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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: James Tanner on 5 Nov 2015, 01:02 pm
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Hi Folks,
New BDA-3 Thread and some new pics for you:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=131202)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=131203)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=131204)
james
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Black, James, black. :thumb:
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James, now that we have a dedicated thread, could you list the full specs and description here, as done with other new products.
Thanks.
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So what all does the Ethernet do/control?
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So what all does the Ethernet do/control?
I've asked this once or twice and don't recall an answer. I'm considering the BDA-3 as a BDA-2 upgrade solely for the potential of IP control. I'm looking forward to finding out if/what it will do via IP.
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17 inch silver blue lights. When do you start shipping?
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Congratulations to the Bryston team on another major addition.
Still loving my BDA-2 so probably won't be upgrading for a while but I can see HDMI being the next big step in hd audio.
It looks very modular inside compared to the one piece circuit design of the 1 and 2.
James, for those who use their hifi system for all types of media, i.e. movies would you guys ever consider making a delay box - for lip sync - or is this more for the realm of the SP3?
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So what all does the Ethernet do/control?
My guess is for firmware upgrades (as well as the USB port near it).
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James provided an update in another thread stating that they start shipping the BDA-3 next week, and are currently back ordered for 194 units. He also mentioned that if you placed an order now their best estimate would be that you could expect delivery in approximately 4 to 6 weeks.
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Congratulations to the Bryston team on another major addition.
Still loving my BDA-2 so probably won't be upgrading for a while but I can see HDMI being the next big step in hd audio.
It looks very modular inside compared to the one piece circuit design of the 1 and 2.
James, for those who use their hifi system for all types of media, i.e. movies would you guys ever consider making a delay box - for lip sync - or is this more for the realm of the SP3?
Hi
Yes more in the processor realm.
james
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So what all does the Ethernet do/control?
Yes IP addressable and software upgrades.
james
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James provided an update in another thread stating that they start shipping the BDA-3 next week, and are currently back ordered for 194 units. He also mentioned that if you placed an order now their best estimate would be that you could expect delivery in approximately 4 to 6 weeks.
I placed my order last December along with my Bot.
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Can't wait to get the BDA-3! Hope you start on the dedicated remote for the BDA-3 soon also! :wink:
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Can't wait to hear from early adopters as to the performance level of this new DAC. I love the design in that it handles PCM and DSD natively with the new AKM DAC chip, and that along with Bryston's discrete analog stage should result in exceptional sonic performance. I have high hopes that it will compete with some of the price no object DACs in the marketplace and really shake things up!
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I wouldn't be averse to dumping my PS Audio DS DAC and going back to a Bryston DAC once I hear some in-home reviews. I still have my almost new BDA-2 around.
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I'm interested in hearing some comparisons between the BDA-3 and BDA-2. In another thread, I think James Tanner mentioned there is no difference (or very little difference?) in sound quality if playing PCM materials, but that was during the development phase of the BDA-3. Wondering if that is still true. Should BDA-2 owners upgrade to BDA-3 if the extra features and DSD are not needed?
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I'm interested in hearing some comparisons between the BDA-3 and BDA-2. In another thread, I think James Tanner mentioned there is no difference (or very little difference?) in sound quality if playing PCM materials, but that was during the development phase of the BDA-3. Wondering if that is still true. Should BDA-2 owners upgrade to BDA-3 if the extra features and DSD are not needed?
That's what I'd like to know too. James mentioned that he recommends the BDA-2 if you don't need HDMI and DSD. Earlier reports suggest it is hair-splitting which is not surprising. I've no doubt BDA-3 is an excellent DAC but consider this - the analogue output stage is most likely identical and this is what, in many cases, determines the audio quality, not the DAC chipset chosen. This is also what separates good DACs from the really good ones. BDA-2 might still prove to be more useful if you need more conventional digital inputs. If you ask me, 2 S/PDIF and a single Toslink on the BDA-3 is barely enough for my needs so BDA-2 is more appropriate for me. Especially since I hardly see any use in using it with a Blu-Ray player. Considering BDP-2 is such an improvement over other transports I have there is very little use in HDMI since it has inherent disadvantages compared to S/PDIF. That's my reasoning at least.
Cheers!
Antun
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The BDA-3 webpage is now on the Bryston site, along with a new product brochure. http://www.bryston.com/products/digital_audio/BDA-3.html
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wow, very nice James. Congrats on your latest!
Given the empty space, both in the box, and on the back layout:
- another set of balanced outputs (to fully connect and feed to the Bryston heritage of Amps, both headphone And speakers),
- and extra digital inputs would be possible, and very very welcome. Not to say essential.
I fully embrace the extra hdmi inputs, but the cost of the lost spdif's is a big letdown in our systems. I for one wouldn't be able to accommodate my current setup with the BDA3 ;-((
Why didn't you just add the hdmi's to the BDA2 inputs.
Will you consider both aspects in a future BDA James? it would make it the ultimate and most versatile DAC around.
Cheers, Marius
Hi Folks,
New BDA-3 Thread and some new pics for you:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=131202)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=131203)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=131204)
james
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Can't wait to get the BDA-3! Hope you start on the dedicated remote for the BDA-3 soon also! :wink:
Got that right
I wonder if a Logitech remote will work. They have the codes for the BCD-1
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One can always program a Harmony remote. They have the BDA-1 and BDA-2 in their database as well.
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One can always program a Harmony remote. They have the BDA-1 and BDA-2 in their database as well.
Phil I would think that should work unless there is something different about the codes from the BDA 1 & 2 vs the BDA-3, I wouldn't think so.
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Remember that one must specify the input on the DAC and the BDA-3 has 4 HDMI inputs
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I used a Harmony One when I had both the BCD-1 and BDA-1
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The BDP-2 with the new IAD sound card outputs single rate DSD (DoP) over the AES and SPDIF outputs. Does the BDA-3 accept DoP via its AES and SPDIF inputs? I assume this is covered in the manual, but Bryston has not posted the BDA-3 manual on their website yet.
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The BDP-2 with the new IAD sound card outputs single rate DSD (DoP) over the AES and SPDIF outputs. Does the BDA-3 accept DoP via its AES and SPDIF inputs? I assume this is covered in the manual, but Bryston has not posted the BDA-3 manual on their website yet.
Hi
I have not tried that yet - just USB at this point.
james
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Hi
I have not tried that yet - just USB at this point.
james
Well, I hope you won't keep us in suspense too long.
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Well, I hope you won't keep us in suspense too long.
Tried it with the BDP-2 and No the BDA 3 only decodes DSD on the USB input. I was told this is the only way to do it legally? I will try JRiver and Audiorvana as well.
james
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Tried it with the BDP-2 and No the BDA 3 only decodes DSD on the USB input.
Thanks James.
That's a shame because my DSD files sound better over the AES connection, SPDIF is second best, then USB. They are all close in sound quality though. The difference between AES (best), SPDIF (2nd) and USB (3rd) is much more pronounced when playing 44.1K FLAC files.
I was told this is the only way to do it legally? I will try JRiver and Audiorvana as well.
I wouldn't think there would be any legal issues since dCS's Debussy DAC will decode DSD over PCM (DoP) through its AES and SPDIF inputs. DCS invented the DoP standard in 2011.
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There are several DACs that can do DoP via SPDIF - there's a database here - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgVhKcl_3lHfdFVyenBBNjNpQ2lieG81WGpqQTNfVUE#gid=0
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The first of the BDA-3 DAC’s getting ready to leave the building !!!
James
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132381)
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:thumb:
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17 inch,silver,blue lights!
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Black! Green lights! :wink:
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Thanks James.
That's a shame because my DSD files sound better over the AES connection, SPDIF is second best, then USB. They are all close in sound quality though. The difference between AES (best), SPDIF (2nd) and USB (3rd) is much more pronounced when playing 44.1K FLAC files.
I wouldn't think there would be any legal issues since dCS's Debussy DAC will decode DSD over PCM (DoP) through its AES and SPDIF inputs. DCS invented the DoP standard in 2011.
+1 I Prefer Spdif over USB too. No problems playing DoP via SPDif from my BDP2 to my Hugo and Esoteric DACs.
Seems odd to omit this feature from the BDA3
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+1 I Prefer Spdif over USB too. No problems playing DoP via SPDif from my BDP2 to my Hugo and Esoteric DACs.
Seems odd to omit this feature from the BDA3
Hi
In order to play DSD over SPDIF you would have to bypass the Sample Rate converter in the PCM circuit (which reduces jitter). That's why our new BDA-3 DAC has a separte circuit path for DSD and PCM files.
james
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Here is something I wrote a while ago which may help.
Hi folks
I have been asked a number of times by our customers our position on DSD so please find below our thoughts. DSD currently is available in a number of variations. Assuming you want to produce a product that can grow with time and market forces both hardware and software should to be considered.
DOP 64, 128, 256, 512 (last 2 are theoretical at this point) and DSD Native are the current options. Currently DSD is possible relatively easily with current software and hardware utilizing DOP 64 on current DAC’s and to some degree DOP 128
For example:
DOP-64 requires 176.4 capable DAC’s
DOP-128 requires 352.8 capable DAC’s
DSD Native 64 x 44.1 (standard 2.8224 MHz) (which is equivalent to 16 BIT 176.4 PCM) DAC’s.
Currently the majority of DSD capable products today are using DOP-64 architecture and some DOP-128 and DSD Native. There are also some manufacturers that have proprietary hardware and software which are capable of DOP-64, DOP-128 and Native DSD but proprietary software is not compatible with USB 2 drivers etc.
The other issue we are investigating has to do with the sample rate converters in DAC’s. In order to activate DSD the sample rate converter on the DAC inut stage would have to be a custom piece because current sample rate converters are not equipped to handle DSD to the best of our knowledge?
So that means in a standard PCM converter like our BDA-2 you would have to bypass the sample rate converter which may cause more jitter because our current sample converters reduce jitter on the input. So in Bryston’s case we definitely want the sample rate converter in the circuit for 44.1 to 192 PCM signals. Also some DAC’s we have looked at that are DSD capable convert all the incoming sample rates (44,48,88,96,176,192Hz) to a very high single sample rate ‘Asynchronously’ whereas our preference with our DAC’s is to maintain the ‘Native’ incoming sample rate throughout the conversion process with all PCM signals. If we do up-sample we do it in a synchronous manner so (44.1 becomes 176.4 and 48 becomes 192) not asynchronous.
So before Bryston goes down the DSD road I want to make sure we are providing our customers with the full story and allowing for possible advancements in both hardware and software development as much as possible. Also please offer any info or input if you feel we are mistaken or misinformed.
Note- DOP – Stands for DSD over PCM
James Tanner
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I believe there may be sample rate converters (for DSD) but they may be costly - e.g. - http://vintageking.com/weiss-saracon-dsd
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Hey Phil,
What about the Audirvana Plus Izotope converter? http://audirvana.com (http://audirvana.com)
has all the options:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132448) (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132449)
seems best in class.... http://src.infinitewave.ca (http://src.infinitewave.ca)
(even has a promising remote app https://itunes.apple.com/app/a+-remote/id1008281758)
cheers,
Marius
I believe there may be sample rate converters (for DSD) but they may be costly - e.g. - http://vintageking.com/weiss-saracon-dsd (http://vintageking.com/weiss-saracon-dsd)
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Thanks for the info - I'm sure there are others. I just play files in whatever format they are. As consumers, we don't have a choice on what music is either recorded to or released in a particular format.
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The first of the BDA-3 DAC’s getting ready to leave the building !!!
James
It's nice to see them finally going out, seems not long ago that the BDA-3 was just a concept.
Are any of the first boxes going to contain a lucky golden ticket giving the finder a tour of the Bryston factory?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132590)
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It's nice to see them finally going out, seems not long ago that the BDA-3 was just a concept.
Are any of the first boxes going to contain a lucky golden ticket giving the finder a tour of the Bryston factory?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132590)
Neat idea ! :thumb:
james
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132790)
Got a BDA-3 in sounds great!!!
Thanks
Gary
Summit Sound
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BDA-3 in the house. Now to hook it up.
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BDA-3 in the house. Now to hook it up.
Anxious to get your feedback.
james
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Hi Folks,
Feedback with permission:
Sent to: James Tanner on: Today at 03:18 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132938)
James,
My initial impression is that the BDA-3 has followed the normal progression of the 1,2 then 3. This is a new beast. This has the same traits as the other processors but takes the music to another level. The detail is so remarkable. Every sutltiy is heard along with Bryston's usual bass. I feel like I'm in a concert hall. This sounds so real. You cannot tell your listening to digital. The cymbals just shimmer.
Last night I was laughing to myself that the hype said it's sounds like the BDA-2. No this is another significant improvement. The BDA-3 is in another league. Just like the new sound card in the BDP-2.
I wrote you so not to step on anyone's toes. Audio is to opinionated. I read some of the post and people cannot tell the difference between the soundcards in the BDP-2 and that's their propagative. It's the same when they drink the Kool Aid and claim there is no sonic difference between the BDA-2 and BDA-3.
You have another winner. Haven't tried the DSD. Serial # 000005...... James if you want to use any of the quotes be my guest. I figured I'd post more of a review in the future
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I'm excited AND confused. James Tanner (I believe) posted several times that there was no performance increase from the BDA-2 to the BDA-3. Yet this person is certain THEY heard a difference.
Is there now an improvement in the BDA-3 over the BDA-2 (as there was with the BDA-2 over the BDA-1)?
- Garrett
Hi Folks,
Feedback with permission:
Sent to: James Tanner on: Today at 03:18 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132938)
James,
My initial impression is that the BDA-3 has followed the normal progression of the 1,2 then 3. This is a new beast. This has the same traits as the other processors but takes the music to another level. The detail is so remarkable. Every sutltiy is heard along with Bryston's usual bass. I feel like I'm in a concert hall. This sounds so real. You cannot tell your listening to digital. The cymbals just shimmer.
Last night I was laughing to myself that the hype said it's sounds like the BDA-2. No this is another significant improvement. The BDA-3 is in another league. Just like the new sound card in the BDP-2.
I wrote you so not to step on anyone's toes. Audio is to opinionated. I read some of the post and people cannot tell the difference between the soundcards in the BDP-2 and that's their propagative. It's the same when they drink the Kool Aid and claim there is no sonic difference between the BDA-2 and BDA-3.
You have another winner. Haven't tried the DSD. Serial # 000005...... James if you want to use any of the quotes be my guest. I figured I'd post more of a review in the future
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HI
The analog section is the same but the digital section uses a completely different DAC. Also with the finished version I am really impressed with how the USB sounds.
james
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HI
The analog section is the same but the digital section uses a completely different DAC. Also with the finished version I am really impressed with how the USB sounds.
james
Hi James,
Could you please provide more details about new USB implementation - especially in comparison with BDA-2?
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Hi James,
Could you please provide more details about new USB implementation - especially in comparison with BDA-2?
Hi
I really have not had time to discuss in detail with the designer but as I have been playing around with DSD files (uses USB circuit) I was surprised at how close USB sounded when playing PCM files compared to the AES in the BDA3 whereas before I always felt I preferred AES over USB in the BDA-2.
james
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Hi James,
Would you care to share which USB cables you have tried and whether you've noted a difference/preference.
Thanks
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Hi James,
Would you care to share which USB cables you have tried and whether you've noted a difference/preference.
Thanks
Hi
Mostly just generic cables - nothing exotic at this point.
james
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So if I have read right, I can hook the BDA-3 to say an Oppo BDP-103 via HDMI to play SACD and DSD files?
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Hi
I really have not had time to discuss in detail with the designer but as I have been playing around with DSD files (uses USB circuit) I was surprised at how close USB sounded when playing PCM files compared to the AES in the BDA3 whereas before I always felt I preferred AES over USB in the BDA-2.
james
James, thank you very much for reply. I also always prefer AES with BDA-2 so I'm interesting how USB is improved in BDA-3. Hope you will find time for posting technical details.
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I really have not had time to discuss in detail with the designer but as I have been playing around with DSD files (uses USB circuit) I was surprised at how close USB sounded when playing PCM files compared to the AES in the BDA3 whereas before I always felt I preferred AES over USB in the BDA-2.
james
James - When playing DSD files via USB, does the BDA-3 require the data to be formatted as DoP (DSD over PCM) or the actual DSD bitstream? TIA!
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So if I have read right, I can hook the BDA-3 to say an Oppo BDP-103 via HDMI to play SACD and DSD files?
Hi MCA
Yes correct - SACD is DSD 64.
james
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James - When playing DSD files via USB, does the BDA-3 require the data to be formatted as DoP (DSD over PCM) or the actual DSD bitstream? TIA!
Hi
Depending on what the player is putting out Native or DOP the BDA3 will play it back accordingly.
james
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HI
The analog section is the same but the digital section uses a completely different DAC. Also with the finished version I am really impressed with how the USB sounds.
james
Good to see positive feedback on the BDA-3. However having just placed an order for the BDA-2 a few weeks ago based on previous comments regarding the performance of the BDA-2 & BDA-3 being at par I cant help feeling a bit dissapointed about my decision. I probably should have waited to see comparisons of the production BDA-3 with the BDA-2.
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Hi
Depending on what the player is putting out Native or DOP the BDA3 will play it back accordingly.
james
That's very interesting. Most DSD DACs require either DoP or the native DSD bitstream, it's very rare in my experience to have a DAC that supports both! :thumb:
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Hi
Depending on what the player is putting out Native or DOP the BDA3 will play it back accordingly.
james
That's awesome. Taking trade-ins on PS Audio DS DAC's?? ROFL!
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Good to see positive feedback on the BDA-3. However having just placed an order for the BDA-2 a few weeks ago based on previous comments regarding the performance of the BDA-2 & BDA-3 being at par I cant help feeling a bit dissapointed about my decision. I probably should have waited to see comparisons of the production BDA-3 with the BDA-2.
Hi!
The most exciting thing about Bryston convertors is the fact it uses a completely discrete analogue stage running in class A. Also unusually, it has a discrete input preaplifier before D/A which is also running in class A. But the basic design is excellent with separate power supplies and ground lanes for digital and analogue sections and independent regulation on all critical circuits. This supports the mentioned discrete circuits even further.
All of this is available on all 3 Bryston convertors. The differences between BDA-1 and BDA-2 were slight to say the least. BDA-3 uses differents convertor chips again but they are a lot more similar to the ones in BDA-2. I'd be surprised if the difference between the two was of any significance.
Unless you need DSD and HDMI of course.
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That's very interesting. Most DSD DACs require either DoP or the native DSD bitstream, it's very rare in my experience to have a DAC that supports both! :thumb:
Hi Bill
Recognize too that DOP is still a DSD file and is NOT being converted to PCM. PCM is just the container to deliver the DSD file.
There are a lot of people that feel Native file playback is not required given DSD DOP while others feel Native files sound better.
James
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James, thanks for the response. I understand the DoP is still delivering the actual DSD data but in PCM frames, and have gotten into the debate elsewhere with some who mistakenly believe that DoP is no longer 'true' DSD. Once it is unpacked from the PCM container the resulting DSD data is identical to the original native DSD bitstream. I'd be interested in your thoughts on the DSD playback performance with the BDA-3 using DoP compared to the native files, but would understand if that's a debate you'd rather avoid! When using a media player like JRiver, you can easily output DSD in either DoP or bitstream format with a simple settings change.
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James, thanks for the response. I understand the DoP is still delivering the actual DSD data but in PCM frames, and have gotten into the debate elsewhere with some who mistakenly believe that DoP is no longer 'true' DSD. Once it is unpacked from the PCM container the resulting DSD data is identical to the original native DSD bitstream. I'd be interested in your thoughts on the DSD playback performance with the BDA-3 using DoP compared to the native files, but would understand if that's a debate you'd rather avoid! When using a media player like JRiver, you can easily output DSD in either DoP or bitstream format with a simple settings change.
Hi
Yes I have been playing with JRiver and the BDA3 listening to DOP and Native - going to run some blind tests.
james
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Hi James
I demoed the BDA-3 with the BDP-2, connected to Kurt’s SP-3, and 4B,
I didn’t think any of us would hear the difference between the SP-3 connection internal D/AC and the optional exteranl BDA-3, but wholly shit, it was immediately apparent, even with the delay in rewiring.
Kurt is the one who blurted out that he heard the difference in the bass, deeper & more powerful, plus on the highs , plus a wider sound stage!
His response this morning after the demo yesterday.
Wayne.
Audtek Sales
Wayne.. That was a really great demo. Fantastic (Bryston) products for sure.
Can you give me prices for both a BDP-2 Digital Player and BDA3 DAC Silver 19" rack or shelf mount, for our demo rack?
Need to be able to do A/B for clients to review. That's the only way to sell them.
Thanks!
Kurt Schlossberg
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133397)
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James,
Is there any chance the SP3 might see a DAC-type update, similar to the IAD card for the BDP-2?
- Garrett
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James,
Is there any chance the SP3 might see a DAC-type update, similar to the IAD card for the BDP-2?
- Garrett
Hi
No really not possible as the sound circuit is an integrated part of the digital surround board on the SP3.
james
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Hi James
For those of us in the audio biz, it’s always a balance between marketing and reality.
When your guy came to my office to demo the BDP player and new BDA-3 DAC, I asked him to A/B the signal with my current reference system.
Quite an apparent difference, even with a minute or so between swapping the cables. Now my set up is way more extreme than most people, even in that rarified air. As I have a Balance Audio Tech amp, and a pair of Avante Gardes.
But what a pleasant surprise. A bit of an eye opener as I have been listening pretty consistently through my current system and that has been very reference grade to my ears.
Didn’t know there was anywhere to go that was further!
Hope you are well, and happy holidays
Kurt
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HI James
Been slammed with business; so this was the first chance I had to listen to my new BDA-3.
A marked improvement over the BDA-2, I mean really noticeable. I put it temporarily in my all Esoteric rig, feeding it from an Olive 04 since it was near by.
The sound itself is much more analog, and flows effortlessly. I also note a broader soundstage. Combined with all the inputs, and super high reliability.
Bryston has hit it out of the park... again!
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Ivan
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Couldn't agree more!
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Hi James,
I just received the Bryston BDA3 DAC. It is doing well for USB from my few hours of listing, I think my waiting for almost a year has paid-off.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133662)
I can listen to SACD from my blu ray transport and BDA3.
The sound is superb!
Well done Bryston Team!
Warmest regards,
Warut
Austria
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Nice to see a silver one, looks fantastic.
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Finely :)
first post over here so hi to James and everyone.
Last week I put order to compleat my second setup with Bryston gear.
Among the ordered items a BDA-3 is included :)
As I run a BDA-2 in the main setup for more then a year...yap I'm running it without
Up sampling option turn out I like it more as it was recorded in native.
But for some moments here and there I had the option to turn on the upsampling
On the BDA-2.
My source is MAC With solid state hard disc.
But in the second setup it will be Windows base.
A question to James: is this option of upsampling on choice still available to us via USB connection or via the download Windows Bryston driver,or for the BDA-3 it is only native?
Reason for asking is that I saw on the new BDA-3 Manuel is that upsampling can't be engage for USB or HDMI
But maybe I misunderstood it correctly?
It's not such a big loss the way I enjoy the BDA-2 day to day without it but I do wanted to know .
Thanks
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Finely :)
first post over here so hi to James and everyone.
Last week I put order to compleat my second setup with Bryston gear.
Among the ordered items a BDA-3 is included :)
As I run a BDA-2 in the main setup for more then a year...yap I'm running it without
Up sampling option turn out I like it more as it was recorded in native.
But for some moments here and there I had the option to turn on the upsampling
On the BDA-2.
My source is MAC With solid state hard disc.
But in the second setup it will be Windows base.
A question to James: is this option of upsampling on choice still available to us via USB connection or via the download Windows Bryston driver,or for the BDA-3 it is only native?
Reason for asking is that I saw on the new BDA-3 Manuel is that upsampling can't be engage for USB or HDMI
But maybe I misunderstood it correctly?
It's not such a big loss the way I enjoy the BDA-2 day to day without it but I do wanted to know .
Thanks
Hi
Welcome!
Correct you can not use upsampling with the USB or the HDMI as the signal does not go through a sample rate converter with those inputs.
james
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Hi
I really have not had time to discuss in detail with the designer but as I have been playing around with DSD files (uses USB circuit) I was surprised at how close USB sounded when playing PCM files compared to the AES in the BDA3 whereas before I always felt I preferred AES over USB in the BDA-2.
james
James,
Can the BDA-3 accept DoP from a BDP-2's IAD's SPDIF and AES outputs?
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James,
Can the BDA-3 accept DoP from a BDP-2's IAD's SPDIF and AES outputs?
NO just HDMI and USB.
james
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Hi
Welcome!
Correct you can not use upsampling with the USB or the HDMI as the signal does not go through a sample rate converter with those inputs.
james
Thanks.
IMHO the BDA-2 is unmatched and produced the most analog like sound yet I have heard
From digital source.
So it's obvious up hill with the BDA-3.
Looking forward for it.
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James,
Can the BDA-3 accept DoP from a BDP-2's IAD's SPDIF and AES outputs?
NO just HDMI and USB.
james
I don't understand why Bryston would offer DoP output via SPDIF and AES on the BDP-2 and not offer DoP input via SPDIF and AES on the new BDA-3. Is it possible that this feature would be offered in near future?
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I don't understand why Bryston would offer DoP output via SPDIF and AES on the BDP-2 and not offer DoP input via SPDIF and AES on the new BDA-3. Is it possible that this feature would be offered in near future?
Exactly how many DACs decode DSD on anything but the USB input?
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Exactly how many DACs decode DSD on anything but the USB input?
44, according to the list posted here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgVhKcl_3lHfdFVyenBBNjNpQ2lieG81WGpqQTNfVUE#gid=0
What other manufacturer's are offering is beside the point. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect that a manufacturer's top of the line DAC would be able to make full use of all the output capabilities of their top of the line digital player.
Regardless, I have ordered a BDA-3 and it will be paired with my 2nd IAD-upgraded BDP-2.
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44, according to the list posted here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgVhKcl_3lHfdFVyenBBNjNpQ2lieG81WGpqQTNfVUE#gid=0
What other manufacturer's are offering is beside the point. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect that a manufacturer's top of the line DAC would be able to make full use of all the output capabilities of their top of the line digital player.
Regardless, I have ordered a BDA-3 and it will be paired with my 2nd IAD-upgraded BDP-2.
You have a point, but there are a number of reasons why DSD is better of USB.
And thanks for the link. More than I thought, for sure...although many of these are headphone/DACS/Pro models.
I have never been the biggest fan of USB. However, the one thing that does make it work is the fact the source must slave to the DAC, instead of the other way
around with SPDIF etc.
I have ordered a BDA-3 as well!!!
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Hi Folks,
The reason we do not offer DSD playback on the BDA-3 on the AES and COAX ‘inputs’ has to do with the sample rate converters currently available. DSD samples at much higher frequencies than PCM and current sample rate converters are not capable of operating at those higher frequencies. The BDA3 is a modular design and some new sample rate converters being developed now claim they will offer native high resolution PMC 352 and PMC 384 sample rate capability as well as DSD. We will certainly look at them going forward and offer an upgrade if they perform better.
So to offer DSD on the AES or COAX inputs on the BDA-3 means you would have to bypass the sample rate converter on the AES or COAX inputs which would ‘increase jitter’ because our current sample converters in the BDA-3 reduce jitter on the input.
So in Bryston’s case we definitely want the sample rate converter in the circuit for 44.1 to 192 PCM signals. Also some DAC’s we have looked at that are DSD capable on those inputs convert all the incoming sample rates (44,48,88,96,176,192Hz) to a very high single sample rate ‘Asynchronously’ whereas our preference with our DAC’s is to maintain the ‘Native’ incoming PCM sample rate throughout the conversion process with all PCM signals. If we do up-sample we do it in a synchronous manner so (44.1 becomes 176.4 and 48 becomes 192) not asynchronous.
So the way USB works on the BDA-3 is we have a special input circuit that determines if the incoming signal is PCM or DSD and routes the signal to the appropriate input circuit. These are completely different circuit paths optimized for the different ways PCM and DSD are handled to optimize performance. So PCM from 44 to 384 is optimized as well as DSD DOP 64 and 128 and Native DSD 64 /128 and 356 (x1/x2/x4).
We feel this is the best option currently and due to the modularity of the BDA-3 we can make changes going forward as better devices are developed but maintaining and optimizing the best ‘NATIVE’ playback (either PCM or DSD) is am important goal in our designs.
Hope this helps.
James
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Thanks for the detailed explanation James.
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Yes, great explanation. I'm probably ready to sell my PS Audio DS DAC and get the BDA-3. My BDA-2 was a great DAC but I really wanted one machine for both DSD and PCM. And I love the "native" signal path philosophy at Bryston.
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Hi Folks,
The reason we do not offer DSD playback on the BDA-3 on the AES and COAX ‘inputs’ has to do with the sample rate converters currently available. DSD samples at much higher frequencies than PCM and current sample rate converters are not capable of operating at those higher frequencies. The BDA3 is a modular design and some new sample rate converters being developed now claim they will offer native high resolution PMC 352 and PMC 384 sample rate capability as well as DSD. We will certainly look at them going forward and offer an upgrade if they perform better.
So to offer DSD on the AES or COAX inputs on the BDA-3 means you would have to bypass the sample rate converter on the AES or COAX inputs which would ‘increase jitter’ because our current sample converters in the BDA-3 reduce jitter on the input.
So in Bryston’s case we definitely want the sample rate converter in the circuit for 44.1 to 192 PCM signals. Also some DAC’s we have looked at that are DSD capable on those inputs convert all the incoming sample rates (44,48,88,96,176,192Hz) to a very high single sample rate ‘Asynchronously’ whereas our preference with our DAC’s is to maintain the ‘Native’ incoming PCM sample rate throughout the conversion process with all PCM signals. If we do up-sample we do it in a synchronous manner so (44.1 becomes 176.4 and 48 becomes 192) not asynchronous.
So the way USB works on the BDA-3 is we have a special input circuit that determines if the incoming signal is PCM or DSD and routes the signal to the appropriate input circuit. These are completely different circuit paths optimized for the different ways PCM and DSD are handled to optimize performance. So PCM from 44 to 384 is optimized as well as DSD DOP 64 and 128 and Native DSD 64 /128 and 356 (x1/x2/x4).
We feel this is the best option currently and due to the modularity of the BDA-3 we can make changes going forward as better devices are developed but maintaining and optimizing the best ‘NATIVE’ playback (either PCM or DSD) is am important goal in our designs.
Hope this helps.
James
Thank you sir!!! Counting the days!!!!
My plan is to use AES/EBU for PCM so I can take advantage of the upsampling and USB for DSD...when the ocassion arrises.
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James,
What is the mains fuse size and timing for the BDA-3? I assume it is the same 500mA, 250V, slow blow, 5x20mm fuse used in the BDA-2, but the BDA-3 manual left this info out. I want to go ahead and order an audio grade fuse so it will be here when the BDA-3 arrives.
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Thanks to all the educates post here by James and other members I was able to catch up some more knowledgeable Data to cope with what need this days from a music lover first who
Want to enjoy this latest innovations for the best.
Some of it gave me few days "migraine" going reading and catching some more knowledge
Regarding DSD that so far I didn't know.
I have a question though there are many input on the net for it,
I'm more interested in the bryston BDA3 aspect of it.
We can convert red books on the fly to DSD,in JRiver.
As I understand we don't change nothing in the data content but more to the way it "packed"
While sending it this way to the BDA3 DAC,more quantity but not different data.
That what I figure so far anyway.
We say the same with less bit (1 bit compare to 16 ) and more hertz (the way I understood it)
James,
The new BDA3 is modular And have separate hardware to handle the incoming PCM
Vs incoming DSD from what I understood.
For my better understanding,can it turn that the Redbook converted to DSD
Will benefit something Becouse of the different filters use on DSD audio D/A in a way,
So the final convert stage will be implemented different in audible manner compare to PCM
is it something worth to explore with?
Hope the above make sense ,
I'm still newbie to this side of the music hobby.
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James,
What is the mains fuse size and timing for the BDA-3? I assume it is the same 500mA, 250V, slow blow, 5x20mm fuse used in the BDA-2, but the BDA-3 manual left this info out. I want to go ahead and order an audio grade fuse so it will be here when the BDA-3 arrives.
Hi
Not sure on that - email Mike at Bryston and he will know. mpickett@bryston.com
james
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Thanks to all the educates post here by James and other members I was able to catch up some more knowledgeable Data to cope with what need this days from a music lover first who
Want to enjoy this latest innovations for the best.
Some of it gave me few days "migraine" going reading and catching some more knowledge
Regarding DSD that so far I didn't know.
I have a question though there are many input on the net for it,
I'm more interested in the bryston BDA3 aspect of it.
We can convert red books on the fly to DSD,in JRiver.
As I understand we don't change nothing in the data content but more to the way it "packed"
While sending it this way to the BDA3 DAC,more quantity but not different data.
That what I figure so far anyway.
We say the same with less bit (1 bit compare to 16 ) and more hertz (the way I understood it)
James,
The new BDA3 is modular And have separate hardware to handle the incoming PCM
Vs incoming DSD from what I understood.
For my better understanding,can it turn that the Redbook converted to DSD
Will benefit something Becouse of the different filters use on DSD audio D/A in a way,
So the final convert stage will be implemented different in audible manner compare to PCM
is it something worth to explore with?
Hope the above make sense ,
I'm still newbie to this side of the music hobby.
Hi Yitshak
I am not sure there is a definitive answer to your question because some people feel DSD sounds more analog so resampling PCM to DSD like in JRIVER is preferred while others feel 1 BIT systems like DSD with their serious issues in high frequency filtering requirements are detrimental to performance and much prefer PCM.
The tests I have run seem to be about 50/50. Some DSD files I prefer when comparing to their PCM counter parts and in some cases the reverse I like the PCM version over the DSD. One of the issue I see is that a lot of DSD material available is in fact PCM material that is resampled to DSD and not DSD NATIVE recordings so it is hard to do an "apples to apples" comparison. There are some DSD files that are true DSD like 2L and Blue Coast that I have tried and they sound excellent but these types of files are very limited. DSD can not be manipulated in the production stage (mixing and mastering etc.) the way PCM can and many people feel it will not be a popular format going forward but there does seem to be more interest in DSD and there are dedicated sights available to download NATIVE DSD files.
One of the main problems I see and it was very evident to me even back when high resolution Redbook PCM files became available was people did not really know what they were listening too and how many different conversions the original file was subjected too.
So I guess to answer your question regarding converting Redbook files to DSD files is something some will prefer but so far I prefer to play the file in the NATIVE format it was recorded in - but thats just my opinion.
james
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Thanks James for the educated answer,as always :)
I understand it's kind of mix bag...but some files playing results can benefits from the DSD convertion not do to the convertion By itself but more do to the D/A way (PCM path or the DSD path).
Well,it's very nice we have the options.
And I'll try for my ears in do time to see how one turn compare
to the other on different music genre.
Itshak
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James - Have you had a chance to do any further comparisons between DoP vs. native bitstream DSD? I'm very interested in your findings, TIA!
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James - Have you had a chance to do any further comparisons between DoP vs. native bitstream DSD? I'm very interested in your findings, TIA!
Hi Bill,
I have not done a lot but so far with 3 people blind tested no obvious preference.
james
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That's great, it shows that your engineering team did an excellent job in making the BDA-3's performance consistent independent of the DSD data format!
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Hi Yitshak
I am not sure there is a definitive answer to your question because some people feel DSD sounds more analog so resampling PCM to DSD like in JRIVER is preferred while others feel 1 BIT systems like DSD with their serious issues in high frequency filtering requirements are detrimental to performance and much prefer PCM.
The tests I have run seem to be about 50/50. Some DSD files I prefer when comparing to their PCM counter parts and in some cases the reverse I like the PCM version over the DSD. One of the issue I see is that a lot of DSD material available is in fact PCM material that is resampled to DSD and not DSD NATIVE recordings so it is hard to do an "apples to apples" comparison. There are some DSD files that are true DSD like 2L and Blue Coast that I have tried and they sound excellent but these types of files are very limited. DSD can not be manipulated in the production stage (mixing and mastering etc.) the way PCM can and many people feel it will not be a popular format going forward but there does seem to be more interest in DSD and there are dedicated sights available to download NATIVE DSD files.
One of the main problems I see and it was very evident to me even back when high resolution Redbook PCM files became available was people did not really know what they were listening too and how many different conversions the original file was subjected too.
So I guess to answer your question regarding converting Redbook files to DSD files is something some will prefer but so far I prefer to play the file in the NATIVE format it was recorded in - but thats just my opinion.
james
Hi James!
In some cases, DSD is a continuation of the "high-res PCM" saga where 24 bit recordings are nothing but up-sampled 16 bit recordings sold at a higher price.
This certainly seems to be the case with performances that have been originally captured digitally. If the original data was 16 bit, then you cannot extract anything beyond those 16 bits. Take recordings done in between 1985 and 1995 for example. If they were digital recordings, they were 16 bit. If you see a high-res version of it today, you ought to be very suspicious about it.
The same logic applies to DSD and in my opinion, this is the main thing that people do not understand. A high-res sticker does not guarantee high resolution sound because the sticker is a specification that applies to equipment, not standards of recording quality. It's a travesty.
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi James!
In some cases, DSD is a continuation of the "high-res PCM" saga where 24 bit recordings are nothing but up-sampled 16 bit recordings sold at a higher price.
This certainly seems to be the case with performances that have been originally captured digitally. If the original data was 16 bit, then you cannot extract anything beyond those 16 bits. Take recordings done in between 1985 and 1995 for example. If they were digital recordings, they were 16 bit. If you see a high-res version of it today, you ought to be very suspicious about it.
The same logic applies to DSD and in my opinion, this is the main thing that people do not understand. A high-res sticker does not guarantee high resolution sound because the sticker is a specification that applies to equipment, not standards of recording quality. It's a travesty.
Cheers!
Antun
Hi
Yes I agree Antun - many people do not realize what in fact they are actually listening to.
A quick story - when we first introduced the BDA-1 DAC one of the unique features (true of all our DACs) was the DAC would indicate what digital signal was 'coming in' from the source not what digital signal was 'going out' of the DAC. I would get call after call from customers complaining that their source was playing a high resolution file (48 to 192) but the BDA-1 was indicating 44.1 sample rate. I would assure them that the BDA-1 was not lying and after further investigation they did in fact find out their source was not outputting what they assumed it was. A good example where laptop computers which were downsampling the higher resolution digital signals in their operating systems.
I agree that it is sad that the 'label' has become the method to assess quality rather than the 'content'.
james
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Steve
Heard about the tornados in Dallas - all OK with you?
james
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Hi
Yes I agree Antun - many people do not realize what in fact they are actually listening to.
A quick story - when we first introduced the BDA-1 DAC one of the unique features (true of all our DACs) was the DAC would indicate what digital signal was 'coming in' from the source not what digital signal was 'going out' of the DAC. I would get call after call from customers complaining that their source was playing a high resolution file (48 to 192) but the BDA-1 was indicating 44.1 sample rate. I would assure them that the BDA-1 was not lying and after further investigation they did in fact find out their source was not outputting what they assumed it was. A good example where laptop computers which were downsampling the higher resolution digital signals in their operating systems.
I agree that it is sad that the 'label' has become the method to assess quality rather than the 'content'.
james
Hi James!
The first time I heard of Bryston was when I read a review of the BDA-1 in a Croatian edition of Hifi Choice magazine. One of the features that struck me at the time was the sampling rate display arrangement you speak of.
Technology has moved forward very slightly since then. I think you will agree that BDA-1, -2 and -3 were all designed with the same approach of high quality power supplies, discrete analog circuitry and functionality. Things that have changed have made it possible to support higher sampling rates and all of this is a good thing.
Howver, everyone would benefit if labels actually took the time to do proper remasters of the original recordings. This would be the best thing by far. Go back to the original master tape, calibrate the ReVox reel-to-reel, transfer it to highest resolution possible and then mix and master it. Very few labels do this and even then it is only with recordings that are considered special. It's a sad thing indeed.
Cheers!
Antun
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Steve
Heard about the tornados in Dallas - all OK with you?
james
James:
Sweet of you to ask. The damage and loss of life was to the east of us and our neighborhood came out fine, other than just very soggy. Kelly and I are in Cozumel for our Christmas break so we heard about it just as you did. Friends and family (including Kelly's daughter) are doing fine. Have to love Texas weather. Unpredictable!
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I think the sample rate indicator is a good idea, prior to my BDA-2 none of my dacs had this feature and it wasn't possible to know the real sample rate being played.
It is frustrating with all the nice gear available to still have very limited access to high quality files online, and even then you have to question their source.
It seems ironic that the best way to access a "high quality file" is still just buy a cd and rip it in lossless format, unless its a particularly rare or old album in which case I will try and find a digital version.
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Oh Happy Day! I have a shiny new (black with blue lights) BDA-3 on the way to me! I really loved my BDA-2 but wanted something that accepted DSD without conversion to PCM. I had originally placed a pre-order for the BDA-3 but backed out and picked up a PS Audio Directstream DAC from a local dealer. After reading all the positive reviews about the AKM chips and the Bryston implementation in particular I had to get one.
I really like the BDA-3 two path design for PCM and DSD as opposed to the PS Audio converting everything to DSD. It will be an interesting side by side comparison upon arrival.
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Congrats scirica! I agree with you about the beneficial aspect of handling PCM and DSD independently in their native formats as opposed to converting everything to a common format for decoding. The PS Audio DS, Playback Designs, and Meitner/EMM Labs all convert everything to DSD, while the majority of other DACs convert everything to PCM. I will be very interested in your thoughts on the BDA-3's sonics in both PCM and DSD and how it compares to other DACs you've heard. Enjoy your new black/blue BDA-3!
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Congrats scirica! I agree with you about the beneficial aspect of handling PCM and DSD independently in their native formats as opposed to converting everything to a common format for decoding. The PS Audio DS, Playback Designs, and Meitner/EMM Labs all convert everything to DSD, while the majority of other DACs convert everything to PCM. I will be very interested in your thoughts on the BDA-3's sonics in both PCM and DSD and how it compares to other DACs you've heard. Enjoy your new black/blue BDA-3!
You mean the lights "blue"?
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Yes, he's getting the black faceplate but with blue LEDs instead of the standard green ones.
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Oh Happy Day! I have a shiny new (black with blue lights) BDA-3 on the way to me! I really loved my BDA-2 but wanted something that accepted DSD without conversion to PCM. I had originally placed a pre-order for the BDA-3 but backed out and picked up a PS Audio Directstream DAC from a local dealer. After reading all the positive reviews about the AKM chips and the Bryston implementation in particular I had to get one.
I really like the BDA-3 two path design for PCM and DSD as opposed to the PS Audio converting everything to DSD. It will be an interesting side by side comparison upon arrival.
We'd love to read your thoughts after you get a chance to a/b them.
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You mean the lights "blue"?
Yes.
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We'd love to read your thoughts after you get a chance to a/b them.
You will definitely read it here!
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James:
Am I understanding the manual correctly in that I can pass HDMI video AND audio through the BDA-3 to my A/V processor as long as a non-HDMI input is selected? Does this mean that the Dolby and DTS audio streams will pass through untouched my A/V processor to use? If so, this means my Oppo 105D can stay connected to the BDA-3 without the need of an hdmi switcher.
Looking forward to next week and the arrival of the BDA-3!!
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James:
Am I understanding the manual correctly in that I can pass HDMI video AND audio through the BDA-3 to my A/V processor as long as a non-HDMI input is selected? Does this mean that the Dolby and DTS audio streams will pass through untouched my A/V processor to use? If so, this means my Oppo 105D can stay connected to the BDA-3 without the need of an hdmi switcher.
Looking forward to next week and the arrival of the BDA-3!!
Why would you want to bypass Dolby and DTS? What is your A/V processor?
My experience has been to run Dolby, DTS, pcm stereo to the BDA-1 then to the A/V processor for much better sound.
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Why would you want to bypass Dolby and DTS? What is your A/V processor?
My experience has been to run Dolby, DTS, pcm stereo to the BDA-1 then to the A/V processor for much better sound.
I think you misunderstood my question, which could be my fault in how I posed it. I want my Oppo 105D hooked to the BDA-3 via HDMI. When that input is engaged on the BDA-3 I will be listening to 2-channel DSD or PCM. When that input is disengaged, I want everything to pass through to my McIntosh MX121 where the DTS or Dolby streams will be available for processing. Just clarifying that I am understanding this to be how it works.
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I think you misunderstood my question, which could be my fault in how I posed it. I want my Oppo 105D hooked to the BDA-3 via HDMI. When that input is engaged on the BDA-3 I will be listening to 2-channel DSD or PCM. When that input is disengaged, I want everything to pass through to my McIntosh MX121 where the DTS or Dolby streams will be available for processing. Just clarifying that I am understanding this to be how it works.
Page 5 of the owner's manual has some info:
"HDMI Passthrough
Incoming digital video may be passed through
to another receiver such as a surround sound
processor or display using the HDMI output . The
HDMI output can only pass HDMI audio when a
non-HDMI input is actively selected. See PTHD
command in “Serial Protocol” on page 10. The
digital audio outputs mirror the inputs. No sample
rate conversion or any other processing is applied to
the output.
HDMI inputs are 1.4a compliant and can pass 4K
video at up to 30fps. HDMI input 4 is HDCP 2.2
compliant. Video is passed through to a connected
monitor at the native resolution with no processing
or conversion."
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Phil:
Per my original post that is the exact manual reference that I am asking for clarification on. Maybe it's just me over complicating the question. I'm going to assume it will pass everything to my processor.
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I think you misunderstood my question, which could be my fault in how I posed it. I want my Oppo 105D hooked to the BDA-3 via HDMI. When that input is engaged on the BDA-3 I will be listening to 2-channel DSD or PCM. When that input is disengaged, I want everything to pass through to my McIntosh MX121 where the DTS or Dolby streams will be available for processing. Just clarifying that I am understanding this to be how it works.
I don't think I misunderstood unless you are using two different pre-amps. Anyway all I'm saying is I would hook it up differently and would probably only use HDMI for the DSD.
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I don't think I misunderstood unless you are using two different pre-amps. Anyway all I'm saying is I would hook it up differently and would probably only use HDMI for the DSD.
And as I mentioned that would require adding an HDMI switch to my system, which I'd rather not do. Thanks for helping out. Appreciate the feedback here!
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Phil:
Per my original post that is the exact manual reference that I am asking for clarification on. Maybe it's just me over complicating the question. I'm going to assume it will pass everything to my processor.
Not over complicating at all. In theory, based on the manual, I'd guess it would work. Sometimes, however, things don't work exactly as one would expect them to. For example, I used to use an HDMI audio de-embedder to take 24/88.2 out of the a modded Oppo BDP-83 player into my BDA-1 DAC (I thought the sound was better vs. playing the SACD and taking it into the preamp via the analog inputs). Someone asked me if the de-embedder would work with Dolby Digital (they had a non-HDMI receiver at the time) and, while it was several years backk, I don't recall getting it to work taking the coax input into a receiver (don't ask me why). I'd think that Bryston designed it in that manner just for that purpose thinking someone may use something like an Oppo so they could both take advantage of the better DAC for music and also being able to watch video.
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Jan 1, 2016
OnTheFly
I owned a BDA-1 a long time ago but then bought a SP3 so moved it on. I had another DAC recommended to me but it was 'how much!'.
I'm currently listening to The War of The Worlds. Not sure Richard Burton has ever sounded this good.
It also sounds great with regular CD's, though I had forgot what a bind it is to keep getting up to swap discs.
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any suggestions on how to configure JRiver MC21 with a Mac Mini to work with the BDA 3 so it can play DSD files
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Hi Folks,
The reason we do not offer DSD playback on the BDA-3 on the AES and COAX ‘inputs’ has to do with the sample rate converters currently available. DSD samples at much higher frequencies than PCM and current sample rate converters are not capable of operating at those higher frequencies. The BDA3 is a modular design and some new sample rate converters being developed now claim they will offer native high resolution PMC 352 and PMC 384 sample rate capability as well as DSD. We will certainly look at them going forward and offer an upgrade if they perform better.
So to offer DSD on the AES or COAX inputs on the BDA-3 means you would have to bypass the sample rate converter on the AES or COAX inputs which would ‘increase jitter’ because our current sample converters in the BDA-3 reduce jitter on the input.
So in Bryston’s case we definitely want the sample rate converter in the circuit for 44.1 to 192 PCM signals. Also some DAC’s we have looked at that are DSD capable on those inputs convert all the incoming sample rates (44,48,88,96,176,192Hz) to a very high single sample rate ‘Asynchronously’ whereas our preference with our DAC’s is to maintain the ‘Native’ incoming PCM sample rate throughout the conversion process with all PCM signals. If we do up-sample we do it in a synchronous manner so (44.1 becomes 176.4 and 48 becomes 192) not asynchronous.
So the way USB works on the BDA-3 is we have a special input circuit that determines if the incoming signal is PCM or DSD and routes the signal to the appropriate input circuit. These are completely different circuit paths optimized for the different ways PCM and DSD are handled to optimize performance. So PCM from 44 to 384 is optimized as well as DSD DOP 64 and 128 and Native DSD 64 /128 and 356 (x1/x2/x4).
We feel this is the best option currently and due to the modularity of the BDA-3 we can make changes going forward as better devices are developed but maintaining and optimizing the best ‘NATIVE’ playback (either PCM or DSD) is am important goal in our designs.
Hope this helps.
James
Hi James!
This explanation reminds me of BDA-2. When it was introduced, it was said that the then-new AKM AK4399 chips supported DSD and therefore such implementation would be possible. However, as it turned out later, by doing so the sample-rate converter (SRC) would have to be bypassed which would, in turn, degrade PCM performance since the SRC is an integral part of the DAC's jitter-elimination system. You then mentioned it almost seems as though to offer uncompromised performance of both PCM and DSD you need to separate the circuitry completely, at least before the actual conversion takes place. Clearly, the result of this thinking is the BDA-3.
Is that right?
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi James!
This explanation reminds me of BDA-2. When it was introduced, it was said that the then-new AKM AK4399 chips supported DSD and therefore such implementation would be possible. However, as it turned out later, by doing so the sample-rate converter (SRC) would have to be bypassed which would, in turn, degrade PCM performance since the SRC is an integral part of the DAC's jitter-elimination system. You then mentioned it almost seems as though to offer uncompromised performance of both PCM and DSD you need to separate the circuitry completely, at least before the actual conversion takes place. Clearly, the result of this thinking is the BDA-3.
Is that right?
Cheers!
Antun
Hi Antun
Yes correct and was the main reason why it took so long to get the BDA3 out from a design perspective.
james
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Hi Antun
Yes correct and was the main reason why it took so long to get the BDA3 out from a design perspective.
james
James, quick question:
Do the USB and AES/EBU inputs both remain active on the BDA-3 when connected to a BDP-2 via both connections..meaning can you just toggle between inputs, or must the BDP-2 be rebooted?
Thanks.
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James, quick question:
Do the USB and AES/EBU inputs both remain active on the BDA-3 when connected to a BDP-2 via both connections..meaning can you just toggle between inputs, or must the BDP-2 be rebooted?
Thanks.
Hi
You can toggle
james
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Hi
You can toggle
james
Wow! That is fantastic! Thank you.
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any suggestions on how to configure JRiver MC21 with a Mac Mini to work with the BDA 3 so it can play DSD files
Rich - there is a recent thread on the JRiver forum (for Mac) with an iFi DAC. Not sure if the problem is similar or it will help or not.
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Picked up a BDA-3 yesterday, having fun listening to it today. My prior DAC was a BDA-1 + audiophilleo2 combo... functionally almost everything I wanted and fantastic sound. The BDA-3 has everything I want. Spent some time last night farting around with JRiver 21, mostly setting and experimenting with DSD options. Very happy with the purchase and I'll keep the BDA-1 combo for use with my upstairs system. I'd rate the sound of the BDA-1 as ∞ and the BDA-3 as [∞+1]. I was going to pick up a BDA-2 a while ago but wanted native DSD support, glad I waited.
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Hi
You can toggle
james
And if I may add to that, toggling between any of the inputs takes less than half a second. It is the most reliable input receiver I have used and ideal for A/B comparisons between different digital transports. I have a BDA-2 however but this should apply to BDA-3 as well.
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Awesome product! Now I just hope Bryston will make a remote to go along with it!
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Slam Dancer - They already do! If you look on the BDA-3 product page (http://www.bryston.com/products/digital_audio/BDA-3.html (http://www.bryston.com/products/digital_audio/BDA-3.html)) it states that their BR2 remote is available as an option. http://www.bryston.com/products/other/BR2.html (http://www.bryston.com/products/other/BR2.html)
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Picked up a BDA-3 yesterday, having fun listening to it today. My prior DAC was a BDA-1 + audiophilleo2 combo... functionally almost everything I wanted and fantastic sound. The BDA-3 has everything I want. Spent some time last night farting around with JRiver 21, mostly setting and experimenting with DSD options. Very happy with the purchase and I'll keep the BDA-1 combo for use with my upstairs system. I'd rate the sound of the BDA-1 as ∞ and the BDA-3 as [∞+1]. I was going to pick up a BDA-2 a while ago but wanted native DSD support, glad I waited.
Patrick: My BDA-3 arrives on Friday. What were you able to accomplish with JRiver 21 and DSD? Just curious if you pushed native DSD to the BDA-3 and if so what were your settings. Can't wait to play!
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Patrick: My BDA-3 arrives on Friday. What were you able to accomplish with JRiver 21 and DSD? Just curious if you pushed native DSD to the BDA-3 and if so what were your settings. Can't wait to play!
My playback options at the moment involve native DSD. I'm using the Bryston USB Audio Driver [ASIO] + bitstreaming but was tinkering with DSD/DoP too. The BDA-3 DSDx1 light shines amber when receiving DSD native and JRiver is displaying 1 @ 2822.4 kHz. I've been comparing DSF files to the straight ISO image as well, it's a nice feature of JRiver.
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Slam Dancer - They already do! If you look on the BDA-3 product page (http://www.bryston.com/products/digital_audio/BDA-3.html (http://www.bryston.com/products/digital_audio/BDA-3.html)) it states that their BR2 remote is available as an option. http://www.bryston.com/products/other/BR2.html (http://www.bryston.com/products/other/BR2.html)
I know, but what I wish for is a new remote that also controlls the HDMI etc. 8)
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I know, but what I wish for is a new remote that also controlls the HDMI etc. 8)
Exactly. Given the switching capabilities of the BDA-3 this would really elevate the capabilities beyond just D/A conversion!
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We have had excellent results with HQ Player converting PCM 16/44, 24/96, 24/192 to DSD 128 and DSD 256 feeding over USB to ExaSound E20/E22, Lampi B7, Antelope Zodiac Platinum
Wondering if any BDP-3 owners have tried HQ Player yet ?
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BDA-3 is here but I'm very frustrated. No matter what I do the USB driver will not install successfully. On top of that, I've tried connecting via coax and HDMI and can't get it to lock on a signal.
My BDA-2 installed easily, this is a nightmare so far. And of course it's Friday night so no help (or music) until Monday :(
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Good chance it's the fact that I'm behind on Windows updates. I'll report back soon!
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Windows update fixed the driver issue. All good. Currently playing native DSD via JRiver. Sounds great so far!
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Having fun with the BDA-3. Lots to like about this DAC! I've worked through my driver issues and I have native DSD flowing from both JRiver and Roon.
Only two things left to "fix":
1. When switching sample rates, primarily back and forth between DSD and PCM I get a pretty loud "POP" between songs. I did not experience this with my previous DAC. If you are playing from a playlist this can be quite unsettling. I understand some DACs do a quick mute when switching over. Wonder if this something that can be incorporated in a future release?
2. Haven't been able to get DSD to play from my Oppo 105D via HDMI. It could be that the Oppo just can't do this and that's fine, but I thought that James or someone else was able to do this. More experimenting to come.
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Hi Steve
I have some beta software that will stop the pop - email me and I will send. jamestanner@bryson.com
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Hi Steve
I have some beta software that will stop the pop - email me and I will send. jamestanner@bryson.com
Wonderful!!
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Exceptional support as always from James, even while he's at CES!
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Having fun with the BDA-3. Lots to like about this DAC! I've worked through my driver issues and I have native DSD flowing from both JRiver and Roon.
Only two things left to "fix":
1. When switching sample rates, primarily back and forth between DSD and PCM I get a pretty loud "POP" between songs. I did not experience this with my previous DAC. If you are playing from a playlist this can be quite unsettling. I understand some DACs do a quick mute when switching over. Wonder if this something that can be incorporated in a future release?
2. Haven't been able to get DSD to play from my Oppo 105D via HDMI. It could be that the Oppo just can't do this and that's fine, but I thought that James or someone else was able to do this. More experimenting to come.
The Oppo has two methods of delivery for DSD over HDMI. You might have to switch to the other setting.
Good Luck! 8)
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The Oppo has two methods of delivery for DSD over HDMI. You might have to switch to the other setting.
Good Luck! 8)
Yep. Very familiar with my Oppo and tried everything I know. Gary will be contacting me with the answer soon!
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Yep. Very familiar with my Oppo and tried everything I know. Gary will be contacting me with the answer soon!
Quick update: We determined that the HDMI ribbon cable was loose. Reseated that connector and now I can lock on the HDMI signal from the Oppo. Only one small problem: no sound! I'm sure Gary will continue to help as his schedule permits. Updates when that happens.
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Quick update: We determined that the HDMI ribbon cable was loose. Reseated that connector and now I can lock on the HDMI signal from the Oppo. Only one small problem: no sound! I'm sure Gary will continue to help as his schedule permits. Updates when that happens.
I don't know if this is connected or not but I am having a similar situation after playing DSD over USB, then switching to PCM over a S/PDIF connection. It locks on the signal but there is no sound. I sent in a note to the Bryston tech folks, awaiting a reply. If I cycle the BDA-3 off/on all is well on the S/PDIF connection.
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I don't know if this is connected or not but I am having a similar situation after playing DSD over USB, then switching to PCM over a S/PDIF connection. It locks on the signal but there is no sound. I sent in a note to the Bryston tech folks, awaiting a reply. If I cycle the BDA-3 off/on all is well on the S/PDIF connection.
OMG! I just power-cycled and now I have DSD via HDMI! There obviously is a bug that needs to be worked out, but this is great! Thanks for posting.
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Anyone compare the BDA-3 or BDA-2 to Schiit Yggdrasil?
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For anyone experiencing the "pops" when switching between PCM and DSD files, there is a firmware upgrade available that resolved this issue. It's u2015.12a. I got mine directly from Bryston but I believe it is the same update available via the BDA-3 web GUI.
So far the great Bryston sound coupled with the versatility makes this a true winner. Now to see if there are any break-in changes.
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For anyone experiencing the "pops" when switching between PCM and DSD files, there is a firmware upgrade available that resolved this issue. It's u2015.12a. I got mine directly from Bryston but I believe it is the same update available via the BDA-3 web GUI.
Hmmm... this update should also fix the issue I'm having with the "no sound when switching inputs" problem. Can you check to see that your update completed properly? When I head back into the web gui after downloading the .bin file and uploading it [the lights flash as expected], my firmware is still stuck at:
Version: u2015.11i (index.htm-006)
Build Date: Nov 20 2015 10:58:05
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Hmmm... this update should also fix the issue I'm having with the "no sound when switching inputs" problem. Can you check to see that your update completed properly? When I head back into the web gui after downloading the .bin file and uploading it [the lights flash as expected], my firmware is still stuck at:
Version: u2015.11i (index.htm-006)
Build Date: Nov 20 2015 10:58:05
Mine updated correctly, however when i used the file in the GUI i stayed at the same release. The one i got directly from Gary worked.
Version: u2015.12a (index.htm-008)
Build Date: Dec 30 2015 11:39:12
Category & DevID: 30
IP addr: 192.168.1.15
Options: User: checked
T: 37.6 C
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I have read conflicting information as to the AKM chips used.
AKM 4399 or AKM 4490? If the newer chip is being used, is the "velvet filter" part of the picture? (AKM Literature)
Excited to hear impressions about this DAC. I am listening to R2R dac now (DIY AudioNoteKits 4.1), and have been DAC shopping lately.
The BDA-3 is in the price range, has stellar connectivity (I am hoping to upsample my library to DSD via HQPlayer from Roon, and stream the DSD straight to the DAC), I also greatly appreciate the HDMI portion. I have my system with a DVD player, Cable box, and both the audio computer and my Desk computer that could connect through the BDA-3 to my TV. Perhaps even with better voice sync when watching bluray and DVD.
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I have read conflicting information as to the AKM chips used.
AKM 4399 or AKM 4490? If the newer chip is being used, is the "velvet filter" part of the picture? (AKM Literature)
Excited to hear impressions about this DAC. I am listening to R2R dac now (DIY AudioNoteKits 4.1), and have been DAC shopping lately.
The BDA-3 is in the price range, has stellar connectivity (I am hoping to upsample my library to DSD via HQPlayer from Roon, and stream the DSD straight to the DAC), I also greatly appreciate the HDMI portion. I have my system with a DVD player, Cable box, and both the audio computer and my Desk computer that could connect through the BDA-3 to my TV. Perhaps even with better voice sync when watching bluray and DVD.
Hi
It is the 4490.
james
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Mine updated correctly, however when i used the file in the GUI i stayed at the same release. The one i got directly from Gary worked.
Version: u2015.12a (index.htm-008)
Build Date: Dec 30 2015 11:39:12
Category & DevID: 30
IP addr: 192.168.1.15
Options: User: checked
T: 37.6 C
Thanks. I updated my BDA-3 using the .bin file you sent, all is good. I did notice that when upgrading to this .bin file, the amber light stayed on for around 20 seconds before cycling. With the one on the support page, it's instant. Something for someone at Bryston to look at ;)
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Thanks. I updated my BDA-3 using the .bin file you sent, all is good. I did notice that when upgrading to this .bin file, the amber light stayed on for around 20 seconds before cycling. With the one on the support page, it's instant. Something for someone at Bryston to look at ;)
And I should also mention that the "no sound when changing inputs" has been rectified and the Pops when moving to/from DSD/PCM are no longer a concern.
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And I should also mention that the "no sound when changing inputs" has been rectified and the Pops when moving to/from DSD/PCM are no longer a concern.
Definitely a better firmware version from Bryston. I only have one outstanding issue that I'm aware of, but I'm going to make sure that's not a Roonserver issue before I pursue.
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What is break-in time for the BDA 3?
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I have read conflicting information as to the AKM chips used.
AKM 4399 or AKM 4490? If the newer chip is being used, is the "velvet filter" part of the picture? (AKM Literature)
Excited to hear impressions about this DAC. I am listening to R2R dac now (DIY AudioNoteKits 4.1), and have been DAC shopping lately.
The BDA-3 is in the price range, has stellar connectivity (I am hoping to upsample my library to DSD via HQPlayer from Roon, and stream the DSD straight to the DAC), I also greatly appreciate the HDMI portion. I have my system with a DVD player, Cable box, and both the audio computer and my Desk computer that could connect through the BDA-3 to my TV. Perhaps even with better voice sync when watching bluray and DVD.
I'm interested in knowing if the 5 filters that are in the AKM 4490 are user accessible in the BCD-3.
From the AKM4390 spec."
"Five digital filters are integrated into the AK4490: a short delay, sharp roll-off filter and a short delay, slow roll-off filter for minimum delay, a sharp roll-off filter and a slow roll-off filter for no phase shifting, and newly integrated super slow roll-off filter with emphasized characteristics provide a wide range of choice in digital filters. " http://www.akm.com/akm/en/aboutus/news/20140501AK4490_001/?link_id=link109
if so talk about flexible
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I'm interested in knowing if the 5 filters that are in the AKM 4490 are user accessible in the BCD-3.
From the AKM4390 spec."
"Five digital filters are integrated into the AK4490: a short delay, sharp roll-off filter and a short delay, slow roll-off filter for minimum delay, a sharp roll-off filter and a slow roll-off filter for no phase shifting, and newly integrated super slow roll-off filter with emphasized characteristics provide a wide range of choice in digital filters. " http://www.akm.com/akm/en/aboutus/news/20140501AK4490_001/?link_id=link109
if so talk about flexible
Not currently but in the future we will have a GUI to allow it.
james
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James, can you share which of those digital filters is currently being used in the BDA-3? TIA
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James, can you share which of those digital filters is currently being used in the BDA-3? TIA
Sorry no - I do not want any bias - I choose the one I thought sounded best so its my secret for now. :wink:
james
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Bryston proprietary information, it's classified. I understand and thanks for the prompt response!
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James,
Can you talk about what setting I should use on JRiver /Mac with the BDA 3 in Oder to successfully play DSD files? I'm having a problem.
Thanks
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James,
Can you talk about what setting I should use on JRiver /Mac with the BDA 3 in Oder to successfully play DSD files? I'm having a problem.
Thanks
Hi
I have not used jriver with a MAC just Windows and and my BDP so will have to look into that.
james
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Hi
I have not used jriver with a MAC just Windows and and my BDP so will have to look into that.
james
James - he got it working - called me the other day and spoke to him last week
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I tried using the setting in the manual however it didn't work. What I found works is setting JRiver bitstream to DSD and output format to none. The BDA 3 switches correctly to DSD files when played and PCM files when they are played. Could this be correct?
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I tried using the setting in the manual however it didn't work. What I found works is setting JRiver bitstream to DSD and output format to none. The BDA 3 switches correctly to DSD files when played and PCM files when they are played. Could this be correct?
Hi
Yes I am playing with it now and that seems to work fine. They are the same settings for Windows as well.
james
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Hi
Yes I am playing with it now and that seems to work fine. They are the same settings for Windows as well.
james
Only difference I see is that with JRiver on a PC you have to pick a driver, which in this case should be ASIO. Works like a champ for me with both JRiver and RoonServer.
Today I actually removed by Regen my Uptone Audio from the chain. I wanted to hear the BDA-3 "naked". I may or may not be putting the Regen back on as it sounds great.
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Only difference I see is that with JRiver on a PC you have to pick a driver, which in this case should be ASIO. Works like a champ for me with both JRiver and RoonServer.
Today I actually removed by Regen by Uptone Audio from the chain. I wanted to hear the BDA-3 "naked". I may or may not be putting the Regen back on as it sounds great.
Hi Steve
What is a Regen? - misspelling of a past President???
james
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Hi Steve
What is a Regen? - misspelling of a past President???
james
http://uptoneaudio.com/products/usb-regen
works great.
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http://uptoneaudio.com/products/usb-regen
works great.
Thanks - looks like a nice piece but would not be needed with the BDA3 USB input.
james
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Thanks - looks like a nice piece but would not be needed with the BDA3 USB input.
james
James, based on what? The Regen is widely accepted as an upgrade for most, if not all DACs. I'd be interested in how you made such a quick assessment. Believe me, I'd love it to be proven true!
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James, based on what? The Regen is widely accepted as an upgrade for most, if not all DACs. I'd be interested in how you made such a quick assessment. Believe me, I'd love it to be proven true!
From what I can see it is a device to optimize the USB interface and that is not at all required with the USB input on our BDA3. Am I mistaken?
james
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hi, Bryston!
according to the manual of the BDA-3 the toslink inputs can 'only' accept pcm audio up to 96/24 ?!?
al.
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From what I can see it is a device to optimize the USB interface and that is not at all required with the USB input on our BDA3. Am I mistaken?
james
James, you are not mistaken but you are certainly oversimplifying the benefits of the Regen. I'm not an engineer, but my understanding comes from this paragraph by John Swenson:
"PHY chips and processors at the input of every USB DAC (even those with galvanic isolation) are sensitive to "packet noise modulation" and ground-plane noise—caused by poor signal integrity and impedance mis-matching. Every USB audio source (computer or streamer) and cable causes this, every DAC is affected by this."
So, even a great DAC can be at the mercy of what precedes it and the Regen can therefore relieve some of the correction processing that needs to be done on by the DAC. Once again, don't shoot the messenger, but all I know is that I've heard the difference on my BDA-2 and on my PS Audio Directstream DAC. As I mentioned earlier though, I've temporarily taken the Regen out of the BDA-3 because I really want to get to know this DAC, and so far is sounds wonderful!!
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James, you are not mistaken but you are certainly oversimplifying the benefits of the Regen. I'm not an engineer, but my understanding comes from this paragraph by John Swenson:
"PHY chips and processors at the input of every USB DAC (even those with galvanic isolation) are sensitive to "packet noise modulation" and ground-plane noise—caused by poor signal integrity and impedance mis-matching. Every USB audio source (computer or streamer) and cable causes this, every DAC is affected by this."
So, even a great DAC can be at the mercy of what precedes it and the Regen can therefore relieve some of the correction processing that needs to be done on by the DAC. Once again, don't shoot the messenger, but all I know is that I've heard the difference on my BDA-2 and on my PS Audio Directstream DAC. As I mentioned earlier though, I've temporarily taken the Regen out of the BDA-3 because I really want to get to know this DAC, and so far is sounds wonderful!!
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hi, Bryston!
according to the manual of the BDA-3 the toslink inputs can 'only' accept pcm audio up to 96/24 ?!?
al.
Correct - need to use USB or SPDIF or HDMI if you want higher.
james
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James, you are not mistaken but you are certainly oversimplifying the benefits of the Regen. I'm not an engineer, but my understanding comes from this paragraph by John Swenson:
"PHY chips and processors at the input of every USB DAC (even those with galvanic isolation) are sensitive to "packet noise modulation" and ground-plane noise—caused by poor signal integrity and impedance mis-matching. Every USB audio source (computer or streamer) and cable causes this, every DAC is affected by this."
So, even a great DAC can be at the mercy of what precedes it and the Regen can therefore relieve some of the correction processing that needs to be done on by the DAC. Once again, don't shoot the messenger, but all I know is that I've heard the difference on my BDA-2 and on my PS Audio Directstream DAC. As I mentioned earlier though, I've temporarily taken the Regen out of the BDA-3 because I really want to get to know this DAC, and so far is sounds wonderful!!
Hi Steve
You have to believe your ears of course but the USB input on the BDA3 is state of the art and already has impedance matching and excellent grounding.
I just prefer to have less in the signal path and some of these devices may work on poorly implemented circuitry but just seems redundant with quality USB receivers like we use. If you remember the review that was done in Absolute Sound Magazine on the BDA2 the reviewer was surprised as he always preferred SPIDIF over USB but with the BDA2 he was convinced that proper implementation of USB was actually preferable.
james'
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Hi Steve
You have to believe your ears of course but the USB input on the BDA3 is state of the art and already has impedance matching and excellent grounding.
I just prefer to have less in the signal path and some of these devices may work on poorly implemented circuitry but just seems redundant with quality USB receivers like we use. If you remember the review that was done in Absolute Sound Magazine on the BDA2 the reviewer was surprised as he always preferred SPIDIF over USB but with the BDA2 he was convinced that proper implementation of USB was actually preferable.
james'
Well I'm starting to be a believer, because with the REGEN out of the path it sounds damn good to me. I might have a REGEN for sale very soon! :thumb:
I think what he is saying though is that taking that load off the DAC may be beneficial. Regardless, it's the music that matters!
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Anyone able to give some direct comparison comments between the BDA-2 and BDA-3?
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I have both. It was noticeable improvement immediately. To me it was the next step up in the audio chain. I have not used it with DSD yet. The highs have less glare, while adding more subtleties to the highs and midrange. The bass seems similar to the BDA-2. When I inserted the BDA-3 it was very shocking to me. James downplayed the BDA-3 so I did not expect such improvement. It's as if you get a new preamp,speakers or amp and you listen to your music collection all over again. I am hearing more information that I never heard before.
I am using the BDA-3 along with BDP-2 with the new sound card using AES. I'm sure everyone results will differ along with their opinions. Hope this helps.
I did keep my BDA-2 and BDP-1, just moved it to another system.
Cheers,
BJ
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I have both. It was noticeable improvement immediately. To me it was the next step up in the audio chain. I have not used it with DSD yet. The highs have less glare, while adding more subtleties to the highs and midrange. The bass seems similar to the BDA-2. When I inserted the BDA-3 it was very shocking to me. James downplayed the BDA-3 so I did not expect such improvement. It's as if you get a new preamp,speakers or amp and you listen to your music collection all over again. I am hearing more information that I never heard before.
I am using the BDA-3 along with BDP-2 with the new sound card using AES. I'm sure everyone results will differ along with their opinions. Hope this helps.
I did keep my BDA-2 and BDP-1, just moved it to another system.
Cheers,
BJ
Great to hear this. I sold my BDA-2 before receiving my BDA-3, so I can't do an A/B test. I am VERY happy with the BDA-3 sonically and as the new Swiss Army Knife of DAC's!
(http://www.audioaficionado.org/members/scirica-albums-silenzio-picture3897-rack-4sm.jpg)
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDA-3 DAC
January 2016
CUSTOMER FEEDBACK:
Bryston BDA-3 DAC Serial # 000010 - Early Impressions
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=135123)
After spending many enjoyable hours listening to downloaded music (PCM and DSD) and ripped CD's I'm pleased to say the BDA-3 paired with my BDP-2 is, to my ears, a very significant advance in sound quality over my previously owned Bryston BDA-1 DAC also paired with my BDP-2.
The year long wait after ordering the BDA-3 was well worthwhile as I hear significant improvements in all areas and no criticisms other than a clutter of HDMI inputs that I probably will never use. I noticed a lower output level over the BDA-1 which simply meant having to use higher volume settings than in the past. Hopefully, Bryston will come out with a more complete specification to include the BDA-3 output level as they did with the BDA-1.
The most important improvement for me is a more relaxed sound quality but certainly not at the expense of detail. In fact, to use the much used cliché, I have been hearing detail on downloads and ripped CD's that I had not previously noticed. Despite all the extra detail I was surprised to find less sibilance on recordings such as Cowboy Junkies "The Trinity Session". Bass was deep and forceful and the soundstage in my room was somewhat wider than the BDA-1 but the depth was much deeper which made symphony recordings very realistic.
There was plenty to evaluate on the BDA-3 like listening to DSD downloads for the first time and comparing the USB and AES/EBU inputs. For me I could live with either the USB or the AES/EBU input but I did have a slight preference for the AES/EBU but I would not want to try and describe why! It was great to have the opportunity to listen to DSD downloads but overall I did not feel there were repeatable improvements in sound quality over PCM 192/24 to justify the extra download time and storage space not to mention the extra cost. Sometimes I actually thought I preferred PCM 96/24 over DSD on some Beethoven piano concertos and Mozart violin concertos where I could compare. DSD sometimes seemed to have a slight edginess that was occasionally noticeable for PCM downloads on my BDA-1 but the new BDA-3 on PCM downloads never gave rise to any edginess whatsoever.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=135124)
I've had some late nights listening to all the improvements the BDA-3 is making to playback of my music collection. I'm grateful for the opportunity to listen to DSD and PCM downloads but for me I believe I will spend my money on PCM downloads only and replay using the AES/EBU input on the BDA-3.
For anyone owning Bryston's BDA-1, or any other quality DAC, I think a listen to this latest BDA-3 DAC is a must.
It is amazing how much improvement has evolved since the BDA-1 was introduced by Bryston about 6 years ago.
Thanks
Roger
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Great,
fine comments on the BDA-3 Waited for those...
I also use the BDA-2 and Intent to move it to my other setup as soon as
My new BDA-3 will show up.
And I thought my BDA-2 performance in native is every bit like described in comments on BDA-3 above.
Looking forward to it.
Itshak
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Correct - need to use USB or SPDIF or HDMI if you want higher.
james
...my BDA-1 can do 192/24 via toslink. what was the reason to limit the BDA-3's toslink input ???
al.
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...my BDA-1 can do 192/24 via toslink. what was the reason to limit the BDA-3's toslink input ???
al.
We didn't limit it.. its just that some optical connections seem to be able to do 192/24 but the manufacturer says the spec is 96/24 on the receiving chip.
james
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I have both. It was noticeable improvement immediately. To me it was the next step up in the audio chain. I have not used it with DSD yet. The highs have less glare, while adding more subtleties to the highs and midrange. The bass seems similar to the BDA-2. When I inserted the BDA-3 it was very shocking to me. James downplayed the BDA-3 so I did not expect such improvement. It's as if you get a new preamp,speakers or amp and you listen to your music collection all over again. I am hearing more information that I never heard before.
I am using the BDA-3 along with BDP-2 with the new sound card using AES. I'm sure everyone results will differ along with their opinions. Hope this helps.
I did keep my BDA-2 and BDP-1, just moved it to another system.
Cheers,
BJ
Thanks BJ, that was exactly what I was lpoking for, especially since I'm using AES and a BDP-2.
Between the new sound card and the BDA-3 vs BDA-2, which improvement was most noticeable?
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Hi Steve
You have to believe your ears of course but the USB input on the BDA3 is state of the art and already has impedance matching and excellent grounding.
I just prefer to have less in the signal path and some of these devices may work on poorly implemented circuitry but just seems redundant with quality USB receivers like we use. If you remember the review that was done in Absolute Sound Magazine on the BDA2 the reviewer was surprised as he always preferred SPIDIF over USB but with the BDA2 he was convinced that proper implementation of USB was actually preferable.
james'
Hi James, did you compare BDA-3 USB input sound quality using BDP-2 USB out vs regular noisy computer - PC or Mac? Does BDA-3 still sounds better with BDP-2? In ideal case there should be not any difference, but as we all know there are very,very few DACs with ideally isolated USB input.
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Hi James, did you compare BDA-3 USB input sound quality using BDP-2 USB out vs regular noisy computer - PC or Mac? Does BDA-3 still sounds better with BDP-2? In ideal case there should be not any difference, but as we all know there are very,very few DACs with ideally isolated USB input.
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I do not like to blow our own horn (because we all have our own bias) but honestly I have never heard a computer sound better than the BDP-2.
james
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Hi
I do not like to blow our own horn (because we all have our own bias) but honestly I have never heard a computer sound better than the BDP-2.
james
Actually my question is not about sonic advantages of BDP-2 but about level of isolation of BDA-3 USB input. There always be some folks including me who prefer using computer to specialized player and I try to understand how BDA-3 is compared with something like Berkeley Alpha USB or Ayre QB-9 - looks like these devices have most advanced USB interfaces to date. My experience with BDA-2 USB input was bad even with BDP-2 - it sounded so much worse than AES input. It would be great if you share some more design details of new USB input.
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Actually my question is not about sonic advantages of BDP-2 but about level of isolation of BDA-3 USB input. There always be some folks including me who prefer using computer to specialized player and I try to understand how BDA-3 is compared with something like Berkeley Alpha USB or Ayre QB-9 - looks like these devices have most advanced USB interfaces to date. My experience with BDA-2 USB input was bad even with BDP-2 - it sounded so much worse than AES input. It would be great if you share some more design details of new USB input.
Sorry - misunderstood. I always preferred the AES on the BDA2 but currently I prefer the USB on the BDA3 - used that setup at CES last week and it sounded superb even if I do say so myself.
james
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Sorry - misunderstood. I always preferred the AES on the BDA2 but currently I prefer the USB on the BDA3 - used that setup at CES last week and it sounded superb even if I do say so myself.
james
Ok, thank you. Did you try different USB cables? Do so called "audiophile" USB cables sound any better than usual computer-grade USB cables with BDA-3?
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Ok, thank you. Did you try different USB cables? Do so called "audiophile" USB cables sound any better than usual computer-grade USB cables with BDA-3?
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Have not tried that yet and at shows I always use generic wiring and CD ripped files as I feel if you like what you hear you have to give credit to the gear and not some esoteric cable or file.
james
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Good morning everybody,
did someone try to play his sacd through a blu ray player connected via HDMI to the BDA3 and want to share his impressions? If I’m not wrong Scirica did it and it was quite happy with it…
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Ordered mine, shipping end of the month. BDA-3 continues to sell well it seems. Just had to get a BIT15 to go with it.
SACD via HDMI seems to work for some of the disk players out there. I saw that Oppo works. As I have an Oppo, I have not paid attention to others that might work.
The HDMI switching definitely sealed the deal for my man cave audio system, that works in a 2.1 video setup.
I plan to hang the Oppo, cable box and audio PC to the HDMI inputs.
I will be using Roon on the PC, and probably try HQ hooked to Roon to see if up sampling to DSD is any better than the BDA-3's filter with PCM.
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Please share your impressions here :thumb:
indeed the possibility to play sacds with an external player with HDMI output makes the BDA-3 a game changer...
ps: what exaclty is Roon?
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www.roonlabs.com
Its a music player/interface with many extra features. There is lots of discussion on most of the audio boards. Its worth looking at the site, googling for some reviews, and giving it a trial. It has tight integration with Tidal, so you can search your own library, and extend searches into Tidal.
I am pretty sure that it simply passes the music file to the USB interface in a bit perfect fashion, no extra filtering, or upsampling done. There is an "exclusive" mode that helps most players, but keeping out any Windows, or MacOS intrusion into the music stream. I don't know about whether there is a "memory" playback mode, which has helped in other programs. (that is loading the whole song file into RAM before playing it, therefore not dragging the song off of the disk while it plays. Probablt not as important with SSDs as it was with spinning disks)
HDPlayer and Roon recently hooked up to allow the wonderful Roon interface, and file management, to use HQPlayer to do its magic filtering/upsampling prior to outputting to the DAC. (I have not tried the HQPlayer yet, as my current DAC is an older NOS R2R DAC that does not accept anything above 16/44)
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Ordered mine, shipping end of the month. BDA-3 continues to sell well it seems. Just had to get a BIT15 to go with it.
SACD via HDMI seems to work for some of the disk players out there. I saw that Oppo works. As I have an Oppo, I have not paid attention to others that might work.
The HDMI switching definitely sealed the deal for my man cave audio system, that works in a 2.1 video setup.
I plan to hang the Oppo, cable box and audio PC to the HDMI inputs.
I will be using Roon on the PC, and probably try HQ hooked to Roon to see if up sampling to DSD is any better than the BDA-3's filter with PCM.
Why would you want to connect all those through the BDA, are you simply using it as a switcher and nothing else? Seems one heck of a lot of money to spend to simply get a HDMI switcher. Also what's the reason I see often mentioned for wanting to conenct an Oppo to the BDA for SACD palyback? If people aren't using the BDA as a DAC (i.e. using it's analog outs) and are simply sending teh SACD signal back out via HDMI why wouldn't you not just connect the Oppo directly to your receiver/SSP?
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Main function will be a DAC from a dedicated, fanless PC using the USB interface. I have been looking at DACs for a few months now, and when I discovered the additional features of the BDA-3, I became interested. I was already looking at DACs in the 2-5K range.
Oppo -> BDA-3 for SACD, DVDa and BluRay playback via the HDMI
I am betting that the Cable box sounds better via HDMI through the BDA-3, than the audio out from the box direct to the pre-amp.
I will get one of the streaming boxes at some point - perhaps even replacing the cable box.
Getting the Audio PC video to the monitor is just a plus.
I do have an HDMI switcher, my second. They all are cheap and flaky so far for me.
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www.roonlabs.com
Its a music player/interface with many extra features. There is lots of discussion on most of the audio boards. Its worth looking at the site, googling for some reviews, and giving it a trial. It has tight integration with Tidal, so you can search your own library, and extend searches into Tidal.
I am pretty sure that it simply passes the music file to the USB interface in a bit perfect fashion, no extra filtering, or upsampling done. There is an "exclusive" mode that helps most players, but keeping out any Windows, or MacOS intrusion into the music stream. I don't know about whether there is a "memory" playback mode, which has helped in other programs. (that is loading the whole song file into RAM before playing it, therefore not dragging the song off of the disk while it plays. Probablt not as important with SSDs as it was with spinning disks)
HDPlayer and Roon recently hooked up to allow the wonderful Roon interface, and file management, to use HQPlayer to do its magic filtering/upsampling prior to outputting to the DAC. (I have not tried the HQPlayer yet, as my current DAC is an older NOS R2R DAC that does not accept anything above 16/44)
Thanks, I will look at it
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Why would you want to connect all those through the BDA, are you simply using it as a switcher and nothing else? Seems one heck of a lot of money to spend to simply get a HDMI switcher. Also what's the reason I see often mentioned for wanting to conenct an Oppo to the BDA for SACD palyback? If people aren't using the BDA as a DAC (i.e. using it's analog outs) and are simply sending teh SACD signal back out via HDMI why wouldn't you not just connect the Oppo directly to your receiver/SSP?
I think people will use BDA3 as a dac- it's one of the few to be able to maintain the hd stream from an external sacd player and convert the hd signal received. I don't think a switcher will give the same result in terms of quality. Of course other blue ray players can be used, as long they have hdmi sound output (Cambridge, pioneer, denon, marantz). They will take care of the video and Bda3 will take care of the sound...
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Mr. Tanner - and everybody else of course - please feel free to correct me if I misunderstood something ...
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Main function will be a DAC from a dedicated, fanless PC using the USB interface. I have been looking at DACs for a few months now, and when I discovered the additional features of the BDA-3, I became interested. I was already looking at DACs in the 2-5K range.
Oppo -> BDA-3 for SACD, DVDa and BluRay playback via the HDMI
I am betting that the Cable box sounds better via HDMI through the BDA-3, than the audio out from the box direct to the pre-amp.
I will get one of the streaming boxes at some point - perhaps even replacing the cable box.
Getting the Audio PC video to the monitor is just a plus.
I do have an HDMI switcher, my second. They all are cheap and flaky so far for me.
So you are using the BDA as a DAC even with the Oppo connection? i.e. Oppo signal enters the BDA and is output via the analog outs and not HDMI? If that's the case then I understand the why's :) If not and you are outputting via HDMI then what's the point as the HDMI signal is just a pass thru is it not thus the BDA isn't doing anything? Also I don't see how the cable box HDMI audio would sound better going through the BDA if it's just a pass thru and you aren't outputting analog.
I would imagine though that the quality and reliability of the HDMI hardware would be light years better than the switchers you have been using.
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I think people will use BDA3 as a dac- it's one of the few to be able to maintain the hd stream from an external sacd player and convert the hd signal received. I don't think a switcher will give the same result in terms of quality. Of course other blue ray players can be used, as long they have hdmi sound output (Cambridge, pioneer, denon, marantz). They will take care of the video and Bda3 will take care of the sound...
Yeah if it's being used as a DAC then I understand, i.e. HDMI in from a SACD player but analog out, not HDMI out, that makes sense. What was throwing me was if people were sending the HDMI signal from a SACD player thru the BDA, staying with HDMI then that leaves me scratching my head why one would pay 3 grand for a pass-thru and ultimately a 4x1 switcher that contributes nothing to the video and audio.
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my understanding is that the pass-thru is for the video only. the audio will be converted by BDA3 as if it was received by an external cd transport on coax input. the difference is that in this case DSD stream will be kept.
it is similar to what brand like Emm labs and Esoteric do with their sacd transport and external dac... but they use their private connection (approved by Sony, who has the rights on SACD) to send dsd stream to the dac by a digital cable instead of hdmi - the only problem is that their combos cost a fortune :|
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My intention is to have audio from the bluray and cable decoded from the HDMI input, and sent to the pre-amp via analog cables. Not just HDMI switching, but stripping out the digital audio from the HDMI itself. I hope not to resort to SPDIF out from either of my video sources.
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I will be using the HDMI out from my Oppo 105D into the BDA-3 primarily to decode SACD. When not listening to SACD, I will just allow the digital audio and video to pass through to my MC121 A/V Control Center. Just makes things a little tidier in my system. Working great so far!
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Hi,
did you compare the sound of the SACD played by Oppo's internal Dac and by Oppo plus BDA3 via HDMI?
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I will be using the HDMI out from my Oppo 105D into the BDA-3 primarily to decode SACD. When not listening to SACD, I will just allow the digital audio and video to pass through to my MC121 A/V Control Center. Just makes things a little tidier in my system. Working great so far!
Interesting since the 105D can already decode sacd , not sure what you gain
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He only has to try and see which one is better...
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Interesting since the 105D can already decode sacd , not sure what you gain
Seriously? We are talking about using the AKM DACs used in the BDA-3 as compared to the SABRE chips in the 105D. YMMV, but I'm not a fan of the SABRE DACs. That is what I gain.
BTW...Is that a 67 big block in your signature? Looks gorgeous!!
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Yes, this is the point, use BDA3's dac instead of Oppo's.
Did you try also regular cd played thru Oppo and connected via coax to BDA3?
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Yes, this is the point, use BDA3's dac instead of Oppo's.
Did you try also regular cd played thru Oppo and connected via coax to BDA3?
Yes, but not critically. All of my CD's are on my server so I'm not really motivated to handle the shiny discs, but at some point it will be interesting to listen and compare.
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Makes sense
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Yes, but not critically. All of my CD's are on my server so I'm not really motivated to handle the shiny discs, but at some point it will be interesting to listen and compare.
You mean CD server ?
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I think a Nas
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I think a Nas
That is what I was thinking but you never know,
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You mean CD server ?
Sorry, dedicated media server (PC-based) with NAS. Bluray, dsf, and flac files.
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Let us know if you try regular cd played via Oppo... I am curius to know how Oppo performs as simple Cd transport
Sorry, dedicated media server (PC-based) with NAS. Bluray, dsf, and flac files.
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scirica,
I would like to hear about your finding/thoughts on playing the SACD through the Oppo and using BDA3 as the DAC (via HDMI). Also, if possible, please let us know your thoughts on playing the SACDs directly via Oppo, without the BDA. Would also like to know the same on CDs. The BDA3 interests me, because I understand that it is one of the few DACs that plays the files in their "native" format. For clarification purpose - my definition of "native" is, the file format that I "paid" for when downloading from a provider. Some folks argue that "native" means, the recording was originally done in DSD or PCM. While I agree with that too, but I will stick with my definition of "native".
Thanks is advance.
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Is the USB no longer XMOS in BDA-3?
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scirica,
I would like to hear about your finding/thoughts on playing the SACD through the Oppo and using BDA3 as the DAC (via HDMI). Also, if possible, please let us know your thoughts on playing the SACDs directly via Oppo, without the BDA. Would also like to know the same on CDs. .
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Is the USB no longer XMOS in BDA-3?
Yes it is XMOS in the BDA3
james
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Hello James,
Which cd transport would you pair with BDA3? I mean for playing regular cds...
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Hello James,
Which cd transport would you pair with BDA3? I mean for playing regular cds...
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Almost any will do as the BDA3 re-samples and re-clocks the incoming digital signal
james
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Thanks James.
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James, any news when the next batch of BDA-3s will be released? My ship date of 1/29 has slipped a month to 2/29 already at AudioAdvisor.
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James, any news when the next batch of BDA-3s will be released? My ship date of 1/29 has slipped a month to 2/29 already at AudioAdvisor.
We have a bunch going out this week and next so it should not be to much longer before we catch up - sorry for the delay.
james
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Thank you James, perhaps I will get one this month.
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Guess mine is also getting closer by the day :)
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Hello,
what is bda3S? A new firmware?
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Hello,
what is bda3S? A new firmware?
A new Bryston DAC .
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Hello,
what is bda3S? A new firmware?
I think he just missed the '
james
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BDA3s - plural, not possessive.
P.S. Sorry guys, I'm married to a former English teacher.
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ok, clear :thumb:
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BDA3s - plural, not possessive.
P.S. Sorry guys, I'm married to a former English teacher.
We'd better not let her see this. ;)
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Its a music player/interface with many extra features.
It's - contraction of "It is", not possessive
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Touché! I am too accommodated to letting autocorrect do that for me.
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Hello,
I tried to download the BDA3 driver from Bryston's website, but the download was blocked by antivirus reporting a Trojan.
Did someone have the same issue?
Thank you.
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I tried to download the BDA3 driver from Bryston's website, but the download was blocked by antivirus reporting a Trojan.
Did someone have the same issue?
No problem with
Windows 7 > Firefox or Chrome > Avast Anti-Virus
or
Windows 10 > Firefox or Chrome > McAfee Security Suite
What is your Anti-Virus program?
Steve
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Symantech. it's a corporate one
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I will try later with my laptop.
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Norton/Symantec has come up before in discussions relative to virus false positives. Must be the overly sensitive heuristics scan that flags the file, thinking it might contain a virus without actually being in the virus database.
Steve
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Ok, thanks. I downloaded the driver easily with my laptop.
Does anyone know how to configure foobar2000 in order to play dsd files natively? I tried but the light on the bda3 was PCM and not DSD...
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Ok, thanks. I downloaded the driver easily with my laptop.
Does anyone know how to configure foobar2000 in order to play dsd files natively? I tried but the light on the bda3 was PCM and not DSD...
I have them (have not used them recently as I use JRiver on the music servers but have them on the main PC - I use Foobar occasionally to convert music files for the car) but they are in a folder. If you send an email via the forum, I could attach them.
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Great, I will. Thanks a lot!
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Ok, thanks. I downloaded the driver easily with my laptop.
Does anyone know how to configure foobar2000 in order to play dsd files natively? I tried but the light on the bda3 was PCM and not DSD...
http://www.audiostream.com/content/how-play-dsd-file-using-foobar2000#EJF6j6uLjabEtSp3.97
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Thank you James..
the missing step I think was this one:
http://cdn.audiostream.com/images/9513foobar1.png
I hope I'll able to make it
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James,
Does the bda3 need a break-in period?
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James,
Does the bda3 need a break-in period?
No - the customer does - LOL
james
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No - the customer does - LOL
james
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:D
Hi Grant
Seriously though ... the engineers will never agree but I find after about 3 days things start to sound more coherent and more spacious with better tonal balance.
james
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Hi,
I don't know if this is the right place to talk about my issue, if not please let me know and I will open a dedicated tread. I still not able to play dsds files.
here a screenshot of Foobar on my system:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137031)
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then I move to Tools and select SACD like this way
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137032)
on the ASIO Driver Mode dropdown I select "DSD". Then apply and play.
With this configuration I cannot play files at all.
If i select PCM on the ASIO Driver Mode it plays, but the light indicates PCM 88.2 (or 176.4), not DSD.
Does anyone know the reason why? :cry:
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Grant
What is your source component - a laptop ?
DSD is only available with USB
Also in Manic Moose make sure you go into the AUDIO DEVICES settings at the bottom of the page and select (enable) and checkmark the soundcard.
james
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Hi James
no, it is desktop. I use foobar2000 with USB to BDA3. Of course I installed Bryston's driver. I do not use Manic Mouse.
Thanks!
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Hi James
no, it is desktop. I use foobar2000 with USB to BDA3. Of course I installed Bryston's driver. I do not use Manic Mouse.
Thanks!
OK I have foobar2000 on my windows computer at work so I will check. Also maybe try JRiver as well as that works very well in my setup.
james
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I don't use foobar (JRiver instead) but looking over your settings I suspect that the issue might related to the DSD2PCM Mode. If there's an off or none setting that may be it, since you don't want to convert your DSD to PCM which appears to be what's happening since you're getting PCM instead of DSD.
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Thank you!
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I don't use foobar (JRiver instead) but looking over your settings I suspect that the issue might related to the DSD2PCM Mode. If there's an off or none setting that may be it, since you don't want to convert your DSD to PCM which appears to be what's happening since you're getting PCM instead of DSD.
Sorry, I forgot to tell you that I selected "none". I agree with you.
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Sorry, I forgot to tell you that I selected "none". I agree with you.
That's probably the first time someone agreed with me on an audio forum! :) So do I understand that even with DSD2PCM Mode set to 'none' you're still receiving PCM at the DAC? If so I'm afraid I can't be of more help. Seems like an experienced foobar user should be able to help.
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Here are my settings if this helps:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137050)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137051)
james
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Thank you very much James.
I will try asap.
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I got different screens... on the first one, the Device is ASIO: Bryston USB ASIO Driver, while yours is DSD ASIO: Bryston USB ASIO Driver..
maybe this is the problem.
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Ok, I uninstalled foobar2000 and then I downoloaded again. I installed with only few components like foo_out_asio.fb2k-component and foo_input_sacd-0.6.0.zip.
Now it works :thumb:
thank you everybody for your help and support!
ps: in Output node in the Device dropdown I had to select foo_dsd_asio... with Bryston USB Audio ASIO Driver it wasn't working...
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Great that you got it working, enjoy your new BDA-3 DAC!!!
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Thank you! I will defintely do! :D
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I am looking forward to acquiring a BDA-3. I still can't quite figure out if I need a BDP-1 or a BDP-2 to pair with it? The BDP-2 seems to duplicate a lot of the capacity of the BDA-3. I plan to use a NAS server for ripped and downloaded files along with Oppo Blu Ray for SACD through the BDA-3.
1) Using Manic Moose to access files, do I need a BDP at all in the chain?
2) Will the sound quality be different from the BDP-1 versus BDP-2 as a server for the BDA-3?
If these questions have already be addressed, just point me to the right thread.
Thanks! I've enjoyed Bryston products as the core of my system for many years.
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The BDA-3 is only a DAC, you need a music player to send it files.
Manic Moose only runs on a BDP-1 or 2, you need one of these to play your audio from a NAS. As I understand it, either of these will play music from a NAS drive, the BDP-2 simply has more connectivity and functionality. The decision as to which one you get is yours as long as you don't later crave one of the benefits of a BDP-2 if you buy a BDP-1.
I have no idea if there is a difference in sound between the two.
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I have both BDP-1 and BDP-2 with the new sound card. If you can afford it get the BDP-2. BDP-2 definitely sounds better in my system.
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Thanks for the input thus far. The BDA-3 plays DSD files back from usb, right? How does it do this without a server? And the BDP-2 does not process DSD Native, correct?
On another note, how much is the upgraded IAD sound card cost to add to an older BDP-2, whether factory installed, or installed by the user?
David
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BDA3 is great with DSD files. They can be played only via USB (of course if you own sacds you can play them via HDMI on a blu-ray player with dedicated HDMI output like Oppo).
Beside Sacds, you need to use a computer and install JRiver or Foobar2000. the other solution is use a streamer or a music server who can handle DSD files.
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BDP-2 brochure says it handles DSD files up to DSD512, so it should do the trick.
DSD is rather new to Bryston gear, so there is not a lot of talk about it when you search back. I am awaiting a BDA-3, which I will be using with a purpose built PC for now. As my current system does not do DSD at all, I can't comment on the process.
You will need some sort of computing device between your NAS and DAC. Streamer, PC, BDA-x, etc. AFAIK, DSD is only going over a USB connection. Perhaps there are some SPDIF, and some I2S based systems out there, but none widely commercially standardized. (There are a few HDMI I2S systems out there, manufacturer specific)
I think there will be more Digital Players over time, the BDA-1 blazed that trail, and many will incorporate the DAC, so the only connection will be Ethernet, and possibly an RCA and/or HDMI to get digital signal direct from the disc.
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Ops, I did not know that BDP-2 was able to handle DSD files...
I suggest you to try some DSD files on your system once you'll have the BDA-3... I think that you'll be very satisfied with it
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Does the BDP-2 "wrap" the DSD in PCM? Then would the BDA-3 "unwrap" it? Would this make a difference in sound quality (as some seem to indicate)? It's pretty clear I've very sketchy in my understanding of the DSD stuff!
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Does the BDP-2 "wrap" the DSD in PCM? Then would the BDA-3 "unwrap" it? Would this make a difference in sound quality (as some seem to indicate)? It's pretty clear I've very sketchy in my understanding of the DSD stuff!
DSD can be played back as DSD in what is called 'DOP' (DSD over PCM) or as a 'Native' DSD file. Both files are true DSD. The DOP just uses the PCM as a carrier.
james
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What happens when you play a DVDa disc in the Oppo via the HDMI of the BDA-3? I don't know how DVDa discs files look, or how one goes about setting the output of the Oppo for best sound. I have so far had to use the line out of the Oppo for anything other than redbook through coax SPDIF in my current DAC.
Still awaiting my BDA-3... soon I hope.
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I'd LOVE to find out! Please please please, let us know what you find. One of the main benefits I hope to achieve from a BDA-3 upgrade is DVD-A and SACD via HDMI.
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I did do some searching. DSD from SACD has been discussed already. DVDa is output as 2 channel PCM music at higher than Redbook resolution.(I need to see how the options look in the oppo)
To use the multichannel files one needs a multichannel decoder.
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So, the BDA-3 showing up as a 2-ch source (as it should, unless its on pass-through). Is the Oppo is selecting the 2ch version of the audio on the desk, or is the Oppo converting the multi-channel down to 2-channel?
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James, I have a question if you'd be so kind. The Bryston DAC brochure states: "Each electrical input is galvanically isolated to completely eliminate the possibility of ground noise from the attached interconnect and device from polluting the signal." I wanted to please confirm that the galvanic isolation applies to the USB input. If so it's quite an advantage compared to the majority of other DACs which benefit from an add-on device to provide such isolation. Many thanks for your support!
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James, I have a question if you'd be so kind. The Bryston DAC brochure states: "Each electrical input is galvanically isolated to completely eliminate the possibility of ground noise from the attached interconnect and device from polluting the signal." I wanted to please confirm that the galvanic isolation applies to the USB input. If so it's quite an advantage compared to the majority of other DACs which benefit from an add-on device to provide such isolation. Many thanks for your support!
Yes it does apply.
james
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That's great to hear, and your response time is amazing! I just received my BDA-3 (silver, blue LEDs and remote) yesterday and have it currently running in. My initial listen was quite impressive playing some high res files, and I know it will get even better in time. I have to remember that patience is a virtue - I've had the DAC on order since November. As the saying goes 'good things come to those who wait'. Your exceptional support and fine products are very much appreciated!
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hi, audio.bill!
what remote came with your BDA-3? i guess it's the BR-2 ?!?
thanx,
al.
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Hi Al - It is indeed the BR2 remote which is available as an option. It has a lot more buttons than used for their DACs since it also supports their other remote controlled gear. http://www.bryston.com/products/other/BR2.html (http://www.bryston.com/products/other/BR2.html)
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My BDA-3 arrived today.
Allready connected and running for couple of hours.
I'm happy to say that there is no need to search hard
For the improvements and refinements Bryston engineer achieved.
Noise floor it's quite ...feel sound come from pitch black airy yet full with detailes.
Bass notes are shaped with body and subtle textures ...you can hear the Mini T woofer start and stop amazing.
High notes round and even, class A like,total free from digital edginess.
It make you want to turn volum to high sun hour.
Slam...we'll that some steps forward everything hit with intent attack and evenness
lows as highs foot tapping generator.
Just had one symphony of earlier Hyden
And happy Darius Rucker for the mood.
Simple strait 44.1/16
both are win hands.
Will see further in coming days.
I'm really happy with it so far and wanted to share and report
back.
Thanks
Yitshak
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Hi Al - It is indeed the BR2 remote which is available as an option. It has a lot more buttons than used for their DACs since it also supports their other remote controlled gear. http://www.bryston.com/products/other/BR2.html (http://www.bryston.com/products/other/BR2.html)
congrats on your new toy :thumb:
the BR-2 can't switch the hdmi / usb inputs. is that correct??
al.
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Thanks Al! It lets you select the USB input, but I don't see any buttons for HDMI (which I'm not using.) I believe it does have some programmable buttons. Maybe James can provide the definitive answer.
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Thanks Al! It lets you select the USB input, but I don't see any buttons for HDMI (which I'm not using.) I believe it does have some programmable buttons. Maybe James can provide the definitive answer.
Hi
No it can not access the HDMI
james
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Has anyone considered using Oppo BDT-101CI instead of getting the 103 or 105? This one is a pure transport with HDMI out.
The only concern would be if Oppo would ask you to go to your reseller for issues with it. This cannot be purchased on Oppo's site.
But to me looks like the perfect match for the BDA-3.
https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdt-101CI/
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HI James,
How can one access the HDMI remotely? Did you release a dedicated remote yet?
Cheers,
Marius
Hi
No it can not access the HDMI
james
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HI James,
How can one access the HDMI remotely? Did you release a dedicated remote yet?
Cheers,
Marius
Not yet - we are looking at remotes now.
james
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Congrats to those receiving their units. I am hoping mine arrives (via AudioAdvisor) before long. Really looking forward to this DAC.
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Congrats to those receiving their units. I am hoping mine arrives (via AudioAdvisor) before long. Really looking forward to this DAC.
You will love it! Mine is feeding a McIntosh C2500 preamp into a Bryston 14bsst2 and Bryston Model T's. I want James and Gary to come back to my house and hear this!
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Has anyone considered using Oppo BDT-101CI instead of getting the 103 or 105? This one is a pure transport with HDMI out.
The only concern would be if Oppo would ask you to go to your reseller for issues with it. This cannot be purchased on Oppo's site.
But to me looks like the perfect match for the BDA-3.
https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdt-101CI/
I agree. You could play regular cd via coax (BDA-3 is able to upsample the signal) and SACD/Blue ray/dvd via HDMI
Is anyone using BDA-3 with Oppo products? any comments on that?
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Hi Folks
I am happy to report that this week we received our 300th order for the BDA-3 DAC :thumb:
Thanks to all our customers for making this product a huge success for us - much appreciated :thumb:
James
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:beer: :beer: :beer:
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Thanks to you James for your support
And to Bryston for first rate innovation.
BDA-3 is State of the art product!
Amazing sound can't have enough of it. :thumb:
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Hi Folks
I am happy to report that this week we received our 300th order for the BDA-3 DAC :thumb:
Thanks to all our customers for making this product a huge success for us - much appreciated :thumb:
James
Congrats James! Well deserved!
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congrats, Bryston :thumb: and keep up the good work!!
al.
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I can't wait to get mine i have already made a spot for it. I remember back in 1994 or so when i bought my 4Bst and preamp Bryston at that time had a questionnaire to fill out about what kind of products you would like to see them design and i had said D/A converters i never really thought they ever would. Cheers on your success James. How long is the lead time? I ordered mine from Blue Door in Parksville on the island Feb 2.
Cheers X
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I can't wait to get mine i have already made a spot for it. I remember back in 1994 or so when i bought my 4Bst and preamp Bryston at that time had a questionnaire to fill out about what kind of products you would like to see them design and i had said D/A converters i never really thought they ever would. Cheers on your success James. How long is the lead time? I ordered mine from Blue Door in Parksville on the island Feb 2.
Cheers X
Hi X
Well thank you for purchasing the BDA3 - much appreciated. I would say you should get it mid March.
James
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Fantastic can't wait
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Just got my BDA 3.. sounds fantastic.
A quick question, would a product like an AudioQuest Jitterbug help as I have my MacBook Pro laptop connected to the BDA via USB? I am assuming that the BDA already has the noise reduction built into it's circuity.
Any thoughts?
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Just got my BDA 3.. sounds fantastic.
A quick question, would a product like an AudioQuest Jitterbug help as I have my MacBook Pro laptop connected to the BDA via USB? I am assuming that the BDA already has the noise reduction built into it's circuity.
Any thoughts?
HI Renato6
I am not familiar with the Jitter Bug - I assume it reduces the jitter on the input? The USB in the BDA3 is asynchronous so the quality of the audio is controlled by the BDA-3 not the MAC.
james
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HI Renato6
I am not familiar with the Jitter Bug - I assume it reduces the jitter on the input? The USB in the BDA3 is asynchronous so the quality of the audio is controlled by the BDA-3 not the MAC.
james
Yes .. here is info from the site
USB Data & Power Noise Filter
Dual Discrete Noise-Dissipation Circuits
Reduces the noise and ringing that plague both the data and power lines of USB ports
Measurably reduces jitter and packet errors
Improves dynamic contrast, warmth and resolution
The Problem: All computing devices—laptops, smartphones, Network Attached Storage devices (NAS drives), media servers, etc.—inherently generate a significant amount of noise and parasitic resonances. Additionally, computers contribute a considerable amount of RFI and EMI pollution onto the signal paths—all of which can easily find its way onto your USB cables and into your audio system. This noise and interference has many negative effects. Noise-compromised digital circuitry increases jitter and packet errors, resulting in distortion that causes a comparatively flat and irritating sound. Noise-compromised analog circuitry also damages the sound’s depth,
warmth and resolution.
The Solution: JitterBug’s dual-circuitry measurably reduces unwanted noise currents and parasitic resonances. It also reduces jitter and packet errors (in some cases, packet errors are completely eliminated).
I assumed the Jitterbug is redundant in this case and to streamline I removed it. It did help (I think :) ) when I was running my Schitt Modi 2 as my temp DAC.
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Yes .. here is info from the site
USB Data & Power Noise Filter
Dual Discrete Noise-Dissipation Circuits
Reduces the noise and ringing that plague both the data and power lines of USB ports
Measurably reduces jitter and packet errors
Improves dynamic contrast, warmth and resolution
The Problem: All computing devices—laptops, smartphones, Network Attached Storage devices (NAS drives), media servers, etc.—inherently generate a significant amount of noise and parasitic resonances. Additionally, computers contribute a considerable amount of RFI and EMI pollution onto the signal paths—all of which can easily find its way onto your USB cables and into your audio system. This noise and interference has many negative effects. Noise-compromised digital circuitry increases jitter and packet errors, resulting in distortion that causes a comparatively flat and irritating sound. Noise-compromised analog circuitry also damages the sound’s depth,
warmth and resolution.
The Solution: JitterBug’s dual-circuitry measurably reduces unwanted noise currents and parasitic resonances. It also reduces jitter and packet errors (in some cases, packet errors are completely eliminated).
I assumed the Jitterbug is redundant in this case and to streamline I removed it. It did help (I think :) ) when I was running my Schitt Modi 2 as my temp DAC.
Hi
I spoke to engineering and they feel it would be redundant but listen both ways and see what you think.
james
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Hi
I spoke to engineering and they feel it would be redundant but listen both ways and see what you think.
james
Thanks James, I removed it as I heard no difference.
Here is a very basic question so I apologize in advance.
I have a MacBook Pro --> USB --> BDA-3 to a BP-6 to a 4BSST2
I have an older CD player (Harmon Kardon) with only 2 RCA outputs. Right now I just plug it into my BP6.
If I wanted to take advantage of my BDA 3 for CD playback, I assume I would need a CD player with optical output (Toslink or SPDIF) then I can connect it to the BDA.
Would I notice a difference going from CD -->Optical --> BDA3 --> BP6 as opposed to CD --> RCA --> BP6?
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Thanks James, I removed it as I heard no difference.
Here is a very basic question so I apologize in advance.
I have a MacBook Pro --> USB --> BDA-3 to a BP-6 to a 4BSST2
I have an older CD player (Harmon Kardon) with only 2 RCA outputs. Right now I just plug it into my BP6.
If I wanted to take advantage of my BDA 3 for CD playback, I assume I would need a CD player with optical output (Toslink or SPDIF) then I can connect it to the BDA.
Would I notice a difference going from CD -->Optical --> BDA3 --> BP6 as opposed to CD --> RCA --> BP6?
Hi
Have a look on the back of your CD Player - even the older ones had an RCA Digital output jack. Connect that to the BDA3 and you will get a major improvement.
james
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Hi
Have a look on the back of your CD Player - even the older ones had an RCA Digital output jack. Connect that to the BDA3 and you will get a major improvement.
james
I checked on the weekend, my CD player only has the 2 RCA connectors, that can't be connect to the BDA 3 correct?
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I checked on the weekend, my CD player only has the 2 RCA connectors, that can't be connect to the BDA 3 correct?
Yes that is correct - they are analog outputs.
james
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Yes that is correct - they are analog outputs.
james
Great, thanks since I don't listen to CDs that much I will find a CD player that is reasonably priced with Digital output so I can take advantage of the BDA 3. It sounds so nice I want to take advantage of it! :thumb:
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Consider ripping your CDs to FLAC (or any lossless file format you prefer) and play them from your Mac. And/or consider a universal disc player to play CDs, SACDs, and DVDas to your DAC via HDMI.
If you are a CD purist, I seem to remember reading here on the forum tha Bryston has a new CD player in the works. I don't have clue if the BDA3 is needed with that, yet to be released, device.
My wife got me a Sony CD player in 1986. It was the only player I have owned that did not have digital out SPDIF of some sort. I guess a specialty CD player might consider skipping its own DAC to be a bad thing, and not have digital out. I have never owned a really good CD player. My current HiFi era pretty much started with computer music through headphones. With a quality DAC, I never persued high level CD players.
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston A3 Speaker – Distributor Comments
March 2016
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138368)
Hi James,
Three (3) wonderful products arrived at PMC from Bryston recently.
We’ve just run up the Bryston A3 speakers and we’re really excited. They sound great and they offer a lot of performance for the money.
The Cubed amps are amazing. So much smoother, greater depth and height information. It all sounds so much more “real” A big thank you to whoever came up with this improvement. We are measuring substantially lower THD at high frequencies (always a good sign) and the common mode rejection of the balanced inputs is almost 20dB better……incredible results!
The BDA-3 blows the BDA-2 out of the game. So much more detail, smoother and well-judged overall balance.
Thank you,
Peter Thomas
Managing Director
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What does your BDA-3 weigh?
Strange question, perhaps. As I unpacked my brand new BDA-3 last weekend, and swapped out my trusty BDA-2 on the rack, I couldn't help but notice the difference in heft. The slender BDA-2 (and BDP-2) are renowned for their solid, brick-like feel, conveyed by substantial mass. The new DAC felt very light in comparison, despite it's larger chassis. Before hooking things up, I pulled out a small, reasonably accurate scale to measure the 2 components. The BDA-2 weighed in at 12.5 lbs. Solid to say the least. Just as stated in specs. The BDA-3 weighed just 8.6 lbs! I searched the included manual for specs and measurements, and noted that Weight was left blank. So I checked on the Bryston site, where BDA-3's weight is listed at 15 lbs/6.8 kg, almost twice my unit's weight.
So what gives?
Is the posted weight simply a typo? That would be unusual as the metric weight correlates. Was it the weight of a previous "prototype" before switching from steel to a lighter, perhaps all aluminum chassis? If so, would a steel vs aluminum chassis explain a 7 lb difference? Are there any 15 pound BDA-3's out there in service? Are there sonic/performance rationales for a lighter chassis?
In this industry, solid construction is typically linked to weight. Sure, non-ferrous metal has it's known advantages as well. But mass typically is associated with lower chassis resonance, better vibration control, better coupling to platforms, etc. And I don't see any advantages to lowering weight simply for the sake of weight reduction in such a small component. It's not a car, after all.
Anyway, not to sound paranoid or critical, but really just curious. Especially with the discrepancy between the posted and real weight.
As to the SOUND...I'm letting things mature a few more days before any critical listening. I learned with my BDA-2/BDP-2 combo it took a good 2 weeks to come to its glorious best. And considering I'm also using a new USB cable, and passing signal thru the BUC circuit for the first time, I don't want to jump the gun.
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Hi
The weight difference is because we went to an aluminum chassis instead of a steel chassis.
Must be a typo on the weight will have that looked at. Thanks for chatching it.
James
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Hi
The weight difference is because we went to an aluminum chassis instead of a steel chassis.
Must be a typo on the weight will have that looked at. Thanks for chatching it.
James
Hi James!
Did you change the BDA-2 and BDP-2 chassis to aluminium on the current models as well or do they remain steel?
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi James!
Did you change the BDA-2 and BDP-2 chassis to aluminium on the current models as well or do they remain steel?
Cheers!
Antun
Hi
They are staying the same. Just the newer designs are going to aluminium.
james
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Hi, I have not read all 3d, but I want to understand what is the best connection between a BDP-2 and BDA-3, and which type of cable is better (now I use a Digital AES/EBU between my BDP-2 and my BDA- 2).
My doubt: which BDP-2 output is connected to BDA-3 usb input?
If I understand correctly I can use an 'AES/EBU-AES/EBU' cable for pcm files, but for the dsd files I need a '...-USB'
I hope You understand something :-)
Roberto
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Hi, I have not read all 3d, but I want to understand what is the best connection between a BDP-2 and BDA-3, and which type of cable is better (now I use a Digital AES/EBU between my BDP-2 and my BDA- 2).
My doubt: which BDP-2 output is connected to BDA-3 usb input?
If I understand correctly I can use an 'AES/EBU-AES/EBU' cable for pcm files, but for the dsd files I need a '...-USB'
I hope You understand something :-)
Roberto
Hi Roberto
Yes if you want to play DSD files as well as PCM files with a single cable you need to use the USB out from the BDP to the USB in on the BDA-3.
If you just want PCM then you can use the AES.
You can also switch back and forth between AES and USB on the BDA-3 while you are listening to PCM if you want to do that comparison in sound.
james
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Hi Roberto
Yes if you want to play DSD files as well as PCM files with a single cable you need to use the USB out from the BDP to the USB in on the BDA-3.
If you just want PCM then you can use the AES.
You can also switch back and forth between AES and USB on the BDA-3 while you are listening to PCM if you want to do that comparison in sound.
james
Ok James, I was uncertain because on BDP-2 manual I always read ''USB Inputs'', but rear panel USB are also outputs...
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Ok James, I was uncertain because on BDP-2 manual I always read ''USB Inputs'', but rear panel USB are also outputs...
Correct - USB is a 2-way system. Just plug in the USB cable - reboot the BDP - and the USB will work as a sending connection.
james
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Hi
They are staying the same. Just the newer designs are going to aluminium.
james
Hi James!
A bit of an off-topic here but what about the chassis on the BHA-1 headamp? Is it alumunium or steel?
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi James!
A bit of an off-topic here but what about the chassis on the BHA-1 headamp? Is it alumunium or steel?
Cheers!
Antun
I believe steel
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Hi James,
Just received first BDA-3 in Romania, we are distributors. We have in our showroom Oppo universal optical players, BDT101CI, BDP-103D etc.
I connected on HDMI and inserted SACD's with output set to Stereo and DSD from source.
On BDA-3 the led goes on green on DSD, but never amber. Oppo says the output is native DSD if I setup properly.
What is the explanation? I expected this product for this DSD native on HDMI feature, does this mean all players send DoP not DSD?
Thank you
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Hi James,
Just received first BDA-3 in Romania, we are distributors. We have in our showroom Oppo universal optical players, BDT101CI, BDP-103D etc.
I connected on HDMI and inserted SACD's with output set to Stereo and DSD from source.
On BDA-3 the led goes on green on DSD, but never amber. Oppo says the output is native DSD if I setup properly.
What is the explanation? I expected this product for this DSD native on HDMI feature, does this mean all players send DoP not DSD?
Thank you
Hi
Yes all players i have tried send DOP as far as I know. I have not tried the OPPO with Native - not sure how you do that as I do not see a choice between DSD DOP and DSD Native in the OPPO menu's?
Remember you are playing SACD which is DSD64 only through HDMI. The SOURCE tells the BDA3 what to play so the SOURCE has to be outputting Native DSD for the BDA3 to see it.
The only way I have got Native to play is with JRiver and Foobar 2000 on a computer.
james
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Hi,
if I remember correctly I tried with a Pioneer Blue Ray and I was able to play DSD native via HDMI - I had to select Pure Audio setting and Bitstream audio output on HDMI audio out. I did it one month ago so I could be wrong. I think that also Oppo has similar options, but I din't own any Oppo so far, so I'm just assuming...
Any other users who tried?
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Hi,
if I remember correctly I tried with a Pioneer Blue Ray and I was able to play DSD native via HDMI - I had to select Pure Audio setting and Bitstream audio output on HDMI audio out. I did it one month ago so I could be wrong. I think that also Oppo has similar options, but I din't own any Oppo so far, so I'm just assuming...
Any other users who tried?
Hi Grant
Can you tell me what Pioneer player it was.
james
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Hi James,
Just received first BDA-3 in Romania, we are distributors. We have in our showroom Oppo universal optical players, BDT101CI, BDP-103D etc.
I connected on HDMI and inserted SACD's with output set to Stereo and DSD from source.
On BDA-3 the led goes on green on DSD, but never amber. Oppo says the output is native DSD if I setup properly.
What is the explanation? I expected this product for this DSD native on HDMI feature, does this mean all players send DoP not DSD?
Thank you
I was just at someone's house who was sending an Oppo output to a BDA-3. Does this help? http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-103-faq.html#does-the-player-output-sacd-dsd
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Sure,
it's the BDP-LX55
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I was just at someone's house who was sending an Oppo output to a BDA-3. Does this help? http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-103-faq.html#does-the-player-output-sacd-dsd
Thank you Phil. Yes, I think it does help.
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I was just at someone's house who was sending an Oppo output to a BDA-3. Does this help? http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-103-faq.html#does-the-player-output-sacd-dsd
Hi Phil,
Was he getting Native DSD?
james
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I will be using an Oppo 95 to feed the BDA-3 with DSD from SACD's. However, I also want at times to playback multichannel SACD's. I currently do this via the 95's analogue output into my Bryston SP 1.7 in Bypass Mode. Will I need to switch the Oppo out of DSD HDMI audio output in order for the internal Oppo processor to send an analogue signal to the 5 RCA jacks?
Also, will the same HDMI connection output CD's to be processed by the BDA-3?
Thanks for any input.
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Hi Phil,
Was he getting Native DSD?
james
James - it was at a Space Coast Audio Society get together. Most of the time JRiver with a Mac Mini in use (and since I brought over a hard drive I was sitting in the back corner playing tracks from that a significant amount of the time) and there was probably a couple of discs played. I saw different lights go on the front of the unit (but the closest I was to it was probably 5-6 feet away) and it was conveyed to me that that those indicated DSD was being passed. We have monthly meetings and I go to most of them and usually just sit back and enjoy the music.
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Hi Phil,
Was he getting Native DSD?
james
James - look at this - http://www.audioholics.com/blu-ray-and-dvd-player-reviews/oppo-bdp-105/oppo-bdp-105 Apparently one needs to use the HDMI 2 output.
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James - look at this - http://www.audioholics.com/blu-ray-and-dvd-player-reviews/oppo-bdp-105/oppo-bdp-105 Apparently one needs to use the HDMI 2 output.
So maybe not doable on the 103 just the 105?
Will look into it further.
james
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So maybe not doable on the 103 just the 105?
Will look into it further.
james
James - I don't believe there just be any difference functionally on the players for the HDMI outs.
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James - I don't believe there just be any difference functionally on the players for the HDMI outs.
Ok thanks
james
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Hi Folks,
I just want to be clear on this point.
Sometimes people refer to 'native' if the signal is not being converted to PCM, so they make no distinction between DSD DOP and Native DSD.
So the BDA-3 will indicate by a GREEN light the DSD signal is DOP and by an AMBER light if the signal is DSD Native.
We will do more tests here with our OPPO 103.
james
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Hi James,
I agree.
Anyway, the sonic result should be the same either with DOP or DSD Native, am I right?
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Hi James,
I agree.
Anyway, the sonic result should be the same either with DOP or DSD Native, am I right?
Yes correct - DOP is a true DSD signal - it is just wrapped in a PCM carrier.
james
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I have my Oppo 105D hooked up to the BDA-3 and playing SACD. Need to check whether or not my light is amber or not (I forget). Will be back in Texas tomorrow to check.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138838)
Hi James.
I had some time to put the Bryston BDA-3 through its paces and was very pleased. The midrange was detailed and dynamic with a natural bass presence anyone would enjoy.
The connectivity makes it easy to use many devices with ease and simplicity. I especially like the twin USB inputs that is rarely scene on on high performance DAC's.
USB 1 reserved for BDP-2
USB 2 reserved for all my other digital gear.
Great value for exceptional performance. Bravo Bryston.
Best Regards.
Ron
Altronics Stereo
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My silver BDA-3 arrived just before I headed to the beach. I hooked it up, and it plays beautiful music out of the box. I have it burning in until I get home.
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My silver BDA-3 arrived just before I headed to the beach. I hooked it up, and it plays beautiful music out of the box. I have it burning in until I get home.
OK - looking forward to your assessment. :thumb:
james
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I have my Oppo 105D hooked up to the BDA-3 and playing SACD. Need to check whether or not my light is amber or not (I forget). Will be back in Texas tomorrow to check.
Hi Scirica, did you have the chance to check?
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My silver BDA-3 arrived just before I headed to the beach. I hooked it up, and it plays beautiful music out of the box. I have it burning in until I get home.
I just received mine as well. Do you just leave it turned on for burning in?
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Hi Scirica, did you have the chance to check?
Just checked. Not Amber. Mine is Blue (Green for most). DSD 1X.
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I just received mine as well. Do you just leave it turned on for burning in?
Yep, turned the amp off, and left my Roon library to "play all".
I have some re-wiring of my audio system to do. The BDA-3 is much smaller than my AudioNoteKits, and I can put more things closer, and a lot less heat without those big transformers and tubes. I also need to do all the HDMI cables. (BluRay, Cable Box, APTV/Amazon Fire - to be determined - and room for a computer if I go back to a dedicated computer - using an Aries currently)
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Just checked. Not Amber. Mine is Blue (Green for most). DSD 1X.
Thanks
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Just checked. Not Amber. Mine is Blue (Green for most). DSD 1X.
To clarify that indicates that the BDA-3 is receiving the DSD in DoP format. If it was 'native DSD' the LED would be amber.
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To clarify that indicates that the BDA-3 is receiving the DSD in DoP format. If it was 'native DSD' the LED would be amber.
True statement. Was there some ambiguity? Oppo sends DoP. My local DSF files come through without the wrapper.
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Hey James,
I have received my BDA-3 and this means a lot of effort in the coming weeks to listen to the collection again. Maybe I should wait till the SST3, but no, it is always enjoyable to listen and find something else - Audioholic Sickness :thumb:
Just a quick question on button configuration, why is the power button on the right side? I would say about 90% of audio equipment have their power switches on the left side, not to mention all my Bryston components....
Regards, Luigi
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Hey James,
I have received my BDA-3 and this means a lot of effort in the coming weeks to listen to the collection again. Maybe I should wait till the SST3, but no, it is always enjoyable to listen and find something else - Audioholic Sickness :thumb:
Just a quick question on button configuration, why is the power button on the right side? I would say about 90% of audio equipment have their power switches on the left side, not to mention all my Bryston components....
Regards, Luigi
It really comes down to what provides the shortest signal path and the reduction of any interference between power components and sensitive circuitry.
james
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True statement. Was there some ambiguity? Oppo sends DoP. My local DSF files come through without the wrapper.
I only clarified since I thought there might be some confusion (by others) about the various color LEDs (green, blue, amber) and their meaning.
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I've just upgraded from a BDA-1 to a BDA-3. In my system I've noticed a dramatic sound quality improvement. I'm genuinely really surprised how much better it sounds. I had sibilance with the BDP-1, and this is almost completely gone. It's not just the high frequencies that you can hear a difference, the mid range and lower frequencies are also much better. Bear in mind that the BDA-1 is not a bad sounding piece of kit, but the BDA-3 makes it look inadequate. I'm very impressed.
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Very happy with the BDA-3 so far. Wide and deep sound stage, great highs and mids and lows, and very musical. I'm sure my previous DAC needed a re-tubing, but I am not going back.
I seem to have some bad HDMI cable in my box. I was unable to get sound out of HDMI (Oppo 95) and the BDA-3 was saying I had bad HDMI cable on the IP Gui page. I have some new, short ones coming tomorrow.
Can anyone tell me their Oppo setup that does work, in case I'm doing that wrong? I tried a DVDa and managed to get video to the TV, but never sound.
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Hi James,
Question on Jriver / Windows 8.1
In Settings - Audio - Audio Device, there is no "BDA-3 (ASIO)" item as manual picture shows, it is only "Bryston USB Audio ASIO Driver". Is this ok? When selecting Device Settings, there is no "Maximize device volume" setting, only a dropdown to choose the volume device, which I set to "BDA-3"
I am not prefering DSD, but I need to see all functions working. So far, in matters of sound, this new DAC is so special, congratulations! The sound has more detail, solidity, very convincing...
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Hi James,
Question on Jriver / Windows 8.1
In Settings - Audio - Audio Device, there is no "BDA-3 (ASIO)" item as manual picture shows, it is only "Bryston USB Audio ASIO Driver". Is this ok? When selecting Device Settings, there is no "Maximize device volume" setting, only a dropdown to choose the volume device, which I set to "BDA-3"
I am not prefering DSD, but I need to see all functions working. So far, in matters of sound, this new DAC is so special, congratulations! The sound has more detail, solidity, very convincing...
Hi
I agree - there is something 'right' about this new DAC - it continues to surprise me daily in my setup.
I use Windows 10 but Bryston USB should be fine, You do not want to have the signal go through a digital volume control so set it to MAX if you have a choice.
james
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Very happy with the BDA-3 so far. Wide and deep sound stage, great highs and mids and lows, and very musical. I'm sure my previous DAC needed a re-tubing, but I am not going back.
I seem to have some bad HDMI cable in my box. I was unable to get sound out of HDMI (Oppo 95) and the BDA-3 was saying I had bad HDMI cable on the IP Gui page. I have some new, short ones coming tomorrow.
Can anyone tell me their Oppo setup that does work, in case I'm doing that wrong? I tried a DVDa and managed to get video to the TV, but never sound.
I had a similar experience with my dual-HDMI setup using my Oppo 103. I was using HDMI 1 into my Marantz AVR for movies, playing through a dedicated surround system. I used HDMI-2 to send SACD-DSD to my Bryston BDA-3, feeding my separate 2-channel system. With this setup, I was unable to get audio from my BluRay discs. I checked with Oppo customer service and was informed that when both HDMI outlets are active, HDMI-1 becomes video only. If you want to hear full Dolby/DTS audio, you must turn off the Bryston DAC, or unplug the HDMI-2. Normal function.
So I just shut down my DAC when watching movies. Works fine.
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I had a similar experience with my dual-HDMI setup using my Oppo 103. I was using HDMI 1 into my Marantz AVR for movies, playing through a dedicated surround system. I used HDMI-2 to send SACD-DSD to my Bryston BDA-3, feeding my separate 2-channel system. With this setup, I was unable to get audio from my BluRay discs. I checked with Oppo customer service and was informed that when both HDMI outlets are active, HDMI-1 becomes video only. If you want to hear full Dolby/DTS audio, you must turn off the Bryston DAC, or unplug the HDMI-2. Normal function.
So I just shut down my DAC when watching movies. Works fine.
Good tip Tympani - thanks
james
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I only clarified since I thought there might be some confusion (by others) about the various color LEDs (green, blue, amber) and their meaning.
Good point!
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Thanks Tympani, I am not using HDMI-2 on the Oppo. My new HDMI cables came in today, I hope to be trying them out this evening (spouse dependent).
I don't plan to use anything but stereo in my room, even with movies. Can I not tell the Oppo to just output digital stereo all the time?
I don't understand the audio settings (2 different tabs) in the Oppo menu enough to be certain of what I am doing.
Not a BDA-3 issue, just trying to figure things out. If needed, I can use the stereo out of the Oppo for movies if the dolby is not bypassable digitally.
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Bones, definitely send a detailed email to Oppo customer service. They were great, responding within a couple of hours to my initial question, and then maintaining a brisk dialog to resolve the issues. Classy outfit!
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Yeah, I had HDMI-1 set to "video only". Works well now. BluRay volume is low, I need to look into that, but I have plenty of room to make it loud enough. Cable box works fine, sound is great through my 2.1 speaker setup. Started working on an AppleTV-4.
I did do a firmware do over with no problem. Music from the Aries is superb, very happy so far.
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I think the Oppo's default volume is "variable". In the settings, you can switch it to "fixed". That'll likely resolve your problem.
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Repeating my question from January, are any BDA-3 owners using HQ Player to upsample 16/44 PCM to DSD 512 ?
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EuroDriver - The BDA-3 supports up to DSD256 (quad DSD) natively, so it would not work with a DSD512 upsampled signal. You could use HQPlayer to upsample to DSD256 though, but I haven't read of anyone doing so yet.
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Aloplogies for my typo ! I meant DSD 256 !! :oops:
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Aloplogies for my typo ! I meant DSD 256 !! :oops:
I actually did try that briefly over the weekend, and it sounded very good. However, I was just trying out HQPlayer for the first time (with Roon) so I'm not certain I was really using HQPlayer at its optimum.
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Hey James,
There is a new DAC chip from AKM. The number of the DAC chip is 4497 and the specifications appear to be better than 4490 chip, specifications listed below:
DAC 4497
- Maximum Sampling Frequency, Bit rate: PCM 768kHz/32-bit, DSD 22.4MHz
- SNR:128/131dB
- THD+N: -116dB
- Sound Color Digital Filter: 6 types
DAC 4490
- Maximum Sampling Frequency, Bit rate: PCM768kHz/32-bit, DSD128(5.6MHz)
- SNR: 120/123dB
- THD+N: -101dB
- Sound Color Digital Filter: 5 types
And now the question is if Bryston will test this new DAC versus the existing DAC in the BDA-3?
Luigi
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Hey James,
There is a new DAC chip from AKM. The number of the DAC chip is 4497 and the specifications appear to be better than 4490 chip, specifications listed below:
DAC 4497
- Maximum Sampling Frequency, Bit rate: PCM 768kHz/32-bit, DSD 22.4MHz
- SNR:128/131dB
- THD+N: -116dB
- Sound Color Digital Filter: 6 types
DAC 4490
- Maximum Sampling Frequency, Bit rate: PCM768kHz/32-bit, DSD128(5.6MHz)
- SNR: 120/123dB
- THD+N: -101dB
- Sound Color Digital Filter: 5 types
And now the question is if Bryston will test this new DAC versus the existing DAC in the BDA-3?
Luigi
Hi Luigi
Yes we are aware of that chip and have samples - we will see what we think going forward. It is one of the reasons we made the BDA3 modular so if we feel a better performing DAC comes along we can use it and existing customers can upgrade if they wish. Remember though the DAC is only part of the overall design - power supply, circuit layout, ground plans, and how the DAC integrates with the other circuitry in the DAC has to be taken into account. Also in this business there is always something 'new' and new does not always mean better.
james
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Hey James,
And this is why there is pride in owning our Bryston products. Bryston is always trying to improve the audio/video experience, but keeping the costs for consumers at reasonable rate for their products. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Luigi
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Hi Luigi
Yes we are aware of that chip and have samples - we will see what we think going forward. It is one of the reasons we made the BDA3 modular so if we feel a better performing DAC comes along we can use it and existing customers can upgrade if they wish. Remember though the DAC is only part of the overall design - power supply, circuit layout, ground plans, and how the DAC integrates with the other circuitry in the DAC has to be taken into account. Also in this business there is always something 'new' and new does not always mean better.
james
I didn't realized the DAC was modular. I love that Bryston considers this stuff!
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Hello
Just getting ready to connect a CD transport to my BDA3.
Any opinions on whether I should use the the Toslink Fiber Optic or S/P Dif 1 Coaxial RCA? My run is less than 3 feet.
I know there are lots of opinions but any feedback as to what you found would be helpful
Regards
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Any opinions on whether I should use the the Toslink Fiber Optic or S/P Dif 1 Coaxial RCA? My run is less than 3 feet.
I've found with the majority of players and the majority of DACs that the Coaxial S/PDIF generally sounds better than the optical TOSLINK S/PDIF. The sound is more cohesive, more "in focus" (perhaps a bit less jitter?).
The TOSLINK interface is of marginal quality in a lot of players, and the signal has to be converted from electrical to optical and back again. On the other hand if for some reason you're getting some noise or hum with the coaxial connection, the galvanically isolated optical may be the way to go!
Steve
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I've found with the majority of players and the majority of DACs that the Coaxial S/PDIF generally sounds better than the optical TOSLINK S/PDIF. The sound is more cohesive, more "in focus" (perhaps a bit less jitter?).
The TOSLINK interface is of marginal quality in a lot of players, and the signal has to be converted from electrical to optical and back again. On the other hand if for some reason you're getting some noise or hum with the coaxial connection, the galvanically isolated optical may be the way to go!
Steve
Thanks.
I am running a Cambridge CXC. What would be a decent brand of Coaxial cable to buy? Don't want to spend a lot as I don't listen to CDs all that much.
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I am running a Cambridge CXC. What would be a decent brand of Coaxial cable to buy? Don't want to spend a lot as I don't listen to CDs all that much.
Blue Jeans Cable Digital Audio Cable (http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/digital-audio/index.htm) (Belden 1694A w/ Canare "75 ohm" connectors)
would be a solid low-cost (3 foot @ $16.00) option.
Steve
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Blue Jeans Cable Digital Audio Cable (http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/digital-audio/index.htm) (Belden 1694A w/ Canare "75 ohm" connectors)
would be a solid low-cost (3 foot @ $16.00) option.
Steve
Great thanks, I was actually just looking at those.
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All of the electrical inputs on the BDA-3 are galvanically isolated, so that would not be an advantage to support use of its TOSLINK input.
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All of the electrical inputs on the BDA-3 are galvanically isolated, so that would not be an advantage to support use of its TOSLINK input.
In general, the S/Dif Digital coaxial provides better sound, Toslink is better if you get electrical interference and have long runs correct?
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While many may agree with that assessment, I think it will vary depending upon differences in each system and the connected gear. Like most things in high end audio there are often trade-offs which need to be evaluated.
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Hi Luigi
Yes we are aware of that chip and have samples - we will see what we think going forward. It is one of the reasons we made the BDA3 modular so if we feel a better performing DAC comes along we can use it and existing customers can upgrade if they wish. ...
james
This is very interesting.
Would you ever consider doing this on the SP3 replacement? Implementing say a card based design, even if just for the DACS in a manner similar to what Theta Digital does with their Casablanca SSP's.
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i absolutely LOVE that concept. I'm guessing the problem comes with the processors, etc. But maybe DAC upgrades are possible?
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This is very interesting.
Would you ever consider doing this on the SP3 replacement? Implementing say a card based design, even if just for the DACS in a manner similar to what Theta Digital does with their Casablanca SSP's.
Yes processors come with the chips and DACs on one circuit board so much harder to separate
james
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I just received my bda just wondering how often and how to update firmware
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I understand that the BR2 cannot select the HDMI inputs, but are there codes that the BDA-3 will respond to?
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I understand that the BR2 cannot select the HDMI inputs, but are there codes that the BDA-3 will respond to?
Not sure. Email Mike on that. Mpickett@bryston.com
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I understand that the BR2 cannot select the HDMI inputs, but are there codes that the BDA-3 will respond to?
You Have to used HEX CODES (Discrete Codes) with a universal remote Control
Mike Can Send you thoses Codes
I am using HEX CODES for my Bryston Gear
Martin
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I've just ordered a BDA-3 to replace my BDA-1, which is moving to my basement system. I'm wondering if I can plug my laptop into the BDA-3's USB port without turning the BDA-3 off. The manual for the BDA-1 says not to hot swap, but there is no such warning for the BDA 3. I was hoping to just leave the USB cable plugged into the back of the BDA-3 at all times and plug and unplug my laptop in as needed.
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I always turn off BDA-1 to switch out ICs or pc's. Just to be safe. Takes just a split second to hit the power button on BDA.
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I've just ordered a BDA-3 to replace my BDA-1, which is moving to my basement system. I'm wondering if I can plug my laptop into the BDA-3's USB port without turning the BDA-3 off. The manual for the BDA-1 says not to hot swap, but there is no such warning for the BDA 3. I was hoping to just leave the USB cable plugged into the back of the BDA-3 at all times and plug and unplug my laptop in as needed.
You might consider switching inputs when you do it, toggling the BDA-3 to an unused input, then toggling it back to the USB input once the laptop is connected.
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Hi Folks,
First German review on our BDA-3 DAC :thumb:
We have recently online first review on BDA-3:
http://www.hifistatement.net/tests/item/1708-bryston-bda-3
Best regards
Edvard
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... what about a review in English? :-)
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... what about a review in English?
You're an American? Not everyone in the world writes English.
Google Translate might help here.
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... what about a review in English? :-)
I have a few on the go
james
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I'm wondering if I can plug my laptop into the BDA-3's USB port without turning the BDA-3 off. The manual for the BDA-1 says not to hot swap, but there is no such warning for the BDA 3. I was hoping to just leave the USB cable plugged into the back of the BDA-3 at all times and plug and unplug my laptop in as needed.
I have not run into any problems with hot plugging the USB input with the BDA-3, including unplugging/plugging-in at the computer end like you described.
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By definition, the USB specification allows for hot swapping / plugging. I've personally never ran into a problem on any computer or device since USB 1.0 was officially released in 1996.
Manufacturers who may post warnings against such, are probably trying to eliminate any possibility of data corruption to hard drives or memory modules that are being actively written to while being unplugged. Depending on the OS and firmware, this could be sometime after the command was executed due to delayed cache writing.
That's the only reason Windows PCs have a USB device eject function in the system tray / notification area of the taskbar.
Steve
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... what about a review in English? :-)
Use Chrome it will translate it.
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Loving my BDA-3.
I've had it for about a month. A few times I've noticed that it won't turn it on with the power button. I have to unplug the power cable and then press the power button and it turns on.
Any thoughts or has anyone else experienced this?
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Loving my BDA-3.
I've had it for about a month. A few times I've noticed that it won't turn it on with the power button. I have to unplug the power cable and then press the power button and it turns on.
Any thoughts or has anyone else experienced this?
Happened to me yesterday first time.
no unplug was needed as it turn on after 3 or so more press,
It's working fine for now (just checked).
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:thumb:
I have a few on the go
james
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Use Chrome it will translate it.
I will
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Hi Folks,
First German review on our BDA-3 DAC :thumb:
We have recently online first review on BDA-3:
http://www.hifistatement.net/tests/item/1708-bryston-bda-3
Best regards
Edvard
Hi James
A lengthy and very informative review in German which begins and ends with respect and approval of the company and its products — excellent !
Ernie Fisher
Inner Ear Report
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Loving my BDA-3.
I've had it for about a month. A few times I've noticed that it won't turn it on with the power button. I have to unplug the power cable and then press the power button and it turns on.
Any thoughts or has anyone else experienced this?
This happens to me regularly. Remote only powers up the BDA-3 about 50% of the time. The power button is also unreliable. I have to use multiple presses of the power button to get the unit to fire up.
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Why don't you just leave it on? DACs generally sound best after they reach a stable operating temperature and they draw negligible current, so I always leave my DACs powered up for best performance.
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Hi Folks
I will ask engineering but I have 3 BDA-3's at home and never experience any on/off issues?
james
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Hi Folks
I will ask engineering but I have 3 BDA-3's at home and never experience any on/off issues?
james
Thanks James.
Came back from office and it Fired at once
Like it should.
The sound quality of this unit is per none.
Waiting for the English reviews on it to see how artfully word will be chosen
To describe the unit performance.
regarding leaving the unit on (use to do it with other DAC which I care less for it's
Life span).
does the capsitors life span in the DAC and PRE don't get short considerably as in power amp??
Itshak
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Thanks James.
Came back from office and it Fired at once
Like it should.
The sound quality of this unit is per none.
Waiting for the English reviews on it to see how artfully word will be chosen
To describe the unit performance.
regarding leaving the unit on (use to do it with other DAC which I care less for it's
Life span).
does the capsitors life span in the DAC and PRE don't get short considerably as in power amp??
Itshak
HI
Generally leaving a transistor unit on will lengthen its life as the wear and tear comes from constant expansion and contraction of the parts as it is turn on and off. Also leaving it on maintains a constant thermal temperature across the circuit boards which reduces any opportunity for humidity to affect the circuits. Also I think gear sounds better after it has been on for a while (please do not report this to our engineers :nono:
james
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HI
Generally leaving a transistor unit on will lengthen its life as the wear and tear comes from constant expansion and contraction of the parts as it is turn on and off. Also leaving it on maintains a constant thermal temperature across the circuit boards which reduces any opportunity for humidity to affect the circuits. Also I think gear sounds better after it has been on for a while (please do not report this to our engineers :nono:
james
Great to get reassure on that,
No telling :)
I heard different in sound as well when I tried that in the past.
It's noticble more rounded in the upper mid to the highest notes the way I perceive it.
Fine PRE/DAC units will stay on.
AMP ...I will keep turning off while I'm out and about for
safety / greener planet.
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So I do see that several people are having the on/off issue.
Leaving the constantly on debate to the side and it's related benefits, is there not an concern that the devices do not reliably turn on? In this forum alone there have been several people mentioning this behavior, is this a flaw?
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So I do see that several people are having the on/off issue.
Leaving the constantly on debate to the side and it's related benefits, is there not an concern that the devices do not reliably turn on? In this forum alone there have been several people mentioning this behavior, is this a flaw?
Hi
It seems like in some circumstances it delays coming on right away - may take 20 seconds or so. Looking into it. It would be a software issue not a hardware issue.
james
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Hi James,
I hear that many are skeptical regarding play blue ray or sacd from an external player connected via HDMI to the BDA3. They say HDMI is a poor way to transmit audio, most likely due to higher jitter.
What do you think about it?
Thanks
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Hi James,
I hear that many are skeptical regarding play blue ray or sacd from an external player connected via HDMI to the BDA3. They say HDMI is a poor way to transmit audio, most likely due to higher jitter.
What do you think about it?
Thanks
Hi
They are absolutely correct - HDMI has much higher jitter numbers than SPDIF or AES or USB. The reason is that HDMI was developed as a Video system and audio was added later in between the packets (the audio clock is derived from the video clock). The argument is always how much jitter is perceivable of course and some feel even with the higher jitter numbers with HDMI they are still way below the threshold of human hearing?
In the case of the BDA3 the HDMI we added more as a feature as many source components now have HDMI out only.
Hope this helps.
james
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James,
Many thanks. I think your explantion is very honest and wise. It surely helps.
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I can definitely say my few duplicate DSD-64 downloads played from BDP2 to BDA-3 sound punchier than the equivalent SACD played from my Oppo to the BDA-3. How much of that is the intrinsic sound of the file, vs cabling and jitter, I can't say. The Oppo is connected via 7 meters of (lower to mid-range) Wireworld HDMI Ultraviolet cable, whereas the BDP2 is connected via 1 meter of (upper end) Wireworld Platinum 7 USB.
Still, it's fun to be able to hear those old SACD discs as pure DSD, I view it as simply icing on the BDA-3 cake :D
After ripping my collection with my BOT-1, I may one day get rid of my redbook silver discs, but not my SACDs!
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Hi
It seems like in some circumstances it delays coming on right away - may take 20 seconds or so. Looking into it. It would be a software issue not a hardware issue.
james
Great, thanks James.
Let me know if you find anyhing. As mentioned, it does turn on, just concerned that it could be a flaw that will get worse in time.
Regards
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Hi
It seems like in some circumstances it delays coming on right away - may take 20 seconds or so. Looking into it. It would be a software issue not a hardware issue.
james
Please let us know what you find. I have 2 BDA-3s, and both behave the same way regarding powering on.
Thank you
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HI James,
Please give me your professional thoughts on this:
Currently my HDMI devices (bluray, tvbox, apple tv, google Chromecast ) are connected to my TV, which in it's turn is optically connected to my BDA1. That way i have all sources through the DAC, and no audio/video sync issues at all. No switching needed, just the source on the TV set. Of course i don't have SACD direct out this way, but i'll forget about that for this question.
Can you comment on the difference of the above setup compared to all sources connected to the BDA through HDMI? If i understand it correctly, i would need only one hdmi cable from the BDA3 to the TV? Next to sound quality/jitter, im also interested in the horrors of audio sync, and options on the BDA3 to counter those.
Thanks,
Marius
Hi
They are absolutely correct - HDMI has much higher jitter numbers than SPDIF or AES or USB. The reason is that HDMI was developed as a Video system and audio was added later in between the packets (the audio clock is derived from the video clock). The argument is always how much jitter is perceivable of course and some feel even with the higher jitter numbers with HDMI they are still way below the threshold of human hearing?
In the case of the BDA3 the HDMI we added more as a feature as many source components now have HDMI out only.
Hope this helps.
james
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Loving my BDA-3.
I've had it for about a month. A few times I've noticed that it won't turn it on with the power button. I have to unplug the power cable and then press the power button and it turns on.
Any thoughts or has anyone else experienced this?
Hi
Please email me and I will send you a beta update.
jamestanner@bryston.com
james
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Why don't you just leave it on?
Necause it has a power on/off button.
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The on/off problem has been a constant companion of Bryston's BDA-series converters. I have had problems with my own BDA-2, have read about other people problems with their BDA-1 and now I am reading about problems of the BDA-3 owners. While this is not a critical issue as BDA is generally excellent, both in terms of reliability and stable connection, it is an annoying issue nonetheless.
I have done many, many tests to try to discover when and under what circumstances do these hold-ups occur but came up with no definitive conclusion. What I did discover is that turning the machine off with USB as the selected input is when the machine will sometimes stop responding while it's in standby mode. The AES connection didn't cause any problems.
I am not an expert in this kind of technology but my instinct tells me it must have to do with power supply that power the machine while it is in standby. Many devices like these have dedicated power supplies for these applications to allow for lower power consumption while in standby mode and these are usually powered by pulse-type transformers as used in modern mobile phone chargers. They are, of course, more than adequate for the job since the very instant the machine is turned on, it is powered by it's main power supply which is one of Bryston's many good design features. I have had similar problems with DVD players in the past so this is where I'm coming from.
We will never know for certain most likely.
... and this post is not meant as a criticism of any kind but rather it is my wish to support Bryston's efforts in maintaining their clients as one of their resources.
Cheers!
Antun
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Antun - You have provided excellent input as to when you are encountering the problem which should prove useful to Bryston in their efforts to find a solution. I would respectfully suggest that you also contact James by email as he suggested above, so that you could try their beta software as a potential solution. Your efforts are appreciated by and should benefit current and future BDA-3 owners.
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Thanks for the patch James, I will let you know if I have any issues
Antun
This is very good info. I will keep an eye and see if it behaves any different when I have my Mac connected to it via USB or my CD Transport via Optical Toslink...
Thank you
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Hi guys!
Just to clarify, I do not own a BDA-3. I own a BDA-2.
I tried everything, from changing computers. USB cables and even mains sockets to establish a link between these hold-ups and the circumstances in which they manifest but with no luck.
Cheers!
Antun
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I received my BDA-3 a few days ago and am really enjoying music either from the BDP-2 via USB or DSD from an Oppo-95 via HDMI. However, I'm concerned with the loud and varied "thumps" that occur then the BDA-3 switches to DSD to receive the signal from the Oppo once the Oppo starts the SACD disc. Anyone else experiencing this, and is there a work-around coming? Besides this, the sound is detailed and beautiful.
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I received my BDA-3 a few days ago and am really enjoying music either from the BDP-2 via USB or DSD from an Oppo-95 via HDMI. However, I'm concerned with the loud and varied "thumps" that occur then the BDA-3 switches to DSD to receive the signal from the Oppo once the Oppo starts the SACD disc. Anyone else experiencing this, and is there a work-around coming? Besides this, the sound is detailed and beautiful.
Hi David
Yes the new software prevents the thump. It is cause by the OPPO 103 or 105 loosing signal when starting and stopping. When you hit Stop or Play or Pause on the OPPO it defaults to NO digital signal and that is when you hear the thump. Thats why there is no thump once you are playing and switching to the next song as the digital signal stays active, The other players we have tested do not have this issue - Pioneer, Denon, the older OPPO's etc.
Email me and I will send you the new (OPPO) software.
jamestanner@bryston.com
james
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James, I have been trying to access my unit with my ipad using the address http://bda3-000000 without luck. Is there another method?
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James, I have been trying to access my unit with my ipad using the address http://bda3-000000 without luck. Is there another method?
I assume you used six zeros so as not to list your unit's serial number? In case you missed that part of the manual, the six zeros should be replaced with the serial number. Using the bda3-serial number address didn't work on the first computer I tried, but it did with others on my home network.
Page 11 of the manual gives a method for finding the unit's IP address using the input selector LEDs, but this is somewhat tedius.
I went into my router's setup utility and looked for a newly assigned IP address. All my other network devices have static IP addresses, which I keep on a list, so it was easy to pick out the newcomer, which was the BDA-3.
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James, I have been trying to access my unit with my ipad using the address http://bda3-000000 without luck. Is there another method?
HI
Yes you need 6 digits so if your serial number of your BDA3 is 253 the address would be 000253.
The IP address is the better option though and if you are using Manic Moose on your BDP you can easily see the IP address of the BDA3 assuming you have the BDA3 connected to your router. In the case below you can see my SP3 and my two BDA3's. You just select the appropriate device and download the software.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=140656)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=140657)
james
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I'm using jriver and my pc at this time. I used the 6 digit code without luck i will try find the ip address. I am very impressed with the performance of unit i had high hopes that have been exceeded!!
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I'm using jriver and my pc at this time. I used the 6 digit code without luck i will try find the ip address. I am very impressed with the performance of unit i had high hopes that have been exceeded!!
Have a look at a program that will find IP addresses for you on your network.
james
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Have a look at a program that will find IP addresses for you on your network.
james
I use an app on my iPhone called Net Analyzer to scan my home network and list out all my connected devices and their IP addresses.
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That's a great idea thanks
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HI James,
Please comment on the question below if you would?
Thanks!
Marius
HI James,
Please give me your professional thoughts on this:
Currently my HDMI devices (bluray, tvbox, apple tv, google Chromecast ) are connected to my TV, which in it's turn is optically connected to my BDA1. That way i have all sources through the DAC, and no audio/video sync issues at all. No switching needed, just the source on the TV set. Of course i don't have SACD direct out this way, but i'll forget about that for this question.
Can you comment on the difference of the above setup compared to all sources connected to the BDA through HDMI? If i understand it correctly, i would need only one hdmi cable from the BDA3 to the TV? Next to sound quality/jitter, im also interested in the horrors of audio sync, and options on the BDA3 to counter those.
Thanks,
Marius
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Hi Marius
There are no sync options on the BDA3 but so far I have not had any issues listening to video in stereo through the BDA. I have an SP3 for my movie and TV watching so I do not use my BDA3 much for video other than a few tests I ran.
James
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Thank you James,
What about the sound-difference in setup:
4x HDMI into TV set, Tvset into optical BDA
versus
4x HDMI into BDA, BDA passthrough into HDMI tv
Cheers,
Marius
Hi Marius
There are no sync options on the BDA3 but so far I have not had any issues listening to video in stereo through the BDA. I have an SP3 for my movie and TV watching so I do not use my BDA3 Fuchs for video other than a few tests I ran.
James
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Thank you James,
What about the sound-difference in setup:
4x HDMI into TV set, Tvset into optical BDA
versus
4x HDMI into BDA, BDA passthrough into HDMI tv
Cheers,
Marius
I have not tried that as my SP3 has all the HDMI going through it but the HDMI board in the BDA3 is the same as the one in the SP-3.
james
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Hi Folks,
I have a new version of the BDA-3 software.
Email me if you want to give it a try.
jamestanner@bryston.com
james
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James - What improvements or issues are addressed with this new software version? Is it considered a Beta release for testing or is it a recommended update for all BDA-3 users? Thanks very much!
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James - What improvements or issues are addressed with this new software version? Is it considered a Beta release for testing or is it a recommended update for all BDA-3 users? Thanks very much!
HI
Its an official release - just deals with the OPPO issue and a few minor bug fixes.
james
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April 14, 2015 4:59PM Texas Time
Clock ticking....tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock....Just placed the order for new Black, 17in, BDA-3 DAC to replace old Bel Canto e.One DAC3....tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....
BDP-2 to BDA-3....can't wait!!
"Counting Out Time".....
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Any one else noticed that the green LED lights on the BDA-3 are much brighter than the rest of Bryston gear?
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Any one else noticed that the green LED lights on the BDA-3 are much brighter than the rest of Bryston gear?
Hi
Yes it is a new LED using a light pipe - it is much 'green'er' or 'blue-er' and brighter than the previous LED's. We are using the new ones on all new product.
james
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I'm listening the an SACD DSD rip of Starker's Unaccompanied Bach Cello Suites with the BPD-2 and BDA-3. The sound just floats into the room with a wonderfully generous tone. (Thank you, Tyson). However, there is a pop between each track, just like the (former) sound upon start-up of the Oppo playing SACD via HDMI into the BDA-3. Anyone have this issue and find a way to resolve it? This was DSD DSF from DSD iso.
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I'm listening the an SACD DSD rip of Starker's Unaccompanied Bach Cello Suites with the BPD-2 and BDA-3. The sound just floats into the room with a wonderfully generous tone. (Thank you, Tyson). However, there is a pop between each track, just like the (former) sound upon start-up of the Oppo playing SACD via HDMI into the BDA-3. Anyone have this issue and find a way to resolve it? This was DSD DSF from DSD iso.
HI
I have not experienced it in-between tracks and the new software prevents the pops at pause and stop with DSD on the HDMI inputs with the OPPO. Only thing I can think of is the player is defaulting to PCM in between the tracks?
james
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I'm running USB between the BDP-2 and the BDA-3. The DSD is clearly transferred as "wrapped PCM", appearing on the front panel of the BDA-3 as 352k PCM, not as DSD. Any fix possible? (This "thump" occurs whether the DSD file is playing from an attached HD or the internal BDP-2 drive).
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I'm running USB between the BDP-2 and the BDA-3. The DSD is clearly transferred as "wrapped PCM", appearing on the front panel of the BDA-3 as 352k PCM, not as DSD. Any fix possible? (This "thump" occurs whether the DSD file is playing from an attached HD or the internal BDP-2 drive).
Go into the Audio Devices in the MM Dashbard on the BDP and make sure you check the BDA3 as DSD capable
James
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James, in audio devices on the BDP-2, the BDA-3 (along with two listings of the Juli sound card) are listed in the "READY" list - how do I check for DSD enabled?
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James, in audio devices on the BDP-2, the BDA-3 (along with two listings of the Juli sound card) are listed in the "READY" list - how do I check for DSD enabled?
Correct check them if you DAC is DSD capable which the BDA3 is.
James
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Sorry James - I'm not following. If I check the box, it only disables the entire device.
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Here's how it should look:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=141352)
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Okay - now the DSD file is showing as DSD on the BDP-3 after checking and then hitting "apply" (hitting "apply" was what I was not doing before). Still a pop between tracks, not not quite as pronounced. This pop does NOT occur on some, not all, DSD files I received that were already DSF (that I did not have to extract from a DSD iso file). It does occur with some...
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Okay - now the DSD file is showing as DSD on the BDP-3 after checking and then hitting "apply" (hitting "apply" was what I was not doing before). Still a pop between tracks, not not quite as pronounced. This pop does NOT occur on some, not all, DSD files I received that were already DSF (that I did not have to extract from a DSD iso file). It does occur with some...
OK good - glad you are up and running. I have about 1000 DSD files and so far I have not experienced any pops.
james
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A little searching has revealed that POPS between DSD tracks is a known issue. The JRiver site says the pops occur when extracting SACD iso into DSF, but do not occur when extracting to DIF (with the cost of loosing all metadata). The pop is also reported by Roon users with DSF files. I'm using the Mac version of said_extract with the output mode Sony DSF. Other options include Phillips DSDIFF, DSDIFF Edit Master and Raw ISO.
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=96962.0
https://community.roonlabs.com/t/dsd-playback-gives-loud-click-between-tracks/1620/32
Help anyone?
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Hi James!
We have current review on BDA-3 in German Magazin Einsnull (biggest magazine for Digital Audio. This is the magazine we received an award for the BUC-1 in Munich last year.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=141681)
Attached copy of the review and cover. Here is short quote:
Consequent - Great new review of Bryston DAC BDA-3 in German Magazine "Einsnull"
Quote: "Bryston BDA-3 is absolutely consequent piece of Audio. Excellent finish, technically on the highest level, great equipped and last but not least: Knockout Sound! An ideal Partner for all your gear!"
Philipp Schneckenburger
Best regards
Edvard
AViTech, Dkfm. Edvard Potisk e. U.
Czerningasse 16
1020 Vienna, Austria
Email: edvard.potisk@avitech.at
Web: www.avitech.at
PS
I have the full German PDF review if anyone wants a full copy. - jamestanner@bryston.com
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HI James
Thanks for sending the complete review.
I will definitely translate it for you, but for now let me just say one of the comments from the review:
“There is no better DAC on the market today.”
Congratulations for such a good review and best wishes,
Peter Ullman
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A new five star review of the BDA-3 from Jason Kennedy of The Ear (http://www.the-ear.net/review-hardware/bryston-bda-3-digital-analogue-converter).
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Hi James/Bryston,
I sent you an email earlier this week and another today regarding an issue with the BDA-3 update. I've had the unit for about a week, and recently networked the BDA-3.
When I launched the web interface on my BDP-2 it showed BDA-3 connected, I loaded up the interface and tried the update - now the interface is completely gone (using the BDA3.bin update downloaded from dbox).
404: File not found
Use File Package Upload to program it
I cannot find any documentation on the issue or how to download a working bin. Please help!
Best
Tekky
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Hi James/Bryston,
I sent you an email earlier this week and another today regarding an issue with the BDA-3 update. I've had the unit for about a week, and recently networked the BDA-3.
When I launched the web interface on my BDP-2 it showed BDA-3 connected, I loaded up the interface and tried the update - now the interface is completely gone (using the BDA3.bin update downloaded from dbox).
404: File not found
Use File Package Upload to program it
I cannot find any documentation on the issue or how to download a working bin. Please help!
Best
Tekky
Hi
Email me and I will send you a BIN file and instructions.
jamestanner@bryston.com
james
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Hi Folks,
I have a PDF of a very extensive review of our new BDA3 DAC from Germany - the reviewer uses all the different types of inputs and assess them individually.
My sincere thanks to Peter Ullman for his english translation.
If you want a copy please email me jamestanner@bryston.com
james
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Hi Folks,
I have another 2nd review on the new Bryston BDA3 DAC from HI-FI Magazine in Germany.
Email me if you want the full PDF English translated review. jamesrtanner@bryston.com
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142215)
Favourite Quote:
“Bryston’s BDA-3 is an absolutely significant representative of current audio technology.
It is superbly made, technically of the highest performance, outstandingly feature equipped, and at the same time sound wise stunning."
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Love the BDA-3. Well done Bryston!
I recently finished building a PC for dedicated audio playback via USB. Software is Win10, Project Lasso, Fidelizer, RoonServer and HQPlayer. I love Roon, and don't plan to do without.
Still playing with the various settings, and find small differences.
Has anyone found their "best" settings for HQPlayer with the BDA-3?
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Does anyone know how to get the upsampling to work on the bda3? I know it only works with s/pdif
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Does anyone know how to get the upsampling to work on the bda3? I know it only works with s/pdif
Hi
You just have to hit the Upsample button on the front and it will light up showing it is upsampling the incoming signal..
james
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Does anyone know how to get the upsampling to work on the bda3? I know it only works with s/pdif
What are your inputs? As I understand, upsample will not work on USB or HDMI inputs
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BDA-3 Sample Rate Explanation
• In the BDA-3, the sample rate is increased from the input sample frequency (48K, or 96K upsamples to 192K.
• The 44.1K or 88.2K upsamples to 176.4K).
The 16 bits of depth (the CD standard) is increased to 24 bits.
OPTIONAL UPSAMPLING FEATURE
A very unique feature of the Bryston BDA-3 External DAC is the ability to disengage the upsampling feature. You can compare an upsampled signal with a non-upsampled signal simply by engaging a switch on the front panel. This feature is functional when using sample rates of 44.1K, 88.2K, 48K, and 96K.
The BDA-3 tells you what is ‘COMING IN’ not what is going ‘out’.
The Digital Lock light will turn ‘green’ if the digital signal is locked.
The incoming sample rate will be indicated by that LED going green – so if the incoming digital signal is 96K the 96K LED will light green.
If you push the UPSAMPLE button on the front panel then the incoming digital signal will be ‘SYNCHRONOUSLY UPSAMPLED.
•If the sample rate coming in is 44K or 88.1K the BDA-3 upsamples to 176K
•If the sample rate coming in is 48K, or 96K the BDA-3 upsamples to 192K.
The upsample feature only works on SPDIF inputs (not USB or HDMI).
If the incoming signal is 'native' 176K or 192K then no upsampling occurs.
If you want to maintain NATIVE file playback only leave the Upsample button OFF
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BDA-3 Sample Rate Explanation
• In the BDA-3, the sample rate is increased from the input sample frequency (48K, or 96K upsamples to 192K.
• The 44.1K or 88.2K upsamples to 176.4K).
The 16 bits of depth (the CD standard) is increased to 24 bits.
OPTIONAL UPSAMPLING FEATURE
A very unique feature of the Bryston BDA-3 External DAC is the ability to disengage the upsampling feature. You can compare an upsampled signal with a non-upsampled signal simply by engaging a switch on the front panel. This feature is functional when using sample rates of 44.1K, 88.2K, 48K, and 96K.
The BDA-3 tells you what is ‘COMING IN’ not what is going ‘out’.
The Digital Lock light will turn ‘green’ if the digital signal is locked.
The incoming sample rate will be indicated by that LED going green – so if the incoming digital signal is 96K the 96K LED will light green.
If you push the UPSAMPLE button on the front panel then the incoming digital signal will be ‘SYNCHRONOUSLY UPSAMPLED.
•If the sample rate coming in is 44K or 88.1K the BDA-3 upsamples to 176K
•If the sample rate coming in is 48K, or 96K the BDA-3 upsamples to 192K.
The upsample feature only works on SPDIF inputs (not USB or HDMI).
If the incoming signal is 'native' 176K or 192K then no upsampling occurs.
If you want to maintain NATIVE file playback only leave the Upsample button OFF
Hi James, i have a blue led unit. When i have the input set to spdif (my CD player) the led stays red never turns blue even with signal. If i have the AES input selected the LED turns blue without and input at all.
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You mean just the upsample LED behaves that way?
james
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yes the upsample LED doesn't go blue with the SPDIF selected
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yes the upsample LED doesn't go blue with the SPDIF selected
OK please send me a copy of your description to jamestanner@bryston.com and I will run it past engineering.
james
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Hello,
Do you know if the BDA-3 USB driver is compatible with Windows Server 2012 R2?
Thank you!
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Hello,
Do you know if the BDA-3 USB driver is compatible with Windows Server 2012 R2?
Thank you!
Hi
I believe so as we have not had any reports otherwise but check with Mike please. mpickett@bryston.com
james
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James
Thanks for the attention to the line cord strain relief.
I just got the BDA 3 today. Wow !! It sounds awesome. All I did was hook up my CD player to it. The detail and smoothness is more than I expected. I really did not think I would notice much improvement until I add BDP 2 and BOT 1.
I could stop now and be happy. The BDA 3 is amazing. Money well spent.
You guys have done a super job with it.
Andy Visniewski
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Got my Bda3 a couple og days ago, finaly the Bda1 can be put in the basement stereo :thumb:
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDA-3 DAC – Reviewer Comment
“Hey Bryston folks:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144625)
The BDA-3 is one heck of a DAC! The finesses and dynamics in decoding hi-res files, such as DSD to 5-6MHz and 24/384 ensures that Bryston maintains its super accuracy legacy with this latest D/A.
With my premium AKG K812 HP's and the BHA-1 HP amp — as well as the new Pass Labs HPA-1. I can really listen deep in to the audio detail — especially with jazz and classical. The stereo soundstage is spacious and deep, and that optimization of the AKM DAC chip and your well-implemented analog signal path make for a smooth (but natural sonic character) that is a cut above many of they ESS Sabre DAC-equipped DACs. My own 24/384 stereo guitar samples never sounded better than the BDA-3 through a set of HPs.
The D/A is equally effective via speakers. I have only listened for two days, but already on one system, that includes my Pass Labs x350.8 stereo MOSFET amp (or my Bryston 14SSTII reference bipolar amp), Coda high current preamp, a pair of Martin Logan Montis electrostatics and Macbook Pro player source with Audirvana, the BDA-3 is impressive. A reviewed Heigel DAC is similar in its sound (same chip), which I really like as well, but it is about $1,200 more and offers less features. (No double speed DSD or greater than 192 kHz native playback.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144626)
The BDA-3 is definitely getting our Everything Audio Network Stellar Sound Award, planned for publication next month, and also will go into nomination for the "Best DAC of The Year"
John Gatski,
Publisher,
Everything Audio Magazine.
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James,
what about a 'smaller' version of the BDA-3? maybe just 2 hdmi inputs and some optical and coax inputs...
let's say a total of max. 6 inputs to reduce the costs. this dac should have the same technology like BDA-3, of course.
this dac could have the 1/3 size as well.
al.
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James,
what about a 'smaller' version of the BDA-3? maybe just 2 hdmi inputs and some optical and coax inputs...
let's say a total of max. 6 inputs to reduce the costs. this dac should have the same technology like BDA-3, of course.
this dac could have the 1/3 size as well.
al.
Hi Al
There really is not much of a savings if you leave a few connections off. The Power supply sections and the discrete Class A analog stages are where a lot of the cost is.
james
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Hi Al
There really is not much of a savings if you leave a few connections off. The Power supply sections and the discrete Class A analog stages are where a lot of the cost is.
james
Besides, if you are going to use it as an HDMI switcher, 4 inputs allow DVD, Cable, Streamer, and a music computer to all work on the TV or monitor.
If you are going to trim, just have the one HDMI digital audio input, with no video involved.
The HDMI switching was very influential in my decision process, and I love this DAC.
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...ok, James. but wouldn't you agree that a 1/3 sized dac would just fit since Bryston now offers the 'little ones'?!?
al.
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...ok, James. but wouldn't you agree that a 1/3 sized dac would just fit since Bryston now offers the 'little ones'?!?
al.
Cosmetically yes. - for sure. :thumb:
james
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Are the BDA-3 still on back order / limited availability?
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Are the BDA-3 still on back order / limited availability?
HI
We have caught up so i would say about 10 days from order. Given all the great press coming though we may get backed up again.
james
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James any black BDA-3 in stock ready to ship? Pushing my dealer to get me one.
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James any black BDA-3 in stock ready to ship? Pushing my dealer to get me one.
I can find out - if you order it email me the dealer and I will try and fast-track it for you.
jamestanner@bryston.com
james
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James your the best. Sent you an email.
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I just picked up my BDA-3 from Audio Eden, they were FANTASTIC BTW.I'm having trouble installing the USB driver on my laptop, which I use to control the BDP-2 function, I can download the ZIP file, , I go to the download directory and double click, it starts to extract, but the remainder of the install does NOT occur. I tried my another PC at home, and it loads and installs no problem.Both are running Win 10, any ideas????
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I just picked up my BDA-3 from Audio Eden, they were FANTASTIC BTW.I'm having trouble installing the USB driver on my laptop, which I use to control the BDP-2 function, I can download the ZIP file, , I go to the download directory and double click, it starts to extract, but the remainder of the install does NOT occur. I tried my another PC at home, and it loads and installs no problem.Both are running Win 10, any ideas????
It shouldn't be a zip file. Here's the direct link to the driver from our website. Give it a shot and let me know what happens. http://bryston.com/drivers/BRYSTON_USB_DriverSetup_v3.23.0.exe
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Hoping to have my BDA-3 this week. Thanks James for all your help!!!
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: BDA-3 DAC/BDP-2 Review – Coming Soon
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=145048)
Hi James:
I hope all is well.
Just a preliminary update - I am about half way through my BDP-2/BDA-3 review. I will have a draft for you in about 3 weeks.
I am hard pressed to name a digital front end that can compete.
As a matter of fact, I can't name a better combo at 10 times the price!
Andre Marc
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the driver package downloads,extracts when the .exe is doulble clicked, tries to install, but does not bring up the install screens as described in the manual.
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Looking like maybe next week for the BDA-3 ETA.
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Another review:
http://www.highfidelity.pl/@main-2774&lang=
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Another review:
http://www.highfidelity.pl/@main-2774&lang=
Hi
Looks like an extensive review.
James
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: BDA-3 DAC Review From Poland
Just received this terrific review from High Fidelity Magazine in Poland.
Here is the link to the full review - http://www.highfidelity.pl/@main-2774&lang= You can use a Polish to English translation program to read the complete review.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=145314)
Favourite Quote:
The Canadian DAC offers great sound.
The sound is musical, a bit on the warm side of force, straight and spatial, and it definitely engages the listener. BDA-3 possesses a well-defined and controllable bass, which can go really low. Its top (high-pitched sound) is very vibrant and full of air. It has very long resounds and gives a natural color to acoustic instruments and vocals.
Although this device is not intrusively analytical, it differentiates recordings well and offers a good insight to them. You can't get bored with it. It gives a lot of fun with listening to the music as it provides as much emotions as allowed by the recording. This device is also not brutal with underlining all the weaknesses of a recording – the attention of the listener is focused on the music and emotions, while the technical mistakes of the producers can be felt only somewhere in the background, with no disruption to the reception of good music, which after all is not always perfectly recorded.
I think that BDA-3 is one of the best options on the market when it comes to sound and number of digital inputs. Moreover, it is a must for owners and collectors of concerts on BD records, who will benefit a lot from "filtering" sound by the Canadian DAC through the HDMI cable.
It is a terrific piece of gear!
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I've had my BDP-2/BDA-3 combo for about a week now. I previously owned the BDP-1/BDA-1 stack which I also enjoyed.
This is a great combination! I can't directly compare with the old gear, but I seem to be enjoying the music more.
I spent the last two nights comparing the AES/EBU and USB inputs on various types of music and resolution. I now have both programmed as soft-keys on my remote so that I can choose which is best for a particular track.
I find that the AES/EBU input is superior on 16bit/44.1kHz music. They both have their strengths. The USB is a bit muddier in terms of sounstage and slam, but has an ease of presentation that is useful on less-than-ideal recordings. The AES/EBU is laser-clear, and is more exciting, but I sometimes wish for more ease on average-quality recordings. Either input, when I'm not bouncing between them, allows me to simply enjoy the music, but I lean towards the AES/EBU.
On 24bit/96kHz PCM data, the inputs are very similar, and they both shine! The USB no longer has a muddy aspect, and instead just seems to have ease and coherence to the soundstage. This is a big improvement over 16/44.1 . The AES/EBU has a character very similar to 16/44.1, but just better. The two inputs are difficult to tell apart on high-res data, and I enjoy both of them. On orchestral work, I tended to prefer the USB for what I can only describe as a slightly more coherent picture of the sound. But, on solo voice, I tended to like the slight increase in immediacy that the AES/EBU provides. I am very happy that I have the option to choose based on source material.
I am enjoying all my music more now, which is what it's all about.
Gear: Bryston BDP-2, Wireworld Starlight 7 USB, DH Labs AES/EBU, Bryston BDA-1, Harmonic Tech Magic interconnects, Placette Passive Preamp, Linar Audio 250i amplifier, Revel Ultima Studio speakers.
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Looking like maybe next week for the BDA-3 ETA.
still can't install the drivers for the BDA-3
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still can't install the drivers for the BDA-3
Please email Gary -gdayton@bryston.com
james
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I'm getting a pop at the end of my playlist is this normal?
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Thanks James, Gary used the USB from the laptop to BDA-3 to install the drivers. Thanks for your help.
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hey....same here.....loud pop when playing a dsd album.....at the volume I was at.....holy crap
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hey....same here.....loud pop when playing a dsd album.....at the volume I was at.....holy crap
The pop is with the BDP?
James
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no. not like a damaged/skip in a bad rip sounds like....this was during a fresh dsd playback of Elton john yellow brick road. I just bought it..massive pop after track 1...and again after track 7 or 8.
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Is there such a thing as digital static electricity?
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no. not like a damaged/skip in a bad rip sounds like....this was during a fresh dsd playback of Elton john yellow brick road. I just bought it..massive pop after track 1...and again after track 7 or 8.
Hi
What is the source? The BDP?
james
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It could be the BDP2 it happens a few seconds after the last song. The pop is not just DSD i was playing ripped cd's on the BDP2.
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It could be the BDP2 it happens a few seconds after the last song. The pop is not just DSD i was playing ripped cd's on the BDP2.
That is very strange as I have 3 BDP-2's and I do not get any pops?
james
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That is very strange as I have 3 BDP-2's and I do not get any pops?
james
What kind of drive are you using ?
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I use an internal WD red 1tb, could the issue be the downloaded DSD I bought?
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I use an internal WD red 1tb, could the issue be the downloaded DSD I bought?
I'm experiencing it with ripped cd's using a usb samsung ssd
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I can get a Gustard from China in 3 days but cannot get a BDA-3 from Canada in 2 weeks. Something's wrong with this picture. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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I don't find that to be unusual at all considering that Gustard is more of a mass produced brand while Bryston gear is hand built with each unit being tested, burned in and re-tested. Remember that good things come to those that wait and quality manufacturing takes time. Not really meant as a negative regarding Gustard, in that each type of product has its target market and there seems to be enough demand to justify both approaches.
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I can get a Gustard from China in 3 days but cannot get a BDA-3 from Canada in 2 weeks. Something's wrong with this picture. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Hi NC
Yes sorry for the delay but as Bill mentioned we test each and every product we manufacture and stress test them for 4 full days before we release them to the market. At one point we were 300 units backordered on the BDA3 so please bear with us.
james
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Bill does NOT know the whole story but I know you do James. I guess a BDA-3 is not meant to be in my system.
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Comparing Gustard with Bryston is like comparing men's suits from Moores vs. tailored Savile Row.
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Bill does NOT know the whole story but I know you do James. I guess a BDA-3 is not meant to be in my system.
Ok sorry I am not sure what the circumstances are - can you email me directly please with details.
jamestanner@bryston.com
james
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I may never know.......
Comparing Gustard with Bryston is like comparing men's suits from Moores vs. tailored Savile Row.
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I may never know.......
Hang in there it's worth the wait
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Hi James,
I don't know if this has been covered, (there are already so many pages on this thread), but is there any chance you will offer this DAC with a gain stage (i.e. variable output)? I am sure that there are many of us who have no analogue sources (shame on us!) and a separate preamp not only gives you another box and cords to deal with, but buying all those inputs and outputs when all you need is one seems silly. I realize the growing popularity of the dac/preamp sector opens a can of worms (headphone - yes/no? analogue inputs-yes/no? streaming-yes/no?) but I do think a superb dac that can drive a power amp directly would be a popular product.
Kind regards,
Mark
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Hi James,
I don't know if this has been covered, (there are already so many pages on this thread), but is there any chance you will offer this DAC with a gain stage (i.e. variable output)? I am sure that there are many of us who have no analogue sources (shame on us!) and a separate preamp not only gives you another box and cords to deal with, but buying all those inputs and outputs when all you need is one seems silly. I realize the growing popularity of the dac/preamp sector opens a can of worms (headphone - yes/no? analogue inputs-yes/no? streaming-yes/no?) but I do think a superb dac that can drive a power amp directly would be a popular product.
Kind regards,
Mark
Hi Mark,
Yes we have looked at that option but figured a combination analog/digital preamp would make more sense given the rebound of turntables and LP's as well as a preamps ability to swing much more voltage on its output. Source gear DAC's are generally limited to about 2 volts out in single ended mode and 4 in balanced whereas a preamp like the BP-26 can output up to 30 volts.
I am not saying we would never do it but it would be a specialized product or we would have to add another gain stage.
james
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Another new and very favorable review of the BDA-3 by the HiFiClub in Korea. You can easily get a rough translation from Korean in Google Chrome. http://www.hificlub.co.kr/web10/board/brd_wz_view_n10.asp?pid=10997&lid=100&f_lid=100890&table=brd_10023&ishtml=n (http://www.hificlub.co.kr/web10/board/brd_wz_view_n10.asp?pid=10997&lid=100&f_lid=100890&table=brd_10023&ishtml=n)
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Hi James,
Could you please update us on the current backlog of BDA-3 orders at Peterborough?
My dealer has agreed to lend me his floor model for home audition this weekend, so fingers crossed.... :dance:
Thanks,
Pete
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Hi James,
Could you please update us on the current backlog of BDA-3 orders at Peterborough?
My dealer has agreed to lend me his floor model for home audition this weekend, so fingers crossed.... :dance:
Thanks,
Pete
Hi Pete
It depends on colour and size but about 2 weeks from order.
james
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Hi Pete
It depends on colour and size but about 2 weeks from order.
james
Wow that's fast. (Standard silver 17").
Can the voltage output be increased on request at factory? (so I don't have to crank my BP17's volume up).
Thanks,
Pete
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Wow that's fast. (Standard silver 17").
Can the voltage output be increased on request at factory? (so I don't have to crank my BP17's volume up).
Thanks,
Pete
No sorry the voltage is set at 2.2 volts single ended and 4.4 volts Balanced.
James
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HI Folks,
Coming July 1st - another review on Bryston BDA-3 DAC
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=145747)
james
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BDA-3 In the house!!!!! Time to let it cook........It has made several treks across the US via FedEx so I have a well traveled DAC.
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Glad you were able to acquire a BDA-3 DAC, and I hope you enjoy it for many years in the best of health!
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Thank you Bill. Can anyone from Bryston say if they recommend the BDA-3 be left on continuously or powered off after listening.
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Thank you Bill. Can anyone from Bryston say if they recommend the BDA-3 be left on continuously or powered off after listening.
I let it go to standby myself.
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So far very much worth the wait. I can now understand all the great reviews pouring in. I guess I can hear after all.
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So far very much worth the wait. I can now understand all the great reviews pouring in. I guess I can hear after all.
Hi, Marty.
My online search tells me the BDA-3 DAC sells for something like $3495. Do you feel it delivers so much more SQ that it justifies its price, and where does it rank compared to the other DACs you've recently tried?
Regards,
Michael
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My list of DACs in house is long..... My initial impression is the Bryston is the best of my collection. I really want to hear it compared to my friends Berkeley Reference. Also I want to take it to the next GTG for other members to hear. I think the Gustard is amazing for its price but it was shot down to the bottom by everyone at Rich's GTG. The Bryston pushes all my buttons on image layering, size and placement.
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So Marty how does it compare to your also new T&A DAC8 DSD
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Give me a week so I can compare fairly. I don't want to jump to conclusions.
So Marty how does it compare to your also new T&A DAC8 DSD
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Soundstage Review - Bryston BDA-3 DAC
Please see link below - Soundstage Magazine review of the Bryston BDA-3 DAC.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146078)
http://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/977-bryston-bda-3-digital-to-analog-converter
Favourite Quote:
“The BDA-2, it’s a highly accomplished DAC that can easily hold its own against far more expensive competition. The most full-featured DAC I’ve encountered, it offers myriad connections for just about any digital source you might have. With four HDMI inputs and the ability to play recordings of almost any resolution,
Bryston’s top DAC model distinguishes itself from its competition. And there are converters at multiples of the BDA-3’s price that don’t come close to it in terms of flexibility. But more important than any of that, the BDA-3 sounds transparent and resolving, always remaining faithful to the signal it’s fed.”
Philip Beaudette
Soundstage
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i have loved my BDA-3 for several months now. This past weekend it started powering off after a short period. I can turn it on, activate the USB, play for 15-45 seconds, and it turns back off. I have unplugged it for short periods, with no help.
Even when off it shows up on the network, and shows no errors. Firmware is the April .bin file.
I have tried 2 USB sources now with similar results.
Any suggestions before I seek official help? I really don't want to send it back in.
Edit. It does not "turn off", but rather goes to standby. I unplugged it for a day. It ran fine for about 30 minutes before starting to go to standby after 20-30 seconds. Looking at the unit on the network, the temp reports 29.6, and holds there.
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i have loved my BDA-3 for several months now. This past weekend it started powering off after a short period. I can turn it on, activate the USB, play for 15-45 seconds, and it turns back off. I have unplugged it for short periods, with no help.
Even when off it shows up on the network, and shows no errors. Firmware is the April .bin file.
I have tried 2 USB sources now with similar results.
Any suggestions before I seek official help? I really don't want to send it back in.
Edit. It does not "turn off", but rather goes to standby. I unplugged it for a day. It ran fine for about 30 minutes before starting to go to standby after 20-30 seconds. Looking at the unit on the network, the temp reports 29.6, and holds there.
Hi
Email Mike and see if he can help. mpickett@bryston.com
james
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Hi
Email Mike and see if he can help. mpickett@bryston.com
james
Will do, thanks.
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Hi Folks,
Sneak peak - new review on the Bryston BDP-2 Player and BDA-3 DAC combo coming soon:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146704)
"The Bryston BDP-2 digital file and network player used in tandem with the BDA-3 DAC is the best digital front end I have had in my system.
The versatility, build, ease of setup, and sound quality are unrivalled in my experience at least."
Andre Marc
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http://www.avrev.com/home-theater-media-servers/music-servers/bryston-bdp-2-server-and-bda-3-dac-review.html
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I want to give a shout out to James and Adam. After some initial emailing about my unit I sent it in to Bryston. Adam Tanner (senior technician) called me today, saying that my unit was perfect (always what you want to hear when you mail something in...) He did put me onto the real trouble though, a faulty outbound XLR balanced cable. I have swapped back to my previous DAC, and it was playing well, until the past week or so, when the right channel began playing at about 20% of volume compared to the left, an issue I had seen before in my system. Enough that I retubed my old DAC (with no effect). Today, I swapped to different sets of interconnects, one set RCA, and a second XLR set, fully correcting my faulty right channel issue. Although I cannot prove a fault with my multimeter, I clearly won't be using those cables again. As the terminations are not removable, they are not repairable.
Kudo's to Adam for figuring out that my faulty cable would cause the BDA-3 to go into standby. I of course would have never factored a factory made XLR cable to be the issue. My homebrew stuff - of course, and usually.
I look forward to getting my BDA-3 back and moving on with my audio journey.
Thanks again Adam and James! It will be a great weekend, having debugged a big issue in my system, that was touching many areas.
i have loved my BDA-3 for several months now. This past weekend it started powering off after a short period. I can turn it on, activate the USB, play for 15-45 seconds, and it turns back off. I have unplugged it for short periods, with no help.
Even when off it shows up on the network, and shows no errors. Firmware is the April .bin file.
I have tried 2 USB sources now with similar results.
Any suggestions before I seek official help? I really don't want to send it back in.
Edit. It does not "turn off", but rather goes to standby. I unplugged it for a day. It ran fine for about 30 minutes before starting to go to standby after 20-30 seconds. Looking at the unit on the network, the temp reports 29.6, and holds there.
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Sorry to hear about the issue you experienced but glad that you found the source of the problem. That's quite a testament to the design and build quality of the BDA-3, that it would go into standby mode to protect itself from possible damage due to a faulty interconnect cable!
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Hi there, I just purchased the BDA-3 and its a wonderful DAC! Loving it so much now. But I have an issue currently. When I opened my Jriver, I couldnt find "Bryston BDA-3 (ASIO)". i only have Bryston BDA-3 (WASAPI) & Bryston BDA-3 (Direct Sound).
Anyone knows why?
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When I opened my Jriver, I couldnt find "Bryston BDA-3 (ASIO)". i only have Bryston BDA-3 (WASAPI) & Bryston BDA-3 (Direct Sound). Anyone knows why?
If you had any existing USB Audio / ASIO drivers they may need to first be uninstalled for the Bryston drivers to properly install.
Steve
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If you had any existing USB Audio / ASIO drivers they may need to first be uninstalled for the Bryston drivers to properly install.
Steve
Alright, I'll get back home and try again. Thanks!
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Hi Folks,
Sneak Peak - another BDA-3 DAC magazine review on the way. :thumb:
james
"James,
I hooked up the BDA-3 to a Quad Platinum DMP CD player last night and let it cook for about 3 hours. I've also currently got a SFI Transport-3 and an April Music Eximus CD-5 in house to drive it.
Around 12am, I gave it a listen with the DMP Platinum. My initial impression is that it has superb separation and delineation of instruments. It renders voices (both male and female) with stunning clarity and a jaw-dropping/tactile resolution. It produces immense detail across the entire frequency spectrum. And, thankfully, this detail is presented without the common glass "edge" and ringing high-band fatigue which most solid state (SS) DACs produce.
Instrumental timbres are excellent and the overall fidelity [with PCM-encoded material] competes with most reference caliber DACs I've heard in the $8K to $10K USD MSRP range. Which means, for the price of the BDA-3 DAC, you've got another "giant killer" on your hands. No wonder BDA-3s are back-ordered until the summer of 2017(!).
I'm gonna hook-up a few entry-level DVD players and flagship Hi-Rez DSD digital sources in the next few weeks to hear how the BDA-3 sounds with DSD-encoded material. More listening is required. And I am VERY happy to do more listening. I should probably start squirreling-away coinage into a BDA-3 jar, 'cause I may not be able to return it. ;-)
Cheers... Douglas? :-)
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Are these DACs really back ordered until summer 2017?
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Are these DACs really back ordered until summer 2017?
HI
No thats a bit of an exaggeration - depending on colour and size we are generally about 4-6 weeks out.
james
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Is anyone else receiving a "Forbidden" error when they check for an update of the firmware? This is a new development.
Thanks
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148215)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148216)
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Is anyone else receiving a "Forbidden" error when they check for an update of the firmware? This is a new development.
Thanks
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148215)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148216)
HI
We are experiencing an issue with the software uploads on the BDA-3 ... so on hold for a while.
james
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The BDA-3 is back in the stack and working normally. (of course it never was the problem) I have recently installed a micro rendu in my chain, replacing an Aries Extreme. Really love the sound I am hearing. The BDA-3 has been a great addition to my system, along with a BIT-15. Thanks again to all involved.
I want to give a shout out to James and Adam. After some initial emailing about my unit I sent it in to Bryston. Adam Tanner (senior technician) called me today, saying that my unit was perfect (always what you want to hear when you mail something in...) He did put me onto the real trouble though, a faulty outbound XLR balanced cable. I have swapped back to my previous DAC, and it was playing well, until the past week or so, when the right channel began playing at about 20% of volume compared to the left, an issue I had seen before in my system. Enough that I retubed my old DAC (with no effect). Today, I swapped to different sets of interconnects, one set RCA, and a second XLR set, fully correcting my faulty right channel issue. Although I cannot prove a fault with my multimeter, I clearly won't be using those cables again. As the terminations are not removable, they are not repairable.
Kudo's to Adam for figuring out that my faulty cable would cause the BDA-3 to go into standby. I of course would have never factored a factory made XLR cable to be the issue. My homebrew stuff - of course, and usually.
I look forward to getting my BDA-3 back and moving on with my audio journey.
Thanks again Adam and James! It will be a great weekend, having debugged a big issue in my system, that was touching many areas.
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Hi Folks,
Please see the attached link - a review from Computer Audiophile Magazine on our Bryston BDA-3 DAC.
Chris rarely gives a recommondation to a product (CASH) award but our Bryston BDA-3 DAC has been honoured with one.
I especially like the comment that to better the BDA-3’s performance would requirer $20,000 dollars or more!
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/718-bryston-bda-3-dac-review/
james
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Hi Folks,
Please see the attached link - a review from Computer Audiophile Magazine on our Bryston BDA-3 DAC.
Chris rarely gives a recommondation to a product (CASH) award but our Bryston BDA-3 DAC has been honoured with one.
I especially like the comment that to better the BDA-3’s performance would requirer $20,000 dollars or more!
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/718-bryston-bda-3-dac-review/
james
BDA-3 price increase coming? :cry:
Like BHA-1 (+15% here October).
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BDA-3 price increase coming? :cry:
Like BHA-1 (+15% here October).
Hi
Yes with the reviews so far and those coming (Absolute Sound and Stereophile) we are thinking of raising the price on the DAC to $19,999 - :lol:
james
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Hi
Yes with the reviews so far and those coming (Absolute Sound and Stereophile) we are thinking of raising the price on the DAC to $19,999 - :lol:
james
Come now James, everyone knows the "9" ending digit is just to fool the brain. The smart choice is to price it at $19,995 :green:
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Glad I got mine early :lol:
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Chris was right on the money James. 8)
GREAT DAC, from a a wonderful company.
My BDP-2/BDA-3 combo ceases to amaze me. As do the Mini T's. :icon_lol:
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General question..in Roon Mode, is there a way to toggle between USB and AES/EBU? I seem to have
to reboot and pull either cable out to go from one input to another.
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General question..in Roon Mode, is there a way to toggle between USB and AES/EBU? I seem to have
to reboot and pull either cable out to go from one input to another.
Hi
Thats a Chris question - I will ask.
james
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Congratulations on the CASH award guys. Glad to see you get recognition for this DAC.
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General question..in Roon Mode, is there a way to toggle between USB and AES/EBU? I seem to have
to reboot and pull either cable out to go from one input to another.
You can change it in the advance Roon settings found in either services or within the Roon software
Cheers,
Chris
Embedded Linux Engineer
Web Application Developer
Bryston Ltd.
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James,
the review shows the BDA-3 with a digital output :scratch:
any changes there with this dac??
al.
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You can change it in the advance Roon settings found in either services or within the Roon software
Cheers,
Chris
Embedded Linux Engineer
Web Application Developer
Bryston Ltd.
Simply fantastic. Worked. Me, the dumba$$, was rebooting..lol.
I will repeat, the BDP-2/BDA-3 combo still amazes me, 5 months on.
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Hello,
I am new here and I am looking for some information on the BDA-3.
At present I own a NAD M51 and I think about moving on to the BDA-3.
As here in Germany, in the Bamberg Area, it is not that easy to find a Bryston dealer, so I just wanted to get some first impressions by BDA-3 owners who might have compared it to the NAD M51.
Especially the use of the HDMI input is of interst to me, as I wish to connect an OPPO 103 and a satellite receiver (for TV, european based ASTRA sat) to the DAC.
With the M51 using the HDMI connection here at home was of higher sound quality than the connection of an Esoteric X-05 (used as transport) connected via SPDIF to the M51.... I was astonished, indeed.
Is that to be expected with the BDA-3 aswell?
Would I gain anything in sound quality with moving from the M51 to the BDA-3?
Greetings from Germany,
Alexander :)
P.S.: Many years ago I owned a 3B power amp and was very satisfied (early to mid 1990ies).
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James,
the review shows the BDA-3 with a digital output :scratch:
any changes there with this dac??
al.
Hi Al
That was an early prototype and not used in the current version
james
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Hello,
I am new here and I am looking for some information on the BDA-3.
At present I own a NAD M51 and I think about moving on to the BDA-3.
As here in Germany, in the Bamberg Area, it is not that easy to find a Bryston dealer, so I just wanted to get some first impressions by BDA-3 owners who might have compared it to the NAD M51.
Especially the use of the HDMI input is of interst to me, as I wish to connect an OPPO 103 and a satellite receiver (for TV, european based ASTRA sat) to the DAC.
With the M51 using the HDMI connection here at home was of higher sound quality than the connection of an Esoteric X-05 (used as transport) connected via SPDIF to the M51.... I was astonished, indeed.
Is that to be expected with the BDA-3 aswell?
Would I gain anything in sound quality with moving from the M51 to the BDA-3?
Greetings from Germany,
Alexander :)
P.S.: Many years ago I owned a 3B power amp and was very satisfied (early to mid 1990ies).
Hi Alex
Its funny you mentioned the HDMI input as sounding quite good. I have always been told that HDMI was the worst possible connection based on higher jitter rates and the fact that it was designed as a video connection and adding audio was an afterthought.
I am experimenting at home now with our new Pi Digital player which has an HDMI output into my BDA3 HDMI input and I have to say I am quite taken with how good it sounds.
james
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I see mention of a price increase on the BHA-1, but the question of a possible BDA-3 increase isn't really answered.
Is such an increase in the cards, if so I may be tempted to order now.
A 15% increase (if that's what it is) amounts to over $500, a tough pill to swallow
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I see mention of a price increase on the BHA-1, but the question of a possible BDA-3 increase isn't really answered.
Is such an increase in the cards, if so I may be tempted to order now.
A 15% increase (if that's what it is) amounts to over $500, a tough pill to swallow
Hi
No increase on the BDA-3. The BHA-1 was underpriced based on the parts cost. There are are lot of proprietary parts and the suppliers increased our costs on a fair number of them so we had to make adjustments or stop building the BHA-1.
james
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Thanks James,
That gives me little more time to save, plus I still need to figure out what I'm doing about speakers which ties into it.
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Hello James,
Thanks for your first impression.
I am quite curious what your tests will show.
With the M51 I asked a NAD technical specialist at the Munich High-End show 2015 about thr HDMI connection, and the answer was, that when using the OPPOs 103 "audio-out-HDMI" connection with the M51 input, a I2S connection is established with a minimum of jitter in contrast to the SPDIF or AES dig. connection....
So at least as I did unterstand it (I am no technical expert....).
Greetings from Germany,
Alex
P.s.. the HDMI connection is "nice" for transmitting SACD, BLU-RAY..... if it does sound good.
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what exactly does the upsample feature on the bda-3 do with redbook cd?
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what exactly does the upsample feature on the bda-3 do with redbook cd?
44.1KHz and 88.2KHz are upsampled to 176.4KHz and 48KHz and 96KHz are upsampled to 192KHz. CDs are increased from 16-bit to 24-bit, but the extra 8 bits are just padding placeholders.
Steve
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I hardly hear any diff with upsampling on my BDA-1. Really subtle if anything.
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wow. that is interesting. With both the BDA-1 I had and the BDA-3, the difference was anything but subtle.
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^ no worries, everyone hears differently.
My system is probably maxed out on resolution ceiling. :duh:
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I wish we could get everyone to understand that.
My best friend can't hear a difference in some things I play for him, where i can hear (to me) a world of difference. And, as you pointed out, not everyone's system or room acoustics are the same. Personally, I could never tell if the upsample on my BDA-2 is on during a blind test. While I'm pretty confident in my system/equipment, my room is just the living room and totally untreated for acoustics.
- Garrett
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I wish we could get everyone to understand that.
My best friend can't hear a difference in some things I play for him, where i can hear (to me) a world of difference. And, as you pointed out, not everyone's system or room acoustics are the same. Personally, I could never tell if the upsample on my BDA-2 is on during a blind test. While I'm pretty confident in my system/equipment, my room is just the living room and totally untreated for acoustics.
- Garrett
Same here. My LR is my listening room; imperfect for studio-quality reproduction (if that's the aim :scratch:). Based on Bryston's brochure description for BDA-1 upsampling, the process is a mathematical one that makes it easier for the digital processer to "do its thing", while bumping certain noise up into the inaudible regions of the freq spectrum. To me, that probably explains why I cannot hear a diff -- it's a very subtle thing. Anyways, I don't obsess about this. Too much musik to hear. 8)
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44.1KHz and 88.2KHz are upsampled to 176.4KHz and 48KHz and 96KHz are upsampled to 192KHz. CDs are increased from 16-bit to 24-bit, but the extra 8 bits are just padding placeholders.
Steve
nice...hopefully i can get my greasy fingers on one...sooner rather than later! lol :D
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Hi Folks,
I have been informed today that the Bryston BDA-3 DAC review will be in the December issue of Stereophile.
james
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Do you know which reviewer is doing the honours?
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Do you know which reviewer is doing the honours?
Hi
Yes I have seen the review - John Atkinson and Larry Greenhill
james
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^ Are these two any good?
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^ Are these two any good?
Depends on the review :wink:
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^ Are these two any good?
Yes they are very seasoned and experienced reviewers. John tends to be measurement driven and Larry just listens.
James
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Depends on the review :wink:
:lol: I'm just in a baiting kind of mood -- must be the recent US election debate or something.
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The same guys also reviewed the BDA-1, BDP-1 and BDP-2 so no doubt, they'll make note of these products in the review.
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You better ramp up production, I'm sure sales will jump after what will undoubtedly be a stellar review
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You better ramp up production, I'm sure sales will jump after what will undoubtedly be a stellar review
Yes I am really happy with it and in simple terms the conclusion is like most of Bryston's products ... you can spend more money but you can not get a more accurate product :thumb:
james
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I've come to the conclusion (my opinion only, not declaring this as fact) that "accurate" reproduction isn't necessarily what everyone values. When I got into this hobby, I presumed that was the goal and every upgrade one would make would be toward that goal.
Kind of like buying TV's at a big box store... big box stores crank up the settings (brightness, contrast, color, etc) and use display material that really grabs your attention. "Wow, that's a REALLY vivid yellow on those flowers and vivid green on the grass!" Sure, but is that the color those objects are in real life?
I prefer accuracy in my music (and my displays). If that makes some of my favorite material sound bad, it just changes what I listen to. I believe others (some reviewers included) prefer what they feel is a more pleasurable sound. So I read all my reviews with a grain of proverbial salt. After all, it's just opinions. But when I see a reviewer praising the accuracy of a component, I (usually) find that it matches up with what I like.
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I've come to the conclusion (my opinion only, not declaring this as fact) that "accurate" reproduction isn't necessarily what everyone values. When I got into this hobby, I presumed that was the goal and every upgrade one would make would be toward that goal.
Kind of like buying TV's at a big box store... big box stores crank up the settings (brightness, contrast, color, etc) and use display material that really grabs your attention. "Wow, that's a REALLY vivid yellow on those flowers and vivid green on the grass!" Sure, but is that the color those objects are in real life?
I prefer accuracy in my music (and my displays). If that makes some of my favorite material sound bad, it just changes what I listen to. I believe others (some reviewers included) prefer what they feel is a more pleasurable sound. So I read all my reviews with a grain of proverbial salt. After all, it's just opinions. But when I see a reviewer praising the accuracy of a component, I (usually) find that it matches up with what I like.
Good points. It's a balancing act, I think. I couldn't live without accuracy. At the same time, coloration, at least pleasant ones (i.e. tubes, vinyl warmth, "organic presence"), is appealing to me. I don't want auditory sterility with my music, and I believe that accuracy and coloration (euphony) are not mutually exclusive -- I can have both in measured amounts, depending on the music and mood I am in. That's the beauty of human perception. Like how some like Cubism and others like Impressionism in paintings.
For me, Bryston = a mix of Jan Van Eyck (lots of details and realism in oil ptg) and Monet (idyllic, dream-like).
Off to eat and listen... :thumb:
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James
All is well in the land of 10,000 lakes.
My evolution that got me to this point was first the Oppo 105D connected directly to my SP3 via the balanced outs. I wanted more so I upgraded to the BDA-3. I honestly bought the BDP-2 to simply solve handshake issue I experienced with Oppo and wasn’t expecting there would be a significant differenence in sound. Holy sh*t was I wrong.
The BDP-2/BDA-3 combo is absolutely amazing.
The depth of sound and the clarity is remarkable. When I bought my Kef Reference 5 I thought I heard details I had never heard in my favorite songs but I’ve spent the last 3 hours listening to those songs again and this combo showed me another layer I’d never heard before. I hooked up the BDP-2 via an AudioQuest Coffee USB to the BDA 3, connected my NAS and was off to the races. I thought I’d miss the interface of the Oppo but the Bryston Manic Moose web & i-device connections are seamless and actually better.
Thank you for engaging me in my mad dash. I’m happier than I’ve ever been. Damn you guys know how to make a gear!
Kyle D. Jemtrud
President
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Hi Folks,
It’s an interesting topic – ‘Accuracy or Preference’ – when it comes to audio equipment.
As you know Bryston has always sided on the accuracy aspect of audio gear design or what I like to call ‘linearity to the incoming signal’. There are a number of reasons why I feel this is the best option but one story I will tell you happened many years ago but still holds true today in my opinion.
I was involved in a number of recordings with Jack Renner and Michael Bishop of Telarc Records with Oscar Peterson and one recording session that stands out was a recording done in a Toronto studio called Manta Sound. Lorne Lofsky (a jazz guitarist) showed up for a session and he had his guitar of course but he also had a beat-up TUBE amplifier with built in speaker. He ask us to ‘mic’ the speaker for the recording session rather than the guitar. Of course my next question was ‘why’?
His answer reinforced by belief that linearity was the critical component when designing audio gear. He loved the sound of his guitar playing through this tube amp and wanted as accurate a rendition of that sound as possible. So when you think about it you do not want the recording chain to add any ‘colouration’ or ‘preference’ to what is coming out of his playback system. The same holds true for any instrument though – violin, piano, saxophone etc.
I think the same principle is valid in a home system as well. If you want to hear what the recording artist or audio engineer wanted you to experience the only true rendition is one that maintains as close as possible the linearity of the incoming signal.
james
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The BDA-x definitely exemplifies the accuracy (and to a certain extent, musicality) that your products excell at. No complaints there whatsoever, from me.
There are a lot of recordings of excellent music (mostly classical, maybe some jazz) that were made in the far past (1950s-70s, even earlier) that sound less than ideal, for whatever reasons (poor engineering, technical limitations, etc). And yet, I want to listen to these recordings without having my auditory system shredded. In these cases, I have no problem with a system that is forgiving, without necessarily compromising absolute accuracy or linearity. I see nothing negative with that. We're only human. ("Remastering" isn't always successful, either. Much depends on whether the orig analog master tapes were sourced for the remastering).
Some food for thought -- I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but it's a good read nonetheless.
http://wallofsound.ca/misc/the-slow-audio-movement/
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I fluctuate between wanting the utmost accuracy and correct tonality to having a relaxed, emphasized vocals, thicker bass, and a wetter sound up top. It's good to have both so you don't drive yourself insane.
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The BDA-x definitely exemplifies the accuracy (and to a certain extent, musicality) that your products excell at. No complaints there whatsoever, from me.
There are a lot of recordings of excellent music (mostly classical, maybe some jazz) that were made in the far past (1950s-70s, even earlier) that sound less than ideal, for whatever reasons (poor engineering, technical limitations, etc). And yet, I want to listen to these recordings without having my auditory system shredded. In these cases, I have no problem with a system that is forgiving, without necessarily compromising absolute accuracy or linearity. I see nothing negative with that. We're only human. ("Remastering" isn't always successful, either. Much depends on whether the orig analog master tapes were sourced for the remastering).
Some food for thought -- I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but it's a good read nonetheless.
http://wallofsound.ca/misc/the-slow-audio-movement/
Hi
I agree that some recordings could use some TLC but I do not see that as a goal at a manufacturing level unless you are building a product to do exactly that - alter the signal.
So things like tone controls and equalizers and even room correction have their place but in my opinion not in the signal chain unless on purpose by the customer.
Also I think if you 'voice' a product you end up in this never ending circle of trying to manipulate what gear goes where in the signal chain to achieve the sound you are after.
james
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Hi james,
I'm curious, how much of Bryston's market is consumer vs. pro (studios) these days?
(And yes, I am all for keeping the signal chain as pristine as practically possible).
pete
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Hi james,
I'm curious, how much of Bryston's market is consumer vs. pro (studios) these days?
(And yes, I am all for keeping the signal chain as pristine as practically possible).
pete
We do not do as much Pro as we use to because we no longer sell to the touring concert bands. The want low weight and high power so they gravitate to the Class D designs.
We still do well at the studio level where amplifiers remain stationary.
With the rise of home theater we also sell well into that market which we consider consumer. So in answer to your question about 30% Pro.
james
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Hi All:
Has anyone tried the Sony 5400 ES SACD player with the BDA-3 via hdmi??
Thanks. Rich
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HI Folks,
We have some excellent reviews coming on the Bryston BDA3 DAC - Absolute Sound - Stereophile (December issue) - Canada Hi-Fi and this one from a
French audio magazine called Magazine TED.
I have both a French and English PDF translation available for anyone interested - jamestanner@bryston.com
james
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http://www.bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2016_10_Review_Bryston_BDA_3%20DAC_TEDMag_Eng.pdf
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James,
Reading that review you posted, the writer states that there are 2 75-ohm inputs -- one BNC and one SPDIF (RCA jack).
Is there such a thing as a true 75-ohm RCA input? I don't think so.
thanks
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James,
Reading that review you posted, the writer states that there are 2 75-ohm inputs -- one BNC and one SPDIF (RCA jack).
Is there such a thing as a true 75-ohm RCA input? I don't think so.
thanks
Canare makes what they claim to be 75 ohm RCA connectors specifically for SPDIF digital audio: http://www.canare.com/ProductItemDisplay.aspx?productItemID=40 (http://www.canare.com/ProductItemDisplay.aspx?productItemID=40)
Also just to be technically correct both of those inputs are SPDIF, one RCA and one BNC.
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^ true. Thanks.
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James,
Reading that review you posted, the writer states that there are 2 75-ohm inputs -- one BNC and one SPDIF (RCA jack).
Is there such a thing as a true 75-ohm RCA input? I don't think so.
thanks
Hi
Yes here is our RCA digital cable - the BNC and the RCA are 75 ohms.
http://bryston.com/products/other/digital_BNC_RCA.html
james
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Hi
Yes here is our RCA digital cable - the BNC and the RCA are 75 ohms.
http://bryston.com/products/other/digital_BNC_RCA.html
james
Thanks. I'm very content with my 1m Cardas Parsec RCA-BNC.
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Hello again,
One more review ( sorry, I forgot to send it before ) of BDA-3 DAC!
http://highfidelity.pl/@main-2774&lang=
Best regards
Robert Fijałkowski
MJ AUDIO LAB
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Thank you James, it is possible to have it in english?
Have a nice day
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Thank you James, it is possible to have it in english?
Have a nice day
Google will translate it
"among the countries that first come to mind when we think of audio producers, Canada is unlikely to take first place, but there are several brands You probably most of you know. Among them are high-end, with fantastic-sounding, but cosmically wycenionymi products, vide the creator of my favorite (next Ubiq Audio ) columns, which Hansen Audio ( Prince V2 , to be precise), the Tenor Audio , a manufacturer of electronics sensational.
Bryston , a company with above mentioned has the advantage of more than 35 years of experience, forging them into products priced much wiser, though fantastically made and great sounding. This is how the company trusts its own products and the quality of their performance can be seen even after 20 years (!) Warranty, which provides products and analog 5-year-old to digital. In this regard, at the start we beat many competitors.
Yes, however, it has made it this far, I had the opportunity to test only the columns of this brand, Mini A , which gave me a really fun with the music, despite its small size and relatively reasonable prices. Together with these columns distributor brought me the Bryston amplifier, stipulating that there be no part of that test, or a separate facility, as was already announced the new version, and she was soon hit the test.
The amplifier could not impressed me so huge impression, as these small monitorki, but I think mainly because it's just too much of it required. So it was listening, "by the way", assessed after the column (which during the test also had to play with my standard test kit). Despite this, I was very impressed, so the new version I'm looking forward. Note that Wojtek Pacuła had the opportunity to test the previous (ie. Still available, but introduced to the market earlier) model DAC, labeled BDA-2 , the successor to the first, now nieoferowanego, D / A converter of the company, model BDA-1, and - as you read - he rated it very positively.
Such a test can somehow assumed in advance if you are dealing with a product of over 35 years (!) Experience of operating in both the home audio and studio equipment. This type of company, active in both, in theory, so different from each other, parts of the audio market usually able to all your devices combine the features appreciated by both professionals and private users.
BDA-3
For virtually all devices (or at least the electronics) Bryston provenance study manifests itself already in the external dizajnie - no fishnet elements - simple, nice front, a lot of options, buttons, and "lights", compact shape, a mild - at least in the case of DACs - housing (incidentally BDA-3 can be ordered with an optional rack mount and a larger version of the front panel), and, still no remote control as standard, it can be ordered as a option. And the number of buttons shows, that would be what to support.
Add to this that most, if not all, Bryston products are specialized devices - in this case, buy a digital-to-analog and get a device that precisely that role. You will not find here additive type headphone, or volume control. In a word - you can see that the company has a practical approach, a native of market pro. The device is assigned a function, with its design can be optimized under its angle to be able to meet as well as possible, and the appearance is a matter of secondary - but you can not accuse Brystonom that are ugly. Dizajn can and is quite simple, but pleasing to the eye, and the workmanship is on a good level.
The wealth of digital inputs in the BDA-3 is - I assume - a nod primarily toward audiophiles. We get virtually everything from the DAC may be required. With the option used by the competition there is no truth at the entrance LAN (for music), but this is due to the already mentioned specialization of each device - Bryston offers customers a digital-to-analog and not streamer, so the LAN input is unnecessary.
The only well known to me the product of the Canadian company, the previously mentioned column Mini-A, gave indeed a good insight into the recordings, but they were by no means typical studio monitor minded mainly on high analyticity, which a little before listening session feared. It turned out that it is extremely dynamic and at the same time musically sounding Bestyjki with which to listen to virtually any music was very pleased, even though the small size did not indicate the nature of the sound, and in addition they are not the best speaker in the world. So I was hoping that in the case BDA-3 get something between a highly analytical sound studio, and an exciting, musically what I am looking for in audio component. But first, a few more of the same device.
As I mentioned user gets available up to 10 digital inputs. In addition to "classic" basic set or input coaxial (in two versions: RCA and BNC), a TOSLINK optical and balanced AES / EBU, we have available today already actually the standard, asynchronous USB input, and more specifically two such inputs, and up to four inputs HDMI, which can take the audio signal in both PCM and DSD, but only in the form of dual channel. I admit that such a large amount of the latter remains a mystery to me, but the fact that such input Bryston equipped me personally pleased.
A few years ago, when I tested one of the first Devialetów, I used the HDMI input by sending signals from my Oppo and sound effects were more than good, maybe even better than with other digital inputs. Yeah so it was, that this time such a connection'll try, the more so that more and more people use Blu-ray, and so recreating the SACD, and with them (or at least many of them), you can send a signal in native DSD (only when HDMI) or signal hi-res accompanying music concerts released on Blu-ray Disc (also the only HDMI because in deriving the signal by "koaksjal" or "optics" is the machine downsamplowany to 16 / 44.1). In the latter case, you only need to remember that in the options the player to select the stereo sound in the form of PCM, because the multi-channel input Bryston not support.
As befits a modern, or maybe that follows market trends, DAC BDA-3 supports PCM signal with a resolution of 32 bits and a sampling frequency of 384 kHz, and native DSD64, 128 and even 256, so those who have players Oppo rubbing their hands.
An additional option upsampling is possible to use a signal which goes to the traditional input devices (i.e., not by a USB cable or HDMI). Signals with a frequency of 44.1 kHz and 88.2 are upsamplowane to 176.4 kHz, and 48 kHz and 96 kHz to 192 kHz.
Returning to the equipment BDA-3 - the user gets to the disposal of both balanced and unbalanced analog outputs, and so-called. "HDMI video pass through" word unit can forward without any treatment provided to his image, eg. TV and it even 4K resolution. On the back we find another section of the socket RS232, USB and Ethernet can communicate with devices / control systems. This allows you to connect the device eg. Intelligent home system, or control it through a web browser. This solution, in addition to HDMI inputs distinguished Canadian DAC against competitors all the more, that after all it is not overly expensive device.
From my point of view, "daki" BRYSTON are interesting for another reason - they are based on the bones of AKM, which virtually all subsequent known to me applications prove to be the first great, second to me personally, "are" much more than their counterparts proposed ESS Sabre. To put it briefly - he was going to be a very interesting test.
BRYSTON in "High Fidelity"
Discs used for the test (selection)
The Nordic Sound , 2L 2L-RR1-Sabda, SACD / Blu-ray
Al di Meola, John McLaughlin, Paco de Lucia, Friday night in San Francisco , Philips 800 047-2, CD / FLAC
Alan Silvestri, Predator , Intrada MAF 7118, CD / FLAC
Hugh Masekela, Time , Sony Jazz 508295 2 CD / FLAC
Isao Suzuki, Blow Up , Three Blind Mice B000682FAE, CD / FLAC
Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin , Atlantic / Warner Music Japan WPCR-11611, CD / FLAC
Lee Ritenour, Rhythm sessions , Concord Records CRE 33709-02, CD / FLAC
Louis Armstrong & Duke Ellington, The Complete Session. Deluxe Edition , Roulette Jazz 7243 5 24547 2 2 (and 3), CD
Muddy Waters, Folk Singer , CLASSIC HDAD 2008 DVD-Audio
Peter Gabriel New Blood , EMI Music Poland 10232262, CD / FLAC
Pink Floyd, Wish you were here , EMI / EMI Records Japan TOCP-53808, CD / FLAC
Ron Carter, Jimmy Cobb, George Coleman, Mike Stern, Four generations of Miles , Chesky Records SACD 243, CD / SACD
The Ray Brown Trio, Summer Wind , Concord Jazz CCD-4426, CD / FLAC
U2 360 at the Rose Bowl , Universal 2,735,523, Blu-ray
Japanese versions of the discs available on
The test focused on the USB input, but also tried BNC - which hit signal from the converter USB Bada Alpha - and HDMI - "fed" signal from the player Oppo. Each of these connections gave very good, though slightly different sonic results, showing clearly that the tested converter Bryston does not harmonize the sound from all sources, but well shows the differences that exist between them, despite the fact that everywhere it kind of just ones and zeros.
Input: BNC
From the first minutes of listening, it was clear that the BDA-3 does not offer sound, which I define as "studio". Perhaps some of its features can be found here, but the general character was much more musical, emotionally involving than what it offers most of the known devices from the market I pro (emphasize once more - this is my opinion, and not only right the truth). At the beginning of files played from a dedicated PC is via the Bada Alpha, still one of the best converters USB / SPDIF market. The signal was getting to the BNC input for digital cable company our native AudioMica Laboratory .
Much of this wording was Bady character - playing smooth and consistent, but at the same time precise, very well arranged, retail and open. So also they played probably all drivers based on the bones of AKM, which I was able to hear. I must admit that the sound suits me very well. There's a lot of information given accurately, but not intrusive manner, thus differentiating record stands at a high level, but the man does not focus on these details, but on the music, which co-create. She sounded completely different disc recorded in tribute to the great Miles - Four generations of Miles in 2002 - played from a file 24/96, and otherwise recorded decades ago Kind of Blue master himself, played with the file 16 / 44.1.
This first recording was by far cleaner, more transparent and it is on these features based disputes realism of this realization. In the case of recordings of Miles attention focused on color, emotion, you could feel the charisma master. It was not until maybe the precision, detail may not even be less, but were certainly less expressive, and yet it is the second recording more spoke to my soul, played after the regular file 16 / 44.1, without hesitation would point to them as better. OK, there is an element whose impact can not be the end to determine, but which certainly had some significance - aware that the game Miles, in the second case, it's 'not-Miles' could play a role. Although the class musicians who have recorded an album that you can not refuse - Coleman, Carter, Cobb and Stern finally the great figures of world jazz.
The first of these recordings are recording a live performance above mentioned musicians. Bryston so he had a chance to show that it can very convincingly render a lively acoustics of the hall, to show its size, and the whole adorn disasters reactions of the audience. It is no different thing to have when playing often used by me during testing Jazz at the Pawnshop , which is one of the best execution jazz concert - and this is not only my opinion. BDA-3 showed that not only diversification, but the separation is his forte, which is useful when many instruments pressed on a small stage.
For a device of this price range, do not have any lights on board, Canadian DAC surprisingly convincingly drew a scene with considerable spatial, three-dimensional solids instruments precisely poustawianymi in specific locations in space. Bryston can not charmed much of a degree of tangibility, and so beautiful, natural color as mine (about 3 x more expensive) Lampizator , but was doing and in this regard than expected. Particular attention was drawn (also on many other recordings) very sonorous, but weighted, fast cymbals. They fared very well wind instruments and plucked both through convincing color, large amounts of air around them, as well as full wybrzmieniom. Acoustic music, but also vocal listened to me with great pleasure.
It's relaxing, addictive, but not boring to play. Word of something that somehow the device from a company operating in the market pro did not expect.
For much electricity board Lee Ritenour my attention in the end, hard work here, electric bass, drums and immediately afterwards. Low frequencies are their strengths tested DAC, although they are not presented in a highly conspicuously attention. That is why only the more energetic, electric playing, where in addition the bass is a very important part of music, "hear" what they mean. Bas is dociążony goes down low and is well differentiated. There is a lot of energy in every pull the strings of a bass guitar or drum sticks hit. You can hear good control and definition, good speed and mass.
Muddy Waters concert showed that the pace and rhythm are not Canadian Foreign transmitter. On both of these discs on which electric guitars play a significant role, they fared slightly softer than I'm used to this. This was confirmed and traditionally odsłuchanym concert of AC / DC. There were a lot of energy, power, rhythm was well run, very well, clearly fall out vocals, guitar Angus Young, but some would "przybrudził" and "sharpened" to make it sound more like a concert. With BRYSTON I received its smoothed version. Yes, pleasant to the ear and not giving cause for complaint, but did not completely true.
Remembering how played a column Bryston amplifier with them, I think, even if it is only a theoretical assumption that the BDA-3 could do them perfectly fit that together would create more value than is apparent from the simple sum of what they have to offer. The spontaneity, the huge energy columns, purity, transparency and sensational musical amplifier and control DAC should give a total of delicious effect.
USB port
I spent a lot of time with my dedicated computer as a source feeding the signal from the USB card company JPLAY to the USB BDA-3. It abolished the limit on the maximum resolution of PCM files (by Bada Alpha and BNC input could not play files with a maximum resolution 24/192) and allowed to play the native DSD files. Interestingly "normal" files, which are those in resolution CD (16 / 44.1), however, sounded better through Bady Alpha, or the BNC input BRYSTON. The sound was fuller, smoother, more palpable. But when it came to playing 24-bit (sampling frequency was not so important) files to PCM it was difficult to clearly point favorite. The sound was very close - by BNC bit smoother, and USB little more energy. The differences are really small and probably difficult to detect without a direct comparison.
If the files DSD (64 and 128; DSD256 not have) Bryston was doing a very "analog" - smoothly, consistently, charmed color, peace, saturation. Each DAC plays native DSD comparing course to master in this field, namely Lampizator, and if everyone, without exception, was killed in the clash. BDA-3 was no exception - the incredible natural, spaciousness, freedom and tangibility Big7 a little lacking. But this is not any gap, so considering the difference in price can be "Canadian" be considered as a unique device that DSD format and doing very well.
What is important, and does not rule is when playing back files via the USB I set a long playlist, not caring that quite what kind of files will go there, Bryston also my choice completely not care. They were so-y PCM 16 / 44.1 and "denser" they were also downloaded DSD and not once during the transition between files of different resolution or even file formats not recorded any cracks, breaks or other unwanted activities. BDA-3 without hesitation perform any "order".
This is not a transducer that unifies everything gets to play. None of these things. Recording high-quality sound perfectly even in the form of 16 / 44.1, and the weaker does not help even the density of 24/192. Weak DSD files do not have, so I can not say how this device copes with their differentiation, but probably not worse, because otherwise sound files executed today by the label 2L, and otherwise rips SACD, even with recordings of Miles Davis. They both fared very well, but but otherwise showing clearly different approach to the implementation of the recordings.
Bryston it not, however, in the habit of massacring recordings is not an absolute tool that extracts studio on top of each weakness of the recording. Their weaknesses can be heard, but rather in the background, they are not the most important element of communication. As a result, you could even listen to U2 plate, or one of the old recordings of the Republic, and the listening evoked positive memories from the past instead of waking me malcontent complaining about the wrong done by someone in the studio work. It is a sign that the BDA-3 is a DAC with a human face.
Input: HDMI
At the end I had to try the HDMI input. So I connected to the DAC player Oppo, television to its output, and a drawer landed U2 360 at the Rose Bowl on Blu-ray disc, which contains the path stereo format 24/48. Grommet video works seamlessly, DAC had no problem with playing sound, lights up the corresponding LED showing that the device gets a signal sampling rate of 48 kHz. Once again, I could not catch so Bryston on any slip-up.
And the sound? Already once I wrote that pulled a soundtrack from a DVD and that is probably the best-sounding U2 that I have. Now I can say it is the best show on BD, provided you have such a DAC as Bryston, offering HDMI input. It is still not recording outstanding quality, but I listened to it with pleasure, feeling the atmosphere of the concert, twirling every move volume to further feel like participants and less like a spectator in front of the TV. In a word - if you have a lot of concerts on BD and DVD and want to hear the real sound to recommend to the BDA-3, as HDMI is doing very, very well.
It was no different from the already very audiophile sampler The Nordic Sound label 2L, so that BD could listen to two-channel PCM-in resolution 24/192. The recording of the choir of fantastically captured acoustics of the medieval church literally struck me to my knees. There's no denying that the volume knob was set above the normal level at which listening outside the window began to dusk, and I have not turned on the lights, so the climate was suitable to Gregorian chants. The climate created even more amazing that the eyes had a huge space, and the voices were extremely clean, strong and simply spoke directly to my soul ... :)
Unfortunately my Oppo does not send even when the HDMI stereo native DSD, so the discs in this format received signal downsamplowany to 16 / 44.1, which by the way sounded pretty good, but not what I meant. In contrast, only possessed my disc in DVD-Audio, fantastic folksinger Muddy Waters, "volunteered" in the DAC in the form (24 bits implicitly) 192 kHz. I sounded almost like vinyl, giving the latter only in the field of organic character in respect of which the board released on LP by Mobile Fidelity has no equal.
Summary
The money BDA-3 has to offer a lot. No, there are no bells and whistles, this is not a device overwhelming appearance, or combining several functions. It is very solidly designed and DAC generously equipped with digital inputs. Only so much and so many. These inputs are still as many as 10, including 4 HDMI accept stereo sound with the BD players, after which this connector can send a signal DSD. And that is also available for HDMI pass-through for the image, even in 4K resolution, so the Bryston should connect a DVD player or BD, in this simple way to build a simple but really good-sounding stereo cinema.
Because the sound of Canadian DAC offers delicious. I know that 15 000 zł a lot of money, but relatively, compared to what is available in the market, it's just a great deal. The sound is musical, and a bit warmer side of the force, tidy, spacious, definitely engaging the listener. BDA-3 is very well defined and controlled bass that can go down really low. It voiced, full of mountain air, the long decay, a natural color acoustic instruments and vocals. Could what the truth a little bit of focus, even electric guitars, but against a huge set of advantages it can simply be ignored.
It is not overtly analytical device, but it can give a good insight into the recording, and very well recorded differentiates. You can not get bored with it, it gives a lot of fun with music thanks to a large portion of emotions, which serves only if the recording allows it. There is also a brutal tool to extract all the weaknesses of the recordings - the listener attention is focused on the elements of music, emotion and stumbling technical implementers are shown somewhere in the background without disturbing the perception of value, and yet not always perfectly recorded music. In my opinion BDA-3 is the first one of the best proposals in terms of sound and richness of the digital interface on the market, and second position nearly mandatory for holders of a collection of concerts on the BD, who will benefit enormously at the "passing" of the sound after the HDMI cable by Canadian DAC -and. A great piece of equipment!
DAC BDA-3 is equipped with a typical Bryston housing with a thick aluminum front is available in two colors (silver and black) and two widths (17 "or 19"). The rest of the casing is made of sheet steel in black, and the whole opted for unsophisticated but pretty well LISTED the rubber feet. On the front you can see milled logo and model name. Next to it is the eye of the receiver remote control (the remote control is not included - it is only an additional fee option).
Next, there are three successive columns of small LEDs to indicate the sample rate PCM or DSD delivered to selected at the time of entry, and the last confirmed sync with the selected source (lock). Next in the row placed a total of 12 small buttons with associated controls. The first left turn on / off the upsampling, the first right turn on / off the device. Among them is 10 buttons, each of which allows you to select one of the 10 digital inputs. Placed at the back output analog RCA and XLR, these 10 digital inputs - Coaxial, BNC, AES-EBU, Toslink optical, 2 x USB and 4 HDMI. The latter accept two-channel sound, both PCM and DSD and of course the video signal, which without any treatment send to also present on the rear panel HDMI output, where the signal can hit eg. For TV resolutions up 4K (resolution obviously depends on the source ).
USB inputs accept PCM signal at resolutions up to 32 bits and 384 kHz, as well as DSD 64, 128 and 256 in the native form and DoP. The device is also equipped with network module with three sockets: RS232, USB and Ethernet enable control transmitter whether through a web browser or smart home system. Next to it is even trigger socket and IEC power.
Inside there are three plates - one placed on the analogue part, the second supports the HDMI input on the third are the other systems. For converting digital signals to analog converters correspond to two brand AKM AK4490EQ. The device is equipped with a linear power supply based on a toroidal transformer, which is not shielded, but placed far away from the sensitive electronics.
Technical data (according to manufacturer)
A discrete analog output stage in class A
independent signal path analog and digital
file playback PCM and DSD at different resolutions
Sampling 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 176.4, 192, 352.8, 384 kHz
HDMI Video pass-through of audio output (4K video pass-through)
Dimensions (W x D x W): 92.2 x 282.45 x 431.8 mm (482.6 mm with a 17 "front panel)
Weight: 6.8 kg
Options:
Available with front panel in silver or black
The front panel 17 "or 19"
Option mounted in a cabinet rack (2U)
Optional remote control BR2
Distribution in Poland: MJ AUDIO LAB office@mjaudiolab.pl www.mjaudiolab.pl"
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Thank you Phil
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Hi James
Just received the BDA-3 with the new bead blasted faceplate to match the Cubed amps. Very nice and sounds even better! Still waiting for the matching BDP-2 which I understand is delayed.
Also just received the 7B3's. Still running in but already sounding great! A lot of improvement on my old 7BSST2's. The highs are a lot sweeter which enables me to play the music louder than before. The air around the instruments during playback is tremendous and the soundstage is huge. Bass is well controlled and tuneful especially with the Townshend podiums on my PMC fact12's. The podiums are the best accessory I have used so far. My CAT SL-1 Renaissance tube pre-amp certainly helps with sound staging and air I think.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152866)
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Great ! - thanks for the feedback :thumb:
james
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I did not know that the new bead blasted finish is available for the digital products....damn, I wish I knew that as I ordered my BDA-3 in late August and just received my new BDP-2 last week!!! During this time I decided to also change my power amp so I ordered the new cubed series and just picked up my 4B3 a couple of weeks ago from my dealer so obviously I wish the faceplates all matched..it would have been nice to have known that this option was available at the time of ordering :x
Any way of getting the faceplate retrofitted to match my BDA-3 and BDP-2 ?1?
Aaron
Hi James
Just received the BDA-3 with the new bead blasted faceplate to match the Cubed amps. Very nice and sounds even better! Still waiting for the matching BDP-2 which I understand is delayed.
Also just received the 7B3's. Still running in but already sounding great! A lot of improvement on my old 7BSST2's. The highs are a lot sweeter which enables me to play the music louder than before. The air around the instruments during playback is tremendous and the soundstage is huge. Bass is well controlled and tuneful especially with the Townshend podiums on my PMC fact12's. The podiums are the best accessory I have used so far. My CAT SL-1 Renaissance tube pre-amp certainly helps with sound staging and air I think.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152866)
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Hi Folks,
Sneak Peak
The very extensive review on the BDA-3 DAC will be out shortly – Stereophile December issue.
There are 4 pages of measurements from John Atkinson and his conclusion was:
“With its extremely low levels of noise, harmonic and intermodulation distortion, and its superb resolution, the Bryston BDA-3 offers measured performance that is as good as digital can get.”—John Atkinson
(In other words you can spend much more money but you can not buy better performance than the BDA-3)
And from Larry Greenhill the BDA-3 reviewer:
“I recommend that the BDA-3 be listed in Class A+ of Stereophile’s ‘Recommended Components’.”
I will have a PDF of the full review in a few days.
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Seems like the reviewers keep approving of my choice of DAC!
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Not surprised about the great review coming for the BDA-3.
Dying to buy one right NOW but going for speakers first, the DAC will have to wait until next year
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Hi Folks,
I have the full PDF Stereophile Review now - it is 7 Pages and 1Meg.
Email me if you want a copy.
jamestanner@bryston.com
james
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Message sent
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Hi Folks,
I have the full PDF Stereophile Review now - it is 7 Pages and 1Meg.
Email me if you want a copy.
jamestanner@bryston.com
james
Congrats Bryston! Very nice review, very flattering.. I've had my bda3 for six months and have been enjoying it immensely. Just recently I was able to setup both aes/ebu and usb connections between my bda3 and bdp2. A big thanks to Chris at Bryston who was very helpful. I can listen to pcm files and compare the sound quality by switching channels on bda3 with the remote while playing music. I still prefer aes/ebu over usb however I am surprised how good usb sounds! I also like that I can listen to pcm or dsd files at the same time using usb.
Bda3 is a great DAC.
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Congrats Bryston! Very nice review, very flattering.. I've had my bda3 for six months and have been enjoying it immensely. Just recently I was able to setup both aes/ebu and usb connections between my bda3 and bdp2. A big thanks to Chris at Bryston who was very helpful. I can listen to pcm files and compare the sound quality by switching channels on bda3 with the remote while playing music. I still prefer aes/ebu over usb however I am surprised how good usb sounds! I also like that I can listen to pcm or dsd files at the same time using usb.
Bda3 is a great DAC.
HI
Thanks for your kind words - I was surprised as well at how good the new USB circuit sounds. :thumb:
james
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Have you compared USB to Coax coming from a Bryston digital player? Which one did you prefer and why, curious as I may be moving into the BDA-3. I could be wrong but I thought I read that the USB is better on the 3 than the BDA-2?
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Have you compared USB to Coax coming from a Bryston digital player? Which one did you prefer and why, curious as I may be moving into the BDA-3. I could be wrong but I thought I read that the USB is better on the 3 than the BDA-2?
Hi
Yes I started using the USB at audio shows because it was easier to demo both DSD and PCM through the same connection and I was surprised a bit at how good the USB sounded. Whereas on the BDA2 I always preferred the AES.
james
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Hi James!
Can you give us the exaxt model number of the XMOS chop used in the BDA-3 and BDA-2?
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi James!
Can you give us the exaxt model number of the XMOS chop used in the BDA-3 and BDA-2?
Cheers!
Antun
I will have to ask the engineer - I just listen to the gear :thumb:
james
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I will have to ask the engineer - I just listen to the gear :thumb:
james
Cool! Thanks James!
I can't say I feel sorry for you there :green:
That sounds like an interesting job!!
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi newbie on here.
Currently in possession of a BDA-3 on dem and absolutely loving the performance/sound only a few days into trying it.
I am using an Oppo 105 and getting the pops as often discussed earlier in this thread until the first firmware updates solved it.
However I am struggling to update the firmware not only does there not seem to be anything on the website I need an idiots guide how to get configured to it. James T has passed my email on but because of my set up-my router is far away from my hi-fi therefore I needed to move the DAC to it to get an ethernet connection.
I tried the http//serial number way but that isn't working on either Google or Safari on my Mac
I have been able to determine my IP address via the BDA-3 but have no idea what to do with it....
Any help greatly appreciated.
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I tried the http//serial number way but that isn't working on either Google or Safari on my Mac
Any help greatly appreciated.
Once your BDA-3 is connected to your network via ethernet, you should be able to access it with a web browser at: http://bda3-XXXXXX with your S/N as the last six digits.
Hope this helps!
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Thanks but I have just explained that the serial number web browser approach doesn't work on either Safari or Chrome. I have even tried Firefox. I suspect although my DAC is connected by ethernet it has not been activated on my network but despite web searching I can't find how to do that on an iMac-if indeed that is the problem.
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Thanks but I have just explained that the serial number web browser approach doesn't work on either Safari or Chrome. I have even tried Firefox. I suspect although my DAC is connected by ethernet it has not been activated on my network but despite web searching I can't find how to do that on an iMac-if indeed that is the problem.
Sorry - when I read your statement "I tried the http//serial number way but that isn't working" I thought you might have neglected to include the 'bda3' in the URL entered.
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Hi BSC
It sounds like the BDA3 is not being assigned an IP address from your router. Gary will contact you tomorrow but in the meantime down load one of the IP address finders (FING) on your computer and see if the BDA3 IP address shows up.
james
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James I will wait for the email. I have been able to detect an IP address via the Bda-3 itself but not sure how that fits into things the manual could do with being clearer-sure it explains how to detect the IP address but it doesn't tell you how to utilise it.
Fing is windows based I'm on Mac and most alternatives want to add to your web browser etc etc so I'm not going down that route I am not finding a single app that doesn't look a bit dodgy.
It's a shame for Bryston because the problem with the pops originates from the Oppo 105 itself . Thanks again for your excellent support.
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If you have the IP address you should be able to enter it directly into your browser's address bar. Sorry I'm not a Mac user so am unfamiliar with anything specific to it. Good luck and enjoy the tunes with your BDA-3!
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Hi James or Chris, i thought i would check for a firmware update for my BDA3 and got this screen. Is the server down or is there a problem on my end?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=153793)
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Hi James or Chris, i thought i would check for a firmware update for my BDA3 and got this screen. Is the server down or is there a problem on my end?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=153793)
Hi
There is no firmware update for the BDA3.
james
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Cheers X
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Hi
There is no firmware update for the BDA3.
james
James how did you deal with the pop issue on the Oppo then? Has that upgrade been taken down. I mentioned earlier I could see no upgrades on the site-so I'm a bit confused as what the solution is to the Oppo 105 HDMI issue-not sure what the point is either of me getting this Bda-3 I have ready for an update.
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James how did you deal with the pop issue on the Oppo then? Has that upgrade been taken down. I mentioned earlier I could see no upgrades on the site-so I'm a bit confused as what the solution is to the Oppo 105 HDMI issue-not sure what the point is either of me getting this Bda-3 I have ready for an update.
Hi
The first version of the software had an issue with the OPPO but not the older OPPO or the Pioneer or Denon or Sony units when playing DSD through the HDMI but the newer software solved that problem. It would pop when you closed a DSD play list. I believe it was only the first 50 units or so that had the older software.
We are working on software to allow those first units to be updated but so far is still in development.
James
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Hi
The first version of the software had an issue with the OPPO but not the older OPPO or the Pioneer or Denon units when playing DSD through the HDMI but the newer software solved that problem. It would pop when you closed a play list. I believe it was only the first 50 units or so that had the older software.
We are working on software to allow those first units to be updated but so far is still in development.
James
James the BDA-3 I have is S/N 000140 and unless you did something funny with the serial numbers then I am getting HDMI issues playing discs via an Oppo 105-it may on occasion give a slight click at the start of a trick or not synch quick enough and miss the start of a track but it gives a loud pop if you stop a track or at the end of playing a disc.
This is I believe due to the Oppo losing the signal to the HDMI momentarily. Not the Bryston's fault but a problem all the same.
Indeed the 105 can be prone to drop outs as a standalone machine if you use it hooked to a TV-the way round that is to use the pure audio option which cuts the HDMI signal obviously if you are using it with a DAC then you are locked into the HDMI option if you are playing SACD's which I have a decent collection of.
I am guessing you might not be totally aware of this problem with a 105 and discs or am I wrong? The other option is that despite the serial number it is an early model.
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James the BDA-3 I have is S/N 000140 and unless you did something funny with the serial numbers then I am getting HDMI issues playing discs via an Oppo 105-it may on occasion give a slight click at the start of a trick or not synch quick enough and miss the start of a track but it gives a loud pop if you stop a track or at the end of playing a disc.
This is I believe due to the Oppo losing the signal to the HDMI momentarily. Not the Bryston's fault but a problem all the same.
Indeed the 105 can be prone to drop outs as a standalone machine if you use it hooked to a TV-the way round that is to use the pure audio option which cuts the HDMI signal obviously if you are using it with a DAC then you are locked into the HDMI option if you are playing SACD's which I have a decent collection of.
I am guessing you might not be totally aware of this problem with a 105 and discs or am I wrong? The other option is that despite the serial number it is an early model.
Hi
OK you do have the latest software so I can only assume as you say that the 105 is loosing the handshake.
I have the OPPO 103D an no issues with it. I believe the 105 has 2 HDMI outputs (one for audio only) are you using it into the BDA3?
james
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Hi
OK you do have the latest software so I can only assume as you say that the 105 is loosing the handshake.
I have the OPPO 103D an no issues with it. I believe the 105 has 2 HDMI outputs (one for audio only) are you using it into the BDA3?
james
James the only way to get SACD/DSD to the Bryston is by using the HDMI 2 output on the Oppo which I'm obviously using......when you get any audible pop/crack then you can see the synch flicker-it will sometimes go red and click back green at the start of play....I am certain it is the Oppo's fault for the reason's stated.
Via coax from the Oppo into the Bryston is perfect-no issues.
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James the only way to get SACD/DSD to the Bryston is by using the HDMI 2 output on the Oppo which I'm obviously using......when you get any audible pop/crack then you can see the synch flicker-it will sometimes go red and click back green at the start of play....I am certain it is the Oppo's fault for the reason's stated.
Via coax from the Oppo into the Bryston is perfect-no issues.
Ok I will see if I can get a 105 and test it.
James
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Ok I will see if I can get a 105 and test it.
James
James I've asked the question on AVS Forum if Oppo have any plans to look at this-and I will email them direct as really it is their issue. I can see you are very vigilant at keeping your customers happy so I will be emailing them to see if they can do the same. I rather suspect though considering the age of the Oppo and the fact the HDMI handshake (even on video) can be an issue it must have came to their attention and I would have thought a firmware solution would have arrived by now.
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Hats off to the Bryston Team.
Gary and James really came through today with unparalleled customer support. A phone call from Canada to the UK and remote access to my Mac allowed me to get the latest firmware meaning the largest part of the loud pop issue with the 105 is gone. I had the slightly older firmware.
The DAC in audio terms is tremendous and dealing with these guys you can see why-dedication and focus. Thanks again.
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Great review on Stereophile!
The reviewer loved it so much, he bought it..recommended for Class A+! (no surprise!)
http://www.stereophile.com/content/bryston-bda-3-da-processor#LJVkYZwPKlC7fyke.97
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^ That review: Why was there a 9-sec delay when switching between USB inputs on the BDA-3?? :scratch: Ouch. That's an eternity in the digital universe.
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In the real world,, would one be switching usb inputs very often??
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I'm guessing it's gotta do the handshake protocol each time you switch to usb?
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I'm guessing it's gotta do the handshake protocol each time you switch to usb?
Yes USB and HDMI need to handshake and that has improved a lot with the newer software.
What got my attention though was the other DAC reviewed in the same issue was $36,000 !
james
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In the real world,, would one be switching usb inputs very often??
In my world, I avoid USB altogether for playing digital music.
AES and BNC.
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Yes USB and HDMI need to handshake and that has improved a lot with the newer software.
What got my attention though was the other DAC reviewed in the same issue was $36,000 !
james
Did the $36,000 DAC have a resolution of approx 20 bits and the BDA3 a resolution of approx 21 bits? :roll:
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Did the $36,000 DAC have a resolution of approx 20 bits and the BDA3 a resolution of approx 21 bits? :roll:
Hi
Yes the BDA-3 actually measured better in a number of areas. :thumb:
Which brings me to what I have been saying for years - "you can spend more money but you will not get better performance than Bryston"
james
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Hi James,
I just got my new BDA-3 all hooked up.
I finally sat down and started to play different sources and WOW!…What a difference from what I had before! I have played some SACDs, DVD-audio, DSD and my ripped CDs and in some, hear things I hadn’t heard before.
BTW, I found out that you can actually control the BDA-3 with a Harmony remote, you just have to set it up, I can actually switch inputs! (I had read some posts complaining it couldn’t be done?)
Anyhow, thanks for all your support and putting up with all my questions.
Denis
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Hi Folks,
Here is the GUI for your IPAD if you want to remote control your BDA3 DAC.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154349)
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James how does that iPad GUI work?
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James how does that iPad GUI work?
You just type in the IP address of the BDA3 into your browser and the GUI will load. Has to be connected to your network router.
james
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One question.
Does the BDA-3 offer enough gain to give a proper signal to another component connected with 50' Mogami Gold Studio XLR's? I have a Luxman590 integrated between the speakers, but the dac needs to be located 50' away.
Will there be significant degradation of sound?
Regards,
Brett
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One question.
Does the BDA-3 offer enough gain to give a proper signal to another component connected with 50' Mogami Gold Studio XLR's? I have a Luxman590 integrated between the speakers, but the dac needs to be located 50' away.
Will there be significant degradation of sound?
Regards,
Brett
Hi Brett
You have 4 volts out on the Balanced XLR outs from the BDA3 so you should be fine.
james
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Cool, Thanks James.
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My brother has had the BDA-3 for several months now. He says it blows away his Meridian 508 and that's good enough for me as it is still the best CD player I've heard in my system. I would drive it with an Oppo BDP-95 via HDMI (to accommodate SACD) which I assume is non-problematic. While I would love to use the balanced outputs into my Anthem AVM20 my experience with the Oppo and the Esoteric DV-50 before it is that the 5.1 single-ended input into the AVM20 and a separate copy of the signal into my Outlaw Audio ICBM-1 (connected between the player and AVM20) just sounds better with jazz. In terms of speakers the difference is using the front L.R Paradigm 100 v3s alone versus adding the Servo 15 sub.
So my scheme is to use the xlr outputs with short xlr to rca cables and 6 dB rca attenuators into an unused channel in the ICBM while using the rca outputs to drive the front L.R. Is there any problem with this?
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I would call this a upgrade from the BDA-2 not a lateral move. The BDA-2 is very good and but the 3 I found with a larger sound stage and more refined than the 2. This is not a knock on the 2 as it was the best dac I ever heard...until I heard the 3.
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My brother has had the BDA-3 for several months now. He says it blows away his Meridian 508 and that's good enough for me as it is still the best CD player I've heard in my system. I would drive it with an Oppo BDP-95 via HDMI (to accommodate SACD) which I assume is non-problematic. While I would love to use the balanced outputs into my Anthem AVM20 my experience with the Oppo and the Esoteric DV-50 before it is that the 5.1 single-ended input into the AVM20 and a separate copy of the signal into my Outlaw Audio ICBM-1 (connected between the player and AVM20) just sounds better with jazz. In terms of speakers the difference is using the front L.R Paradigm 100 v3s alone versus adding the Servo 15 sub.
So my scheme is to use the xlr outputs with short xlr to rca cables and 6 dB rca attenuators into an unused channel in the ICBM while using the rca outputs to drive the front L.R. Is there any problem with this?
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Connections have Consequences :nono:
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Connections have Consequences :nono:
Yeah, it isn't going to work. I'm stuck with either the xlr output into my Paradigm 100s (no sub) or I'll need to buy a preamp that has 1. HT bypass 2. xlr inputs 3. analog bass management. Unfortunately the only preamp I'd want that fits the bill is the Parasound P5 - and Parasound does everything possible to keep their products out of Canada.
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Also in the same issue of Stereophile, a well-known brand of integrated amplifier with an integrated DAC had some unusual measurements. I don't intend to knock on the other product, so I won't mention the brand, and also feel that if there are issues with it, the company will figure them out. But I was amused with John Atkinson's remark in the test phase of the review:
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However, with S/PDIF and AES/EBU data and upsampling, which KM didn't audition, some of the measurements were perverse—see the Bryston review elsewhere in this issue for how these measurements should look
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Also in the same issue of Stereophile, a well-known brand of integrated amplifier with an integrated DAC had some unusual measurements. I don't intend to knock on the other product, so I won't mention the brand, and also feel that if there are issues with it, the company will figure them out. But I was amused with John Atkinson's remark in the test phase of the review:
" ...
However, with S/PDIF and AES/EBU data and upsampling, which KM didn't audition, some of the measurements were perverse—see the Bryston review elsewhere in this issue for how these measurements should look
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Hi Johnny
Yes someone else sent me that info as well and I think many products that get touted as better just because they cost more is sadly more the norm than the exception. :scratch:
james
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: BDA-3 DAC – Product Of The Year Award
December 2016
Hi Folks,
The Bryston BDA3 DAC gets 2016 “PRODUCT OF THE YEAR”
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154913)
LINK:
http://everythingaudionetwork.blogspot.com/2016/12/audiophile-dac-review-bryston-bda-3-da.html
Favourite Quote:
The Bryston BDA-3 is the best-sounding DAC the company has ever made and is one of the most open, accurate D/A converters on the market.
Couple the pristine sonic character with the plethora of connection options, and you got yourself one mighty fine piece of hi-fi gear.
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Congratulations on another well deserved award!
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Congrats!!
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Hi Johnny
Yes someone else sent me that info as well and I think many products that get touted as better just because they cost more is sadly more the norm than the exception. :scratch:
james
I have tested some unusually expensive, well reviewed, "desirable" DACs as well. The "secret" to their sound is often an very high voltage output, giving the listener a heightened sense of energy and liveliness. This is great, I guess, provided you don't overload your preamp input or are even able to turn up the volume past "1" :(
Luckily the BDA3 appears to be engineered (correctly) to universally work with other brands as well as Bryston preamps. In the end, being able to effectively use your preamp circuit (ie to the point where circuit noise is well below the noise floor...or turned up above "1") allows you to experience all that dynamic range the BDA3 is capable of resolving. No "secrets", just thorough testing and engineering :)
DJ
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston DAC – Customer Feedback
December 2016
Dear all at Bryston,
A couple of weeks ago I bought a used Bryston DAC to pair with my new Meridian Media Core 200 and my well used Sugden Masterclass IA4 amp with Harbeth Monitor 30 speakers- yes, I live in England, a stones throw from where Beatles came from.
I would like to say that your DAC is truly fantastic in its music making and blends beautifully in my system.
Until now I was mainly listening on LPs, and disregarded CD replay-(A Naim CD player) - I am now enjoying digital music again.
I did try few DACs before and what I like the best about Bryston is, in my humble non-specialist opinion, the focus on the reproduction of music to a very high level without the audio fatigue, and the soundstage it produces. Well done and great work in producing this great equipment.
I do not buy Hi-fi equipment often, but in the future if I am looking to upgrade, Bryston is right up there in my list. Meanwhile, I will advise my hi-fi non-believer friends and colleagues to try one themselves to see the light.
Best wishes and Merry Christmas.
Dr Vinod Kumar Gowda
15 Floral Wood
Liverpool L17 7HR
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston DAC – Customer Feedback
December 2016
Dear all at Bryston,
A couple of weeks ago I bought a used Bryston DAC to pair with my new Meridian Media Core 200 and my well used Sugden Masterclass IA4 amp with Harbeth Monitor 30 speakers- yes, I live in England, a stones throw from where Beatles came from.
I would like to say that your DAC is truly fantastic in its music making and blends beautifully in my system.
Until now I was mainly listening on LPs, and disregarded CD replay-(A Naim CD player) - I am now enjoying digital music again.
I did try few DACs before and what I like the best about Bryston is, in my humble non-specialist opinion, the focus on the reproduction of music to a very high level without the audio fatigue, and the soundstage it produces. Well done and great work in producing this great equipment.
I do not buy Hi-fi equipment often, but in the future if I am looking to upgrade, Bryston is right up there in my list. Meanwhile, I will advise my hi-fi non-believer friends and colleagues to try one themselves to see the light.
Best wishes and Merry Christmas.
Dr Vinod Kumar Gowda
15 Floral Wood
Liverpool L17 7HR
I pair a Sugden amplifier with the BDA3 as well :thumb:
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I have the BDA-3 being fed through an Oppo 105 and it is a superb sounding dac -neutral but organic sounding-really brings out detail without damaging the overall soundscape.
Rest of my system is Gryphon Atilla integrated amp and Zingali Twenty Evo 1.2's sounds simply wonderful.
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Here's a question for James T if he doesn't mind answering.
There's been some debate elsewhere about the impact of HDMI on audio performance since it carries a video signal.
Does the Bryston have to fake video acceptance as part of the handshake protocol on HDMI?
Does the source video settings have any impact on the transfer of signal to the Bryston and therefore audio performance?
I use HDMI to output via my Oppo 105 to the BDA-3 I have zero complaints as the audio performance from the BDA-3 is sublime but as I say some debate on the mechanics of how HDMI works as an audio carrier....
Seasons Greetings.
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Here's a question for James T if he doesn't mind answering.
There's been some debate elsewhere about the impact of HDMI on audio performance since it carries a video signal.
Does the Bryston have to fake video acceptance as part of the handshake protocol on HDMI?
Does the source video settings have any impact on the transfer of signal to the Bryston and therefore audio performance?
I use HDMI to output via my Oppo 105 to the BDA-3 I have zero complaints as the audio performance from the BDA-3 is sublime but as I say some debate on the mechanics of how HDMI works as an audio carrier....
Seasons Greetings.
Hi BSC
Yes HDMI was developed as a video carrier and audio was added in the spaces in between the video. As a result there is generally more jitter associated with HDMI vs other methods.
In our case we use the same HDMI board as in the SP3 Surround Processor and the video is ignored at the input and only the audio is processed.
james
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James thanks for that....in terms of the jitter do you do anything additional to deal with that?
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James thanks for that....in terms of the jitter do you do anything additional to deal with that?
There is not much you can do - you can reduce it a little but you can never get rid of it.
james
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Happy New Year James !
Just playing around with Bluerays via the Bda3...and I am amazed how superb the PCM layers sound ...Live concerts by Diana Krall, Christ Bottu and Jose Feliciano have a level of details, precision and intimacy, which is stunning...I dont miss the surround layers at all...really a bit surprise...
Cheers !
Tom
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Has anyone tried one of the streaming "stick" products on the back of the BDA-3? Examples are Roku stick, Amazon Fire Stick, or Google Chromecast.
I have used an Apple TV just fine.
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Has anyone tried one of the streaming "stick" products on the back of the BDA-3? Examples are Roku stick, Amazon Fire Stick, or Google Chromecast.
I have used an Apple TV just fine.
Is there any advantage of doing this?
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Just asking for other's experience. Nothing special.
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I was wondering if James would be interested in answering a question on MQA and the Bryston BDA-3?
Now I know this may be political or business sensitive so I am not wanting to get into that or leave James feeling exposed I am more interested in the technical aspects.
Would I be right in thinking that getting the BDA-3 able to process MQA files would be tricky and require a hardware modification or could it been done via a firmware update?
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I was wondering if James would be interested in answering a question on MQA and the Bryston BDA-3?
Now I know this may be political or business sensitive so I am not wanting to get into that or leave James feeling exposed I am more interested in the technical aspects.
Would I be right in thinking that getting the BDA-3 able to process MQA files would be tricky and require a hardware modification or could it been done via a firmware update?
HI
As I understand it there is just a software change as long as you are using the XMOS chip which we are.
james
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Thank you very much James for the quick reply.
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I finally solved the issue of bass management if I use my Oppo bdp-95 to drive the BDA-3 DAC through HDMI into the XLR inputs of my Anthem AVM 20. But what I don't know is whether it will generate an HDCP problem if the video out is not connected? I have no display with HDMI to connect to.
Further explanation:
I use component video out at 720p on the Oppo as my primary video output. Apparently 720p gives me enough bandwidth to transmit DSD bitstream to a device connected via HDMI. Assuming that the BDA-3 is only looking for EDID on the connected player this should work fine.
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Hi
Yes the BDA-3 actually measured better in a number of areas. :thumb:
Which brings me to what I have been saying for years - "you can spend more money but you will not get better performance than Bryston"
james
This is likely true.... :icon_lol:. I have heard tons of dacs. Not to belittle other gear but Bryston dacs (i owned BDA1 and 2 at the same time) lay down beats better. They are the king dacs for PRAT. Which is basically all i listen for in digital front. You really can't screw the resolution up but you sure as hell can screw up PRAT. The XLR out on those dacs are the best. It just has better swing than rca imo.
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Brought a BDA-3 home tonight for a quick demo, it needs to be back to the store Monday morning.
It's been on display for a year, so I assume it's broken in.
Using my Denon 3930 as a transport and can compare the Denon analog outs with the Bryston at the push of a button.
At first the difference seems very subtle between the Denon's internal DACS (BB's) and the BDA-3 on most songs until you realize the Bryston does everything a little bit better.
Less brash, quieter, more laid back, smoother, deeper, effortless, no fatigue.
All those little improvements add up to a lot.
It sounds "right"
Makes me want to keep listening, and that's HUGE because I haven't felt that way about my system for a very long time.
And this is all with redbook, don't yet have a player that will output my SACDs via HDMI
Not really surprised, kind of expected this.
Definitely confirms that I'll be buying one of these
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Brought a BDA-3 home tonight for a quick demo, it needs to be back to the store Monday morning.
It's been on display for a year, so I assume it's broken in.
Using my Denon 3930 as a transport and can compare the Denon analog outs with the Bryston at the push of a button.
At first the difference seems very subtle between the Denon's internal DACS (BB's) and the BDA-3 on most songs until you realize the Bryston does everything a little bit better.
Less brash, quieter, more laid back, smoother, deeper, effortless, no fatigue.
All those little improvements add up to a lot.
It sounds "right"
Makes me want to keep listening, and that's HUGE because I haven't felt that way about my system for a very long time.
And this is all with redbook, don't yet have a player that will output my SACDs via HDMI
Not really surprised, kind of expected this.
Definitely confirms that I'll be buying one of these
Hmmmmm, the difference between a SOA DAC and a 10 year old DVD player was subtle? My hats off to Denon.
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Hmmmmm, the difference between a SOA DAC and a 10 year old DVD player was subtle? My hats off to Denon.
It's exactly these small differences that differentiate the good from the great :thumb:
james
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Good point. Try creating a new playlist in Tidal using two versions of the same album, an MQA version and a HIFI version. Put it in shuffle mode, hit play and close your eyes. I know you are not posting about MQA but check out those great "subtle differences". I know it is too soon to put out new MQA product but maybe in 2018.
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It's exactly these small differences that differentiate the good from the great :thumb:
james
I agree and as I listen more those subtle (and I think "subtle" might be too subtle a word to describe it LOL) differences become more pronounced.
My initial comments were made after a fairly short session.
Th DAC had been in my cold car for 1.5 hours. maybe it needed to warm up?
Interestingly, the magnitude of difference seems to vary quite a bit from recording to recording.
Biggest was Bruce Cockburn's Stealing Fire. The soundstage widened by about 2 ft on each side with the Bryston.
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Can't get any of my DVD-As to play.
Works on Dolby (despite the manual saying Dolby isn't supported...the 48K light comes on) but nothing for PPCM or LPCM.
Classic DADs and HDADs work fine? (They're LPCM)
Checked all the outputs on my player, no reason this shouldn't work, especially considering the DADs play
Edit: apparently my Denon won't output LPCM or PPCM if the disc is copy protected, so I'm assuming the old Warners DVDAs fit into that category.
they work fine when I tried HDMI
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Can't get any of my DVD-As to play.
The mysteries of HDCP. I'm still nervous about using HDMI from my Oppo bdp-95 to a bda-3 with my analog video settings. My brother has an Oppo bdp-103 and a bda-3. I may just have to get him to set up for analog video at 720p and try some discs via HDMI.
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I have the BDP2 and the BDA3 combo and tried to play a 352.8 khz flac file and it required the USB input. I thought the USB requirement was for DSD only anyone know why this is? Could the player be putting out a wrong "sync" signal or is just the way it is?
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I have the BDP2 and the BDA3 combo and tried to play a 352.8 khz flac file and it required the USB input. I thought the USB requirement was for DSD only anyone know why this is? Could the player be putting out a wrong "sync" signal or is just the way it is?
The S/PDIF coaxial and XLR inputs can only do up to 24-bit/192kHz, which is the bandwidth limitation of the protocol.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=157112)
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The S/PDIF coaxial/BNC/XLR inputs can only do up to 24-bit/192KHz, which is the bandwidth limitation of the protocol.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=157112)
Cheers X
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Hi Folks,
It’s always a feather in your cap when a reviewer purchases the review sample after their assessment.
BUT when TWO reviewers purchase a unit its exceptionally rare !!!
james
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDA-3 DAC Review – UHF
February 2017
Hi Folks – nice feedback from a review to appear shortly from UHF Magazine on our new BDA-3 DAC.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=157341)
“Hi Folks,
In the midst of listening sessions with the new Bryston BDA3 DAC.
We began the sessions with the unit you see here, the Bryston BDA-3. We had reviewed the BDA-2 in an earlier issue of UHF, and we can say that the third incarnation of this converter is a mighty leap forward. As usual, we don't give “stars” or other numerical ratings to products we review, because that would take away the nuances we strive to add to our reviews.
Suffice it to say that this is a very good product.
Well, we should possibly add one more nuance: we liked the BDA-3 enough to have purchased one for our reference system. And, to add one more nuance, one of our panelists, Albert Simon, bought one as well.
We're continuing our sessions.”
Gerard Resjkind
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That's good to hear.
I've been reading UHF for years (my Father-in-law is a subscriber) and though they can be cranky at times I respect their opinions.
Reviewers buying samples is the sincerest form of flattery IMO, speaks volumes.
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I have a BDA-3 to stay over here for a few days, it sounds in combination with a BDP-2 wonderfull.
But one problem is getting sound through HDMI.
What do I do wrong? The HDMI is coming from an Oppo-103eu and a Arcam DV139 and both don't give me any sound throu HDMI.
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I have a BDA-3 to stay over here for a few days, it sounds in combination with a BDP-2 wonderfull.
But one problem is getting sound through HDMI.
What do I do wrong? The HDMI is coming from an Oppo-103eu and a Arcam DV139 and both don't give me any sound throu HDMI.
I think it has to be the menu in the Oppo not set correctly.
james
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I think it has to be the menu in the Oppo not set correctly.
Does someone on this forum know what settings, I have tried al lot. SACD set to stereo and HDMI set to auto, pcm and tried PCM. Nothing worked.
But also throu HDMI with the Arcam I had no sound.
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Does someone on this forum know what settings, I have tried al lot. SACD set to stereo and HDMI set to auto, pcm and tried PCM. Nothing worked.
But also throu HDMI with the Arcam I had no sound.
I have none of your components, but if nothing works, try a different HDMI cable perhaps. I've had a few HDMI cables over the years that did not work with certain gear properly. Just on the off chance...
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try a different HDMI cable perhaps
Ok, I'm going to try this tonight, but do I have to use a special type of HDMI then?
My HDMI cables are around 3 a 4 years old.
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Ok, I'm going to try this tonight, but do I have to use a special type of HDMI then?
My HDMI cables are around 3 a 4 years old.
No of course not. They don't have to expensive or anything like that. You can easily find HDMI cables locally or on Amazon that are $10-$30 and they'll work perfectly. However, DO pay attention in finding out the particular "VERSION" of that particular HDMI cable and make sure that it is a legitimate claim. I own over 20 HDMI cables and have in the past bought HDMI cables that said one thing, but were really something else, which resulted in lack of transmission with some devices, as you have experienced.
The "VERSION" thing I'm talking about can be learned here when you scroll down to the VERSION subsection: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
(1.0, 1.4, 2.0, 2.2 etc.)
For all your gear, find out what Version is required to function. All your manufacturers should be able to provide that. After you find that, make sure you are actually buying a proper spec cable from a trusted brand. Nothing more, nothing less. Hope that helps.
EDIT: Also, from some basic searching of the Arcam: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/home-cinema/arcam-dv139-crashing-hdmi-glitches-no-audio-th42px80
Try the proper cable and see if that fixes things. Try a direct connection and HDMI cable from another source into the BDA-3 and see if that changes things as well.
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Just tried every HDMI cable I have in the house, no one works. Maybe it's a setting in the DAC?
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Just tried every HDMI cable I have in the house, no one works. Maybe it's a setting in the DAC?
Did you check what your current HDMI cables are rated as? It should be listed somewhere on the wire. Try turning everything on and off again (maybe in the off chance it fixes something).
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Hello,
which Oppo's model do you own? does the BDA3's lock on the front panel become green when HDMI is selected?
I fear that the problem is in the oppo's setting rather than in the cable or bda3...
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Ok, I see you have Oppo 103eu.
go to The Audio Format Setup / HDMI Audio / select Bitstream
SACD Output select DSD
as DSD output is only available from the HDMI 2 OUT port, please make sure that you connected that one instead of HDMI 1 out port
if all is working properly, the green light on "Lock" in the front panel should appear, and the light on your BDA3 on DSD64 should be amber when sacd is playing on the Oppo.
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Ok, I see you have Oppo 103eu.
go to The Audio Format Setup / HDMI Audio / select Bitstream
SACD Output select DSD
as DSD output is only available from the HDMI 2 OUT port, please make sure that you connected that one instead of HDMI 1 out port
I all did this, but no green light :-(
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Hi
What dealer? - maybe they could try it at their store - could be a faulty HDMI board?
james
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The DAC is borrowed from the Bryston importer here. It's going back this wednesday and I will tell him that we didn't get the HDMI to work.
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The DAC is borrowed from the Bryston importer here. It's going back this wednesday and I will tell him that we didn't get the HDMI to work.
Ok - thanks - I just tried my OPPO at home and HDMI works fine.
I assume you have the output connected to a monitor?
james
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I assume you have the output connected to a monitor?
You mean on the BDA-3?
No, I didn't do that because I only want to hear music. Is that the trick?
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You mean on the BDA-3?
No, I didn't do that because I only want to hear music. Is that the trick?
Hi
I use a small monitor to see what the playlist is on the SACD and manage whats playing.
james
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Is a monitor needed for an HDMI "handshake" signal to complete the audio connection?
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Is a monitor needed for an HDMI "handshake" signal to complete the audio connection?
Hi
No - but you need it initially to set up the menus etc.
james
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The DAC is borrowed from the Bryston importer here. It's going back this wednesday and I will tell him that we didn't get the HDMI to work.
I strongly suspect as G.Hill suggested this is a set up issue -I have the 105 can take a bit of time just to get it set up right-I wish I had saw this at the time-the Stereophile review used the 103 and had a great section explaining it.....anyway did you get to the bottom of the issue when you returned the DAC?
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Hoiman,
did you tried with blueray or dvd? or only with sacd?
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did you tried with blueray or dvd? or only with sacd?
SACD and music from a usb.
anyway did you get to the bottom of the issue when you returned the DAC?
No because this one was borrowed.
I orded one because I liked the combination with the BDP-2 and I will take a look at this issue with the new one I got, in about 4 weeks.
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Ok, fine. I think that you'll not be disappointed
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Hi.
Recently my BDA-3 have been having drop outs when using the HDMI inputs.
It happens when it`s connected to the TV-decoder and the Playstation.
Red light on the input, then green light - but then I only have the sound and no picture.
Hope someone can help!
I also tried to figure out how to update it, but no luck... I`m not very handy when it comes to tech stuff... :duh:
Anyone have a step by step solution for me?
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Hi.
Recently my BDA-3 have been having drop outs when using the HDMI inputs.
It happens when it`s connected to the TV-decoder and the Playstation.
Red light on the input, then green light - but then I only have the sound and no picture.
Hope someone can help!
I also tried to figure out how to update it, but no luck... I`m not very handy when it comes to tech stuff... :duh:
Anyone have a step by step solution for me?
Hi
The only thing I can think of is the source is dropping the HDMI signal and the BDA3 is not decoding when that occurs. Is it random or just when things are changing on the screen?
james
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It happens random and when the light goes green again it only sends the sound. The TV is black, so looks like the hdmi pass through function then is disabled or something...
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It happens random and when the light goes green again it only sends the sound. The TV is black, so looks like the hdmi pass through function then is disabled or something...
OK and it was fine before?
Email Mike Pickett and he can help with the update instructions. mpickett@bryston.com
james
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Yes it was fine before, this started recently...
I sent him an e-mail, so I will take it from there.
Thanks again!
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Update: only red lights on the HDMI inputs... :o
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Update: only red lights on the HDMI inputs... :o
Hi
Yes the source is not sending a signal for some reason and the BDA3 is loosing lock. With sources that do not default to no signal there is no issue.
james
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Seems like the sources are sending signals, I hooked them directly to the TV and then everything is ok.
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Its strange - lets see what Mike has to say.
james
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Back on track again! :D
Thanks to the guys at Bryston!
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Back on track again! :D
Thanks to the guys at Bryston!
What was the issue?
james
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One of the ribbon cables connected to the HDMI board was quite loose.
Hooked it up again - and now all seems to be working perfect again.
How the cable got loose is a little odd, since the BDA-3 has not been moved around after I got it.
But thanks again for your help.
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Hallo James, when could i expect to get my BDA3 that i ordered in late January? According to the sales man it should have left Bryston early in February.
Best regards Raimo.
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Hallo James, when could i expect to get my BDA3 that i ordered in late January? According to the sales man it should have left Bryston early in February.
Best regards Raimo.
Hi Raimo
What dealer and I will check.
james
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Hi Raimo
What dealer and I will check.
james
It is Digital Audio in Lithuania. It was a deal with a ex demo 4B3 and a new BDA3.
Best regards Raimo.
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It is Digital Audio in Lithuania. It was a deal with a ex demo 4B3 and a new BDA3.
Best regards Raimo.
wow! congrats! :thumb:
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It is Digital Audio in Lithuania. It was a deal with a ex demo 4B3 and a new BDA3.
Best regards Raimo.
Hi Raimo
From Export:
They should have this now...was shipped in Feb.
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Hi Raimo
From Export:
They should have this now...was shipped in Feb.
Thank you very much, i will contact them.
Best regards Raimo.
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wow! congrats! :thumb:
Thanks :D Love the amp, looking forward to hear the Dac :P
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Hi Raimo,
I think you're gonna like it!
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Now it has arrived to the shop and will be shipped to me tomorrow. I am very excited to hear it :P.
I really like the BDA1 specially in combination with the 4B3, with my 4BSST it sounded more harsh.
My old reference player Pioneer DV668 was often a better match with the 4BSST depending on the recording.
I really hope and think that the BDA3 will outperforme both of them.
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Now it has arrived to the shop and will be shipped to me tomorrow. I am very excited to hear it :P.
I really like the BDA1 specially in combination with the 4B3, with my 4BSST it sounded more harsh.
My old reference player Pioneer DV668 was often a better match with the 4BSST depending on the recording.
I really hope and think that the BDA3 will outperforme both of them.
Congrats and do keep BOTH DACs. I find the BDA-1 has that analog-like mojo and superb soundstage that are irresistible for PCM files.
Nothing succeeds like excess. :thumb:
Haven't heard the BDA-3, don't plan to, either.
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It was years between my auditions of the BDA-1 and the BDA-3 (tough to compare based on memory) but I can say your description of the BDA-1 having an analog-like mojo and superb soundstage applies to the BDA-3 as well.
Sadly, after almost $1600 of unexpected repairs to my wife's car, my order of a BDA-3 has been delayed for a few more months
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It was years between my auditions of the BDA-1 and the BDA-3 (tough to compare based on memory) but I can say your description of the BDA-1 having an analog-like mojo and superb soundstage applies to the BDA-3 as well.
Sadly, after almost $1600 of unexpected repairs to my wife's car, my order of a BDA-3 has been delayed for a few more months
More the reason for me to stick with my beloved BDA-1 ! :thumb:
Hope you eventually get to do the -3. WAF or no WAF.....
:green:
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Does the BDA-3 have ARC?
Today, watching a blu ray (Oppo) with sound on my stereo, I have HDMI to the tv and optic to my BDA-1. Watching regular or smart TV the sound is also sent optical to my BDA-1 from the TV. I am waiting for my BDA-3 and plan to run the blu ray through the BDA-3 to the TV, expecting this to be an upgrade. Will I still need the optical( or a second hdmi) from my tv to my BDA-3? My tv is ARC ready and I used to have a receiver accepting the return channel.
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Does the BDA-3 have ARC?
Today, watching a blu ray (Oppo) with sound on my stereo, I have HDMI to the tv and optic to my BDA-1. Watching regular or smart TV the sound is also sent optical to my BDA-1 from the TV. I am waiting for my BDA-3 and plan to run the blu ray through the BDA-3 to the TV, expecting this to be an upgrade. Will I still need the optical( or a second hdmi) from my tv to my BDA-3? My tv is ARC ready and I used to have a receiver accepting the return channel.
I will ask Chris on this but with the HDMI it should only need the one connection.
james
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Not sure how your system is set up but using my Oppo to the TV I use 2 HDMI's ...one from HDMI 1 for Audio to the BDA-3 (SACD etc and it will do other audio from the Oppo) and HDMI 2 direct to my TV which sends the TV picture.
However I also use a digital out from my TV to my BDA-3 which is optical which means all my TV based stuff-it's an Android TV goes through my BDA-3 and amp.....
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Does the BDA-3 have ARC?
Today, watching a blu ray (Oppo) with sound on my stereo, I have HDMI to the tv and optic to my BDA-1. Watching regular or smart TV the sound is also sent optical to my BDA-1 from the TV. I am waiting for my BDA-3 and plan to run the blu ray through the BDA-3 to the TV, expecting this to be an upgrade. Will I still need the optical( or a second hdmi) from my tv to my BDA-3? My tv is ARC ready and I used to have a receiver accepting the return channel.
Not sure how your system is set up but using my Oppo to the TV I use 2 HDMI's ...one from HDMI 1 for Audio to the BDA-3 (SACD etc and it will do other audio from the Oppo) and HDMI 2 direct to my TV which sends the TV picture.
However I also use a digital out from my TV to my BDA-3 which is optical which means all my TV based stuff-it's an Android TV goes through my BDA-3 and amp.....
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I believe that the ARC he is asking about is a remote control protocol, which travels over the HDMI connection. I don't know that answer, as all my components can get an IR signal in my room.
I use the BDA-3 as a true HRMI switcher, with a cable box, Oppo BluRay, and AppleTV plugged into the DAC, and the HDMI out to the TV (blue jeans cable makes a lovely long HDMI cable to your length). All sound comes through the DAC of course.
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ARC - Audio Return Channel --> http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/arc.aspx (http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/arc.aspx)
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http://novo.press/bryston-bda-3-dac-digital-to-analog-converter-review/
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ARC - Audio Return Channel --> http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/arc.aspx (http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/arc.aspx)
I sure remembered that wrong! Thanks.
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Hallo James, my BDA3 just arrived but the salesman forgot the invoice. I did not get any invoice with the amp either. When i contacted him about that he claimed that the Paypal invoice would do. But he promised that he would send both invoices with the BDA3 but he clearly forgot that. Is it correct that the Paypal invoice is enough?
I will get back with my impressions of the BDA3.
Best Regards Raimo.
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Hallo James, my BDA3 just arrived but the salesman forgot the invoice. I did not get any invoice with the amp either. When i contacted him about that he claimed that the Paypal invoice would do. But he promised that he would send both invoices with the BDA3 but he clearly forgot that. Is it correct that the Paypal invoice is enough?
I will get back with my impressions of the BDA3.
Best Regards Raimo.
Hi Raimo
Email me the dealer you bought from and the serial numbers of both units and I will confirm the warranty for you. jamestanner@bryston.com
Look forward to your impressions - what DAC did you have before?
james
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Hi Raimo
Email me the dealer you bought from and the serial numbers of both units and I will confirm the warranty for you. jamestanner@bryston.com
Look forward to your impressions - what DAC did you have before?
james
Hi James,thank you. Will check that tomorrow and come back to you.
My reference for the past 10 years is a DVD player. Pioneer DV668, a very fine player indeed.
I found a jused BDA1 just before christmas and i liked it very much but with some records the Pioneer sounded more relaxed and smooth.
But with the new 4B3 vs 4BSST it sounded much better, so it was more the amp than the Dac.
I got the time to play a few records with the BDA3 fresh out of the box and the first impression is a very open,smooth and detailed
sound.
It does not draw attention to it self, it is just the music.
It has the same character as the 4B3, and i really like it :P.
I will fill in with more imressions when it has burnt in fore a few days.
I found a used BP26 from Basically Sound in England, looking forward to hear it :D. I will comment on my impressions when i get it.
It is very rare to find used Bryston products in Sweden.
The problem is that the dealership for Sweden is in Norway, the only Scandinavian country that is not a part of EU.
It is a hassle with customs and such.
The result is that there are only 2 shops in Sweden that sells Bryston products but only on commission.
Bryston have a very good reputation in Sweden but it is very difficult to buy them here, it is a sad thing.
Best Regards Raimo.
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Hi Raimo,
ironically I live in Eastern Europe, EU member since 2007.
My first Bryston stuff ( Bryston B100-SST and Bryston BCD-1) were bought from United Arab Emirates , the speakers ( PMC OB1i) from England, then pre-amplifier ( Bryston BP-26) and power amplifier ( 14B-SST) from Germany, Bryston BCD 1 from England, Bryston BCD 1 from Holland, another power packs 120 from England, speakers form Norway ( PMC MB2 SE) and 2 mono blocks ( Bryston 7B-SST2). Looking for Bryston BDA-3 to be added over new player. So custom hassle is not uncommon to me, but it's worth.
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Hi Raimo,
ironically I live in Eastern Europe, EU member since 2007.
My first Bryston stuff ( Bryston B100-SST and Bryston BCD-1) were bought from United Arab Emirates , the speakers ( PMC OB1i) from England, then pre-amplifier ( Bryston BP-26) and power amplifier ( 14B-SST) from Germany, Bryston BCD 1 from England, Bryston BCD 1 from Holland, another power packs 120 from England, speakers form Norway ( PMC MB2 SE) and 2 mono blocks ( Bryston 7B-SST2). Looking for Bryston BDA-3 to be added over new player. So custom hassle is not uncommon to me, but it's worth.
Hallo Daniel, i agree. It is worth the hassle. It is not easy to be a die hard Bryston fan somtimes :icon_lol:.
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Well I appreciate you guys going the extra mile for us :thumb:
james
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Update on the BDA3. Very neutral sound indeed, it is like one bit in - one bit out and nothing more or less!
I can play much louder without my ears hurting vs BDA1.
Easier to hear in to the recordings and bigger difference between recordings.
If a recording sounds bad you can hear that it is in the recording and nothing that the BDA3 does.
I will come back on the BP26, it should ship from England today.
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Not sure how your system is set up but using my Oppo to the TV I use 2 HDMI's ...one from HDMI 1 for Audio to the BDA-3 (SACD etc and it will do other audio from the Oppo) and HDMI 2 direct to my TV which sends the TV picture.
However I also use a digital out from my TV to my BDA-3 which is optical which means all my TV based stuff-it's an Android TV goes through my BDA-3 and amp.....
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Thx, my setup is very much like yours, except I only have one hdmi out from my oppo hence connecting tv through the bda. Keeping the digital return channel from the tv to the bda is no big issue.
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I am very new to the world of separate DACS, streaming and music servers but I am attempting to incorporate this into my system....so I have a few pretty basic questions related to the BDA-3. I would like to make the BDA-3 the center of my digital system. I want to be able to stream TIDAL and ripped files from a USB drive (or other some such storage device). Also wondering if I can run my Sony 5400ES SACD player through the BDA-3 via the HDMI connection and possibly derive some benefits?
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I am very new to the world of separate DACS, streaming and music servers but I am attempting to incorporate this into my system....so I have a few pretty basic questions related to the BDA-3. I would like to make the BDA-3 the center of my digital system. I want to be able to stream TIDAL and ripped files from a USB drive (or other some such storage device). Also wondering if I can run my Sony 5400ES SACD player through the BDA-3 via the HDMI connection and possibly derive some benefits?
I think in any upgrade move a fair bit depends on your overall system.
I think it's very likely if your speakers and amp are up to the job you will be in for a treat with the BDA-3 as I would think it will elevate your disc playing well beyond your Sony-as HDMI and COAX out (either or) should be straightforward. Tidal and your USB aspect has the potential to be marvellous but depends on your primary source...PC? or how your wifi is connected.......for example in my home set up-a big room etc I haven't been able to get a good stand alone PC/MAC set up but I use my Oppo to play download files....with my wi-fi set up on Tidal at the highest res via the Oppo I think due to wi-fi/connection limitations it's enjoyable but not at disc replay performance. Still I'm happy with my Oppo/Bryston combo as it covers most bases.
There's no doubt the Bryston could do the job for you-I would be shocked if you didn't hear an immediate positive difference over your Sony but individual set ups these days are almost limitless so I would need to know more about your system.
The versatility of the Bryston is such that it can take a wide variety of inputs-the question is what are you outputs specifically.......
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Any news of any software updates for the BDA-3 James?
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Any news of any software updates for the BDA-3 James?
No changes I am aware of - problems?
James
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: UHF Review - Bryston BDA-3 DAC
April 2017
COMING SOON:
Full in-depth review of our new Bryston BDA-3 DAC in UHF Magazine.
By the way, the BDA-3 will be on our next cover.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160922)
“We began our listening sessions with the unit you see here, the Bryston BDA-3.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160923)
We had reviewed the BDA-2 in an earlier issue of UHF, and we can say that the third incarnation of this converter is a mighty leap forward.
As usual, we don't give “stars” or other numerical ratings to products we review, because that would take away the nuances we strive to add to our reviews. Suffice it to say that this is a very good product.
Well, we should possibly add one more nuance: we liked the BDA-3 enough to have purchased one for our reference system. And, to add one more nuance, two of our panelists bought one as well.”
UHF Magazine
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDA – 3 Review – UHF Magazine
May 2017
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=161622)
We've had a pause in our publishing schedule, not for the first time in our 35-year history. But we're getting the new issue put together. You can see the cover here.
What's more, there are changes afoot that will make it easier for us to put out the magazine more regularly. We'll be telling about that shortly.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=161623)
The product on the cover, in front of the trees with their Spring buds, is the Bryston BDA-3 DAC, the new DAC from this famed Canadian manufacturer.
The older BDA-2 is still in the catalogue, but the new unit is worth waiting for. In point of fact we bought one ourselves.
There will be another Bryston product in our review lineup, the TF2 Moving-Coil Transformer .
Years ago (back in the 80's), Bryston was selling the TF1, a step-up transformer for moving-coil cartridges. We still own one, which we use to match a Goldring Excel cartridge to the Copland tube preamplifier that is at the heart of our Alpha reference system.
As analog seemed to be fading away, the TF1 was discontinued, though it lived on inside Bryston's own preamplifiers. But analog is back, obviously, and Bryston even makes turntables.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=161624)
We might add that making a step-up transformer is harder than it may seem, and in the intervening years, we've heard some duds (the Talisman and the YBA, notably). We're looking forward to hearing the TF2.
Gerard Rejskin,
UHF Magazine
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Well, I just did it! :o
Just picked up a Black 17" BDA3 from my local dealer.
Will replace my Benchmark DAC2.
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Well, I just did it! :o
Just picked up a Black 17" BDA3 from my local dealer.
Will replace my Benchmark DAC2.
Congratulations! :thumb:
Looking forward to reading your impressions after you break it in.
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Hello James,
For the upcoming BDA-3 + BP26 combo, will the pre-amp be controlled by pot alone like the BHA-1 or will it be remote controlled? Trying to see if it will be suitable more for desktop or TV rig.
Also, if possible, do you think the release is looking at 2017 or 2018? Thanks.
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Hello James,
For the upcoming BDA-3 + BP26 combo, will the pre-amp be controlled by pot alone like the BHA-1 or will it be remote controlled? Trying to see if it will be suitable more for desktop or TV rig.
Also, if possible, do you think the release is looking at 2017 or 2018? Thanks.
Hi
It would be fully remote.
james
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Hi James
Two questions, will it still use the MPS power supply, and will it have home theatre bypass capability?
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Hi James
Two questions, will it still use the MPS power supply, and will it have home theatre bypass capability?
No it will be a completely different power supply as the MPS-2 is only for powering analog gear not digital.
Yes it will have a pass-through
james
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Hi
It would be fully remote.
james
Thanks James. Will there also be a fixed line level XLR output, or just the one XLR pair with the pre-amp? Having one fixed and one variable would be quite nice as the fixed could go to headphone amps and the variable could go to power amps or active monitors. It's the only one thing I didn't like about the BP-26.
If you end up going with only output, then perhaps it would be good to have a design where the volume control section can be taken out completely once the max output is reached. Example: http://dangerousmusic.com/product/convert-2/ (hard switch)
I'm not an engineer so just trying to pass off some features that I would like as a customer. I'm sure you guys will make it sound amazing. I have another idea regarding how the ethernet connection could be used if ethernet is going to be included. It can be used to control volume, switch inputs, and maybe have those options all on the same page as the Manic Moose one for BDP. So you can change tracks, load music, change output for a quick switch to watch something else via USB on computer and then go back, and turn the volume down of the BDA+BP combo all from the same page (not the digital volume of BDP). That would be something!
I'm happy to hear about the inclusion of a remote. Any idea on the ballpark of pricing?
I'll let you guys get back to work. Cheers :thumb:
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Hi
Actually it will have 6 outputs because I want to build in the Active crossovers for the Model T and Middle T.
James
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Hi
Actually it will have 6 outputs because I want to build in the Active crossovers for the Model T and Middle T.
James
Very interesting! I would love to see any pics of just what the front or rear panel would look like to understand what this device can do and how many ways it can be used. Trying to put the full picture together of what the signal chain would look like. Thanks.
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Hi
Actually it will have 6 outputs because I want to build in the Active crossovers for the Model T and Middle T.
James
That must be some beast you're designing there James. Can't wait to hear and see more.
While you're at it, will you throw in a balanced pass-trough to connect the (unamped) signal to the BHA? And, for the passive listeners amongst us, will you design a model without the active X-over also?
Cheers,
Marius
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That must be some beast you're designing there James. Can't wait to hear and see more.
While you're at it, will you throw in a balanced pass-trough to connect the (unamped) signal to the BHA? And, for the passive listeners amongst us, will you design a model without the active X-over also?
Cheers,
Marius
The active crossover will be a plug in card as will the phono stage.
james
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James a question not directly related to Bryston but I'm sure there are a lot of BDA-3 owners like me who use an Oppo with your DAC I currently have the Oppo 105.
The new Oppo 205 has apparently improved clock performance via HDMI which is of interest to me especially since you've mentioned it in the past. Have you any plans to try this player out?
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James a question not directly related to Bryston but I'm sure there are a lot of BDA-3 owners like me who use an Oppo with your DAC I currently have the Oppo 105.
The new Oppo 205 has apparently improved clock performance via HDMI which is of interest to me especially since you've mentioned it in the past. Have you any plans to try this player out?
Hi
I have the 103 but I will see if I can test a 205.
james
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Has there been any firmware updates for the BDA3?
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Has there been any firmware updates for the BDA3?
Hi
No updates.
james
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Hi
No updates.
james
Thanks James
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Will the BDA-3 pass through HDR 4K video? I don't understand the details of all the different HDMI formats, and the TV business changes so fast...
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I connected my blu-ray player to the BDA-3 by HDMI and connect the HDMI from the BDA-3 to an HDMI input on the SP3. When I tried to pass through the signal on the SP3 I got a noise. What am I doing wrong?
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Try the RCA or XLR connection from the BDA-3 instead of the HDMI to your processor and see what happens.
See page 5 in the manual:
http://bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDA3_MANUAL.pdf
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Try the RCA or XLR connection from the BDA-3 instead of the HDMI
But what if he wants to put only video throu?
I connected my blu-ray player to the BDA-3 by HDMI and connect the HDMI from the BDA-3 to an HDMI input on the SP3. When I tried to pass through the signal on the SP3 I got a noise. What am I doing wrong?
What is it that you want to do with this connection? Video or sound?
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Try the RCA or XLR connection from the BDA-3 instead of the HDMI to your processor and see what happens.
See page 5 in the manual:
http://bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDA3_MANUAL.pdf
Thank you.
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BTW - the product page for the BDA-3 states that 4K video is passed through.
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I guess this means you cannot pass through 7.1 True Dolby HD or DTA-MA. :o
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As I read it, all audio will pass through if the BDA is set to a non-HDMI input. If the BDA is set to an HDMI input obviously you want sound into a HiFi system not a surround system, but it still passes through the video so you can see a picture and listen to stereo.
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As I read it, all audio will pass through if the BDA is set to a non-HDMI input. If the BDA is set to an HDMI input obviously you want sound into a HiFi system not a surround system, but it still passes through the video so you can see a picture and listen to stereo.
But only HDMI can play the HD codecs.
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But only HDMI can play the HD codecs.
it should pass 4K video, but will it also pass the -new- UHD signal, cant seem to find info on that? With the ever changing video codes, the HDMI passthrough on the BDA3 will need to be future proof somehow. Maybe through software upgrades?
Where can we find the specs on that?
on the Bryston site it states the BDA3 accepts SACD input via HDMI, but I don't understand why that would be any better than the SACD input the BDA1 accepts via SPDIF... :scratch: BDA1 decodes the 88 signal just fine?
Marius
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on the Bryston site it states the BDA3 accepts SACD input via HDMI, but I don't understand why that would be any better than the SACD input the BDA1 accepts via SPDIF... :scratch: BDA1 decodes the 88 signal just fine?
SPDIF connection would provide a PCM signal as you indicated, but when connected via HDMI to a suitable SACD player the BDA-3 will receive and decode the DSD bitstream from an SACD.
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SPDIF connection would provide a PCM signal as you indicated, but when connected via HDMI to a suitable SACD player the BDA-3 will receive and decode the DSD bitstream from an SACD.
Ok, that's cool, didn't realize that before. Thanks.
Cheers,
Marius
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Hi James,
I was wondering if you could send me a personal message here on this site (or email me) the latest available firmware for the BDA-3.
Is it possible ?
Thanks for your help!
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Hi James,
I was wondering if you could send me a personal message here on this site (or email me) the latest available firmware for the BDA-3.
Is it possible ?
Thanks for your help!
Hi
The BDA-3 software has not changed as far as I know.
james
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I have the u2016.04c.
On 8 Apr 2016, 04:01 pm you wrote:
Hi Folks,
I have a new version of the BDA-3 software.
Email me if you want to give it a try.
jamestanner@bryston.com
james
That's why I contacted you....
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I have the u2016.04c.
On 8 Apr 2016, 04:01 pm you wrote:
Hi Folks,
I have a new version of the BDA-3 software.
Email me if you want to give it a try.
jamestanner@bryston.com
james
That's why I contacted you....
OOPS - brain fade - email Mike he will know - mpickett@bryston.com
james
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SPDIF connection would provide a PCM signal as you indicated, but when connected via HDMI to a suitable SACD player the BDA-3 will receive and decode the DSD bitstream from an SACD.
Please let me get back on this just to be sure:
I've set the outputs on the sacd to pcm, and depending on the audio on the sacd, the highest i will get is 88.1/24? If I set it to bitstream, I will get the dsd format, and the resolution would depend on what's recorded.
Where I thought to have to buy a new player, was thinking of the Oppo 205, I would in fact need a new dac which can decode all those formats? Only thing my current BDA1 decodes is the PCM stream, which is limited per SACD design. Would i be able to play the Bitstream/dsd signal, i would be enjoying the max possibility of these discs?
Of course the Oppo gives me an updated DAC too, and does it all in one machine, which can be connected to the BP26 :-) Which would lead to another problem: need more balanced inputs on the BP26. Cd, and Dac are connected now, so no spare inputs left.
If id hook it up earlier in the chain, id choose the AES-EBU route to the DAC. Which the Oppo hasn't got...
Cheers,
Marius
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James,
Could you comment on the passthrough spec of the BDA3 please? Ans future upgrading of the HDMI passthrough? (if at all necessary of course)
Thanks,
Marius
it should pass 4K video, but will it also pass the -new- UHD signal, cant seem to find info on that? With the ever changing video codes, the HDMI passthrough on the BDA3 will need to be future proof somehow. Maybe through software upgrades?
Where can we find the specs on that?
Marius
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James,
Could you comment on the passthrough spec of the BDA3 please? Ans future upgrading of the HDMI passthrough? (if at all necessary of course)
Thanks,
Marius
Hi Marius
No plans for changing the HDMI passthrough on the BDA3
james
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Hi Marius
No plans for changing the HDMI passthrough on the BDA3
james
But will it pass the UHD signal? And how will you futureproof the passthrough? Would that be done through software upgrades? Or, put differently, is the BDA3 hardware designed with more headroom than strictly currently needed. Id hate to buy a state of the art dac, which is 'lagging' very soon because of the speed the HDMI is developing.
Marius
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But will it pass the UHD signal? And how will you futureproof the passthrough? Would that be done through software upgrades? Or, put differently, is the BDA3 hardware designed with more headroom than strictly currently needed. Id hate to buy a state of the art dac, which is 'lagging' very soon because of the speed the HDMI is developing.
Marius
Hi
The HDMI board would have to change - so it would be hardware and software. It is a modular design.
James
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Please let me get back on this just to be sure:
I've set the outputs on the sacd to pcm, and depending on the audio on the sacd, the highest i will get is 88.1/24? If I set it to bitstream, I will get the dsd format, and the resolution would depend on what's recorded.
Where I thought to have to buy a new player, was thinking of the Oppo 205, I would in fact need a new dac which can decode all those formats? Only thing my current BDA1 decodes is the PCM stream, which is limited per SACD design. Would i be able to play the Bitstream/dsd signal, i would be enjoying the max possibility of these discs?
Of course the Oppo gives me an updated DAC too, and does it all in one machine, which can be connected to the BP26 :-) Which would lead to another problem: need more balanced inputs on the BP26. Cd, and Dac are connected now, so no spare inputs left.
If id hook it up earlier in the chain, id choose the AES-EBU route to the DAC. Which the Oppo hasn't got...
Cheers,
Marius
Marius - I think James would be best qualified to respond to your post in detail, but I believe the only way your DAC will decode the native DSD from an SACD is via HDMI.
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Audio.bill, for whatever this is worth, if you get a Sony player, SACD will decode at sampling rate of PCM 176.4 which I prefer. I own the BDA-3 and while DSD is nice to have for bragging rights, I find PCM sufficient for all my listening needs.
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Audio.bill, for whatever this is worth, if you get a Sony player, SACD will decode at sampling rate of PCM 176.4 which I prefer. I own the BDA-3 and while DSD is nice to have for bragging rights, I find PCM sufficient for all my listening needs.
As i understood Krutsch on this forum, the Sony takes the 88.2 sr and upsamples to 176.4? so that wouldn't be the original, which as James always states, has his preference putting in into the DAC.
According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD) there's either the original cd layer at 44.1 pcm or the original dsd layer at 1/28224... i'm curious as to which source is used for outputting over HDMI? is it the original 16/44.1 upsampled to 88.2 PCM, or is it the 1/28224 trans-sampled to 88,2 and then upsampled to your preference of 176.4. :scratch:
Still a bit mystifying to me, and keeping to James's originals philosophy one would need a sacd player's HDMI output into a DSD capable dac for the high res layer, or a standard cd player for the original 16/44.1 layer. All in between is calculated on the SACD player. Apparently the Oppo 205 has a state of the art dac that can decode the DSD signal the way the new BDA3 does.
Cheers,
Marius
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As i understood Krutsch on this forum, the Sony takes the 88.2 sr and upsamples to 176.4? so that wouldn't be the original, which as James always states, has his preference putting in into the DAC.
According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD) there's either the original cd layer at 44.1 pcm or the original dsd layer at 1/28224... i'm curious as to which source is used for outputting over HDMI? is it the original 16/44.1 upsampled to 88.2 PCM, or is it the 1/28224 trans-sampled to 88,2 and then upsampled to your preference of 176.4. :scratch:
Still a bit mystifying to me, and keeping to James's originals philosophy one would need a sacd player's HDMI output into a DSD capable dac for the high res layer, or a standard cd player for the original 16/44.1 layer. All in between is calculated on the SACD player. Apparently the Oppo 205 has a state of the art dac that can decode the DSD signal the way the new BDA3 does.
Cheers,
Marius
Marius, I don't think this is correct. What happens is the Sony takes a DSD file from SACD and down samples it to 176.4 whereas the Oppo takes the same file and down samples it to 88.2. This is assuming your processor cannot decode DSD from it HDMI input.
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Marius, I don't think this is correct. What happens is the Sony takes a DSD file from SACD and down samples it to 176.4 whereas the Oppo takes the same file and down samples it to 88.2. This is assuming your processor cannot decode DSD from it HDMI input.
Thanks
That makes sense ;-)
In any case both the 88.2 and 176.4 signals are internally reworked signals of the original layer. And therefor dependent on the used dac. I would suspect that the internals of a 250+ dollar machine would be inferior to the BDA3 (or Oppo205 for that matter) Though I've seen stranger things in audiophile country.
Taking the original into that superior DAC would be one's favorite then.
As always the proof is in the eating, and I will certainly try to arrange that anytime soon :thumb:
Cheers,
Marius
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Hi,
I have a small curiosity if someone would be kind to enlighten me: the different BDA-3 revision numbers written on the back panel (like 1536, 1551, 1616, etc.) represent different hardware versions of the product ?
Thanks,
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Hi,
I have a small curiosity if someone would be kind to enlighten me: the different BDA-3 revision numbers written on the back panel (like 1536, 1551, 1616, etc.) represent different hardware versions of the product ?
Thanks,
I think that's the date of mfr.
1536 = Sept 2015
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In any case both the 88.2 and 176.4 signals are internally reworked signals of the original layer. And therefor dependent on the used dac. I would suspect that the internals of a 250+ dollar machine would be inferior to the BDA3 (or Oppo205 for that matter) Though I've seen stranger things in audiophile country.
Taking the original into that superior DAC would be one's favorite then.
As always the proof is in the eating, and I will certainly try to arrange that anytime soon :thumb:
Cheers,
Marius
Marius, et al...
Some thoughts and experience with SACD & Oppo in a Bryston based system...
Most of my listening is CD, primarily classical and jazz, with selected performances from other genres. CD replay is via a BOT-1/BDP-2 to a good, non-Bryston (so far!) DAC. The balance of the chain is Bryston as well - BP17, 7B3s, and Middle-Ts. For headphone use, I have a BHA-1 in the main HiFi. I attend live music frequently, and that is my primary point of reference.
Because I wanted to explore SACDs, which promise better reproduction, and many well-regarded classical recordings are available as SACDs (e.g. Alia Vox), I started exploring my options some time ago. I opted to purchase a Kanex HDMI de-embedder and a good DVD player as an experiment, without expending a lot of money. The DVD was a Pioneer Elite DV-58AV. I used the optical out from the Kanex, as that was the only available input on my DAC.
I was pleased with the improvement in sound vs the analogue output of the Pioneer, and it was better than the CD layer on most hybrid SACD discs (different mastering for the different layers may account for some variability.) The Pioneer downsampled the SACD to 88k2 for output on HDMI. As noted previously, some players will output 176k4. There is considerable debate about the merits of recording or playback of PCM sampling rates above 96/24. In fact Oppo has stated they chose 88k2 output because it was preferable, not because of hardware limitation.
When Bryston announced the BDA-3, I naturally lusted after it... and one of the reasons for my interest was the prospect of running full DSD64 via HDMI into the BDA-3. I don't usually jump in early when new products and technology come to market, but I have followed press and discussion closely.
Now for some of the complications... Bryston also released the BCD-3, which has raised the prospect of improved playback of the bulk of my library, which is rather large. I haven't taken full advantage of the BDP-2 for file-based playback, due largely to the horrors of the classical meta-data situation, and the uncertainty of provenance/mastering of much of the high-res downloads available. The thought of ripping my collection, and especially the need to massage the meta-data on a track by track basis is not appealing.
I also have a small number of Blu-Ray Audio and DVD-Audio discs, and I'd like to be able to listen to Blu-ray & DVD concert recording on the main HiFi, not just on the video system, which is good, but not up to the standard of the main HiFi. So, when the new Oppos were announced, I started following developments there. I already had very good experience with an Oppo 103D in the video system.
The introduction of the 203 & 205 naturally released some 103/105 series players into the secondary market at fair prices. I decided to purchase a used 103 for the music system, which would add Blu-ray capability, and improve various other aspects vs the Pioneer, which was starting to show its age. That worked out well, and I was happy.
I was still using the Kanex, and when an opportunity to try an upgraded DAC board and power supply for the 103 arose, I jumped in. The DAC was potentially similar to that used in the 105, and substantial claims were made about the benefit of the power supply. The end result was a significant improvement in audio quality, and I was very pleased, though it wasn't perfect - a very low level hum was introduced, related to drive activity, which I haven't resolved yet. It's only notable on headphones, but that is significant to me.
With the minor hum issue, the BDA-3 being a long-term goal, the BCD-3 nagging at me, and now the potential for the BP-173 to upset my equilibrium, I was still contemplating purchasing a 105, if one in suitable condition and reasonable cost came up. One did, and I bought it.
Another path to SACD nirvana that I had contemplated at length (I even made a failed purchase attempt), was a Marantz SA series SACD player. They have very good reputations, but are essentially single-purpose devices, and I was reluctant to add yet more boxes to the main HiFi.
I have only had the 105 a short while, but the results have been very encouraging. Yes, undoubtedly there is better, as a DAC, and as a SACD player. However, it is very good, and I got an immaculate unit, which had been used primarily for its non-disc capabilities, at a very fair price. I've also added DAC inputs in my system, which is good since I'd filled all the inputs of my current DAC and have use for more. Another advantage to having a 103 or 105 is that it is now possible to extract the hi-res audio from SACDs with a fairly straight-forward process using a player of that series. If one's DAC will process DSD files, as mine does, one can now play the hi-res audio directly, using one's DAC, even if it does not provide HDMI inputs, thus bypassing the restrictions imposed on SACD playback.
There is still a relative paucity of credible reviews and commentary about the audio merits of the Oppo 205 vs the 105, but so far the 205's audio plaudits are somewhat muted. The chap that sold me his 105 has purchased a 205, primarily for audio, and while it is too early to provide a final conclusion, he was not immediately convinced it was substantially better.
As well, although my feeling is that the technical quality differences of leading DACs in the Bryston's league are narrowing, differences in character remain significant. I prefer what I perceive to be a neutral presentation - not too euphonic, not too "HiFi", but rather a good likeness of real instruments in real space. Thus, the BDA-3 remains a goal.
Since I do not foresee my moving to UHD video for some time (I'm not very video driven, relative to my music/audio mania) the 205, while intriguing, goes beyond my needs for video, and it's not clear to what degree the 205 outperforms the 105 as a DAC, I'm happy where I've ended up. The 105 is acquitting itself very well, its character suits my music system and my tastes, the 103D is doing an admirable job in the video system, and the upgraded 103 will end up in the (home) office setup.
For substantially less cost than a 205, I've added high quality multi-format playback in two systems, and the Kanex will migrate to the video system, giving enhanced SACD playback there. The key is if you want to go down the UHD video rabbit hole (yet). The 105 is an extremely well-regarded unit, with much to offer, if you don't need the newer video capabilities.
Some operational notes... In my Oppos, you have the option of setting DSD or PCM output for SACDs. That has an modest impact on what you hear from the analogue outputs (I prefer the direct DSD conversion so far) and it also affects the digital output on HDMI. If you choose SACD-->PCM, HDMI is 88k2; if you choose DSD, the limitations imposed by Sony cause the Oppo to output 44k1. Both are sourced from the SACD hi-res layer or CD layer, depending on your choice of setup options in the Oppo (you have the option of choosing which layer to play with hybrid discs.) Decimation of the 1-bit hi-res digital bitstream, to 88k2 or 176k4, is a mathematically straight-forward process and in theory should not be too detrimental, but as with all things audio, the devil's in the details. Then it's on to the DAC (internal or external) to do the conversion to analogue, with whatever effect that has.
The BDA-3 offers the option of upsampling 44k1 material to 176k4, or 48k to 192k. That's an entirely different process, and should be evaluated based on the end result, comparing the original vs the upsampled output, with your own music. Some manufacturers don't give you the option of choosing, and I appreciate Bryston leaving it to us to decide for ourselves.
The Oppos all have two HDMI outputs, in the 203/5 one is for video, and the other just for audio, so if needed the video can be routed to your UHD video playback chain, and the audio to the the BDA3 or another audio processor. The 103/5 offer the same split audio/video mode, but both outputs will do video, albeit with different video processing. If you care about multi-channel audio (i.e. surround - more than two, up to 11.2!), it'd need to be handled by a system capable of that. With the recent introduction of UHD players, Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos etc., equipment that can handle all the new audio & video capabilities is not common, and there are still many wrinkles to be worked out. I don't envy Bryston and other quality manufacturers trying to keep up in the audio-for-video processing space without compromising quality.
In the end, while we all strive for the best performance from our systems, we shouldn't lose sight of why we are doing this. It's to enjoy the benefits of great music, and if the end result is a compelling and enriching experience that enhances our lives, it doesn't matter how you get there. Playing music is the only meaningful way to assess the impact of any piece of equipment in our systems. Obsessing about the minutiae has its rewards, and its costs, but it's the music that counts.
Back to Bach... ;)
Regards,
Syncytial.
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In reply to Syncytial.
I have the BDA-3 which I use with an Oppo 105. The BDA-3 on all formats is well above the performance level of the 105 and I say that knowing how good the 105 is for music replay. My system is pretty high end stereo only. My amp is a Gryphon Atilla and Zingali Twenty Evo 1.2 speakers.
To be clear on processing SACD via HDMI it may be the area where the Bryston excels the most it's clear from the colour of the light when locked how the processing is taking place-Bryston are on record by saying the method used in their opinion has no effect on the stereo reproduction.
The Brtyston/Oppo combo for me offers superb versatility in the way you can play all the formats the Oppo can but at an improved level.
One interesting area is that the new Oppo 205 claims to have improved jitter reduction on it's music HDMI interface-as of yet I have not see a single person who has the combo so whether this has any impact is up for debate but it is very tempting.
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In reply to Syncytial.
I have the BDA-3 which I use with an Oppo 105. The BDA-3 on all formats is well above the performance level of the 105 and I say that knowing how good the 105 is for music replay. My system is pretty high end stereo only. My amp is a Gryphon Atilla and Zingali Twenty Evo 1.2 speakers.
To be clear on processing SACD via HDMI it may be the area where the Bryston excels the most it's clear from the colour of the light when locked how the processing is taking place-Bryston are on record by saying the method used in their opinion has no effect on the stereo reproduction.
The Brtyston/Oppo combo for me offers superb versatility in the way you can play all the formats the Oppo can but at an improved level.
One interesting area is that the new Oppo 205 claims to have improved jitter reduction on it's music HDMI interface-as of yet I have not see a single person who has the combo so whether this has any impact is up for debate but it is very tempting.
Thanks! The performance of the BDA-3 relative to the 105 is as expected, but it's good to get confirmation, especially about the SACD decoding.
A couple of questions...
1/ Do you use HDMI for all the digital audio from the 105 to the BDA-3, or do you prefer SPDIF for the non-SACD sources?
2/ Are you using the analogue outputs from the 105 at all (e.g. for surround)? If you're not using the analogue outputs, then a 103 should offer the same performance when coupled with the BDA-3.
I hope that we'll see reports of the 205's audio capabilities that will help define how it stacks up as a DAC, and the jitter reduction on HDMI 2 is interesting, but it's impact is likely to be very dependent upon the DAC used with it. HDMI is a very imperfect interface/specification and I doubt we'd use it for audio except for its ease of implementation with video, or with SACD due to the inability to carry DSD over SPDIF or AES.
The BDA-3 offers a lot... inputs in all the relevant formats (physical and digital), very good display of signal characteristics, exceptional sound, and Bryston's renowned support. In a two-channel setup, especially where SACD is important, it's hard to beat.
Syncytial.
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I owned an Oppo (95) for a little less than 30 days as I returned it. I thought it was a very well constructed blu-ray player and loved it operationally. However, I did not like the sound of its D/A converter. In my opinion, the Oppo is overkill price wise, and an inexpensive Sony player is a better buy because it samples DSD through HDMI at PCM 176.4 and cost a lot less. I can buy 2 Sony's for what I pay for one lower priced Oppo. With my SP-3, I would have no use for a players' D/A converter.
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I owned an Oppo (95) for a little less than 30 days as I returned it. I thought it was a very well constructed blu-ray player and loved it operationally. However, I did not like the sound of its D/A converter. In my opinion, the Oppo is overkill price wise, and an inexpensive Sony player is a better buy because it samples DSD through HDMI at PCM 176.4 and cost a lot less. I can buy 2 Sony's for what I pay for one lower priced Oppo. With my SP-3, I would have no use for a players' D/A converter.
I use SPDF for non-SACD or Blu Ray Audio discs. I spent a fair bit of time making sure the set up was correct/optimised. I think you don't have the Upsample option via HDMI plus HDMI via the Oppo does produce the odd pop-it's described in the new TAS review out this month so for a variety of reasons I use SPDIF for any CD or non DSD file playback.
No I don't use any other aspect of the Oppo other than as a transport these days but for a long time it was my source only in previous systems.
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I use SPDF for non-SACD or Blu Ray Audio discs. I spent a fair bit of time making sure the set up was correct/optimised. I think you don't have the Upsample option via HDMI plus HDMI via the Oppo does produce the odd pop-it's described in the new TAS review out this month so for a variety of reasons I use SPDIF for any CD or non DSD file playback.
No I don't use any other aspect of the Oppo other than as a transport these days but for a long time it was my source only in previous systems.
The 105 from what I gather was a good step up from the 95 in terms of stereo replay. I used my 105 to replace an Ayre CX-7. I had for a while an Esoteric X-03SE in my system as well which shaded the Oppo but I missed the versatility of the Oppo-CD/DVDA/SACD/HDCD and file playback.
I also read years ago one of the world class system owners on Audiogon tried one in his system and thought it held up way beyond his expectations.
Of course everything is personal and system dependent -Oppo isn't the only option but I lost count of the times dealers would groan when I told them I had a 105 because they said it was very difficult to beat without spending mega bucks.
I also think as you build your system as well the rest of your components need to be up to the task of showing the difference in source components and indeed on discs themselves. I have found this to be true for me and others but again there are no universal answers in this game.
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There is a very positive review for the BDA-3 in the new issue of The Absolute Sound just out.
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There is a very positive review for the BDA-3 in the new issue of The Absolute Sound just out.
Hi
Thanks, I have not seen it yet but I heard it was very good. :thumb:
James
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I owned an Oppo (95) for a little less than 30 days as I returned it. I thought it was a very well constructed blu-ray player and loved it operationally. However, I did not like the sound of its D/A converter. In my opinion, the Oppo is overkill price wise, and an inexpensive Sony player is a better buy because it samples DSD through HDMI at PCM 176.4 and cost a lot less. I can buy 2 Sony's for what I pay for one lower priced Oppo. With my SP-3, I would have no use for a players' D/A converter.
Given you're using an SP-3, it may well be that it outshines the Oppo - in fact I'd think it quite likely.
Conveniently, I happen to have an inexpensive Sony Blu-ray, and yes, it does sample at 176k4 and cost a lot less than an Oppo. I tried it against the 105's analogue outs, and the 105 was clearly better, in my system. All the more reason for me to look forward to adding the BDA-3. ;) (BTW, the Oppo I use for video was a dramatic improvement vs the Sony, which it replaced.)
I use SPDF for non-SACD or Blu Ray Audio discs. I spent a fair bit of time making sure the set up was correct/optimised. I think you don't have the Upsample option via HDMI plus HDMI via the Oppo does produce the odd pop-it's described in the new TAS review out this month so for a variety of reasons I use SPDIF for any CD or non DSD file playback.
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No I don't use any other aspect of the Oppo other than as a transport these days but for a long time it was my source only in previous systems.
Of course everything is personal and system dependent -Oppo isn't the only option but I lost count of the times dealers would groan when I told them I had a 105 because they said it was very difficult to beat without spending mega bucks.
I also think as you build your system as well the rest of your components need to be up to the task of showing the difference in source components and indeed on discs themselves. I have found this to be true for me and others but again there are no universal answers in this game.
Using SPDIF from the Oppo makes a lot of sense to me, and you're right, the upsample doesn't affect HDMI or USB signals, according to the manual. I'd also be using AES and USB.
I'll be very curious to see the TAS review, although I'm not a slave to reviews. Pops via HDMI are a bit disquieting... but perhaps an update to the Oppo or BDA-3 will address that.
Your other comments about system dependence and subjective assessment are spot on. :)
Syncytial.
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Given you're using an SP-3, it may well be that it outshines the Oppo - in fact I'd think it quite likely.
Conveniently, I happen to have an inexpensive Sony Blu-ray, and yes, it does sample at 176k4 and cost a lot less than an Oppo. I tried it against the 105's analogue outs, and the 105 was clearly better, in my system. All the more reason for me to look forward to adding the BDA-3. ;) (BTW, the Oppo I use for video was a dramatic improvement vs the Sony, which it replaced.)
Using SPDIF from the Oppo makes a lot of sense to me, and you're right, the upsample doesn't affect HDMI or USB signals, according to the manual. I'd also be using AES and USB.
I'll be very curious to see the TAS review, although I'm not a slave to reviews. Pops via HDMI are a bit disquieting... but perhaps an update to the Oppo or BDA-3 will address that.
Your other comments about system dependence and subjective assessment are spot on. :)
Syncytial.
Hi!
Do you mean to say the Oppo's analog output sounds better than the Sony's analog output?
Cheers!
Antun
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Conveniently, I happen to have an inexpensive Sony Blu-ray, and yes, it does sample at 176k4 and cost a lot less than an Oppo. I tried it against the 105's analogue outs, and the 105 was clearly better, in my system
Syncytial.
I am sure the Oppo's D/A converter sounds better than an inexpensive Sony blu-ray player in any system. :lol:
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Given you're using an SP-3, it may well be that it outshines the Oppo - in fact I'd think it quite likely.
Conveniently, I happen to have an inexpensive Sony Blu-ray, and yes, it does sample at 176k4 and cost a lot less than an Oppo. I tried it against the 105's analogue outs, and the 105 was clearly better, in my system. All the more reason for me to look forward to adding the BDA-3. ;) (BTW, the Oppo I use for video was a dramatic improvement vs the Sony, which it replaced.)
Using SPDIF from the Oppo makes a lot of sense to me, and you're right, the upsample doesn't affect HDMI or USB signals, according to the manual. I'd also be using AES and USB.
I'll be very curious to see the TAS review, although I'm not a slave to reviews. Pops via HDMI are a bit disquieting... but perhaps an update to the Oppo or BDA-3 will address that.
Your other comments about system dependence and subjective assessment are spot on. :)
Syncytial.
The pops have been reduced quite a bit by having the latest firmware on the Bryston.
The issue is at the Oppo end and they aren't interested in addressing it. It comes from the other HDMI port and I think because I have a Sony Android TV the HDMI signal is always checking and dropping-this causes sometimes a delay in the audio HDMI port. How do I know? Because when I unplug the HDMI to my TV there is never an issue. It also does the strange thing if you put it onto Pure Audio on the Oppo-which cuts out all video circuitry-and puts the display off-the interface between my Sony TV/Oppo will actually put it back on again itself and eventually cause a pop. My previous Sony TV never did this so there is something about how the Oppo and my TV talk to each other. It's not a big issue now since I know how to solve it.
I sometimes hook up my good lady's Macbook to the Bryston to play MQA via Tidal as well.
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I sometimes hook up my good lady's Macbook to the Bryston to play MQA.....
So is MQA as good as it's raved to be?
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Hi!
Do you mean to say the Oppo's analog output sounds better than the Sony's analog output?
Cheers!
Antun
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While it's true that the Oppo analogue output sounds better than the inexpensive Sony's, the comparison was between the Sony's output via HDMI @ 176k4 vs the Oppo's analogue output, as I had already determined the Oppo's internal conversion was better than its downconverted bitstream over HDMI @ 88k2. I did not compare the Oppo HDMI (88k2) directly to the Sony HDMI (176k4). Oppo has stated that they chose 88k2 for better sound.
I have duplicate copies of some SACDs and was able to compare sync'd playback from the same transport via the internal DAC vs HDMI as well as switching between players. I also did some long-form listening.
The HDMI comparison is only valid in my system, with my current DAC. Introducing a BDA-3 could change the outcome. Audio quality with a BDA-3 would have to consider DSD over HDMI, downconverted PCM over HDMI,PCM over SPDIF, as well as the impact of the quality of the transport.
Syncytial.
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The pops have been reduced quite a bit by having the latest firmware on the Bryston.
The issue is at the Oppo end and they aren't interested in addressing it. It comes from the other HDMI port and I think because I have a Sony Android TV the HDMI signal is always checking and dropping-this causes sometimes a delay in the audio HDMI port. How do I know? Because when I unplug the HDMI to my TV there is never an issue. It also does the strange thing if you put it onto Pure Audio on the Oppo-which cuts out all video circuitry-and puts the display off-the interface between my Sony TV/Oppo will actually put it back on again itself and eventually cause a pop. My previous Sony TV never did this so there is something about how the Oppo and my TV talk to each other. It's not a big issue now since I know how to solve it.
I sometimes hook up my good lady's Macbook to the Bryston to play MQA via Tidal as well.
Ahhhh.... it's the horrors of HDMI, and the tendency for some manufacturers to poll the HDMI bus periodically even if the target device is "off" (which is really a "standby" state), which triggers a renegotiation. While that's undoubtedly frustrating, it can be managed and doesn't stem from a fundamental flaw in the BDA-3 or the Oppo in transporting DSD over HDMI. It could be a poor implementation in the Oppo, the Sony, or both. I assume you've disabled whatever Sony calls CEC etc. and checked to see if different HDMI inputs on the Sony require individual configuration or have different characteristics. Did I suggest HDMI is grossly flawed yet? ;)
Syncytial.
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In this Month's Issue of Absolute Sound Magazine
Bryston BDA-3 DAC
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166661)
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The pops have been reduced quite a bit by having the latest firmware on the Bryston.
The issue is at the Oppo end and they aren't interested in addressing it. It comes from the other HDMI port and I think because I have a Sony Android TV the HDMI signal is always checking and dropping-this causes sometimes a delay in the audio HDMI port. How do I know? Because when I unplug the HDMI to my TV there is never an issue. It also does the strange thing if you put it onto Pure Audio on the Oppo-which cuts out all video circuitry-and puts the display off-the interface between my Sony TV/Oppo will actually put it back on again itself and eventually cause a pop. My previous Sony TV never did this so there is something about how the Oppo and my TV talk to each other. It's not a big issue now since I know how to solve it.
I sometimes hook up my good lady's Macbook to the Bryston to play MQA via Tidal as well.
Maybe you did already check, and if so, never mind: In my Marantz there's an option to explicitly turn off this handshaking. Not exactly sure what its called, not at the machine at the moment, but it is indeed an option in the HDMI settings. Experienced the same behavior you mention, and switched that of. It even allowed separate settings for switching on and off.
What worries me is not the switching perse, though obnoxious it is, but the quality of playback it results in. I would really be annoyed to the max if I did decide to buy the BDA3 (obviously the best route to decode these HDMI/BD/SACD signals) and the Oppo 205 (the 'best' audiophile UHD player for the money including an extra nice DAC offering the extra in/outputs next to the BDA#) and finally experience these pops during HDMI playback without being able to do something about that. Horror.
Would hope someone on this board with both machines is able to comfort us on that aspect....
Cheers,
Marius
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Maybe you did already check, and if so, never mind: In my Marantz there's an option to explicitly turn off this handshaking. Not exactly sure what its called, not at the machine at the moment, but it is indeed an option in the HDMI settings. Experienced the same behavior you mention, and switched that of. It even allowed separate settings for switching on and off.
What worries me is not the switching perse, though obnoxious it is, but the quality of playback it results in. I would really be annoyed to the max if I did decide to buy the BDA3 (obviously the best route to decode these HDMI/BD/SACD signals) and the Oppo 205 (the 'best' audiophile UHD player for the money including an extra nice DAC offering the extra in/outputs next to the BDA#) and finally experience these pops during HDMI playback without being able to do something about that. Horror.
Would hope someone on this board with both machines is able to comfort us on that aspect....
Cheers,
Marius
Just to be clear I know how to solve the issue in my system -I don't get pops because I can stop it at source and by the way it causes drop outs in non-HDMI playback too because the switching interrupts the digital out.
It is also something very clearly related to the Oppo/Sony Android TV interface I never had this issue until I changed TV's-there are a few ways I can stop it.
Whether the 205 would repeat this issue is unknown I still haven't seen a single pairing of a 205 and a Bryston.
The set up of an Oppo due to it's incredible flexibility is a wee bit involved therefore when you add in a DAC and are using different inputs then that factor continues. But once you work your way round it you are set up and it's music time.
The HDMI interface is tricky-Bryston have been excellent in minimising naturally occurring pops because I know the change in firmware removed previous issues not related to my TV one.
Some degree of set up and troubleshooting has to be a given when you are wanting the versatility of the Oppo/Bryston virtually every existing music format can be used.
Today I have been listening to some Blu Ray audio and indeed SACD and have just been getting lost in the music. The only pop was a bit of Tears For Fears. :D
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Hi James,
I was able to confirm today that I have problems with my BDA-3 unit, it doesn't sound as it should... it sound shut-in, veiled, lacks bite and sparkle.
The bass is warm and overall sound is rhytmically slow and unengaging.
Mention: I upgraded also to the latest firmware (2016.05a) - that changes somehow the sound but a very little bit (thanks to Mike Pickett).
How was I able to prove it? I tested in the same system 3 BDA-3 dacs: my unit, a friend one and the dealer's.
I was able to identify clearly (and in front of the dealer) that different BDA-3 revisions sound different.
Still, my unit had the worst sound compared to the others, especially in the midrange.
Speaking about the other 2 units, which were supposed to be good and to sound the same, we still noticed differences, especially in the bass tightness and speed.
From all 3, the latest 2017 revision: well... that one has the "breath of fresh air" as the reviewers say... the best sounding.
So we have the same product model - the latest revision sounds a lot better. I might have a faulty unit...
What can I do now, as I am very unhappy about the situation, could my unit be replaced with the latest 2017 revision?
Dealer says it's difficult to prove that to Bryston...
Here is the picture of the 3 DACs tested.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166713)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166714)
Thanks.
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@soundmax
Which input did you test this on? USB, HDMI or SPDIF?
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Hi James,
I was able to confirm today that I have problems with my BDA-3 unit, it doesn't sound as it should... it sound shut-in, veiled, lacks bite and sparkle.
The bass is warm and overall sound is rhytmically slow and unengaging.
Mention: I upgraded also to the latest firmware (2016.05a) - that changes somehow the sound but a very little bit (thanks to Mike Pickett).
How was I able to prove it? I tested in the same system 3 BDA-3 dacs: my unit, a friend one and the dealer's.
I was able to identify clearly (and in front of the dealer) that different BDA-3 revisions sound different.
Still, my unit had the worst sound compared to the others, especially in the midrange.
Speaking about the other 2 units, which were supposed to be good and to sound the same, we still noticed differences, especially in the bass tightness and speed.
From all 3, the latest 2017 revision: well... that one has the "breath of fresh air" as the reviewers say... the best sounding.
So we have the same product model - the latest revision sounds a lot better. I might have a faulty unit...
What can I do now, as I am very unhappy about the situation, could my unit be replaced with the latest 2017 revision?
Dealer says it's difficult to prove that to Bryston...
Here is the picture of the 3 DACs tested.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166713)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166714)
Thanks.
I have never heard of this before - all our DACs measure the same. I would ask the dealer to swap the one you think sounds best with the unit you have.
james
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In this Month's Issue of Absolute Sound Magazine
Bryston BDA-3 DAC
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166661)
Hi Folks,
I have a PDF of the Absolute Sound Review on the BDA-3 DAC. The review was written about a year ago but is now published.
Favourite Quote:
"Bryston’s BDA-3 DAC surpasses the high-value performance standard set by the BDA-2, enables inexpensive HDMI- equipped disc players to function as premium source components, and adds exceptionally engaging DSD playback to its potent mix of virtues.
I’ve already purchased the review sample"
Email me if you want a copy - jamestanner@bryston.com
james
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I have never heard of this before - all our DACs measure the same. I would ask the dealer to swap the one you think sounds best with the unit you have.
james
Hi James,
Things are not so simple because the local dealer doesn't have any bda in stock and he has to order one that he has to pay by himself.
I think Byston should send a replacement for unit <old>to Avitech Austria and support the costs.
Could you contact them please? I would be happy to receive a newer than serial <new> which I found fine.
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Hi James,
Things are not so simple because the local dealer doesn't have any bda in stock and he has to order one that he has to pay by himself.
I think Byston should send a replacement for unit 000295 to Avitech Austria and support the costs.
Could you contact them please? I would be happy to receive a newer than serial 000509 which I found fine.
Ok speak to Avitech and have them contact Brian Russell. I not sure it will make a difference though.
james
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Has anyone tried one of the Cambridge Audio universals (752 or CXU) running DSD into the Bryston?
Any issues? My main concern with many players is: do they really output pure DSD
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So is MQA as good as it's raved to be?
Well I haven't extensively listened to a lot of albums but I tend to go with the opinion based on what I've heard it is very dependent on individual albums and that leads itself into a debate about what source was used.
I would say that for example Rumours by Fleetwood Mac on MQA might well be the best digital version I've heard but on a few others I wasn't noticing too much difference.
Worth noting the BDA-3 isn't totally unfolding the track either.
I remain neutral about the format I get the criticisms but i remain open minded on whether it can be superior.
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Hi James,
Things are not so simple because the local dealer doesn't have any bda in stock and he has to order one that he has to pay by himself.
I think Byston should send a replacement for unit 000295 to Avitech Austria and support the costs.
Could you contact them please? I would be happy to receive a newer than serial 000509 which I found fine.
I have serial 000136.
Has there been any changes to the Bda3, except for firmware upgrades?
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I have serial 000136.
Has there been any changes to the Bda3, except for firmware upgrades?
None.
james
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Good to hear.
Mine is certainly not veiled or shut in, rather the opposite.
But overall the Bda1 is not far behind, Im gonna keep it forever, a classic :thumb:
What does the new firmware do, Im on u2015.12a.
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But overall the Bda1 is not far behind, Im gonna keep it forever, a classic :thumb:
:thumb: :thumb: Plus the BDA-1 has a pair each of both BNC and SPDIF. Great for multiple sources, unlike the BDA-3 which lost one of each. :duh:
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:thumb: :thumb: Plus the BDA-1 has a pair each of both BNC and SPDIF. Great for multiple sources, unlike the BDA-3 which lost one of each. :duh:
Jup, even though I only use one :green:
How do we update fw on BDA3? I get "file not found".
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HI James,
Is there any chance you will produce a BDA3+ which will have the lost SPDIF and Toslink back? Adding the 4 HDMI ports is wonderful , but losing the important SPDIF/Toslink is rather a crucial letdown to be honest.
We might be able to replace the Toslink the HDMI connection but as you yourself have always stated, the HDMI is possibly prone to serious jitter, thus the SPDIF inputs were always preferred. A BDA3 with these inputs reinstated would be a no-brainer.
Other question about HDMI jitter: Oppo state they have solved this by means of a dedicated clock/circuit http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-udp-205/ (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=167035)
Is the BDA3 also immunized for this HDMI jitter in a comparable, maybe even better way?
Cheers,
Marius
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Anyone else having a problem with the BDA-3 not turning on from front button when it has not been used for a few days? I have to unplug from back and plug again for it to start. Will also not allow me to update firmware.
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Anyone else having a problem with the BDA-3 not turning on from front button when it has not been used for a few days? I have to unplug from back and plug again for it to start. Will also not allow me to update firmware.
Hi
Email Mike on this please - mpickett@bryston.com
james
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Hi
Email Mike on this please - mpickett@bryston.com
james
Thanks James. I have but have not heard back. I mentioned that I was passing by Bryston next week and was wondering if I can drop it off to be reloaded and checked. I have had an issue updating the firmware but I worked around it the past year.
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Thanks James. I have but have not heard back. I mentioned that I was passing by Bryston next week and was wondering if I can drop it off to be reloaded and checked. I have had an issue updating the firmware but I worked around it the past year.
Sure no problem at all.
james
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http://www.10audio.com/bryston_bda-3.htm
james
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Sure no problem at all.
james
Thank you. I will drop it off next Monday.
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Can I get the latest firmware on email?
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Can I get the latest firmware on email?
Email Mike - mpickett@bryston.com
james
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Anyone else having a problem with the BDA-3 not turning on from front button when it has not been used for a few days? I have to unplug from back and plug again for it to start. Will also not allow me to update firmware.
I had the same problem. To what input is your BDA set when you turn it on? Numerous BDA-1, -2 and -3 machines have been plagued by this problem, I have read about it and did extensive tests on my machine but was never able to prove anything because the problem would not always occur under the same conditions.
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^ My BDA-1 has no such power on/off problem after 5 years and counting....
Not sure what's going on, but will be interested to find out in case it should happen.... :scratch:
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Hi Folks
I have seen this turn-on issue before in early versions of the software on the BDA3 but I have not seen this in a long time.
I’m not aware of either the BDA1 or 2 having this problem, they are completely different platforms.
james
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Hi Folks
I have seen this turn-on issue before in early versions of the software on the BDA3 but I have not seen this in a long time.
I’m not aware of either the BDA1 or 2 having this problem, they are completely different platforms.
james
All units sold in Norway needed firmware upgrades because of this problem, they work fine after upgrade.
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Very early BDA3 units may need a software upgrade, in addition the more recent software eliminates sound artifacts when switching between DSD and PCM formats. The latest production software version should read 2016.05a (it can be displayed using a web GUI). However, the old units need to run a special firmware to update the PLD chip in addition to the main control software. That special PLD firmware is contained in file BDA3_2016_11p.bin which is otherwise equivalent to the current production software 2016.05a. The bin file is available from Bryston. Specifically for BDA3 software updates, please email sbleszynski@bryston.com and put "BDA3 'serial number' firmware" in the subject line.
Stan
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I had the same problem. To what input is your BDA set when you turn it on? Numerous BDA-1, -2 and -3 machines have been plagued by this problem, I have read about it and did extensive tests on my machine but was never able to prove anything because the problem would not always occur under the same conditions.
I usually have it on USB1. I think I am number 136 so I think it is a fairly early model.
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Very early BDA3 units may need a software upgrade, in addition the more recent software eliminates sound artifacts when switching between DSD and PCM formats. The latest production software version should read 2016.05a (it can be displayed using a web GUI). However, the old units need to run a special firmware to update the PLD chip in addition to the main control software. That special PLD firmware is contained in file BDA3_2016_11p.bin which is otherwise equivalent to the current production software 2016.05a. The bin file is available from Bryston. Specifically for BDA3 software updates, please email sbleszynski@bryston.com and put "BDA3 'serial number' firmware" in the subject line.
Stan
Hi Stan
Just sent you an email. I don't mind trying to reinstall before bringing it in.
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HI James,
please have a look, could you post your advice to these questions?
Thanks,
Marius
HI James,
Is there any chance you will produce a BDA3+ which will have the lost SPDIF and Toslink back? Adding the 4 HDMI ports is wonderful , but losing the important SPDIF/Toslink is rather a crucial letdown to be honest.
We might be able to replace the Toslink the HDMI connection but as you yourself have always stated, the HDMI is possibly prone to serious jitter, thus the SPDIF inputs were always preferred. A BDA3 with these inputs reinstated would be a no-brainer.
Other question about HDMI jitter: Oppo state they have solved this by means of a dedicated clock/circuit http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-udp-205/ (http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-udp-205/) (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=167035)
Is the BDA3 also immunized for this HDMI jitter in a comparable, maybe even better way?
Cheers,
Marius
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Hi Marius,
Fron Engineering:
“We also use a high-stability, high precision HDMI clock and a special HDMI audio jitter reduction circuit. “
That statement has very little meaning.
HDMI inherently has pretty high jitter, we reduce it but it is still higher than SPDIF or USB inputs.
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Thanks James,
honest and straightforward, that's why i love Bryston :thumb:
Otoh, the statement from engineering is just about the same as Oppo's ... A dedicated HDMI clock/circuit is used. I gather these to be just as up to their task as can be. Is there any chance engineering could elaborate on that dedicated circuit a bit more? Would it be comparable to the synchronous/asynchronous implementation of USB connections?
Your remark about the HDMI jitter being inherently higher than SPDIF and usb was the reason I was rather disappointed about losing these extra inputs on the BDA3 in the first place, and kept me from upgrading my BDA1 up to now in the second. Hence my other question if Bryston would be considering a BDA3+ with these lost inputs reinstated? Any such considerations being made James?
Also, would i be right in ordering digital connections from a jitter perspective like so: HDMI, optical, Spdif, USB? left most to right least? Or would Optical and HDMI be rather comparable?
Thanks again,
Marius
Hi Marius,
Fron Engineering:
“We also use a high-stability, high precision HDMI clock and a special HDMI audio jitter reduction circuit. “
That statement has very little meaning.
HDMI inherently has pretty high jitter, we reduce it but it is still higher than SPDIF or USB inputs.
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Thanks James,
honest and straightforward, that's why i love Bryston :thumb:
Otoh, the statement from engineering is just about the same as Oppo's ... A dedicated HDMI clock/circuit is used. I gather these to be just as up to their task as can be. Is there any chance engineering could elaborate on that dedicated circuit a bit more? Would it be comparable to the synchronous/asynchronous implementation of USB connections?
Your remark about the HDMI jitter being inherently higher than SPDIF and usb was the reason I was rather disappointed about losing these extra inputs on the BDA3 in the first place, and kept me from upgrading my BDA1 up to now in the second. Hence my other question if Bryston would be considering a BDA3+ with these lost inputs reinstated? Any such considerations being made James?
Also, would i be right in ordering digital connections from a jitter perspective like so: HDMI, optical, Spdif, USB? left most to right least? Or would Optical and HDMI be rather comparable?
Thanks again,
Marius
I have been interested in the 205 for the same reason to see if it would be better than the 105-in this hobby you always look for better and it's easy to be seduced by the notion of better.
However as I recall from memory possibly the area that struck me as most improved on the BDA-3 was actually SACD through HDMI. However even if that is not 100% correct there is no aspect of swapping inputs (and I do a fair bit) that would indicate the existing jitter is in any way noticeable. Though that's not to say you wouldn't hear a difference between the 105 and the 205. I still await the first person to have tried the combo.
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Hi James,
I have few questions for you if I may.
1 Is the built-in DAC of the SP3 good enough voor the BDP-3 or is the BDA-3 a (much) better choice?
2 Is it okay to place a BDP-3 on the BDA-3 or can I expect heath problems?
Thanks,
Willy
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I have been interested in the 205 for the same reason to see if it would be better than the 105-in this hobby you always look for better and it's easy to be seduced by the notion of better.
However as I recall from memory possibly the area that struck me as most improved on the BDA-3 was actually SACD through HDMI. However even if that is not 100% correct there is no aspect of swapping inputs (and I do a fair bit) that would indicate the existing jitter is in any way noticeable. Though that's not to say you wouldn't hear a difference between the 105 and the 205. I still await the first person to have tried the combo.
Thanks,
Noticeable or not, it is what Bryston has always stated. HDMI is inferior to SPDIF. I took and still take that for my audiophile truth. It's also the reason for my big question: why did Bryston take out these better inputs (which btw make the BDA's standout from the crowd) and replace them with 4 inferior HDMI inputs.
Its a bit like shifting the 4 HDMI ports on just about any modern TV to the BDA :scratch: and giving up on the 'audiophile' SPDIF. Of course it's done the Bryston way, top notch, but still. I for one would love these SPDifs reinstated on a BDA-3+.
Hope James will answer my question in this regard.
Cheers,
Marius
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Once Bryston restores a BNC and an SDIF RCA jack, I will get a BDA-4.
Until then, BDA-1 is still King of the Roost here at home. :thumb:
Love the BNC (and AES for my BDP).
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Hi James,
I have few questions for you if I may.
1 Is the built-in DAC of the SP3 good enough voor the BDP-3 or is the BDA-3 a (much) better choice?
2 Is it okay to place a BDP-3 on the BDA-3 or can I expect heath problems?
Thanks,
Willy
Hi Willy
The DAC in the SP3 is a great DAC but it is designed for multichannel sound more so than stereo so I will give the nod to the BDA3 as our premium DAC if stereo digital state of the art is the major playback situation.
The BDA 3 will run hotter than the BDA3 so if you have the choice put the BDP on top of the BDA.
james
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Thanks,
Noticeable or not, it is what Bryston has always stated. HDMI is inferior to SPDIF. I took and still take that for my audiophile truth. It's also the reason for my big question: why did Bryston take out these better inputs (which btw make the BDA's standout from the crowd) and replace them with 4 inferior HDMI inputs.
Its a bit like shifting the 4 HDMI ports on just about any modern TV to the BDA :scratch: and giving up on the 'audiophile' SPDIF. Of course it's done the Bryston way, top notch, but still. I for one would love these SPDifs reinstated on a BDA-3+.
Hope James will answer my question in this regard.
Cheers,
Marius
Hi Marius,
Sadly the number of audiophiles out there interested in a quality DAC is very limited and the HDMI was requested by a number of our dealers as they felt it would make the BDA3 much more appealing to a larger audience not to mention very few DACs actually can do high quality HDMI playback at all.
Also remember we are talking about very small numbers anyway so many feel these issues are below the threshold of hearing.
james
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Appreciated James, I follow what your saying.
Sadly though I feel Bryston has made their Dac more mainstream than industry leading. And even if that wouldn’t be important, which is indeed up for discussion , it simply has lost half of the necessary inputs...as said , the 4 hdmi’s can simply be routed over any somewhat modern tv ( been doing that ever since you’ve released the Bda1). The Spdifs are gone and can not be replaced :duh:
Anyway, hope most fervently your next Dac will have these superior Spdif inputs reinstated.
Cheers
Marius
Hi Marius,
Sadly the number of audiophiles out there interested in a quality DAC is very limited and the HDMI was requested by a number of our dealers as they felt it would make the BDA3 much more appealing to a larger audience not to mention very few DACs actually can do high quality HDMI playback at all.
Also remember we are talking about very small numbers anyway so many feel these issues are below the threshold of hearing.
james
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Thanks,
Noticeable or not, it is what Bryston has always stated. HDMI is inferior to SPDIF. I took and still take that for my audiophile truth. It's also the reason for my big question: why did Bryston take out these better inputs (which btw make the BDA's standout from the crowd) and replace them with 4 inferior HDMI inputs.
Its a bit like shifting the 4 HDMI ports on just about any modern TV to the BDA :scratch: and giving up on the 'audiophile' SPDIF. Of course it's done the Bryston way, top notch, but still. I for one would love these SPDifs reinstated on a BDA-3+.
Hope James will answer my question in this regard.
Cheers,
Marius
I will confess I struggle a bit with your posts sometimes it's as if you have a BDA-3 and other times it seems you don't.
I will agree 4 HDMI inputs is overkill. However there are 2 SPDIF inputs and overall the DAC caters for just about any input you require. It can't of course cover every eventuality for every person.
But the fact remains the HDMI capability of the BDA-3 is an unique and very tempting proposition for those who want to utilise taking SACD and Blu Ray Audio stereo replay at a higher quality than most universal players can deliver within cost context. That's the appeal and it delivers and I think you only need to the BDA-3 taking in a signal from HDMI and delivering wonderful stereo.
Have you compared the two inputs?
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Appreciated James, I follow what your saying.
Sadly though I feel Bryston has made their Dac more mainstream than industry leading. And even if that wouldn’t be important, which is indeed up for discussion , it simply has lost half of the necessary inputs...as said , the 4 hdmi’s can simply be routed over any somewhat modern tv ( been doing that ever since you’ve released the Bda1). The Spdifs are gone and can not be replaced :duh:
Anyway, hope most fervently your next Dac will have these superior Spdif inputs reinstated.
Cheers
Marius
It's actually a DAC designed for Audiophiles who use all the available digital formats. It couldn't be any less mainstream unless SACD and Blu Ray Audio are mainstream. I think you are looking through the telescope the wrong way. You haven't lost anything you've gained something and as James has stated-this is their audiophile flagship DAC.
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I will confess I struggle a bit with your posts sometimes it's as if you have a BDA-3 and other times it seems you don't.
I will agree 4 HDMI inputs is overkill. However there are 2 SPDIF inputs and overall the DAC caters for just about any input you require. It can't of course cover every eventuality for every person.
But the fact remains the HDMI capability of the BDA-3 is an unique and very tempting proposition for those who want to utilise taking SACD and Blu Ray Audio stereo replay at a higher quality than most universal players can deliver within cost context. That's the appeal and it delivers and I think you only need to the BDA-3 taking in a signal from HDMI and delivering wonderful stereo.
Have you compared the two inputs?
HI BSC,
NO i don't have a BDA3, im tempted, but need the SPDIfs, and to a lesser extent the extra optical, the BDA1 offers, and the BDA3 has lost. Hence my question whether an upgraded BDA3+ is to be expected.
Im not stating the 4 HDMI ports are overkill. In fact, i have all 4 of them connected and used frequently in my setup. And route them to my BDA1's optical input. It's more that i need the lost SPDIF (and optical) inputs.
HDMI isn't unique, though very nice indeed. Probably much better and more convenient than the hassle of my currently tested HDMI deembedder. Still, it gets the job done.
Please don't start about the cost object, since Bryston always is on the rather expensive side of things.. The Oppo 205 costs about half the BDA3, and gets one a superior Universal disc spinner included. The de-embedder costs 60 euro/$.
Havent had the BDA3 here, hope to have anytime soon. I'd compare the 2 DAC's on SPDIF firstly though. Of course the de-embedding would be second.
But since SACD/BD audio is kind of a niche product, i can't help but wondering why such a superior design would be changed for just a handful of bd owners like myself. It must have been the mainstream HDMI found on just about any video device that triggered the design decision. Larger audience is what it boils down to. Probably healthy thinking.
Maybe someday the 2 shall meet.
Cheers,
Marius
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HI BSC,
NO i don't have a BDA3, im tempted, but need the SPDIfs, and to a lesser extent the extra optical, the BDA1 offers, and the BDA3 has lost. Hence my question whether an upgraded BDA3+ is to be expected.
Im not stating the 4 HDMI ports are overkill. In fact, i have all 4 of them connected and used frequently in my setup. And route them to my BDA1's optical input. It's more that i need the lost SPDIF (and optical) inputs.
HDMI isn't unique, though very nice indeed. Probably much better and more convenient than the hassle of my currently tested HDMI deembedder. Still, it gets the job done.
Please don't start about the cost object, since Bryston always is on the rather expensive side of things.. The Oppo 205 costs about half the BDA3, and gets one a superior Universal disc spinner included. The de-embedder costs 60 euro/$.
Havent had the BDA3 here, hope to have anytime soon. I'd compare the 2 DAC's on SPDIF firstly though. Of course the de-embedding would be second.
But since SACD/BD audio is kind of a niche product, i can't help but wondering why such a superior design would be changed for just a handful of bd owners like myself. It must have been the mainstream HDMI found on just about any video device that triggered the design decision. Larger audience is what it boils down to. Probably healthy thinking.
Maybe someday the 2 shall meet.
Cheers,
Marius
So being an audiophile isn't niche? You complain the BDA-3 is mainstream then suggest that SACD and Blu Ray Audio are niche. Seems a bit confused to me.
If you are serious about the capabilities of the BDA-3 I would say the universal aspect is a big part of things although "normal" stereo replay on the BDA-3 should blow you away. I have read but obviously can't confirm the Oppo 205 isn't a noticeably better stereo machine than the 105-has led to some returns etc.
The BDA-3 stereo replay in my system eclipses the Oppo 105-a big step up.
I don't really see why anyone who wasn't an audiophile would go for a BDA-3 for me it took universal replay to a much higher level without getting into the absolutely big money players-that's what I would guess it's appeal and I think James is alluding to advice in the context of competing in a very tight market....for audiophiles.
Mainstream isn't going to pay $3.5K for a DAC and it's even more expensive here in the UK.
The only solution is to audition the DAC.
But out of interest I am going to play some CD's through the HDMI input of my BDA-3 and compare them to SPDIF and give you my findings.
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audiophile versus mainstream, we shouldn't be bothered maybe. What's in these words after all. Just want best of both worlds, the extra HDMI's and the former inputs. Made by Bryston.
Don't have the BDA3, but eclipsing the BDA1 would be unexpected. Evolutional as James says most of the time. Very tempting indeed though.
Thanks for the comparing bit, love to hear your findings.
sound quality wouldn't be my main driver for an upgrade here, functionality would. HDMI, DSD, USB 2. CD's would still be played on my BCD-1, never heard it bettered yet. (didnt hear the BCD 3 of course..)
Cheers,
Marius
So being an audiophile isn't niche? You complain the BDA-3 is mainstream then suggest that SACD and Blu Ray Audio are niche. Seems a bit confused to me.
If you are serious about the capabilities of the BDA-3 I would say the universal aspect is a big part of things although "normal" stereo replay on the BDA-3 should blow you away. I have read but obviously can't confirm the Oppo 205 isn't a noticeably better stereo machine than the 105-has led to some returns etc.
The BDA-3 stereo replay in my system eclipses the Oppo 105-a big step up.
I don't really see why anyone who wasn't an audiophile would go for a BDA-3 for me it took universal replay to a much higher level without getting into the absolutely big money players-that's what I would guess it's appeal and I think James is alluding to advice in the context of competing in a very tight market....for audiophiles.
Mainstream isn't going to pay $3.5K for a DAC and it's even more expensive here in the UK.
The only solution is to audition the DAC.
But out of interest I am going to play some CD's through the HDMI input of my BDA-3 and compare them to SPDIF and give you my findings.
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I don't have a BDA-3 (yet!)...however, I'm in favour of keeping the HDMI inputs because of the convenience, even if it is more jittery. You still benefit from BDA-3. I initially thought maybe I could trade 1 or 2 HDMI for other inputs, but then actually counted my devices and 4 seems decent. Don't need any fewer....PS3, Apple TV, dedicated Blu ray or media player, IPTV. That's 4 right there.
On the other hand, I personally don't need coaxial. In fact, I have more use for optical even. Majority of the common day to day devices use either optical or HDMI. Coaxial not so much. For high-end fidelity gear like the BDP or BCD, I would go with AES if needed. Coaxial isn't needed that much.
On the other hand, another AES would have been solid. Double USB input is also welcomed.
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Hi Folks,
In order of which connection is the best for inherent low jitter:
USB - best, then COAX (BNC or RCA), then Optical, then HDMI
james
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George Cardas, who used to work in the signal transmission industry, astutely pointed out that the main problem with optical signals is that the light signal still needs to be converted back to an electrical one (electrons) at the source (DAC usually). That extra step, at least in audio apps, is fatal if one is a purist and desires minimal jitter. Not surprisingly, it is inferior to coax and USB.
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George Cardas, who used to work in the signal transmission industry, astutely pointed out that the main problem with optical signals is that the light signal still needs to be converted back to an electrical one (electrons) at the source (DAC usually). That extra step, at least in audio apps, is fatal if one is a purist and desires minimal jitter. Not surprisingly, it is inferior to coax and USB.
Hi
Actually with Optical there are 2 conversions - one from the sending unit and one at the receiving unit. One advantage of Optical is it will eliminate any grounding problems.
james
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Hi
Actually with Optical there are 2 conversions - one from the sending unit and one at the receiving unit. One advantage of Optical is it will eliminate any grounding problems.
james
I stand corrected, thank you.
I would think that AES and coax have minimal grounding issues in a well designed system. But the added jitter that extra conversion steps will likely introduce is a killer.
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So where does the AES fall on that list?
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So where does the AES fall on that list?
AES is a COAX connection.
james
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AES is a COAX connection.
While S/PDIF is the consumer version of AES-EBU, the AES3 XLR connection uses a 110Ω shielded twisted pair cable rather than a coaxial cable as in electrical S/PDIF.
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Good reading for a lazy summer day on an Ontario beach :green:
http://www.audiosystemsgroup.com/TransLines.pdf
AES sounds great on my BDP-BDA connection. :thumb:
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Already answered. aes/ebu = coax
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Already answered. aes/ebu = coax
Yeah, we can read that.
The document goes further by trying to explain which type of cable is better suited for certain applications, in audio as well as video arenas.
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I stand corrected, thank you.
I would think that AES and coax have minimal grounding issues in a well designed system. But the added jitter that extra conversion steps will likely introduce is a killer.
Still, HDMI is even worse. Of which the Bda3 adds 4, replacing the better spdif and optical inputs..;/)
of course it also adds an extra superior USB ! Must organize an audition soon!
Cheers Marius
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As far as I know, Bryston is using a standard HDMI switching board. It might be custom-made to their specification though but the receiver hardware is the same nonetheless. These are usually 4 input boards so that's why you have 4 HDMI inputs on the BDA-3.
I agree that BDA-3 has too few S/PDIF inputs.
As for theoretical advantages and disadvantages of different digital interfaces, their performance is highly dependent on implementation. I should also point out that optocal systems should have the best possible digital transmission but as you know, this is not always the case. Many, many years ago, Denon invested in a technology they called "optical class A". It brought the company to it's knees because it took so many years and extraordinary resources, both technical and financial, to develop it. Finally, the technology along with all the patents were sold to AT&T to save the company from going under. This is what allowed AT&T to grow so much. But that's a story for some other time.
Not all opto input receivers are created equally to say the least. Bryston is using some very fine ones. They lock immediately onto the incoming signal, they tolerate all kinds of optical cables and measured jitter is almost as low as on it's coaxial inputs. It doesn't get much better than that so there is no reason why they shouldn't be used. In all honesty, with digital TV boxes that providers usually give you, you are way better off with optical connection because when those things fail (and that is almost a certainty), you're avoiding the risk of damaging the input receiver of the DAC which would otherwise occur with coaxial connection. It has been known to happen and there are several posts about it on AC alone.
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Hi Folks,
In order of which connection is the best for inherent low jitter:
USB - best, then COAX (BNC or RCA), then Optical, then HDMI
james
Hi James. I understand certain manufacturers use HS-LINK ver. 2 to connect SACD transport to the DAC transmitting both clock and data signals via RJ-45. Where does this rank?
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Hi James. I understand certain manufacturers use HS-LINK ver. 2 to connect SACD transport to the DAC transmitting both clock and data signals via RJ-45. Where does this rank?
Sorry that's over my head - I will ask engineering.
james
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Hi James I would like to ask you a question and it is if you can change the voltage to the BDA-3 as I can buy it in Canada and it has 120 volts and the voltage of Europe is 220 volts, I hope your answer,
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Hi James I would like to ask you a question and it is if you can change the voltage to the BDA-3 as I can buy it in Canada and it has 120 volts and the voltage of Europe is 220 volts, I hope your answer,
No I am sorry we use specialized transformers for 100, 120, 230,and 240 Volt and 50 or 60Hz for each specific market.
james
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If that was the case why would you implement a transformer with double primary windings together with a layout for switching voltages?
This can easily be seen on the pictures below, six primary windings that facilitates voltages from 100 to 240v.
(https://stereolife.pl/images/testy/brystonbda3/w/BrystonBDA3-03w.jpg)
(https://www.stereolife.pl/images/testy/brystonbda3/BrystonBDA3-08.jpg)
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Hi
Engineering tells me the transformer can be configured but there are other parts changes (resistors etc.) that have to be changed as well for different power applications.
james
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I was not talking about resistors, I was talking about the transformers and you said that you use "specialized transformers for 100, 120, 230,and 240 Volt and 50 or 60Hz for each specific market". This doesn't seem to be the case and is something one would expect considering the relative low production volumes. The Bryston products I have personally check are all very easy to convert (sometimes a new mains switch is required etc. but no big deal).
I have converted a couple of Pass amplifiers back in the days, also dead simple.
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I was not talking about resistors, I was talking about the transformers and you said that you use "specialized transformers for 100, 120, 230,and 240 Volt and 50 or 60Hz for each specific market". This doesn't seem to be the case and is something one would expect considering the relative low production volumes. The Bryston products I have personally check are all very easy to convert (sometimes a new mains switch is required etc. but no big deal).
I have converted a couple of Pass amplifiers back in the days, also dead simple.
Ok thats fine if you feel confident doing that but it is not something I can recommend. There are so many safety and certifications required these days that even making a small alteration to a certified product is frowned upon by the agencies involved.
james
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I fully agree! :)
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Anybody who has been dealing with buying high end knows the context of buying products from abroad. Almost always there is a huge price difference from say buying an American product from America than buying it from a dealer in the UK via official means. That leads to problems not least for suppliers and dealers who want to keep the profit chain intact. It's tricky and as such a lot of companies try to protect the system by ensuring that it is not easy and any conversion is done on legitimate terms-I had a friend who imported a Krell amp here in the UK but found it wouldn't work even with a transformer-the internal software looked for the correct frequency before it would run-he ended up having to pay a Krell dealer to get it to work.
Coming on and asking the manufacturer a question as blatant as just has been asked it's a tad naughty as the person well knows.
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Anybody who has been dealing with buying high end knows the context of buying products from abroad. Almost always there is a huge pricer to get it to work.
Coming on and asking the manufacturer a question as blatant as just has been asked it's a tad naughty as the person well knows.
Its enough to make a manufacturer representative not to want to participate in these forums. :(
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Forgive me if this has been asked before.
It's not a complaint, just a question.
Bryston's amps (and I believe their speakers too) have a 20 year warranty, amazing
Digital products are 5 years.
I can understand the shorter warranty with CD players, they are mechanical devices with drives and/or lasers than can wear out or become obsolete.
But that's not the case with DACs yet they they have the same 5 year warranty.
What is the reason for that?
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Forgive me if this has been asked before.
It's not a complaint, just a question.
Bryston's amps (and I believe their speakers too) have a 20 year warranty, amazing
Digital products are 5 years.
I can understand the shorter warranty with CD players, they are mechanical devices with drives and/or lasers than can wear out or become obsolete.
But that's not the case with DACs yet they they have the same 5 year warranty.
What is the reason for that?
Hi Rang
Its just because Digital chips and parts change so much and very quickly over time that we had concerns that certain parts would no longer be available in the long term. So we had to put a reasonable time frame on our ability to service a specific product.
With the analog amplifiers most of the parts if they do change can be retro fitted easily with newer parts so long term repair is more doable.
With speakers we manufacture all our own drivers, crossovers and cabinets so the ability to offer long warranties is possible because we can control the quality of every part and can retrofit long term.
Hope this helps.
james
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Hi Rang
Its just because Digital chips and parts change so much and very quickly over time that we had concerns that certain parts would no longer be available in the long term. So we had to put a reasonable time frame on our ability to service a specific product.
Hope this helps.
james
So if a chip or any other part in my 5+ yr-old BDA-1 fails , and the exact part is no longer available, what would be Bryston's solution when I send it in to factory? Would I get any replacement parts installed?
Thanks.
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So if a chip or any other part in my 5+ yr-old BDA-1 fails , and the exact part is no longer available, what would be Bryston's solution when I send it in to factory? Would I get any replacement parts installed?
Thanks.
Hi
It would have to be dealt with at the time based on what parts were available.
Fortunately we have been building digital products for a while now and so far making sure we choose quality parts in the design stages has the benefit of long term reliability.
james
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Thanks James, that does help and makes sense.
If a drive/laser by Sony or Philips or whomever becomes obsolete a chip can do the same.
I get that it would be easier to sub in a different cap or something in an amp rather than a chip the whole unit is designed around.
There are stories out there about some manufacturers keeping a spare laser for every player they produce, just in case (who knows if this is actually true)
Do you keep a healthy inventory of these types of part, for the future?
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Thanks James, that does help and makes sense.
If a drive/laser by Sony or Philips or whomever becomes obsolete a chip can do the same.
I get that it would be easier to sub in a different cap or something in an amp rather than a chip the whole unit is designed around.
There are stories out there about some manufacturers keeping a spare laser for every player they produce, just in case (who knows if this is actually true)
Do you keep a healthy inventory of these types of part, for the future?
Hi
We certainly try and also we look at when new chips come out are they 'pin to pin' compatible - which makes repair or replacement much easier to manage.
james
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There are stories out there about some manufacturers keeping a spare laser for every player they produce, just in case (who knows if this is actually true)
Do you keep a healthy inventory of these types of part, for the future?
While I can't speak on Brystons behalf, I would assume they likely have random parts leftover from old production runs shuffling around in boxes somewhere. But there's no guarantee that the part that you need is something that they happen to have sitting on the shelf.
Having worked briefly in some manufacturing sectors before, I can tell you that trying to maintain inventory is complicated and expensive. It's enough work just to keep up with your current products... but trying to keep stock of all the discontinued stuff? Not only is that more inventory to keep track of, but now you're taking up storage space and increasing overhead costs. After a certain point, a manufacturer must draw the line on what they're keeping around.
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While I can't speak on Brystons behalf, I would assume they likely have random parts leftover from old production runs shuffling around in boxes somewhere. But there's no guarantee that the part that you need is something that they happen to have sitting on the shelf.
Having worked briefly in some manufacturing sectors before, I can tell you that trying to maintain inventory is complicated and expensive. It's enough work just to keep up with your current products... but trying to keep stock of all the discontinued stuff? Not only is that more inventory to keep track of, but now you're taking up storage space and increasing overhead costs. After a certain point, a manufacturer must draw the line on what they're keeping around.
I work in the fire alarm business and we're facing the same dilemma all the time.
How long do you keep old parts (with the resulting financial implications) vs saying "obsolete" and convincing/forcing the customer to upgrade to new
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I worked for an avionics company that had a 20 year support guarantee from time of purchase, they had to do lifetime buys when the components used went obsolete. Obviously this was built into the price, but the cost of going through an FAA qualification far exceeded the storage cost of those lifetime buy. Rumor in the office they repaired a box with a bullet hole for no charge.... I have a hard time believing that one, but knowing that company they would have repaired it.
I do like festool's approach, they have a ten year replacement part guarantee from when they stopped selling that model number. I wish more manufactures would adopt that practice, maybe for at least 5 years.
Jim
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Hi James,
I have now compared BDA-3 DAC and my 6-yr old BDA-1 DAC, at home. AES only.
I never imagined this -- my BDA-1 is veiled. After all these years, the added transparency and improved stage on BDA-3 have revealed my BDA-1 to be quite warm. One track was all I needed: Patricia Barber's Nardis, as a CD Rip in FLAC, played on my BDP-2 thru AES. The percussion and sheen of the metallic drum kit were much more present than with BDA-1.Also played other tracks, like Rudolf Serkin (piano) on Beethoven's Choral Fantasy 9Bernstein/NY Phil) -- there was a moment when a stool creaked on the left channel, very subtle, but audible on BDA-3 -- veiled on BDA-1.
I swear, one of the elves at Bryston must have installed a tube somewhere inside my BDA-1 as a prank!
Also, could you give me the names of the engineers who designed this BDA-3? I want to mention them on my audio website!
Well done!
Pete
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Hi Pete
The engineer who designed the BDA-3 is Dan Marynissen
james
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http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-bda-3-dac/
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James,
When's your promotion?
I will endorse it :thumb:
CM
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Yet another reviewer buys the sample.
Have any of these things ever come back from a review? ;)
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Quote from equipment report by Karl Schuster in TAS:
"As I continued comparing the BDA-3 and BDA-2 with familiar recordings, it became clear that the newer design rendered instrumental timbres with more substantive physical presence. Every instrument simply exhibited fuller, weightier solidity, independent of the frequency range covered. I suspect that this fundamental shift in tonal perspective may be due to a change in the type of digital filter that Bryston has chosen for the BDA-3 relative to the company’s prior digital offerings. This advancement manifested itself spatially, as well, with instruments and singers more fleshed-out both tonally and dimensionally."
If the assessment that I marked with underscore and typeface bold in the quote is correct, is it possible to upgrade the BDA-2 firmware with the new type of digital filter currently used in the BDA-3?
Although I am content with the SQ of the BDA-2, it is always interesting to benefit from latest research developments of Bryston!
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I'm sure that James will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the digital filters used in the BDA-3 are native to the newer AKM DAC being used and could therefore not be retrofitted to the BDA-2 via a firmware update.
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Congrats on fantastic review of BDA3 :thumb:
Do you know when the remote for the BDA3 is ready?
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Congrats on fantastic review of BDA3 :thumb:
Do you know when the remote for the BDA3 is ready?
Hi
I believe BR2 remote will work with the BDA3.
james
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Hi
I believe BR2 remote will work with the BDA3.
james
But not for Hdmi inputs.
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David Quigley
Love this DAC. Connected HDMI (Audio Only) to it from an Oppo UDP-205. SACD bitstreams DSD straight to the BDA-3.
It even converts DTS-HD to Stereo for movies
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Foxx Artizan Delaney
Artizan Audio GmBH recommends this as one of the top DACs on the market today,unbeatable at the price point
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Hi James;
Just wanted to update you on how happy I am with the BDA3.
The DAC has many great qualities that enhance listening enjoyment, many of which have been discussed in reviews. It also easily reveals the natural dynamics in good recordings, and by dynamics I'm thinking of both micro dynamics and overall dynamic range.
Dynamic range makes for good demos, but micro dynamics makes for a more believable musical experience, and brings the listening experience closer to "live", in my opinion.
I'm very much starting to believe that this "dynamic transparency" is typical of recent generations of Bryston gear . . . maybe even a hallmark . . .
Cheers
Brian
Matrix Theaters
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Still wondering if anyone has tried the Oppo 205 with the BDA-3?
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Hi Folks
Received my Bryston BDA-3 DAC.
First impressions are better that I expected.
There is a noticeable difference in sound. More detail but less harshness (the harshness that I did not know was there) Instruments sounds more natural. The bass is more tuneful. Another good thing is it was very easy to setup. Plugged the HDMI 2 out on my OPPO 105D to the first HDMI input of Bryston. A few adjustments in OPPO settings and it worked flawlessly locking into whatever I feed into it, be it DSD or PCM. I think it will only get better with time.
GEAR:
Kuzma Stabi M, Kuzma 4 Point, Kuzma Car 40, Transrotor Phono 8.2mc sym, Bryston BDA-3, Oppo 105d, Amtrans resistor based custom passive pre, line magnetic 503pa s.e.t. monoblocks (modded), AVM 3.2 s.s. monoblocks, hypex class d sub amp, diy horn based 6 way speakers
Kodomo
Turkey
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Hi Folks,
Apparently we got a great review on the Bryston BDA-3 DAC in the latest electronic issue of UHF Magazine (I know they purchase one for their reference system).
I will try and get a link or a reprint.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=171174)
james
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Look forward to reading it.
My Father-In-Law is a subscriber, hope he gets the issue soon
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Look forward to reading it.
My Father-In-Law is a subscriber, hope he gets the issue soon
Rang, I remember you from the McIntosh MX-160 forum. If I recall, this unit does not support analog pass through. True?
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McIntosh MX160
Doesn’t ring a bell, you sure it was me?
Regardless, don’t know if supports analog pass through.
Perhaps Mr.Tanner can elaborate
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McIntosh MX160
Doesn’t ring a bell, you sure it was me?
Regardless, don’t know if supports analog pass through.
Perhaps Mr.Tanner can elaborate
Sorry, I guess it is not you. There is a guy using the handle, "The Rang," on the McIntosh MX-160 forum for Avsforum. I thought you and he were the same person. :oops: :o
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Hi!
I got my dac just a few days ago and I have to say I could not be more happy. :) Connected with bp-26, 4b3 and Pmc Fact 8 it`s just sounds just soooo beautifully and even exceeded my expectations.
But I have one question: on my dac box and on the dac label I have a serial number 438 but when I connect bda-3 to network then it shows that my serial number is actually 436? How it`s possible? :) Thx.
Best,
Sven
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Stereophile's Products of 2017 Editors' Choices of 2017
Bryston BDA-3 D/A processor makes the list! Congrats!
https://www.stereophile.com/content/stereophiles-products-2017-editors-choices-2017 (https://www.stereophile.com/content/stereophiles-products-2017-editors-choices-2017)
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Stereophile's Products of 2017 Editors' Choices of 2017
:thumb:
Bryston BDA-3 D/A processor makes the list! Congrats!
https://www.stereophile.com/content/stereophiles-products-2017-editors-choices-2017 (https://www.stereophile.com/content/stereophiles-products-2017-editors-choices-2017)
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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I'm kind of disappointed the Bryston didn't do better on the Stereophile list.
They said the Mytek and the other DAC it tied with (whose name escapes me) were way ahead of the others which means the Bryston was at best a distant third.
Doesn't matter to me, I'm still buying one eventually
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Hey Rang, the other top Stereophile digital component is Ayre Acoustics digital hub - at almost $9G!!
It is nice to see Stereophile reviewers state the BDA3 is the best sounding DAC ever heard in the listening room - and the reviewer is buying one! That says a helluva lot. Way to go Bryston!
Cheers TJ
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Hi
Yes I think we all fight the concept - "If it costs more it must be better" :)
james
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hey James, as Lena Horne would say...."Ain't it the truth"
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Did some researching this weekend. Got a new 4K 60Hz HDR TV from Santa for the man cave. The BDA-3 has the one HDCP 2.2 port. As I want to use 2 4K sources - Roku + Oppo, and hope to hook up my PC @4K as well. I looked into options. I have a 2 speaker system, and a subwoofer that is fed speaker level input in my stereo system.
Other than paying a lot for a HDCP 2.2 (all ports) AV processor, there was not a lot to go on. And from the reading I did, it’s likely to change in 1-2 years anyway. I don’t need any 5.1 or above.
I opted for an HDMI switcher that allows 4 inputs, and 4 outputs, all ports are HDCP compliant. I will put in all 4 sources (add the cable box for now), and send one output to the TV, and one to the BDA-3.
Not as clean and neat as I was hoping. The advancement of Video standards will necessitate hardware changes frequently. I chose to move out of the box with the HDMI switching, as I see no way an audio company could keep up.
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Did some researching this weekend. Got a new 4K 60Hz HDR TV from Santa for the man cave....
I opted for an HDMI switcher that allows 4 inputs, and 4 outputs, all ports are HDCP compliant. I will put in all 4 sources (add the cable box for now), and send one output to the TV, and one to the BDA-3.
Many TVs accept HDMI in and allow you to send audio out over optical, which you could then connect to the BDA-3. Since you have a 2.1 setup, you wouldn't be losing any data converting from HDMI to S/PDIF. Was that not an option with your new TV? Your computer could run video over HDMI and audio over USB. And perhaps you would want to connect the OPPO directly if you have SACDs.
Edit: By direct connection of the OPPO I meant HDMI into the BDA-3 without going through the TV.
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Not entirely sure I fully understand the problem but I do use optical out from my TV to my BDA-3.
As for stereo replay especially on SACD if you are into the quality of stereo reproduction or music using the Oppo direct would be the wrong option-the Bryston is a good bit better than the 105. I have recently sold my Oppo 105 and went for a Sony UBP X-800 which is a better transport for music and less issues with the 105 which I found with my Sony TV had some HDMI handshakes issues with video whilst playing music.
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Something specific to my system makes using the TV as the HDMI selector difficult. My room is 9.5 x 14 feet in size. I have the TV, and amp+speakers on one of the short ends. The audio stack sits on the side back at the other end. I have long interconnects (blue Jean cables) to the amps, an a long HDMI (monoprice) to the TV. One of the things that really tugged me to the BDA-3 was the HDMI implantation.
Then I stepped into the HDCP 2.2 quagmire. I suspect that TV standards will continue to race along, I decided, right away, that audio companies just can’t be expected to keep up with that race. Not that it would hurt my feelings if a new board gets released that has all HDMI jacks supporting HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2.
I specifically got a switcher with more than 1 output so that all my current HDMI outputs get their sounds processed by the BDA-3. I’ll plug the extra output into the one HDCP 2.2 input on the BDA-3. All my hdmi will be that level, and none of the components should complain.
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Something specific to my system makes using the TV as the HDMI selector difficult. My room is 9.5 x 14 feet in size. I have the TV, and amp+speakers on one of the short ends. The audio stack sits on the side back at the other end. I have long interconnects (blue Jean cables) to the amps, an a long HDMI (monoprice) to the TV. One of the things that really tugged me to the BDA-3 was the HDMI implantation.
Then I stepped into the HDCP 2.2 quagmire. I suspect that TV standards will continue to race along, I decided, right away, that audio companies just can’t be expected to keep up with that race. Not that it would hurt my feelings if a new board gets released that has all HDMI jacks supporting HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2.
I specifically got a switcher with more than 1 output so that all my current HDMI outputs get their sounds processed by the BDA-3. I’ll plug the extra output into the one HDCP 2.2 input on the BDA-3. All my hdmi will be that level, and none of the components should complain.
Yes I think the number of video inputs you use is unusual and personally I would have thought the Oppo itself or any universal player would allow you do just about everything on it-but I guess it depends on where your focus is-my system is mainly focused on music and the universal disc aspect with a passing interest on the odd movie/TV.
In terms of music the Bryston is special.
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Are BDA3’s with blue LEDS readily available, does one just have to ask for the option when ordering from their dealer?
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Are BDA3’s with blue LEDS readily available, does one just have to ask for the option when ordering from their dealer?
Hi Rang
Yes the Blue is an option so make sure you ask specifically when you order. They are usually available within a week of ordering.
james
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDA-3 DAC Review
January 2018
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=174633)
BRYSTON BDA-3 DAC REVIEW - CARLO LO RASO
Hi Folks
Please see below link to an outstanding and detailed review of our Bryston BDA-3 DAC.
“THE BRYSTON BDA-3 DAC is almost the perfect nexus of sonic and tactile excellence. You could spend more, but why?”
https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/dac/bryston-bda-3-dac-review/
Favourite Quotes:
“If you want to hear it all, and I mean every last bit of it, plunk down your pocketbook on a Bryston BDA-3. You will not regret it.”
“These are examples of some of the measurements that I took to put the Line Linearity chart together. A series of fifteen measurements of a 24-bit, 1 kHz tone beginning at -20 dBFS and getting progressively lower in level to -150 dBFS were taken.
This defines “dead quiet.”
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Just installed a new BDA3 DAC and I am very impressed by its flexibility and the sound. The fact that I can now listed to my 200 or so SACDs in DSD through a world-class DAC via HDMI is an amazing benefit. I am very glad that Bryston had the foresight to build a DAC that does SACD DSD decoding via HDMI. Thank you very very much :D :D
Please do not remove this feature in future DAC generations!!!
John
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Hi, I'm waiting to receive the BDA-3 and I'm going to connect an Oppo 95 EU for HDMI, my question is if any partner has the Oppo 95 connected to the BDA-3 because they always refer to the Oppo 105 and I could say if the Oppo 95 behaves like the 105, I will also connect the BCD-1 which connection is the most recommended the AES / EBU or the SPDIF, the output of the balanced BDA-3 will be connected to the BHA-1 as my listeners I do with headphones, sorry for my English I write through the Google translator.
Greetings to all, Alejandro.
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Will there be a silver bead-blasted faceplate on offer to match the rest of the newer lineup?
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Hi, James. Wanted to let you know my used Bryston purchases have now led to my first new Bryston purchase.
My local dealer (Mike Burns, Wolfsong Audio, can’t say enough good about Mike) was kind enough to bring his BDA-3 to my house today for a “shoot out” against my BDA-2, with associated BP26/28B3/Thiel CS6. Long story short the BDA-3 clearly put more “meat on the bones” of voices ( clearer portrayal of guttural, throaty sounds), guitars (hearing players not just change positions on the guitar neck but hearing their fingers slide down the strings), piano decays extended and image size expanded, etc vs what I was already convinced was an outstandingly musical BDA-2 performance. I placed an order with Mike for a BDA-3, considering also the more modular build approach of the BDA-3 for future upgradabilty.
Bravo to the Bryston Team! Have a great weekend,
Randy
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Hi
Email me and I will send you a BIN file and instructions.
jamestanner@bryston.com
james
Hello James / Bryston, I sent you an email on the 16th of this month requesting a firmware update to solve the noise that the BDA-3 makes when it reproduces DSD connected by HDMI, through the web interface and gives error, I wait for your answer, Sorry for my English I am Spanish and I write with the Google translator. A greeting.
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Hello James / Bryston, I sent you an email on the 16th of this month requesting a firmware update to solve the noise that the BDA-3 makes when it reproduces DSD connected by HDMI, through the web interface and gives error, I wait for your answer, Sorry for my English I am Spanish and I write with the Google translator. A greeting.
Hi aleger
I am not sure the new software will solve the problem as some DVD players stop sending a bitstream when you stop or pause it and that's what causes the tic sound.
Please send the email to Mike and see if he can help - mpickett@bryston.com
james
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Hi, I'm waiting to receive the BDA-3 and I'm going to connect an Oppo 95 EU for HDMI, my question is if any partner has the Oppo 95 connected to the BDA-3 because they always refer to the Oppo 105 and I could say if the Oppo 95 behaves like the 105, I will also connect the BCD-1 which connection is the most recommended the AES / EBU or the SPDIF, the output of the balanced BDA-3 will be connected to the BHA-1 as my listeners I do with headphones, sorry for my English I write through the Google translator.
Greetings to all, Alejandro.
hi Alejandro
If it was me, i would use the AES output from the BCD1 to the BDA3.
TJ
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hi Alejandro
If it was me, i would use the AES output from the BCD1 to the BDA3.
TJ
Thank you for your answer, this is how I connect it to BDA-3 by AES, but when I listen exclusively to CD I connect it directly by balanced to Blue Hawaii SE and from this to BDA-1.
Greetings.
Alexander.
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Hi aleger
I am not sure the new software will solve the problem as some DVD players stop sending a bitstream when you stop or pause it and that's what causes the tic sound.
Please send the email to Mike and see if he can help - mpickett@bryston.com
james
Thanks James, I mean the Bluray Oppo 95 EU connected by HDMI, send an email to Mike Pickett and comment that soon a firmware update will come out.
A greeting.
Alexander.
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http://www.bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2018_05_Review_BDA-3.pdf
... the Bryston DAC is not simply good, it is staggeringly good.
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I am not sure the new software will solve the problem as some DVD players stop sending a bitstream when you stop or pause it and that's what causes the tic sound.
Please send the email to Mike and see if he can help - mpickett@bryston.com
james
I had the same problem with ticks and loud pops when a blu ray went from the menu to the movie. Sometimes I would lose the sound if I stopped the movie and then tried to play it. I tried brand new Samsung and a Sony blu ray players and both did the same thing, though the Samsung did work properly for two days before it started acting up. Does anyone know of a low-priced blu ray (not an OPPO) that works properly when connected to the BDA-3 via HDMI.
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What just happened to my BDA3?
Turned it on and after some seconds all lights come on, no sound.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=180681)
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Thank you for your answer, this is how I connect it to BDA-3 by AES, but when I listen exclusively to CD I connect it directly by balanced to Blue Hawaii SE and from this to BDA-1.
Greetings.
Alexander.
Awesome headphone amp. Its on my list. One Day.
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Awesome headphone amp. Its on my list. One Day.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=180701)
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=180702)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=180701)
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Oki, so I found out what happened to my BDA3.
A thunderstorm had me pull out all the main plugs from my stereo.
When I plugged everything in again, alle lights(as shown in picture) turned on and it was not responding.
When I came home from work everything was normal again, I thought.
But there was an added bonus.
I tried several times some month ago to upgrade firmware on BDA-3 without any luck.
Well, plugging it in again started the upgrade, and it now runs the newest firmware :thumb:
Its not easy getting old :lol:
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HI James,
Having the opportunity to play with the bda3/bdp3 combo, i'm a bit confused, must be doing something wrong in a setting somewhere.:
I have 4 sources connected to the HDMI, and the out to the tv set. easy.
Playing a native sacd for the first time ever, (always played those via the deac inside the player, or played down to cd resolution), got me excited. I wanted to switch back and forth between several sources. Sounding cool and somewhat more laidback than the presentation I had heard before. (can easily compare switching the bp26 bal1 and bal2)
Unfortunately, each time I switch HDMI inputs on the Dac, the player stops, pops and crackles, and finally coming back to the Sacd at hand, it starts all over from the beginning...
What setting am i missing? (hope there is one, cause this certainly kills the other-half-factor....)
Cheers,
Marius
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HI James,
Having the opportunity to play with the bda3/bdp3 combo, i'm a bit confused, must be doing something wrong in a setting somewhere.:
I have 4 sources connected to the HDMI, and the out to the tv set. easy.
Playing a native sacd for the first time ever, (always played those via the deac inside the player, or played down to cd resolution), got me excited. I wanted to switch back and forth between several sources. Sounding cool and somewhat more laidback than the presentation I had heard before. (can easily compare switching the bp26 bal1 and bal2)
Unfortunately, each time I switch HDMI inputs on the Dac, the player stops, pops and crackles, and finally coming back to the Sacd at hand, it starts all over from the beginning...
What setting am i missing? (hope there is one, cause this certainly kills the other-half-factor....)
Cheers,
Marius
Hi Marius
It sounds like your played is loosing the bitstream when you switch and the BDA-3 has to reset.
I have run across a few players that lose the stream when switching whereas playes that retain a bitstream do not have this issue.
james
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Hi Marius
It sounds like your played is loosing the bitstream when you switch and the BDA-3 has to reset.
I have run across a few players that lose the stream when switching whereas playes that retain a bitstream do not have this issue.
james
ok James thanks, thought it might have had to do with the automatic source selection HDMI sources can provide. The player isnt loosing a stream or lock though, it just stops playing, as if commanded to do so by switching to another HDMI source.
If looking for another machine that doesnt do this, what would that functionality be called?
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I know the Denon, Pioneer and some OPPO players are fine.
james
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I know the Denon, Pioneer and some OPPO players are fine.
james
Ok cool on my list;-)
Let me ask please : trying the online interface (need to switch hdmi sources my br2 won’t select), I’m stuck with this rather unreadable small interface on iPhone . Switching landscape is somewhat better but still not very adequate. Should at least be responsive to the device at hand, no pun intended.
Is a better interface , like the Bdp for example in the works? You know, the other half factor is at stake...
More of a tech question: I tried Bryston-bda-3.local but only the ip-address is accepted ?
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=180763)
Thinking of a possible way out, wouldn’t it be very nice if instead of only discovering the bda3 in the Bdp interface, and providing a link, the set of inputs were displayed right away?
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=180766)
Cheers
Marius
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Hi aleger
I am not sure the new software will solve the problem as some DVD players stop sending a bitstream when you stop or pause it and that's what causes the tic sound.
Please send the email to Mike and see if he can help - mpickett@bryston.com
james
HI James, should have read the previous posts more precise, sorry for that.
This is much like my question on switching HDMI inputs on the BDA3. What i'm saying is it isn't only on the side of the player, the ticking is caused.
Might be because of the HDMI's definition this is happening, but couldn't the BDA incorporate some kind of soft-switching? A bit like the power-amps?
Automatic stop/play might be set on the player side, just like the automatic HDMI selector on the TV. Have to investigate . That wont keep the ticking out i fear.
Anyways, beyond the clicking and interface, I like what i hear!
Cheers,
Marius
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HI James, should have read the previous posts more precise, sorry for that.
This is much like my question on switching HDMI inputs on the BDA3. What i'm saying is it isn't only on the side of the player, the ticking is caused.
Might be because of the HDMI's definition this is happening, but couldn't the BDA incorporate some kind of soft-switching? A bit like the power-amps?
Automatic stop/play might be set on the player side, just like the automatic HDMI selector on the TV. Have to investigate . That wont keep the ticking out i fear.
Anyways, beyond the clicking and interface, I like what i hear!
Cheers,
Marius
Interesting idea - I will send this to engineering.
james
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Hello there! This is my very first post at this forum. I have a few questions, let's keep it simple and ON topic please :-) here is my first questions. I was wondering, with the BDA-3, what would you choose and why if you were to play physical CD´s (16/44) from an transport (a pretty good one, let's say around 1000 euro) through the BDA-3:
- HDMI out to HDMI in
- Coax out to coax (not BNC) in
I appreciate it!
Andreas
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Hi Andreas
Welcome!
HDMI has higher jitter rates than COAX so I would use COAX
james
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Hi Andreas
Welcome!
HDMI has higher jitter rates than COAX so I would use COAX
james
Hi James! Thank you for your quick reply. OK, so COAX goes for DVD- and Bluray movies as well as CD (same transport/universal player and conditions as mentioned above)?
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Hi James! Thank you for your quick reply. OK, so COAX goes for DVD- and Bluray movies as well as CD (same transport/universal player and conditions as mentioned above)?
You will need HDMI for video part only.
james
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OK, thank you once again James.
Just to make sure and due to previous info, it's preferable to use the BDA-3, for best sound, like this:
CD, DVD (sound) and Bluray (sound) = COAX or BNC
SACD = HDMI (the only way with BDA-3)
Correct?
Bryston BDA-3 users (and James T.) feel free to comment your ideas och opinions on this topic.
Thanks!
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OK, thank you once again James.
Just to make sure and due to previous info, it's preferable to use the BDA-3, for best sound, like this:
CD, DVD (sound) and Bluray (sound) = COAX or BNC
SACD = HDMI (the only way with BDA-3)
Correct?
Bryston BDA-3 users (and James T.) feel free to comment your ideas och opinions on this topic.
Thanks!
Hi Andreas,
I would say it's correct. Just remember that coax si limited to 48/24 (or maybe even 44/24) so if you're playing BR you might consider using HDMI for higher resolution.
what is your transport?
Cheers
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Hi Folks,
The COAX on the BDA-3 DAC is capable of 192/24. The USB is capable of 192/32 and DSD 64 and 128. The HDMI is 192/24 and DSD 64.
james
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The BDA-3 page and pg. 4 of manual on Bryston site says that PCM is capable of 384/32. And that DSD-256 is supported. Thru USB.
http://bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDA3_MANUAL.pdf
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Hi Andreas,
I would say it's correct. Just remember that coax si limited to 48/24 (or maybe even 44/24) so if you're playing BR you might consider using HDMI for higher resolution.
what is your transport?
Cheers
Hi Grant! Thank you for your answer. I use Marantz UD7007 as a transport, so it will be BR, DVD and CD through coax - and I will try it both with and without upsampling function.
I will also try BR, DVD and CD through HDMI.
I will use USB when using my Mac Mini. This is kind of new for me.
I will definitely use HDMI when playing SACD. That is awesome!
What are your opinions on the upsampling function?
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Hi Folks,
The COAX on the BDA-3 DAC is capable of 192/24. The USB is capable of 192/32 and DSD 64 and 128. The HDMI is 192/24 and DSD 64.
james
Hi James, those numbers are awesome - it seems to be covering... everything and a little bit more :-)!
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The BDA-3 page and pg. 4 of manual on Bryston site says that PCM is capable of 384/32. And that DSD-256 is supported. Thru USB.
http://bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDA3_MANUAL.pdf
Hi and thanks for the info CanadianMaestro, i will read the manual.
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Has anyone elaborated with different power cords (more or less pricier) or other cables for that matter and made comparisons when using BDA-3?
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The BDA-3 page and pg. 4 of manual on Bryston site says that PCM is capable of 384/32. And that DSD-256 is supported. Thru USB.
http://bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDA3_MANUAL.pdf
Hi
Yes thats correct but as far as I know there is not much material out there. And folks remember the numbers are a small 'bit' of the total story of what makes a quality DAC.
james
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Hi
Yes thats correct but as far as I know there is not much material out there. And folks remember the numbers are a small 'bit' of the total story of what makes a quality DAC.
james
So true James, I'm looking forward to hear music and sound through BDA-3! I only want to make sure that I'm using the unit for the most optimal experience.
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Hi
Yes thats correct but as far as I know there is not much material out there.
james
The Bryston manual is definitive. And accurate -- I hope.
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Has anyone elaborated with different power cords (more or less pricier) or other cables for that matter and made comparisons when using BDA-3?
A DAC doesn't need a hi-end cord, so just use the quality 16-AWG stock provided with BDA.
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Burn-in time for the BDA-3, what can one expect?
Thanks!
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I confirm it goes up to 384/32 and dsd128 via USB. Never tried 256.
I think that coax is limited by the source at 48, not by the dac itself
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Hi Grant! Thank you for your answer. I use Marantz UD7007 as a transport, so it will be BR, DVD and CD through coax - and I will try it both with and without upsampling function.
I will also try BR, DVD and CD through HDMI.
I will use USB when using my Mac Mini. This is kind of new for me.
I will definitely use HDMI when playing SACD. That is awesome!
What are your opinions on the upsampling function?
That's cool! If you try, let us know if you like better sacd via hdmi to bda3 or directly from the marantz which is a good player.
I don't use upsampling, i prefer to leave the signal as it is
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Marantz makes excellent SACD players. Their 8004 is very fine (even in standard CD mode).
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That's cool! If you try, let us know if you like better sacd via hdmi to bda3 or directly from the marantz which is a good player.
I don't use upsampling, i prefer to leave the signal as it is
I will let you know, u bet :-)! I really, really hope that SACD via HDMI to BDA-3 is better, far better, than directly from Marantz UD7007. There is nothing wrong with Marantz though, still I have high expectations on a separate DAC:s performance, due to its main purpose, as I see it.
As for the upsampling, I will at least try it with different recordings. I want the music/sound to be as "neutral" as possible.
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Marantz makes excellent SACD players. Their 8004 is very fine (even in standard CD mode).
I agree! But, I hope the BDA-3 will do a even better job (more neutral and higher resolution) with the signal :D!
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I am still waiting for my BDA-3 to arrive, I think I'll will have it by the end of next week, before next weekend, I hope. I'm excited :D! James send me a couple of reviews, that made me even more thrilled.
One question though: the XLR/balanced outputs volume 4 volts - that goes for BDA-1, BDA-2 and BDA-3; The output volume is the same for the three units?
Cheers!
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I'm considering joining the Bryston family again. I once owned 7B-ST monoblocks. Now I'm considering the BDA-3. I've owned a NAD M51 for many years now and have the itch to upgrade. Can anyone here speak to how the BDA-3 compares to the M51?
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I'm considering joining the Bryston family again. I once owned 7B-ST monoblocks. Now I'm considering the BDA-3. I've owned a NAD M51 for many years now and have the itch to upgrade. Can anyone here speak to how the BDA-3 compares to the M51?
What do you think you are missing with your NAD that you believe an upgrade may solve?
Should try to audition a BDA if possible, at home.
cheers
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congrats! please share your impressions
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Thanks Mr Grant Hill! Impressions so far and only on USB: I don't like it. I love it!
I will get back and give more comments on BDA-3, I have to listen now :thumb:!
Cheers!
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Congrats!
May I also know the source you’re using to feed BDA-3.
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Thanks! So far, I've only used the USB and listened mainly via Itunes (Apple Lossless), Spotify, Youtube and HBO Nordic. I will of course use the HDMI (SACD), and Coax (CD, DVD, Bluray). My plan is to test each input very careful and during a period of time, I will focus let's say a month or more on each input. So far so good.
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I just got a BDA-3 the other day (and a BPD-3 to replace my old BDA-2/BDP-2 combi) and checked the firmware which was version: u2016.11p (index.htm-014) Build Date: Nov 4 2016 15:16:32
I downloaded BDA3_2018_05d from http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDA3/firmware/ and followed the instructions in the manual. All leds on the front plate lit up green after the upload which should indicate a successful firmware upload, the web-GUI however still shows the same firmware version as before the update. I of course refreshed the browser window and also power cycled the dac, the same old firmware version is showing nevertheless. I guess this might be a problem with the web-GUI?
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I just got a BDA-3 the other day (and a BPD-3 to replace my old BDA-2/BDP-2 combi) and checked the firmware which was version: u2016.11p (index.htm-014) Build Date: Nov 4 2016 15:16:32
I downloaded BDA3_2018_05d from http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDA3/firmware/ and followed the instructions in the manual. All leds on the front plate lit up green after the upload which should indicate a successful firmware upload, the web-GUI however still shows the same firmware version as before the update. I of course refreshed the browser window and also power cycled the dac, the same old firmware version is showing nevertheless. I guess this might be a problem with the web-GUI?
I have a BDA-2/BDP-2 combo I've considered upgrading just as you did. How did you have the BDA-2/BDP-2 connected? How do you have the BDA-3/BDP-3 connected?
I'd LOVE to hear your thoughts/experiences, either in this thread or a PM.
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I downloaded BDA3_2018_05d from http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDA3/firmware/ and followed the instructions in the manual. All leds on the front plate lit up green after the upload which should indicate a successful firmware upload, the web-GUI however still shows the same firmware version as before the update. I of course refreshed the browser window and also power cycled the dac, the same old firmware version is showing nevertheless. I guess this might be a problem with the web-GUI?
If all of the LEDs on the front of the BDA-3 are lit up, and staying lit up, you need to let it keep going until the unit power cycles itself. It will sit there with all the LEDs lit for a few minutes, while it is still updating things.
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If all of the LEDs on the front of the BDA-3 are lit up, and staying lit up, you need to let it keep going until the unit power cycles itself. It will sit there with all the LEDs lit for a few minutes, while it is still updating things.
Yes I know, and it power cycled itself. The LEDs were however not lit up for more than a few seconds.
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Hi guys, have you successfully played dsd256 with BDA-3? I can’t on mac, it will have some kind of error message from Jriver saying device is not setup correctly etc but dsd64/sacd iso is working fine.
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Hi guys, have you successfully played dsd256 with BDA-3? I can’t on mac, it will have some kind of error message from Jriver saying device is not setup correctly etc but dsd64/sacd iso is working fine.
Hi Georgios
DSD256 native should work fine.
DoP is limited to DSD128.
james
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I just got a BDA-3 the other day (and a BPD-3 to replace my old BDA-2/BDP-2 combi) and checked the firmware which was version: u2016.11p (index.htm-014) Build Date: Nov 4 2016 15:16:32
I downloaded BDA3_2018_05d from http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDA3/firmware/ and followed the instructions in the manual. All leds on the front plate lit up green after the upload which should indicate a successful firmware upload, the web-GUI however still shows the same firmware version as before the update. I of course refreshed the browser window and also power cycled the dac, the same old firmware version is showing nevertheless. I guess this might be a problem with the web-GUI?
Any ideas James?
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Any ideas James?
Hi
Sorry I do not - email Mike at Bryston please - mpickett@bryston.com
james
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Hi Georgios
DSD256 native should work fine.
DoP is limited to DSD128.
james
Hi James
Looks like I needs driver for Mac. Below is what I found on other vendor website.
“The Mac sound system doesn't have a built-in support for DSD-encoded audio. The audio industry has adopted an open-source standard called DSD over PCM (DoP). DoP relies on a workaround to disguise DSD as PCM data stream. Unfortunately this workaround causes 30 to 50 percent overhead. The DoP implementation of DSD 256 requires support for PCM at 705.6kHz and 768kHz. Such sampling rates are a real challenge for both computer CPU and USB audio interface.
The new completely redesigned exaSound Core Audio DoP256 driver overcomes these limitations.”
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Hello!
Can I connect two headphone amplifiers to the BDA3 simultaneously? One through xlr, the other through the rca outputs?
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Hello!
Can I connect two headphone amplifiers to the BDA3 simultaneously? One through xlr, the other through the rca outputs?
Hi
Yes you can.
james
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Bryston’s been batting a 1000 on responding to posts, doesn’t this deserve a response one way or another ?
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After threatening for 18 months, today I finally ordered a BDA-3, in black.
Rather than wait until I had saved every last penny, and with October 1st looming, I said “to hell with it, you only live once”
The salesperson, a great guy whom I’ve dealt with for many years since the Sound Plus days, was unaware of the blue LED option (which I want).
I sure hope that request gets properly communicated to Bryston
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After threatening for 18 months, today I finally ordered a BDA-3, in black.
Rather than wait until I had saved every last penny, and with October 1st looming, I said “to hell with it, you only live once”
The salesperson, a great guy whom I’ve dealt with for many years since the Sound Plus days, was unaware of the blue LED option (which I want).
I sure hope that request gets properly communicated to Bryston
Hi Rang
Great to hear - if it was Hi-Fi Center I saw the order come through last night.
james
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Yes, it was Hi-Fi Center.
What’s the lead time these days?
Not in a rush at all, I’ve waited this long, I can wait longer.
I view it as my Christmas present ;)
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Yes, it was Hi-Fi Center.
What’s the lead time these days?
Not in a rush at all, I’ve waited this long, I can wait longer.
I view it as my Christmas present ;)
I would say about 2 weeks.
james
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Congrats Rang! Good decision :thumb:
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Two weeks?
Wow, it will be here a lot sooner than I thought, I was thinking 4 to 6.
Not a Christmas present then, can maybe slide in a phono stage for December ;)
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After threatening for 18 months, today I finally ordered a BDA-3, in black.
Rather than wait until I had saved every last penny, and with October 1st looming, I said “to hell with it, you only live once”
The salesperson, a great guy whom I’ve dealt with for many years since the Sound Plus days, was unaware of the blue LED option (which I want).
I sure hope that request gets properly communicated to Bryston
Good 4 U, I am very happy with BDA-3! Enjoy the music. Cheers!
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Do these DACs need a break in period?
If so can you plug in some music via USB and let it repeat
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James,
is it possible to use both outputs (xlr+rca) at the same time??????
al.
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James,
is it possible to use both outputs (xlr+rca) at the same time??????
al.
Yes.
james
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Will Bryston have a plan to develop a good Universal transport with HDMI output to match BDA-3? It will be my next transport if so.
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Will Bryston have a plan to develop a good Universal transport with HDMI output to match BDA-3? It will be my next transport if so.
With Oppo out of the game it could be a good idea
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With Oppo out of the game it could be a good idea
I've been thinking that myself. Bryston should develop a universal Blu ray player.
Having listened to a dozen or so Blu ray. I have to conclude that with uncompressed Lpcm and dts Master audio, this is the only way to achieve the highest level in Hi-Fidelity.
It seems manufactures are abandoning this goal for streaming. Cheap Blu ray units are out there but to really hear what the Blu ray format can do you need a quality player.
Just purchased a Yamaha BD-A1060 and I am wowed by the output, so not likely to purchase another unit even if Byston should manufacture one.
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Will Bryston have a plan to develop a good Universal transport with HDMI output to match BDA-3? It will be my next transport if so.
That would be perfect!
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I've been thinking that myself. Bryston should develop a universal Blu ray player.
Having listened to a dozen or so Blu ray. I have to conclude that with uncompressed Lpcm and dts Master audio, this is the only way to achieve the highest level in Hi-Fidelity.
It seems manufactures are abandoning this goal for streaming. Cheap Blu ray units are out there but to really hear what the Blu ray format can do you need a quality player.
Just purchased a Yamaha BD-A1060 and I am wowed by the output, so not likely to purchase another unit even if Byston should manufacture one.
You are not being practical or realistic. Why would Bryston get into the blu-ray business when when they make electronics to play blu-ray as an input device? Its not practical for them to make blu-ray machine as its not their forte. :nono:
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You are not being practical or realistic. Why would Bryston get into the blu-ray business when when they make electronics to play blu-ray as an input device? Its not practical for them to make blu-ray machine as its not their forte. :nono:
Because I believe it fits their philosophy. I agree however that it would be a risky venture as blu ray titles seem to be scarce or in short supply. And it seems audio enthusiasts are moving to streaming. So the market for universal players is getting smaller not bigger.
Most homes don't have an appropriate room for stereo let alone multi-channel set up. And disposable income for audio equipment is getting smaller for most folks. So streaming is a cheaper more practical solution for people who want decent audio which is good enough.
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Dont really have to be Blu ray compatible, SACD and CD are the main purpose. And I found it’s not easy to be done for both in one player.
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Hi
Just got myself a second hand BDA-3. While getting familiar with the unit, i checked some information from the web interface as well where i found these under Status page:
Status
Error and status messages:
USB INT is stuck
EEPR SourcePar not init
EEPROM check failed
Number of Flash Write Cycles:
Internal (PIC32MXx): 3
External (25VFxx) : 47
Is there anything i need to worry about?
Thanks
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Hi
Just got myself a second hand BDA-3. While getting familiar with the unit, i checked some information from the web interface as well where i found these under Status page:
Status
Error and status messages:
USB INT is stuck
EEPR SourcePar not init
EEPROM check failed
Number of Flash Write Cycles:
Internal (PIC32MXx): 3
External (25VFxx) : 47
Is there anything i need to worry about?
Thanks
I'd suggest sending these details along with the unit's serial number by email to Mike at Bryston - mpickett@bryston.com
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My BDA3 arrived at the dealer on Monday, but it will be Saturday before I can get in there to pick it up.
Torture ;)
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Have you tried the BDA3 out yet?
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Not yet, picked it up at 3 in the afternoon, then out with family for an early dinner so no time
Later today for sure
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Is there a break in period?
So far it sounds OK but not nearly as smooth as the store unit I brought home for a demo
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Is there a break in period?
So far it sounds OK but not nearly as smooth as the store unit I brought home for a demo
I borrowed my dealers unit to evaluate and then kept it till my purchase arrived. The purchased unit out of the box was so close to the 2 year old unit from the dealer. No doubt some break in will only improve the experience but I’m surprised “so far it (just) sounds ok and not nearly as smooth. This is one awesome DAC. Hope it meets your expectations.
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Hi James!
I was reading the Stereophile review of the BDA-3 and noticed LG said the upsampling feature does not work on either USB or HDMI inputs. Is this correct?
Also, JA's measurements suggest BDA-3 has a user-selectable digital filter. Is this true?
One other thing not directly related to BDA-3, but what is the current MSRP for the BR-2 remote controller?
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi James!
I was reading the Stereophile review of the BDA-3 and noticed LG said the upsampling feature does not work on either USB or HDMI inputs. Is this correct?
Also, JA's measurements suggest BDA-3 has a user-selectable digital filter. Is this true?
One other thing not directly related to BDA-3, but what is the current MSRP for the BR-2 remote controller?
Cheers!
Antun
Hi Antun
Correct the upsample does not work on USB or HDMI (how many people do you think still tell me they hear a difference though).
The AKM DAC we use does have 6 different filters but we have chosen the most accurate one as the default position. We have not implemented the option of switching between the other filters at this point.
The remote is $499 list.
james
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Hi Antun
Correct the upsample does not work on USB or HDMI (how many people do you think still tell me they hear a difference though).
james
Placebo? :D
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I borrowed my dealers unit to evaluate and then kept it till my purchase arrived. The purchased unit out of the box was so close to the 2 year old unit from the dealer. No doubt some break in will only improve the experience but I’m surprised “so far it (just) sounds ok and not nearly as smooth. This is one awesome DAC. Hope it meets your expectations.
Maybe “OK” was a per choice of words. It’s much better than OK.
I should go back to the music I demoed with and it also occurs to me my system has changed rooms since then so the acoustics will be different (and this new room doesn’t have the dedicated circuit the old room had...something I intend to rectify)
Plus I believe my best listening happens on the weekends when I haven’t been subjected to the same amount of noise polution so my ears are more relaxed.
I have no doubt this DAC will meet my expectations.
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Hi Antun
Correct the upsample does not work on USB or HDMI (how many people do you think still tell me they hear a difference though).
The AKM DAC we use does have 6 different filters but we have chosen the most accurate one as the default position. We have not implemented the option of switching between the other filters at this point.
The remote is $499 list.
james
Thanks for the reply, James! That's really quite interesting!
Does the upsample work on USB with BDA-2 (previous model to the BDA-3)?
Cheers,
Antun
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Thanks for the reply, James! That's really quite interesting!
Does the upsample work on USB with BDA-2 (previous model to the BDA-3)?
Cheers,
Antun
Hi Antun
No same for the BDA-2
james
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Hello, James.
There are 52 pages of posts in this thread, and I don't wish to spend an hour or two reading through them. Please tell me what is special about the BDA-3 DAC.
I use my Mac Mini as source, and usually stream Tidal. 98% of my music is CD quality.
Regards,
Michael
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Hello, James.
There are 52 pages of posts in this thread, and I don't wish to spend an hour or two reading through them. Please tell me what is special about the BDA-3 DAC.
I use my Mac Mini as source, and usually stream Tidal. 98% of my music is CD quality.
Regards,
Michael
Hi Michael,
If most of your music is streaming and at 44.1/16bit I would say your MAC Mini would be just fine. The BDA-3 is more appropriate if you want to listen to higher resolution files and are concerned about ultimate fidelity available with those kinds of files.
I think the BDA-3 DAC does a better job at 44.1 as well but I think that is something you should audition for yourself. I am not a fan of the current streamed music as I do not find it to be anywhere near as good as a ripped CD or high resolution files Mastered correctly.
The BDA-3 DAC is optimized when it comes to jitter, noise floor, grounding and power supply design as well as dual DAC's for separate left and right channels. Also the BDA3 has a multiple inputs so it gives you a central position for all your digital sources to be played through a quality DAC.
The BDA-3 DAC has been compared and measured relative to DAC's costing many multiples of cost above ours and I think you can spend a lot more money on a DAC but you will not get better performance than the BDA-3 can provide assuming accuracy is what you are after.
I think though that auditioning it yourself is the best way to assess what benefits the BDA-3 would have in your system because as I have said many times - "if you don't hear a difference stop spending"
james
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Hi Michael,
I think though that auditioning it yourself is the best way to assess what benefits the BDA-3 would have in your system because as I have said many times - "if you don't hear a difference stop spending"
james
Amen to that. :thumb:
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Hi Antun
No same for the BDA-2
james
James, are you absolutely certain upsampling does not affect USB input on BDA-2?
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Hi Michael,
If most of your music is streaming and at 44.1/16bit I would say your MAC Mini would be just fine. The BDA-3 is more appropriate if you want to listen to higher resolution files and are concerned about ultimate fidelity available with those kinds of files.
I think the BDA-3 DAC does a better job at 44.1 as well but I think that is something you should audition for yourself. I am not a fan of the current streamed music as I do not find it to be anywhere near as good as a ripped CD or high resolution files Mastered correctly.
The BDA-3 DAC is optimized when it comes to jitter, noise floor, grounding and power supply design as well as dual DAC's for separate left and right channels. Also the BDA3 has a multiple inputs so it gives you a central position for all your digital sources to be played through a quality DAC.
The BDA-3 DAC has been compared and measured relative to DAC's costing many multiples of cost above ours and I think you can spend a lot more money on a DAC but you will not get better performance than the BDA-3 can provide assuming accuracy is what you are after.
I think though that auditioning it yourself is the best way to assess what benefits the BDA-3 would have in your system because as I have said many times - "if you don't hear a difference stop spending"
james
Thank you.
I'll have a chat with the nearest dealer to ask about their auditioning policy.
Regards,
Michael
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Hi Antun
Correct the upsample does not work on USB or HDMI (how many people do you think still tell me they hear a difference though).
The AKM DAC we use does have 6 different filters but we have chosen the most accurate one as the default position. We have not implemented the option of switching between the other filters at this point.
The remote is $499 list.
james
James,
It would be nice to have the option to switch between filters.
Or an option to just turn the filter off/on.
Then people that have their own servers, and run products like HQplayer, can chose their
own filters via HQplayer.
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James,
It would be nice to have the option to switch between filters.
Or an option to just turn the filter off/on.
Then people that have their own servers, and run products like HQplayer, can chose their
own filters via HQplayer.
Me thinks your expectations are way too high. :o
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Me thinks your expectations are way too high. :o
Methinks you are right. :lol:
Filters? Yuck. :nono:
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Hey all. I just bought 2 of these DAC's (one for office, one for home) on the recommendation of my dealer--without having heard it first. And wow, this is one incredible machine. It prompted me to order a Bryston 4b3 unit on friday and I can't wait to hear what that does to my system. I haven't turned on my record player in a couple weeks because this sounds perfect.
One question, does anyone know, or maybe it has been mentioned in the pages here I have not found yet, if there are any plans for an upgraded HDMI board to bring it up to the 2.0 or later spec beyond 1.4a? At home, my movie and streaming is very modest--just an 4K apple TV and a 4K xbox (the AppleTV is plugged into the HDMI in on the xbox). It would kick ass to be able to plug the xbox into the DAC as my music/theater is just a 2.0 system and will include the new 4b3 (and a new preamp TBD in the next few months). Right now, I am limited at 4k/30 and the TV/xbox can push 4k/60. I would happy to buy one :)
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Me thinks your expectations are way too high. :o
Surely you jest...
Doing a firmware update to enable existing filters or the ability to turn the filters on/off would be fairly simply
for a company like bryston. Look at all the firmware changes they already do to the BDP-2/3 on a regular basis.
James already said they do have the code to select filters.
Alot of cheaper products offer this function. Look at the teac UD-503. A $1000 dac. They offer 4 filter selections.
And anyone who says filters? Yuck, well then you must not like the BDA-3, because bryston has already set a FILTER they think
sounds the best....
"The AKM DAC we use does have 6 different filters but we have chosen the most accurate one as the default position"
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@adol290
Pardon my naïveté, but what exactly do filters (at least the type you are talking about) contribute and how do they work?
TIA :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
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@adol290
Pardon my naïveté, but what exactly do filters (at least the type you are talking about) contribute and how do they work?
TIA :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
Wikipedia
"a digital filter is a system that performs mathematical operations on a sampled, discrete-time signal to reduce or enhance certain aspects of that signal."
Filters are created to alter the sound, hopefully for the better. The bryston DAC has the
the AKM4490EQ chip in it. There are 5 filters to choose from:
- Sharp Roll-off
- Short Delay Sharp Roll-off
- Slow Roll-off
- Short Delay
- Slow Roll-off
- Super Slow Roll-off
I am not sure what the sixth filter james is talking about, but i assume OFF.
If your equipment and your Ears are good enough, you may be able to hear the differences between each filter.
Some people like the way one filter will sound over another on their gear. It's all personal preference.
There are a tons of discussions about filters and how they work. You can get started here and follow some of the links.
https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/8livrh/difference_between_dac_filters_slow_sharp_delay/
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That's what I thought.
How about a cheap Sony receiver with bass and treble tone control knobs?
Why mess with filters -- the whole foundation for hi-end gear is to eliminate tone controls to try to achieve neutrality ("sounds as the studio recording sounded, unaltered").
Of course, if it sounds good to you, go for it.
cheers
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Surely you jest...
And anyone who says filters? Yuck, well then you must not like the BDA-3, ....
That is correct -- I spent 3 days auditioning a BDA-3 on my home rig. It was good. But I did not buy it. I prefer my BDA-1. (I don't do USB or HDMI -- just straight, pure PCM from CD rips and downloaded lossless).
It's all personal preferences.
cheers
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Methinks you are right. :lol:
Filters? Yuck. :nono:
:D
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Surely you jest...
Doing a firmware update to enable existing filters or the ability to turn the filters on/off would be fairly simply
for a company like bryston. Look at all the firmware changes they already do to the BDP-2/3 on a regular basis.
James already said they do have the code to select filters.
Alot of cheaper products offer this function. Look at the teac UD-503. A $1000 dac. They offer 4 filter selections.
And anyone who says filters? Yuck, well then you must not like the BDA-3, because bryston has already set a FILTER they think
sounds the best....
"The AKM DAC we use does have 6 different filters but we have chosen the most accurate one as the default position"
In making a product, a company has to make choices on features. Bryston opted not to include selectable filters on its BDA-3. Its fine with me as the unit still punches well out of its price category. The BDA-3 has HDMI inputs where most D/A converters don't offer it. One cannot have everything in life. The BDA-3 has every feature that would interest me which is the reason I purchased it. The fact that a less expensive D/A converter offer filters is meaningless.
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+1 :thumb:
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A question for those of you that have the BDA3 with blue LEDs.
What color is the upsampling LED?
On my new unit all of the lights are either red or blue depending on the state.
Except the upsample LED which looks like it’s trying to be blue and red at the same time.
Not quite pink, bit close.
Is this normal?
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A question for those of you that have the BDA3 with blue LEDs.
What color is the upsampling LED?
On my new unit all of the lights are either red or blue depending on the state.
Except the upsample LED which looks like it’s trying to be blue and red at the same time.
Not quite pink, bit close.
Is this normal?
Is color affecting sound quality? If so, then that's not normal.
cheers
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In making a product, a company has to make choices on features. Bryston opted not to include selectable filters on its BDA-3. Its fine with me as the unit still punches well out of its price category. The BDA-3 has HDMI inputs where most D/A converters don't offer it. One cannot have everything in life. The BDA-3 has every feature that would interest me which is the reason I purchased it. The fact that a less expensive D/A converter offer filters is meaningless.
I agree the BDA-3 is a very good DAC within it's price range.
There is nothing wrong with asking for additional functionality. Many companies add new software features to their products during
it's lifespan, to make it's product more attractive to new buyers. I own a number of products where companies have done this even
after it's product was 2+ years old. This is very common these days.
If they feel there is a need for the filter selection, they may allow it in the BDA-3 or may even put it in the BDA-4.
There is a large group of people who like to tweak their music with filters, and this would open up a wider audience for sales.
Remember bryston did not like room correction and it was never available in the SP3. Now the SP4 is here, so is the option for
room correction. Why? More sales...
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Remember bryston did not like room correction and it was never available in the SP3. Now the SP4 is here, so is the option for
room correction. Why? More sales...
I disagree. Not for sales.
Bryston's overriding design goal has been to produce gear that best preserves ACCURACY to the source.
Having the option of "room correction" would be still be consistent with that goal.
cheers
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James,
It would be nice to have the option to switch between filters.
Or an option to just turn the filter off/on.
Then people that have their own servers, and run products like HQplayer, can chose their
own filters via HQplayer.
Hi!
Digital-to-analogue conversion within a delta-sigma chip requires filtering so turning it off is not possible. It would not work otherwise. You may have different filters, some of which may be more invasive than others, but you must always have it. Bryston has likely selected one of the filter types already installed in the D/A chip which eliminates the need for external filtering on a separate chip (which typically makes the machine more expensive to make). I think they didn't want users (or reviewers) to meddle with the sound because that would surely give polarizing opinions on the matter.
Having the ability to change different filter types is fun but I have often found it quite useless when it comes to music playback since there is always one certain type that sounded the best overall.
Cheers,
Antun
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I disagree. Not for sales.
Bryston's overriding design goal has been to produce gear that best preserves ACCURACY to the source.
Having the option of "room correction" would be still be consistent with that goal.
cheers
I agree on producing gear that preserves the accuracy.
But i disagree on your second statement. James states that he did not want room correction in the SP3
because it would not preserve that accuracy.
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=50270.msg1080400#msg1080400
So what changed that it became available in the SP4.
They surely didn't change the laws of physics.
I think they realized that there was a market for it, and made the trade off.
Does the SP4 sound the same/or better than the SP3 with room correction off? How about on?
I see the SP3 is still available to order.
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Remember bryston did not like room correction and it was never available in the SP3. Now the SP4 is here, so is the option for room correction. Why? More sales...
I disagree. Briyston offered the SP4 for those who wanted room correction and Atmos.
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I disagree. Briyston offered the SP4 for those who wanted room correction and Atmos.
Exactly, Because they were missing a portion of the market, which boils down to more sales.
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Hi!
Digital-to-analogue conversion within a delta-sigma chip requires filtering so turning it off is not possible. It would not work otherwise. You may have different filters, some of which may be more invasive than others, but you must always have it. Bryston has likely selected one of the filter types already installed in the D/A chip which eliminates the need for external filtering on a separate chip (which typically makes the machine more expensive to make). I think they didn't want users (or reviewers) to meddle with the sound because that would surely give polarizing opinions on the matter.
Having the ability to change different filter types is fun but I have often found it quite useless when it comes to music playback since there is always one certain type that sounded the best overall.
Cheers,
Antun
Hi,
I had an Esoteric K-03x that had the AK4495S chip. As you see in the picture below you were allowed to change filters or turn it off.
I understand that bryston wants a certain sound. But it would be to their advantage to offer more options to increase market share. They can
sell the BDA-3 with the filters set the "bryston recommended way" and make a note of such in the manual. Then let the ones who like to play, play.
I have had the same experience where one filter sounds the best overall. But i have also found that filter did not sound as good on another
system.
But bryston always improves on the next generation, and we may see filter selection/ digital volume control among other things.
I thinks it's smart business to be able to offer the bryston sound, with the option of letting people tweak a bit.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=186230)
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Hi,
I thinks it's smart business to be able to offer the bryston sound, with the option of letting people tweak a bit.
:scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
Bryston sound = accuracy to the source.
They've always done this.
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:scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
Bryston sound = accuracy to the source.
They've always done this.
WRONG.....
They broke that with the SP4., plain and simple
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Hi Folks,
The 5 filters available on the AKM 4490 chip.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=186236)
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WRONG.....
They broke that with the SP4., plain and simple
Can you read?
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Can you read?
I can read, but obviously you can't comprehend.
You said
"Bryston sound = accuracy to the source.
They've always done this."
Which is correct until the SP4.
Once room correction is turned on in the SP4, "Bryston sound = accuracy to the source." is no longer in effect.
This is stated by james in the link i provided.
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=50270.msg1080400#msg1080400
They have now set a precedent that allows users to change the "bryston sound", by turning on room correction.
No different than if they allowed people to select a different filter in the BDA-3.
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A question for those of you that have the BDA3 with blue LEDs.
What color is the upsampling LED?
On my new unit all of the lights are either red or blue depending on the state.
Except the upsample LED which looks like it’s trying to be blue and red at the same time.
Not quite pink, bit close.
Is this normal?
I believe that's the "purple" color. On the green/red LED systems, I think they combine green/red for an orange?
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Personal insults going both ways; classy discussion guys.
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My point (to adol) is that Bryston's design philosophy hasn't changed: accuracy to the source.
Offering the OPTION of modifying/adding a filter doesn't alter this philosophy.
The SP4 doesn't alter that philosophy.
p.s. "room correction" is intended to reduce the impact of room-related factors that would distort the output (sound) of a system. Having RC turned on should move the output closer to that "Bryston sound" - accuracy to the source.
This is a DAC thread; so why are we discussing SP4?
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I have a BDA-3, so stop in here once in a while to see what is being discussed. Pretty pathetic to see two grown individuals who've probably never met pissing back and forth at each other like nine year olds because they disagree on something. It's just audio equipment.
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agreed ngamountains. and it's often the same few.
hey....is that North Georgia Mountains? Nice country if it is!
TJ
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Indeed TJ, on the southern edge of the Blue Ridge Mountains. We are not missing the snow of the Midwest which was our previous home for decades. It's not for everyone but we enjoy it here. Enjoy the weekend.
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That is correct -- I spent 3 days auditioning a BDA-3 on my home rig. It was good. But I did not buy it. I prefer my BDA-1. (I don't do USB or HDMI -- just straight, pure PCM from CD rips and downloaded lossless).
It's all personal preferences.
cheers
I bought the Bda-1 when it was released, still have it.
Owned the Bda-2 for 3month, wanted to like it, but the Bda-1 sounded better to my ears.
Bought the Bda-3, had it for one year, with the BDP-3 and Oppo 103.
Its a very good dac, but as you I mostly use cd rips and high res pcm(I use BNC).
And to my ears Bda-1 is still the best sounding dac for those files.
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I bought the Bda-1 when it was released, still have it.
Owned the Bda-2 for 3month, wanted to like it, but the Bda-1 sounded better to my ears.
Bought the Bda-3, had it for one year, with the BDP-3 and Oppo 103.
Its a very good dac, but as you I mostly use cd rips and high res pcm(I use BNC).
And to my ears Bda-1 is still the best sounding dac for those files.
:thumb: Sometimes, newer is different, not always "better".
YMMV as usual.
Have you tried an AES cable?
cheers
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:thumb: Sometimes, newer is different, not always "better".
YMMV as usual.
Have you tried an AES cable?
cheers
Used AES/EBU with Bryston BDP-3, but I sold the BDP-3.
My Lumin D1 only have BNC out.
I have bought and tried a lot of DACs since I bought the Bda-1, but I have ended up selling them all.
There is something quite special about the sound of the 1 :thumb:
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Used AES/EBU with Bryston BDP-3, but I sold the BDP-3.
My Lumin D1 only have BNC out.
I have bought and tried a lot of DACs since I bought the Bda-1, but I have ended up selling them all.
There is something quite special about the sound of the 1 :thumb:
Definitely agree about the -1 being right. I guess once you've found the gear that sounds perfect for your rig, stick with it.
BNC is great. I used BNC for my BDP/BDA combo for a while, before getting AES. Now I can just switch back/forth using my Bryston remote. In many cases, I hear very little difference. In some cases, AES gives slightly better soundstage. But I'm too engaged with the mojo of the music to notice 95% of the time.
cheers
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To be honest, since I have owned the BDP-3 along with the BDA-3, I am preferring USB through both the SP-3 and the BDA-3. :o
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Hi,
I had an Esoteric K-03x that had the AK4495S chip. As you see in the picture below you were allowed to change filters or turn it off.
I understand that bryston wants a certain sound. But it would be to their advantage to offer more options to increase market share. They can
sell the BDA-3 with the filters set the "bryston recommended way" and make a note of such in the manual. Then let the ones who like to play, play.
I have had the same experience where one filter sounds the best overall. But i have also found that filter did not sound as good on another
system.
But bryston always improves on the next generation, and we may see filter selection/ digital volume control among other things.
I thinks it's smart business to be able to offer the bryston sound, with the option of letting people tweak a bit.
(https://www.circle.com/image.php?id=186230)
Hi!
If the menu says the filter is "off", then surely it is off. Unless of course it isn't and Teac thinks this would be easier to understand. As with every other machine that has a selectable digital filter, "off" no doubt means "default filter setting" which is typically the one giving the best measurements.
There is NO digital/analog conversion within a delta-sigma modulator without filtering applied.
The other part of your post regarding whether Bryston should allow for different filter settings is a matter of opinion. I personally wouldn't have any use for this but you might think otherwise. I'd much rather they added a second AES3 input.
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi!
If the menu says the filter is "off", then surely it is off. Unless of course it isn't and Teac thinks this would be easier to understand. As with every other machine that has a selectable digital filter, "off" no doubt means "default filter setting" which is typically the one giving the best measurements.
There is NO digital/analog conversion within a delta-sigma modulator without filtering applied.
The other part of your post regarding whether Bryston should allow for different filter settings is a matter of opinion. I personally wouldn't have any use for this but you might think otherwise. I'd much rather they added a second AES3 input.
Cheers!
Antun
Hi,
I assumed wrong that it was indeed off, but as you point out, it is actually a default filter setting.
The reason i was looking at the off function, is because i have built a standalone windows server using an HDplex chassis and an outboard linear power supply.
It has no fans or motors in it. All solid state. I output from the server to an IFI iusb3.0 and then into the BDA-3.
The program i use on windows is called HQplayer. This program allows you to select different filters/dithering, and any type of up sampling you want.
So the idea was to turn off filtering in the DAC and have it all controlled by HQplayer.
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Hello, James.
There are 52 pages of posts in this thread, and I don't wish to spend an hour or two reading through them. Please tell me what is special about the BDA-3 DAC.
I use my Mac Mini as source, and usually stream Tidal. 98% of my music is CD quality.
Regards,
Michael
Hi Michael, I also use a modified (linear power supply) Mac Mini with Audirvana with embedded Tidal with my recently acquired BDA-3. I have a really good USB chain between the Mac and the BDA-3 with two very good USB cables linked together by an Uptone Iso Regen and LPS 1.2. I'm coming from a R-2R dac and I was a bit skeptical that the Bryston will be able to match the sheer musicality of my old multibit dac that have a reputed Amanero 384 USB input. But to my surprise, the BDA-3 bested it in every imaginable way. It's even smoother and at the same time more detailed. It's a non-fatiguing music machine. BTW, I sold a well regard NAD M51 to get my old R-2R dac after comparing the two. I told to myself then that I will stick with R-2R and forget about delta sigma dacs. I'm happy I gave the BDA-3 a chance. A big bonus for me is since I got the BDA-3 I sold all my audio HT stuff and upgraded my two channels system because I plugged my Blu-Ray player, cable box and Mac in the HDMI inputs of the BDA-3 and I don't think I lost anything in clarity in dialogue of films or broadcasts. For me, really good stereo is as much satisfying as my old 5.1 setup by my neighbors won't regret my subwoofer!😁 Bottom line, the BDA-3 is a terrific performer and extremely convenient piece of equipment for acting as the heart of my system.
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Hi Folks,
The 5 filters available on the AKM 4490 chip.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=186236)
And the winner is... :lol:
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I would like to try a Synergistic Research Blue fuse in my BDA-3.
If anybody can tell me the value of the fuse I should purchase, it will be very kind.
Regards.
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I would like to try a Synergistic Research Blue fuse in my BDA-3.
If anybody can tell me the value of the fuse I should purchase, it will be very kind.
Regards.
What would a fuse make a difference in the sound quality when a fuse only comes in play when their is a power surge or malfunction and the fuse blows to keep from damaging the unit. :o All you need is a little discernment along with common sense. Don't fall for it.
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I would like to try a Synergistic Research Blue fuse in my BDA-3.
If anybody can tell me the value of the fuse I should purchase, it will be very kind.
Regards.
They used to have the fuses in the manual. But now they don't.
You could call Mike Pickett, he should know, or open the unit yourself.
If you change it let us know your findings....
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What would a fuse make a difference in the sound quality when a fuse only comes in play when their is a power surge or malfunction and the fuse blows to keep from damaging the unit. :o All you need is a little discernment along with common sense. Don't fall for it.
Please don't start a flame war. Like it or not, in my OBJECTIVE experiments and I made a lot, nearly everything make a difference beeing wall duplex, cables, vibration control, room treatment and FUSES!
If you have already decided that you don't believe that a better made fuse can make a difference in sound WITHOUT trying it then more power to you. I tried it with a skeptical approach and I was convinced. That apply with all tweaks aforementioned. I try and decide if it works or not. Simple as that. You can call it placebo if you want but my ears/brain really believes the improvement! It's all that matter. No?
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They used to have the fuses in the manual. But now they don't.
You could call Mike Pickett, he should know, or open the unit yourself.
If you change it let us know your findings....
I sent two emails to Mr. Pickett but no answers :(
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For anyone experiencing the "pops" when switching between PCM and DSD files, there is a firmware upgrade available that resolved this issue. It's u2015.12a. I got mine directly from Bryston but I believe it is the same update available via the BDA-3 web GUI.
So far the great Bryston sound coupled with the versatility makes this a true winner. Now to see if there are any break-in changes.
I get wicked pops between tracks when playing Van Morrison's Moondance Blu-ray in stereo (24/192) via HDMI.
i can see the HDMI LED turn red before each track then the 'pop' as it locks back in for the next track.
is this a hardware or software issue?
I can go to coax or toslink input but then not getting 24/192
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Oops. Delete.
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I get wicked pops between tracks when playing Van Morrison's Moondance Blu-ray in stereo (24/192) via HDMI.
i can see the HDMI LED turn red before each track then the 'pop' as it locks back in for the next track.
is this a hardware or software issue?
I can go to coax or toslink input but then not getting 24/192
Hi Rang
If you are getting pops then it means your DVD player is not outputting a digital signal between tracks and the BDA-3 is having to re-clock and re-lock in between tracks Some DVD players do this while others maintain the digital signal at all time and therefore no pop
I would recommend COAX or BNC if you want 192/24 capability assuming your DVD player is outputting 192/24 on those outputs
james
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Please don't start a flame war. Like it or not, in my OBJECTIVE experiments and I made a lot, nearly everything make a difference beeing wall duplex, cables, vibration control, room treatment and FUSES!
I've been where you are, so let's start small, with terminology. Your tests are what's referred to as subjective. Objective would involve provable, repeatable, factual numbers from laboratory instruments. Subjective means you are deciding what's better by listening and it is called an opinion because it can't be proven as fact. Another person might not agree with your assessment of what's better or they might.
Subjectivity definitely has a place because without it we would not know which problems are the most unpleasant and should be minimized when a tradeoff is necessary during the design phase. This fuse I imagine does not have any signal going through it and studying how we hear (and see) will clarify why you can hear absolutely everything you change in and around the house reflected in the sound of your system.
The short explanation is that we hear primarily with our brain, not with our ears. (Same with vision, just for the record.) Very interesting stuff, I promise you. It was well known by scientists more than 40 years ago when I studied it. Check it out.
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I've been where you are, so let's start small, with terminology. Your tests are what's referred to as subjective. Objective would involve provable, repeatable, factual numbers from laboratory instruments.
The short explanation is that we hear primarily with our brain, not with our ears. (Same with vision, just for the record.) Very interesting stuff, I promise you. It was well known by scientists more than 40 years ago when I studied it. Check it out.
he said he had done objective experiments. That means measurements.
sidenote: Do you know of the work by Hubel and Wiesel (1960s, visual cortex; 1981 Nobel winners)? Hudspeth (auditory transduction/hair cells)? Great stuff.
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Please don't start a flame war. Like it or not, in my OBJECTIVE experiments and I made a lot, nearly everything make a difference beeing wall duplex, cables, vibration control, room treatment and FUSES!
If you have already decided that you don't believe that a better made fuse can make a difference in sound WITHOUT trying it then more power to you. I tried it with a skeptical approach and I was convinced. That apply with all tweaks aforementioned. I try and decide if it works or not. Simple as that. You can call it placebo if you want but my ears/brain really believes the improvement! It's all that matter. No?
I think you are too sensitive in reading more into my comments than necessary. :roll: :o
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Felas, felas, come on now. I thought I knew a thing or two about power cables, having studied electrical engineering and all of that. That was until I was told/instructed/reeducated to stop believing the science and trust my ears because there is more that we don't know than what we do know. Apparently, electricity has not yet been fully investigated. Damn, I just hope I haven't made any serious mistakes designing those 5 MW bio-gas power plants.
What I ought to be doing is start my own business and reinvent everything - with a HI-FI prefix. Someone really ought to take money from these people before they hurt themselves with it. I am sick of watching others take their money and I want my share. I demand my share!
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I am sick of watching others take their money and I want my share. I demand my share!
Will you buy my cable cooker? :lol: :popcorn:
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Hi,
I assumed wrong that it was indeed off, but as you point out, it is actually a default filter setting.
The reason i was looking at the off function, is because i have built a standalone windows server using an HDplex chassis and an outboard linear power supply.
It has no fans or motors in it. All solid state. I output from the server to an IFI iusb3.0 and then into the BDA-3.
The program i use on windows is called HQplayer. This program allows you to select different filters/dithering, and any type of up sampling you want.
So the idea was to turn off filtering in the DAC and have it all controlled by HQplayer.
Hi mate!
That's a solid plan. Unfortunately, the software itself can only deliver the data to the DAC which then does it's own thing, unrelated to the software. Even audio designers who design DACs (DAC as in a device, not the acutal chip) don't know exactly how the chip processes data. In many cases, modern chips add in the "missing" data before the data is processed. That means even 16 bit audio is processed as 24 bit (or which ever bit depth architecure is used to construct the chip).
Speaking of which, the input receiver chips for USB are a lot more complex than that. XMOS, MediaTek, whomever builds them, they sure know how to complicate matters if you wish to learn more about how they work.
In the end, how did you like your Esoteric player? Do you still have it or do you use something else these days?
Cheers!
Antun
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Will you buy my cable cooker? :lol: :popcorn:
No, but that's a really nice ski mask! :green:
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No, but that's a really nice ski mask! :green:
Balaclava. I keep one atop my BDA. :thumb:
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Hi mate!
That's a solid plan. Unfortunately, the software itself can only deliver the data to the DAC which then does it's own thing, unrelated to the software. Even audio designers who design DACs (DAC as in a device, not the acutal chip) don't know exactly how the chip processes data. In many cases, modern chips add in the "missing" data before the data is processed. That means even 16 bit audio is processed as 24 bit (or which ever bit depth architecure is used to construct the chip).
Speaking of which, the input receiver chips for USB are a lot more complex than that. XMOS, MediaTek, whomever builds them, they sure know how to complicate matters if you wish to learn more about how they work.
In the end, how did you like your Esoteric player? Do you still have it or do you use something else these days?
Cheers!
Antun
Hello,
I really liked my Esoteric K-03x. Spinning disks was a whole new level.
But then i started to use the DAC in the K-03x for digital downloads. I output from the server to an
IFI iusb3.0 and then into the K-03x. The sound quality was very close to what i was getting spinning disks.
So at that point i sold the K-03x to fund another project and bought the BDA-3. The BDA-3 is a great unit and
comes very close to the quality of the K-03x Dac.
If i had the $$$$ i would purchase another Esoteric player. This time it would be the next step up. Probably the K01xs.
My friend has a K-01x and it sounds even better than my K-03x did. I really like the sound of their players.
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Hello,
I really liked my Esoteric K-03x. Spinning disks was a whole new level.
But then i started to use the DAC in the K-03x for digital downloads. I output from the server to an
IFI iusb3.0 and then into the K-03x. The sound quality was very close to what i was getting spinning disks.
So at that point i sold the K-03x to fund another project and bought the BDA-3. The BDA-3 is a great unit and
comes very close to the quality of the K-03x Dac.
If i had the $$$$ i would purchase another Esoteric player. This time it would be the next step up. Probably the K01xs.
My friend has a K-01x and it sounds even better than my K-03x did. I really like the sound of their players.
Yes, I can imagine they sound wonderful. Unfortunately, where I live, they cost a lot more than they do in Japan or the States so I never actually heard one or even seen one in real life.
That said, I think my preference would go towards Denon top models like the DCD-SX1. But they too cost a lot. I admire the workmanship and long-lasting value of Japanese high-end machines. No one can make them like the Japs, that's for sure.
But it's also good to know you're enjoying your BDA-3!
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Felas, felas, come on now. I thought I knew a thing or two about power cables, having studied electrical engineering and all of that. That was until I was told/instructed/reeducated to stop believing the science and trust my ears because there is more that we don't know than what we do know. Apparently, electricity has not yet been fully investigated. Damn, I just hope I haven't made any serious mistakes designing those 5 MW bio-gas power plants.
What I ought to be doing is start my own business and reinvent everything - with a HI-FI prefix. Someone really ought to take money from these people before they hurt themselves with it. I am sick of watching others take their money and I want my share. I demand my share!
I realized long ago that it's really a waste of time to get into debates with scientists and/or cables/tweaks non-believers and I promised myself to not go into this trap again. I failed. I shouldn't have respond to gbaby reply. My bad. This subject is even more polarizing than religion and politics in this hobby.
I have some pretty good arguments for my case but that won't change your opinion and your arrogant post won't change mine. If you want my money, send me something I can try with money back guarantee as all purchases I made and if it make an improvement in my system to my ears/brain and the price make sense in correlation of the improvement, I will gladly give it to you. Easy way to make money no? Especially for a high profile engineer as you.
I assume you have stock wall duplexes, stock power cables and interconnects with components laying around on glasses shelves. Well, I can tell you one thing. If it's the case, you never heard the true potential of your components whatever the design. NOT EVEN CLOSE. How I know that? Because I DARE to experiment, even with a more then skeptical approach at first. In your case, ignorance is bliss I guess.
Sigh...I only wanted to know the value of a fuse. Wrong forum. I won't pollute anymore.
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Sigh...I only wanted to know the value of a fuse. Wrong forum. I won't pollute anymore.
Did Mike Pickett get back to you? He's usually fast.
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he said he had done objective experiments. That means measurements.
sidenote: Do you know of the work by Hubel and Wiesel (1960s, visual cortex; 1981 Nobel winners)? Hudspeth (auditory transduction/hair cells)? Great stuff.
I did not imagine that he measured performance differences between AC receptacles that would improve the sonic characteristics of audio components and therefore assumed it was a case of the wrong term.
I don't recall reading those but they sound very interesting, no pun intended. Are there links by any chance?
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I don't recall reading those but they sound very interesting, no pun intended. Are there links by any chance?
Hi
Try this to start:
https://www.nobelprize.org/uploads/2018/06/hubel-lecture.pdf
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/1981/hubel/lecture/
For Hudspeth's work on the inner hair cells of the ear:
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrn3786
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2724262/
cheers
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I realized long ago that it's really a waste of time to get into debates with scientists and/or cables/tweaks non-believers and I promised myself to not go into this trap again. I failed. I shouldn't have respond to gbaby reply. My bad. This subject is even more polarizing than religion and politics in this hobby.
I have some pretty good arguments for my case but that won't change your opinion and your arrogant post won't change mine. If you want my money, send me something I can try with money back guarantee as all purchases I made and if it make an improvement in my system to my ears/brain and the price make sense in correlation of the improvement, I will gladly give it to you. Easy way to make money no? Especially for a high profile engineer as you.
I assume you have stock wall duplexes, stock power cables and interconnects with components laying around on glasses shelves. Well, I can tell you one thing. If it's the case, you never heard the true potential of your components whatever the design. NOT EVEN CLOSE. How I know that? Because I DARE to experiment, even with a more then skeptical approach at first. In your case, ignorance is bliss I guess.
Sigh...I only wanted to know the value of a fuse. Wrong forum. I won't pollute anymore.
LOL! It is never a good idea to judge according to your own standards. Therefore, everything you have assumed is wrong. Consider moving your post to a more humorous thread. People "who just know" are fantastic to make fun of at lectures and seminars.
Cheers!
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jeesh, just marked the centennial of the end of one war, let's not start another, boyz.
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Hi Rang
If you are getting pops then it means your DVD player is not outputting a digital signal between tracks and the BDA-3 is having to re-clock and re-lock in between tracks Some DVD players do this while others maintain the digital signal at all time and therefore no pop
I would recommend COAX or BNC if you want 192/24 capability assuming your DVD player is outputting 192/24 on those outputs
james
Thanks James,
That makes sense.
I’ve heard the term ‘gapless playback’, now I understand its importance.
My CXU can output 24/192 via SPDIF and is set that way, in fact the the DAC ‘sees’ it but as soon as the disc is inserted it goes to 48K. It look like that’s whats on the disc on LPCM.
The 24/192 is Dolby TrueHD, I think. So this is quirk with the disc itself.
Other Bluray audio discs have not had the same issue.
Still learning the nuances of the various formats and resolutions but loving the DAC.
Though the key feature for me was DSD playback via HDMI, I think the biggest improvements might be on 16/44.1 redbook
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Thanks James,
That makes sense.
I’ve heard the term ‘gapless playback’, now I understand its importance.
My CXU can output 24/192 via SPDIF and is set that way, in fact the the DAC ‘sees’ it but as soon as the disc is inserted it goes to 48K. It look like that’s whats on the disc on LPCM.
The 24/192 is Dolby TrueHD, I think. So this is quirk with the disc itself.
Other Bluray audio discs have not had the same issue.
Still learning the nuances of the various formats and resolutions but loving the DAC.
Though the key feature for me was DSD playback via HDMI, I think the biggest improvements might be on 16/44.1 redbook
Hi Rang
I agree with a superb DAC most people do not realize how good standard CD 16/44 can sound!
james
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James wrote: "I agree with a superb DAC most people do not realize how good standard CD 16/44 can sound!"
I guess that's why my BCD-3 reproduces RedBook CDs with such accuracy. Its DAC is a transfer from the BDA-3.
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I’m hearing a smooth 3 dimensionality that draws me into the music.
I forget the DAC is there, which is probably the best compliment I can give it :thumb:
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Hi Rang
I agree with a superb DAC most people do not realize how good standard CD 16/44 can sound!
james
I think 44.1/16 sounds more natural. I am impressed the way the BDP-3 plays back redbook .aiff files through the BDA-3. I'm also liking USB digital playback through both the BDA-3 and my SP-3.
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Just wondering, can I use a Bryston remote to control the volume of BDA-3? Though I know it might not be ideal sound wise.
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Just wondering, can I use a Bryston remote to control the volume of BDA-3? Though I know it might not be ideal sound wise.
Hi
No the BDA3 does not have a volume control.
james
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It is interesting how listening sessions in showrooms are conducted. They usually use the best possible recordings they have to present the gear they sell in the best possible light. However, I have often found it is precisely average-sounding recordings that reveal the most about the gear. In particular, one of the best traits of Bryston's BDA-2 D/A converter is the way it handles CD-quality audio. It presents it with consistent accuracy and quick trainsients. In my experience, almost any D/A converter will sound fabulous with excellent and/or high-resolution recordings but they won't be so great if you feed them an average recording, which most of them are.
While I won't claim there is no difference between CD-quality and high-resolution recordings, because there usually is, I think the differences are actually less evident with BDA-2 doing the decoding than with some other converters I have listened to. I assume it has to do with the way this converter was designed - only time-proven techniques were used where all the bases were covered (power supplies, circuit layout, discrete analog circuit etc.). It performs very consistently so the conclusion must be whoever designed this converter knew exactly what he/she was doing.
I don't know how many of you use older technology like DAT or MD but connected to such devices, I can only say BDA-2 performs very consistently there too, which is something I could never say for some other converters I have used. MD uses Atrac compression at 292 kbit/s but sounds very close to CD's 1411 kbit/s. I have explored many levels of this converter and am still discovering new things. I think James is having nightmares whenever he gets an email from me asking him to answer a dozen questions!
Cheers!
Antun
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...is the BDA-3 Roon ready? :scratch:
al.
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Nope, the BDP players are roon ready
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...is the BDA-3 Roon ready? :scratch:
al.
Hi Alex
Yes the BDA-3 DAC has been tested by ROON and is approved.
james
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Ops... sorry abut that... I guess Roon's website it's not updated
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Any update on new matching universal player?
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...a Bryston universal player ? hmmm....
would be interesting to know if there is a new BDP-4 on the road???
al.
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Any update on new matching universal player?
Hi,
Universal player?
james
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Hi,
Universal player?
james
:D yes please for BDA-3.
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Hi Georgios
If you mean a player that does audio and video I do not think that market will be very viable given that streaming services are taking over the world.
james
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Hi Georgios
If you mean a player that does audio and video I do not think that market will be very viable given that streaming services are taking over the world.
james
True. But a CD/SACD dedicate transport with HDMI/AES output will be nice. Moon/Ps Audio and some other companies are still making transports so maybe there is still some room?
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187678)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187679)
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187678)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187679)
That is fantastic :-) congrats Bryston!
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It's great to see the praise still coming in for the BDA-3. I've had mine for more than a couple of years and have never thought about upgrading my DAC since.
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It's great to see the praise still coming in for the BDA-3. I've had mine for more than a couple of years and have never thought about upgrading my DAC since.
I have the same feeling - the BDA3 is very special and easy to live with :thumb:!
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I've been off-line for awhile have there been any software updates for the BDA3 this year?
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I've been off-line for awhile have there been any software updates for the BDA3 this year?
Hi
No updates.
james
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDA-3 DAC – Customer Germany
Hi James,
I thought it over and just could not resist. I finally ordered the last BDA3 that was available at Avitech in Vienna. That should be it for the next 10 years 😊
James, it sounds fantastic!
I compared a Mytek, T+A, Sugden, Violectric and the Bryston BDA3. The Bryston is by far the best. Also nice: older recordings do sound good. With the T+A these not-ideal recordings cannot be heard at all. A lot of money – but I am very happy with the DAC.
Merry Xmas!
Holger
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I purchased 2 DSD 256 recordings from Native DSD. I have them on the internal hard drive of my BDP-2 and attempting to play through the USB of the BDA-3. No
thing responds. I downloaded the same recordings in DSD 128, and both are playing back fine. I thought the BDA-3 could decode DSD 256? Is there something I'm not doing correctly?
David
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Hi David, maybe the problem is bdp-2, which can't stream Dsd as BDP3 does. So it worked with dsd128 but not for dsd256
My two cents
Cheers
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Grant,
It works fine with DSD 64, DSD 128, and DXD, files which I have on the internal BDP-2 drive. I wonder if DSD 256 need to be on an external drive and come in through USB to the BDP-2 (then out via USB to BDA-3, which is the current set up). Anyone?
David
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I think Grant is right. Try streaming it directly from your computer to the BDA-3 (via direct USB cable).
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Hi,
I'm looking to get an SoTM SMS-200 as a Roon endpoint to connect to my wonderful BDA-3 via USB. Does it make sense to get the Ultra (which has the extra sCLK-EX clock board) versus the standard version...? Or does the BDA-3 reclock the signal no matter what so any job the sCLK-EX clock would be doing would be a waste of money?
Also, if anyone has any experience with this combination, I would be very interested in knowing if a power supply upgrade makes a big difference in combination with the BDA-3 - if any at all.
James Tanner, any feedback from you would also be greatly appreciated!
Thanks so much!
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Hi,
I'm looking to get an SoTM SMS-200 as a Roon endpoint to connect to my wonderful BDA-3 via USB. Does it make sense to get the Ultra (which has the extra sCLK-EX clock board) versus the standard version...? Or does the BDA-3 reclock the signal no matter what so any job the sCLK-EX clock would be doing would be a waste of money?
Also, if anyone has any experience with this combination, I would be very interested in knowing if a power supply upgrade makes a big difference in combination with the BDA-3 - if any at all.
James Tanner, any feedback from you would also be greatly appreciated!
Thanks so much!
Hi
Yes the BDA-3 re-clocks any incoming signal.
james
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Hi
Yes the BDA-3 re-clocks any incoming signal.
james
Thanks James... so, just to confirm, the extra sCLK-EX clock board is pretty much useless in this case?
I noticed with past dacs that some change sound significantly depending on the source power supply, while others not that much. Should the power supply of the source have any effect with the BDA-3?
Thanks for all your input,
M.
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Hi
I do not think the source power supply would affect how the BDA-3 handles the incoming signal unless the power supply was wholly inadequate.
james
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Be interested to know if anyone has ever tried this unit with a BDA-3 or if JT would consider it a viable upgrade for the BDA-3?
http://www.titansaudiolab.com/en/products/Helen/Helen.html
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Hi
I do not think the source power supply would affect how the BDA-3 handles the incoming signal unless the power supply was wholly inadequate.
james
Thanks James!
How about the reclocker, does it help with the BDA-3 ? As a broad question, not just for the SoTM. - Do reclockers on the USB signal path to the BDA help in any way / change the sound in any way or not?
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Thanks James!
How about the reclocker, does it help with the BDA-3 ? As a broad question, not just for the SoTM. - Do reclockers on the USB signal path to the BDA help in any way / change the sound in any way or not?
Hi,
I can not see how it could improve things.
James
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Hi,
I can not see how it could improve things.
James
What about a unit that reduced Jitter like the one I posted James?
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Hi
If you look at the reviews on the BDA3 the jitter is unmeasurable with even the best test gear.
I am not a fan of passing signals through extraneous devices when not necessary.
James
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Hi
If you look at the reviews on the BDA3 the jitter is unmeasurable with even the best test gear.
I am not a fan of passing signals through extraneous devices when not necessary.
James
James, in your experience with the BDA-3, does it sound the same when playing the same bit-perfect file from say Macbook Pro/iMac (USB) vs. the USB out from BDP-3, or even the AES from BDP-3. Is there still a difference (big/subtle/very subtle/non-existant) between the inputs (AES vs. USB) and does the same input sound different depending on the source (USB via laptop vs. BDP-3)?
Thanks!
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James, in your experience with the BDA-3, does it sound the same when playing the same bit-perfect file from say Macbook Pro/iMac (USB) vs. the USB out from BDP-3, or even the AES from BDP-3. Is there still a difference (big/subtle/very subtle/non-existant) between the inputs (AES vs. USB) and does the same input sound different depending on the source (USB via laptop vs. BDP-3)?
Thanks!
Hi
Yes I think the BDP still has the upper hand when it comes digital playback over all in one computers.
I prefer USB and use it at all the shows - AES is a close second and sometimes I get confused when doing A/B's between the 2.
james
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Hi
If you look at the reviews on the BDA3 the jitter is unmeasurable with even the best test gear.
I am not a fan of passing signals through extraneous devices when not necessary.
James
Thanks for your reply James.
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Hi
I prefer USB and use it at all the shows - AES is a close second and sometimes I get confused when doing A/B's between the 2.
james
You too. :lol:
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Hi
Yes I think the BDP still has the upper hand when it comes digital playback over all in one computers.
I prefer USB and use it at all the shows - AES is a close second and sometimes I get confused when doing A/B's between the 2.
james
Hi James,
I understand the differences between the electrical constructions and power considerations, however, if the BDA-3 already re-clocks all signal and ignores the usb power (if i understand this correctly), how exactly is the BDP (or any other high quality player) superior to a computer? Could you please elaborate a bit on this?
As a side note: I use a headless (only Roon installed) Mac Mini as a player. When I connect my projector to the Mac Mini which is connected via USB to the BDA-3, there is a lot of very audible noise from coming from the BDA. So I guess noise from improperly shielded or built devices can get through - my question above is aside from these things or the playback software, convenience aspect, etc...
Thank you!
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Hi, anyone using Channel D's Pure Music with the BDA-3? My current set up for playing digital files is a MacMini to an Oppo BDP 105 via USB. Thanks, Mike
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Hi James,
I understand the differences between the electrical constructions and power considerations, however, if the BDA-3 already re-clocks all signal and ignores the usb power (if i understand this correctly), how exactly is the BDP (or any other high quality player) superior to a computer? Could you please elaborate a bit on this?
As a side note: I use a headless (only Roon installed) Mac Mini as a player. When I connect my projector to the Mac Mini which is connected via USB to the BDA-3, there is a lot of very audible noise from coming from the BDA. So I guess noise from improperly shielded or built devices can get through - my question above is aside from these things or the playback software, convenience aspect, etc...
Thank you!
Hi
Yes I think noise is the issue even though the signal is reclocked and resampled by the DAC.
The BDP-3 Digital player is really an optimized computer for digital music playback including all the things you mentioned like proper power supply and circuit layout to reduce noise etc. The thing with generic computers is we have found there are a lot of processes going on in the background that you are just not aware of that can affect performance - Widows KMIXER is an example.
I would say though that an educated computer person could certainly setup their MAC or Windows computer to emulate what the BDP-3 does. I see the BDP-3 as a way for our customers not to have to bother with the complexities of normal computers.
james
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Yes I think noise is the issue even though the signal is reclocked and resampled by the DAC.
The BDP-3 Digital player is really an optimized computer for digital music playback including all the things you mentioned like proper power supply and circuit layout to reduce noise etc. The thing with generic computers is we have found there are a lot of processes going on in the background that you are just not aware of that can affect performance - Widows KMIXER is an example.
I would say though that an educated computer person could certainly setup their MAC or Windows computer to emulate what the BDP-3 does. I see the BDP-3 as a way for our customers not to have to bother with the complexities of normal computers.
James,
Thank you for taking the time and answer all these questions!
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Can the BDA3 be upgraded if a new HDMI standard is defined??
al.
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Can the BDA3 be upgraded if a new HDMI standard is defined??
al.
I would assume so but too early to tell.
james
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Hi
Yes I think noise is the issue even though the signal is reclocked and resampled by the DAC.
The BDP-3 Digital player is really an optimized computer for digital music playback including all the things you mentioned like proper power supply and circuit layout to reduce noise etc. The thing with generic computers is we have found there are a lot of processes going on in the background that you are just not aware of that can affect performance - Widows KMIXER is an example.
I would say though that an educated computer person could certainly setup their MAC or Windows computer to emulate what the BDP-3 does. I see the BDP-3 as a way for our customers not to have to bother with the complexities of normal computers.
james
Hi James!
That's a very honest reply!
However, I must be honest too and say I spent a lot of money getting my PC to a point where I'd be satisfied with it performing as a dedicated music platform. This was prior to buying a BDP-1. After buying the BDP-1 and listening to it for a few months I went back to the computer and realized music coming from the BDP-1 sounded less strained. In essence, I realized all the money I spent on that PC was in vain.
Sadly, even if you buy a specialized power supply with passive cooling, specialzed cooling system for the CPU that makes no noise, select all the hardware components for minmial electromagnetic interference and have all the software installed by a certified Microsoft professional (fortunately, a friend on mine did all the software work), it will still not sound as good. You might get 90% of the BDP-1/2 performance but you won't really get all the way there.
In the end, it depends on how much you're willing to spend. Advantages of a PC are expandability even though you're still have to deal with software and potential problems with it not performing it's best and there could be a thousand reasons for that. Every time Microsof issues an update, it is automatically installed onto the system and this usually causes some problem. Not always, but it does happen frequently.
BDP-1/2 don't suffer from these problems but it does cost more. I now own a BDP-2 even though there were really zero improvements over the BDP-1 in terms of audio quality. The reasons for upgrading were rather pragmatic and again - software related. The BDP-1 just couldn't handle my home network without interrupting the playback.
As always, it's horses for courses.
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi James,
If Streaming will be the main Music Source, is the BDP-Pi the right partner for the BDA-3?
Gumby
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Hi James,
If Streaming will be the main Music Source, is the BDP-Pi the right partner for the BDA-3?
Gumby
Hi Gumby
If streaming yes the Pi should work well. The BDP-3 would give you more connection flexibility but unless you have multiple sources the Pi should be fine.
james
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=190012)
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James I've just bought a streamer forgetting my BDA-3 only has one Coax input-would there be any downside using an adaptor from Coax to BNC?
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James I've just bought a streamer forgetting my BDA-3 only has one Coax input-would there be any downside using an adaptor from Coax to BNC?
As far as I can tell, no.
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James I've just bought a streamer forgetting my BDA-3 only has one Coax input-would there be any downside using an adaptor from Coax to BNC?
Should be fine
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Hey James , any update on the GUI for changing/selecting filters
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Quote from: mav52 on 11 Jan 2016, 06:20 am
I'm interested in knowing if the 5 filters that are in the AKM 4490 are user accessible in the BCD-3.
From the AKM4390 spec."
"Five digital filters are integrated into the AK4490: a short delay, sharp roll-off filter and a short delay, slow roll-off filter for minimum delay, a sharp roll-off filter and a slow roll-off filter for no phase shifting, and newly integrated super slow roll-off filter with emphasized characteristics provide a wide range of choice in digital filters. " http://www.akm.com/akm/en/aboutus/news/20140501AK4490_001/?link_id=link109
if so talk about flexible
Not currently but in the future we will have a GUI to allow it.
james "
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James any update on this ?
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Hi
No sorry we have not had much call for it so have not spent a lot of time on it so far.
james
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Am about to pull the trigger on a BDA-3. A question arises, how to tune internet radio stations? I own (but dont use JRMC). Any ideas?.
Thank You.
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James any changes of view on MQA and the BDA-3 ?
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James any changes of view on MQA and the BDA-3 ?
Hi
No change at our end.
james
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Hey James , any update on the GUI for changing/selecting filters
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Quote from: mav52 on 11 Jan 2016, 06:20 am
I'm interested in knowing if the 5 filters that are in the AKM 4490 are user accessible in the BCD-3.
From the AKM4390 spec."
"Five digital filters are integrated into the AK4490: a short delay, sharp roll-off filter and a short delay, slow roll-off filter for minimum delay, a sharp roll-off filter and a slow roll-off filter for no phase shifting, and newly integrated super slow roll-off filter with emphasized characteristics provide a wide range of choice in digital filters. " http://www.akm.com/akm/en/aboutus/news/20140501AK4490_001/?link_id=link109
if so talk about flexible
Not currently but in the future we will have a GUI to allow it.
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James any update on this ?
I’ve studied the BDA-3 circuit board design visually. Pins 6,8 and 9 on the AK4490 control the digital filters. It appears to me they are hardwired for one filter response: it appears they chose Super Slow Rolloff.
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I’ve studied the BDA-3 circuit board design visually. Pins 6,8 and 9 on the AK4490 control the digital filters. It appears to me they are hardwired for one filter response: it appears they chose Super Slow Rolloff.
Hi Rob
The AK4490 is setup for software control, not hardware control.
The commands to change the filters are a function of software changes not hardware.
The default digital filter used is 'Short Delay, Sharp Roll-off'
James
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Does the BDA-3 continuously draw power from the USB bus or only for an initial handshake?
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Does the BDA-3 continuously draw power from the USB bus or only for an initial handshake?
Hi John
The USB bus in the BDA3 is self-powered and does not draw any power from any attached USB device.
james
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Just got my BDA-3.
I find the LED brightness quite distracting.
Any way to dim these ?
Also, I Did not know you could get with blue LED's (until looking here) but those are probably too bright as well.
The blue LED is blue/red (magenta for amber I guess) ?
Thanks
Todd
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None of the LEDs are red that I’ve noticed.
In certain circumstance a couple have been kind of pink, like the blue and red are mixed.
Bright?
Maybe, but with my other gear also having blue (or blu-ish) lights the BDA3 fits in great
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Don't know about the blue version but the green/red version is too bright.
The standby red LED is 2x brighter than other similar LED's on my other equipment.
When power is On and there are 4 green LED's it is too much.
Hopefully James Tanner has a fix.
Todd
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Don't know about the blue version but the green/red version is too bright.
The standby red LED is 2x brighter than other similar LED's on my other equipment.
When power is On and there are 4 green LED's it is too much.
Hopefully James Tanner has a fix.
Todd
Hi Todd
Never heard this before but contact Mike at Bryston - I think there is a way to reduce the output intensity.
mpikett@bryston.com
james
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I think there is a way to reduce the output intensity.
O please let us all know.
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O please let us all know.
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Talk about your first world problems. James, if this is what people are complaining about, you’re doing alright.
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Talk about your first world problems.
Yes, a minor issue and I have a slight fix for it anyway.
I forgot that long ago on my BDA-1, I removed the connections to the power LED.
The power LED is really not necessary since one of the input LED's will always be On if power is On.
I was used to just 3 green LED's when power is On and locked to a signal.
With the BDA-3 I found a simpler solution.
I removed the front panel circuit card and just put a small piece of black electrical tape over the hole in the front panel hole where the power LED is.
This is the inside of the Aluminum front panel !
The LED's do not go into the front panel hole like they did on the BDA-1.
They are surface mount LED's that each has its own little foam pocket to block light from any adjacent LED.
Was about a 10 minute job total and if I ever want to go back this is easily reversible.
Now with only 3 green LED's when locked, it is not so bright.
I will be posting more comments on the operational quirks and sound of the DAC over the next week.
Before that I do have one question.
Why does Bryston state that the inputs are galvanically isolated when this is not the case ?
On both my BDA-1 and the BDA-3 the coax inputs are transformer coupled but the ground return is NOT isolated !
Todd
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Hi Todd
The coax ground return is connected to chassis ground, not system ground.
James
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Hi Todd
The coax ground return is connected to chassis ground, not system ground.
James
Got it. This would prevent ground loops inside the box.
I was always wondering...
Thanks
Todd
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I will be posting more comments on the operational quirks over the next week.
OK, I wanted to hear back from Bryston (contacted Stan B & Mike Picket) before posting here.
Here are my 2 main operational issues or quirks with the BDA-3.
FYI:My unit is connected via coax S/PDIF and HDMI to an Oppo Udp-205.
The Oppo HDMI output is from the "audio only" HDMI output set to bitstream.
The Oppo S/PDIF output is set to PCM.
First issue is the loud pop when I switch from PCM to DSD.
Obviously this only happens on the HDMI input as the Oppo does not output DSD on coax.
Once I'm locked in DSD mode it works fine (no pops).
I though this was fixed quite a while back.
No comment from Bryston.
Second issue is when I power up the Oppo and play something in PCM format the BDA-3 has no output.
It shows the input and lock LED's as green but no sample rate LED (all off).
If I either power Off/On the BDA-3 or change to an unused input and back, it will then lock, show sample rate an have an output.
The same is true on HDMI.
If I turn Off the Oppo and back On the BDA-3 once again will not work.
I also have an BDA-1 that would default to the 32k sample rate when the same Oppo was first turned On.
It would however switch to the correct sample rate (44 to 192k) and output without an issue when a file is played.
Perhaps the Oppo's default 32k locks up the BDA-3 ?
Bryston's comment is "The BDA-3 does not support 32khz sample rate and BDA-1 did".
I'm not asking the BDA to support 32k but it should recover with a proper 44k to 192k PCM signal and not lock up !
All of the above also happens when I tried an older Oppo BDP-105D.
So, If I want to play SACD/DSD I must:
Mute my pre-Amp first, start to play the SACD or DSD file until the BDA-3 locks on DSD and is past the pop.
Stop and un-mute the pre-Amp and start to play the track again.
If I want to play PCM I must:
Turn on the Oppo and play 44k to 192k PCM.
Turn on the BDA-3 (to avoid the lockup) and again re-start the track.
That is some buggy operation IMHO.
I think at least the 32k lockup can be fixed with firmware ?
Todd
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Hi
If your player does not put out digital ‘o’ s in between changes in the digital format then you will get a ‘click’ with the HDMI.
Some players maintain a digital signal in between changes and some do not
James
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Hi
If your player does not put out digital ‘o’ s in between changes in the digital format then you will get a ‘click’ with the HDMI.
Some players maintain a digital signal in between changes and some do not
James
The loud POP is only when switching between PCM to DSD.
Once it is locked in DSD mode there are no more pops either at the start of playing or between tracks.
This could be the Oppo doing something strange ?
My other issue at startup of the Oppo and 32k is of more concern to me.
I have looked thru all the settings in the Oppo to see if there is some default Coax sample rate but other than Off (no use there) nothing solve the issue.
Todd
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The loud POP is only when switching between PCM to DSD.
Once it is locked in DSD mode there are no more pops either at the start of playing or between tracks.
This could be the Oppo doing something strange ?
My other issue at startup of the Oppo and 32k is of more concern to me.
I have looked thru all the settings in the Oppo to see if there is some default Coax sample rate but other than Off (no use there) nothing solve the issue.
Todd
Hi Todd
Correct it’s when it changes from one format to another - DSD to PCM
James
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Hi Todd
Correct it’s when it changes from one format to another - DSD to PCM
James
OK, enough of the HDMI DSD popping issue. I can live with that as DSD is <10% of my content.
On coax input, the BDA-3 should recover from the 32k sampling rate (instead of locking up) and continue to play the 44k to 192k PCM format.
instead I have to either change inputs or power cycle the BDA-3 to get it to output.
This is an issue that really does need to be addressed !
BTW: James thanks for your support on this forum.
it not often we see someone at your level within an audio company have this level of responsiveness !
Todd
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Ok I will send this to the engineer that designed the DAC to see if there is anything that can be done.
Do you have a lot of 32k content?
james
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Do you have a lot of 32k content?
james
I have no 32khz content (I don't even know what content is @ 32khz).
The Oppo UDP-205 or BDP-105 both default to 32khz at startup.
The BDA-3 locks up and does not recover unless I power off and On again or switch an output and back.
From my earlier post:
When I power up the Oppo and play something in PCM format the BDA-3 has no output.
It shows the input and lock LED's as green but no sample rate LED (all off).
If I either power Off/On the BDA-3 or change to an unused input and back, it will then lock, show sample rate an have an output.
The same is true on HDMI.
If I turn Off the Oppo and back On the BDA-3 once again will not work.
Interesting note is if I go from 32khz at startup to SACD/DSD the unit will pop and then play (clears the lockup at 32khz).
Thanks
Todd
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The loud POP is only when switching between PCM to DSD.
Once it is locked in DSD mode there are no more pops either at the start of playing or between tracks.
This could be the Oppo doing something strange ?
My other issue at startup of the Oppo and 32k is of more concern to me.
I have looked thru all the settings in the Oppo to see if there is some default Coax sample rate but other than Off (no use there) nothing solve the issue.
Todd
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Sorry to have hogged this forum for the last page.
Update: My Oppo lock issue is gone on HDMI (still locks on SPDIF coax).
Don't know what I did but it always works on HDMI now ?
My LED's are now blue (with help from Mike P. at Bryston). This is just a solder jumper that changes LED's from green to blue.
Not recommended for everyone as you need some basic soldering skills and equipment !
This should have at least been a $.05 jumper plug, but even that would require someone to remove the cover and they may not have the correct Torx bit.
Something at this price point should either have a switch in the back or a LED color config in the web browser (my $.02).
The blue LED's are not too bright either !
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They used to have two separate systems, one green, one blue. So this has been an improvement. Perhaps in the next version/iteration they can make it software or hard-switch adjustable. That certainly would be nice.
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Hello BDA-3 owners!
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Hi All,
I need help.
I've a new PC replacing the one I was using with BDA3 (mini PC dedicated to audio), which I used with foobar2000. the previous one worked flawless with Windows7, but I had to change it and the new one run Win10.
I've reinstalled foobar 2000 with Asio Driver as suggested by BDA3 manual, but I can't make it play dsd anymore… they are marked on BDA3 panel as 176k. this for .dsf files and Iso as well.
dff files aren't played at all :(
any help on the correct foobar settings for this great DAC?
thanks!
GH
PS: let me know if I have to open a new thread...
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also, I forgot to mention that I've installed all the usual foobar components (at least I believe I did)
but the very strange thing is that the volume is MUCH LOWER now with this new PC…. I have tried to play a CD via BDA3 (spdf) and i plays at usual volume, when I change the input on USB the volume gets so low that I've to turn it to the max and still it's low… everything is the same as before, I've just changed the PC which is connected with a USB cable to the DAC... of course I've installed the Bryston driver for Win10 downloading it from the website.
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also, I forgot to mention that I've installed all the usual foobar components (at least I believe I did)
but the very strange thing is that the volume is MUCH LOWER now with this new PC…. I have tried to play a CD via BDA3 (spdf) and i plays at usual volume, when I change the input on USB the volume gets so low that I've to turn it to the max and still it's low… everything is the same as before, I've just changed the PC which is connected with a USB cable to the DAC... of course I've installed the Bryston driver for Win10 downloading it from the website.
Did you try the plug-ins mentioned here: http://help.nativedsd.com/en/articles/94982-foobar-2000-and-playing-dsf-audio-files
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Did you try the plug-ins mentioned here: http://help.nativedsd.com/en/articles/94982-foobar-2000-and-playing-dsf-audio-files
Yes... I’ll try to download and install again
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Hello "Anyone" whom could help.
I purchased a BDP-3, BDA-3 combo and received yesterday (new). I installed a 2TB SSD (Samsung 860 EVO) into the unit myself (formatted using NTFS in my Windows computer and uploaded my music collection). Firmware came with latest (as using shipped from Bryston on Friday). However, I am having several issues.
1. Music stops out of the blue randomly and I have to hit play again (sometimes song starts at beginning again). Some flac files do not play where they did play on my mac using Audirvana no problem.
2. No matter what I do, I cannot get Tidal to work. Login credentials are there and tested. I can search artists, and select a song (shows playing), but no sounds and the DAC USB1 channel is lighting up, but the Lock and PCM lights are all off. When I go to my library and select a flac on the internal SSD, it plays (but again sometimes stops randomly).
These problems are driving me a little bonkers and could not find any help in Google for this.
All help appreciated.
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Solved #1 after reading the BDP-3 manual! My bad. You need to select output in Tidal settings to USB DAC (in this case BDA-3). It showed up loud and clear on my desktop.
About #2, issue doesn't seem to be there at the moment, but will watch closely!
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Hi All, Still trying to figure some things out with the BDA-3.
Trying to access my internal SDD storage (as mentioned in above comments) and having no luck. SAMBA service is enabled and cannot see the drive on Windows or Mac. I tried to do the Manic Moose NAS instruction and still can't see the drive. Really trying to get new files onto the SSD! I enabled all sharing services on my Windows PC, still nothing.
HELP!
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Hi All, Still trying to figure some things out with the BDA-3.
Trying to access my internal SDD storage (as mentioned in above comments) and having no luck. SAMBA service is enabled and cannot see the drive on Windows or Mac. I tried to do the Manic Moose NAS instruction and still can't see the drive. Really trying to get new files onto the SSD! I enabled all sharing services on my Windows PC, still nothing.
HELP!
Hi shawn
If your running Windows 10 you should check out this article written by WD
https://support-en.wd.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4155
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=198959)
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: BDA-3 DAC Gets A+ Rating - Stereophile’s Recommended Components
September 2019
Bryston BDA-3 DAC … A+ Rating
The first Bryston DAC to offer DSD compatibility, the BDA-3 supports the SACD format via its four HDMI inputs, and DSD128 to DSD256 via USB. (PCM performance, including user-selectable upsampling in multiples of 44.1 and 48kHz, extends to 384kHz; DoP is also supported.)
Twin AKM DAC chips are used, as are completely separate paths for PCM and DSD data.
Using an Oppo BDP-103 universal BD player to listen to SACDs through the Bryston BDA-3, LG remarked that "spatial performance was sensational, with wider, deeper soundstages than heard from my SACD player on its own," and praised the Bryston's overall performance for delivering "superbly effortless, delicate, subtly revealing, tube-like analog output from a variety of digital file formats and sample rates."
Writing from his test bench, JA singled out for praise the BDA-3's extremely low levels of noise and distortion and "superb" resolution—close to 21 bits, and concluded that it …
"offers measured performance that is as good as digital can get."
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Glad I've got one!
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Glad I've got one as well! :D
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Party of 3 :D
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As Bruce Springsteen once sang,...
Keep it goin' boys!!
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Party of 4 :D
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How about an upgrade program to the BDA -3.14 for BDA 3 owners?
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How about an upgrade program to the BDA -3.14 for BDA 3 owners?
Hi
i am sorry that is not possible as the Chassis, Circuit Boards and Rear Panel are all different on the 3.14.
james
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Party of 5 , almost a year now :D
What’s a 3.14?
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Party of 5 , almost a year now :D
What’s a 3.14?
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=165423.0
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I have never plugged my DAC with a Ethernet cable. Are there updates that I need if everything functions great or sound quality updates? Thanks
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Hi Folks,
Thought you may find this post by Doug at SoundStage Magazine interesting.
Doug SoundStage Schneider
Potential high-end audio trend -- with FLAC-based PCM streaming now from Qobuz and Amazon Music HD, I believe there's a new marketing opportunity available for companies that DID NOT adopt MQA into their digital-to-analog converter designs.
For example, in many MQA-compatible DACs, the digital filter is the same for MQA material AND straight PCM material -- but it may not be the best filter for PCM (i.e., what's coming out of Qobuz and Amazon Music HD). Some companies did not take this approach and DO NOT use the MQA filter for everything. But a number of other companies do use it for everything -- and if people start dropping Tidal w/MQA for Qobuz and/or Amazon Music HD with straight FLAC-based PCM, we might see an upsurge in the desire for non-MQA DACs because they perform better.
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+1 👍
Very astute of Doug to pick up on that. When you optimize for MQA, you may be sub-optimizing for everything else.Not good for those not interested in MQA.
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+1 👍
Very astute of Doug to pick up on that. When you optimize for MQA, you may be sub-optimizing for everything else.Not good for those not interested in MQA.
Not all that great for people interested in MQA either. Even if one chooses the MQA version of an album every time it’s available, that doesn’t mean EVERY album they’ll listen to is available in MQA. There’s far more non-MQA stuff than there is MQA stuff.
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Excellent catch, Doug! Makes me feel better about my non MQA Dac.
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My system is all separated components.
What is the main advantage to choose the BDA3 from now on?
Are you not diminishing the market value of the BDA3 with the 3.14?
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My system is all separated components.
What is the main advantage to choose the BDA3 from now on?
Are you not diminishing the market value of the BDA3 with the 3.14?
Hi Christo
If you are just interested in the DAC section of the 3.14 then it is identical to the BDA-3. If you want the best performing Digital Player though then it is the BDP-3 Player in combination with the BDA-3 DAC.
james
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Upgraded my BDA-1 to BDA-3 this week. Very happy with this upgrade!
My brother in law is also happy as he purchased my BDA-1!
Two happy campers listening to more music.
My Bryston gears served me well for the last 10 years and looking forward to many more.
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Hi Christo
If you are just interested in the DAC section of the 3.14 then it is identical to the BDA-3. If you want the best performing Digital Player though then it is the BDP-3 Player in combination with the BDA-3 DAC.
james
Has anyone compared the BDA-3.14 with the combination of the BDP-3 and the BDA-3 DAC? Has the BDA-314 the same issues with HDMI as the BDA-3 had, or are they resolved in the meantime? If only the BDA-314 was there before I bought my streamer!
WillyP
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Hi Christo
If you are just interested in the DAC section of the 3.14 then it is identical to the BDA-3. If you want the best performing Digital Player though then it is the BDP-3 Player in combination with the BDA-3 DAC.
james
hi James,
this may have been asked already...but....any thoughts on adding class D amplification to the 3.14...
a little all in one digital machine! would be pretty slick..
thanks!
TJ
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Has anyone compared the BDA-3.14 with the combination of the BDP-3 and the BDA-3 DAC? Has the BDA-314 the same issues with HDMI as the BDA-3 had, or are they resolved in the meantime? If only the BDA-314 was there before I bought my streamer!
WillyP
I own the BDP-3 and BDA-3, and if I were a betting man, I'd bet the separates would sound better than the 3.14 due to separate power supplies and other design technique. With the price clocking 8k in the US, the separates should sound better.
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I’ve always preferred separates,main reason and they do:
What happens when the dac fails,what happens when the server/pre fails.
Beeen their a few times with the dac board toast.
Separates for me and they sound great
BTW have Bdp-2 +Bda-3
Actually a year ago the board in my bda-2 went toast,traded in for the 3.
Bryston replaced-it and it had maybe 2 months before warranty was done
Thanks Bryston for that.
No all in one for me,separates thank you very much.
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I’ve always preferred separates,main reason and they do:
What happens when the dac fails,what happens when the server/pre fails.
Beeen their a few times with the dac board toast.
Separates for me and they sound great
BTW have Bdp-2 +Bda-3
Actually a year ago the board in my bda-2 went toast,traded in for the 3.
Bryston replaced-it and it had maybe 2 months before warranty was done
Thanks Bryston for that.
No all in one for me,separates thank you very much.
I had the BDP-2. Make sure you upgrade its Juiio or wihateve sound card to the new sound card. It makes a difference in the sound to me.
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Did the card upgrade years ago.
Thanks though.
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Did the card upgrade years ago.
Thanks though.
You are straight. 8)
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hi James,
this may have been asked already...but....any thoughts on adding class D amplification to the 3.14...
a little all in one digital machine! would be pretty slick..
thanks!
TJ
Hi TJ
Not really a fan of Class D at this point in time if linearity is the goal.
james
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Somewhat simplistic, but a decent summary of amplification classes:
https://www.crutchfield.com/S-3kPRm36icW3/learn/which-amplifier-class-is-best.html (https://www.crutchfield.com/S-3kPRm36icW3/learn/which-amplifier-class-is-best.html)
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Hi TJ
Not really a fan of Class D at this point in time if linearity is the goal.
james
thanks James. i understand.
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Somewhat simplistic, but a decent summary of amplification classes:
https://www.crutchfield.com/S-3kPRm36icW3/learn/which-amplifier-class-is-best.html (https://www.crutchfield.com/S-3kPRm36icW3/learn/which-amplifier-class-is-best.html)
Class D may be alright for a sub amp. I have two Velodyne subs with them.
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Class D may be alright for a sub amp. I have two Velodyne subs with them.
what's a sub amp? you mean a woofer? :scratch:
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what's a sub amp? you mean a woofer? :scratch:
I have a Velodyne HGS-18 and HGS-12 subs and both have built in amplifiers for sub power.
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When I use the term "sub," I am speaking of both the (sub)woofer driver and its enclosure. The sub can be passive (no amp) or active (built in amp). The class D amps on my Veldoynes are1500 Class D Watts and 3,000 peak watts. I put them both in the same room and I like the effect of a balanced bass response all around. This is highly subjective though.
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^ thanks, gbaby, for the explanation. Have rarely heard it called a sub amp, but now I know. :notworthy:
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When I use the term "sub," I am speaking of both the (sub)woofer driver and its enclosure. The sub can be passive (no amp) or active (built in amp). The class D amps on my Veldoynes are1500 Class D Watts and 3,000 peak watts. I put them both in the same room and I like the effect of a balanced bass response all around. This is highly subjective though.
That's a LOT of watts for a sub.
What do you set your crossover freq at?
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That's a LOT of watts for a sub.
What do you set your crossover freq at?
I set the crossover to 80Hz using the SP3. The Velodyne HGS-18 is -3db @ 16Hz so I guess it takes a lot of power to get that low even though you cannot hear 16Hz, only feel it.
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Hi All,
I am facing an issue on my BDA3 when changing tracks from PCM to DSD (and the other way around too): there is a loud pop from one speaker. input is USB from an external streamer. if the tracks are on a playist, no problems at all.
never had issues when input is HDMI instead.
any help? firmware is updated to latest version (early 2018 if I'm not wrong).
thanks in advance!
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Hi All,
I am facing an issue on my BDA3 when changing tracks from PCM to DSD (and the other way around too): there is a loud pop from one speaker. input is USB from an external streamer. if the tracks are on a playist, no problems at all.
never had issues when input is HDMI instead.
any help? firmware is updated to latest version (early 2018 if I'm not wrong).
thanks in advance!
Hi Grant
Email Mike on this please - mpickett@bryston.com
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Class D may be alright for a sub amp. I have two Velodyne subs with them.
I have the feeling Class D amplification has made advancements in the last decade or so....and can be respectfully used for amplification across the entire frequency range. As James points, maybe not the best choice for linearity but....how do they sound? From a totally non-expert opinion (lol), I believe the 3.14 with a sweet ICE amp at 300 watts or so, would appeal to a wider market, maintain a slick narrow profile, and offer very high quality sound....but maybe I'm off my rocker. Highly likely. 8)
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Hi TJ
Maybe develop an entry level less expensive Bryston product?
james
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Hi TJ
Maybe develop an entry level less expensive Bryston product?
james
exactly. :thumb:
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Hi All,
I am facing an issue on my BDA3 when changing tracks from PCM to DSD (and the other way around too): there is a loud pop from one speaker. input is USB from an external streamer. if the tracks are on a playist, no problems at all.
never had issues when input is HDMI instead.
any help? firmware is updated to latest version (early 2018 if I'm not wrong).
thanks in advance!
Hi Grant,
What streamer are you using? There is a good chance it is the USB Driver.
Mike
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you'd think there would be an automatic muting circuit following the source selector circuitry
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Hi,
I am using an Aries G1 connected with USB on BDA3.
Thanks
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Firmware up to date? I had the same problem when upsampling in HQPlayer through a Sonore MicroRendu, Linux Kernel had to be updated. Have not had a problem with my BDA-3 since.
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Both are updated to the last version... it’s the first thing I did when the problem started..
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Gents, I don’t know why but the problem it’s solved... yesterday it stopped doing the bop when switching to Dsd files... I now hope it will not come back to the previous situation :D
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Do we ever have to do any updates to the BDA3 if everything works. I guess are there updates that come out and what do they do
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Hi all,
Happy camper with my BDP-1 and BDA-1, which (after a bit of a struggle) now happily play roon. Am considering and upgrade to BDA-3.
two questions if I may:
Is there a BDA-4 in planning?
Would the BDA 3.14 be a better idea compared to keeping the BDP-1
TNX
bob
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Hi Bob
No BDA-4 anywhere in sight.
Yes I would go with the BDP3.14 it has much more computing capability and has the BDA-3 DAC as well. Works great as a streamer as well.
james
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Just set up a Chromecast attached to an HDMI port on my BDA3. Now I can listen to Spotify, SoundCloud, YouTube and other apps in better quality sound and not have to use a PC.
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Just set up a Chromecast attached to an HDMI port on my BDA3. Now I can listen to Spotify, SoundCloud, YouTube and other apps in better quality sound and not have to use a PC.
Hi Silver
Can you give me more details - I was thinking of experimenting with Chromecast myself.
james
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Hi James
Nothing special, just plugged a Chromecast straight into HDMI1 and the power into a power point. I’ve got a couple of other Chromecast units plugged into TVs so it was simply a matter of using the Google Home app to set it up. If you haven’t used it before, you need to download the app, change your device to connect to the Chromecast wireless signal, change the Chromecast WiFi to your home WiFi, finish the install, connect your device back to your home WiFi and you’re set to go. I did have a little hassle connecting YouTube (couldn’t see the Chromecast to cast to) but a reboot of the Chromecast fixed the issue. I’ve only tried YouTube and Spotify so far but they work fine. I use Spotify to stream as here in my part of the world, not all streaming apps are available and my internet connection is poor.
I’m thinking of using a USB port on my BDP2 to supply power to the Chromecast so it powers down if I turn the system off. That’s the kind of thing I’ve done with the others by using a USB port on the TV that the Chromecast is plugged into.
Early morning here so I haven’t turned the volume up to hear what it sounds like properly, only enough to hear that it works. I’m hoping the BDA3 works it’s usual magic.
Cheers
Peter
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James, I missed saying one other thing, during setup the Chromecast sends a code to the TV and google home asks you to check the code, I don’t have the BDA3 connected to a TV so I just assumed the code was the correct one and accepted it. Everything went OK obviously.
Peter
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Thanks Peter - much appreciated.
james
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Hi All
one simple question. Any of the HDMI inputs on BDA3 is HDMI Arc4?
thanks, have a nice day
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With the BDA-3 and/or the BDA 3.14 can you view video through one of the HDMI inputs, while you hear sound from one of the either inputs, like USB. For example, if I have PC on HDMI, can I listen to sound via USB?
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With the BDA-3 and/or the BDA 3.14 can you view video through one of the HDMI inputs, while you hear sound from one of the either inputs, like USB. For example, if I have PC on HDMI, can I listen to sound via USB?
According to the manual, yes. At least for the 3.14 this is true, I would guess the 3 would be the same. In fact, you can only get video pass through happening if you have a non-HDMI input selected...
Cheers,
Robert
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Hi All
one simple question. Any of the HDMI inputs on BDA3 is HDMI Arc4?
thanks, have a nice day
Nope.
Cheers,
Robert
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Thank you Robert
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Hi everyone,
got a brand new BDA-3 very recently but unfortunately haven't had the time to enjoy it, as the following day the left channel of my Bryston 4B ST decided to stop working and I had to send it to get serviced :banghead:.
I see a new FIRMWARE UPDATE has just come out yesterday http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDA3/firmware/
and from the Release Notes, it seems a volume control of some sort has been implemented (line 11 in the .txt file). Again, as it was introduced and then eliminated in previous releases, judging from the rel history.
I really hope this means I could change the volume from a remote like the Bryston BR2 or a compatible like Logitech.
For the short time I could listen to it, I battled against the volume control from ROON when playing native DSD files.
It could work ONLY with volume at 100. Any less than that I got static from the speakers.
This is obviously not ok, as you imagine listening and controlling ROON from an iPad or other touch-sensitive control, and inadvertently tapping on the volume and been hit by a wall of static noise! (if that won't damage the speakers).
I don't know if the update fixed this or what other changes it brings.
I contacted Mike on this and waiting for his reply, but thought to post it here too.
I also know of another user who updated his BDA-3 (successfully) but after that, it works ok, but he couldn't access the control web page anymore.
He contacted support and waiting for a reply.
So I am postponing the update until further news.
Any news, hint, solution?
TIA
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Hello all, I have just bought a bda3 from simcoe audio video to add to my bha1 and 4bsst2, and I'd like to set the driver up for my windows 7 laptop, but the manual has bryston.com/drivers which is a dead link. Where can I get the drivers so I can use the dac? Thanks fellas.
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Hello all, I have just bought a bda3 from simcoe audio video to add to my bha1 and 4bsst2, and I'd like to set the driver up for my windows 7 laptop, but the manual has bryston.com/drivers which is a dead link. Where can I get the drivers so I can use the dac? Thanks fellas.
Hi There
Email Mike at Bryston please - mpickett@bryston.com
james
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Thanks James, much appreciated. Ps I absolutely love your gear! I really give your bha1 kudos on headfi.org!
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Thanks James, much appreciated. Ps I absolutely love your gear! I really give your bha1 kudos on headfi.org!
here: http://support.bryston.com/downloads/USB%20Drivers/
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Thank you.
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Any ideas James?
Hi Ola,
Did you ever get this issue resolved? I just tried to update the firmware on my BDA-3 and had exactly the same result. Even thought the msg came back that the firmware update was successful, if I go to the Bryston support page, it still shows the old version of the firmware, even if I click on "Refresh List" in the bottom left hand corner. Also, if I access the BDA-3 with a browser now , I get a msg:
404: File not found
Use MPFS Upload to program web pages
What was your experience in the end?
:scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
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Hey guys, the bda3 arrives today and I'll be running Tidal as the file source. I currently have Tidal configured that controls the output file depth to my benchmark dac3, and I'm assuming I leave the same parameters in place and it will do the same to the bda3? After I install the firmware and have the bda3 hooked up to the laptop I'm assuming I select the bda in tidal as the receiving component and all will be well. Thanks.
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Hi Ola,
Did you ever get this issue resolved? I just tried to update the firmware on my BDA-3 and had exactly the same result. Even thought the msg came back that the firmware update was successful, if I go to the Bryston support page, it still shows the old version of the firmware, even if I click on "Refresh List" in the bottom left hand corner. Also, if I access the BDA-3 with a browser now , I get a msg:
404: File not found
Use MPFS Upload to program web pages
What was your experience in the end?
:scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
Same problem here
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Other than the conflicting msgs about the update and the error msg when I try to access the BDA-3 by computer, everything seems to be working normally. Are you having the same experience ?
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Do we have to do updates? I’ve never had mine plugged into the internet and if so how do you update.
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Same problem here
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Just trying to decide between the BDA-3 and BDA-3.14.
Does anyone use a BDA-3 or 3.14 with a Denon 1930ci (doesn't work) or Oppo BDP-83se connected to HDMI to play SACD?
Thanks
Stay safe
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Hi guys, so the bda3 is great, but every time I plug my system in, the dac does not recognize the computer until I unplug and plug the dac back in, then no issues. Is there something I'm missing here?
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If the computer is asleep and DAC isn't working when it awakens you could try link below.
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-prevent-windows-10-turning-usb-devices
If that doesn't help there is also a setting in device manager. Namely disabling USB power management on HOST USB Controllers.
This forces USB port not to fall asleep when computer goes to sleep. Now this could change the way other USB devices plugged in behave. Usually just they don't turn off anymore to save power.
Trial and error. There are tools that help you determine what is connected to which USB controller.
Cheers
Stay safe
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Ok so I just loaded the latest firmware update to my BDA-3 per the prompt I received when I checked the web page (I check every once and a while for firmware updates). Pulling down the bin file as directed, then loading it to the DAC. The DAC will play, but now I seem to have lost the web page, the virtual front panel, the lot. Not happy about that. On my BDP-3 web page the BDA-3 will show as detected, but clicking on it gets me an irritating 404 error and yet another MPFS Upload prompt (which I've already done). I want my BDA-3 virtual front panel back. I would even revert to the previous firmware if that's what it takes to recover that feature. Anyone know why this is happening or how to correct it?
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The loss of the network interface is a known problem with the 2020.04C firmware. I reported this to Mike Pickett at Bryston on 6/1/2020. The next day, Mike provided me with the previous firmware to allow me to revert to that (network interface functions on that version). He also said he had asked Engineering to look into this issue. On 6/10/2020 I asked Mike for an update, and suggested that they pull the defective firmware from the download page and replace it with the previous version. I received no response to this e-mail. As you can see, the troublesome firmware is still available on the download page.
For everyone that's in the same boat with this defective firmware, I urge you to e-mail Mike at mpickett@bryston.com and let him know that you're experiencing this problem too and that you're not happy with the lack of response from Bryston.
Gerald
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Hi Guys
I was not aware there was an issue with the new software. I will look into it.
james
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I have no idea which firmware I have, (i’ve never touched it, the DAC was purchased in October 2018) but I notice that if the source is turned on before the DAC, the DAC sometimes won’t recognize it.
Is that an HDMI handshake issue? My solution is to turn the DAC on first followed by the universal player.
Also, what do these updates typically do: resolve functional issues? Is there any change in sound quality/characteristics?
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I had the same experience as owlsalum1 and reported it in this thread, but heard nothing from Bryston, even though several other owners indicated that they had also had this problem.
After attempting the upgrade, it is impossible to tell if the firmware upgraded correctly or not because afterwards, you get a msg that the update was successful, yet something has corrupted the interface and if you go to MyBryston, it indicates that the software is still at the older version.
:scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
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I had the same experience during the upgrade, used the Contact Us form at the Bryston website on June 8th and have not heard a peep Not a peep!
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Ok so I just loaded the latest firmware update to my BDA-3 per the prompt I received when I checked the web page (I check every once and a while for firmware updates). Pulling down the bin file as directed, then loading it to the DAC. The DAC will play, but now I seem to have lost the web page, the virtual front panel, the lot. Not happy about that. On my BDP-3 web page the BDA-3 will show as detected, but clicking on it gets me an irritating 404 error and yet another MPFS Upload prompt (which I've already done). I want my BDA-3 virtual front panel back. I would even revert to the previous firmware if that's what it takes to recover that feature. Anyone know why this is happening or how to correct it?
I was able to get the virtual front panel back (web access) by turning the DAC off then unplugging it for 10 seconds. However it still says I’m at the previous release (not the latest).
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It's been two weeks since I reported this problematic firmware to Bryston. With all the other reports of the loss of the network interface on this forum, it boggles my mind that Bryston has not at least removed the defective firmware from their download page while they work on a solution. Actually I'm just assuming they're working on a solution - I still have not received a response to my request for an update from Mike Pickett.
For everyone that has loaded this firmware and has lost their network interface, you can e-mail Mike Pickett at Bryston and request that he send you a copy of the previous firmware. That will at least get your network interface back.
For James Tanner: is there anything you can do to expedite the release of a correctly functioning firmware file?
Gerald
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It's been two weeks since I reported this problematic firmware to Bryston. With all the other reports of the loss of the network interface on this forum, it boggles my mind that Bryston has not at least removed the defective firmware from their download page while they work on a solution. Actually I'm just assuming they're working on a solution - I still have not received a response to my request for an update from Mike Pickett.
For everyone that has loaded this firmware and has lost their network interface, you can e-mail Mike Pickett at Bryston and request that he send you a copy of the previous firmware. That will at least get your network interface back.
For James Tanner: is there anything you can do to expedite the release of a correctly functioning firmware file?
Gerald
Hi Gerald,
Sorry about this I am calling into Bryston tomorrow to sort this out.
james
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I was able to get the virtual front panel back (web access) by turning the DAC off then unplugging it for 10 seconds. However it still says I’m at the previous release (not the latest).
I gave RobL's suggestion a try. Turned off the DAC and unplugged it. Waited around 10 minutes (no particular reason for that duration). Plugged in and turned the DAC on.
No go. Same problem. Frustrating. I'm waiting on Bryston to do the right thing. Get rid of the faulty build in the download folder and replace it with the previous known good build. Were I in charge that could be done in 5 minutes. Really leads me to wonder whether I want to think about any other SW based products from Bryston in the future. I'm an engineer by trade, btw, so this whole thing mystifies me.
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Hi Folks,
The latest software is on the website now.
james
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I was able to update my BDA-3 with the firmwares (yes plural) released today. Make sure you read the file "RecoverGUI.txt" before proceeding. The files you need to use depends on how old your BDA-3 is (Bryston: it would have been good to provide a range of serial numbers to avoid any possible confusion). I had an older unit, so in my case I first flashed the "BDA3_2020_04A_OldMB.bin" file, and after that had finished, I flashed the "BDA3_2020_06C_OldMB.bin" file. My BDA-3 now reports the latest firmware version, and also displays the new volume control option.
James Tanner: If you played a part in getting this released, thank you very much for getting this expedited.
Gerald
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Hi Gerald
Yes I played a part with your help.
james
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James, the instructions for the new firmware leave room for confusion. The text file "RecoverGUI.txt" says:
"Note: firmware revisions destimed for the BDA3 with the older mainboard
(pre 2020, NOT PI-capable) need firmware with revision number that ends
with a capital letter. BDA3.14 and BDA3 sold in 2020 equipped with new
mainboards required firmware ending with a lower-case letter."
However, the firmware files available for download don't include any with a lower-case letter! The files are BDA3.bin, BDA3_2020_04A_OldMB.bin, and BDA3_2020_06C_OldMB.bin. I would guess that maybe the BDA3.bin is the file for the new mainboards, but really you should edit the text file to make this clear.
In addition, the text file instructs you to put the BDA-3 in standby mode before flashing: I was able to do this with mine and still flash it, however another BDA-3 user that I know reports that he was unable to flash his while it was in standby mode.
Gerald
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James, another note about the new firmware: when selecting Help from the Menu options, you get the screen below. It appears as if it's incomplete, as there are placeholders for images that don't load:
Gerald
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210571)
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OK thanks
Will past them on to the software guys.
james
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@GSchrader
Thanks for your instructions. I followed them and was able to upgrade without a problem. If it hadn't been for your note, I wouldn't have thought to read the RecoverGUI.txt file, but would have just barged ahead and tried to download and install the latest dated firmware.
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The recovergui.txt is pretty convoluted and riddled with grammar and spelling issues. Lots of room for interpretation and mistakes. I’m a little surprised and disheartened. In addition, 10 days since I wrote to Bryston’s online Support Contact Us with no response. :nono:
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Hi, I am here turning to James Tanner my email I just sent to Mike, as the autoresponder says he's out of the office and the alternative address given is bouncing emails back due to spam issues.
Just to let you know of my experience, hoping to come to a possible solution:
Dear Mike,
I followed closely the latest firmware update process and release, with the web interface disappearance Gerald experienced and all.
I’ve been exchanging with him messages extensively on the subject in the past days.
I bought my BDA-3 brand new a month ago (May 2020), but the unit still had firmware version 2016.05a.
So it would have been better if Bryston would specify in the firmware update instructions a manuf. date (mine is 2018), instead of a sold date (2020) in order to choose which firmware to flash (ending in capital or lower case letter).
My unit was performing great, all inputs were similar in level, making for a very pleasing user experience.
I remind you I am running ROON ROCK on a fanless NUC i7, USB connected to BDA-3, then Bryston BP20 as preamp, then poweramp.
The only problem, as in my past emails I pointed out and which set me on the road of firmware update, hoping for a solution, was that wanting to stream DSD from ROCK and having BDA-3 set to Device Volume will work only if Volume is set to 100.
Any less than 100, and you’ll be hit by a LOUD white noise (if BDA is set to Native DSD in Roon’s Device Setup) or a very high-frequency hiss (if BDA is set to DoP) from speakers.
As you can imagine, this prevents to play a selection of PCM music (where volume usually is never at 100) mixed with tracks in DSD (where vol needs to be set at 100), without having to change settings in the middle of playing. In any case, a very bad user experience even when playing DSD only or an entire album in DSD, as any casual and unwanted touch to the volume bar (particularly on a touch screen iPad or similar) would cause a blast of noise from the speakers, with the risk of damaging them.
So, when yesterday they came out, I finally managed to two-step update to the latest 2020_06C.
But I’m having a series of issues since. I’ll try to list them here.
- I never managed to reach my BDA-3 via LAN when it’s in Standby mode, contrarily to what is in the instructions. I tried all I could think of: different browsers in my main computer, iMac 27" running Catalina, but also a PC running Windows 7. I can only reach my unit only when it’s ON. I don’t know if this is a problem, even for a fully successful update or not
- SPDIF level (I have a CD Player attached there) is way too high compared to what it used to be with the previous firmware. I need to keep the Volume knob of BP20 preamp at 8-9 hrs for an already high listening volume.
I hoped the volume bar on the web page could be set for each input and tried to adjust it there, but it’s not the case, as it affects all inputs and doesn’t allow for individual levels for each input.
Furthermore, the volume set in the web interface is overrun by pressing UPSAMPLE, which returns the volume to 100, again blasting (this time music) from the speakers.
- if I play a CD (44,1 KHz) from SPDIF, and press UPSAMPLE button, at the first press the LED lights up in RED with no sound; at the second press, yellow LED lights and sound. The manual speaks of green and amber LED.
- Quirk behavior of input selection buttons: at times (particularly with the unit just turned on) with USB is selected, and I press SPDIF, no sound gets out, although LEDs of sample rate and LOCK are lit, showing a signal is present. I manage to get sound from SPDIF ONLY if I press any of the HDMI first (which I don’t have anything attached to).
- With this new firmware, switching ON the unit, and changing inputs, now makes a POP sound from speakers, wherewith the previous firmware the unit was dead silent.
NOT at changing from PCM to DSD or in between sample rates, as I read was the case with some firmware releases, only when switching inputs.
Basically the whole operation and user experience are not as smooth and solid as I would expect from a machine like the BDA-3.
So, I am now undecided on the route to take and I need BRYSTON's opinion on this:
- going forward by staying with this updated firmware, trying to fix the odd behaviors and waiting for a future one if needed,
or
- revert back to my previous release, 2016.05a , which didn’t present any of the above issues? If this is possible and this up and down-grading is safe to do, and the unit can always be restored to a working state in case it gets stuck. I really don’t want to brick it!
One last thing: if DSD definitely cannot have adjustable volume because of the nature of the format and (like I’m starting to believe) there’s no workaround possible within the BDA-3, I think the choice in ROON's Device Setup for the BDA-3 to have Device Volume as a selectable option when choosing Native DSD should be greyed out or prevented to be used.
What do you think?
Looking forward to your reply
thanks
Marco
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Mike Pickett is off work at the moment, meantime I will try to help.
1) Ethernet disabled in standby:
You can also upload and upgrade the firmware in Power on state so it doesn't have to be in standby
redefault the user configuration by issuing the following command from the Web GUI terminal tab:
%2330INIT222.
%2330INITfa.
(wait ~30 seconds until you see the feedback response #30INIT... )
Of course this will work after you restore the Web GUI for the controller.
2) I updated intruction file:
http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDA3/firmware/RecoverGUI.TXT
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GSchrader wrote:
"Note: firmware revisions destimed for the BDA3 with the older mainboard
(pre 2020, NOT PI-capable) need firmware with revision number that ends
with a capital letter. BDA3.14 and BDA3 sold in 2020 equipped with new
mainboards required firmware ending with a lower-case letter."
BDA3 units equipped with with new mainboard sold in 2020 (a small number may have been sold as 3.14 since 11/2019)
use the same software as BDA3.14, available on-line in:
http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDA-3.14/BCON%20Firmware%20Update/
Current release is BDA314_2020_04c.bin
There are no official release since then but some test releases to address some issues
may have been sent by email to certain customers. Some of these releases were compiled
for the old main boards which resulted in the loss of GUI when uploaded over old software.
If you have a new unit sold in 2020 with the Raspberry PI or without,
then you have already installed release 2020 and you can just install
any release for BDA3.14 . It will automatically recognise the presence
or absence of the PI streamer.
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thank you Stan,
at last and least I know why my BDA-3 wasn't available on the LAN when in Standby mode: from the RecoverGUI.txt file: "if Ethernet is disabled in standby (this is to meet the low
standby power <0.5W regulatory requirement when sold in Europe) it is possible to re-enable it by ..."
It's hardly an issue for me, it's actually better if the unit saves energy, but had I known this is to comply with EU regulations, it would have saved me time and headache trying to make it work... also because I only have 1 CAT5 cable near my system, which is usually feeding the NUC and I plug into BDA-3 only when needed.
So no real problem there.
The issues are the ones I described in my previous message, but to recap:
- the unreliable switching from USB to SPDIF, with no audio most of the time, although both inputs are being fed with signal. The only workaround is to press any of the HDMI buttons and then SPDIF, to get sound flowing.
- SPIDF output volume seems higher than USB, making matching inputs levels impossible(this wasn't so evident in previous fmw rel)
- POP sound when unit is turned on or input is set to USB
Can you reproduce these issues?
If yes, could they be fixed? A new rel is on the way?
Finally and failing this, as the major missing feature that led me to update the firmware (adjusting volume in native DSD) is still missing in this latest release (maybe it's impossible given the nature of the DSD format), I'm asking if it's possible to revert to my previous firmware release, 2016.05a, which didn't show these quirks.
TIA
(hope I didn't forget anything)
Marco
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Hi All, With the confusion and trouble associated with updating BDA-3 firmware lately, I wrote the following document. Hopefully this will clarify the update procedure for those who need it and make it clear how to get out of trouble in case of a mistake along the way. Have a great weekend all.
http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDA3/firmware/BDA3%202020-06c%20firmware%20update%20bulletin.pdf
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thank you @gdayton, that's a proper walk-through instruction on the update process and clears from any questions.
Probably is still missing a reference to the units destined to EU market, which turns out cannot be reached on the LAN when in Standby mode.
In the end, I did already manage to update my BDA-3 (bought brand new 1 month ago, s/n < 001084, EU market) to u2020.06c, hoping that the new volume control feature would work in the DSD native, to avoid the (dangerous) white noise I get if BDA-3 volume is not set in Roon remote to 100%, but it's not the case.
Probably this issue is something you should solve together with ROON people.
In fact, this update brought with it some quirks I didn't have with previous rel.
From your introduction in the file you uploaded, I've finally find out that the main feature introduced by the latest firmware is about spurious pops with HDMI inputs (which I don't use hence I wasn't aware of).
In fact, I get pops at switch on the unit, and in order to switch between USB 1 to SPIDF I HAVE to press any of the HDMI first, otherwise the unit is silent, although LEDs are lit and show signal present.
So, if all other features are equal, for the time being, I'd like to revert to firmware rel 2016.05a, which my BDA-3 originally came with.
Is it possible to downgrade from u2020.06C to 2106.05a ? Could I have the file sent to me by email?
TIA
Marco
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Thanks @gdayton! I managed to get the firmware updated! I have one of the early bda3 sets... 000119
But the description for hdmi1 and 3 seems to have error, anyway I can change or reset the input description?
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210641)
Best Regards
Mr. Leong
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@Lwxian,
it happened to me as well, while trying to see if volume could be set separately for each input (which doesn't) and instructions were still referring to 9B amps or others.
By keeping the inputs button pressed for a while on the web interface, you can edit their name. Like me, you might have inadvertently edit them to random characters.
You can do it again and edit the names back to what they were.
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Thanks @marcosax! It works! Amazing! You can actually edit the names!
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If my DAC bought in 2018 has no apparent issues, is there any to need to change the firmware?
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If my DAC bought in 2018 has no apparent issues, is there any to need to change the firmware?
Hi Rang
No stay with the current software on your unit.
james
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James, I have a question for Bryston in regards to the new volume control implemented in the latest BDA-4 firmware. As I have too much gain in my whole system, I need a reduction in gain somewhere in the system so as to be able to run my preamp volume control at a reasonable level above the minimum setting. Currently I am doing this by using a -10 dB reduction in my Nucleus music server via the Roon Headroom Adjustment feature. It floats the signal from 16 bits to 64 bits, applies the gain reduction, and then floats it back down to 32 bits before sending it to the BDA-3.
Now that I have the option to reduce gain in the BDA-3 directly via its volume control, which method do you think would be less damaging to the sound quality - the Roon method, or by using the volume control in the BDA-3? I have no idea how the volume control in the BDA-3 is implemented, but I would assume it's digital?
Gerald
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James, I have a question for Bryston in regards to the new volume control implemented in the latest BDA-4 firmware. As I have too much gain in my whole system, I need a reduction in gain somewhere in the system so as to be able to run my preamp volume control at a reasonable level above the minimum setting. Currently I am doing this by using a -10 dB reduction in my Nucleus music server via the Roon Headroom Adjustment feature. It floats the signal from 16 bits to 64 bits, applies the gain reduction, and then floats it back down to 32 bits before sending it to the BDA-3.
Now that I have the option to reduce gain in the BDA-3 directly via its volume control, which method do you think would be less damaging to the sound quality - the Roon method, or by using the volume control in the BDA-3? I have no idea how the volume control in the BDA-3 is implemented, but I would assume it's digital?
Gerald
Hi Gerald,
Not sure myself - let me check with engineering.
james
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With the new BDA-3 interface, is it possible now to change the IP address using Terminal mode. In looking at the Help/Remote Communication Commands screen, I see the command:
%2330IPADQS.
will display the current IP address of the BDA-3. I would like to hardcode the IP address to be a particular value. Previously, it had to be done through a RS-232 connection. Can it now be done through Terminal?
Thanks.
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Hi Gerald,
Not sure myself - let me check with engineering.
James
Looking forward to any update on this topic, as I too am interested in lowering the BDA-3 output.
I tried by lowering the volume bar in the web GUI introduced with the 2020 firmware, but it resulted in a very unreliable setting, also overridden simply by pressing the Upsampling button on the front of BDA-3, with dangerous (for speakers and ears) and unpleasant sudden boost of volume.
This was one of the reasons I downgraded to 2018.05d, which in my experience is a much solid performer.
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With the new BDA-3 interface, is it possible now to change the IP address using Terminal mode. In looking at the Help/Remote Communication Commands screen, I see the command:
%2330IPADQS.
will display the current IP address of the BDA-3. I would like to hardcode the IP address to be a particular value. Previously, it had to be done through a RS-232 connection. Can it now be done through Terminal?
Thanks.
It is possible, there are a couple of commands you can enter to allow it (I'll PM you them once a I get access to a BDA-3), but otherwise I would suggest setting up IP Address reservation on your router instead. The benefit being its all lot easier to talk to the BDA if you change the router, the ip scheme on the existing router, sell the unit or the unit otherwise ends up on a different network.
Chris
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It is also good networking practice to reserve IP addresses in router.
If not reserving the IP in router, the IP you give it has to be outside the range of IP addresses your DHCP server (in router) provides. Otherwise there could be a conflict and then two devices won't work or potentially the entire network stops depending on router.
If you insist on giving BDA-3 a dedicated IP address then you need to ensure your DHCP server does not give out that address.
So you could assign 192.168.1.100 - 192-168.1.200 to dhcp server (the 1 after 168 can be any number between 1-253)
Then assign one static address between 192.168.1.10 - 192.168.1.99 in the BDA-3.
Good place to start would be the name and model of your router and "how do I reserve IP address" in a google search. Much easier I think.
Bryston tries to make this easy by reserving the name http://my.bryston.com to its ipaddress but this depends on how often the router updates the name to the IP address the BDA-3 has been provided. Which will also improve if you use the reserve IP address for the BDA-3.
I'll get my BDA-3 tomorrow so might add once I get hands on experience.
If your router is under warranty many companies would provide this support through email or phone.
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Thanks, Chris and Book.
For other reasons, I reset my router to Factory Defaults today and reserved an IP address for the BDA-3 before turning it on and it worked like a charm.
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Sorry guys, if this type of discussion regarding the diffrence between AES vs USB inputs on sound quality has been posted before.
Previously I connect the BDP-1 with the BDA-1 DAC via an AES cable only, for all StdRes/CD and HiRes PCM files. Now, I'll be using the BDP-1 with the newer BDA-3 DAC. Also, I just finished ripping my SACD collection into stereo DSF files, whose playback would require DSD connection with the USB cable between the player and the BDA-3.
Should I use both two cables, the AES for non-DSD/DSF or PCM files exclusively and the USB cable for DSD/DSF file exclusively? (I can put each type of files into 2 HDDs, for easier browsing/selecting.) I don't mind doing the input swtiching, though. Or if there's really no sound quality difference between the two types of cabling/input, I would use just the USB for all of my music files.
Please advise, thank you.
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Sorry guys, if this type of discussion regarding the diffrence between AES vs USB inputs on sound quality has been posted before.
Previously I connect the BDP-1 with the BDA-1 DAC via an AES cable only, for all StdRes/CD and HiRes PCM files. Now, I'll be using the BDP-1 with the newer BDA-3 DAC. Also, I just finished ripping my SACD collection into stereo DSF files, whose playback would require DSD connection with the USB cable between the player and the BDA-3.
Should I use both two cables, the AES for non-DSD/DSF or PCM files exclusively and the USB cable for DSD/DSF file exclusively? (I can put each type of files into 2 HDDs, for easier browsing/selecting.) I don't mind doing the input swtiching, though. Or if there's really no sound quality difference between the two types of cabling/input, I would use just the USB for all of my music files.
Please advise, thank you.
I was going to test how good the BDP-1 was with USB cable but unfortunately don't have the correct USB Cable. Only have the BDA-1 so don't know how that compares with BDA-3 though I have heard the BDA-3.
My current listening with USB Windows 10 i7 computer, USB is Hi-Fi quality. However using WavePad Sound Editor (which is not a Media Player) playing a song back un-edited the sound best my best source.
So I suggest you can check it out for yourself. Feed USB from BDP-1 to computer (should work) and try it with and without WavePad which you can download for free. And see if you can hear a difference.
Set your USB out on computer to BDA-3 and change USB Line to DVD quality, you can also change the Master Volume Level, mine is at 85.
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Thank you, Mag for your suggestion.
Having read the earlier posts on this thread, perhaps, I could simply connect both AES and USB cables from the BDP-1 to BDA-3, and while playing the PCM files, just toggle between the two inputs (AES / USB) on the BDA-3 and compare the sound, right?
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On the BDP-1, you can have simultaneous USB and AES output. You may have to enable the USB output on the BDP-1. Open up Manic Moose and go to 'Audio Devices' Tab at the bottom and from there you can enable/disable the following individually: AES, SPDIF and USB (only available if a USB cable is plugged in from the BDP-1 to the DAC).
This way you can compare both AES and USB output directly and toggle instantaneously via the BDA-3.
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I have a BDA-3 that is an early s/n (500's) with u2018.05d firmware installed.
When playing dsd files over USB from a streamer/server configured in native dsd output, I get huge pops between tracks or any other changes to the flow of the music (jump ahead skip to next track etc.).
Does the latest firmware solve this issue ?
I can set the streamer output to Dop (dsd over pcm) and the pops are almost tolerable but would prefer to use dsd native mode.
I see a HDMI fix in the new firmware but no mention of USB.
I previously gave up on HDMI with the OppO player(s) I have but no longer use in this setup and dsd/SACD playback due to popping issue as well.
Don't care about the volume control.
If I do upgrade, I guess I need both the 04A and 06C (oldMB) files ?
Thanks
Todd
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What are you using for a transport?
So when I received my BDA-3 with firmware BDA3_2018_05d.bin I immediately updated to BDA3_2020_06C_OldMB.bin.
With new 6c firmware found it causing pops on start up of Native DSD files and pop at end when switching to another format.
So went straight back to BDA3_2018_05d without in between file. No longer had pops but still somewhat noisy HDMI connections with both Sony and Oppo transports.
Are you sure you are at BDA3_2018_05d?
Correct, to try you would first flash BDA3_2020_04A_OldMB.bin then BDA3_2020_06C_OldMB.bin I followed these directions for my serial number:
http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDA3/firmware/BDA3%202020-06c%20firmware%20update%20bulletin.pdf
Good luck if you aren't at 5d try flashing to it first. I was told 6c went back to engineering my MB is much newer than yours...BTW.
I had popping with a Pi4 running Ropieee, Win10 pc with Asio drivers and a MAC Mini all via USB of course.
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Are you sure you are at BDA3_2018_05d?
What are you using for a transport?
Yes, I checked my firmware (u2018.05d) before writing the above.
I updated it last about a year ago.
I'm using a Volumio Primo USB output to stream files from an attached SSD.
I don't care about using the Oppo players (UDP-205 & BDP105D) via HDMI for music anymore as they are inferior sounding Vs the streamer.
I'm asking if the latest firmware did anything to change pops on USB input ?
May need Bryston to answer this.
I'm not going to update unless I know this will fix native dsd pops.
For now I'm content using DSD over pcm (via USB) as configured from the streamer.
I have tested a couple of times Vs native and don't hear any difference.
I do have to take back what I said about the volume control however.
Some dsd files were cut on the hot side and exceed the scarlet book standard.
Those files with the AKM DAC chip in the BDA-3 will clip I think.
This depends on if the volume is bypassed in dsd mode or not.
When bypassed in dsd mode the delta sigma modulator is also bypassed so that should be the best sounding option as well.
Does anyone with the latest firmware know if volume even works with dsd ?
I may make some dsd test files to check this out ?
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Hello,
I am a new member of Bryston Circle. After months of following discussions on Bryston DACs I have replaced my old but trusty Electrocompaniet ECD-1 DAC/ Singxer SU-1 combo with Bryston BDA-3 DAC.
I was expecting to gain greater resolution and better high frequencies extension, but I did not want to lose bass extension and beautiful mids ECD-1 is known for. Sure, I also wanted to try high resolution files, DSD, connect SACD player using HDMI, etc.
First I just quickly unplugged the AES/EBU cable feeding ECD-1 (coming from Singxer with Mac mini+Audirvana connected to it with USB cable) and plugged it to BDA-3. Well, no revelation there but I did not listen long enough to make more meaningful comparison. I did not buy BDA-3 to listen to it this way anyway. Next I went straight from Mac to BDA-3 using USB cable. Now we were talking difference! Greater resolution and better high frequencies extension were definitely there. At first I thought there was less bass, but I was wrong. The was bass there, at least as extended as I knew it from ECD-1, but much better controlled and with more dynamic impact. Mids were more neutral with BDA-3. They worked well even with my system which is quiet reviling and more on neutral than warm side.
This is a quick summary of my BDA-3 listening experience, but I own it only for few days. I did not experiment much with upsampling and different file resolution yet.
I think Bryston did good job designing this DAC. I am a firm believer that good power supply and analog output stage are extremely important and may contribute more to sound of DAC than selection of particular DAC chip. Maybe this is why I have never liked USB power DACs and I hold to ECD-1 as long as I could.
Thanks to all of you who contributed to this Circle and helped me to make good decision of becoming owner of BDA-3 DAC.
Parsec
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Welcome Sir! :)
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Hello,
New member introduction.
I'm a life-long lover of jazz and classical music and new to high-end audio as of 10 years ago and brand new to high-resolution digital audio (this year). Owner of a Bryston B100-DA integrated amp, Bryston Middle-T speakers, and a VPI HW-19 Mark IV turntable, I have recently purchased a Bryston BDA 3.14. Challenges connecting the BDA to an iMac and ext. HD via wifi and getting the Manic Moose software to work smoothly have led me to discussions here as a guest.
Roddey
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Hey Roddey, welcome to the board!
- Garrett
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Hi Folks,
Do you keep your BDA3 always on or do you power it just when you have to listen to music and then you turn it off? I assume the consumption is low. Some dacs perform better when they’re constantly powered.
Apologies if it has already been asked
Have a nice day
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Keep mine on 24/7
Mike
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Thanks Mike.
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My BDA-3 is switched on only when I'm listening to the system. I have the 12V trigger slaved to my preamp so it switches on and off automatically with the preamp - very convenient.
Gerald
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Always on so it doesn’t loose sync to PC via usb connection on switching inputs.
Since moving to an Allo DigiOne sig as a transport reconnected trigger.
Do not notice a significant difference in sound quality between always on and triggered when I start listening which I believe is the point of question.
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Thank you Bokko - yes, that was the question
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Bought a Lumin U1 mini to use with BDA-3 instead the Digione sig will be on CAM soon.
Thanks stay safe.
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Hi bokko,
This is a side note, I am posting it because of other Bryston customers who may be considering assembling the similar systems.
A better way is to get BDA3.14 with a built-in streamer (PI-3) instead of BDA3. You will find that the sound quality is comparable (if not better in my subjective opinion) then going from an external DAC to BDA3 through USB or SPDIF inputs (and much better of course than HDMI).
BDA3.14 also supports the Roon client player functionality, and it can also play directly from the network drives (NAS) or use on line sources like Tidal or Qobuz. I find the sound quality comparable or better than some more expensive streamers or players, but it is also a very subjective assertion, so people need just try it out for themselves.
Stan
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Thanks Stan
Well my posting here is a double edged sword so to speak.
It will bring others here who are considering the same device. Still no reply to my post for help from Allo side several business days later.
To my way of thinking the only thing I can’t easily check is shorter cables. So thought I would ask if shorter is better or worse. Had a feeling short was bad for BNC.
As for me I considered 3.14 but received a very good deal my BDA-3 unit only a few months old so lots of warranty, couldn’t say no. Knew Class A outputs was what I missing over my RME DAC with same DAC chip. Having heard a friends BDA-2 and BDP-1
Have of 300 dsd albums and need to make sure whatever I buy lets me play them with native playback strategy in Roon.
Jerry
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I think, the best way of playing DSD through Roon in the DSD-Native mode, with BDA3/3.14, is to output it through the USB port (of a PC) into the USB port of BDA3/3.14. The second best would be to play it through HDMI (if you can find a graphics card with HDMI + DSD capable driver).
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Shorter is better for BNC. Checked with someone selling a device on CAM.
Analog SPDIF works fine again. Looks like I didn't reconfirm one of power supplies properly with it.
Many company's are quite responsive in this space...especially when it comes to DSD playback, that's what drew me here.
Mainly looking for a stop gap until the BR-20 is released, at its price point, Streamer, DAC and Pre-amp (with bypass for Home Theater Integration) can't be beat.
The Allo will do, didn't want to spend 1k or more for a streamer ahead of saving for BR-20. Wonder if they have considered full warranty on pre-amp, 5 years on DAC (USB) and 3 on streamer.
Cheers
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Hi folks,
New member here and am pleased to see a thread dedicated to the BDA-3. I've had mine for a couple of years and couldn't be happier with it.
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Does anyone know why Bryston has deleted the BDA-3 downloads (firmware etc.) from their download site?
Gerald
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I would stick with version u2018.05d if thats what you have now if you listen to DSD. Only have a minor sound on HDMI inputs when switching to and from them.
Let Bryston answer where it went.
Summer 2020 they preferred you contacted them before updating.
Stay safe
Jerry
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Hello all,
I have a BDP-2 / BDA-3 combination. I keep hearing the USB connection is audibly superior to the AES-EBU connection.
So........I bought a high quality USB cable to find out.
After removing the AES/EBU cable and installing the USB cable via the USB-1 port on the BDA-3 and one of the 4 ports on the BDA-2........NO SOUND. The USB-1 light does not go green on the faceplate, and none of the lights for the sample rates are on either. I tried connecting at the USB-2 port, and still nothing.
What happened?
Brad
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Turn both units off - turn on the DAC then turn on the BDP-2.
james
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James,
Thanks.
Still no change.
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Not sure why that would be an issue - I assume the cable is OK?
james
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Cable appears to be in excellent condition. The B connector end is standard 4-pin.
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Cable appears to be in excellent condition. The B connector end is standard 4-pin.
OK if you have another cable worth a try just to see.
Chris Rice monitors this forum so lets see if he has any ideas - may be tomorrow though
james
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James,
You found the culprit!
I just now tried a cheap printer cable I had lying around and voila....all good.
Thanks for your help sir.
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James,
You found the culprit!
I just now tried a cheap printer cable I had lying around and voila....all good.
Thanks for your help sir.
I have run into this before where the more exotic cables do not seem to work for some reason. :scratch:
james
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Well I find so much of that is a matter of opinion so I would not sweat it. Still I would like to know why no USB.
If you do not mind email Chris and see if he can dial into your network and have a look. - crice@bryston.com
james
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James,
Thanks.........My error. All is good. Sound is swimming all about in the room. A huge whole note just fell off its staff and clubbed me on the side of the head. Big smiles :D
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Hi there.
Someone here is linux user?
Here an user linux from regular to common and I'm glad to do work my BDA-3 in bitperfect on Gentoo.
I do not use any audiophile dedicated distro because linux is my main OS in almost all boxes what I have.
To achieve bitperfect golas in linux you need ALSA, MPD, a client MPD (I'm using Cantata) and a DAC DSD native capable like BDA-3. No pulseaudio, no resampling, no DoP on DSD files and so.
The front leds of DSD columns lit in ambar colour when I play a DSD from Cantata.
I take this post to ask that the official Bryston website does not have the firmwares and I would like to know what happened. I have installed the firmware version u2018.05d (index.htm-014) on my BDA-3.
Regards.
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I take this post to ask that the official Bryston website does not have the firmwares and I would like to know what happened. I have installed the firmware version u2018.05d (index.htm-014) on my BDA-3.
same here
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Does anyone know why Bryston has deleted the BDA-3 downloads (firmware etc.) from their download site?
Gerald
Hi Gerald!
actually, an explanation would be nice
Marco
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Hi Gerald!
actually, an explanation would be nice
Marco
Hi All,
While all BDA3's perform the same, some use different hardware, including different microprocessors that aren't compatible with every firmware release. This presents the risk of 'bricking' the unit if an inappropriate firmware build is installed, so we decided to remove the files from our download page.
In the event that a firmware update is required, we will send you the correct build, based on the serial # of your unit.
Thanks,
Mike
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James,
You found the culprit!
I just now tried a cheap printer cable I had lying around and voila....all good.
Thanks for your help sir.
Even though the cheap USB cable worked, you still need to compare it to a better cable, just don't use the brand that did not work. There is a difference in the sound for sure.
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Hello all,
I have a BDP-2 / BDA-3 combination. I keep hearing the USB connection is audibly superior to the AES-EBU connection.
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Brad
I'm happy a different USB cable worked for you.
However, I disagree that the USB is better. I feel the AES-EBU is better (though some may have a different taste, and my BDP-2 does have the newer output board).
They are definitely extremely different - so different that I wonder what the engineering issue is with them? One of them cannot be the optimum sound (and perhaps both aren't).
I am loving the AES/EBU sound. I just wonder if there is more to be had, perhaps in a future product.
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The BDA-3 DAC in my BR20 is simply the best DAC I’ve ever heard. Certainly compares with high end products from PS Audio and Chord.
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I’ve got an opportunity to buy a demo unit but in silver.
James, is Mike the man to ask re price to change the face to black?
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I’ve got an opportunity to buy a demo unit but in silver.
James, is Mike the man to ask re price to change the face to black?
Hi fbny
I am surprised there is a demo unit available?
Anyway yes Mike would be the guy - it is not an easy job and it may be a while before we have extra faceplates but give Mike an email - mpickett@bryston.com
james
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Hi fbny
I am surprised there is a demo unit available?
Anyway yes Mike would be the guy - it is not an easy job and it may be a while before we have extra faceplates but give Mike an email - mpickett@bryston.com
james
I figured it wouldn’t be easy with all the buttons, and yes, demo unit available because they’re swapping it and BDP-3 combo out for BDA-3.14.
Doesn’t seem like I’ll buy unless they make the change themselves which of course should raise the price bringing me closer to retail anyway!
As always, thank you and happy Easter if you celebrate.
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I figured it wouldn’t be easy with all the buttons, and yes, demo unit available because they’re swapping it and BDP-3 combo out for BDA-3.14.
Doesn’t seem like I’ll buy unless they make the change themselves which of course should raise the price bringing me closer to retail anyway!
As always, thank you and happy Easter if you celebrate.
Hello,
I have some insight because I swapped the silver faceplate on my BDA-3 for a black one but first I need to introduce myself to be able to post.
I would like to introduce myself.
My name is Patrick and I own several Bryston products ( BDA-3, BDP-3, BCD-3, BDP-17 cubed and 14B cubed).
The faceplate swap was not too difficult just takes patience. The cost was $400 for the faceplate plus the buttons but that was back in 2017.
Hopefully this gets posted and will help you decide if the demo unit price is worth it if you have to change the faceplate.
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Hello,
I have some insight because I swapped the silver faceplate on my BDA-3 for a black one but first I need to introduce myself to be able to post.
I would like to introduce myself.
My name is Patrick and I own several Bryston products ( BDA-3, BDP-3, BCD-3, BDP-17 cubed and 14B cubed).
The faceplate swap was not too difficult just takes patience. The cost was $400 for the faceplate plus the buttons but that was back in 2017.
Hopefully this gets posted and will help you decide if the demo unit price is worth it if you have to change the faceplate.
Thanks Patrick,
fbny17: The pricing for BDA3 dress panel and buttons remains at $400.00, plus shipping.
Thanks,
Mike
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Hi:
I like to introduce myself. I am located in Toronto, Canada. I have many Bryston products: 14BSST, BP26, BDA2, BDA3, BDP2, BP17 Cubed, 7BST and 7B Cubed.
I have a 2018 Bryston BDA3. In 2020, I did a SW update and that was not applicable to prior 2020 BDA3. I had to revert to another version of the SW.
Don’t know if the AES-EBU interface was working prior to the SW update or not as I had not used it previously.
Recently I want to use the AES-EBU interface, but the BDA is not locking onto the signal; I tested the AES-EBU output from my BDP2 to another DAC, and there is no problem.
The link built in the BDA3 for SW update does not work any more, and there is no download from Bryston web site.
I am looking for the latest SW for 2018 BDA3. I am hoping that reinstalling the SW will fix the AES-EBU interface on the BDA3; I don’t think it would have left the Bryston factory if the AES-EBU interface did not work, but I had not used it before.
Please help.
Thanks in advanced.
Regards,
Phil
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Thanks Patrick,
fbny17: The pricing for BDA3 dress panel and buttons remains at $400.00, plus shipping.
Thanks,
Mike
I hope you don't mind but I have one other quick question Mike: How difficult is switching blue LED to green in a BDA-3?
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Hi fbny
I am surprised there is a demo unit available?
Anyway yes Mike would be the guy - it is not an easy job and it may be a while before we have extra faceplates but give Mike an email - mpickett@bryston.com
james
Same question to you James:
How difficult is switching blue LED to green in a BDA-3?
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I believe it is just an internal pin change - Mike would know for sure.
mpickett@bryston.com
james
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I believe it is just an internal pin change - Mike would know for sure.
mpickett@bryston.com
james
Thanks, I've emailed him.
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I believe it is just an internal pin change - Mike would know for sure.
mpickett@bryston.com
james
I've got another question James: I have a BDA-3 coming soon, is there any benefit to keeping my BUC-1 in between the BDA-3 and my Mac mini?
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I've got another question James: I have a BDA-3 coming soon, is there any benefit to keeping my BUC-1 in between the BDA-3 and my Mac mini?
I would say no the BDA-3 will outperform the BUC
james
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So the straight usb connection from my Mac mini isn’t helped by some Rendu type
Device?
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So the straight usb connection from my Mac mini isn’t helped by some Rendu type
Device?
HI
You can try it both ways but I think you will prefer the BDA-3 on its own.
james
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HI
You can try it both ways but I think you will prefer the BDA-3 on its own.
james
Noted, thank you.
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I've received my BDA-3 and I'm loving it so far.
Working my way through the entire thread now as I am having the pop issue described by others when going to DSD from PCM. I'm also realizing that Mac will not play DSD natively only DoP at least not through Roon. And, I'm hoping Mike's answer, when I do receive it, informs me that it is easy to switch the LEDs from blue to green! Otherwise, for now, I'll keep playing music through my lovely new piece of kit!
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Good Day.
Believe you need to check with bryston about doing firmware update.
With my BDA-3 I don’t remember having problem with my Mac Mini while the DAC was running version
u2018.05d with pops
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My unit is a very recent unit, see photo below. My system is off right now so I can't verify the firmware version but I did go to the unit's internal website and it did say the firmware is up to date.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=223898)
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Correct you are running the newer interface mine is about a year older.
When I tried that newer version on my DAC had some problems with DSD playback.
Reverting back to version posted I have had no issue due to DAC
Mine is connected to Lumin U1 Mini, native DSD works fine when connected USB. Just breaking in the AES connection. Very enveloping, warm, analogue sound.
When connected to an Allo Digione Sig mids are more in your face, the sound-field collapsed. Then we are comparing 400/ 550 cdn vs 3k retail.
I did not try Rendu stuff at all paying for software updates is where they lost me. I have a Roon server already so the Mini was best price point for me.
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@James Tanner -- i've been waiting for a black bda-3 for some time now. i've been told that a backlog on black faceplates is the issue. do you know when those are expected?
thanks!
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@James Tanner -- i've been waiting for a black bda-3 for some time now. i've been told that a backlog on black faceplates is the issue. do you know when those are expected?
thanks!
Hi jcn 3
We are locked down for 6 weeks so not sure we can get faceplates - please email Mike at Bryston - mpickett@bryston.com
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Hi jcn 3
We are locked down for 6 weeks so not sure we can get faceplates - please email Mike at Bryston - mpickett@bryston.com
Wow -- somehow I had missed that! Please take care!
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Hi,
did anybody ever try a reclocker between source and BDA 3? I am thinking something like the Mutec MC3+.
See here: https://www.mutec-net.com/product_mc-3-plus.php?lng=en (https://www.mutec-net.com/product_mc-3-plus.php?lng=en)
Can that have an effect on the BDA 3?
Thanks,
Holger
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I haven't tried it, but my experience with the BDA-3 is that my BDP-2 (with latest output card) sounds excellent over AES/EBU, and almost as good over S/PDIF.
However, other sources like a Blu-Ray player via S/PDIF do not sound very good. So, the source matters. I expect this would improve most sources, but may not improve on the BDP-3 as a source.
If you get a chance to try it, let us know.
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Will do. My concern was mainly that if the BDA 3 was internally reclocking the signal (which I just guess it is but do not exactly know) then an external reclocking should not make any difference, right?
But then again it would mean that all sources would sound the same.
I am not using the BDP by the way. I got a minidsp SHD as streamer and use the Dirac live software on it.
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The BDA-3 does reclock the signal, though I don't know the details.
But with these types of connections, the master clock is still in the source. The DAC has to recover the clock. In the old days this used to be via a phase locked loop. There are better technologies today that are considered "reclocking", but they don't fully decouple from the source's clock. They can't, or they would risk data-under-run problems.
This may be why asynchronous USB is becoming more popular (plus the extra data rate and ability to send DSD). In that case, the master clock is in the DAC. However, I find AES/EBU has a deeper more natural soundstage, with less etched highs, in my BDA-3.
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James,
What’s Bryston’s view and position on DSD x8 / DSD 512?
Thanks
Michael
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James,
What’s Bryston’s view and position on DSD x8 / DSD 512?
Thanks
Michael
Hi Michael,
No position other than at some point it becomes 'spec-man-ship"
I have always felt the MASTER done correctly is the determining factor once you reach CD quality.
james
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That and the one album I have at DSD256 is 11GB same album DSD64 is 2.76gb
Thats a lot of space and better be reading from a fast connection or drive...
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James, I have another question about my BDA-3: a Mac mini is my main digital source, does it make more sense to use the HDMI output vs. the USB?
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James, I have another question about my BDA-3: a Mac mini is my main digital source, does it make more sense to use the HDMI output vs. the USB?
It depends on your thoughts about how important lower jitter is. HDMI is much higher than USB.
james
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Noted, thank you.
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Hi, I have a very old BDA3 unit (in the 0001's) running firmware u2015.12a. Normally I would not do anything about upgrading the firmware, but I have always had the problem when switching from a 16-bit source to a 24-bit source (from my trusty BDP-2), the BDA3 shows an orange light and I have to manually switch the SPDIF input back and forth every time this changes. Very annoying.
I've read a lot of this thread where upgrading firmware is discussed and I was looking into upgrading the firmware to see if that problem went away, but I cannot find any documentation referenced here on how to do it or even the firmware bin files themselves.
People link to a PDF where supposedly the instructions are in, but that link is now dead. I can also not anywhere find on the bryston.com site the .bin files. In the (old) web ui, the "File" GUI refers to a dropbox address which no longers exist where supposedly .bin files were to be found at some point.
I am completely at a loss on how to upgrade the firmware here. Can anyone direct me to anyplace where I might be able to find some instructions and even the firmware itself? Should I even bother, and just live with my annoying problem? Like I said, normally I would not bother with it as it works fine in my other usages.
Anyone kind here able to point me in the right direction? :)
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get in contact with Mike Pickett at Bryston. :thumb:
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Certainly follow Brystons advice.
Just sold my BDA-3 and found BDA3_2018_05d firmware was solid and can be run on the old BDA-3's mine was in the low 1000's. Not the new firmware though.
No troubles with switching from 16-24, DSD 64 128 or 256.
Good Luck
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Thanks for the replies. Does anyone know what his email address is?
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Thanks for the replies. Does anyone know what his email address is?
mpickett@bryston.com
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Thanks! :)
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Any chance of Bryston doing a firmware update to the BDA-3 to support I2S? I’m waiting on a PS Audio PerfectWave SACD Transport and to get DSD I need an I2S Dac.
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Any chance of Bryston doing a firmware update to the BDA-3 to support I2S? I’m waiting on a PS Audio PerfectWave SACD Transport and to get DSD I need an I2S Dac.
Hi
No I2S would require a hardware change in the BDA-3.
james
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Thank You James.
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Hi Folks,
Quick question on bda3. I have mine connected to a Cambridge audio CXUHD which is a blue ray player WITHOUT Dac on board. It outputs video on tv via HDMI and audio to bda3 via hdmi and coax. On hdmi I can send DSD stream if I play sacd or pcm up to 192 if I play a blue ray audio disc, depending on the specific disc.
One strange thing is that when I select coax input (SPDIF1) on bda3 it says the rate is 48 while if I switch on hdmi is 96/24 as it should (same blue ray disc of course). I changed audio output on Cambridge settings from 192/24 to 96/24 to bitstream but on coax the rate is always 48. According to bda manual coax input should be able to accept signals up to 96/24.
Any hints?
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Hi All
I haven't flipped through all the posts in this circle yet but I need to introduce myself to be able to use the site's features. However, I'm intrigued by the Bryston BDA-3 or the Bryston BDA-3.14. Does anyone have a strong opinion on the DAC/Streamer combo? Comps I'm looking at are the Aurender A10 (I can find an open box one for a similar price to the 3.14.) I'm also intrigued by the Denafrips Venus II DAC (I'll have to find a streamer for it). In any case, the choices are many and sometimes a bit overwhelming.
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Hi All
I haven't flipped through all the posts in this circle yet but I need to introduce myself to be able to use the site's features. However, I'm intrigued by the Bryston BDA-3 or the Bryston BDA-3.14. Does anyone have a strong opinion on the DAC/Streamer combo? Comps I'm looking at are the Aurender A10 (I can find an open box one for a similar price to the 3.14.) I'm also intrigued by the Denafrips Venus II DAC (I'll have to find a streamer for it). In any case, the choices are many and sometimes a bit overwhelming.
Hi huric9,
Very happy with my BDA3. If you have enough budget, you can add a dedicated streamer as BDP3 or others produced by Aurender Lumin Innuos or Auralic.
If you want all in one box then BDA3.14. My preference is keep them separated
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mpickett@bryston.com
Is Mike away? I've emailed several times to inquire about process to change LED light in BDA3.
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And, on another note, is there any special reason why my BDA3 needs to have the power cord removed and re-seated when I turn it back on in order to recognize the Mac mini connected via USB?
I had resorted to just leaving it and the BP17 preamp on all the time to avoid having to go through the trouble. I'm also wondering if it will happen when I replace the Mac with a Roon Nucleus!
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Hi Folks,
Quick question on bda3. I have mine connected to a Cambridge audio CXUHD which is a blue ray player WITHOUT Dac on board. It outputs video on tv via HDMI and audio to bda3 via hdmi and coax. On hdmi I can send DSD stream if I play sacd or pcm up to 192 if I play a blue ray audio disc, depending on the specific disc.
One strange thing is that when I select coax input (SPDIF1) on bda3 it says the rate is 48 while if I switch on hdmi is 96/24 as it should (same blue ray disc of course). I changed audio output on Cambridge settings from 192/24 to 96/24 to bitstream but on coax the rate is always 48. According to bda manual coax input should be able to accept signals up to 96/24.
Any hints?
Hello!
Your 'quick' question may not have a quick answer :)
The problem is not in the Bryston DAC but rather in the Cambridge bluray player. Obviously, it down-samples everything above 48kHz through the S/PDIF output. This is not uncommon with bluray players and was actually a major downside of this interface in almost all of the DVD players.
Try burning a CD with a 32 and 44.1kHz file and see if the BDA-3 still shows a 48kHz sample-rate.
Remember that the more modern D/A conversion techniques like delta-sigma were actually introduced alongside the first DVD machines, hence the reason why DVD players were thought to sound superior to many CD players of the time. Even if that was the case, the industry never bothered to 'improve' upon the S/PDIF spec to allow for sample-accurate playback. I seem to remember reading a whitepaper about that back in the day and I think the concern was that it would not be compatible with most outboard DACs of the time which, still depending on traditional linear-type converters, would not be able to work properly. Also, because the recording formats of the time such as Digital Audio Tape and MiniDisc did not work with sampling frequencies above 48kHz (with some exceptions), there was no real need to upgrade the specification. Professional industry didn't care either because the 44.1kHz sampling was chosen specifically to correspond to and synchronize well with the video formats of the time which is all they needed.
In a nutshell, Cambridge must have used an either older or cheaper chipset or did not choose to process the S/PDIF signal on the main DSP instead or quite simply didn't care. Still, I must say, I find it odd because I consider the brand something of a digital specialist and for a while, I was considering the same player. If I had actually bought one, I would have had the same problem as you because that is one of the things I would have liked to do with that player.
Sorry for the bad news, mate. At least I hope I managed to answer your question.
Cheers - Antun
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Hello!
Your 'quick' question may not have a quick answer :)
The problem is not in the Bryston DAC but rather in the Cambridge bluray player. Obviously, it down-samples everything above 48kHz through the S/PDIF output. This is not uncommon with bluray players and was actually a major downside of this interface in almost all of the DVD players.
Try burning a CD with a 32 and 44.1kHz file and see if the BDA-3 still shows a 48kHz sample-rate.
Remember that the more modern D/A conversion techniques like delta-sigma were actually introduced alongside the first DVD machines, hence the reason why DVD players were thought to sound superior to many CD players of the time. Even if that was the case, the industry never bothered to 'improve' upon the S/PDIF spec to allow for sample-accurate playback. I seem to remember reading a whitepaper about that back in the day and I think the concern was that it would not be compatible with most outboard DACs of the time which, still depending on traditional linear-type converters, would not be able to work properly. Also, because the recording formats of the time such as Digital Audio Tape and MiniDisc did not work with sampling frequencies above 48kHz (with some exceptions), there was no real need to upgrade the specification. Professional industry didn't care either because the 44.1kHz sampling was chosen specifically to correspond to and synchronize well with the video formats of the time which is all they needed.
In a nutshell, Cambridge must have used an either older or cheaper chipset or did not choose to process the S/PDIF signal on the main DSP instead or quite simply didn't care. Still, I must say, I find it odd because I consider the brand something of a digital specialist and for a while, I was considering the same player. If I had actually bought one, I would have had the same problem as you because that is one of the things I would have liked to do with that player.
Sorry for the bad news, mate. At least I hope I managed to answer your question.
Cheers - Antun
How is his Cambridge going to down sample with NO dacs ?
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How is his Cambridge going to down sample with NO dacs ?
Well, obviously, through the use of sample-rate conversion (SRC) which is done on a dedicated chip or a DSP that any bluray player has. SRC has nothing to do with D/A conversion, even if mostly all modern DAC chips have SRC built-in.
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Well, obviously, through the use of sample-rate conversion (SRC) which is done on a dedicated chip or a DSP that any bluray player has. SRC has nothing to do with D/A conversion, even if mostly all modern DAC chips have SRC built-in.
interesting, thanks
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Hi Antun,
Many thanks for your competent answer, indeed interesting.
I have to decide now if using coax or hdmi when listening disc on the Cambridge connected with the bda3...
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Hi Grant - use COAX - HDMI has much higher jitter.
james
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Hi Antun,
Many thanks for your competent answer, indeed interesting.
I have to decide now if using coax or hdmi when listening disc on the Cambridge connected with the bda3...
Happy to help!
Well, like James said, HDMI has higher jitter. But then, the COAX output on your Cambridge downsamples everything to 48kHz.
You might want to try which one sounds best even though I am pretty confident you wouldn't be able to tell the two apart. On the other hand, if you can't, then you shouldn't worry too much either, right?
If this is critical to you, perhaps you might want to look at some other bluray player to use just for this, though I'd be the last to recommend an upgrade to anyone as I like holding on to equipment for many years.
Cheers - Antun
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James, any chance we can get all asynchronous inputs on a future product and not just USB, so that all inputs could sound the same?
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James, any chance we can get all asynchronous inputs on a future product and not just USB, so that all inputs could sound the same?
No plans on that front currently.
james
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Thank you James and Antun for your suggestions!
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Thank you James and Antun for your suggestions!
Cheers! :thumb:
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I have upgraded from BDA-1/BDP-1 last fall to a BDA 3.14. Needless to say that the sound is more than superb.
I am having some random drop outs issue when playing files from USB hard drive or thumb drive. In the course of an album, the drop outs will happen on mostly each track. The issue seems to be from files that are of 48K-24 bits or higher rate. When the same albums are played from my BDP-1 through the BDA 3.14 DAC SPDIF input, I have no drop out issue. I am not using any third party apps as my only goal is to play files directly from a connected HD using one of the USB ports.
Does anyone having the same issue?
I have tried to contact Bryston twice (email and phone) but didn’t get any feedback from them. James & Chris, what is the best way to have this problemeatic assessed and look at by someone from Bryston?
Cheers,
Daniel
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Usually dropouts occur because the drive is asking for more power than can be provided. I am wondering if its drawing too much current from the Pi3.in the 3.14 whereas the BP1 has more capability. Is there another drive - preferably a thumb-drive you can try?
james
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I have tried 3 HD and 2 thumbs drives. The only thing I didn’t try is a powered HD.
I was thinking about buying a new HD or SSD as a last desperate attempt… :green:
I didn’t think that the drive power consumption could be a function of the bit rate.
It seems to happen on 48K-24 more than on other higher bit rate. I need to investigate that.
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OK let me know how you make out - another option would be to try a NAS.
james
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James,
I have tried a few things.
1-I have put a powered hub between the portable HD an the BDA 3.14. Same result when playing 48K-24 files. Ramdom drop outs by bunch of 2, 3 or 4 at a time. Also confirmed that other bit rate files (44, 96 and 192K) are playing fine.
2-Played the files from my PC shared folders. Same results on 48K-24 files. All good with other bit rates.
3-Swap AC cable, redid test in #1, same results. From this point I am not verifying other bit rates.
4-Connect the BDA 3.14 in AC wall outlet instead of Furutech pwr bar. Same results.
5-Redid test in #1 after removing the network cable. Same results.
6-As it seems that the data stream seems disturbed by some odd thing, I also removed all of the LED lighting from the room. Redid test in #1, same results.
7-Launched and control MPD from an iPad instead of a iPhone. Redid test in #1, same results.
8-Shut down all electronics in the room except the ones needed to perform the test. Same results.
9-I also reconfirmed that all is playing ok when using BDP-1 connected to the SPDIF.
Something odd is happening with these 48K-24 files and the Pi3 data stream of my unit. Files are from different artists and from legit downloads from Bandcamp. I didn’t noticed this issue since recently as 48K-24 seems like a new trend on Bandcamp. When streamed from BDP-1 to the BDA 3.14 SPDIF DAC input all is fine.
Let me know if something else can be tried at this point.
Daniel
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I found that I had the same problem. It seemed to happen when the device was updating the library while I was playing music. If you have a large music collection that can take a while. Try turning off the automatic update on startup.
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Thank you for your suggestion.
Yes, I have large library, near 40K songs.
The automatic Update at start-up feature has been turned off long time ago. I usually do not have much songs in the queue either.
It make some sense that some events could possibly use resources and make the Pi3 to stutter.
I am still puzzled as why it only happens at a certain bit rate.
When looking at the disk information page, is it normal to only see the attached HD and no other internal storage? On the BDP-1, the unit internal SD card storage is also appearing in the disk info page.
I opened another support request via email with Bryston.
Daniel
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This is in recognition of Mr. Norco74's problem. I have the BDP-pi digital player. I bought it in early 2018. My music is on a WD Passport hard-disk drive. I have 46K+ "songs" (really, classical music movements plus a very few actual "songs"). The BDP-pi player is plugged into an Emotiva XDA-2 Gen 2 DAC.
I get dropouts. They are infrequent. Sometimes weeks can go by without experiencing a dropout. When they occur, there are often several within a few minutes. The dropouts are not reproduceable. A replay of the music where I experienced a dropout invariably exhibits no problem. I've sometimes had the impression that newly-ripped files are more apt to have dropouts than older files, but recently I was surprised to experience dropouts in music that I ripped three or four years ago. The non-reproducibility is the most frustrating part of this. I have no way to isolate the issue to the BDP-pi, the Passport drive, the DAC, the software, or the network. 'Tis a mystery!
Edited to add: I don't think my dropout issue is related to the bit rate or bit depth of the files. It's happened with both hi-rez and redbook files.
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@Calypte
You are right with the reproducibility of the issue. The drop outs are not playtime specific, they are random but predictable when listening to some 48K-24 files. Interesting enough, I also noticed that some newer files seems to exhibit the issue more than old ones. After my last debugging session, I sat for a few hours listening to Red Book files ripped ages ago. After a while, the drop outs appeared again and the BDA 3.14 needed a reset to get out of a stalled mode. Not sure how the other units out there are performing but mine seems unstable. All is fine when I use a BDP-1 for digital files playback.
I think Chris opened a ticket at Bryston and I am still waiting to get contacted. At this point, there’s not much I can do as tech support is required.
Daniel
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Hi Folks – given the state of the world this seems rather trivial but a review on the now 6 year old Bryston BDA-3 DAC – up for DAC of the Year 2022.
James Tanner
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=237892)
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@Calypte
You are right with the reproducibility of the issue. The drop outs are not playtime specific, they are random but predictable when listening to some 48K-24 files. Interesting enough, I also noticed that some newer files seems to exhibit the issue more than old ones. After my last debugging session, I sat for a few hours listening to Red Book files ripped ages ago. After a while, the drop outs appeared again and the BDA 3.14 needed a reset to get out of a stalled mode. Not sure how the other units out there are performing but mine seems unstable. All is fine when I use a BDP-1 for digital files playback.
I think Chris opened a ticket at Bryston and I am still waiting to get contacted. At this point, there’s not much I can do as tech support is required.
Daniel
I've had nothing that has stalled the BDP-pi or required a reset. However, based upon your experience, I would hesitate to "upgrade" to the BDP-3.14. The BDP-pi has done everything I've wanted. Well, if there were a way to rip and play multi-channel SACDs in their full glory, I'd be interested.
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Hi Folks – given the state of the world this seems rather trivial but a review on the now 6 year old Bryston BDA-3 DAC – up for DAC of the Year 2022.
James Tanner
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=237892)
Nice!
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Hello to everyone, I currently have a BDA-3.14 which I am enjoying very much. Sometime soon I'm going to get a new BDA-3
and also I'm considering purchasing a Roon Nucleus+ with a large SSD to burn most of my CDs to. Has anyone had experience
with the BDA-3 and Roon Nucleus+ combination. I am new to AudioCircle, so any comments are much appreciated.
Regards,
barts
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I currently have a BDA-3.14 which I am enjoying very much. Sometime soon I'm going to get a new BDA-3 and also I'm considering purchasing a Roon Nucleus+ with a large SSD to burn most of my CDs to. Has anyone had experience with the BDA-3 and Roon Nucleus+ combination.
The BDA-3 (non .14) will accept audio from the USB output on the Roon Nucleus+, which should work fine. Your existing BDA-3.14 can be used over the network as a Roon Ready endpoint.
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I have upgraded from BDA-1/BDP-1 last fall to a BDA 3.14. Needless to say that the sound is more than superb.
I am having some random drop outs issue when playing files from USB hard drive or thumb drive. In the course of an album, the drop outs will happen on mostly each track. The issue seems to be from files that are of 48K-24 bits or higher rate. When the same albums are played from my BDP-1 through the BDA 3.14 DAC SPDIF input, I have no drop out issue. I am not using any third party apps as my only goal is to play files directly from a connected HD using one of the USB ports.
Does anyone having the same issue?
I have tried to contact Bryston twice (email and phone) but didn’t get any feedback from them. James & Chris, what is the best way to have this problemeatic assessed and look at by someone from Bryston?
Cheers,
Daniel
Even though my 3.14 is hard wired, I had a similar problem but only when streaming hi-res flac from my NAS. Normal 16/44 files stream without issue.
I tried different ethernet cables and switches but the problem remained.
Upgraded my NAS to a Melco Storage/Streamer thinking it might be the NAS causing the problem but the problem reappeared with the new NAS.
Next I tried the streamer portion of the Melco which sends the signal via USB into the 3.14 and the problem disappeared. I can now stream any of my local files as well as Tidal without any hiccups.
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Hello to everyone, I currently have a BDA-3.14 which I am enjoying very much. Sometime soon I'm going to get a new BDA-3
and also I'm considering purchasing a Roon Nucleus+ with a large SSD to burn most of my CDs to. Has anyone had experience
with the BDA-3 and Roon Nucleus+ combination. I am new to AudioCircle, so any comments are much appreciated.
Regards,
barts
I am curious as to why you would need a Roon Nucleus to burn CDs? Its seems to cost more than the BDA-3.14. I use dbPoweramp to burn CDs to my BDP-3 on a USB drive and the app is inexpensive and great Does the BDA-3.14 have USB inputs?
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Apologies in advance if the following is a really dumb question.
I have the BDA-3.14 and am really impressed by the DAC part - fantastic upgrade to my system - but the Raspberry Pi section is less than stellar, especially since the last firmware update. Sorry.
I also get drop outs when playing files from a USB stick. I can get them playing again but I have to restart the BDA-3.14 and wait for the Raspberry Pi to reboot. It's a real hassle. (Perhaps some kind of notification/graphical representation somewhere showing the progress of the Pi reboot might be helpful).
I am now playing my music files through the BDA via my Universal Disc Player. The sound quality isn't quite as good as through the BDA-3 pi section but it always works. It's solid.
Selecting inputs remotely (on my tablet) via the Pi is a real drag too. It doesn't always work and I have to keep turning the BDA-3.14 off and on again until it does work.
Am I doing something wrong?
Would it be possible to plug both the Ethernet ports in so I can use the SVC ethernet port to change external inputs remotely, bypassing the Pi section? Perhaps we could have the option to use the Pi on the occasions that I might want to fire it up. (ie. without having to plug and unplug the two ethernet ports all the time).
I just tried doing that via the two ethernet ports on my Wifi mesh pod and blacklisting the BDA-Pi in the mesh app, but the SVC section won't open. I get the menu bar but nothing else.
Any help or advice would be most appreciated.
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Hi Christo
Please send this to Adam - atanner@bryston.com
james
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@christo
Thank for your account on using the 3.14 which is describing my experience with the unit.
A ticket was opened at Bryston on Feb 27 2022 about these drop outs. Not much has happened since then. I have not been contacted by them nor that they communicated they are aware of the mentioned issues and the recent f/w version didn’t solve the issue. I am not sure how Bryston is staffed nowaday but customer service wise this is very disappointing. Nothing indicates that efforts will be made to inquire and solve the reported issue. I am now considering my options to let go the 3.14.
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Please send this to Adam - atanner@bryston.com
I've already raised another issue with him (I've lost access to mybryston.com). Once he deals with that issue, I'll mention the other chronic problems per Norco74's post.
I'm sure he's aware of them and I'm sure he's a fine engineer. It's a great DAC! It just seems like he needs some extra help with the Pi Streamer and MyBryston part - the software.
As Norco74 says, you also need someone to talk to us, the customers, and effectively triage the issues for him.
UPDATE: I deleted all my data from my tablet's Chrome (not just the cache) and that restored my access to mybryston.com
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Thanks - good news.
james
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Any plans to update the BDA-3 DAC. As you said, it is over 6 years old. Any plans?
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Any plans to update the BDA-3 DAC. As you said, it is over 6 years old. Any plans?
Nothing at the moment Steve - in fact our 6 year old DAC just won a 2022 DAC of the Year award!
james
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Is the Pi portion of the 3.14 identical/similar/unrelated to the old BDP-pi digital player/streamer? Other than having a DAC in the same chassis, does the 3.14 do anything that the BDP-pi didn't?
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Is the Pi portion of the 3.14 identical/similar/unrelated to the old BDP-pi digital player/streamer? Other than having a DAC in the same chassis, does the 3.14 do anything that the BDP-pi didn't?
Hi Cal - Depending on the vintage the BDP-Pi - used the Pi 2 originally, followed by pi3, the difference being slightly faster CPU
james
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I have the BDP-pi, s/n 000151.
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The BDA-3.14 definitely has an issue playing hi-rez files! I’ve posted several times and communicated with Chris Rice on a few occasions but the problem persists!
I bought the unit to eliminate a separate pc as a server, now I’m starting to regret it!
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My HD is now connected to my old BDP-1 via USB. The BDP-1 is connected to one of the BDA 3.14 DAC inputs. No more random stuttering while playing hirez files. BDP-1 s/w rev 2.44 2021-06-21. I won’t upgrade to the latest 2.45 2022-03-28.
I also setup the BDP-1 as a NAS point to the BDA 3.14. Will use it as test bed for new s/w when they come out.
Still got no initial contact from Bryston customer support which raise my concerns about the severity of this dropouts issue.
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The BDA-3.14 definitely has an issue playing hi-rez files! I’ve posted several times and communicated with Chris Rice on a few occasions but the problem persists!
I bought the unit to eliminate a separate pc as a server, now I’m starting to regret it!
In this context, is "hi-rez" anything beyond 44/16, or are you talking about very high sampling rates?
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I define hi-rez as anything over 16/44.1 for purposes of this discussion.
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How is it that a BDP-1 has no issues with high rez files, yet the newest BDA-3.14 does?!?
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HI Folks,
These issues are always difficult to solve - we have hundreds of 3.14's out there exhibiting no issues with high res files.
A lot of issues are Network based etc. but unless we can replicate the issue in house or get a specific unit back for service it remains a difficult task.
james
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I have the BDP-pi. I ran into problems with hi-res (greater than 44/16) when I used a USB connection to my Emotiva XDA-2 Gen 2 DAC. I got crackling sounds in addition to the music. I think the DAC was the problem. The booklet talks about using USB to connect to a computer, which I think is limited to 44/16. The DAC dates from 2014. I returned to using a coax connection. The highest-res I can go is 192/24, which is a limit of the DAC, coax, and (I believe) the BDP-pi. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I've had very occasional problems with dropouts. I don't know the cause, as the dropouts are non-reproducible.
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HI Folks,
These issues are always difficult to solve - we have hundreds of 3.14's out there exhibiting no issues with high res files.
A lot of issues are Network based etc. but unless we can replicate the issue in house or get a specific unit back for service it remains a difficult task.
james
I’m guessing that any development towards a replacement for Manic Moose and the MPD has stopped?
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Hi
No we are working on OS3 which will be the new software.
james
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Thanks for the instant reply James!
Sounds very interesting. Will OS3 replace the MPD and MM as an update?
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Thanks for the instant reply James!
Sounds very interesting. Will OS3 replace the MPD and MM as an update?
Yes it will be a new system.
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Patiently waiting 👍✌🏻
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Yes it will be a new system.
Too bad. I guess I am the only one who thinks Manic Moose is fine. :o
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Hi gbaby
I am OK with it as well.
Its come a long way over the past year. :thumb:
james
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Fine with me also, but one thing that I would like to be able to do, is to be able to make a 3-step selection when exploring the music on my NAS. Now, it is possible to select from genre and artist, or artist and album, etc... but not from genre, artist and then album.
(difficult for me to express this in English :D )
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Hi
No we are working on OS3 which will be the new software.
james
Any rough idea of the time line. A year? More? Less?
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Too bad. I guess I am the only one who thinks Manic Moose is fine. :o
One of a few I guess!!🙂
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Any rough idea of the time line. A year? More? Less?
Great question 👌
Hope to get a reliable answer!
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I would say within this year.
james
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That would be great! Thanks again!
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Too bad. I guess I am the only one who thinks Manic Moose is fine. :o
Could you please tell us how you're oplaying music via Manic Moose? Are you using the streamer or via usb thumb drive?
I tried an experiement last week. Seeing as the scratch disk only accepts FAT32 formatted thumb drives, I bought another 32GB USB thumb drive, formatted it as FAT32 and put a load of music onto it and stuck it in the BDA-3.14.
The music files played via this new FAT32 drive play (so far) uninterrupted. I'm really busy so I can't give it a full array of tests. I also played some 32bit/96kHz sound files - no problem.
One side-effect (actually I'm not sure if it's a side-effect or something Bryston have changed on their side) is that Manic Moose no longer lets me change the DAC inputs, which is fine because I have the remote for that. If OS3 jettisons that part of the system in favour of stability, I'm all for it.
Another side-effect I've noticed is that when interacting with MM/myBryston on my cheap Lenovo tablet I keep getting notifications that the signal is dropping out every now and then. This has no effect on playback, only interaction.
I'm not sure if the stability is because of the FAT32 formatting or the virign thumb drive, so I'll keep experiementing with formatting systems and drive sizes until I dial it in (it's kinda fun and the SQ from the streamer is really good + 32GB is hardly enough memory).
On the other hand, my half TB thumb drive which gets written and erased a lot still plays fine on my Universal Dsc Player with zero issues, but resolution is capped at 24bits. But that system isn't online and everything is controlled by a remote, which probably keeps things simpler.
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For the record, The 3.14 doesn’t use the scratch disc. The manual hasn’t been updated to reflect this. I was told by Chris at Bryston when troubleshooting my unit.
FWIW, I use a 1 TB SSD plugged into my 3.14 and it draws power from the unit just like a thumb drive.
I’m having issues playing any files over 16/44.1. Chris has a unit with the same issue and is working on it.
I agree that sound quality is great.
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I use a Logitech remote, no issues
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Success is apparent! The latest firmware installed and no dropouts with hirez files! 👍👍👌
Special thanks to Chris Rice for patience and determination in helping with this issue ✌🏻
Yet another happy Bryston customer!
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It looks like S2.45 2022-05-09 is fixing the issue. Did some extensive listening last night and didn’t encountered any drop outs and stuttering. Thanks to the Bryston team.
I am however still puzzled about the lack of communication from their helpdesk or service dept.. An area for improvement.
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I agree! I’ve been listening to hirez for at least 12 hrs and there’s been zero issues! Chris and the gang nailed this one!👍✌🏻
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For the record, The 3.14 doesn’t use the scratch disc. The manual hasn’t been updated to reflect this. I was told by Chris at Bryston when troubleshooting my unit.
Thanks for the heads up. I removed my FAT32 scratch disk and music thumb drives and went back to my old faithful. I think having the two FAT32 drives plugged in was confusing the system.
The new firmware update seems to have fixed the audio drop out issues. I had a few problems with the streamer a couple of weekends ago, but it seems to have resolved on its own since then.
FWIW, I use a 1 TB SSD plugged into my 3.14 and it draws power from the unit just like a thumb drive.
Huh.. I always assumed those would draw too much power. I'll look into getting one once space becomes an issue on my current thumb drive. Thanks again!
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=241467)
Thanks for the heads up. I removed my FAT32 scratch disk and music thumb drives and went back to my old faithful. I think having the two FAT32 drives plugged in was confusing the system.
The new firmware update seems to have fixed the audio drop out issues. I had a few problems with the streamer a couple of weekends ago, but it seems to have resolved on its own since then.
Huh.. I always assumed those would draw too much power. I'll look into getting one once space becomes an issue on my current thumb drive. Thanks again!
Glad I could help!
By the way... check the current draw on any modern SSD and you’ll find they’re all well under the allowable maximum of 2amps. Capacity is less of an issue.
Enjoy the music! 👍🎶🎼🇨🇦
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I just saw that a few new BDA 3.14 S/W builds have been produced in July and are now available.
I am still running build S2.45 2022-05-09 that fixed the frequent music dropout bug.
Is there anyone on this thread that have actually upgraded and tested S2.45 2022-07-28 build?
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I just saw that a few new BDA 3.14 S/W builds have been produced in July and are now available.
I am still running build S2.45 2022-05-09 that fixed the frequent music dropout bug.
Is there anyone on this thread that have actually upgraded and tested S2.45 2022-07-28 build?
I’ve just downloaded that update and so far no new issues.
I still have to rebuild the Bryston db when I restart the unit, even though I have the settings correct for it to be enabled. ( it used to be a non-issue! )
The name of the source drive is still truncated to Audi from Audio SSD, but that happened a few updates back.
I still can’t play from the favourites list I created or delete it, or delete anything on it. That issue remains.
As for just playback from my HD, no problem. I don’t use Tidal or Qobuz so I can’t comment on that area.
✌🏻🇨🇦🎶🎵🎼
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Thank you @highendfool for your account on the new build.
I could possibly have a go at it next weekend. The most important thing for me has been resolved in the May build.
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The new update seems to be working fine.
An improvement I've noticed is that if I leave my tablet open on the DAC inputs page it stays active for much longer and I don't have to go back to mybryston.com to change inputs. (What I really should do is get new batteries for the remote).
Another thing that might be worth noting, I recently got a MediaLight bias lighting strip for my TV. It's powered by one of the TV's USB sockets but it has this quirk of flashing when the TV is switched off (Put on stand-by) until I manually switch it off via the lights' little remote. If I'm playing some music via the BDA-3.14 streamer (flash drive via the myBryston interface), I will get drop outs whenever the lights flash.
This is definitely not a problem of the BDA-3.14 but rather of the MediaLights and in particular Sony TVs which seem to need to constantly reestablish an HDMI handshake.
If Bryston could come up with a solution for this, I will become a Bryston fanboy for life, as this HDMI handshake issue also plagued me when I used to play music through my old blu-ray player.
I will probably get a remote control on/off power switch so I can kill the TV's power when listening to music, but if you guys have a better idea I'm all ears.
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What is the most recent firmware for the BDA-3? Having difficulty locating it on the website. Also, are improvements in the BDA 3.14 firmware, especially on the DAC side (which I understand is the same DAC as the BDA-3) also being offered for the BDA-3?
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It looks like S2.45 2022-05-09 is fixing the issue. Did some extensive listening last night and didn’t encountered any drop outs and stuttering. Thanks to the Bryston team.
I am however still puzzled about the lack of communication from their helpdesk or service dept.. An area for improvement.
Hello Norco74 can you confirm the BDA 3.14 issue with hi res files is definitely solved? I am considering buying one and I am little worried by the limited performances of the embedded Pi3 which is little outdated (the BR-20 embeds a Pi4).
I guess the issue you reported applied only to external files, is that correct? I mean, as far as I understood, no issues when playing from Qobuz even at 24/192 (hopefully)
Many thanks for any feedback!
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I have no issues with any high res file playback so far. That side of things seems fine over here. All the major kinks AFAIK have been ironed out.
Please note, the streamer is in a Pi module and so, like every other computer in the world, you will need to power cycle it from time to time to put the wheels back on.
If you are considering getting the BDA-3.14, understand also that you will need to feed it internet via an ethernet connection to use the streamer as the OS is located online. You will also need a second ethernet connection to make certain adjustments to the system, inputs etc, especially when you first get the DAC. If your modem is close to where you want to put it, no problem. I bought a small wifi mesh system.
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You will also need a second ethernet connection to make certain adjustments to the system, inputs etc, especially when you first get the DAC. If your modem is close to where you want to put it, no problem. I bought a small wifi mesh system.
Thank you Christo, I feel more relaxed now in my choice ;-)
About the second Ethernet connection you mentioned I think it’s the one labeled “SVC Ethernet” on the rear panel, is that correct? I was wondering what the purpose of that RJ45 port was. Anyway no problem since the router is on the same rack :wink:
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About the second Ethernet connection you mentioned I think it’s the one labeled “SVC Ethernet” on the rear panel, is that correct?
That's right. I think that one connects to the DAC and the other to the Pi streamer.
The streamer is very basic (which I actually like). I only use it to play my Bandcamp purchases. My mate tried to use his Tidal and Qobuz subscriptions on it but was frustrated he couldn't find his playlists; he could only cue up individual albums/tracks. I think you're meant to use something like Roon to unlock those features. I don't stream so.. :dunno:
I haven't worked out how to load internet radio stations in bRadio via a copied link yet and there are tons of settings I haven't even touched so perhaps there is a depth of functionality I haven't explored.
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Hello, just to close the loop, in the end I decided to trade in my BP-26 for a brand new BR-20. As soon as I will get it I will share my feedback on the dedicated thread (can’t wait ! :P)
Thanks again for the info shared so far, they will be helpful anyway!
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Hi Folks - the two Ethernet connections on the back have 2 different functions,
One is for service and updates etc. and the other is for everyday listening etc. You only need to use the one for everyday listening and if you need an update or service, you can move the one Ethernet cable to the other input if required.
It is not recommended that you have both connected at once.
james
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I am a big fan of there BDA-3 and AKM DAC chips in general. I see the original post was 2015. Is there a BDA-4 on the way? I see the AKM production is back "on" with a flagship chip coming with 135dB s/n rating and other measurement advancements from the past flagship AK4499. The BDA-3 uses the AK4490 chips (fantastic implementation). DACs kinda age in "dog years" so just curious.
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Hi mg8 - nothing pending.
james
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Hi mg8 - nothing pending.
james
Thanks!
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I updated the firmware on my BDA-3 in 2021 and it broke so I put it away in the cupboard. Looking to try and fix it now but not sure how to recover the device.
It powers on with green power LED lit and the USB1 is currently lit red but I can't select any other inputs. The DAC has got an IP address but the web interface is not responding.
Any advice as I can't find much help on the Bryston website and they have not replied to any emails I sent over the last 2 weeks?
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Ill have to setup a remote support session to fix this.
Can I have his name and email address?
Adam Tanner
Senior Technician
Bryston, Ltd.
atanner@bryston.com
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Hi all,
I have a BDA-3 and when connecting it via ethernet I noticed that the firmware I have installed is u2018.05d (index.htm-014).
When I go to the Bryston support page, I find that there is a recent firmware 2020-06c.
Is it always a good option to download and install it?
My serial number is 000827.
Regards.
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Ill have to setup a remote support session to fix this.
Can I have his name and email address?
Adam Tanner
Senior Technician
Bryston, Ltd.
atanner@bryston.com
Sorry for the late reply but Adam from Bryston contacted me the next day and after a remote session concluded that the bcon board was corrupted/faulty. He programmed up a new one and shipped it from Canada to the UK which I received on the 5th May. It was easy to install and the DAC is back up and working.
Massive thank you and thumbs up for some absolutely outstanding customer service.
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I've got a BDA-3.14 specific question here. I'm enjoying it a lot now that I've got my system settled (just added a 4B3 power amp) but I've only just now noticed that the streamer maxes out at 24 bit PCM and downsamples anything above that (ie 32 bit).
Has there been a firmware upgrade to allow native 32 bit file playback? Or is that not possible?
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I've got a BDA-3.14 specific question here. I'm enjoying it a lot now that I've got my system settled (just added a 4B3 power amp) but I've only just now noticed that the streamer maxes out at 24 bit PCM and downsamples anything above that (ie 32 bit).
Has there been a firmware upgrade to allow native 32 bit file playback? Or is that not possible?
Hi Christo
I will ask engineering but 32 BIT is irrelevant from a performance perspective relative to 24 BIT.
james
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I've got a BDA-3.14 specific question here. I'm enjoying it a lot now that I've got my system settled (just added a 4B3 power amp) but I've only just now noticed that the streamer maxes out at 24 bit PCM and downsamples anything above that (ie 32 bit).
Has there been a firmware upgrade to allow native 32 bit file playback? Or is that not possible?
do you have any 32 bit content? i don't think it exists . . . if you're using hqplayer or something like that to upscale, specifying 32 bits will just result in padded zeros.
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They sometimes us 32 BIT in Mastering but down-sample it to 24 or 16.
james
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do you have any 32 bit content? i don't think it exists . . . if you're using hqplayer or something like that to upscale, specifying 32 bits will just result in padded zeros.
Yes, some people sell 32 Bit recordings on Bandcamp. I've been listening to this one a lot:
https://atomtm.bandcamp.com/album/texturen-iv
When I play the first track through the BDA-3.14, which downsamples it to 24 bit, it actually sounds different from when I play it through my Panasonic UHD blu-ray player which does handle 32 bit file format.
It sounds a lot smoother via the Panasonic (with the BDA-3.14 as DAC, of course).
Try it out if you can, and let us know.
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Hi Christo
I will ask engineering but 32 BIT is irrelevant from a performance perspective relative to 24 BIT.
james
That would be most appreciated, James. I'm keen to hear what they say. Apparently you can do it with a "kernel update", whatever that means.
If they can't do it, that's cool. I guess I could have a separate drive feeding the 32 bit files via my Panasonic UHD blu-ray player.
EDIT: I should add though that adding a 4B3 to the system has made the whole question of digital sound file resolution a bit academic. Everything sounds awesome now. But I'm keen to hear what artists experimenting with 32 bit media can do and give their work the type of performance it requires.
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Hi Christo
32 BIT is only going to affect the signal to noise level.
24 BIT has a signal to noise level way beyond what the ear can decipher so 32 BIT is just a spec game.
I would say the DVD player is sounding deferent for reasons other than the BIT rate.
best
james
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32 BIT is only going to affect the signal to noise level.
24 BIT has a signal to noise level way beyond what the ear can decipher so 32 BIT is just a spec game.
Maybe. And I imagine they use 32 bit's floating point properties (if I understand them correctly) so people who listen to music via their computer or use other forms of digital attenuation, such as plugging their DACs directly to their power amp (not my bag but it takes all sorts), don't experience any signal degradation when they change the volume.
I would say the DVD player is sounding deferent for reasons other than the BIT rate.
Maybe you're right. It could be something to do with the HDMI. I just tried again it now to make sure and playing that album via the Panasonic UHD blu-ray player definitely sounded less compressed than via the BDA's Pi. The sound from the BDA-3.14's streamer was good, I hasten to add, just fatter. Maybe I need to compare and contrast a bit more..
Anyway, I await your engineer's advice whether 32 bit compatibility could be added via a firmware update or something similar.
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Also while I was doing that comparison I noticed that the last Manic Moose firmware update seems to have removed the input selection page from the app. I now only get the virtual front panel. I ended up using the remote control instead. Is anyone else getting this?
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According to our design engineer USB can do 32 BIT
james
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That makes sense.
I just took another look at the manual and the HDMI cut down to 24 bits too. Oh well.
It all sounds great however you play it. In six months time I'll probably change my mind again about what sounds better...
Thanks, James, for taking the time to answer my daft questions. Cheers!
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