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Industry Circles => Salk Signature Sound => Topic started by: jazzcat1 on 22 Jul 2009, 01:25 pm
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Ordered them yesterday and using Figured Red Gum Veneer and going in the dedicated 2 channel listening room.
http://www.certainlywood.com/detail.cfm?ID=2674 (http://www.certainlywood.com/detail.cfm?ID=2674)
Will be placing them as close to the Cardas diagram A as possible initially. Going to start researching room treatments on the GIK website.
They will be paired with a PS Audio PCA 2 and a Denon DVD3930CI completely modded by Matthew at sacdmods. com, including XLR balanced stereo outs. Jury is still out on the amp choice.
I need to get busy! :D
Mark
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jazzcat1,
Great to see that you've been sucked in to the Salk family. Congrats. You really picked out some great wood. I bet Jim's going to build some beauties out of that!
As far as amps go, I believe Audio by Van Alstine has new stuff coming out soon and you've now got a good two months or so to wait for reviews, and several other HT2-TL owners have been happy with AVA gear.
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jazzcat,
That's great news! I think you made the correct choice going with HT2-TL, coming from a guy with ST RTs. If you went with the STs you would always wonder what if, that is until you upgrade. If you are considering building your own room treatments let me know, I just completed a set of my own. We will all be here to support you as you wait.
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Alright jazzcat! :thumb: Welcome aboard.
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Congrats.
Everytime I listen to mine I really enjoy myself, I hope you will as well.
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VERY pretty veneer. :thumb:
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Very nice, Mark. You won't be disappointed, that's for sure !
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Mark,
Congrats and welcome to the family! Great choice of veneer, by the way; gonna look spectacular after Jim puts his touch on it. :thumb:
I agree with the Van Alstine amp recommendations, and will also add the following manufacturers:
Parasound (A21)
McCormack
Wyred4Sound
ATI
Audio Research
Ayre
Rogue Audio
I look forward to your completion date!
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You're really going to like them. Congratulations!!
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Thanks for the warm welcome everyone! I have some work to do to pass the time. going to add a 20 amp dedicated circuit or 2 and get a rack so everything will be set-up so all I will have to do is plug in the HT2's.
Should I hold off doing any room treatments until everything is in place? K Shep, do you have any pics of your treatments? Not sure if I have the time to do any myself but will consider that.
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Thanks for the warm welcome everyone! I have some work to do to pass the time. going to add a 20 amp dedicated circuit or 2 and get a rack so everything will be set-up so all I will have to do is plug in the HT2's.
Should I hold off doing any room treatments until everything is in place? K Shep, do you have any pics of your treatments? Not sure if I have the time to do any myself but will consider that.
Jazzcat1, come join us over at this thread and you can see what others are doing while they wait.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=68360.0
If you go up to K Sheps's post you'll see a small link called "gallery". Click on that and it will take you to a large thumbnail picture. Click on that picture and you will get to see all of K Shep's pics. He has a neat setup!
No reason to wait on the room treatments IMO.
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K Shep, do you have any pics of your treatments? Not sure if I have the time to do any myself but will consider that.
Jazz,
I just sent you a PM.
Kirk
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Should I hold off doing any room treatments until everything is in place? K Shep, do you have any pics of your treatments?
There are some essential room treatments, such as tri-corner absorption, and other treatments, based upon your room, that you will probably want. If you are DIY'ing them, you can get started. You won't know exactly (if ever) what you will want until your speakers are placed, etc. But you can plan out tri-corner treatment, finalize the panel/whatever design, purchase the materials, etc. OC703 is priced better wholesale in larger quantities.
There is good info on the Acoustics Circle.
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Kirk, you have mail.
Great thread link vintagebob and I love the title :lol: I will have to hang there some too.
I will mosey over to the Acoustics Circle and check that out.
Room info: Placements are just preliminary.
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Kirk, you have mail.
Great thread link vintagebob and I love the title :lol: I will have to hang there some too.
I will mosey over to the Acoustics Circle and check that out.
Room info: Placements are just preliminary.
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Not knowing your room, but knowing your speakers and having a slightly larger room, I think that you might consider bringing the speakers out another 12" (the speakers are 17" deep; and having the baffles 36" away from the front wall leaves only 19" behind the speakers), moving them away from the side walls another 6", and moving your chair forward another 6", making your triangle 84" (you don't want to sit any closer than 78"-84", and you might need to toe-in the speakers a slight amount).
You will need tri-corner absorption, and lots of it, and absorption (and/or diffusion) behind your chair, behind your speakers, and at the first reflection points on the side walls and ceiling. I think with a 12'X14' room, you will need a lot of broadband absorption/bass traps. I believe 6" or thicker panels and/or bass traps would be best. If you DIY, the cost difference between the different thickness panels is not very much.
I already have (14) 6" panels, (4) 4" panels, and (4) 2" panels, and I am going to add another (8 ) 6" panels to tame the bass even more. It's not the speakers, it is my room. If the room were larger, there wouldn't be anywhere near as much of a problem (it isn't a big problem; I just keep trying to reduce any boom, but my system sounds great). When you get set up, Ethan has a link to a pink noise file on the Acoustic Circle. When you play the pink noise through your system, you can hear exactly where the boom comes from. Rigid fiberglass is your friend. :D
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Hi Jazzcat1,
I have a ps audio hca 2 that I use on and off in my system. In its stock form it is a reasonable sounding amplifier. I found that the bass performance was a bit lacking and as a consequence the amp did not sound balanced i.e. it sounded like the amp had been designed from the top down.
I have had it extensively modified and it responds very well becoming a much better sounding amplifier. If you are handy with a soldering iron adding 3 blackgate gates in the sound path greatly improves its performance.
As an alternative Cullen Circuits offers a $500US modification to this amplifier that I'm sure would be an excellent modification.
I have the non tl ht2's and they are a fine sounding pair of speakers. Enjoy 8).
Regards
Rod
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Jazzcat1- congratz on the decision. Very hard to make a bad one when ordering from Jim, but making up your mind about which model and what veneer to get deserves a congratulations!
:o That Red Gum is going to look incredible. When bookmatched, you are going to get some very cool effects with that veneer. Some arrow shapes pop into my head... or if you don't mirror them you could get some patterns that look more like lightning with the sap-wood. Either way they are going to be exceptional. Great choice on the veneer. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Can't wait to see the end result. :D
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Thanks, funkymonkey, Jim is going to do bookmatched (right, Jim? :wink: I think they will really stand out.
Been researching treatments thanks to all the advice I am getting from you folks. Bass traps and absorption panels are my first priority. I still am learing about diffusers and where to place them. Maybe I won't need them at all?? I can't use tri-traps in the back of the room as there is an entry door and a bathroom door in each corner there. I can hang panels on the doors though. Guess that's my only option there.
Should I do bass traps along the whole back wall behind the listening seat?
For the front wall, panels behind speakers and tri traps in the corners?
The OC703 is 2" thick so do you just use multiple sheets to achieve 6" thickness?
Off to lurk in the Acoustics Circle!
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I would like to make two suggestions.
First, please investigate the Real Traps line of products. I will wholeheartedly agree with oneinthepipe, in that size of a room you might need substantial amounts of absorption.
Second, also consider experimenting with long wall placement of the HT2's. It works beautifully here with my HT2-TL's in a similar (13x17) sized room. If this setup works well in your room, it can afford you a much wider sound stage. Think panoramic 16:9 versus 4:3.
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Second, also consider experimenting with long wall placement of the HT2's. It works beautifully here with my HT2-TL's in a similar (13x17) sized room. If this setup works well in your room it affords you a much wider sound stage. Think panoramic 16:9 versus 4:3.
Ok, if I do a long placement and bring the speakers farther away from the front wall as oneinthepipe suggested, I think I will be right against the back wall with the chair which is not optimal. I don't know if 12 feet is enough to work with. How far away from the rear wall is your seating position?
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Second, also consider experimenting with long wall placement of the HT2's. It works beautifully here with my HT2-TL's in a similar (13x17) sized room. If this setup works well in your room it affords you a much wider sound stage. Think panoramic 16:9 versus 4:3.
Ok, if I do a long placement and bring the speakers farther away from the front wall as oneinthepipe suggested, I think I will be right against the back wall with the chair which is not optimal. I don't know if 12 feet is enough to work with. How far away from the rear wall is your seating position?
Yes, you will be right up against the back wall. And who can claim to have solid evidence and irrefutable proof that being up against the wall is not optimal?
If you care to PM with your details I'd be willing to send you a copy of the detailed long wall setup instructions that Audio Physic sent me many moons ago. Much more detailed than what Audio Physic has up on their site now.
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Been researching treatments thanks to all the advice I am getting from you folks. Bass traps and absorption panels are my first priority. I still am learing about diffusers and where to place them. Maybe I won't need them at all?? I can't use tri-traps in the back of the room as there is an entry door and a bathroom door in each corner there. I can hang panels on the doors though. Guess that's my only option there.
Should I do bass traps along the whole back wall behind the listening seat?
For the front wall, panels behind speakers and tri traps in the corners?
The OC703 is 2" thick so do you just use multiple sheets to achieve 6" thickness?
Off to lurk in the Acoustics Circle!
OC703 comes in 1", 2" and 3" thickness. You can use (3) sheets to make 6".
Diffusion is more costly than absorption panels.
One of the differences between bass traps and broadband absorption panels is whether or not the panel reflects higher frequencies. I would start with broadband absorption. If you later decide that too much higher frequencies are being absorbed, you can place some kraft paper or poly sheets under the fabric on front of the panel.
If money weren't an issue, you would ideally install broadband absorption behind the listening position, bass traps straddling the tri-corners floor to ceiling or, if not possible, on the outsides of the back wall, and diffusion panels between the broadband panels and bass traps or the diffusion panels behind you and the absorption panels elsewhere. In your small room, however, I think that you are going to want a lot of low end absorption.
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Second, also consider experimenting with long wall placement of the HT2's. It works beautifully here with my HT2-TL's in a similar (13x17) sized room. If this setup works well in your room it affords you a much wider sound stage. Think panoramic 16:9 versus 4:3.
Ok, if I do a long placement and bring the speakers farther away from the front wall as oneinthepipe suggested, I think I will be right against the back wall with the chair which is not optimal. I don't know if 12 feet is enough to work with. How far away from the rear wall is your seating position?
You're right, it's not optimal. It will probably cause some major bass peaks which will smear the midrange. Only listening sessions and measurements will tell, though. Who knows - maybe it will sound great, but you won't know unless you try. I am guessing it will cause some low frequency issues, though, as it always has in my experience in every room I've had my systems in.
In your small room, however, I think that you are going to want a lot of low end absorption.
Absolutely!
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Seems the general consensus from here and elsewhere that low frequency absorption is a must. I was researching and for low frequencies, the OC705 is a better choice? And also a gap between panel and wall is preferred for low frequencies. Would it be one step better to to have a 2" panel then a 2" X 2" skeleton frame attached to the back perimeter then put on another panel then another 2" X 2" skeleton frame then attach to the wall? That would effectively give 2 separate air gaps 1 1/2" each.
Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and should just make a 4" or 6" panel out of 705? :duh:
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Seems the general consensus from here and elsewhere that low frequency absorption is a must. I was researching and for low frequencies, the OC705 is a better choice? And also a gap between panel and wall is preferred for low frequencies. Would it be one step better to to have a 2" panel then a 2" X 2" skeleton frame attached to the back perimeter then put on another panel then another 2" X 2" skeleton frame then attach to the wall? That would effectively give 2 separate air gaps 1 1/2" each.
Or am I trying to re-invent the wheel and should just make a 4" or 6" panel out of 705? :duh:
jazzcat, drop the guys at gik acoustics a line. i think you may be splitting hairs worrying about too much. especially given the excellent diagram, brian will be able to give you a no-nonsense analysis of your room and recommend a straightforward solution.
often i think audiophiles worry about the acoustics of the room being good for one speaker and bad for another...personal experience has led me to believe that a good room will make all speakers in it sound better, and a bad room will make them sound worse. 95% of treatment is universally beneficial regardless of the speakers.
from a quick look, i'm going to guess he's going to recommend a couple of the tri-traps and a few 242 panels. the good part about gik is they work well, look great, and don't cost an arm and a leg.
enjoy!
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jazzcat, drop the guys at gik acoustics a line. i think you may be splitting hairs worrying about too much. especially given the excellent diagram, brian will be able to give you a no-nonsense analysis of your room and recommend a straightforward solution.
often i think audiophiles worry about the acoustics of the room being good for one speaker and bad for another...personal experience has led me to believe that a good room will make all speakers in it sound better, and a bad room will make them sound worse. 95% of treatment is universally beneficial regardless of the speakers.
from a quick look, i'm going to guess he's going to recommend a couple of the tri-traps and a few 242 panels. the good part about gik is they work well, look great, and don't cost an arm and a leg.
enjoy!
I will email GIK tonight after I take some pics I can send. I don't have a 90* angle where walls meets ceiling. Sheetrock goes up at a 45* angle from the wall for about 2 feet then flattens out. That may actually be a good thing as far as treatments go. I'll send all I can to Brian. Their product seems to be reasonably priced and I could always make additional panels if needed.
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Another vote for Gik. Their products are fantastic and people seem to love Brian (never spoke with him, so I cannot comment). I used to have two pairs of their absorption panels before we moved into a place that was too small for them. I highly recommend them.
As far as the bass, the thicker the better. Unless you put an EQ in your system anything under 100Hz is going to be extremely hard to tame, even with treatments...hence the thicket the better statement. :)
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Well, about 2,000 staples later I used all the material I had. 703 for absorption and 705 for bass traps. It was interesting how each time I brought a pair of finished panels in the room and leaned them against the wall how that empty room sounded better and better. Echoes are very subdued now with them just sitting on the floor :)
The Tri-Traps I got from GIK really look good in the front corners.
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That looks like a listening room!!!
Don't forget to put a few of those on the ceiling. :D
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the mintute I saw your room schematic - I too was thinking like nyc paramedic to go long wall
you get less sidewall reflection / constraint
your head near the back wall actually lowers the backwall first arrival smear to near inperceptable
you could use a diffuser behind your couch if you like
I use the cardas nearfield setup in a 27 by 14.5 room
with my ht3's - they are nearly 3 feet into the room
long wall - 8 feet each side
I wish I had 5 more feet in depth but it sounds great
my den is 18 by 19 with home theatre 5.1
salk v3's and monster center up front
check the room for slap echo
clap your hands loud and listen for an echo
try with and without the panels
they probably will tame it if your room was lively before
enjoy and welcome to the club
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nyc paramedic sent me an article on long wall placement. I can go either way and will probably mess with that this weekend using my home theater fronts, which aren't too shabby in their own right. The only issue I have is there will be a 5 foot square window right at the first reflection point. On short wall placement the window is behind the equipment rack.
When the room was empty the slap echo was quite noticeable (that is an understatement!) but now it is pretty non-existant. Just talking in there is totally different than conversation outside that room. Night and day difference.
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Ok, getting there! Got the player, pre and amp in place, been using my HT speakers to check out acoustics. Had to make some $1.89 speaker stands for them :lol:
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jazzcat1:
Yes, yes, yes. That is going to work out very well. Your HT2-TL will sing in that room.
Does the panel behind the rack effect the sound very much? I wonder if the rack doesn't reflect much of the sound that the panel would absorb.
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jazzcat1:
Yes, yes, yes. That is going to work out very well. Your HT2-TL will sing in that room.
Does the panel behind the rack effect the sound very much? I wonder if the rack doesn't reflect much of the sound that the panel would absorb.
I hope they will sing! The MTM speakers there now lack any real bass. That panel behind the rack is a spare. I just put it there to get it out of the way for now. It's not doing much at all, acoustically speaking.
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Nice setup jazzcat! I love the fish eye pictures. ; )
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Now we're talking baby! That looks great, jazzcat. ;)
I can't wait till your speakers get installed in that room. You did a great job buddy.
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That panel behind the rack is a spare. I just put it there to get it out of the way for now. It's not doing much at all, acoustically speaking.
I think that you would hear some benefit if the spare panel was placed on the ceiling between and forward of the speakers. Otherwise, the spare panel might be helpful on the wall behind your listening position because you probably are still getting reflections from the space between the two other panels.
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^ great advice.
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I will repeat once more my solution from turning a mid size (20 x 16) family room with all the acoustics of a Jr. High lunch room into a very quiet and useful space for listening to music.
I covered all the walls with acoustic wallpaper ($700). The stuff is made of fabric about 1/4' thick and goes on like normal wallpaper. Available in a variety of textures and colors and patterns from wallpaper stores. Then I did the ceiling in the lowest cost 1" thick Sonex foam tiles (another $700).
Oh yes, thick carpet over a heavy pad on a concrete floor finished the job.
Now the room is quiet, dead, and you can hear what the system is doing without much in the way of nasty early reflections. It works, it is easy, does not cost all that much, and has a high wife factor.
Regards,
Frank Van Alstine
Anyone else ever try this, or is it too simple. I have done it to two different listening rooms now with excellent results in both cases.
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I knew about your room treatments, Frank, but I tried a different approach because my room is smaller, and based upon my understanding, thicker treatments are needed to absorb low frequencies. I have (22) absorption panels, and (14) are 6" thick OC 703. Even with the absorption, I have a bump @ 45hz. I think that I will install an additional (12) 6" thick panels once I find a way to sneak them into the house and install them without my wife noticing.
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Great looking setup Jazz. I remember exchanging email with you like it was yesterday. Wow all the hardwork has paid off. I just looked through the thread and did see what you decided to do aobut an amp. Is that a Parasound Halo amp?
Kirk
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Thanks Kirk. You inspired me to build my own panels. It was fun and saved me well over $1,000. Also, you have a good eye! That is indeed a Parasound Halo A21 I got off Audiogon for less than half price of a new one. I had quite an amp ordeal. Starting a dedicated 2 channel listening room from scratch was pushing my budget. I did a lot of research and thought the Emotiva XPA-2 would do a decent job especially because it was on sale for $699. Tried it but had a terrible hiss from both tweeters I could clearly hear from the listening position. Not acceptable!
Lugged my home theater Earthquake Cinenova Grande up there and it was much better but I wasn't going to waste a multi channel amp for that room. Took a chance on the Halo and it turned out to be wonderful. I am happy with this setup for now. Total XLR balanced connections from the modded Denon DVD3930CI to the pre to the amp.
oneinthepipe, I have a supply vent and a ceiling fan (custom diffusor) :D in the way on the ceiling. So that is not an option.
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Thats great Jazz. Hopefully people will follow this thread and contact you for advise on how to build panels and on down the road. I hope you spent the money you saved from the dyi panels on your A21 amp. That is my favorite amp too. :wink: Excellent job on your room!
Kirk
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Scheduled to arrive at our warehouse dock on Friday :thumb:
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Nice! :thumb:
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Wow! Those are nice!
BTW, they'll sound even better than they look.
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Wow, those look great! Nice choice on veneer and stain. I can't wait to get you listening impressions!
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Beautiful finish. The silver spikes look very good with that veneer. Looking forward to your listening report.
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Those look amazing, great choice of veneers! Looking forward to your impressions on the HT2 TL's. We are thrilled with ours.
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Wow, those do look pretty fabulous! Congrats... I suspect you're going to be having a great weekend! aa
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Wow, those do look pretty fabulous! Congrats... I suspect you're going to be having a great weekend! aa
Wife said she may go to the spa or something this weekend as I will not be available :lol:
Left and right channel banana jacks with speaker wire connected lying on the floor waiting to be plugged in! Just got to get them up the stairs :o
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You are really going to like those speakers. One two day weekend won't be enough. I know that I keep getting excited about my set of HT2-TL's everytime I listen to them for the past four months. Changed around the living room and purchased a new amp as a result.
Enjoy and congratulations!!!
Joel
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Scheduled to arrive at our warehouse dock on Friday :thumb:
Well? :D
I think your veneers are gorgeous. Post some pics!!!
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Ok, here we go. Had to post that obligatory FedEx photo first! There were some decent gouges on the boxes but when I stuck my finger in, all I could feel was Styrofoam. As heavy as these are (108 lbs each) I expected a few dings here and there. After loading them in the truck and dragging them upstairs, I proceeded to un box them. That was Friday evening and this old man is SORE today! The packing was more than adequate and there was not a mark on them.
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The finish is just gorgeous on these. Got them placed, plugged in the cables, did several adjustments and then came time to give them a listen. Wanted to hear a favorite from the 70's first as it is still a song I enjoy immensely. Traffic?s Low Spark of High Heeled Boys. This is a remastered CD. Wow! Every instrument was so clearly present it was a joy to listen to. I am not going to use the timeless cliches like "I heard things I never heard before" but I'm sure all of you who own these speakers know what I mean. The lows were clean and tight; midrange as well as highs very well defined. The vocals are something to behold!
I wanted to listen to the whole collection but there's plenty of time for that. I listened to CD's SACD's and some DVD-A I burned in 96/24 PCM 2 channel from iTrax and 96/24 FLAC from HDtracks of various artists.
A big surprise was Willie Nelson Stardust 2 channel SACD that I have had around for a while but never really thought of it as being a reference piece. But I didn't have this system paired with the HT2-TL speakers before either! This may be my favorite C/W album so far. The harmonica and Willie's vocals in Georgia on my Mind placed me right there in the studio.
Norah Jones' Come Away With Me was a joy to listen to as well. oneinthepipe , I read your post about how the vocals are so perfectly centered and I couldn't agree more. A lot of speakers accomplish this but not to the extent I have ever heard. My wife was downstairs while this was playing and from down there, she said she was positive that somehow I sneaked Norah in the room!
Other auditions worth noting were Eleanor McEvoy Early Hours SACD, Kim Pensyl Pensyl Sketches CD, Daboa's From the Gekko CD, and all the DVD-A tracks I burned. Jim's sampler CD was great as well. Like I said, I have a lot of listening to do! It is going to be fun.
Another thing that made me take notice was the end of tracks. As they faded to silence I could hear every last note so clearly and concise it was eye opening. Between passages is dead silent as well.
I have a cut from a CD I have from Heart titled Alone that I have used for years to compare systems as I am very familiar with that cut. It did not disappoint! There is a point in the song where there is a LOT going on and the HT2-TL's just presented all the individual instruments/vocals in an unfettered, crystal clear and strain free manner.
Enough for now, all in all for the price, these are some of the most accurate and pleasant speakers to listen to I have heard to date for bass, mids and highs. The vocals are amazing and highs are presented clearly, realistically and not harsh or bright in any way.
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Great write-up, jazzact! And thanks for the pics; always appreciate those. :)
I am very happy the HT2 TL's are living up to your expectations. They sure do look great in your room. Your hard work getting the room ready was worth it.
How close do you sit and how far apart are the speakers?
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Go ahead and rub it in!
Thanks for sharing jazzcat. I'm glad to hear that your speakers arrived in good shape and that you are enjoying them so much. I'm looking forward to the day...
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Nuance, right now they are equidistant, all measurements are at 7'6" (90"). 32" off the side walls and about 3' from the front wall measured from the tweeter center.
vintagebob, your time will come, hopefully reall soon!
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I sneaked Norah in the room!
jazzcat:
Thanks for taking the time for the update. The veneer is gorgeous, and I am delighted that you like your speakers.
Regarding Norah, I have been wanting to do that (sneak Norah in the room) for several years because she has such a beautiful voice. :green:
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Nuance, right now they are equidistant, all measurements are at 7'6" (90"). 32" off the side walls and about 3' from the front wall measured from the tweeter center.
Conratulations! Those beauties look wonderful. I found out moving my speakers around that opening the dimension between the speakers as far as possible made the soundstage grow and added to the separation of the instruments, vocals etc...
Just a thought. I know the formulas and some speakers don't do well too close to the side wall. But my SongTowers and my current speakers sound better close to the side walls in my room. I installed one of my OC 703 panels right next to the speaker location.
Kirk
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The finish is just gorgeous on these.
No kidding!!!!! Nice! :thumb:
Got them placed, plugged in the cables, did several adjustments and then came time to give them a listen. Wanted to hear a favorite from the 70's first as it is still a song I enjoy immensely. Traffic?s Low Spark of High Heeled Boys. This is a remastered CD. Wow! Every instrument was so clearly present it was a joy to listen to. I am not going to use the timeless cliches like "I heard things I never heard before" but I'm sure all of you who own these speakers know what I mean. The lows were clean and tight; midrange as well as highs very well defined. The vocals are something to behold!
Good to know. That's a CD that I haven't thrown on since I got my HT2-TLs. It's now officially on my list of things that are buried in my house that I need to find!
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Nuance, right now they are equidistant, all measurements are at 7'6" (90"). 32" off the side walls and about 3' from the front wall measured from the tweeter center.
vintagebob, your time will come, hopefully reall soon!
Cool cool. Everything looks very good. I'm jealous! :)
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jazzcat,
The "The Official Salk Sound Owner's And Discussion Thread" over at AVS is too quiet and your HT2-TLs are much more photogenic than mine. You should post your pics over there. And link back to this discussion, of course. :) *peer pressure*
Seriously, I'm not sure I would have gotten interested in owning Salks if there wasn't such a dynamic group of posters over there. (Of course, having the local shops, which were selling B&W, PSB, and Paradigm, all go out of business helped my decision, but that's another story...)
-Kevin
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jazzcat,
The "The Official Salk Sound Owner's And Discussion Thread" over at AVS is too quiet and your HT2-TLs are much more photogenic than mine. You should post your pics over there. And link back to this discussion, of course. :) *peer pressure*
Seriously, I'm not sure I would have gotten interested in owning Salks if there wasn't such a dynamic group of posters over there. (Of course, having the local shops, which were selling B&W, PSB, and Paradigm, all go out of business helped my decision, but that's another story...)
-Kevin
Thanks everyone! These things are hard to put down and walk away from :wink:
Hey Kevin, had a bad last week with wife down with the flu. Finally threw something up over at AVS.
Mark
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(http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL858/3101684/22325978/374200864.jpg)
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Wow! :thumb: those look great! Beautiful. Congratz! Nice work again, Jim.
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Anyone compared the HT2-TL to Merlin VSM speakers in terms of sound characteristics? What would be the differences?
I had the older Standard VSMs
and currently considering the HT2-TL with the 14 inch depth, 3/4" enclosurer
Your feedback would be most appreciated
Music Lover
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Both speakers will be at RMAF tomorrow, and so will oneinthepipe. He owns HT2 TL's, so he should be able to give you a useful comparison. I've heard the Merlins, and they're very well designed speakers. The differences may come down to differences in the woofer (Seas metal vs. Scan Speak (I believe) paper, and a high quality dome vs. a high quality ribbon.
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Anyone compared the HT2-TL to Merlin VSM speakers in terms of sound characteristics? What would be the differences?
I had the older Standard VSMs
and currently considering the HT2-TL with the 14 inch depth, 3/4" enclosurer
Your feedback would be most appreciated
Music Lover
Both produce excellent music from the mid-range up.
The Salks will have a lot more punch and weight in the bass area compared to the Merlins.
Personally, I also think the Salks are nicer looking and provide a better value. Of course, that is very subjective and simply my opinion.
George
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Thanks for your responses, more weight and a deeper defined bass response with similar quality midrange and highs are
exactly what I was looking for in a speaker for my 15' X 12' room. The Merlins worked perfect in this room except
that I wanted more bass extension. The HT2-TL might be the perfect speaker I was looking for and will be placing an order
with Salk Sound and Jim soon I hope.
Thanks,Keith