NOS USB DACs: Valab, Gigalab, & Fathom

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gevorg

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NOS USB DACs: Valab, Gigalab, & Fathom
« on: 29 Jun 2009, 11:02 pm »
What do you think about these new cheap NOS DACs with USB I2S inputs? They all seemed to be similar in design, but vary in some parts. I'm trying to figure out which one is best for USB use directly from the computer.

The Gigalab DAC mk2 with two TCXO:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280363277375

The new Valab DAC with two TCXO (second TCXO added by a add-on board):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290323336686

The Pacific Valuve Fathom NOS DAC, an improved derivative of the Valab DAC, claims to have the second TCXO too, but the internal pictures on the website are outdated):
http://www.pacificvalve.us/PVFathom.html

cryoparts

Re: NOS USB DACs: Valab, Gigalab, & Fathom
« Reply #1 on: 30 Jun 2009, 12:53 am »
Teradak makes both the Valab and the Pacific version.

Lee

jb

Re: NOS USB DACs: Valab, Gigalab, & Fathom
« Reply #2 on: 30 Jun 2009, 06:50 pm »
Why does anybody need a TCXO in a USB DAC? TCXOs are intended to have better temperature stability than ordinary XOs but temperature stability has nothing to do with jitter, which is the more important consideration in DAC design.

The only thing the 12MHz XO is used for is USB communication from the DAC to the PC and none of that communication has anything to do with the accuracy or timing of the sample data received by the DAC. Any two cent XO will do the job.

The 33.8688 MHz TCXO provides asynchronous reclocking of the DAC signals and all asynchronous reclocking does is increase jitter. Again, temperature stability is irrelevant. From the photos it appears 74AC74 flip flops do the reclocking. The 74AC logic family is renowned for signal noise and ground bounce.  The chips are cheap because no one uses them for serious products any more and they are a glut in the surplus component market.

The TDA1543 was designed as a 16-bit 'budget DAC' and, as such, many corners were cut. Its THD and SNR specs are more in line with those of a 13-bit DAC. These chips are also cheap and a glut in the surplus component market.

Of course, that's just my superficial technical analysis. The DACs may sound wonderful, but I doubt it. I have one of those acclaimed, 'giant killer' DACs with 8 parallel TDA1543 chips and I know what they sound like.

donunus

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Re: NOS USB DACs: Valab, Gigalab, & Fathom
« Reply #3 on: 25 Aug 2009, 05:24 pm »
So what is the best usb dac money can buy for $250 or less these days?

pardales

Re: NOS USB DACs: Valab, Gigalab, & Fathom
« Reply #4 on: 25 Aug 2009, 06:39 pm »
So what is the best usb dac money can buy for $250 or less these days?

In this price range you owe it to yourself to check out the Beresford TC-7520 -- they even offer a 30-day trial with free shipping. It is quite good.

boead

Re: NOS USB DACs: Valab, Gigalab, & Fathom
« Reply #5 on: 14 Sep 2009, 09:20 pm »
So what is the best usb dac money can buy for $250 or less these days?

Anything from Scott:
http://www.scott-nixon.com/dac.htm