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Title: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JohnR on 23 Apr 2012, 08:41 am
I'd like to maintain a list of speakers with digital input. Price is not relevant - just that the speaker has a digital input. They will thus be "active" in the sense that the DAC and amplification are built-in to the speaker. An actual active crossover is optional. It also means that at least one of the following inputs is available:

* Coax digital (RCA, BNC, or XLR)
* Optical digital
* USB, Firewire, Thunderbolt etc that supports audio data
* Wireless streaming from a reasonably well-supported platform (i.e. not entirely/exclusively proprietary)

Furthermore, the speaker must support uncompressed audio at a minimum of 16-bit/44.1 kHz. iPod-dockable speakers do not count unless they support digital out from the iPod (or have at least one of the above).

If you have knowledge of such a speaker not yet in the list below, or additional information to provide, please post! Please at a minimum provide the name of the manufacturer and a link to the manufacturer's specification webpage. If possible, please also post the key specifications as in the list below.

NOTE: Speakers will not be listed if the digital input specifications are not stated on the manufacturer's webpage.

Prices given are typical "street" price from online retailers, or RRP if not commonly discounted. For consistency, prices in this list are always for a pair. Sample rate is typically maximum available, presumably lower rates are supported as well. Obviously, prices and specifications are subject to change, this list is intended only as a guide for those interested in this type of speaker.

Template: Speaker name (http://feed.me). RRP. Two way, 6.5" woofer, 1" tweeter. Digital input type and sample rate. 



Adam ARTist 3 (http://www.adam-audio.com/en/multimedia/products/artist-3/technical-data). USD1000. Two way, 4.5" woofer, AMT tweeter. USB only, sample rate unknown. 

Adam ARTist 5 (http://www.adam-audio.com/en/multimedia/products/artist-5/technical-data). USD1200. Two way, 5.5" woofer, AMT tweeter. USB only, sample rate unknown.

AktiMate Maxi (http://www.aktimate.com.au/maxi.html). USD1099, AUD849. Two way, 6.5" woofer, 1" tweeter. Streaming over Ethernet RJ45 or Wi Fi 802.11b/g; Reciva internet radio, FM radio; USB memory stick. 

Aktimate Micro (http://www.aktimate.com.au/micro.html). USD500, AUD335. Two-way, 4" woofer, dome tweeter. USB 16-bit 44.1/48 kHz digital input.

Alesis M1Active 320 USB (http://www.alesis.com/m1active520usb). USD99, AUD159. Two-way, 3" woofer, 1" dome tweeter. USB 16-bit 44.1/48 kHz digital input.

Alesis M1Active 520 USB (http://www.alesis.com/m1active520usb). USD199, AUD?. Two-way, 5" woofer, 1" dome tweeter. USB 16-bit 44.1/48 kHz digital input.

AVI ADM9T (http://www.avihifi.co.uk/adm9.html). GBP 1,000, AUD 1995. Two-way, 6.5" woofer, 1" dome tweeter. 2x 24-bit 96 kHz optical digital input. Subwoofer output, line output.

B&W MM-1 (http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speakers/iPod-and-Computer-Speakers/MM-1/overview.html). AUD 595. Two-way, 3" woofer, 1" dome tweeter. ?-bit ? kHz USB digital input.

Behringer MS20 (http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/MS20.aspx). AUD 179. Two-way, 3.5" woofer, 2.5" tweeter. 24-bit 96 kHz optical and coax digital input.

Behringer MS40 (http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/MS40.aspx). AUD 202. Two-way, 5" woofer, 2.5" tweeter. 24-bit 96 kHz optical and coax digital input.

Dynaudio Xeo. (Working on this one.... All I can say right now is they need a new web developer)

Geitan RL 906D (http://www.me-geithain.de/index.php/en/studio/products/active-loudspeaker/rl906d). GBP 3259.20. Two-way co-axial, 5" woofer, 1" tweeter. ?-bit/? kHz AES-EBU digital input.

Grimm Audio LS 1 (http://www.grimmaudio.com/pro_loudspeakers_ls1.htm). EUR10,000, USD15,495. Two-way, 8" woofer, 1" tweeter. ?-bit/192 kHz AES-EBU digital input.

JBL LSR4326P (http://www.jblpro.com/catalog/general/Product.aspx?PId=27&MId=5). USD1100, AUD1400. Two-way, 6.25" woofer, 1" silk dome in waveguide, 24-bit/96kHz Coax and AES/EBU. Inbuilt room mode correction w/mic.

JBL LSR4328P (http://www.jblpro.com/catalog/general/Product.aspx?PId=28&MId=5). USD1560, AUD1850. Two-way, 8" woofer, 1" silk dome in waveguide, 24-bit/96kHz Coax and AES/EBU. Inbuilt room mode correction w/mic.

KEF X300 (http://www.kef.com/html/au/showroom/digital_music_solutions/X300A/overview/). GBP599, USD799, AUD1385. Two-way, 5" woofer, 1" aluminium dome tweeter coaxially mounted, 24-bit/96kHz USB.

KS Digital ADM20 (http://ksaudio.com/ks-digital/adm20/adm20.html). GBP2959. Two way, 8" woofer, 1" tweeter. AES/EBU 44.1 - 96 kHz.

Meridian DSP5200 (http://www.meridian-audio.com/the-collection/loudspeakers/dsp5200-digital-active-loudspeaker.aspx). ~USD13,000, ~AUD17,000. 2.5-way, 2x160mm woofer, 25mm tweeter. 24-bit/96 kHz coax digital input, Meridian Speakerlink digital

Meridian DSP7200 (http://www.meridian-audio.com/the-collection/loudspeakers/dsp7200-digital-active-loudspeaker.aspx). USD35,000, AUD45,000. 3.5-way, 2x200mm woofer, 165mm midrange, 25mm tweeter. 24-bit/96 kHz coax digital input, Meridian Speakerlink digital

Meridian DSP8000 (http://www.meridian-audio.com/the-collection/loudspeakers/dsp8000-digital-active-loudspeaker.aspx). USD65,000, AUD76,000. 3.5-way, 6x200mm woofer, 165mm midrange, 25mm tweeter. 24-bit/96 kHz coax digital input, Meridian Speakerlink digital

Neumann KH 120 D (http://www.neumann-kh-line.com/neumann-kh/home_en.nsf/root/prof-monitoring_studio-monitors_nearfield-monitors_KH120A). Pricing: Not yet available. Two-way, 5' woofer, 1" tweeter (waveguide). 24-bit/192 kHz BNC/XLR digital input.

Neumann KH 310 D (http://www.neumann-kh-line.com/neumann-kh/home_en.nsf/root/prof-monitoring_studio-monitors_nearfield-monitors_KH310A). Pricing: Not yet available. 3-way, 210mm woofer, 75mm midrange, 25mm tweeter. 24-bit/192 kHz S/PDIF and AES/ABU digital inputs.

Samson StudioDock 3i (http://www.samsontech.com/samson/products/studio-monitors/studiodock/studiodock3i/). AUD224. Two-way, 3" woofer, 1" dome tweeter. USB ?-bit, ?-kHz digital input.

Samson Studio GT (http://www.samsontech.com/samson/products/studio-monitors/studio-gt/studiogt/). AUD274. Two-way, 4" woofer, 1" dome tweeter. USB 16-bit, 44.1/48-kHz digital input.

Vanatoo Transparent One (http://www.vanatoo.com/products/?slug=index.php&cPath=23_26). USD499. Two-way, 5" woofer, 1" silk dome tweeter. USB, coax and optical input, 24-bit/96kHz. Subwoofer out.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JLM on 23 Apr 2012, 10:28 am
Many studio monitors have digital inputs.  One of the better compact 2-ways is the Neuman KH 120 ($1500 USD/pair), it even has remote volume and digital outputs (to chain to additional speakers).  And there is a KH 120D (digital only input) version.

Neuman has been pretty much the undisputed king of microphone manufacturing for decades.  They now own Seinheiser and Klein & Hummel (that has built high quality studio monitors for a long time).

Thanks for providing an intro to active designs.   :thumb:
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JohnR on 23 Apr 2012, 10:53 am
Thank you, added the Neumann  :thumb:
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: jtwrace on 23 Apr 2012, 10:57 am
Grimm Audio LS-1

http://www.grimmaudio.com/pro_loudspeakers_ls1.htm
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JohnR on 23 Apr 2012, 11:20 am
Thanks Jason, added to the list. I came up a bit short on concrete information on the LS 1, if you could help fill in any of the blanks - ?

USD ??, AUD ?. Two-way, ? woofer, ? tweeter (waveguide). ?-bit/? kHz ?/? digital input.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JohnR on 23 Apr 2012, 11:35 am
Added Behringer  :scratch:
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: Letitroll98 on 23 Apr 2012, 01:57 pm
AktiMate Maxi http://www.aktimate.com.au/maxi.html (http://www.aktimate.com.au/maxi.html) $1099.00 US, Two way, Woofer 6 1/2 inches, Tweeter 1 inch, FR 48 Hz - 28 kHz, USB, Ethernet RJ45, Wi Fi 802.11b/g, Reciva internet radio, FM radio. 

I don't know why the "Mini", the middle of the line, only uses USB for charging.  I mean, why bother when you have the DACs available in the other speakers.

Yes on the sticky.  When you posted your original thread on the AktiMate Micro I was struck by the possibilities.  This could definitely be the future of midfi audio for the masses, and possibly for high end audio as well.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: dhrab on 23 Apr 2012, 02:18 pm
Sorry I don't have any of the facts or figures .. but Meridian has a few speakers that may fit well on your list ..

Here is a link to the  DSP5200  with 3 75w amps and Digital in ...

 http://www.meridian-audio.com/the-collection/loudspeakers/dsp5200-digital-active-loudspeaker.aspx

I also saw a DSP7200 .. but only gave it a quick look .. I'm sure there are more in the line that may interest you 

 
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: srb on 23 Apr 2012, 03:12 pm
JBL LSR4326P USD $1330 (~$1100 street) 6.25" woofer, 1" silk dome in waveguide, 150W/75W, S/PDIF Coax & AES/EBU, 24-bit/96KHz

JBL LSR4328P USD $1910 (~$1560 street) 8" woofer, 1" silk dome in waveguide, 150W/75W, S/PDIF Coax & AES/EBU, 24-bit/96KHz

http://www.jblpro.com/catalog/support/getfile.aspx?doctype=3&docid=571

Both have Room Mode Correction with microphone, Remote Control and Control Center software through USB

Steve
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: wagnju on 23 Apr 2012, 04:57 pm
here's some info on the Grimm LS-1
price is 10,000 Euros that's about 13,000 USD

 http://www.hifinews.co.uk/news/article.asp?a=9814




Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JohnR on 23 Apr 2012, 11:55 pm
Thanks! Added Maxi, JBL, and Meridian.

I don't know why the "Mini", the middle of the line, only uses USB for charging.  I mean, why bother when you have the DACs available in the other speakers.

A note: The USB on the Maxi is for a memory stick, not for computer connection.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JohnR on 24 Apr 2012, 12:03 am
here's some info on the Grimm LS-1
price is 10,000 Euros that's about 13,000 USD

 http://www.hifinews.co.uk/news/article.asp?a=9814

Thanks! Found a retailer online - USD15,495
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: randytsuch on 24 Apr 2012, 12:25 am
Alesis makes the 520
http://www.alesis.com/m1active520usb (http://www.alesis.com/m1active520usb)

They also make a smaller, cheaper 320. 
http://www.alesis.com/m1active320usb (http://www.alesis.com/m1active320usb)

Randy
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JohnR on 26 Apr 2012, 01:13 pm
Thanks Randy!

Price wise, the list so far spans from $99 to $65,000. So price is not a factor in this class of speaker.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: James Romeyn on 1 Jul 2012, 01:36 am
I often like Dynaudio speakers.  Unfortunately, the Xeo premiered at 2012 CES was dog-poop top to bottom.  Reminded me of the worst type of sound from audio cassette tape.  Absolutely no idea if its inherent in the design or just a show anomaly, which is very possible...may have just finished assembling them the night before.  Dynaudio are known for needing long burn-in.  IIRC I briefly heard my own source after hearing Dynaudio's awful program, and results were similarly bad. 
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: Donald on 1 Jul 2012, 02:13 pm
Here is another offering:

http://www.makeraudio.com/

Heard these at Axpona 2012 in Jacksonville. Very impressive!
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: Letitroll98 on 2 Jul 2012, 02:53 pm
Here is another offering:

http://www.makeraudio.com/

Heard these at Axpona 2012 in Jacksonville. Very impressive!

At $35,500 to $56,700 depending on options I would hope they're impressive.   :o

Thanks for the addition.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JohnR on 2 Jul 2012, 03:03 pm
Awesome, thanks! I'll update the first post in a day or two. Also to add B&W MM1.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JLM on 3 Jul 2012, 10:44 am
BTW the AviHiFi ADM-9T does include a DAC, so just add a PC, Mac, or server.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JohnR on 3 Jul 2012, 11:16 am
BTW the AviHiFi ADM-9T does include a DAC, so just add a PC, Mac, or server.

To be on this list, the speaker has to have a DAC included.

On that note, I'm having a little trouble figuring out what exactly the specs/capabilities of the Maker Audio speakers are. The specs of the Model 10 say "Input Type RCA/ Balanced".
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JohnR on 3 Jul 2012, 11:25 am
Added the B&W MM-1 to the list (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=105702.msg1081039#msg1081039). A bit short on some specs.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: dehory on 7 Sep 2013, 02:47 am
Adam Artist 3 (http://www.adam-audio.com/en/multimedia/products/artist-3/technical-data) (review (http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/adam-artist-3-desktop-speakers)) and Artist 5 (http://www.adam-audio.com/en/multimedia/products/artist-5/technical-data) (hands-on (http://www.cepro.com/article/hands_on_adam_audio_artist_5_active_monitor/))
USB digital input (sadly, no SPDIF/coax). RRP is $1000 for the 3s and $1200 for the 5s (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=adam+artist&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=).

If pro studio monitors are being considered, the very nice and very expensive Klein + Hummel O300D (http://www.prosoundnetwork.com/article/klein--hummel-o300d-powered-loudspeakers/720) (review (http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Oct04/articles/kh300d.htm)) is an option. The Neumann KH 120 D mentioned earlier in the thread still seems to be pending release (http://www.neumann-kh-line.com/neumann-kh/home_en.nsf/root/prof-monitoring_studio-monitors_nearfield-monitors_KH120D).
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: Russell Dawkins on 16 Oct 2013, 07:07 pm
If pro studio monitors are being considered, the very nice and very expensive Klein + Hummel O300D (http://www.prosoundnetwork.com/article/klein--hummel-o300d-powered-loudspeakers/720) (review (http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Oct04/articles/kh300d.htm)) is an option. The Neumann KH 120 D mentioned earlier in the thread still seems to be pending release (http://www.neumann-kh-line.com/neumann-kh/home_en.nsf/root/prof-monitoring_studio-monitors_nearfield-monitors_KH120D).
The new Neumann KH310 is a relative bargain when the amplification is considered - just over half the price of the real competition. Hugh Robjohns, who reviewed (and loved) the 0300 in the link you posted has bought the review pair of 310s. You can bet K+H is working feverishly on the 310D (with digital input).
Another digital input monitor of very high caliber is the new Geithain RL 906D, which has an AES/EBU (3pin XLR) digital input:
http://www.me-geithain.de/index.php/en/studio/products/active-loudspeaker/rl906d

..and a note to JLM: Neumann does not own Sennheiser; Sennheiser bought Neumann in 1991 and Klein und Hummel in 2005 and cleverly decided to put the Neumann name on the superb K+H studio monitors and use the Sennheiser name for the PA and installed sound speakers made by K+H. Neumann and Sennheiser are both well recognized and respected brands, where K+H was unknown, although the world's first self-powered studio monitor maker, to my knowledge. They made the OY from 1967 to 1987 which was a bi-amplified three way with a configuration very much like the 0300/310:
http://www.neumann-kh-line.com/neumann-kh/home_en.nsf/root/prof-monitoring_discontinued-monitors_studio-products_OY

K+H (now Neumann) and Geithain are widely used in the German professional sound community, including the radio and television system.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: Russell Dawkins on 16 Oct 2013, 10:02 pm
P.S. the "real competition" I referred to above is the ATC SCM25 which sells for $8000 vs $4500 a pair.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JeffB on 17 Oct 2013, 12:02 am
How do you get stereo to a pair of speakers?
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: Russell Dawkins on 17 Oct 2013, 01:12 am
How do you get stereo to a pair of speakers?

There is a switch on the back with a left/right/both selection.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JeffB on 17 Oct 2013, 02:01 am
So if you have SPDIF digital coaxial do you use a simple y-splitter?
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: srb on 17 Oct 2013, 02:17 am
So if you have SPDIF digital coaxial do you use a simple y-splitter?

There are some digital speakers that have an digital output to connect to the other speaker and a selector switch on each speaker determines whether the L or R channel (or both) is decoded.

With these, it assumes you probably have a pro digital workstation or board with multiple digital AES/EBU outputs.  If not, you would need a splitter box or cable (< $100), which can be a passive low-loss transformer coupled unit (or if a Y-cable, the transformers are built into the cable) which should be no problem for the short distances required between L and R speakers.

Steve
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JohnR on 17 Oct 2013, 07:14 am
The new Neumann KH310 is a relative bargain when the amplification is considered - just over half the price of the real competition. Hugh Robjohns, who reviewed (and loved) the 0300 in the link you posted has bought the review pair of 310s. You can bet K+H is working feverishly on the 310D (with digital input).
Another digital input monitor of very high caliber is the new Geithain RL 906D, which has an AES/EBU (3pin XLR) digital input:
http://www.me-geithain.de/index.php/en/studio/products/active-loudspeaker/rl906d

Thanks Russell, I've added these to the list. I'm confused about the comment about the 310D, as the PDF block diagram for the 310 A..... oh and just now the penny drops.... A and D... duh... well, so I'm not sure if the pricing info is correct.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JohnR on 17 Oct 2013, 07:15 am
Bamberg Series 3  (compact full-range 3-way) will be released next month in active DSP format via Hypex AS2.100. 

http://bambergaudio.com/products/in-development/s3-id.php (http://bambergaudio.com/products/in-development/s3-id.php)

Thanks Phil, but the link says absolutely nothing about the DSP version. If you could update when you have actual info, pricing etc, I'll add it to the list. Thanks  :thumb:
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: Russell Dawkins on 17 Oct 2013, 08:16 am
Just to be clear, John, the Neumann KH310 is not yet available in the D model, nor is the KH120D, which according to Neumann is due out in early 2014. The 310, at the same price as the K+H 0300 which it replaces is better in a number of ways, not least of which is the greater headroom in the bass. Apparently max levels are around 6 dB greater than the 0300 which was already great in this regard - to all but massive bass lovers. Headroom in the midrange is already outstanding, thanks to the tri-amplification and the three inch dome mid, but apparently even that has improved. I think a pair of 310s at $4500 and a pair of 0810 subs at $5400 (flat to 19Hz) would make a $9900 system that I would like to see anyone better at the price, just as the KH 310s are not bettered by any other combination of amps and speakers I am aware of at the price.

I know the D/A converter on the Neumann KH 120 will be 16-24 bit and 32-192k capable, so the D/A for the 310 will be, too, for sure. Hard to say what the premium will be, though - I'm guessing $2300 vs $1500 for the pair of KH120Ds vs KH 120As, and $5500 for the KH310Ds.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JohnR on 17 Oct 2013, 09:38 am
Just to be clear, John, the Neumann KH310 is not yet available in the D model, nor is the KH120D, which according to Neumann is due out in early 2014.

Well... I'm just wondering if I should take them off the list - ? well... how about I just put annotate the descriptions.

I wonder what the holdup is. The 310D does look awesome.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: Russell Dawkins on 17 Oct 2013, 05:17 pm
Well... I'm just wondering if I should take them off the list - ? well... how about I just put annotate the descriptions.

I wonder what the holdup is. The 310D does look awesome.
I guess the holdup may be something to do with the fact that the Neumann name carries a tremendous amount of weight in the professional sound community and Sennheiser wants to be sure that anything going out under that name be exceedingly well tested and fine-tuned. Neumann is arguably the pre-eminent name in microphones globally, and has been for at least 50 years. This is the first time the name has been applied to transducers at the other end of the chain, and I'm sure the decision was not taken lightly by anyone at Sennheiser, Neumann or Klein and Hummel.

It was, after all, 7 years after Sennheiser acquired Klein und Hummel that the first Neumann branded speaker materialized, and it was widely considered to be better than the model it replaced. That was no mean feat, as the Neumann KH120 replaced the K+H 0110 which, as a small monitor, was already considered exceptional by many.

The K+H 0300 was also held in the highest regard by many and must have been difficult to improve upon. The problem is that the K+H line, in its 5 models from smallest to largest, makes so much sense that improving it would not involve changing the fundamental configuration, but improving the performance. K+H models already performed so well that this must be a real challenge.

In designing the digital model of the KH310 they might be allowing for or trying to decide whether to incorporate the feature of allowing for an external digital room compensation system as was provided for the K+H 0300D and higher models in the line (0410, 0500, and the three bigger subs). This is the Pro C-28 and is mind-bogglingly flexible, but also expensive:
http://www.neumann-kh-line.com/neumann-kh/home_en.nsf/root/prof-monitoring_studio-electronic_ProC28#
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JLM on 17 Oct 2013, 09:43 pm
Current street price for the Adam Artist 3 is $800/pair.

Please add Quad 9AS:  $1300/pair; 2-way; RCA, 3.5 mini plug, USB, coax, optical inputs; 24/192 DAC; cherry veneer; remote/front controls; limited information
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: yetis on 24 Oct 2013, 05:28 pm
This is a most informative post.  One question, does anyone know of any in-wall powered DSP loudspeakers options?   I am well aware of the Meridian options

https://www.meridian-audio.com/en/collections/products/dsp520-in-wall-loudspeaker/34/ (https://www.meridian-audio.com/en/collections/products/dsp520-in-wall-loudspeaker/34/)

https://www.meridian-audio.com/en/collections/products/dsp640-in-wall-loudspeaker/35/ (https://www.meridian-audio.com/en/collections/products/dsp640-in-wall-loudspeaker/35/)

Are there any others?

Also, are people surprised you don't see more manufacturers getting into high end DSP's, similar to what Meridian does?
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JLM on 25 Oct 2013, 09:43 am
yetis,

I'm surprised that there is still such a big gap between studio engineers and audiophiles, after all they serve us and we depend on them.  But I can understand why after long days, weeks, years of listening to 'whatever' the studio guy wouldn't have an appetite for more music at home (just like the fast food worker not wanting to eat hamburgers at home).  I know the purpose of studio work is to find and try to fix all the warts versus the audiophile simply wanting to enjoy (and hopefully appreciate what was done in the studio).  And I know the studio approach (cheaper/dry sounding speakers used near field) doesn't fit the audiophile model of 'proper' room, setup, synergized components, etc.

The resistance to self-powered speakers is just part of this mutual "un-respect" gulf.  Studio guys would like better (more accurately) sounding monitors, but like audiophiles can lack funds or proper space.  But its unfortunate that so few audiophiles don't accept the inherent advantages of active speaker design.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: Russell Dawkins on 25 Oct 2013, 09:14 pm

 ... And I know the studio approach (cheaper/dry sounding speakers used near field) doesn't fit the audiophile model of 'proper' room, setup, synergized components, etc. ...


It is worth noting that this approach characterizes amateur low-budget studios, but not serious ones - except for the "dry-sounding" descriptor, which applies to some of the best studio monitors (like Neumann/K+H, Trident HG3 and various ATCs, but not PMC, in spite of what their acronymic name - Professional Monitor Company - suggests). This dry vs wet bass, I think, is a current problem in that almost all domestic-aimed speakers of which I am aware are "wet" (resonant) in the bass - because the temptation to use bass reflex techniques to increase bass output in otherwise too-small boxes almost inevitably results in this. For the same reasons most (especially cheaper) studio monitors are of the same variety and have similar wooly, smeared, wet or one-note bass.

A side effect of this is that bass reflex speakers tend to have a sonic signature in the bass region (the "one note") which means that the mix made by the engineer will sound truly as intended at mixdown only on the same speakers the music was mixed on. If the monitors were dry in the bass regions as is usually the case with sealed boxes like the Neumanns KH 310s  and the Yamaha NS-10s then the mix tends to translate better to more speakers although, again, bass reflex types will display their characteristic bloom in the nether regions.
Click on the pdf link halfway down this well-informed article for some illuminating graphs. Note particularly the waterfall plots, especially for the K+H 198, the Yamaha NS10, the PMC and the ATC:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep08/articles/yamahans10.htm
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: Russell Dawkins on 10 Mar 2014, 07:38 am
Well for the sake of completeness I'm bring up these KS Digital Studio monitors.
http://ksaudio.com/ks-digital/adm20/adm20.html
I just learned of them today, and have not heard them, but some engineers with significant experience in top studios, like George Martin's "Air" Studio (see the videos on the site) endorse them in the strongest terms. Digital inputs of up to 24/192 are accepted and the digital models are unique to my knowledge in using FIR-type dsp. FIR stands for finite impulse response and, although the science is beyond me, I understand it to be the sounding due to the lack of phase distortion around the crossover frequency. It is not usually seen due either to heavy cpu hit or difficulty of design - I simply don't know.

I do know these speakers are very expensive by the usual fairly modest pro standards. The two way ADM 20 (8" woofer, 1" tweeter; 200/100w) ,which was so highly spoken of in the video review by Swiss engineer Sirio Balmelli (see "about us" page; one over from top left) is $4950USD each, for example.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: Russell Dawkins on 10 Mar 2014, 07:48 am
...and the matching subwoofers are $3600 each - but they do replace a stand, and shipping is "free" to North America so that's 17,100 a pair.
Hmmm, the JBL M2's go for $20,000 a pair. That would be a shoot out I'd like to hear. 8)
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: Russell Dawkins on 10 Mar 2014, 07:51 am
That would be a shoot out I'd like to hear. 8)

...especially since they both claim roughly the same peak spl. (123 - 125dB).
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JohnR on 23 Apr 2014, 02:08 pm
Adam Artist 3 (http://www.adam-audio.com/en/multimedia/products/artist-3/technical-data) (review (http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/adam-artist-3-desktop-speakers)) and Artist 5 (http://www.adam-audio.com/en/multimedia/products/artist-5/technical-data) (hands-on (http://www.cepro.com/article/hands_on_adam_audio_artist_5_active_monitor/))
USB digital input (sadly, no SPDIF/coax). RRP is $1000 for the 3s and $1200 for the 5s (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=adam+artist&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=).

If pro studio monitors are being considered, the very nice and very expensive Klein + Hummel O300D (http://www.prosoundnetwork.com/article/klein--hummel-o300d-powered-loudspeakers/720) (review (http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Oct04/articles/kh300d.htm)) is an option. The Neumann KH 120 D mentioned earlier in the thread still seems to be pending release (http://www.neumann-kh-line.com/neumann-kh/home_en.nsf/root/prof-monitoring_studio-monitors_nearfield-monitors_KH120D).

Thanks! Added the Adams. The 300D seems to be discontinued.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: JohnR on 23 Apr 2014, 02:13 pm
Well for the sake of completeness I'm bring up these KS Digital Studio monitors.
http://ksaudio.com/ks-digital/adm20/adm20.html

Thanks Russell, added them to the list.
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: musiclear on 12 Jun 2014, 04:28 pm
Surprised that no one has offered up one of the finest digital speakers around.

The Bamberg Series 3

It's been on the streets for a couple months now.

Offered in several options ranging from a digital satellite with I believe a 6" woofer and tweeter or that satellite sitting on a sub cabinet.

More info here: http://bambergaudio.com/products/series3/3tmw.php
Title: Re: Speakers with Digital Input
Post by: so on 7 Apr 2016, 03:23 pm
Hello JohnR,

I have a few candidates for your list:
The German brand Nubert, which sells directly to consumers, taking orders via internet or phone, has a whole range of digital speakers.
They all have:
-optical and coaxial digital inputs (maximum 96 KHz, 24 bit)
-usb input (speakers are recognized as a sound card)(a little bit odd: maximum 48 KHz, 24 bits)
-analog inputs (asymmetrical cinch)
-digital crossover
-digital power amplifiers
-analog mono subwoofer output
-remote control with volume, bass, treble, input selection, on-off
-more settings possible in menu, for example balance, low-cutoff-frequency

the models are:
nuPro A-100, A-200, A-300, A-500 and A-700 (the latter 2 are floorstanders).

For what it's worth: They all get outstanding reviews, for example the German magazine Stereoplay concludes that the A-700 (2530 Euro pairprice) is the best active floorstanding speaker under 10,000 Euro pairprice.

The character of these speakers is said to be very neutral, studio-monitor like.

Webpage:
http://www.nubert.de/nupro-serie/420/

(uhum, I was just now checking out the site and to my surprise I didn't find an Englisch section, it's all in German as far as I can see. I can understand if that's a problem but decided to go ahead with this post anyway because these speakers seem to be very interesting.)