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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: XMAN on 8 Aug 2016, 01:48 am
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I just installed Soundirok and its picking up no album art any help would be appreiated
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I just installed Soundirok and its picking up no album art any help would be appreiated
There are two methods for retrieving album art and artist images:
1. Use the covert.php script - Bryston has included the Soundirok cover art script in the shipping firmware.
2. Fill-in the device settings with the appropriate values (i.e. Settings ... Devices ... Bryston BDP-1 (or whatever you called yours)
I use method #2. I have an image called "folder.jpg" inside each album folder, so I use that file name in a manner similar to setting up the preferred name for album art in Manic Moose.
So, my device settings look like this (at the bottom of that screen):
Collection URL: http://bryston-bdp-1.local/music/
Cover Filename: folder.jpg
Artist Thumb Filename: thumb.jpg (...I have one of these in each artist folder, with that artist's albums as sub-folders)
Booklet Filename: booklet.pdf
Now, if you don't have album art as a separate file inside the album folder, you can generate these using Manic Moose (as one example - there are other ways to do this, as well).
Reset and rebuild the Bryston DB in Manic Moose and the software will create a file called bdp_front_250.jpg inside of each album folder. Then, change Cover Filename to bdp_front_250.jpg in Soundirok.
Finally, in the main Soundirok screen, at the top, select your device's dropdown menu, tap in the little gear icon and tap on "Clear local image cache", which will force a re-fetch of everything onto your iPad.
Let us know if that works... yes, all of the MPD apps are confusing to setup.
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Thanks a lot for that Krutsch do i need to set the URL in Soundirok? The link in your reply didn't work.
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Thanks a lot for that Krutsch do i need to set the URL in Soundirok? The link in your reply didn't work.
This link:
So, my device settings look like this (at the bottom of that screen):
Collection URL: http://bryston-bdp-1.local/music/
...is for my BDP-1. If you have a BDP-2, you need to change it to match the name of your device. Or, alternatively, you can use the IP address.
This is the same URL you would put into MPaD and points to the MPD collection on your BDP.
Another example: it's the same link you use to access Manic Moose, but replace /bryston/ at the end with /music/, which is an MPD standard.
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This link:
...is for my BDP-1. If you have a BDP-2, you need to change it to match the name of your device. Or, alternatively, you can use the IP address.
This is the same URL you would put into MPaD and points to the MPD collection on your BDP.
Another example: it's the same link you use to access Manic Moose, but replace /bryston/ at the end with /music/, which is an MPD standard.
Thanks for the help :thumb:
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This link:
...is for my BDP-1. If you have a BDP-2, you need to change it to match the name of your device. Or, alternatively, you can use the IP address.
This is the same URL you would put into MPaD and points to the MPD collection on your BDP.
Another example: it's the same link you use to access Manic Moose, but replace /bryston/ at the end with /music/, which is an MPD standard.
Hey Krutsch, just wondering where do you get your Artist cover JPEGS from since its for more than one album should be a generic pic. Do you just make your own?
X
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Hey Krutsch, just wondering where do you get your Artist cover JPEGS from since its for more than one album should be a generic pic. Do you just make your own?
X
Good question: I download them from http://www.allmusic.com (http://www.allmusic.com), which has everything, including bios, album listings and images.
I've thought about writing a script to automate this, but for now I just pull them down manually.
By the way, this is exactly the same resource Roon uses for everything that display in their UI.
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Thanks you have been a big help what pain this is especially with the double and quadruple albums
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Thanks you have been a big help what pain this is especially with the double and quadruple albums
That really *is* the magic of Roon. With Roon, there is very little need to manage your album tags. Classical groupings and box sets are somewhat taken care of, depending on the support within their database.
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That really *is* the magic of Roon. With Roon, there is very little need to manage your album tags. Classical groupings and box sets are somewhat taken care of, depending on the support within their database.
I'm still having trouble with some albums with multiple artist Soundirok is making separate albums for each artist any ideas?
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I'm still having trouble with some albums with multiple artist Soundirok is making separate albums for each artist any ideas?
This usually means your albums are NOT tagged with an Album Artist, but only Artist with different Artists within a single album. This is sort of a universal media player problem.
Here's a link to explain with more detail:
http://www.blisshq.com/music-library-management-blog/2010/10/12/how-to-use-album_artist2 (http://www.blisshq.com/music-library-management-blog/2010/10/12/how-to-use-album_artist2)
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This usually means your albums are NOT tagged with an Album Artist, but only Artist with different Artists within a single album. This is sort of a universal media player problem.
Here's a link to explain with more detail:
http://www.blisshq.com/music-library-management-blog/2010/10/12/how-to-use-album_artist2 (http://www.blisshq.com/music-library-management-blog/2010/10/12/how-to-use-album_artist2)
The MPaD program seems to sort it out but Soundirok does not
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The MPaD program seems to sort it out but Soundirok does not
Well, sounds like MPaD is for you!
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Well, sounds like MPaD is for you!
Both have aspects i like i will continue to tweek and thanks Krutsch i appreciate all of your help.
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Both have aspects i like i will continue to tweek and thanks Krutsch i appreciate all of your help.
Send an e-mail to the author of the app - Daniel Kabel at: info@kvibes.de
He's been very responsive to me and other Bryston users. He's stated that he is working on a new version, so maybe your feedback could really help.
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Send an e-mail to the author of the app - Daniel Kabel at: info@kvibes.de
He's been very responsive to me and other Bryston users. He's stated that he is working on a new version, so maybe your feedback could really help.
thanks i did cheers X
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Soundirok 1.7 is looking pretty good so far. Looks like Daniel fixed the issues I was having with WAV files, which was holding me back from using the app :thumb:
-Greg
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Soundirok 1.7 is looking pretty good so far. Looks like Daniel fixed the issues I was having with WAV files, which was holding me back from using the app :thumb:
-Greg
I am curious how you are using WAV files with the BDP. I tried a few folders worth and (a) they don't even appear in Manic Moose, other than browsing by folder, and (b) with Soundirok all of the tracks have an index of one (1) (i.e. every song is Track #1).
Could be my tagging app, so if you have things working with WAV, I would be curious to read what you use for tagging.
For me, I used XLD (Mac) to transcode FLAC files to WAV and did enable the tagging stuff in XLD.
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I think how the metadata in WAV files might be your problem.
Try (any) different ID3 editing software and see if the metadata loads correctly. Maybe someone more familiar with ID3 tagging for WAV files can chime in?
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I think how the metadata in WAV files might be your problem.
Try (any) different ID3 editing software and see if the metadata loads correctly. Maybe someone more familiar with ID3 tagging for WAV files can chime in?
Sure. XLD is sort of the gold standard for the Mac. I think, in general, since WAV metadata is not really defined in the file format, it will always be a hit-or-miss affair. I also accept that playing back FLAC will likely sound the same, so I've standardized on that format for my collection outside of iTunes.
It's interesting; the struggle with tagging and metadata really highlights the flaw of relying on the player to decode everything, as opposed to a server-side solution that can leverage a greater selection of libraries and have access to more RAM and CPU (e.g. Roon or MinimServer/DLNA).
I've read from others that Aurender and AURALiC have similar issues. Server side solutions seem to be very robust and correctly handle both copies of my collection (iTunes and FLAC/DLNA) without any mishaps or errors. Same with players like Audirvana or Vox. It's also a lot easier to manage playlists with a native app.
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I am curious how you are using WAV files with the BDP. I tried a few folders worth and (a) they don't even appear in Manic Moose, other than browsing by folder, and (b) with Soundirok all of the tracks have an index of one (1) (i.e. every song is Track #1).
Could be my tagging app, so if you have things working with WAV, I would be curious to read what you use for tagging.
For me, I used XLD (Mac) to transcode FLAC files to WAV and did enable the tagging stuff in XLD.
I'm on a PC and use dBpoweramp to edit the ID3 tags. I don't use Manic Moose to play anything since I have been happy with MPad. Unfortunately MPad isn't updated anymore.
Like you mentioned earlier, you do need to add the Album Artist tag or you may have issues.
I try to keep WAV ID3 tags very simple:
artist
title
album
track
year
genre
album artist
Even so, that didn't work with the previous version of Soundirok. WAV files appear to work very well with the current version and I am moving away from MPad and really enjoying Soundirok. Daniel is doing a great job with the Soundirok app and it makes MPad look dated.
My Soundirok settings:
Device: bryston-bdp-2.local
Collection URL: http://bryston-bdp-2.local/music/
Cover Filename: Folder.jpg
Artist Thumb Filename: thumb.jpg (don't have any images set up for the artist thumb yet)
Booklet Filename: booklet.pdf (no booklets either)
-Greg
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Hi Greg
I am checking this out - how do you create and store Playlists?
james
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Hi Greg
I am checking this out - how do you create and store Playlists?
james
Hi James,
Still trying to get a grip on that. Soundirok recognized my existing playlists (created with MPad) and they work fine, plus you can edit the playlist. I think Soundirok may use collections as playlists, but I'm not sure about it. If you press on a single song a menu comes up and there is an option to add it to a "collection", just haven't had time to mess with that function.
-Greg
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I try to keep WAV ID3 tags very simple:
artist
title
album
track
year
genre
album artist
Even so, that didn't work with the previous version of Soundirok. WAV files appear to work very well with the current version and I am moving away from MPad and really enjoying Soundirok. Daniel is doing a great job with the Soundirok app and it makes MPad look dated.
My Soundirok settings:
Device: bryston-bdp-2.local
Collection URL: http://bryston-bdp-2.local/music/
Cover Filename: Folder.jpg
Artist Thumb Filename: thumb.jpg (don't have any images set up for the artist thumb yet)
Booklet Filename: booklet.pdf (no booklets either)
Thanks, Greg. I updated Soundirok and it works great with FLAC/MP3/AAC; all of the above tags were fine with WAV files, except for Track #, which showed up as 1 (one) for every song. I may take another run at this, with a different tagging program and see if anything changes.
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Hi James,
Still trying to get a grip on that. Soundirok recognized my existing playlists (created with MPad) and they work fine, plus you can edit the playlist. I think Soundirok may use collections as playlists, but I'm not sure about it. If you press on a single song a menu comes up and there is an option to add it to a "collection", just haven't had time to mess with that function.
-Greg
I am still creating my playlists on my Mac (using Vox) and then I use TextEdit to mass-change the leading paths for songs to match the mount point of the music folder on the Bryston BDP-1. You can SMB-mount the USERS share and directly copy/edit the playlists and then just Update - BUT, if you do that on a Mac, be sure to run something like "BlueHarvest" (Mac app) to prevent metadata files/folders from being created in the BDP, which will show up as extra playlists with goofy names.
And, as you've noticed, you can edit existing playlists via the Soundirok interface, but I haven't seen if you can create a new playlist from an existing playback queue on Soundirok. I'm either missing something or that's sort of the last missing feature for me.
As for "Collections", you can create device-local playlists that are on your iPad with Soundirok. I haven't used this, but I have used the "Intelligent Sets" feature, which lets you define "Smart Playlists" for MPD which works across multiple devices (anything that uses MPD for playback). This feature is very cool and I've had created a number of sets, based on Genre and Artist parameters.
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Thanks, Greg. I updated Soundirok and it works great with FLAC/MP3/AAC; all of the above tags were fine with WAV files, except for Track #, which showed up as 1 (one) for every song. I may take another run at this, with a different tagging program and see if anything changes.
That is strange, but nothing surprises me these days.
One odd issue I have had with WAV track numbering was using 01, 02, etc.. I had to use 1, 2, etc. instead.
I find that WAV files sound a tiny bit better than FLAC, but I'm not sure it is worth the hassle of dealing with the WAV tag issues.
-Greg
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That is strange, but nothing surprises me these days.
One odd issue I have had with WAV track numbering was using 01, 02, etc.. I had to use 1, 2, etc. instead.
I find that WAV files sound a tiny bit better than FLAC, but I'm not sure it is worth the hassle of dealing with the WAV tag issues.
-Greg
That last part was where I landed. :thumb:
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I am still creating my playlists on my Mac (using Vox) and then I use TextEdit to mass-change the leading paths for songs to match the mount point of the music folder on the Bryston BDP-1. You can SMB-mount the USERS share and directly copy/edit the playlists and then just Update - BUT, if you do that on a Mac, be sure to run something like "BlueHarvest" (Mac app) to prevent metadata files/folders from being created in the BDP, which will show up as extra playlists with goofy names.
And, as you've noticed, you can edit existing playlists via the Soundirok interface, but I haven't seen if you can create a new playlist from an existing playback queue on Soundirok. I'm either missing something or that's sort of the last missing feature for me.
As for "Collections", you can create device-local playlists that are on your iPad with Soundirok. I haven't used this, but I have used the "Intelligent Sets" feature, which lets you define "Smart Playlists" for MPD which works across multiple devices (anything that uses MPD for playback). This feature is very cool and I've had created a number of sets, based on Genre and Artist parameters.
I am also digging the "Intelligent Sets" i have my library set up in separate branches so i can find albums fast using MM but i discovered today that i can set "field" to "Path" then set "matching" to "contains" then set the "value' by typing in the name of the path, very cool. So i have a hi res set a jazz set a classical set ect. I noticed with some albums the cover art is blotchy and the play list for some albums have inconstant text size some of songs text is so you small you can't read it at all, very strange anyone else notice this?
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I am also digging the "Intelligent Sets" i have my library set up in separate branches so i can find albums fast using MM but i discovered today that i can set "field" to "Path" then set "matching" to "contains" then set the "value' by typing in the name of the path, very cool. So i have a hi res set a jazz set a classical set ect. I noticed with some albums the cover art is blotchy and the play list for some albums have inconstant text size some of songs text is so you small you can't read it at all, very strange anyone else notice this?
For the first issue, you have to tell me more about what "blotchy" means - I have perfect album art coverage for my collection with Soundirok, but I am meticulous about having a "folder.jpg" in each album's folder.
For the second issue, Soundirok will adjust the font size, dynamically, to make the album title fit in the space allowed by the app. Sometimes this presents text that is way too small and, IMO, it can make it hard to read a list of tracks - especially with classical titles. I don't care for it, but it's done by design.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=151923)
For the first issue, you have to tell me more about what "blotchy" means - I have perfect album art coverage for my collection with Soundirok, but I am meticulous about having a "folder.jpg" in each album's folder.
For the second issue, Soundirok will adjust the font size, dynamically, to make the album title fit in the space allowed by the app. Sometimes this presents text that is way too small and, IMO, it can make it hard to read a list of tracks - especially with classical titles. I don't care for it, but it's done by design.
I also have a folder.jpg in each file and the art works ok with Mpad to best describe would be like a negative image especially i predominantly white pics in only some of the albums not all. The font issue for the song titles is a problem that really needs to be addressed IMO because they cannot be read at all. Update it happens on white colors and only in the main view not after its has been selected.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=151923)
I also have a folder.jpg in each file and the art works ok with Mpad to best describe would be like a negative image especially i predominantly white pics in only some of the albums not all. The font issue for the song titles is a problem that really needs to be addressed IMO because they cannot be read at all. Update it happens on white colors and only in the main view not after its has been selected.
I have roughly 1500 albums in my collection. I switched to Album view and swiped through my collection and I don't have a single image that looks like what you are showing in your collection.
It seems that Soundirok is having trouble scaling some images, prior to displaying in the app. Maybe look at one of the bad ones and see if it's proportionally scaled and/or a very large or very small image. I'm just guessing here, but I make sure my images are all square and are scaled between 600x600 and 1024x1024 (no larger and no smaller).
Not sure what else to suggest, other than sending daniel (the author) one of your problem images and see if he can offer any insight into what's going wrong.
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I have roughly 1500 albums in my collection. I switched to Album view and swiped through my collection and I don't have a single image that looks like what you are showing in your collection.
It seems that Soundirok is having trouble scaling some images, prior to displaying in the app. Maybe look at one of the bad ones and see if it's proportionally scaled and/or a very large or very small image. I'm just guessing here, but I make sure my images are all square and are scaled between 600x600 and 1024x1024 (no larger and no smaller).
Not sure what else to suggest, other than sending daniel (the author) one of your problem images and see if he can offer any insight into what's going wrong.
I have contacted and sent Daniel an email and will have a look at the file sizes but one thing that seems to be common is when the boarder of the album is white it comes out like that. Some faces again white colour get converted black which comes out like black blocks. This is only in the main screen as shown.
UPDATE Daniel solved the problem I had cashe enabled and my iPad was messing things up alll good now Daniel was very responsive.
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UPDATE Daniel solved the problem I had cashe enabled and my iPad was messing things up alll good now Daniel was very responsive.
Great news. In general, when I make significant updates to the my library, I usually tap the "Clear local image cache" option to rebuild everything. Doesn't take long and ensures that changes I've made to album images get updated.
I am loving this app...
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Great news. In general, when I make significant updates to the my library, I usually tap the "Clear local image cache" option to rebuild everything. Doesn't take long and ensures that changes I've made to album images get updated.
I am loving this app...
I haven't been able to clear my cache on the ipad it seems you need to jail break it first. i'm really liking this app though its much better than mpad by a long shot the ability to separate you library is gold IMHO. Thanks for your help
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I haven't been able to clear my cache on the ipad it seems you need to jail break it first. i'm really liking this app though its much better than mpad by a long shot the ability to separate you library is gold IMHO. Thanks for your help
If we are talking about the same thing... try this:
tap on the device name at the top of the screen (mine says: BRYSTON BDP-1)
tap in the little gear icon on the right-hand side
tap on the bottom menu option on the little pop-up menu (Clear local image cache)
That will wipe all of the generated thumbnails, reload the MDP database from the BDP and re-build the image thumbnails.
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That is strange, but nothing surprises me these days.
One odd issue I have had with WAV track numbering was using 01, 02, etc.. I had to use 1, 2, etc. instead.
I find that WAV files sound a tiny bit better than FLAC, but I'm not sure it is worth the hassle of dealing with the WAV tag issues.
-Greg
Ah... I finally figured this one out. For WAV tracks, I found that if I remove the total track tag, Soundirok is able to successfully parse the track numbers and everything else. For example, rather than Track 1 of 10, remove the '...of 10' tag and just have the track numbers alone. And, I was able to number them as 1, 2, 3, ... N without needing to add a padding zero for single digit tracks.
Don't know if this also solves the issue where Manic Moose can parse WAV files, but I will try that later.
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Ah... I finally figured this one out. For WAV tracks, I found that if I remove the total track tag, Soundirok is able to successfully parse the track numbers and everything else. For example, rather than Track 1 of 10, remove the '...of 10' tag and just have the track numbers alone. And, I was able to number them as 1, 2, 3, ... N without needing to add a padding zero for single digit tracks.
Don't know if this also solves the issue where Manic Moose can parse WAV files, but I will try that later.
Nope. WAV files still don't appear in Manic Moose, other than browsing by folder.
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If we are talking about the same thing... try this:
tap on the device name at the top of the screen (mine says: BRYSTON BDP-1)
tap in the little gear icon on the right-hand side
tap on the bottom menu option on the little pop-up menu (Clear local image cache)
That will wipe all of the generated thumbnails, reload the MDP database from the BDP and re-build the image thumbnails.
That doesn't work I think it's my iPad cache and clearing that cache requires jail breaking I understand so with the local cache shut off i have to wait for my art to load every time I open. I guess I can see if reinstalling the app works.
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That doesn't work I think it's my iPad cache and clearing that cache requires jail breaking I understand so with the local cache shut off i have to wait for my art to load every time I open. I guess I can see if reinstalling the app works.
I have found the same on my IPAD - when you first open it it says its loading the data base - close it and open it again right away - seems to work for me on that bases.
james
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I have found the same on my IPAD - when you first open it it says its loading the data base - close it and open it again right away - seems to work for me on that bases.
james
yes and if i select "use local cache" on Soundirok i get corrupt image files
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Ah... I finally figured this one out. For WAV tracks, I found that if I remove the total track tag, Soundirok is able to successfully parse the track numbers and everything else. For example, rather than Track 1 of 10, remove the '...of 10' tag and just have the track numbers alone. And, I was able to number them as 1, 2, 3, ... N without needing to add a padding zero for single digit tracks.
Well, I've thrown in the towel on using WAV files on the BDP-1. I thought this was working, with a small sample of files, but when I converted a larger part of my collection, I found issues with ARTIST vs ALBUMARTIST tags, as well as some still only showing Track #1 for every track within an album. These same tracks are working fine with MinimServer, but since use of ID3 tags in WAV files isn't really a defined part of the spec, I guess that's a file format I'll abandon.
Well, that's too bad; listening to these tracks I felt there was a subtle improvement in playback quality. So, back to FLAC, which seems to be the only reliable format. I'd previously tried AIFF, as well, with different results but still problems parsing the meta data.
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Why not use AIFF? I made the switch a year ago and have never looked back. Same storage of the data as WAV but better tag handling. Works perfectly without having to go to a compressed format that needs decompression during playback.
I had nothing but trouble from WAV tags with the BDP-1. Checked AIFF to determine if I could tell a difference between the sound quality and found that I couldn't. I can definitely hear differences between FLAC and WAV.
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By the way, I see that you said you used AIFF. I have never had a single issue and I use all of the different tag types. I wold give it another try.
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By the way, I see that you said you used AIFF. I have never had a single issue and I use all of the different tag types. I wold give it another try.
What do you use for file tagging with AIFF?
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You can also use FLAC with the no compression option.
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You can also use FLAC with the no compression option.
That's a great idea... don't know why I didn't think of that. Thanks! :duh:
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What do you use for file tagging with AIFF?
I use tag&rename to automatically add tags from the folder-file names and I also use db poweramp for tag editing.
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You can also use FLAC with the no compression option.
I havent listened to flac that wasen't compressed. I am guessing that it sounds as good as wav? No decompression during playback should mean it sounds as good, right?
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I havent listened to flac that wasen't compressed. I am guessing that it sounds as good as wav? No decompression during playback should mean it sounds as good, right?
Yes.
But have also never heard a difference between compressed flac and wav under a DBT.
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FYI ... new version of Soundirok is in the app store.
New feature: synchronization of intelligent sets, collections and device settings in iCloud. Nothing to setup, you just turn it on in the settings.
This is really cool, because if you have to reinstall the app, or buy a new iPad or iPhone, you can just pull down your settings and all of the customized playlists, et al., that you've created.
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Just started to play with Soundroik (1.8). Does anyone know how to read the " booklet.pdf" file that has been placed in an Album's music folder?
Artwork is showing up OK and I have booklet.pdf entered under the Booklet Filename field.
Thanks
David
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Tap and hold on an album; the pop-up menu has an open to open the booklet. Opens and views, in-place.
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Using an iPad
After taping and holding in the "player screen" the cover enlarges full screen but the booklet does not show.
Wonder it it is an ISO problem in that the iPad doesnot want to open a pdf file from within the Soundroik app?
I did try a few other album's as well
Thanks David
Ps: if I use the fileExplorer app on the iPad I can drill down to the album folder and open the Booklet.pdf file
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Two things: 1. the booklet.pdf entry and filename are case-sensitive, so make sure they match and 2. Soundirok will present the option and attempt to load a booklet.pdf whether there is one there, or not. If there is no booklet.pdf, it will load the Manic Moose into the same pop-up window.
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Two things: 1. the booklet.pdf entry and filename are case-sensitive, so make sure they match and 2. Soundirok will present the option and attempt to load a booklet.pdf whether there is one there, or not. If there is no booklet.pdf, it will load the Manic Moose into the same pop-up window.
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must be user error/finger trouble:
-I have tried upper and lower case
path to drive ie
music\A-Classical\765_8-ensembles-in-1-bit_stereo128\Booklet.pdf
Booklet Filename: is Booklet.pdf
I do not seem to get an option when tapping and holding down on the cover image. - no Manic Moose loads as an alternative either.
is there a script to run or something I do not have set right in the firmware?
David
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-Hi
must be user error/finger trouble:
-I have tried upper and lower case
path to drive ie
music\A-Classical\765_8-ensembles-in-1-bit_stereo128\Booklet.pdf
Booklet Filename: is Booklet.pdf
I do not seem to get an option when tapping and holding down on the cover image. - no Manic Moose loads as an alternative either.
is there a script to run or something I do not have set right in the firmware?
David
Open the album (i.e. select it) and then tap-and-hold where it says: COMPLETE ALBUM.
If there is no booklet, you will see 404 Not Found.
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Open the album (i.e. select it) and then tap-and-hold where it says: COMPLETE ALBUM.
If there is no booklet, you will see 404 Not Found.
Aha
I was tapping and holding the album's cover or thumbnail.
Once I tapped on the words "COMPLETE ALBUM" then the menu opened for show booklet
All has been revealed!
Thank you
David
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Late to this discussion, but seeing MPad get slower and slower, and no longer updated, led me here. So I have purchased Soundirok, set it up fairly quickly thanks to those who posted their setup values, and have to say I am impressed with the speed. Touching a track starts my BDP-1 in a fraction of a second. The only two real issues I see are:
- the alphabetic speed scroll feature (ie touch the letter that appears on the right of a long list) works great for artist sort, but does not work at all for album title sort (this is true no matter what view style is selected)
- even though I have local cache selected, the app seems to need to redraw album covers each time you go back to a view. It does so quickly, so admittedly this does not slow you down, but the flash of the constant redrawing detracts a bit from what otherwise is a great app.
Overall I must thank Daniel for keeping the MPD app world up to date and alive. :beer:
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Just a quick note on DSD files: If you have album art embedded in the tag of each .dsf song on an album, the album will not show up on Soundirok. Keeping a copy of the art as Folder.jpg in the album file only make it all work great.
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Overall I must thank Daniel for keeping the MPD app world up to date and alive. :beer:
+1
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Quick note on iCloud integration. I recently setup a new iPhone and I normally use an iPad to drive my audio stuff.
I enabled iCloud synchronization on the iPad and it uses your default account settings to store all of your MPD device settings, Intelligent Sets and Collections for any devices you have setup in the app (I have 2).
When I installed Soundirok on my iPhone 7, I simply turned on iCloud sync and tapped on the prompt to overwrite the local data (of which there was none - a new device). This syncing works in both directions, so I can create a new Intelligent Set on the iPhone and then it appears in the iPad.
And, it just worked. Epic feature.
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neat
will give it a try
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I bought and loaded Soundirok onto my iPad and I am very impressed. I was using MPaD but it is a bit clunky when dealing with playlists.
Because I had set up my files & artwork to display properly on MPaD, Soundirok had no trouble displaying my artists & albums.
Playlists I had setup on MPaD were read and worked easily.
The only thing that I find on the downside is the font size of the display. I'm an old bugger and trying to read the text requires a magnifying glass!
I'd be happy to see fewer titles/albums displayed if I could just read the text easily in a larger font.
I am using Soundirok to control my new SOtM SMS-200 in MPD/DLNA mode and it works very well.
Maybe the developer should get in touch with SOtM and offer his app with the purchase of an SMS-200.
I suspect that the SOtM will sell very well and Soundirok could leverage sales to this user group.
The combination of Soundirok and the SOtM SMS-200 into my DAC (Auralic Vega) has delivered the best sound I have heard from my system.
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The only thing that I find on the downside is the font size of the display. I'm an old bugger and trying to read the text requires a magnifying glass!
Agreed... that and the playback controls, underneath the album art on the iPad display, are small and are sometimes hard to tap accurately.
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So after several years of trusty service, MPoD has finally crapped out on me. I've decided to give Soundirok a try. However, I'm damned if I can get it working. I've set it up with the following device configuration:
Name: bryston-bdp-2
IP Address: Correctly matches BDP configuration from front panel display.
Port: 6600
Password: bryston
Collection URL: http://bryston-bdp-2.local/music/
Cover Filename: Folder.jpg
After setting this up, the app displays "Soundirok is loading your music library..." and this stays this way until the phone auto-lock kicks in (5 min.). When I login to the phone and return to the app I'm at the main screen with my device name at the top. The same thing happens if I minimize and restore the app at any point while it's "loading" the library. If I close the app and restart it, it immediately goes to "Soundirok is loading your music library..." However, when I select Search, Library, or Playlists it just loops back to the main (blank) screen again. I suspect the app has not connected to my BDP-2 successfully, but how can I tell? :scratch:
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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So after several years of trusty service, MPoD has finally crapped out on me. I've decided to give Soundirok a try. However, I'm damned if I can get it working. I've set it up with the following device configuration:
Name: bryston-bdp-2
IP Address: Correctly matches BDP configuration from front panel display.
Port: 6600
Password: bryston
Collection URL: http://bryston-bdp-2.local/music/
Cover Filename: Folder.jpg
After setting this up, the app displays "Soundirok is loading your music library..." and this stays this way until the phone auto-lock kicks in (5 min.). When I login to the phone and return to the app I'm at the main screen with my device name at the top. The same thing happens if I minimize and restore the app at any point while it's "loading" the library. If I close the app and restart it, it immediately goes to "Soundirok is loading your music library..." However, when I select Search, Library, or Playlists it just loops back to the main (blank) screen again. I suspect the app has not connected to my BDP-2 successfully, but how can I tell? :scratch:
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Try disabling the auto-lock on your iOS device, until the library finishes loading; sounds like a large library. Also, like with MPoD, Folder.jpg is case sensitive with respect to what's on your BDP storage location.
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Thanks for your reply Krutsch. I thought of that, however my phone is a corporate device so I can't disable the auto-lock, 5 min. is the most I get. Folder.jpg is correct. My library is large but not ridiculous (< 40k tracks). I'm not sure what the size of the mpd indices are, but MPoD was able to sync it up in less than 2 min. I don't think this is the problem though; I think Soundirok is just not connecting to my BDP-2. I changed the password in the device configuration in the app to an invalid one, and the behaviour is the same - the app still hangs at "Soundirok is loading your music library...". No indication that it is not able to connect. I also deleted and reinstalled the app, but no change. I'm thinking there may be a conflict with port 6600, but I don't know any other values to try. I may have to email the developer for more info. :?
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Hi
What if you just put a 500 or so songs on a USB stick and see if it loads a smaller library?
David
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Hi I had the same issue with the phone auto locking after 5 minutes, which wasn't long enough, to overcome this, I just touch and scroll the screen up and down for a few seconds every few minutes during library loading to ensure it doesn't lock. After the library loads the screen freezes for a minute or so while album art is loaded, but all is well after this.
On my iPad auto lock turns on after 15 minutes so this isn't an issue.
Regards
Barry
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FYI... Soundirok 3.0 on the App Store. Nice additions to the UI for browsing related content.
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FYI... Soundirok 3.0 on the App Store. Nice additions to the UI for browsing related content.
Thanks Krutsch very nice improvement indeed love this app. it's 2.0 i couldn't find 3.0
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Soundirok 2.0 has resolved my issues with connectivity. Thanks for the heads up on the new version Krutsch. Also, thanks for everyone's suggestions, but the issue was likely not with loading my library or auto-lock - 2.0 downloaded my library in less than 1 minute, but it took > 10 min. for it to finish updating the library on the phone. I suspect this was due to album art (apparently there are > 5k albums in my library :o - this isn't right, and in scanning through the titles I see a number of them being duplicated. I'll have to look into this a bit, but at least I have a library now, and with covers :thumb:). The library update was interrupted several times by auto-lock, but the app returned to where it left off and continued on every time. Good looking app, but I agree the font is a little small on the alphabet index bar. I can't comment on the changes in 2.0 because I couldn't get 1.8 working at all, so for me 2.0 is a vast improvement. Nice to finally be using an app that looks like it will have ongoing developer support.
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Questions/observations Soundirok via iphone/ipad to BDP2;
1) Setup up was relatively painless following Krutch's advice.
2) This might be a bug but I noticed the volume does not stay constant when you close and restart the app via the iphone/ipad and resets itself to the highest volume setting. I'm pretty sure this is related to the Manic Moose whenever the BDP reboots and your already set to software volume control the volume setting is highest. Chris is aware of this and has stated that it should be solved at some point. The difference between Mpad/Mpod and Soundirok is the volume remains at the level you choose as long as the system isn't rebooted then it resets, I think the Soundirok is resetting the volume every time the app is restarted.
3) In Mpod/Mpad there is a way to clear an entire playlist by just pressing edit and selecting clear. Is there similar functionality in Soundirok?
4) I do like the enhanced interface and artist info, "roonesque" without the monthly fee.
Thanks to the developer and to the forum for enhancing the BDP experience.
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Questions/observations Soundirok via iphone/ipad to BDP2;
3) In Mpod/Mpad there is a way to clear an entire playlist by just pressing edit and selecting clear. Is there similar functionality in Soundirok?
Yes. Open the playback queue (tap on the bottom of the screen) and look for the little garbage can icon in the upper-right corner.
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So I have DSD (.dsf) files mainly downloaded from Acoustic Sounds. And none of them are showing on the app correctly.
Someone mentioned earlier:
Just a quick note on DSD files: If you have album art embedded in the tag of each .dsf song on an album, the album will not show up on Soundirok. Keeping a copy of the art as Folder.jpg in the album file only make it all work great
What do I need to do to unembed art in the tag of .dsf files? I do already have a Folder.jpg file in each album folder and they work great on MPad.
Any assistance would be appreciated
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For the life of me I can not seem to get the album art to work :duh:
james
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For the life of me I can not seem to get the album art to work :duh:
james
Hi Chris see my settings and make sure you have a jpeg for each file and it is case sensitive and of course use your own url.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=159003)
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Its James - I will give it a try.
thanks
james
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Its James - I will give it a try.
thanks
james
Correction to the above advice on cover art: you do NOT want to use BOTH "Cover Script URL" and "Collection URL".
If you have a folder.jpg in each album, leave the Cover Script URL field blank and fill-in the Collection URL and following fields.
Mine look like this:
Collection URL: http://bryston-bdp-1.local/music/
Cover Filename: folder.jpg
Artist Thumb Filename: thumb.jpg
Booklet Filename: booklet.pdf
On my system, I get images for artist, album and PDF booklets without issue.
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If I take cover script out I don't get art in artist mode. This new version is great easy access to bockllets and very nicely displayed.
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You will get cover art if you change artist thumb view to Folder.jpg. It will use the first album art in each folder for a specific artist. That is if you have a separate album cover for each album. I don't use the scripts.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=159007)
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Sorry artist thumb filename.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=159007)
When I set it up like this it crashes all the time in journal mode
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Mine works perfect. I tried using cover scripts like you have posted above and no album art displayed at all.
I have an iPad Pro and an iPhone 6s and it runs beautifully. Very quick and over 1500 albums. I have an old iPad 2 and it will run it but really slow. What device do you have?
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I have the IPAD Pro and it will just not stop from Loading the Artwork no matter what I put in the setup menus.
james
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iPad mini no retina can't remember the version
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=159008)
Here are the other settings. The journal view is also really neat. I'm not sure if you have tried it or not. Love it.
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Correction to the above advice on cover art: you do NOT want to use BOTH "Cover Script URL" and "Collection URL".
If you have a folder.jpg in each album, leave the Cover Script URL field blank and fill-in the Collection URL and following fields.
Mine look like this:
Collection URL: http://bryston-bdp-1.local/music/
Cover Filename: folder.jpg
Artist Thumb Filename: thumb.jpg
Booklet Filename: booklet.pdf
On my system, I get images for artist, album and PDF booklets without issue.
Hey krutsch do you have a thumb jpg in each file? If I use folder.jpg in both spots I get a lot of crashing. When I get it up as I suggested to James it works fine. Confused now lol
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I have the IPAD Pro and it will just not stop from Loading the Artwork no matter what I put in the setup menus.
james
Hi James, can you clarity what you mean.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=159008)
Here are the other settings. The journal view is also really neat. I'm not sure if you have tried it or not. Love it.
My art displays blotchy if I set it up like that bin there done that
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Hi James, can you clarity what you mean.
You know how the red bar across the top shows the art loading - mine never completes - goes about 1/4 of the way across and I have to go out and back into Soundirok to get it to load and then no cover art.
Everything works as it should but no cover art shows other than blank album covers with just the name of the artist.
james
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I have 1500+ albums and it takes about 10 minutes to completely load all the album art. I use 1000x1000 covers from Fanart. I think there can be a problem it the image is too big. That may make it hang.
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I have 1500+ albums and it takes about 10 minutes to completely load all the album art. I use 1000x1000 covers from Fanart. I think there can be a problem it the image is too big. That may make it hang.
Ok I have 50,000 so that may be the issue.
james
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Time to downsize. Haha
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Hey krutsch do you have a thumb jpg in each file? If I use folder.jpg in both spots I get a lot of crashing. When I get it up as I suggested to James it works fine. Confused now lol
Nope. My library looks like this (as an example):
[USB Flash A]/High-Res/Genre/Artists/Album 1 ... Album N.
Under each artist folder, I have a "thumb.jpg" that I placed, manually. Under each Album sub-folder, I have a "folder.jpg" for the cover art. My cover images are sometimes large (1400x1400), but most are 1K x 1K.
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Ok I have 50,000 so that may be the issue.
james
James, you should contact that developer, as he may not be testing with a library of that size. I sent him a short list of issues I found with version 2.1 and he has been very responsive in the past.
Let me know if you need Daniel's e-mail address.
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James, you should contact that developer, as he may not be testing with a library of that size. I sent him a short list of issues I found with version 2.1 and he has been very responsive in the past.
Let me know if you need Daniel's e-mail address.
Ok thanks - I will try it on my BDP-PI that has a much smaller library.
james
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Nope - the red line stops loading at about 1/4 across the top even with a few albums.
Something must be up with my system. MM and MPAD work fine :scratch:
I am going to try it on my system at work.
james
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=159011)
Hi James. I'm sure you have already done this. Did you try and clear the local image cache then try and reload.
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James,
Not sure of your settings, but I will say for both Mpad and Soundirok, on the collection URL line I have never been able to enter just http://bryston...local/music
I tried it again just a couple of days ago, and no artwork loaded for me. Same thing for MPad back when I was messing with that 3 years ago when I got my Bdp-2
Instead I have always had to use http://(IP Address of Bryston)/music
So if you don't already have it that way perhaps try it.
Now with all of you guys who are getting this app to work correctly, how the heck do you get DSD (.dsf) files to display correctly?
I can only see the files in File View, and if I select a track it is invisible in the queue, but it will play. No artwork however.
But currently this is a deal breaker for me, if I can't play DSD with this app correctly.
All of my DSD files show up fine in MPad, and they are mostly all just files downloaded from internet resellers, and then I add a Folder.jpg to get artwork in Mpad to show correctly.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=159011)
Hi James. I'm sure you have already done this. Did you try and clear the local image cache then try and reload.
Yes tried that.
james
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...with Mpod it was easy to 'see' all the files that the user created.
not doable with this app!?!
any ideas??
al.
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Now with all of you guys who are getting this app to work correctly, how the heck do you get DSD (.dsf) files to display correctly?
I can only see the files in File View, and if I select a track it is invisible in the queue, but it will play. No artwork however.
But currently this is a deal breaker for me, if I can't play DSD with this app correctly.
All of my DSD files show up fine in MPad, and they are mostly all just files downloaded from internet resellers, and then I add a Folder.jpg to get artwork in Mpad to show correctly.
I have the same display problem with some DSD file folders. Note - it is only some maybe 1/2 a dozen or so. It can't be DSD files per say as I can see most of the DSD albums without a problem.
I have emailed Daniel to see if he can suggest a solution so I'll post any response that solves the problem.
I am loving the latest version 2.1 especially the "Journal" view. It surpasses MPaD for ease of use (and MPaD doesn't appear in the App Store anymore either).
Here is the Journal view. (Note - it is displaying a DSD album as well as the WAV version)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=159142)
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Yes tried that.
james
Same here, tried all settings i can think of, still, no covert art in sight...
Cheers,
Marius
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Same here, tried all settings i can think of, still, no covert art in sight...
Cheers,
Marius
I have emailed Daniel to see if he can help.
james
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Daniel set me this:
Name: Bryston BDP-1
IP Address: bryston-bdp-1.local (on my setup this has to be the units IP to connect)
Port: 6600
Password: <empty>
Cover Script URL: <empty>
Collection URL: http://bryston-bdp-1.local/music/
Cover Filename: Folder.jpg
Artist Thumb Filename: Folder.jpg
The IP address and cover/artist thumb filenames have to be adjusted. As far as I know the Bryston players share the music collection at http://bryston-bdp-1.local/music/. Technically Soundirok does the following the get the URL to a cover image:
From the path to a file reported by MPD the actual file is removed, for example:
"Artist A/Album B/01 - Track 01.flac" --> "Artist A/Album B/"
Then the cover filename provided in the settings is appended: "Artist A/Album B/Folder.jpg".
After that the collection URL is prepended (and a maybe missing trailing slash is added): "http://bryston-bdp-1.local/music/Artist A/Album B/Folder.jpg"
Oh, and I forgot to mention that starting with Soundirok 2.0 there is also a first run wizard which automatically sets the settings below when the user chooses "Bryston BDP-1/2" as his device type.
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Daniel added:
The IP address is even better because then no zeroconf DNS resolution has to be done (which in some cases gives strange delays).
Please also adjust the "Collection URL" to the IP address as well.
Close the settings and Soundirok should reload your collection. That the red line on top stops in the middle is a strange behaviour... Nobody reported this problem before.
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Daniel added:
The IP address is even better because then no zeroconf DNS resolution has to be done (which in some cases gives strange delays).
Please also adjust the "Collection URL" to the IP address as well.
Close the settings and Soundirok should reload your collection. That the red line on top stops in the middle is a strange behaviour... Nobody reported this problem before.
I personally use the zeroconf version, but that's just me and I've not seen any delays.
I'm sure no one has reported the "red line stops problem" because no one else has tried Soundirok with a library containing 65K albums (how did you even build a collection that large :o )
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I personally use the zeroconf version, but that's just me and I've not seen any delays.
I'm sure no one has reported the "red line stops problem" because no one else has tried Soundirok with a library containing 65K albums (how did you even build a collection that large :o )
Hi Krutsch,
I listen to everything 3 times :icon_lol:
james
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Just down loaded Soundirok 2.3 update. Everything is way faster to load and several other bugs fixed with scrolling. I tried to load Soundirok on an old iPad 3 and when I was loading it the bar got stuck that James has described before. Tried several times and then realized that Soundirok uses 5.5 GB of storage. It stopped because my iPad was full. I have 1600 albums which uses 5.5 GB of Storage. I deleted a bunch of apps and then reloaded it. It is very slow compared to my iPad Pro but it does work. So make sure you have enough empty space on your iPad before you update your Soundirok album library. Hope this helps. It caused me a lot of frustration.
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Just down loaded Soundirok 2.3 update. Everything is way faster to load and several other bugs fixed with scrolling. I tried to load Soundirok on an old iPad 3 and when I was loading it the bar got stuck that James has described before. Tried several times and then realized that Soundirok uses 5.5 GB of storage. It stopped because my iPad was full. I have 1600 albums which uses 5.5 GB of Storage. I deleted a bunch of apps and then reloaded it. It is very slow compared to my iPad Pro but it does work. So make sure you have enough empty space on your iPad before you update your Soundirok album library. Hope this helps. It caused me a lot of frustration.
Interesting... I have ~1200 albums and Soundirok is using 287.6 MB (mega, not giga) on my iPhone 7.
Maybe try clearing/reloading the album art image cache?
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Yes cleared everything. Album art is all high quality 1000x1000 from Fanart.tv. It does look impressive.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160086)
I guess I have the "enable image cache" selected. Speeds up image scrolling. Works really well.
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I guess I have the "enable image cache" selected. Speeds up image scrolling. Works really well.
I have that enabled, as well, and most of my cover art is 1K x 1K or larger. Don't know why your data store is so large on your device.
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That's interesting. Now I'm not sure why its that large. I rip all my CD's with XLD on my iMac. I then import them to iTunes and modify the metadata. Each song I think has an image attached to it. I then add a Folder.jpg image to each album folder (1000Kx1000K image). I then take the iTunes music folder and put it on a hard drive and then use it with My BDP-1 and 2. Could it be that each song has an image attached to it? That's the only thing that would make it so large. Any thoughts?
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Yes cleared everything. Album art is all high quality 1000x1000 from Fanart.tv. It does look impressive.
Why on earth would you want all artwork in 1000 x 1000??? 200 x 200 is more than enough, that is the largest version you will see in any controller. Which means that 1000 x 1000 sized images will all be resized by software that should use its calculating power elsewhere (playing music). It also consumes a massive amount of storage space, which should be used for something else (storing music). Plus the resizing will not be done at Photoshop quality, leaving you with an image quality that is less than when you use small images.
So rename those poster sized images and create small thumbnails for your app. You'll be doing yourself a favor.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160207)
200x200 image
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160208)
1000x1000 image
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160209)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160210)
So here are the differences is how the files are displayed. The Vapors image is 200x200 while the Split Enz file is 1000x1000. I think the pictures speak for themselves. I have a 1000x1000 for probably 99% of my albums. I think 5 GB of album art in a 1TB collection is reasonable.
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So here are the differences is how the files are displayed. The Vapors image is 200x200 while the Split Enz file is 1000x1000. I think the pictures speak for themselves. I have a 1000x1000 for probably 99% of my albums. I think 5 GB of album art in a 1TB collection is reasonable.
Exactly.
By the way, I haven't heard True Colors since it was released while I was in high school... that brought back memories seeing that album cover.
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@Camper ... BTW, are you using an iPad Pro with Soundirok?
I have an iPad Mini 2 (old model), but have been using my iPhone 7 lately, as the app is more responsive with that device (and seems to be easier on the battery - with the iPad Mini 2, Soundirok will run down my battery pretty quickly).
Thinking about getting a newer iPad Pro with the 12" screen for music apps.
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I'm using iPad Pro 9.7 inch for Soundirok. It loads really quickly and can switch from BDP-2 to BDP-1 within seconds. I also have an old iPad 3 and the album art is a little slow to show up. iPad Pro it's instant. Also have iPhone 6 and it's really quick. Processor makes a huge difference.
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I'm on a 3rd gen iPad too; good to know when I eventually upgrade that the speed will increase. My only observation now with Soundirok is that it seems to use the AlbumArtist metadata tag whenever it refers to "Artist", and unlike the Bryston app, I can't see any way to have it ignore AlbumArtist and just use my "Artist" tags (because I did not thoroughly scrub the AlbumArtist tag as I did Artist).
Also, I notice that many (not all) of my source FLAC file folders now have two new files - labelled bdp_front_44 and bp_front_250. They are essentially a 44x44 and 250x250 pixel re-naming of the Folder.jpg file which is in each FLAC folder. Does anyone know if these are part of the Bryston Max app database, or is Soundirok putting these new files there? Weird that they are not in every folder...
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I'm on a 3rd gen iPad too; good to know when I eventually upgrade that the speed will increase. My only observation now with Soundirok is that it seems to use the AlbumArtist metadata tag whenever it refers to "Artist", and unlike the Bryston app, I can't see any way to have it ignore AlbumArtist and just use my "Artist" tags (because I did not thoroughly scrub the AlbumArtist tag as I did Artist).
Also, I notice that many (not all) of my source FLAC file folders now have two new files - labelled bdp_front_44 and bp_front_250. They are essentially a 44x44 and 250x250 pixel re-naming of the Folder.jpg file which is in each FLAC folder. Does anyone know if these are part of the Bryston Max app database, or is Soundirok putting these new files there? Weird that they are not in every folder...
I believe Bryston adds the additional lables
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Also, I notice that many (not all) of my source FLAC file folders now have two new files - labelled bdp_front_44 and bp_front_250. They are essentially a 44x44 and 250x250 pixel re-naming of the Folder.jpg file which is in each FLAC folder. Does anyone know if these are part of the Bryston Max app database, or is Soundirok putting these new files there? Weird that they are not in every folder...
Yes, Bryston's Manic Moose software creates these thumbnails for the web view.
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Yes, Bryston's Manic Moose software creates these thumbnails for the web view.
Yes, which isn't a very nice attitude of MM, since several other apps use the same files/folders and these Bryston files are cluttering the folders. I like my music files to be safe from apps writing and deleting from them. I solved this by not giving MM writing-right on my NAS, only reading. Can't help it from writing to the attached USB drives though, other than disabling the Bryston DB, i think.
If MM needs these smaller thumbs, it should store them in a separate folder being used by the BDP only and not in the central store.
Btw, imagine an error taking place, and all of your Music storage would be compromised.
Cheers,
Marius
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Btw, imagine an error taking place, and all of your Music storage would be compromised.
Cheers,
Marius
:duh:
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160356)
Latest firmware is aware of this apparently. Still, "doesn't attempt if read only" doesn't really help, does it? It should write elsewhere. Always.
Cheers,
Marius
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160356)
Latest firmware is aware of this apparently. Still, "doesn't attempt if read only" doesn't really help, does it? It should write elsewhere. Always.
Cheers,
Marius
Yes I would have to agree with you Marius; this is why I posted the query, as I did think maybe it was Soundirok app since it seemed to struggle a bit while constantly re-drawing album art (when the now-abandoned MPad seemed to be almost instant). I think it is just bad form to write to the client's data folder structure. I thought the "scratch drive" concept was to achieve the same thing, where you designate a piece of your drive for art - this is more acceptable. But I admit I do not follow Bryston firmware closely, and update only once in a while, so I could have easily missed some change in approach.
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Yes I would have to agree with you Marius; this is why I posted the query, as I did think maybe it was Soundirok app since it seemed to struggle a bit while constantly re-drawing album art (when the now-abandoned MPad seemed to be almost instant). I think it is just bad form to write to the client's data folder structure. I thought the "scratch drive" concept was to achieve the same thing, where you designate a piece of your drive for art - this is more acceptable. But I admit I do not follow Bryston firmware closely, and update only once in a while, so I could have easily missed some change in approach.
Indeed the scratch drive was used for that before, but Chris changed this some iterations ago. I've mentioned this many moons ago, but it was never changed. Chris did write the tool to erase all remnants to tidy up, which I used and never needed afterwards since I've stopped using the Bryston dB.
Hope Chris can change the way this works again to leave the users data folder being just that.
Cheers
Marius
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Also, I notice that many (not all) of my source FLAC file folders now have two new files - labelled bdp_front_44 and bp_front_250. They are essentially a 44x44 and 250x250 pixel re-naming of the Folder.jpg file which is in each FLAC folder. Does anyone know if these are part of the Bryston Max app database, or is Soundirok putting these new files there? Weird that they are not in every folder...
Ok here is what I did that worked really nice. I download a fresh copy of my music files to my ssd drive. These files did not contain any of the files that you mentioned above. DO NOT ENABLE BRYSTON DATABASE. This prevents the files from being added to your files. You can't use artist view. (See below) but the Soundirok app works perfectly using the Folder.jpg files. When playing a song on Bryston interface my album art is displayed properly. Hopefully you have copy of your music files without the added files. It's really time consuming to remove them manually. I rarely use the Bryston interface so not a real problem. Good luck. Hope it works.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160381)
Album art displayed using Bryston interface.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160380)
Artist view with Bryston database disabled.
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Ok here is what I did that worked really nice. I download a fresh copy of my music files to my ssd drive. These files did not contain any of the files that you mentioned above.
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Pro tip: sync your files onto your SSD drive (for the BDP) from your primary or backup drive using an app like GoodSync.
This app allows you to configure filters (include and/or exclude) which allows you to update your SSD drive by only copying new/changed files ...AND... to ignore generated bryston images, et al., to speed up the database update after adding new music.
My Filters list looks as follows:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160384)
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Why cant I find firmware s2.33?
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Why cant I find firmware s2.33?
Firmware revisions ending with an odd value (ie S2.33) are considered testing builds, version of the firmware containing new features/fixes that have only seen limited in house testing and as such not apparently made available to the public. That is not to say we don't want the general public using these builds, we infact do as its generally a really good way to uncover bugs or other things we didn't think of. To install it follow the instructions found on this page, although keep in mind the aforementioned.
http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=248
Cheers,
Chris
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Indeed the scratch drive was used for that before, but Chris changed this some iterations ago. I've mentioned this many moons ago, but it was never changed. Chris did write the tool to erase all remnants to tidy up, which I used and never needed afterwards since I've stopped using the Bryston dB.
Hope Chris can change the way this works again to leave the users data folder being just that.
Cheers
Marius
We did just added an option to suppress the file creation of bryston db, but many people do find it handy even if there using a 3rd party client. Those that find it hand its usually because a consistent file name for the cover art hasn't been used, the Bryston DB automates this task. It also makes the copied cover art a consistent size that most would consider ideal for browsing, this has generally increases the performance. For those that want to get rid of those extra files that why we created librarydoctor.php
Cheers,
Chris
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We did just added an option to suppress the file creation of bryston db, but many people do find it handy even if there using a 3rd party client. Those that find it hand its usually because a consistent file name for the cover art hasn't been used, the Bryston DB automates this task. It also makes the copied cover art a consistent size that most would consider ideal for browsing, this has generally increases the performance. For those that want to get rid of those extra files that why we created librarydoctor.php
Cheers,
Chris
FWIW, since this is a Soundirok discussion thread, Soundirok ignores the Bryston generated files, as long as you are using some other standard name for your album art in the app settings, like folder.jpg.
The Bryston generated thumbnails are too small to be ideal for the app, unless you are browsing on a phone. My folder.jpg files are large (1k x 1k) and Soundirok has no problem quickly loading/cashing/displaying these images. And they look really nice on an iPad.
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We did just added an option to suppress the file creation of bryston db, but many people do find it handy even if there using a 3rd party client. Those that find it hand its usually because a consistent file name for the cover art hasn't been used, the Bryston DB automates this task. It also makes the copied cover art a consistent size that most would consider ideal for browsing, this has generally increases the performance. For those that want to get rid of those extra files that why we created librarydoctor.php
Cheers,
Chris
Sure, Chris, as mentioned in my post.
Why don't you point the creation of these bryston files to the scratch drive, or the internal user drive, or, if it must really be elsewhere, on at least a separate Bryston folder on one of the user drives. It used to be that way didn't it?
That way one can 1) keep the data drives clean from anything else but Data/Music, 2) use these folders without issues by other programs/apps, and 3) be assured they will never be compromised by image creating software as an extra but ever so important bonus.
There really shouldn't be any files created by the managing software in these folders. Only content. Imagine all apps doing so :nono: .
Cheers,
Marius
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FWIW, since this is a Soundirok discussion thread, Soundirok ignores the Bryston generated files, as long as you are using some other standard name for your album art in the ap
They worked just fine for me.and others, not sure why it didn't work for you
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160472)
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Why don't you point the creation of these bryston files to the scratch drive, or the internal user drive, or, if it must really be elsewhere, on at least a separate Bryston folder on one of the
Because if I didn't, third party mpd clients wouldn't be able to use them, see previous post
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I find my ipad mini crashing all the time with Soundirok and load the art is very slow not sure whats going on i tried all setting configurations.
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Because if I didn't, third party mpd clients wouldn't be able to use them, see previous post
Hi Chris
Since when did 3D party mpd clients start using the bdp_x.jpg files? I wasn't referring to the standard cover.jog or folder.jpg files, only to MM generated image files.
All clients I've used so far use these, I've even managed Soundirok to successfully show the cover.jpg ;-)
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They worked just fine for me.and others, not sure why it didn't work for you
I don't think you read my post, but i don't really care.
My album art works just fine, at high resolution and with complete coverage on Soundirok.
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I find my ipad mini crashing all the time with Soundirok and load the art is very slow not sure whats going on i tried all setting configurations.
Yes, my 3 yr old iPad Air is slow as well though it does not crash - I find I need to exit most other apps before using it. Based on Camper's post a few posts back, Soundirok really benefits from processor horsepower. The newest Soundirok is slightly better so the developer does seem to be working on the speed issue. Respect for the MPad developer Berrie, since his app speeded through pages of cover art without a problem even on the oldest iOS devices... too bad it is no longer supported.
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Since when did 3D party mpd clients start using the bdp_x.jpg files?
since you could specify a file name, which as far as i am aware have been all them that have supported getting cover art via a hosted web server
mpdroid
soundirok
mpad
and many others
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since you could specify a file name, which as far as i am aware have been all them that have supported getting cover art via a hosted web server
mpdroid
soundirok
mpad
and many others
Chris, this is getting into semantics here. What Marius and Krutsch were clearly referring to is that other apps do not go looking specifically for the Bryston-created thumbnails - of course they could be configured, if desired, to do so, since most allow the user to specify the (consistently used) name of the desired cover art image. The point was that virtually everyone who has moved into digital playback already has taken care of their cover art, almost always as part of the music data folder, and were using these while the various iterations of the Bryston user interface were evolving.
What you are missing a bit is that there is a principle here, that the customer takes responsibility for their music / data files, and Bryston takes care of the playback, while not in any way modifying the customers' data. I have in fact sold friends viewing my system on the Bryston approach (in contrast to using a computer for digital playback) by stressing just this principle, and for many it is a key feature in understanding why Bryston's digital playback approach is so sound. Before committing to the ripping, tagging, etc. required by a move to digital playback, they wanted to know that their hard work would be non-proprietary and portable to whatever future system emerged. By writing anything, no matter how well-intentioned or benign, to the customer's data files and folders, you compromise, admittedly slightly, this principle. Sometimes principles are important.
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Chris, this is getting into semantics here. What Marius and Krutsch were clearly referring to is that other apps do not go looking specifically for the Bryston-created thumbnails - of course they could be configured, if desired, to do so, since most allow the user to specify the (consistently used) name of the desired cover art image. The point was that virtually everyone who has moved into digital playback already has taken care of their cover art, almost always as part of the music data folder, and were using these while the various iterations of the Bryston user interface were evolving.
What you are missing a bit is that there is a principle here, that the customer takes responsibility for their music / data files, and Bryston takes care of the playback, while not in any way modifying the customers' data. I have in fact sold friends viewing my system on the Bryston approach (in contrast to using a computer for digital playback) by stressing just this principle, and for many it is a key feature in understanding why Bryston's digital playback approach is so sound. Before committing to the ripping, tagging, etc. required by a move to digital playback, they wanted to know that their hard work would be non-proprietary and portable to whatever future system emerged. By writing anything, no matter how well-intentioned or benign, to the customer's data files and folders, you compromise, admittedly slightly, this principle. Sometimes principles are important.
Thanks for this , I had begun to write my response to Chris, but yours is perfect. A big +1 to that. It's a bit the world upside down: We don't want to program all other clients to take it the Bryston way, (even if they could) we need Bryston to follow this principle and, if necessary, create a solution of its own in such a way it adheres to that.
User data in user folders , proprietary data in proprietary drive/folders.
Cheers Marius
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HI Krutsch,
Please help me here, i thought i had Soundirok settled, but i was wrong... I have all my music organized in a logical folder structure, main usb drives Classical, Pop, Jazz and MP3 (on a Nas). Soundirok mixes everything up, and sorts by artist or album... Resulting for example in Schubert - 19 lieder showing up next to Adele - 19, imagine the horror of that ;-)
Is there a way of showing my music in the folder-logic?
Ive tried to click New Intelligent set to no avail. Nothing happens so thats no solution for now.
Hope you can shed some light.
Cheers,
Marius
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Thanks for this , I had begun to write my response to Chris, but yours is perfect. A big +1 to that. It's a bit the world upside down: We don't want to program all other clients to take it the Bryston way, (even if they could) we need Bryston to follow this principle and, if necessary, create a solution of its own in such a way it adheres to that.
User data in user folders , proprietary data in proprietary drive/folders.
Cheers Marius
Ha - no worries Marius, it is about time that one of us helped you out! You have served all owners well through your countless trials, questions, suggestions on the Bryston systems over the past few years; most of us lack the patience you clearly have to work out each new feature. In contrast I am happy to "freeze" a system if it works for me (and to be fair Chris makes this quite clear in the MM manual - nobody is obligated to keep upgrading if they are happy with the current feature set). I can tell people "Shhh, my BDP-1 thinks it is just a CD player...."
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HI Krutsch,
Please help me here, i thought i had Soundirok settled, but i was wrong... I have all my music organized in a logical folder structure, main usb drives Classical, Pop, Jazz and MP3 (on a Nas). Soundirok mixes everything up, and sorts by artist or album... Resulting for example in Schubert - 19 lieder showing up next to Adele - 19, imagine the horror of that ;-)
Is there a way of showing my music in the folder-logic?
Ive tried to click New Intelligent set to no avail. Nothing happens so thats no solution for now.
Hope you can shed some light.
Cheers,
Marius
Hi Marius,
You have a couple of choices, depending on how your audio files are tagged.
If you have added "genre" tags, then simply browse by "Genres" from the top-level (i.e. Library view, tapping on the notes icon). Then, you will only see your Classical or Jazz albums and then you can swipe to the artist or album you are looking to play.
If you do NOT have genre tags, then the "Intelligent Set" feature can help you. Create a new intelligent set with a "Path" rule, where the path contains, for example, the word "Classical", which will show only audio files in which some part of the path contains the word "Classical".
My files are obsessively tagged, but I also split my collection across a pair of USB thumb drives (Corsair GTX). I am constantly downloading/ripping new music (I am afraid to tally-up what I spend on new music :o ) and to keep track of what's new, I have a folder called: New Music.
Under New Music, I have Artist/Album sub-folders for the new stuff; over time, I move these albums into the main library folders.
With Soundirok, I've created an Intelligent Set called: "New Music" with a single rule; matching any audio files that have a Path component containing "New Music".
Let us know if you need more ideas on how to proceed with your collection.
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Great idea Krutsch, thanks.
Intelligent set based on a path rule. I will have to figure out how to go there, because when i click on New intelligent set, nothing seems to happen. (of course that's why i didn't figure that one out myself.... :D )
Tags I've never added, so i may have to rely on automatic tags when ripped or existing ones on downloads. Guess that won't be the solution to my issue.
I feel for your 'new music' approach. Thats why i asked Chris a long time ago if it were possible to have an automatic playlist based on most recently added files, which he made for us consequently :thumb:
Ill try and see if this your approach won't be even better, though i always like to have my files where they belong based on category, and don't like to move them around too much. Have been reorganizing my cd's and lp's in the past too much for that.. As it stands now, i have all my libraries, virtual and in real life, organized the same way, which works best for me.
New intelligent sets might add to that, since one wouldnt have to reorganize the files themselves, only a descriptor of those files, and i am most certainly going to experiment with that.
Thanks! Cheers,Marius
Hi Marius,
You have a couple of choices, depending on how your audio files are tagged.
If you have added "genre" tags, then simply browse by "Genres" from the top-level (i.e. Library view, tapping on the notes icon). Then, you will only see your Classical or Jazz albums and then you can swipe to the artist or album you are looking to play.
If you do NOT have genre tags, then the "Intelligent Set" feature can help you. Create a new intelligent set with a "Path" rule, where the path contains, for example, the word "Classical", which will show only audio files in which some part of the path contains the word "Classical".
My files are obsessively tagged, but I also split my collection across a pair of USB thumb drives (Corsair GTX). I am constantly downloading/ripping new music (I am afraid to tally-up what I spend on new music :o ) and to keep track of what's new, I have a folder called: New Music.
Under New Music, I have Artist/Album sub-folders for the new stuff; over time, I move these albums into the main library folders.
With Soundirok, I've created an Intelligent Set called: "New Music" with a single rule; matching any audio files that have a Path component containing "New Music".
Let us know if you need more ideas on how to proceed with your collection.
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I can't seem to scroll through my library without a crash. Soundirok just shuts down. I'm running a first gen iPad mini with lots of available memory. Any ideas?
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I can't seem to scroll through my library without a crash. Soundirok just shuts down. I'm running a first gen iPad mini with lots of available memory. Any ideas?
No idea, but you might try refreshing the Soundirok database and/or clearing the album art cache (same menu). Maybe re-fetching everything from scratch will fix something.
It's been solid for me, but YMMV.
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No idea, but you might try refreshing the Soundirok database and/or clearing the album art cache (same menu). Maybe re-fetching everything from scratch will fix something.
It's been solid for me, but YMMV.
Ya i think i might reinstall it see how that goes its not usable the way it is thanks Krutsch.
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so much for that working i guess my Ipad is tired. Good thing MM works well. Can't view my booklets tho
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so much for that working i guess my Ipad is tired. Good thing MM works well. Can't view my booklets tho
Hi XMAN
I have some issues as well at home - it loads OK but for the life of me I can not get album art to work.
If it crashes I just close it and reopen it and it works OK other than no album art.
Now here's the weird part it works great at work.
james
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Hi XMAN
I have some issues as well at home - it loads OK but for the life of me I can not get album art to work.
If it crashes I just close it and reopen it and it works OK other than no album art.
Now here's the weird part it works great at work.
james
It's got to be the art files on your home unit do you have a jpg for every file? Is the music selection bigger at home? Is it the same ipad you use at work? My art loads but it takes forever to display and it struggles to scroll through the files.
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Hi XMAN
I have some issues as well at home - it loads OK but for the life of me I can not get album art to work.
If it crashes I just close it and reopen it and it works OK other than no album art.
Now here's the weird part it works great at work.
james
Hmm... that sounds like a Bonjour problem with the URL being used to access the remote artwork.
I am assuming you are using different machines (BDPs) with different setups within Soundirok (i.e. you are NOT using bryston-bdp-2.local for both instances in which case I would anticipate problems with Soundirok's cache).
In any case, try replacing the "bryston-bdp-2.local" part in the setup with the actual IP address which, hopefully, is being assigned a consistent value by the router based on the MAC address. See if that changes anything.
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Hmm... that sounds like a Bonjour problem with the URL being used to access the remote artwork.
I am assuming you are using different machines (BDPs) with different setups within Soundirok (i.e. you are NOT using bryston-bdp-2.local for both instances in which case I would anticipate problems with Soundirok's cache).
In any case, try replacing the "bryston-bdp-2.local" part in the setup with the actual IP address which, hopefully, is being assigned a consistent value by the router based on the MAC address. See if that changes anything.
Hi
Yes I use the IP address at home as well as at work.
I use the IP address for both the BDP-3 I am using as well as Soundirok so maybe that's the issue at home.
james
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Hi Daniel,
We’ve noticed Soundirok can hang while loading the MPD database and managed to narrow it down to a single file which is linked below and thought you’d like to know about it.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dqzgltxyzko77aq/Soundirok.zip?dl=0
This file does have a ‘\’ as the last character of the artist tag which we think is the culprit
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi Daniel,
We’ve noticed Soundirok can hang while loading the MPD database and managed to narrow it down to a single file which is linked below and thought you’d like to know about it.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dqzgltxyzko77aq/Soundirok.zip?dl=0
This file does have a ‘\’ as the last character of the artist tag which we think is the culprit
Cheers,
Chris
This might be related to the problem i've been having. An update just came in but still very slow to load art
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Yes it solved my issue with getting album art but it does take some time to load initially.
Can't believe one file out of 40,000 caused the hangup. :duh:
james
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Yes it solved my issue with getting album art but it does take some time to load initially.
Can't believe one file out of 40,000 caused the hangup. :duh:
james
Mine is still unusable
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Mine is still unusable
Try starting the app with a single thumbdrive with only a few songs and see what happens.
james
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Try starting the app with a single thumbdrive with only a few songs and see what happens.
james
Mine isn't retaining the album art it reloads all the time even tho i have it set to retain its probably my ipad MM work very well however just wish it was able to read my booklets
I made a few intelligent files 19 albums work ok but even as little as 70 albums and there is a problem.
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I bought and loaded Soundirok onto my iPad and I am very impressed. I was using MPaD but it is a bit clunky when dealing with playlists.
Because I had set up my files & artwork to display properly on MPaD, Soundirok had no trouble displaying my artists & albums.
Playlists I had setup on MPaD were read and worked easily.
I am using Soundirok to control my new SOtM SMS-200 in MPD/DLNA mode and it works very well.
Maybe the developer should get in touch with SOtM and offer his app with the purchase of an SMS-200.
I suspect that the SOtM will sell very well and Soundirok could leverage sales to this user group.
The combination of Soundirok and the SOtM SMS-200 into my DAC (Auralic Vega) has delivered the best sound I have heard from my system.
Hi fellas. I have an sotm sms-200 too with soundirok and I can´t get any cover.
ClothEars, can you explain how?
Also, I can´t play dsd, even my dac does. Any ideas?
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Just started using Soundirok app again.
WOW !!!!!, Just tried Journal view, never noticed this before. Web links, artist info and similar artists.
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...tried Soundirok today with iphone7 with bad results. it took HOURS to load the songs (2.8 tb on external hdd). so i stopped it. however, have to check it again later...
but maybe it's me again who did something wrong :scratch: :icon_lol:
i'm getting old, i think :green:
al.
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I am experiencing a problem with the new version. I updated the MPD database and when it went into refreshing the Soundirok database it crashed.
I now can't keep it running for more than 2 seconds before it crashes again. I checked for the files mentioned by James Tanner but they are not on my hard drive.
Anyone else having these problems?
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Been using Soundirok for a few hours this morning on my iPhone and Android, both appear to be running ok. Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling Soundirok? Also could you post a screenshot of your device settings, perhaps its an option your using?
Chris
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The issue is with the hard drive contents. If I load a different drive with say 20 albums on it and update the database it works fine.
It's when I attempt this with my drive that has 2.5GB of .WAV files that it crashes. It has worked without a problem on the same 2.5GB drive up to this latest version.
I have also tried another drive with about 2.2GB of files and it crashes as well so it's not an actual drive fault. I have emailed Daniel for a solution.
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I believe it was mentioned earlier in this thread that someone had code to download Artist pics to give a different photo for the “Artist” view
I have manually added what I label Cover pics versus Folder pics up to the letter D, and while I love the additional pic, the time it took to get to D is preventing me from finishing the project (5+k albums)
Any help on how to do this efficiently?