Night Club System

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Frankie Sugo

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Night Club System
« on: 6 Jul 2024, 01:00 pm »
Hello, new member here

I’d like to ask this community their advice and experience with audio systems in a lounge/nightclub setting. I’m in the early planning phases.   I’ve decided to go all Bryston electronics for their workhorse performance, clarity and most importantly reliability. Speakers and speaker types are undecided.  The atmosphere at the club will be mostly more intimate with lounge seating and a bar area. The goal is to offer beautiful sounding music, so I’m not after the typical PA speakers.  I have mixed thoughts of whether to go with ceiling mounters or Bookshelf or have Floorstanders.  I love the idea of showcasing the new Bryston T10 Floorstanders. I worry about having them damaged though by curious crowds. Venue size is on the small side, about 2500 sf, but that may change. Are the new Bryston speakers suitable for a public venue, where hopefully there will be large crowds. There are dealers that provide commercial systems but I’d like to hear thoughts from this Bryston neighbourhood.

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Re: Night Club System
« Reply #1 on: 6 Jul 2024, 02:14 pm »
Hi Frankie - we supply chicken wire around the speakers for nightclub applications ! :lol:

Frankie Sugo

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Re: Night Club System
« Reply #2 on: 6 Jul 2024, 02:31 pm »
Will the chicken wire affect the dispersion? Can I get it in red…with electricity? :D

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Re: Night Club System
« Reply #3 on: 6 Jul 2024, 03:15 pm »
 :thumb:

Mag

Re: Night Club System
« Reply #4 on: 6 Jul 2024, 03:26 pm »
   I have the Model T passives used in an unconventional setup where I use reflections off the wall to create a wide soundstage that seems to project off the front wall. I believe though not proven could be scaled up to a room such as yours.
  The idea is to take Model T's or now the bigger versions and place them about 15 to 20 feet apart. The unconventional thing is you will then aim these speakers at reflective panels placed near the speakers. The sound then reflects off these panels to the front wall and you will get a wide beautiful soundstage coming off the wall, given you a wide sweetspot. These reflective panels just by moving the speaker toe-in a inch or two, you can move the imaging left or right to get it centered.
  Like I said my theory hasn't been tested or proven to work in a larger room, but I believe in would work. Oh, and I find my Model T's to be room friendly. Like I have all kinds of crap in the room yet it doesn't seem to interfere with the soundstage. :smoke:

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Re: Night Club System
« Reply #5 on: 6 Jul 2024, 04:48 pm »
Hard to say without seeing the layout

For good coverage I would hang front ported or sealed book shelf speakers in the corners, use an AVR/pre in multi-stereo mode and make sure left and right channels remain separated in the mix on each side of the room. You could go vintage speakers and the listening bar vibe:

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/listening-bars-music-us-vinyl-los-angeles-tokyo-japan-music-nightlife-a8952096.html

Frankie Sugo

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Re: Night Club System
« Reply #6 on: 6 Jul 2024, 07:32 pm »
Hard to say without seeing the layout

For good coverage I would hang front ported or sealed book shelf speakers in the corners, use an AVR/pre in multi-stereo mode and make sure left and right channels remain separated in the mix on each side of the room. You could go vintage speakers and the listening bar vibe:

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/listening-bars-music-us-vinyl-los-angeles-tokyo-japan-music-nightlife-a8952096.html

Thanks for the article; inspiring. I love the look of that vintage mixer.

Frankie Sugo

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Re: Night Club System
« Reply #7 on: 6 Jul 2024, 07:36 pm »
   I have the Model T passives used in an unconventional setup where I use reflections off the wall to create a wide soundstage that seems to project off the front wall. I believe though not proven could be scaled up to a room such as yours.
  The idea is to take Model T's or now the bigger versions and place them about 15 to 20 feet apart. The unconventional thing is you will then aim these speakers at reflective panels placed near the speakers. The sound then reflects off these panels to the front wall and you will get a wide beautiful soundstage coming off the wall, given you a wide sweetspot. These reflective panels just by moving the speaker toe-in a inch or two, you can move the imaging left or right to get it centered.
  Like I said my theory hasn't been tested or proven to work in a larger room, but I believe in would work. Oh, and I find my Model T's to be room friendly. Like I have all kinds of crap in the room yet it doesn't seem to interfere with the soundstage. :smoke:

Does it work if you point the speakers directly to the front wall, on an angle, without the reflectors?   Maybe I’ll try it with the home system.

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Re: Night Club System
« Reply #8 on: 6 Jul 2024, 09:00 pm »
Does it work if you point the speakers directly to the front wall, on an angle, without the reflectors?   Maybe I’ll try it with the home system.

Never tried that. I got the idea from watching a jet airplane land at our local airport. As I watched the jet approach I could not hear it, as it got closer I could hear the sound reflect off the concrete building behind me, which was crystal clear. So I could not hear the direct soundwave but I could hear the reflected soundwave. This is when I was contemplating whether or not the Model T's would work in my room, and it worked. Do not know if this would work as well with other speaker designs, it works with Bryston Model T because of the design an close tolerances. :smoke:

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Re: Night Club System
« Reply #9 on: 7 Jul 2024, 03:30 am »
What kind of sound level do you want the system to emit and for how long? That's a big space. Amps can shut down and speaker voice coils can heat up and do damage.

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Re: Night Club System
« Reply #10 on: 7 Jul 2024, 05:03 am »
A bit more detail would be good.  Overall area, how many "zones".... would the "zones" be physically divided in some way or simply be different areas within the same space?  Are you looking for good stereo rendering, or some form of multi-channel?

In a previous lifetime, a long, long time ago, before DSP was quite so advanced and available, we used to sound-up gyms, studios, etc.  A lot of "home stereo" concepts do not necessarily "travel" well into commercial spaces.  I'd definitely consult with someone who works in these spaces on a regular basis.  My guess is that spatial organization, wall, floor and ceiling/roof treatments are going to factor in way more than equipment selection (apologies to all concerned!).  Consideration in that regard are: Do you have a bar area, a restaurant, are they all open plan, or (once again), physically separated from "listening areas".

There was a documentary on TV recently covering noise/sound management in restaurants... not sure if it was done by these guys, but a quick search came up with this group:
https://qsrautomations.com/blog/restaurant-technology/restaurant-sound-design/

Interesting challenge... keep us posted on progress!

Cheers

Russ

Frankie Sugo

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Re: Night Club System
« Reply #11 on: 7 Jul 2024, 01:06 pm »
What kind of sound level do you want the system to emit and for how long? That's a big space. Amps can shut down and speaker voice coils can heat up and do damage.

Not loud. Conversation levels. Average 70 db.  About 8 hours

Frankie Sugo

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Re: Night Club System
« Reply #12 on: 7 Jul 2024, 01:24 pm »
A bit more detail would be good.  Overall area, how many "zones".... would the "zones" be physically divided in some way or simply be different areas within the same space?  Are you looking for good stereo rendering, or some form of multi-channel?

In a previous lifetime, a long, long time ago, before DSP was quite so advanced and available, we used to sound-up gyms, studios, etc.  A lot of "home stereo" concepts do not necessarily "travel" well into commercial spaces.  I'd definitely consult with someone who works in these spaces on a regular basis.  My guess is that spatial organization, wall, floor and ceiling/roof treatments are going to factor in way more than equipment selection (apologies to all concerned!).  Consideration in that regard are: Do you have a bar area, a restaurant, are they all open plan, or (once again), physically separated from "listening areas".

There was a documentary on TV recently covering noise/sound management in restaurants... not sure if it was done by these guys, but a quick search came up with this group:
https://qsrautomations.com/blog/restaurant-technology/restaurant-sound-design/

Interesting challenge... keep us posted on progress!

Cheers

Russ

Important points. The need to shout across the dinner table is a common experience. Definitely will take room sound design seriously. 

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Re: Night Club System
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 06:01 pm »
Klipsch Jubilee's (or clones) may fit the bill. They make a visual statement , and while i have not heard them myself, apparently they sound pretty good as well.  Easy to drive, and likely hard to damage. What area/country are looking at setting up this venue?

Best of luck!

Scott

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Re: Night Club System
« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 08:50 pm »
Klipsch Jubilee's (or clones) may fit the bill. They make a visual statement , and while i have not heard them myself, apparently they sound pretty good as well.  Easy to drive, and likely hard to damage. What area/country are looking at setting up this venue?

Best of luck!

Scott

Yes sir. If you get you some Klipsch Jubilees, Cornwalls, or Heresy, you may be able to drive them with just a 2.5b SST2. This brand of speakers are very efficient and some play 105db with a @1 meter with a 1 watt input.  Better yet, if you are in the States, call Bob Phelps at Custom Lights and Sound (CLS) in Durham, NC and they will build you club speakers.