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Industry Circles => LampizatOr => Topic started by: jknecht on 24 Jan 2021, 08:44 pm
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I ordered a Baltic 3 recently and currently waiting for delivery. I’m curious if anyone here owns one and what are your impressions?
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I am curious how long a wait time your were quoted and, if you have already received it, how you liked it.
Thanks!
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No Baltic 3 owners here? It looks like one of LampizatOr's best deals.
I just ordered one and hopefully will be able to post something once it breaks in. I also have a pretty good stash of tubes to roll with it including many 12AU7 and 6SN7-VT-231, 7N7, plus a Brimar 5r4gy rectifier that is has been gathering dust in my drawer for about 20 years .
I am also looking to buy a pair of 6F8G/VT-99 plus some high quality adapters.
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I ordered in Feb 2021 and received in 11 weeks.
It is an amazing DAC and greatly bettered the Berkeley Alpha (original model) it replaced.
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I ordered in Feb 2021 and received in 11 weeks.
It is an amazing DAC and greatly bettered the Berkeley Alpha (original model) it replaced.
Aside from the usual tube advantages such as better tonal qualities and soundstaging, does Lampizator Baltic 3 better the Berkeley Alpha in terms of detail/resolution?
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Hi,
Any other recent purchases/reviews? Specifically wondering how much better it sound than the Amber 3.
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https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/lampizator-baltic-3.32079/
Lots of information on the sound signature and tube rolling for the Baltic.
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Baltic 3 next on my list
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My Baltic has been in my system for a couple of months now. I am very happy with it especially after some tube rolling and moving to some Final Touch Audio cables. It seems to really compliment my Linear Tube Audio Ultralinear Integrated amp perfectly.
My current tube complement is a Tungsol 5Z3 rectifier, a pair of RCA 5962's and a pair of Telefunken smooth plate 12AU7s. I have found that the rectifier makes a big difference.
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I know tube rolling is one of the main reasons many will purchase a Lampi. I have a Baltic 3 on order and will probably play with tubes a bit after burn but I wonder if anyone has noticed this in the owners manual?
"We sell the DAC with the best tubes we can find in consistent sustainable supply.
Therefore we feel you should not be tempted to change them for any reason.
If you feel that you MUST try other types of tubes – we need to pre-authorize it in
writing. Otherwise you loose the warranty, sorry"
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I know tube rolling is one of the main reasons many will purchase a Lampi. I have a Baltic 3 on order and will probably play with tubes a bit after burn but I wonder if anyone has noticed this in the owners manual?
"We sell the DAC with the best tubes we can find in consistent sustainable supply.
Therefore we feel you should not be tempted to change them for any reason.
If you feel that you MUST try other types of tubes – we need to pre-authorize it in
writing. Otherwise you loose the warranty, sorry"
I believe the main word there is “type”. I don’t think the warranty is voided for substituting a different brand of the same tube type, however a different type means different voltage, etc and may damage the unit. This is common in the audio industry.
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I know tube rolling is one of the main reasons many will purchase a Lampi. I have a Baltic 3 on order and will probably play with tubes a bit after burn but I wonder if anyone has noticed this in the owners manual?
"We sell the DAC with the best tubes we can find in consistent sustainable supply.
Therefore we feel you should not be tempted to change them for any reason.
If you feel that you MUST try other types of tubes – we need to pre-authorize it in
writing. Otherwise you loose the warranty, sorry"
I read this also. It is a bit odd. The key words in the first sentence are "consistent sustainable supply". They are not saying that these are the best tubes, just that they can get them in quantity when they need them. Saying that "you should not be tempted to change them for any reason" is a bit weird. May NOS tubes will easily best the tubes they provide.
As someone pointed out, it is using a different type of tube that will lose your warranty, not a different brand or variant. If in doubt just email them.
My guess is that from previous experience they are just covering themselves from DIY users' tube rolling self-inflicted wounds.
Having said all of this I am wildly happy will my Baltic 3. I now use a Sophia Aqua 274 rectifier, a NOS 6SN7WGT and a Telefunken 12AU7.
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Anyone happen to know if the Lampi Baltic 3 is what would accurately be described as a "dual-mono" DAC with respect to it's circuit topology? I haven't figured out how to get the cover off mine and there's no schematic.
Thanks, gents.
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New Baltic 3 arrived. 12 week lead time. The newest models NO LONGER have the high / low gain switch. Otherwise as expected. Very nice piece, no issues with synergy or sound in my current set-up. Purchased through Rob via Lampizator North America.
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Taking my time w/ the new B3, still using the stock tubes, at least for a few more weeks. The one thing I did notice is that it did not pair well/ synergize with my SOTM USB regen. The soundstage shrunk and I was localizing speakers. I removed the SOTM out of the chain and went direct to my Innuos Zenith mk3 w/ FTA Callisto USB in line. Going direct opened up the soundstage again and allowed for the speakers to disappear as they had in the past in the room. Meh, not all gear has synergy, moved the SOTM to the 2nd floor smaller near-field listening room.
No complaints thus far, I am withholding forming any detailed opinions until the tubes and unit have had at least 100hrs of play time, just so that everything settles in. The unit is running balanced XLR direct into my Vinnie Rossi L2iSE feeding various speakers as my mood changes.
As it stands unless something drastic changes I can see myself enjoying this piece for years to come.
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New Baltic 3 arrived. 12 week lead time. The newest models NO LONGER have the high / low gain switch. Otherwise as expected.
Did you know in advance that the gain switch was deleted? I just ordered mine and waiting on delivery, however the gain switch is a requirement for me, and all their manuals state that it is still there.
Cheers,
Sid
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Did you know in advance that the gain switch was deleted? I just ordered mine and waiting on delivery, however the gain switch is a requirement for me, and all their manuals state that it is still there.
Cheers,
Sid
I received my Baltic 3 about four weeks ago. I was surprised to find it did not have the gain switch but it is not an issue for me.
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I received my Baltic 3 about four weeks ago. I was surprised to find it did not have the gain switch but it is not an issue for me.
Ok thanks, personally it is a deal-breaker for me. I have informed my local dealer and also sent an e-mail to Lampi. When I was buying the unit I was solely looking at the specs. on both their US and Polish websites and both showed that this feature was available - my dealer never informed me that this feature had been deleted, even after I sent him details about what tubes I wanted - not sure if this will happen or not now either as it was based on the details shown on the website. I am now concerned that I have to deal with high gain into my pre. which a few users of other Lampi's have already complained about.
Anyways it is a roll of the dice of me after having paid a substantial amount. Wish I had paid more attention and asked for further details.
Cheers,
Sid
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Did you know in advance that the gain switch was deleted? I just ordered mine and waiting on delivery, however the gain switch is a requirement for me, and all their manuals state that it is still there.
Cheers,
Sid
Get a hold of Fred at Lampizatorna@gmail.com. He can tell you if it's been deleted and, if it is, it's possible he can get it installed on your unit.
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Did you know in advance that the gain switch was deleted? I just ordered mine and waiting on delivery, however the gain switch is a requirement for me, and all their manuals state that it is still there.
Cheers,
Sid
Sid, no the most recent changes made to the newest B3 were a surprise to me. The unit sounds excellent but the gain switch omission was a complete surprise. I emailed Poland and never received a response and Rob @ Lampi North was quick to point out the change was for improved performance. Unbeknownst to me if you want a high/low gain switch you now have to ask for it.
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Thanks a lot Nickmimi and Geerock. I have emailed my dealer and lampizator also that I want the switch, and will pay for it if required.
Cheers,
Sid
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I got a mail from Lukasz, that he can include the switch. Highly appreciative of the quick response from Lukasz, also the responses of the members here.
Thank you.
Cheers,
Sid
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Sid, no the most recent changes made to the newest B3 were a surprise to me. The unit sounds excellent but the gain switch omission was a complete surprise. I emailed Poland and never received a response and Rob @ Lampi North was quick to point out the change was for improved performance. Unbeknownst to me if you want a high/low gain switch you now have to ask for it.
I have a 6 month old unit that has a gain switch. I thought that I would need to use it as my integrated amp already has a lot of gain.
What I found was that when I used the lower gain I lost some sound quality. I should say that it just sounded "less wonderful". My guess is that they decided the same?
One thing that I did pay extra for is a switch to allow me to use 12SN7s. You can often get "Holy Grail" 12SN7s at a fraction of the cost of the same tube in the 6v version. I think that it cost $200 extra. You will save that the first time you do not have to pay the toll for a highly sought after 6SN7.
BTW. Does anyone know what brand/type/model of rectifier they are now supplying with the Baltic?
Best.
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Pretty sure they are sending them out with the psVane entry level 274b. That's what my nephew got with his a few weeks ago. But you can call for upgraded tubes depending on what's available. Europe is having a hell of a time with new tube production right now. I heard a friends Big 7 mk2 that came with the basic psVane 274b and 101d's and I knew he could do much better. A much better tube is the WE replica from psVane......and many others. He changed the 101d's to those and I lent him a Phillip's 5u4g for a rectifier from the 50's and it was WOW!
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Pretty sure they are sending them out with the psVane entry level 274b. That's what my nephew got with his a few weeks ago. But you can call for upgraded tubes depending on what's available. Europe is having a hell of a time with new tube production right now. I heard a friends Big 7 mk2 that came with the basic psVane 274b and 101d's and I knew he could do much better. A much better tube is the WE replica from psVane......and many others. He changed the 101d's to those and I lent him a Phillip's 5u4g for a rectifier from the 50's and it was WOW!
I received my Baltic last month. It came with a Phillips/JAN/5R4GA Rectifier, the usual Psvane (Blue Ball) 6SN7-BEs and electra-harmonix 12BH7s. I have just started to roll the 6SN7s.
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I received my Baltic March 23rd with Phillips 5R4GA Rectifier, JJ 6sn7, and Psvane 12AU7-S. I did not get a gain switch even though it was advertised on the website as having one. I am satisfied with the set 3 v gain, works for me. I noticed a recent add on Audiogon which states a hi/lo gain switch included, no option listed. I have been burning in with 3-4 hours daily about 4-5 days a week. I am not in a rush. I did try a few pair of Ken-Rad and Tungsol NOS tubes, the Tungsol being the better match for my taste. The JJs sound pretty good so far with the Tungsol having better bass definition and dynamics, but not by much. I do not have an alternate rectifier yet.
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I too received my B3 last month. It came with a Phillips/JAN/5R4GA Rectifier, the usual Psvane (Blue Ball) 6SN7-BEs and electro-harmonix 12BH7s. Haven't rolled yet, i want some more hours on the electronics as is so I can develop a good personal reference point for the units abilities as it stands.
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It seems to be a crap shoot as to what tubes are installed for delivery but I don't have a problem with that as most of us change them anyway.
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on the head fi forums, a lot of fans of the lampizator, I myself do not have one or heard of them, but definitely curious to try some time soon!