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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: lanchile on 7 Dec 2010, 04:58 am
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Here you have some pictures of the inside of the "small tank" Bryston B60-R. Quality all over, "No cutting corners here" and customer service is one of the best, period!
Bryston puts pride in their amps, it is not just another amp.....IT IS A BRYSTON !!! :thumb:
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Bryston is really fair.
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It is a nice clean layout.
They could have made that long green jumper cable shorter.
Here you have some pictures of the inside of the "small tank" Bryston B60-R. Quality all over, "No cutting corners here" and customer service is one of the best, period!
Bryston puts pride in their amps, it is not just another amp.....IT IS A BRYSTON !!! :thumb:
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They could have made that long green jumper cable shorter.
That one's not too bad, mines longer :D
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=29707)
And I've got more where that came from.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=29752)
4BSSt
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Rob,
your B60 is newer (younger) than Lanchile's one, right?!?
al.
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Rob,
your B60 is newer (younger) than Lanchile's one, right?!?
al.
Hi Al
Right, mine is from 2002 with the newer transistors,
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=29708)
also I did a facelift this year to the SST.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=29705)
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I love my B60. I'll never part with it, unless of course it's to pass on to my daughter. Being 10 days old today, she's got a long ways to go before she can use it properly. No doubt it'll still be working quite well when she gets her first place!
Also, the SST output devices are a bit deceiving. I had Mike Pickett and crew upgrade mine to SST status a few months ago. The SST output devices they installed in mine look exactly the same as the old ones - the round silver ones. Mike called me and told about it before it shipped because he didn't want me to open it up and think I got ripped off.
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I love my B60. I'll never part with it, unless of course it's to pass on to my daughter. Being 10 days old today, she's got a long ways to go before she can use it properly. No doubt it'll still be working quite well when she gets her first place!
Also, the SST output devices are a bit deceiving. I had Mike Pickett and crew upgrade mine to SST status a few months ago. The SST output devices they installed in mine look exactly the same as the old ones - the round silver ones. Mike called me and told about it before it shipped because he didn't want me to open it up and think I got ripped off.
Well I guess you'll have to ask Mike about that one, but one thing's for sure your daughter will be pushing buttons and picking her music before you know it, maybe before she starts walking.
Congrats!
Robert
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Did you notice any sonic difference with the upgrade?
Congratulations by the way!
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Rob, could you tell us the cost of the B60 "facelift"? Did you replace just the front plate or the faceplate and the knobs. Thanks!
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Rob, could you tell us the cost of the B60 "facelift"? Did you replace just the front plate or the faceplate and the knobs. Thanks!
Hi servingo,
I lucked out when jaxwired changed his from black to silver, but he mentioned $200.00 for the front plate and knobs.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=80116.0
Yes I replaced just the front plate and knobs, this will not work with the 1st generation and the 2nd generation which I have needs a slight modification either to the chassis or plate as mentioned in the post.
My B60 is from 2002 I believe, and is current with the SST. The front layout is the exact same but there are 4 pins on the inside of the faceplate which line up with the holes in the chassis, the new SST face plate has one pin, the 2nd from the left which does not line up so I either had to remove the pin or drill a new hole, I chose the latter to retain the strength
also I left the two screws just on top behind the face plate out as the holes are partially covered, although screws with a smaller head will work.
So yes there is some work involved and most likely a new cover and chassis front to make it completely kosher $$$$.
Long story short I was just about to call Bryston about a new face plate with the normal labeling of the inputs and remote hole when Tom shared his face swap and the rest was history.
Robert
Robert
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Thanks Rob. From what I gathered/remember from the conversation with Mike, the SST outputs he put into my B60 were NOS SST outputs. He used them because they were a direct drop in replacement from the old ones, therefore minimal/no modification was needed to the board.
The output devices I got are basically the same as the current ones. They were the initial run from Motorolla (I think that's who makes them) before they changed the way they look. Mike claimed they measured exactly the same, except that mine have slightly better dissipation, or was it dispersion? Can't remember, and didn't know what it meant at the time anyway.
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Thank you 1Zip.
The differences are pretty apparent to me, as I owned the amp for 3 years or so before the upgrade, and didn't change anything else in the system afterward. I'm not sure if a casual listener would appreciate all the differences I heard...
Everything got better. There were zero trade-offs. The biggest difference was sweeter highs - a touch more liquid sounding, and a bit less grain. I didn't really notice any of this before, but when you change it it becomes more obvious. There's more insight into the recording and better detail. It's also a bit cleaner sounding.
By far the best $120 I've spent on it. Far better than the $125 Shunyata Diamondback power cord - which is very good.
The only hard part of it was waiting for the 100 hours of burn in. Well worth it in the end, but I got a little antsy, as a few others here have.
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86 - :bawl:
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Thanks Rob. From what I gathered/remember from the conversation with Mike, the SST outputs he put into my B60 were NOS SST outputs. He used them because they were a direct drop in replacement from the old ones, therefore minimal/no modification was needed to the board.
The output devices I got are basically the same as the current ones. They were the initial run from Motorolla (I think that's who makes them) before they changed the way they look. Mike claimed they measured exactly the same, except that mine have slightly better dissipation, or was it dispersion? Can't remember, and didn't know what it meant at the time anyway.
Hi Stu,
That was my suspicion, but I couldn’t read the Motorolla numbers from my photos and didn’t want to open my BR60 again to verify.
DIY’ers quite often coveted the can type transistors over the newer ones so I’d be happy with what you have.
Robert
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I am extremely happy with what I have, Rob. It's not the perfect amp for everybody, but it is the perfect amp for me.
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I love this integrated amplifier, it is very well build,The sound is phenomenal, Quality all over.all discrete circuit. Bryston did an excellent job creating this little tank. Bryston did not cut corners here. When We invest in a bryston product...we invest for life!!!. Thanks Bryston. :thumb:
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Thank you 1Zip.
The differences are pretty apparent to me, as I owned the amp for 3 years or so before the upgrade, and didn't change anything else in the system afterward. I'm not sure if a casual listener would appreciate all the differences I heard...
Everything got better. There were zero trade-offs. The biggest difference was sweeter highs - a touch more liquid sounding, and a bit less grain. I didn't really notice any of this before, but when you change it it becomes more obvious. There's more insight into the recording and better detail. It's also a bit cleaner sounding.
By far the best $120 I've spent on it. Far better than the $125 Shunyata Diamondback power cord - which is very good.
The only hard part of it was waiting for the 100 hours of burn in. Well worth it in the end, but I got a little antsy, as a few others here have.
You convinced me....I'm going to ship my BP-60 AND 4B ST back after Christmas and have the SST output package(s) installed.
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86 :o
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When I first bought my B60, I ran PSB Image T55s. They sounded very good together. I moved up to Audio Physic Yara Evolution bookshelves. They were a very big upgrade. I say this because as good as your system sounds, the B60 will easily show you upgrades in the system.
I really liked the PSBs. A very easy to live with sound. My main criticism was that they could get a touch dry at times. If it was a second system, I'd have lived with them until they died. Being my only system, I needed to move on after the amp and CDP upgrade. The PSBs were bought for an NAD 320BEE and 523 CDP.
Not trying to spend your money, just letting you know the B60 is capable of even more goodness if/when you upgrade.
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You convinced me....I'm going to ship my BP-60 AND 4B ST back after Christmas and have the SST output package(s) installed.
You can upgrade an 4B ST to SST? That's news to me... :scratch:
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The statement may be a little misleading. No you can't up grade an ST to an SST. However,
"What we can do is replace the original output transistor package with the
SST equivalent."
....... that's pretty much what I said.
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...well the latest info is the SST equivalent output transistor package is only being done on the 9B-ST. At least for now...I guess. :(
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...well the latest info is the SST equivalent output transistor package is only being done on the 9B-ST. At least for now...I guess. :(
I see. Very interesting nevertheless. I had no idea that could be done!
It's great to be a BRYSTON owner and get your amps upgraded for minimal cost!
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What can be done is specific to the amp and/or preamp itself. Also, Bryston USA told me that my B60 couldn't be upgraded. When I told them that James said it could be done, they told me to call Mike Pickett. My B60 had to go to Canada for it. Both places made the process easier - sent it Bryston USA (in Vermont), and the sent it to Ontario. They dealt with the hassles of getting it across the border for me.
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Well this is getting confusing! Maybe James can straighten this out? Can/will Bryston upgrade it's older amps (specifically a BP-60 and 4B ST) with an SST equivalent output transistor package? What's the company policy?
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By BP-60, do you mean the B60 integrated? BP series are preamps, and there's no BP-60 preamp.
If the B60 can be upgraded or not depends on what's currently in it. Mine was at the point where it just started to be able to be upgraded, as it was one of the first with a different board of some sort in it. Mine is serial number 601400, and date code 9932 (can't believe I can remember those off the top of my head). If your B60 is after these, I'd say you have a good chance of being able to upgrade it. If lower serial number/earlier date, you may not be able to.
Call Mike Pickett at Bryston Canada. He's the guru that James will tell you to e-mail/call. I'd say call, because there's more dialog and questions and answers that way.
Not sure what's available for your B60 or what'll be involved. My upgrade cost $120. Very reasonable IMO. A friend on another forum had an older amp and preamp upgraded. His cost was very reasonable too IMO.
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Yes, I meant the B60.....to many moving parts on the keyboard I guess. You may be right about the age, my serial# is 601046. The info I got was from Dennis after he talked to the folks in Canada. Maybe their just not taking on mods to the older gear until they get the player and BIT backlog cleared up.
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Well this is getting confusing! Maybe James can straighten this out? Can/will Bryston upgrade it's older amps (specifically a BP-60 and 4B ST) with an SST equivalent output transistor package? What's the company policy?
Yeah, good question! And can SST be upgraded to SST2?!
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Yeah, good question! And can SST be upgraded to SST2?!
Hi Guys - I do not believe so but that is a Mike Pickett question. mpickett@bryston.com
james
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Well I sent an email off to Mike, we will see what the answer is.
My guess is the B60 can modified with an equivalent SST transistor output package depending upon the serial#. I think the 4B ST can be also. But I don't think an SST can be upgraded to an SST2. Now whether Bryston wants to do the first two or has the time at this point may be another matter.
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Thanks for doing that, man.
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So far no response. I imagine they are pretty busy back there though.
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So far no response. I imagine they are pretty busy back there though.
Hey there;
Sorry, I haven't actually seen an e-mail from you, but James pointed me to this thread, so I figured I'd just reply here.
We've done a few 'SST output' upgrades on the B60, with favourable results, and I'm sure we can also apply it to 4B/3BST units as well, with minimal modification required. We have been charging $150.00 for the B60 upgrades, and the 4B would probably run around $400.00. Shipping both ways, and packaging (if needed) would be extra.
Thanks,
Mike
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Awesome Mike. Only $400? That's a steal. Thanks for the info!
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Hey there;
Sorry, I haven't actually seen an e-mail from you, but James pointed me to this thread, so I figured I'd just reply here.
We've done a few 'SST output' upgrades on the B60, with favourable results, and I'm sure we can also apply it to 4B/3BST units as well, with minimal modification required. We have been charging $150.00 for the B60 upgrades, and the 4B would probably run around $400.00. Shipping both ways, and packaging (if needed) would be extra.
Thanks,
Mike
Thanks Mike, expect my 4B ST after the holiday rush.
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Thanks Mike, expect my 4B ST after the holiday rush.
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What a wonderful service has Bryston, I am not upgrading mine even if I could...Why? Because it sounds wonderful as it is now!!! and I believe it will stay like that for a long, long, long time. hey it is a Bryston after all right!!! :thumb:
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Mike,
You upgraded my B60 a few months back. It worked out fantastic!
I whole heartedly recommend it to everyone who's contemplating it. Easily the best $150 or so I've spent on it.
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What a wonderful service has Bryston, I am not upgrading mine even if I could...Why? Because it sounds wonderful as it is now!!! and I believe it will stay like that for a long, long, long time. hey it is a Bryston after all right!!! :thumb:
....and when I get a new output package in the 4B ST it will even be more wonderfuler! :)
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Of course!
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....and when I get a new output package in the 4B ST it will even be more wonderfuler! :)
I do not doubt it! Congratulations! :thumb: