[James Romeyn]

Exploit is spelled m-e-x-i-c-o.  Safety net?  If you can't work & feed yourself & your immediate family can or will not feed you, you die.  In natural resources one of the most wealthy countries on earth.  But corrupt beyond description.  They make Kenneth Lay look like Sister Theresa.  I don't remember Lay being charged with murder.  (I am not apologizing for Lay.)  Mexico?  If you are a cop or judge not owned by a drug lord you are also definitely dead.  Presidente Fox?  C'mon...his answer to Mexican corruption is to send them across the border with little lunch pails & a phony ID card.  Do your realize how well protected Mexico's southern border is from their neighboring country?  Gee, I wonder why?  I am not apologizing for true US corporate exploitation, which obviously exists, but please maintain a realistic sense of scale & contrast.  My 2c.

[Mad DOg]

The BG 28" is fragile and unreliable, and I speak from experience.  BG warrants their OEM products for 60 days.  Their sensitivity is low, they have a nasty 6.5 kHz cavity resonance, and their LF extension is poor.  Not my choice at all.

Big B,

since you modify the ribbons you use in your VMPS speakers, it is highly likely that Mark is modifying the BG ribbon. after all, if he produces a "fragile and unreliable" end product, he's going to have to deal with the warranty issues so this makes no sense.

[Brian Cheney]

The BG ferrite panels measure fairly flat.  Since they are long they tend to develop IM problems.  I vividly remember a 50" panel that broke up on female vocals, but since the problem did not manifest itself with a sine sweep BG claimed the problem didn't exist.  We would get them bad out of the box, or they would develop problems in the field, and BG would routinely deny warranty.  I doubt Mark's designer knew about this when he chose the 28" panel which is notorious for failures.  Do a search at AA and you'll see what I mean.  BG is still billing me for repairs they initially did under warranty, then decided months later were not warrantable.  They also continue to bill me for product never shipped, and for sample  product I returned to them years ago.  Letters, faxes, and phone calls were to no avail. Sorry, I dislike these people intensely.

[Dunedain]

johnr_in_la:  Those "lower" steel prices were because foreign governments were writing
tax payer checks to subsidize the steel companies in their own countries, thus enabling
them to undercut american steel companies.  The price was artificial, the "higher" price
you talk about is the real price of steel, after the tariffs take away some of the subsidy part
of the imported steel price.

Bush hit them with tariffs because U.S. steel companies have been having to "compete"
with these foreign steel companies that were supplementing their bottom lines with
tax money from their governments (notice how socialists find it so easy to give away
other peoples' money?  it's called stealing...).

These foreign steel companies got away with this garbage for years, the tariffs don't
even fully compensate for the unfairly lost sales to american steel companies.

Anyhow, enough of this topic.  I've ended comment on it already in the other thread where
it came up.  

I'm just glad VMPS speakers are made almost totally in the U.S.  

[Audio Architect]

You guys are way way way off topic. People don't come to this site or other audio sites to read about politics.

[rosconey]

audio architect-did you ever complete the custom rm40's you talked about?

[mlschifter]

Hello...

I felt this thread probably should get a copy of the new post I just put up...

Apologies in advance if this offends any of you...

Thanks...

++++++++++++++++++

Good Afternoon…

The meeting has just let out… and I wanted to let everyone here know the results of our get together…

Let me first say how great it was to spend some time with Big B and John C. (bioforce)… We all had a good time… and we managed to cover a lot of ground in less than 3 hours…

I’m really delighted to announce that we have reached an agreement in principle to begin producing all of the cabinets for VMPS in our new facility in The PRC. Samples were ordered today… and the future looks very bright indeed. I’m personally very pleased and excited about all of this…

We also spent some time going over some future endeavors that we can collaborate on… I believe Brian and John were extremely interested in my ideas and a particular “vision of the future” as I see it… and where we can help each other next year… I can share with you this… everyone is going to bring something interesting and valuable to the plate… and the results should be something extra special.

There will be more information as time goes on… but rest assured, together we are all moving very quickly now… and VMPS has my full and complete support in every conceivable way.

Thanks for your continued interest… and look for more announcements about all of this (finishes, delivery times etc.) in the next few weeks.

Wishing you all the very best…

Mark L. Schifter

[ejaeger]

Mr. Cheney of VMPS has made factually incorrect statements in this forum about amounts we have billed him and other items.  We have asked him privately to correct these statements and given him time to do so, and he has refused.  As these statements, if left unchallenged, could leave the impression that we were attempting to defraud VMPS and/or Mr. Cheney we are publishing correspondence related to the allegations he made.  It is not our policy to challenge anyone’s legitimate opinion of our products, these statements are in relation only to the publicly posted defamatory statements which can be disproven by fact but have not been voluntarily retracted by Mr. Cheney after appropriate notice and opportunity.

[Remainder may be seen in duplicate post:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=5793.msg50029#50029

--borg]

[Brian Cheney]

Mr Jaeger has published his side of the story which I will not comment upon. He does fail to mention the letter sent by me by Mr. Ellis in Nov 2000 in which BG announces that warranty on BG products is 60 days from shipment.  That, and his failure to deliver the 8" ferrite panels I ordered, led me to switch vendors.

It is my understanding that BG has been purchased by the Martin Logan company.  Perhaps with new people, engineers and manufacturing techniques BG can make a product satisfactory to all their customers.

[ejaeger]

It is my understanding that BG has been purchased by the Martin Logan company.  Perhaps with new people, engineers and manufacturing techniques BG can make a product satisfactory to all their customers.

You are incorrect.  We have not been purchased by MartinLogan.  We have not been so approached by MartinLogan.

[Brian Cheney]

My apologies if the statement about Martin Logan purchasing BG is not factual.  I stand corrected.

[Down South]

Exploit is spelled m-e-x-i-c-o.  Safety net?  If you can't work & feed yourself & your immediate family can or will not feed you, you die.  In natural resources one of the most wealthy countries on earth.  But corrupt beyond description.  They make Kenneth Lay look like Sister Theresa.  I don't remember Lay being charged with murder.  (I am not apologizing for Lay.)  Mexico?  If you are a cop or judge not owned by a drug lord you are also definitely dead.  Presidente Fox?  C'mon...his answer to Mexican corr ...

As one who actually lives in Mexico, has for several years, and who married a Mexican woman with 3 children I have to tell you that you are about 30% right.
Is corruption rampant-Yep, it's almost as bad as in the USSA.
Is it more in the open, yes. It's just hidden better in the U.S., or to look at it in a Mexican perspective, they're more honest about their corruption here.
Have the policies of Sr. Fox improved the problems with corruption? Very definitely, but mostly at the federal level. Here the federal government doesn't dictate to to the states and counties as much as in the U.S..
Are the people being exploited? Yes, by the same companies that are exploiting people all over the world, plus many specific to Mexico.
As to dying because you cannot feed your family, I have never seen it, and I know of several government, church and private programs to feed and clothe the poor. Why are the drug people so powerful? The US's insane "War on Drugs". Same thing that happened with the Mafia during Prohibition has happened now with different drugs and different organizations.  I lived in several countries before I decided to live here.
There is only one country I would prefer to Mexico in some aspects, and I guarantee you it is not the United Socialist States of America.
Unfortunately the news in the US is highly censored and slanted.
Try getting your information from other places in the world, or actually living there, if you want a more balanced and factual perspective.
Please don't take this as a personal attack.
I read your comments about audio with interest.
There you seem to know your subject.

[ejaeger]

...To date we remain unpaid despite numerous requests...

It has come to my attention that VMPS has settled their account, and I wish to have the record accurately reflect this fact.

[John Casler]

Hi All,

Since the topic has veered well off course, I have sent the current thread debating drugs, to the Debate Club

[John Casler]

Well I thought this would work, but apparently the "Debate Club" circle does not accept threads without "locking them" (which was not my intention)

So if you wish to continue this thread, start it anew in an "open" circle that is appropriate.

[James Romeyn]

Thanks John, sorry for the departure from the original thread.