[DaveC113]

"I have already posted my opinion on single drivers. I love them but they aren't the final and best solution for everyone. I for one want the dynamics and slam offered by speakers with large woofers, and the closest it can come to the cohesiveness of a single driver the better. "

I'm curious to hear what thoughts you have on single driver speakers supported by either one or two subwoofers. Would a couple subs supply the dynamics and slam you crave?

No, you need more midbass too... Louis is doing this with the 1.5 way and the speed 12 driver.

Subs are a requirement if you want to cover the 20-40 Hz region, some like subs, others can do without. I would not be without a sub and it's not hard to get a sealed sub to blend with Omega speakers when you use a low crossover point.

[mresseguie]

Dave,

Thanks. I've got a Rythmik F12G (GR Research paper driver) sub ordered--ought to arrive in a month or so. It can be set to play up to 100 Hz quite easily. It'll be interesting to see how it matches my current speakers.

If I like the sub as much as I anticipate, I may buy two double eights later down the road.

Michael

[Guy 13]

Dave,

Thanks. I've got a Rythmik F12G (GR Research paper driver) sub ordered--ought to arrive in a month or so. It can be set to play up to 100 Hz quite easily. It'll be interesting to see how it matches my current speakers.

If I like the sub as much as I anticipate, I may buy two double eights later down the road.

Michael

Hi Michael.
It's too bad I live on planet Vietnam,
because if I was living in the United States of American
I could have made you a good deal on my two (02) yes, two GR Research F12G
with no more than 25 short hours on them.
Well, if you move to Taiwan and I am still on planet Vietnam,
maybe I could extend my offer.
The only problem is the weight, they are built like a tank
and you will understand better what I mean when you will unpack them
and move them to their resting place.
It's not that I don't like them,
it's because I prefer the Open Baffle Dipole of mine.
It's like: Why you prefer a Ford over a GM ?

Guy 13
 

[DaveC113]

Michael, those are very nice subs, I have heard 3 of them setup in a room which made for some great bass. With proper setup you can cross them over pretty high, but then you'd be overlapping too much with the Omegas... I have my sub crossed over around 45 Hz which allows me to run the Omegas full range and start augmenting them where the Omegas naturally roll off. One other option would be to block the port which would start them rolling off closer to 150 Hz and I do think you could get those subs to play up that high, but it might be best to place them near them speakers and run them stereo. That would get you more midbass dynamics and would be worth trying. I am planning on building a bass bin using a 15" driver than can run from 20-2 KHz, but crossing them over below the critical midrange region, so around 800 Hz. This will obviously be a 2-way speaker at that point though.

Finally, Louis offers the Speed 12 driver in it's own enclosure and running them with the Omegas would obviously be a great choice as Louis intends for them to be run together, then you could still use the sub crossed over very low. IMO this would probably be the ideal setup to cover the entire frequency spectrum with plenty of dynamics and impact. I'm pretty sure the Speed 12/RS5 driver combo will be made into a complete speaker in the "Outlaw" series eventually, if that's something you're interested in calling and talking to Louis would probably be your best bet. I personally think a Speed12/RS5 outlaw speaker will be amazing.

[JLM]

Louis/Omega owes you NOTHING. Be grateful for what is on offer. If you don't like it, there's the door.

Now that's mean-spirited.     Where did that come from?

[Good Times]

Well you've rattled off a dozen or so complaints about Omega, and I'm just thinking your time may be better spent on other sections of the forum if you're so disappointed with their latest offerings.

[mresseguie]

Guy13,

Is there a GUY12 floating around somewhere? 

That's not a bad idea, ya know? Shipping from Vietnam to Taiwan can't be too horribly expensive seeing as how the two countries are more or less in the same neck of the woods. This is worth looking into. Big point: I do not yet have a HiFi system in my (part-time) home in Taiwan. I'm trying to determine if I will ship some things (speakers, DAC, headphones) over there, or if I will buy everything there. Domestically manufactured HiFi equipment is pretty cheap in Taiwan. I was shocked to learn how little I could buy new Usher Speakers for so long as they are delivered to my home in Taiwan. That is very tempting.

I'll keep your idea in mind once I figure out just what I'm going to equip my home with there.

Michael

[Canada Rob]

Guy13,

Is there a GUY12 floating around somewhere? 

That's not a bad idea, ya know? Shipping from Vietnam to Taiwan can't be too horribly expensive seeing as how the two countries are more or less in the same neck of the woods. This is worth looking into. Big point: I do not yet have a HiFi system in my (part-time) home in Taiwan. I'm trying to determine if I will ship some things (speakers, DAC, headphones) over there, or if I will buy everything there. Domestically manufactured HiFi equipment is pretty cheap in Taiwan. I was shocked to learn how little I could buy new Usher Speakers for so long as they are delivered to my home in Taiwan. That is very tempting.

I'll keep your idea in mind once I figure out just what I'm going to equip my home with there.

Michael

Hello Michael,
If you purchase in Taiwan, the Taiwanese John Blue TL66 6L6 mono blocks (which need no pre-amp) would be a great match for Omegas.  A few years ago I had the TL66 and it worked beautifully with the 4.5" HempCone I had at the time.  The TL66 would be great match for any Omega. 

[mresseguie]

Hi, again, Rob. 

Thanks for the tip. I checked the website. It appears the amps are no longer in the product line(?). Nonetheless, I will look into JB when I am in Taiwan this Winter.

There are not a lot of brick & mortar stores in Taiwan that sell HiFi. Finding them is sometimes a hit and miss thing as their locations are not always in high profile store fronts. There is a chain that sells mid-Fi/some HiFi in many department stores, but the salespeople become visibly nervous when a westerner walks into their space. They have a mortal fear of trying to communicate in English. 

Of the brick and mortars stores I've entered in Taiwan, there are two clearly different attitudes presented by the dealers. One attitude is what I generally experience here in N. America: friendly, helpful salespeople who do not pressure me to buy. The other attitude gives me the feeling the dealer considers me an annoyance who can't possibly afford to buy his wares. Even though I can afford to buy, I typically leave within 10 minutes because I won't invest the time to break through his prejudice. Now that is mean spirited!

Michael

[Wind Chaser]

Well you've rattled off a dozen or so complaints about Omega, and I'm just thinking your time may be better spent on other sections of the forum if you're so disappointed with their latest offerings.

 

[mresseguie]

Wind Chaser,

I was rummaging about my brain for a good way to respond to the above poster. I think you've got it!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ or even: 

Lest anyone take offense to my quip, know that I am a potential Omega speaker buyer. I've spoken with both Rob (on Saturday) and Louis (a couple months ago). I personally appreciate it when a poster, such as JLM, points out possible issues. This gives me a well rounded view of what is offered. I in no way took JLM's post to be mean spirited. This is the Omega circle, but it's not just a cheering section, is it?

Peace.

Michael

[Jazzaudio]

  Over the past 13 yeas I've owned a Decware Select amp, Transcendent Sound Grounded Grid preamp and SEOTL amp, and Hornshoppe speakers.   And you know what:  Transcendent Sound, the OTL specialist did make a transformer-coupled amplifier, Decware, the SEP specialist using an odd tube does produce a push-pull amplifier using ubiquitous tubes, and Ed at the Hornshoppe, a single-driver specialist does offer a 2-driver with outboard crossover version of his speaker.  I think Bruce at TS stopped making the coupled amp due to relative cost, but Decware and Hornshoppe still offer their product to those that like that flavor...without backtracking from the products that put them on map. In all three cases the creators essentially said (paraphrasing) "You know, I always thought about, or had previously tinkered with XYZ, went into the shop, and shazam!"

Bruce acknowledged some like the effect output transformers have on sound, and set out to make a Transformer-coupled amp sound as close as he thought possible to both his OTL design and traditional tube amps (a feat worthy of even contemplating!)  Steve acknowledged everyone did not use speakers compatible with his 2 watt Zen wonders, and setout to make higher powered amps sound as close as possible to the Zen on less sensitive speakers.  Ed at the Hornshoppe...well, Ed is just crazy!!!    Actually, Ed uses a relatively expensive driver to address shortcomings in the Fostex driver, and believes the sum of the two (with his crossover design) exceeds the sound quality of the single driver in his cabinet.  I interpreted Louis' 1.5 way offering in the same manner: How close can the original sound be reproduced in a new product that's more compatible to those not inclined to buy his original product.  There are GREAT multi-driver crossover speakers (older Spendor midrange.....magical!  Klipsch Forte...dynamics out the ying yang!)  If this entices a few to delve closer to his (or any) single driver and/or minimalist crossover speaker...so much the better!

[mix4fix]

If you think some folks are mean spirited here, you need to get out more. You should frequent some of the political forums and even cigar forums that I do, if you want to see people run amok. I belong to a couple of member moderated boards; there's where you'll see mean, intolerant and down right nasty. This place is a breath of fresh air. Nothing but a bunch of old flower children.

Why are the loudest voices for tolerance the most intolerant people?

[Guy 13]

Wind Chaser,

I was rummaging about my brain for a good way to respond to the above poster. I think you've got it!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ or even: 

Lest anyone take offense to my quip, know that I am a potential Omega speaker buyer. I've spoken with both Rob (on Saturday) and Louis (a couple months ago). I personally appreciate it when a poster, such as JLM, points out possible issues. This gives me a well rounded view of what is offered. I in no way took JLM's post to be mean spirited. This is the Omega circle, but it's not just a cheering section, is it?

Peace.

Michael

Hi Michael.
You and JLM and now me, we got that right:
This is the Omega circle, but it's not just a cheering section, is it?
Some Audio Circle members are too jumpy when someone does not think like them,
they think they are the only one that owns the truth.
After Omega it's not the end of the world.
That being said:
I am a fan of Louis work, even if I don't own a pair of his nice enclosures,
I do have a Omega 7F driver and I am happy with it.

Guy 13
 
Some AC members reminds me of Union Leaders,
they can only talk about union and the bosses that exploit them
or like Geova members that can only talk about their religion even at Christmas,
New Year or any other even, that's their only subject of conversation,
they are narrow minded.
If the hat fits you, well, wear it and calm down.
 

[Good Times]

Point taken, please accept apologies to all for going off the rails before. I guess I initially took it as an attack on a good brand, rather than just conveying constructive criticism.

[Wind Chaser]

Point taken, please accept apologies to all for going off the rails before. I guess I initially took it as an attack on a good brand, rather than just conveying constructive criticism.

 

[mresseguie]

Good Times: Thank you! 

I'd love to hear your impressions of your Omega speakers and what amplifier you use to drive them. Which styles of music do you feel best suits them? Do you use a subwoofer to supply more oomph? What speakers did you have before? Educate me!

 

Michael

[Good Times]

Thanks for accepting my apologies!

I've got two at the moment, the 3 desktop monitors on my desktop (powered with a Rega amp), and some HB Type 1s in the living room. Currently they are powered with a Red Wine Audio Signature 16. I've been using a Zu Audio Undertone sub for bass duties.

I've had a lot of speakers, including a lot of Zus! The Type 1s don't do everything, but the things they do well, they do really well. I'm waiting to see what the next few months brings and will look to change them for something else - including an Omega sub.

[Canada Rob]

a web site that's still slow to be updated 

As of October 2012 Omega got a new website to replace an old and outdated one.  As information came in, the new website was updated, including the copyright date for each page.  The front cover was also updated.  The images were also 100% better as Louis' photography improved.  As of about a month ago a whole new website has been put up, with yet again improved photography, improved navigation, and all the specs (that Louis cares to divulge) that were on the previous website.  The OmegaStore and OutLaw section have been added which have regular updates, not to mention the website gets minor tweaks on a constant basis that may not get noticed by all.  If you are looking for more information in the way of charts and graphs you will be disappointed.  We hope to have the e-commerce side of it up when Louis gets time to attend to it. 

[opnly bafld]

Thanks for all of your work on the new website Rob! 

Lin