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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => The Vinyl Circle => Topic started by: mix4fix on 1 Oct 2018, 04:13 pm
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https://www.thehouseofmarley.com/speakers/stir-it-up-turntable.html
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The price tells you everything you need to know. I ain't mad though cause you know what? All these House of Marley products represent Rita Marley finally, FINALLY regaining legal power over the use of Marley's name. So all the bajillion posters and merchandising over these decades - she and the family got nothing from that. Nothing; and Bob is arguably the most recognizable and ubiquitous face world-wide.
So if after all these years the family wants to cash in with marked up products - sounds fine by me. They deserve it.
That said the table is easy on the eyes and if you're gonna have a crappy table you might as well support an environmentally-friendly one.
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To most of the world a turntable is a turntable --- you have one or you don't. Quality is not considered, just utility. The price is certainly not exploitive and this table could whet an appetite for better performing gear once the bit is in.
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I think it’s fine just as long as you don’t spin records on it and place the needle in the groove of the album.
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Bamboo plinth so it's fairly rigid. Looks a lot better than a Crosley. Might be on the same level as the U-Turn Turntables. Fairly decent for entry level TT.
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You could actually buy a Pro-ject or a MusicHall
Pro-Ject Debut Carbon same price and vastly better.
One look at the arm on the op TT and YIKES. Give it a pass.
Way way better around at the same price.
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Might be on the same level as the U-Turn Turntables.
I highly, highly doubt that.
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looks like a POS ...........
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twitch54
"looks like a POS ..........."
looks like a POS ...........Special.
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You could actually buy a Pro-ject or a MusicHall
Pro-Ject Debut Carbon same price and vastly better.
One look at the arm on the op TT and YIKES. Give it a pass.
Way way better around at the same price.
The Orbit would also belong on that list.
Good for the Marley family to be making $ finally (I'm sure they got screwed royally for years) but, as Elizabeth says, I'd look elsewhere even at the budget price point.
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I would never buy that turntable. I have a Nottingham Analogue. If I needed a replacement, I would look at Pear Audio since it is similar design if I couldn't find another Nottingham.
I am curious about some of the cheap turntables like the $329/$359 Marantz, $329 Denon, and other similar priced ones.
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Looks like a pared-down Shinola, which itself is a pared-down entry-level VPI .
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Has anyone actually seen this turntable in person or have an opportunity to listen to it?
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Has anyone actually seen this turntable in person or have an opportunity to listen to it?
no, life's too short
same thing applies to $8 bottle's of cab ................
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OK .3% speed accuracy ain't inspiring. At least when your kids break/bend the stylus -it's cheap and readily available - instead of just being relabeled . It's hard to judge arms -sold a pile of AR tables back in the day -their arms looked like they were designed by General Kalashnikov - but worked quit well. If they are talking 200 bucks after discount - might be OK ( My definition of "OK" when it comes to turntables is it won't permanently damage records played on it.)
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We are not the target demographic. This is a lifestyle product, not an audiophile one. Not much point in comparing it to audiophile tables.
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if it doesn't destroy vinyl like a Crosley does, no complaints from me will be had.
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What about some of the cheap turntables like the $329/$359 Marantz, $329 Denon, and other similar priced ones?
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They play music, they don't damage records, and actually have a hint of vinyl magic. But they're on the lifeless side of dynamics and have reduced soundstage and imaging with a veiled presentation of detail. It's kinda hard to determine if it's the cheap cartridge or the table that's lacking, but the same Grado Gold on a Pro-ject Debut that sounded rather ordinary came to life on a VPI HW19 Jr with Rega RB300. So it depends on application, they're fine for the lake house or dorm room, not so much in your main rig.
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What's killing our shared hobby/obsession is the lack of introductory products - folks who bought a AR XA with a Dynaco SCA-80 or 35 -added a set of Dynaco A-25's or AR-4x's -were not buyin the best available back then. Certainly not the most expensive. Lots of folks stopped right there and used that equipment for decades and really enjoyed the music it brought into their lives. And for some of them - it was the introduction to a life long ( and maybe checkbook draining) obsession. I really appreciate products like the classic Dynaco or NAD 3020 (ART DJ pre-II today)- that were just a small audible step up from good 'nuff -but could wet their users appetite for better.
Todays h$end audio is mostly un-interesting to me - the limited production runs and concentration on cosmetic design elements create products that simply don't seem worth the price to me as a consumer.
So - venting over : Point of any turntable/arm/cart is -does it damage records that are played on
it ? At least the pics are pretty ? LP playback is like democracy - never perfect/always improvable.
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I really don’t know why some of you guys are slating it, how can you slate what you have not heard? Some of you sound like audio snubs. If you are on this forum, chances are it’s not aimed at you. People have to start somewhere and hopefully the people that buy turntables like this will get into it and want better later on down the road. Some of you guys talk as if you all started on the high-end of things, bet most of you started with something a lot lower than what you have now.
If you guys keep talking like you do about people getting into audio, they will all think we are all snubs which will put them off and we will not get new people into our hobby.
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I really don’t know why some of you guys are slating it, how can you slate what you have not heard? Some of you sound like audio snubs. If you are on this forum, chances are it’s not aimed at you. People have to start somewhere and hopefully the people that buy turntables like this will get into it and want better later on down the road. Some of you guys talk as if you all started on the high-end of things, bet most of you started with something a lot lower than what you have now.
If you guys keep talking like you do about people getting into audio, they will all think we are all snubs which will put them off and we will not get new people into our hobby.
I feel that's the case with music, and not so much with the equipment.
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What's killing our shared hobby/obsession is the lack of introductory products - folks who bought a AR XA with a Dynaco SCA-80 or 35 -added a set of Dynaco A-25's or AR-4x's -were not buyin the best available back then. Certainly not the most expensive. Lots of folks stopped right there and used that equipment for decades and really enjoyed the music it brought into their lives. And for some of them - it was the introduction to a life long ( and maybe checkbook draining) obsession. I really appreciate products like the classic Dynaco or NAD 3020 (ART DJ pre-II today)- that were just a small audible step up from good 'nuff -but could wet their users appetite for better.
Todays h$end audio is mostly un-interesting to me - the limited production runs and concentration on cosmetic design elements create products that simply don't seem worth the price to me as a consumer.
Well put. I am in agreement with all of that. The first 'real hi fi' I heard consisted of a low-end Dual TT with low end Shure cart (the ubiquitous M91E), low end Nikko amp, and a pair low-end AR4-somethings. I can still remember the goosebumps I got listening to Abraxas the first time. I started saving my allowance and cutting lawns etc, and about a year later I had the SCA-80 (kit) and A-25's you mention along with my own Dual TT. That system cost me 330 1971 dollars and gave me almost a decade of musical satisfaction, until I got the soldering itch again. According to an internet inflation calculator, that is right around $2K in today's money.
By contrast, the equipment at the last show I did the math for averaged $58K, not including a few thou to plug it in and connect the various pieces to each other.
It is possible to get satisfying reproduction of music in the home for a lot less than that.
Also, I take Toocool4's point. But I also think I'd go with the Pro-Ject or MusicHall nominated by Elizabeth (or the Orbit), because a) These companies have track records and b) Something about 'This-is-good-because-Bob-Marley's-name-is-on-it' makes me feel like I'm being snookered. I'll take the TT without the music star name on it.
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1. It is not being sold to the audiophile market
2. The only table near this price range I would recommend is the U-Turn, mainly for their lauded customer service. Some of these other budget audiophile tables folks are recommending are hardly any better than the Marley in terms of quality - I have done my fair share of research on them over the years and they have QC issues out the wazoo. The only thing they would have up on the Marley would be the arm.
3.It is not being sold to the audiophile market.
4. Turntables do not have the production infrastructure of 30+ plus years ago, which is why we are supposed to believe light and cheaply made belt drives with decent arms are supposed to be good enough under <1k. It is a retro niche that will not meet any of the standards of yesteryear without spending a lot of money new.
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I would never buy that turntable. I have a Nottingham Analogue. If I needed a replacement, I would look at Pear Audio since it is similar design if I couldn't find another Nottingham.
I am curious about some of the cheap turntables like the $329/$359 Marantz, $329 Denon, and other similar priced ones.
I touch one of those cheap Marantz the other day. It is an automatic turntable.
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Toocool4
"I really don’t know why some of you guys are slating it, how can you slate what you have not heard? Some of you sound like audio snubs. If you are on this forum, chances are it’s not aimed at you. People have to start somewhere and hopefully the people that buy turntables like this will get into it and want better later on down the road. Some of you guys talk as if you all started on the high-end of things, bet most of you started with something a lot lower than what you have now.
If you guys keep talking like you do about people getting into audio, they will all think we are all snubs which will put them off and we will not get new people into our hobby."
Fair enough. I will take back all of my comments regarding this table. BUT I would find out about the tracking/tone arm/alignment details. Because some cheaper turntables will not track the groove of an album properly and can damage ALL the records albums you put on the table. So people who have thousands of dollars in record albums so that would not want a TT that would do that.
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Toocool4
"I really don’t know why some of you guys are slating it, how can you slate what you have not heard? Some of you sound like audio snubs. If you are on this forum, chances are it’s not aimed at you. People have to start somewhere and hopefully the people that buy turntables like this will get into it and want better later on down the road. Some of you guys talk as if you all started on the high-end of things, bet most of you started with something a lot lower than what you have now.
If you guys keep talking like you do about people getting into audio, they will all think we are all snubs which will put them off and we will not get new people into our hobby."
Fair enough. I will take back all of my comments regarding this table. BUT I would find out about the tracking/tone arm/alignment details. Because some cheaper turntables will not track the groove of an album properly and can damage ALL the records albums you put on the table. So people who have thousands of dollars in record albums so that would not want a TT that would do that.
point taken and I see your point. Regardless, as someone who has been around analog longer than most(I'm 65) there was no internet, forums, etc when I started out so I had little to go buy(as far as valued judgement from those who followed before me) now everybody with a keyboard is an expert( I don't exclude myself here) but to re-phrase my original post ............. 'I'd look elseware'