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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => The Starting Block / Introductions => Topic started by: Mathin on 18 Nov 2022, 07:50 am
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the paradigm is more expensive. Is it worthy to choose it?
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Welcome to AudioCircle, Mathin!
I have 3F and I love it. Both are well engineered and quality construction. 3F made in Canada, 226 made in Mexico or China.
Main advantage of 3F is the Be midrange driver. Main advantage of the Revel is the tweeter waveguide, imo.
3F has a dispersion screen over the tweeter which seems to work well.
Revel is all 4th order Linkwitz Riley crossover filters, while the Paradigm is all 3rd order xo filters.
All Revels have a tighter, more controlled "hifi sound" while Paradigm is a little more open and loose, imo.
They both have overachieving bass, meaning small box, small bass drivers, big WAF, tries to compensate for lack of cone area with reflex port. Forward facing port on Revel is technically more correct (louder, punchier) but the downward facing partially obstructed port of Paradigm tries to tame the traditional reflex punchy sound to make it a little more musical. But spikes are required on carpet as the port shoots out the bottom.
Revel might have an advantage in slightly cleaner bass, only based on my past Revel listening experiences, as I have not heard 226. But physics rules bass and they are pretty similar design.
The detail from the Be drivers are amazing. Personas are the only speaker that has a Be midrange and it is astonishing.
Revel has ceramic coated aluminum cones which are very stiff and self damping like Be.
The Be midrange really reveals the character of the amplifier. A receiver amp/DAC might not do it if you have a golden ear.
They are both speakers worthy of high end electronics.
I heard the 5F and bought the 3F. The 5F has cleaner bass. I am trying to avoid hearing the 9F. :wink:
It's nice that you have the choice between two great speakers. I think you'll be happy with either.
Enjoy!
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persona sub has a better look
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How important information.Thank you so soso sososo much.
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The biggest problem is that the paradigm center channel is much more expensive then the revel one,too difficult to make the decision.
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I gonna buy one more A21+ to build my theater
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Welcome to AC!
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The biggest problem is that the paradigm center channel is much more expensive then the revel one,too difficult to make the decision.
Then go with the Revels. Price is important and you can't go wrong with either, imo.
Revels might even have better long term resale value if that matters to you.
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Hi,
I will merge these 3 topics you started in the Starting Block Circle into one.
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Greetings & Welcome to AC Mathin :thumb:
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Welcome to AC!
Thank you brother
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Greetings & Welcome to AC Mathin :thumb:
Thank you brother, everyone is so nice.
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Hi,
I will merge these 3 topics you started in the Starting Block Circle into one.
no problem boss
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Then go with the Revels. Price is important and you can't go wrong with either, imo.
Revels might even have better long term resale value if that matters to you.
Thanks again, your opinions are so useful.
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the seller is calling UPS with shipping damage.
When it is cold, turn it on,sonic boom happens on left channel,last about one minute then be fine.
Will this problem hurt my speaker? Will it be a potentail problem? Must I fix it?
Please everyone,thank you so much.
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Yes, it must be fixed, and it can damage your speakers.
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And it's unlikely a shipping problem. Hope you didn't pay with Friends and Family.
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Hi,
I will merge this topic with the others you started in this Circle.
GUIDELINES
(https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=180975.0)
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Yes, it must be fixed, and it can damage your speakers.
Oh my God, that would be a big problem
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And it's unlikely a shipping problem. Hope you didn't pay with Friends and Family.
Actually I did, what should I do, seems like a big problem
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Swap the "broken" speaker with the "non broken" speaker to verify it's a speaker problem, and not amplifier or something else.
If the flaw stays with the speaker after swap then you can try to get refund from the seller and get UPS to pickup the damaged goods
If not possible to get refund then you can repair it.
We can help guide you with repair if necessary.
What amp you using?
Please describe the symptom more accurately.
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Not sure it was good to merge all these threads?
As far as the A-21 amplifier is concerned, you have to start with the seller. If they're a legitimate seller and you didn't agree to take responsibility for shipping issues (lost, damaged, stolen), they should be working to help rectify the problem. Because you used Friends and Family you have no recourse to get your money back or money for repairs unless the seller is honest. So, it's probably going to require you getting it to an authorized repair shop to diagnose the problem and then negotiations with the seller to cover repairs. Unless the box has serious damage from a drop it's unlikely UPS will compensate. If this is an older A-21 it might be worth replacing electrolytic capacitors in there while it's on the bench (at your expense).
There's information about getting service on the Parasound website.
https://parasound.com/support.php
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Swap the "broken" speaker with the "non broken" speaker to verify it's a speaker problem, and not amplifier or something else.
If the flaw stays with the speaker after swap then you can try to get refund from the seller and get UPS to pickup the damaged goods
If not possible to get refund then you can repair it.
We can help guide you with repair if necessary.
What amp you using?
Please describe the symptom more accurately.
Thank you so much. I tested it with other speaker, it is the left channel problem for sure. It is parasound A21+.
The seller will call the UPS to negotiate. We will see how it goes.
Thanks a lot for the repair support, this will be a great help.
I don't know how to describe the problem, I say sonic boom, I am not sure if you can understand this.
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Not sure it was good to merge all these threads?
As far as the A-21 amplifier is concerned, you have to start with the seller. If they're a legitimate seller and you didn't agree to take responsibility for shipping issues (lost, damaged, stolen), they should be working to help rectify the problem. Because you used Friends and Family you have no recourse to get your money back or money for repairs unless the seller is honest. So, it's probably going to require you getting it to an authorized repair shop to diagnose the problem and then negotiations with the seller to cover repairs. Unless the box has serious damage from a drop it's unlikely UPS will compensate. If this is an older A-21 it might be worth replacing electrolytic capacitors in there while it's on the bench (at your expense).
There's information about getting service on the Parasound website.
https://parasound.com/support.php
Thank you so much.The seller did not have the original box. And I think it was not secured enough too.
He said it was like new and it looks like mint except these new flaws.
Let us see how it goes tomorrow.
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LOL I thought you meant the speaker was broken, since the thread is titled about speakers. Merged thread messed me up
Ditto Rusty's advice. :thumb:
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LOL I thought you meant the speaker was broken, since the thread is titled about speakers. Merged thread messed me up
Ditto Rusty's advice. :thumb:
:lol: No problem,I don't know why he merged this very different topic.
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:lol: No problem,I don't know why he merged this very different topic.
I posted the guide lines to you.
You started 4 threads in this Circle.
I work 12 hours night job five days a week to earn $300usd per month and spend more 12 hours or more online daily here to attend the new members, if you or Jefferson can do a better job and want replace me as Volunteer in this Circle I will give up my position.
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I posted the guide lines to you.
You started 4 threads in this Circle.
I work 12 hours night job five days a week to earn $300usd per month and spend more 12 hours or more online daily here to attend the new members, if you or Jefferson can do a better job and want replace me as Volunteer in this Circle I will give up my position.
Sorry man,I didn't mean that.Appreciate.
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Sorry man,I didn't mean that.Appreciate.
No prob intended :thumb: I cant blame you as you are new,
but Jefferson are here 12 years and Richdoo are Admin.
I can move this topíc to any other Circle if you want ?
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No prob intended :thumb: I cant blame you as you are new,
but Jefferson are here 12 years and Richdoo are Admin.
I can move this topíc to any other Circle if you want ?
Thank you,It is no need to do this. Friends had answered my questions already.