Spatial Audio X4 official review

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Bingenito

Re: Spatial Audio X4 official review
« Reply #20 on: 20 Apr 2022, 01:05 am »
My experience (yours may vary and thats cool) tells me that the source matters most once you get to a good place on power amp and speakers. My DAC is my source and preamp so that is where I invest.

Others have a belief that they can buy into better sound with speakers and skimp on their source and or amp. That has not at all been my experience. So my rational is to put the most coin at process step 1 in the signal path because as good as the speakers are they cannot make up something in step 3 that was lost in steps 1 & 2.

Everyone spend your cash as you wish and so will I :)

rich121

Re: Spatial Audio X4 official review
« Reply #21 on: 20 Apr 2022, 07:41 am »
My experience (yours may vary and thats cool) tells me that the source matters most once you get to a good place on power amp and speakers. My DAC is my source and preamp so that is where I invest.

Others have a belief that they can buy into better sound with speakers and skimp on their source and or amp. That has not at all been my experience. So my rational is to put the most coin at process step 1 in the signal path because as good as the speakers are they cannot make up something in step 3 that was lost in steps 1 & 2.

Everyone spend your cash as you wish and so will I :)

Agree...regardless what the source is, it is the most important link...garbage in, garbage out.

Tangram

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Re: Spatial Audio X4 official review
« Reply #22 on: 20 Apr 2022, 02:41 pm »
My experience (yours may vary and thats cool) tells me that the source matters most once you get to a good place on power amp and speakers. My DAC is my source and preamp so that is where I invest.

Others have a belief that they can buy into better sound with speakers and skimp on their source and or amp. That has not at all been my experience. So my rational is to put the most coin at process step 1 in the signal path because as good as the speakers are they cannot make up something in step 3 that was lost in steps 1 & 2.

Everyone spend your cash as you wish and so will I :)

Cash isn't the only criteria for what works best. My amp is by far the cheapest part of my system and I will be buried with it.

Mr. Big

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Re: Spatial Audio X4 official review
« Reply #23 on: 20 Apr 2022, 04:51 pm »
My experience (yours may vary and thats cool) tells me that the source matters most once you get to a good place on power amp and speakers. My DAC is my source and preamp so that is where I invest.

Others have a belief that they can buy into better sound with speakers and skimp on their source and or amp. That has not at all been my experience. So my rational is to put the most coin at process step 1 in the signal path because as good as the speakers are they cannot make up something in step 3 that was lost in steps 1 & 2.

Everyone spend your cash as you wish and so will I :)
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No one piece makes a good sounding system, look at it as a whole unit that has to work together. A good front end is important but then your preamp takes that signal and passes it on to the amp, then your amp has to be able to drive the speakers and their changing impedances and current needs. Then your room surrounds you and the sound that comes out of the speakers reflects and bounces around your room. Then speaker setup impacts the sound you hear at your seat. A great speaker in a bad room equals poor sound, good speakers in a good room and right room size works better than the more expensive speaker would. So look at your system as a whole being that gives you the total of its pieces, so balance out your quality throughout and fix your room which will be cheaper than changing gear in and out or spending more and more on gear and still not feeling satisfied. 

Bingenito

Re: Spatial Audio X4 official review
« Reply #24 on: 20 Apr 2022, 04:55 pm »
I assume that you are speaking generally since the rest of my system and room is squared away.

My point is that assuming you have everything squared away and you are going to upgrade something, the source matters.

Mr. Big

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Re: Spatial Audio X4 official review
« Reply #25 on: 20 Apr 2022, 06:43 pm »
I assume that you are speaking generally since the rest of my system and room is squared away.

My point is that assuming you have everything squared away and you are going to upgrade something, the source matters.

In general of course. You know a preamp matters it the traffic cop of any system. Impedance matching matters between preamp and amp. Starts at the source and can get screwed up along the way from a poor preamp.
« Last Edit: 20 Apr 2022, 11:35 pm by Mr. Big »

rich121

Re: Spatial Audio X4 official review
« Reply #26 on: 20 Apr 2022, 08:17 pm »
I assume that you are speaking generally since the rest of my system and room is squared away.

My point is that assuming you have everything squared away and you are going to upgrade something, the source matters.

The source is the most important part of the chain...no matter what you put in rest of the system, the performance is dependent on the source.

aniwolfe

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Re: Spatial Audio X4 official review
« Reply #27 on: 20 Apr 2022, 08:29 pm »
@Bingenito

I bet that DAC is going to sound amazing. Source is very important. No doubt. Some people choose to spend money on components differently.

One thing to point out, that gets criticized and overlooked, is the quality of the outlets and powercord coming from the outlet to the source. Curous what you have for that?

Did you happen to try this ($50k?) Dac in your system before committing to it? I am assuming you have, but just curious.

Bingenito

Re: Spatial Audio X4 official review
« Reply #28 on: 20 Apr 2022, 09:00 pm »
Wow you just said that Cables Matter!!! J/K I have furutech outlets and Acoustic Zen Gargantua (power amp) and Krakatoa power cords (everything else including the subs).

As for trying the Reference DAC... Nope. I have lived with the Premier with the Powerbase now for 45 days and it is the single most transformational thing that I have ever done to my system. There is general consensus that the Reference gets your more information and not at the usual expense of brightness. Instead it is smoother, more natural and musical (hybrid DACs, power supplies, analog volume control, etc.). So based on what I am hearing I have zero concerns.

Keep in mind... I'm selling off a Preamp, ICs, Power cable and other gear from a 2nd system. Again to each their own... everyone do you :)

Underlying point here if anyone missed it is that the Spatials are that good.



Bingenito

Re: Spatial Audio X4 official review
« Reply #29 on: 15 May 2022, 11:46 pm »
Quick updates

1- I took the REL subs out and they are for Sale on US Audiomart. Now that the X4s are fully broken in I prefer the sound without subs. I learned a lesson that you can all learn here for free. Yes these speakers sound great out of the box but before you make a big or expensive move make sure that they have over 500hrs on them because now the bass is spectacular.

2- MSB Reference DAC should be only around 2-3 weeks out.

3- I just ordered a pair of Apollon Audio PNC1200 monos with Weiss op amps. My intention is to run them with another pair of speakers but will likely do a shootout on the X4s. Running a Pass X250.8 today and love it.