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Title: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Daedalus Audio on 12 Jul 2013, 03:34 pm
more to come.....



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Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: jonbee on 12 Jul 2013, 04:50 pm
Very nice. Price?
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: R_burke on 12 Jul 2013, 05:43 pm
Looking good, anxious to learn all the details on these  :thumb:
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: dodgealum on 13 Jul 2013, 04:45 pm
Lou:

These look great. A few questions: Hard to tell--is the baffle or back panel angled like your other designs? Also, I think I see a single port located on the front baffle--are you going with a typical bass reflex enclosure here or are these also aperiodic vents but with only one port? How would you say these differ from the DaRMA's design and sonically?

Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Daedalus Audio on 15 Jul 2013, 04:06 am
sorry for being a bit slow on all this, just been too busy getting ready for CAF.

the Pan are a three way monitor, 26" tall that function much like a two way for near field listening.
bass extension is flat down to about 40hz and still very solid at 30hz  almost an all-poly cap design very clean and detailed with a lot of body.
the introductory price is $4600 but that will change in the last half of August, still evaluating what it really costs to build these but it is way more than I had originally hoped, on the other hand it sounds better than I had hoped! :D

will have more pics in a couple of days and info on the site asap

thanks,
lou

Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: figcon on 16 Jul 2013, 03:36 am
You can take a look at the physical layout of the Pan and see how it would work well as a near field monitor. The three driver arrangement seems to approximate a single coherent point source and this looks like a sure fire winner to me for a guy that deserves one. With the bass Lou is getting out of his speakers now and this being a three way, this model should be a slam dunk great value for those of limited listening room volume. I would bet it will sound great in any room of reasonable size with just about any high quality amp available today. Beautiful!!
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Jonathon Janusz on 16 Jul 2013, 11:51 pm
Lou, I thought if you have time to answer, I would write a note asking if you could briefly compare Pan to Athena?  Thanks and have a great CAF!
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Daedalus Audio on 17 Jul 2013, 03:42 am
Lou, I thought if you have time to answer, I would write a note asking if you could briefly compare Pan to Athena?  Thanks and have a great CAF!
I knew that would come up  :)  how about I answer that after that show? I'm sure there will be comments that will address that.

thanks,
lou

Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Daedalus Audio on 17 Jul 2013, 03:44 am
here's a pair in maple that shipped today.


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Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: vortrex on 20 Jul 2013, 12:48 am
I got mine yesterday...

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Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: jonbee on 20 Jul 2013, 02:14 am
Very sweet! Lou's cabinets are heirloom quality, and combined with their sound quality make them audiophile candy of the highest order.
Enjoy!
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Berto on 20 Jul 2013, 02:24 am
Vortrex those are beautiful, luv the contrast in woods. I love Lous work :thumb:

What stands do you plan to use?  I'm sure they will need some time, but let us know how they sound after they break in. Enjoy!
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: dB Cooper on 20 Jul 2013, 02:34 am
Looking forward to hearing these at CAF. You had one of the better rooms last year btw.
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: vortrex on 20 Jul 2013, 02:37 am
Vortrex those are beautiful, luv the contrast in woods. I love Lous work :thumb:

What stands do you plan to use?  I'm sure they will need some time, but let us know how they sound after they break in. Enjoy!

Lou teamed up with Skylan to make stands for these.  the top plate is the same dimension as the cabinet.  I've got a pair of those on order.  it seems like they will be here in a week.
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Part-Time Audiophile on 21 Jul 2013, 02:36 am
Looks fantastic!
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: shahed on 21 Jul 2013, 02:43 am
Beautiful pair! Will the BOW subwoofer be a natural pairing with these babies?
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Daedalus Audio on 21 Jul 2013, 02:52 am
thanks guys, yes the BOW mates well with all my systems and is a perfect match for the Pan.

thanks,
lou

Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: stereodad on 29 Jul 2013, 09:59 pm
Hoping for feedback on the Pan if anybody fells up to it.

Thanks Larry
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: dB Cooper on 29 Jul 2013, 10:14 pm
They sounded great and would be on my 'bang for the buck' list. Very well voiced without any particular range jumping out at you. Many of the multi-driver systems (including some of the really expensive ones) had audible driver blending faults. Not these, and I listened to them at fairly close range. Now Daedalus needs to get to work on a nice mini monitor  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Scottdazzle on 29 Jul 2013, 10:17 pm
The Daedalus Pan speakers from the show are now at my house.  Anyone within driving distance of northern Virginia who wants to hear them can send me a pm.  :thumb:
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Daedalus Audio on 30 Jul 2013, 07:48 pm
The Daedalus Pan speakers from the show are now at my house.  Anyone within driving distance of northern Virginia who wants to hear them can send me a pm.  :thumb:
I'll let others comment on the Pan at CAF but on monday I helped Scott get these in his listening room, (which is a very nice room btw) and the first thing we heard was more bass extension and a more even bass than at the show.  both rooms were about the same size but we had a 50hz null and 80hz peak at the show which we couldn't totally fix.  anyone in the area who liked these at the show should see if they can hear them at Scott's place.

thanks,
lou

Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Daedalus Audio on 1 Aug 2013, 03:51 am
 a heads up,  we will hold the pre-production price of $4600 until August 15.

upon reviewing the actual build costs, the final price will be $5800 with an introductory discount of 10%

thanks,
lou



Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: genjamon on 4 Aug 2013, 01:46 pm
I'll let others comment on the Pan at CAF but on monday I helped Scott get these in his listening room, (which is a very nice room btw) and the first thing we heard was more bass extension and a more even bass than at the show.  both rooms were about the same size but we had a 50hz null and 80hz peak at the show which we couldn't totally fix.  anyone in the area who liked these at the show should see if they can hear them at Scott's place.

thanks,
lou

So what is the frequency response on these?

Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Phil A on 4 Aug 2013, 02:18 pm
So what is the frequency response on these?

If I get over to Scott's place, I can always bring over the 1/3 Octave RTA and give a perspective on the readout from the listening position in a real world room.
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Jonathon Janusz on 4 Aug 2013, 03:59 pm
Just bumping this up as I'm interested to hear impressions on these, as well as any insights comparing them to the Athenas.  Am I remembering correctly that Scott has a pair of Athenas?  Maybe a good opportunity for a direct comparison?  I'm curious to learn how the configuration of the same drivers between them changes the speaker.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Scottdazzle on 4 Aug 2013, 05:12 pm
Just bumping this up as I'm interested to hear impressions on these, as well as any insights comparing them to the Athenas.  Am I remembering correctly that Scott has a pair of Athenas?  Maybe a good opportunity for a direct comparison?  I'm curious to learn how the configuration of the same drivers between them changes the speaker.

Thanks again!


Yes, I have a pair of Athenas. Lou has them for the crossover upgrade right now. I am using the Pans from the CAF until I get the Athenas back. I will have a very narrow window of a few days when I will have both pairs, then the Pans are going out for a review. Anyone can send me a pm to arrange an audition  :thumb:
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: beaglebump on 4 Aug 2013, 08:02 pm
Would also be interested in your A/B of the Athena and the Pan, Scott.  My Athenas are also with Lou right now for the upgrades.  Apples vs oranges here, but curious all the same. 
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Daedalus Audio on 6 Aug 2013, 03:56 pm
even though they share the same drivers, the Athena and the Pan are very different designs. the Pan have exceeded my design expectations and not only work very well as a point source but also have excellent imaging and a cohesive natural presentation. the tonality is similar to the original DA-1.
the AThena in comparison give a larger stage, more extended bass and greater clarity... and they should as they cost twice as much. the next question may be, is the Athena 'twice' the speaker? I don't know as I think that becomes subjective.  there are some who will prefer the sound of the Pan and others who will feel the Athena is a big step up. as far as budget and application needs, they are very different.

hope this helps?

thanks,
lou


Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Daedalus Audio on 26 Sep 2013, 04:05 am
new wood stands for the Pan.  we can do these in matching wood and even ebonized walnut for a more 'modern' look.
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Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: roadkingraw on 26 Sep 2013, 05:01 pm
Those look fantastic Lou!  Great job!
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Daedalus Audio on 27 Sep 2013, 02:34 am
the stands are  made so they can be disassembled and the legs can be set at an angle or straight.

the one on the left is at an angle and the right is straight. you can be creative ; )
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Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: roadkingraw on 27 Sep 2013, 03:41 pm
Love the look of Maple!
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: aldcoll on 22 Dec 2013, 10:04 pm
Well I just got my pair of Pan's home this week.   As I am much more a novice at the whole audio world then most of the people reading this I will be brief and to the point.  I and Sweet Sue auditioned the Athena at Lou's shop listening room.  The units he had on hand were somebody's upgrade ( many thanks).  I had spent a few weeks at local audio stores listening to Dyna Audio, B&W etc and had set a price point.  I had also heard some thing I really liked at double my price point.  So after a nice long drive I met Lou and got the nickle tour.  He handed me the remotes and said go at it.  And I decided the Pan will be my next speaker.  After listening to some Boston's for the last 20+ years I am so delighted and all the neighbors agree.  Sweet Sue put her nature mediation CD on and all the critters for blocks appeared in the back yard.  We don't have a listening room and so a lot of the listening is off axis and better then I would have thought.  Just as a diamond the color and clarity are great.  I still need to do some upgrading on the rest of the parts.  NAD 7400 receiver, generic CD and a Squeeze Box 2 ( First time I came across on was at Lou's) and all will be upgraded as time and $ allow.  I am located in the Willamette Valley of Oregon and if anybody wants a listen drop by.  Buy LOCAL. Or Washington's close enough!  Thanks Lou  P.S. Santa Claus has been good.  I see some matching bases in our future.
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: jonbee on 31 Dec 2013, 05:10 pm
Well I just got my pair of Pan's home this week. Sweet Sue put her nature mediation CD on and all the critters for blocks appeared in the back yard.  We don't have a listening room and so a lot of the listening is off axis and better then I would have thought.  Just as a diamond the color and clarity are great. 
Lou's speakers have an ease and naturalness that is very rare. It is hard for me to stay in my critical listening mode with them; after a minute or two I always get distracted by... uh... the lure of the music itself! What a concept! Works even on old and not so great recordings, the radio, TV shows, you name it.
Maybe the cure for audio nervosa?
Anyway, enjoy the Pan's. You may well find you have arrived at the end of your speaker road.
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: mmcentyre on 13 Jan 2014, 03:52 am
I'm also a Pan early adopter, and since I've learned a lot by reading these posts, I think I'll give back even before my speakers have fully broken in.  First, I agree with some comments from others that prior to break in, the speakers sound "uninvolving" and "unremarkable."  On the plus side, they did nothing offensive either, which was a good sign.  The soundstage was recessed behind the speakers and they sounded dull.  I was worried, and even more worried as I approached 40 hours of periodic playing.  I don't have the liberty of playing them continuously since they're in my living room.

Not sure what happened or when exactly, but sometime after 50 hours the stage moved more forward and instead of the 20th row in the theatre, I'm now in the 2nd.  Utterly gorgeous, musical and pleasing.  No listener fatigue, good detail, the best tonality with piano and guitar I've personally heard (the speakers had the tone/timbre from day one but didn't feel alive).  I realize this post could go over in the break-in topic, but thought it important for future Pan owners.  The analogy I kept thinking was a race horse being held back by the jockey.  Can't wait to hear everything after another 50.
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Daedalus Audio on 15 Jan 2014, 03:30 am
yes for some reason the break in on the Pan is really crucial. I finished up a set last thursday and let them run in over the weekend, with exactly the same results as mmcentyre.

I have found that the first real 'hump' is at 100 hours, that is the point where all the wire and connections etc. settle down, next is about 200-250 hours when the drivers relax, then at 400 or so hours when all the caps break in, and finally after a couple more months (of normal playing time) they become very musical. It does seem to vary with different systems but rest assured they will keep getting better for quite awhile. 

I had one person who found a used pair of Ulysses which had never been completely broken in and he ran a break in disc at decent volume out of phase with a blanket over them for 250 hours!
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Daedalus Audio on 15 Jan 2014, 03:35 am

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new pair of Pan in walnut


Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: dB Cooper on 15 Jan 2014, 03:42 am

I am using the Pans from the CAF until I get the Athenas back.dition  :thumb:
I heard that exact pair there… They were impressive (one of the few multiway systems I liked, actually). Curious if you know how much run time they had before the show.
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Daedalus Audio on 15 Jan 2014, 03:57 am
I heard that exact pair there… They were impressive (one of the few multiway systems I liked, actually). Curious if you know how much run time they had before the show.

thanks! I think they had about 200 hours before the show (CAF). 
From now on both Dan and I are really trying to set aside gear for shows that will have months of playing time.  often the amps only have a week or two and like my speakers his KWA 150 SE amp needs months to sound its best. from now on we will be making sure that all the gear has had extra time, (at least we will do our best).
It really can be a challenge for a company to do this and it is surprising how many companies just don't even care.... :scratch:
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: dB Cooper on 15 Jan 2014, 04:42 am
Thanks for the reply. Your room the year before was also one of the better sounding rooms at that show, in spite of the fact that the room they (Athenas IIRC) were in was a little small for them imho. Some people just build good sounding equipment….
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Daedalus Audio on 14 Feb 2014, 05:01 am
We will be adding two new models, both based on the Pan.
One will be a version of the Pan that is 32" tall, what you could call a compact floor standing system.
The other which we may call "Muse" will be the same height as the Athena with a rear port and sloping face (angled up). 
These should fill a couple of niches...  will post more info and pics when possible.
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: mresseguie on 14 Feb 2014, 01:24 pm
 :thumb:

Oh, good! I look forward to the new Pan-like speaker info/pics.

A fellow who lives not far from my home has offered to let me hear his Pans next month. I'm excited to hear them.
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: shahed on 14 Feb 2014, 03:40 pm
We will be adding two new models, both based on the Pan.
One will be a version of the Pan that is 32" tall, what you could call a compact floor standing system.
The other which we may call "Muse" will be the same height as the Athena with a rear port and sloping face (angled up). 
These should fill a couple of niches...  will post more info and pics when possible.

Please provide some more details. The timing couldn't be more right. I'm moving to a smaller space and my Ulysses have to find a new home. So new Daedalus models (which could be suitable for a smaller room) is really awesome news.  :D

Can you describe the difference/similarity between Muse vs Athena? Frequency response ? Pinpoint imaging or wider sweet spot? When will the start shipping and most importantly the price bucket for the new two models?
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Daedalus Audio on 15 Feb 2014, 08:08 pm
The model that is based on the Pan with a cabinet like the Athena is tentatively called 'Muse'  (comments on the name are welcome).

This model is 38" tall with a rear firing port, and upward facing angle. The crossover and driver orientation will be identical to the Pan so it will be suitable for small and large rooms with the strengths of the Pan. The internal cabinet shape and volume is based on the Athena and will have the bass extension and clarity of that model. The 'Muse' will come with 1/4-20 threaded inserts installed in the bottom for either spikes or outriggers.
The face of the cabinet will look like the Pan (only taller) and will not have the sculpting of the Athena, that coupled with a simpler and much less expensive crossover than the Athena allows us to keep the price down.

the pricing on the Pan is $5200 (introductory) plus $550 stands

the Muse is $6450 (introductory)
Title: Re: New Model .. Pan
Post by: Daedalus Audio on 15 Feb 2014, 08:29 pm
I was inspired to do the 32" tall model when building a custom pair for my friend David Webber (of Webber Guitars). He and his wife obviously love music and wanted something unobtrusive that would be clear and musical, a speaker that would bring music into their home and lifestyle and not bring attention to itself. My first thought was the Pan but I wanted a bit more bass and something that would not require a stand, so this model... 32" tall front firing vent so it can be placed near the wall and a upward sloping baffle.

This is definitely a niche speaker, either the stand mount Pan or the Muse would be the first choice for most but there are situations where the room/house decor and lifestyle will dictate a smaller floor standing speaker and this is that system.

here is a photo with the first coat of oil... btw this is a very special pair made of largely instrument grade walnut. (the cost of the wood is as almost much as the speaker system!)

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