Kef ls60 improvements

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Formerviggenowner

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Kef ls60 improvements
« on: 29 Feb 2024, 02:18 pm »
I’m Steven and building a new system around kef ls60.  I was wondering if there are any good tweaks for these speakers

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Re: Kef ls60 improvements
« Reply #1 on: 29 Feb 2024, 05:52 pm »
I’m Steven and building a new system around kef ls60.  I was wondering if there are any good tweaks for these speakers
Buy a speaker that you don't need adjust or modify,
unless its a inexpensive vintage speaker IMO.

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Re: Kef ls60 improvements
« Reply #2 on: 1 Mar 2024, 02:41 pm »
Buy a speaker that you don't need adjust or modify,
unless its a inexpensive vintage speaker IMO.
I'm sure it's not intended, but that's not a very helpful or welcoming reply to someone who's asking specifically about building a system around the LS60.

This may not be particularly helpful either (and it's not really a "tweak"), but I had LS50s for quite a while, and I believe that many of their attributes also apply to their big brother.
I'd consider thinking about how to integrate a good subwoofer into your system. I've had great success with a REL Serie /S sub using REL's extremely fast and effective wireless interface. This enables you to place the sub in a location that works both acoustically and from a design standpoint (and I'm guessing that design is important to someone who's selected the LS60).
My REL allows my main speakers to do what they do best (imaging, coherence, tonality, air, etc.), and it doesn't muddy their sound. Even though the sub is located behind and to the right of my primary listening position, it appears that the extended bass and fullness comes from the main speakers in front of me.
Good luck!

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Re: Kef ls60 improvements
« Reply #3 on: 1 Mar 2024, 03:04 pm »
Formerviggenowner, if you have already made up your mind to get the LS60’s. I would recommend getting the speakers, live with them for a while get a feel to what they do. Once you have a handle on what they do or don’t do, then decide if you need to tweak.
If anyone tells you what to do before you have lived with the speakers, may or may not work for you. What they are saying may be what worked for them in their room, with their own system.

Let your ears be the judge.

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Re: Kef ls60 improvements
« Reply #4 on: 1 Mar 2024, 04:23 pm »
I'm sure it's not intended, but that's not a very helpful or welcoming reply to someone who's asking specifically about building a system around the LS60.
Understood, no ofence intended. So being more useful I could recommend listening before buying and if he don't like it or find the sound too artificial, definitely don't buy it.

Some additional tweaks:
To increase the bass partially stuff the inside of the box with a certain amount of the usual brown blanket 15mm or 20mm (5mm dont works) used on car hood.

To reduce midrange and treble paint all the inside of the box matte black. No manufacturer does this, it must be expensive for them to buy paint and pay a painter. To this date I have only seen this in a French Cabasse speaker from the 1990s, but it was widely used in automotive subs.


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Re: Kef ls60 improvements
« Reply #5 on: 20 May 2024, 06:04 pm »
@formerviggenowner - so, how'd it go?  Get the LS60's?  How do you like them?

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Re: Kef ls60 improvements
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 07:08 pm »

 
You want recommend of associated bits or do you want to go inside the box and improve it?

This is basically an “ultimate BlueTooth“ speaker. But if you want max performance use wires.

$10k for the speakers, a couple grand on a streamer is where i would start.

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Re: Kef ls60 improvements
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 08:14 pm »
In no particular order and depending upon your view of these items:

subwoofers,
room treatments of various types,
power conditioning,
power cords,
speaker isolation or coupling platforms,
dedicated A/C circuit
speaker positioning




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Re: Kef ls60 improvements
« Reply #8 on: Today at 12:09 am »
the LS60 shouldn't need a sub.


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Re: Kef ls60 improvements
« Reply #10 on: Today at 02:57 pm »
I went to listen to the LS60s in January. I had the room in the store to myself since it was the middle of the day. It was at a dealer that carried a range of KEF, Focal, and McIntosh equipment. They had four different rooms, and the LS60s were in a 20 x 20 living room open at the back. It was furnished like a typical living room with a carpeted floor and a sofa in the listening position. The LS60s were streaming Tidal via WiFi. I asked if we could try an ethernet connection (since my intended use was playing locally stored files via Roon), but he couldn't set that up.

I had seen Erin's measurements and review (the Youtube video linked above), so made sure to adjust the toe-in to try 10° off axis as well as a few other orientations. The speakers were about 3 feet from the wall behind them. They had room to breath, and there was nothing else playing in the store; I was the only customer.

The sound was very disappointing. The tonality was good, as the flat in-room response would suggest. The bass was full and present, and there was reasonable left-to-right imaging. Otherwise they were some of the worst loudspeakers I've heard in the price range. It would be hard to put together a $5000 system with a poorer performance unless it was done haphazardly. No matter what I tried with positioning, the soundstage depth was constrained, the timbre of instruments was off and cartoonish, there was little texture in the bass, and detail overall was lacking. I was listening to tracks that I've heard hundreds of times on a number of systems, so I had a clear reference for the various details of the presentation that I might hear.

KEF can make very good-sounding speakers that do not have these issues, so I had to conclude that the need to fit all of the electronic components inside the speaker cabinet, the use of a lower-cost digital crossover, and the quality of the streamer/DAC were all holding back the speakers' performance significantly. After trying for nearly an hour to get some better sound from the LS60s, I had to conclude that they were just a lifestyle product meant to look nice, be convenient for audio and video, and present a casually pleasing sound without the polish or refinement that can be achieved with separate components.

This is, however, just one data point. It could be that the room, although a very realistic and unchallenging setting, was throwing something off in the sound. Perhaps the AC in the shop was really noisy even though no other systems were playing. Maybe they were a bad pair or my hearing was off that day.