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Industry Circles => GR Research => Topic started by: SRP SRP on 10 Jun 2023, 07:15 pm
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Just finished up a set and I must say, I’m 100% impressed. Easily the most revealing speaker I’ve ever heard. Everything else sound dull now.
It’s end game for me. I wish this would have been my first speaker purchase. If anyone is on the fence about taking the DIY plunge—do it!
Highly recommended!
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Just wait til they break in a month from now. 🤯
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Congrats on building a world class speaker, first time out!
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I heard them at the LSAF and was impressed. They sounded excellent in an untreated room... something that's really hard to do.
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I heard them at the LSAF and was impressed. They sounded excellent in an untreated room... something that's really hard to do.
Scott,
Did I miss you at the show?
BTW, if you are referring to the pair that was in the Dynaco room, those were not fully broken in. I was only able to get about 50 hours on them before the show.
Mike
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Hey Mike, yep I came into your room a couple of times on Sat. and never got to talk to you... that place was always packed. I was wearing an N95 mask, so you probably didn't recognize me. Of the two rooms with your GR builds, I kinda liked the room with the Studios powered by what looked like a modded Dynaco amp.
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Sorry I missed talking with you. Yea, my room was packed all dat Sat. The first people showed up at 9:30 before the show even started and the room was never empty until about 5. That only lasted 30 seconds. I got lunch at 10:30pm. Most of the day my room was standing room only.
They were moved Dynacos. That is what Bryan Miller’s Miller Audio is all about.
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Just finished up a set and I must say, I’m 100% impressed. Easily the most revealing speaker I’ve ever heard. Everything else sound dull now.
It’s end game for me. I wish this would have been my first speaker purchase. If anyone is on the fence about taking the DIY plunge—do it!
Highly recommended!
Congratulations on building an outstanding speaker, how many hour do you have on them?
Kelly
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Perhaps 20. They’ll play 24/7 while on my next business trip
Watched the latest UFC tonight and can’t imagine needing a center channel
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I have had mine playing for about a year. It took about a month, 400 hrs of 24/7 brown noise and EDM to burn them in.
So a year later and I think are still getting better. The NX Studio a fantastic speaker however it is weak on the Bass. My subs will be here soon and cant wait.
My point is the more you play them the better they get. :thumb:
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I hear ya. I’ll try something like that.
I can’t imagine these will get better. Impressive speaker
I have a single rythmik F12G and the low bass output is plenty for me. 👍🏻
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Yep, room size matters. I have mine in a tiny spare bedroom (12wx10l and have reasonable output to just below 50hz. Subs used more for smoothing bass response than they are with low end oompf, but I'm not complaining :D
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I hear ya. I’ll try something like that.
I can’t imagine these will get better. Impressive speaker
I have a single rythmik F12G and the low bass output is plenty for me. 👍🏻
I was shocked how much they opened up after 400hrs, it was not a small difference in my system.
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I think I’m near 400 hours. I get what you’re talking about opening up.
I catch myself looking around trying to locate a detail in a song that I thought I knew well. Hard to describe
Best hifi purchase
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I think I’m near 400 hours. I get what you’re talking about opening up.
I catch myself looking around trying to locate a detail in a song that I thought I knew well. Hard to describe
Best hifi purchase
You experience mirrors mine. I've heard a ton of really high end bookshelf sized speakers. The NX-Studios are the best.
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You experience mirrors mine. I've heard a ton of really high end bookshelf sized speakers. The NX-Studios are the best.
Tyson I have spent some time listening to the Mike Lundy's NX-studio with a sand box sealed sub at LSAF. I have listened to the NX-treme and NX-Studio with triple OB subs at Danny's place. I loved them all. Danny's was obviously dialed but the NX-studio at the LSAF was hooked up to a modded 50 watt dynaco tube amp and a cheap DAC and Preamp. But it sounded really good in that small room. Every now and then you could tell the amp was a little weak but I loved the voices and acousticalvinstrument and pianos. Sometimes that sub would get boomy but I didn't care. My question is what do you think the difference in Mid and Mid-base between the NX-otica and the NX-Studio.
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Tyson I have spent some time listening to the Mike Lundy's NX-studio with a sand box sealed sub at LSAF. I have listened to the NX-treme and NX-Studio with triple OB subs at Danny's place. I loved them all. Danny's was obviously dialed but the NX-studio at the LSAF was hooked up to a modded 50 watt dynaco tube amp and a cheap DAC and Preamp. But it sounded really good in that small room. Every now and then you could tell the amp was a little weak but I loved the voices and acousticalvinstrument and pianos. Sometimes that sub would get boomy but I didn't care. My question is what do you think the difference in Mid and Mid-base between the NX-otica and the NX-Studio.
I'd say the NX-Treme has the most powerful bass of the 3. The NX-Otica has about 85% of that. And the NX-Studio has about 60%. Which makes sense just looking at the number of woofers involved.
For midrange the NX-Treme and NX-Otica sounded exactly the same to me. The NX-Studio gets you about 90% of that. To me, that is INCREDIBLE. I have no idea how Danny got a sealed midrange driver to sound so much like a pair of open baffle drivers. Seriously impressive.
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I'd say the NX-Treme has the most powerful bass of the 3. The NX-Otica has about 85% of that. And the NX-Studio has about 60%. Which makes sense just looking at the number of woofers involved.
For midrange the NX-Treme and NX-Otica sounded exactly the same to me. The NX-Studio gets you about 90% of that. To me, that is INCREDIBLE. I have no idea how Danny got a sealed midrange driver to sound so much like a pair of open baffle drivers. Seriously impressive.
When I was at Danny's I listened to the Encore's with the triple OB subs it was good but the NX-series was awesome. I was hard pressed to notice a difference between the NX-studio and NX-treme with the triple OB subs.
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Hi everyone, I don’t post much anywhere on the internet or social media. I have owned my NX Studios for over a year. I have PS Audio M700 monoblocks and the stellar gain cell DAC , class D . I have tried Schitt Freya with my monoblocks, Freya with Vidars, Primaluna 300 integrated, all combinations of those. Also I just got a pair of LRS +’s in my room auditioning them. I will say any amp or combination there of sounds great with theses NX studios. As far as speakers I have compared them with such as the LRS+. KEF meta, JBL, there is NO comparison!!! The NX Studios in my 10 by 12 room, well treated, are so detailed, not harsh, super imaging. They sound wonderful at low listening late at night 60db. The most I turn them up to in my room is maybe 88db or 90db, after that I start to lose imaging, I a bigger room they won’t lose any imaging. They don’t distort even when I crank them, my monoblocks put out 350 watts per at 8 ohms . I pair them with a pair of Rel T5x ‘s.
These NX Studios are shockingly good! I have heard a lot of gear over my 70 years.
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Hi everyone, I don’t post much anywhere on the internet or social media. I have owned my NX Studios for over a year. I have PS Audio M700 monoblocks and the stellar gain cell DAC , class D . I have tried Schitt Freya with my monoblocks, Freya with Vidars, Primaluna 300 integrated, all combinations of those. Also I just got a pair of LRS +’s in my room auditioning them. I will say any amp or combination there of sounds great with theses NX studios. As far as speakers I have compared them with such as the LRS+. KEF meta, JBL, there is NO comparison!!! The NX Studios in my 10 by 12 room, well treated, are so detailed, not harsh, super imaging. They sound wonderful at low listening late at night 60db. The most I turn them up to in my room is maybe 88db or 90db, after that I start to lose imaging, I a bigger room they won’t lose any imaging. They don’t distort even when I crank them, my monoblocks put out 350 watts per at 8 ohms . I pair them with a pair of Rel T5x ‘s.
These NX Studios are shockingly good! I have heard a lot of gear over my 70 years.
Very cool, thanks for sharing!
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Scott,
Did I miss you at the show?
BTW, if you are referring to the pair that was in the Dynaco room, those were not fully broken in. I was only able to get about 50 hours on them before the show.
Mike
I was at that show and I just wanted to sit in that room and listen to those speakers for hours.
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Tyson: You experience mirrors mine. I've heard a ton of really high end bookshelf sized speakers. The NX-Studios are the best.
I would agree they would be of a very high level owning a pair of Super Minis, but one obscure and costly monitor is the fabulous is the SA Pandion 2. Shockingly good with real bass. Best in a small room near field for me. I prefer big speakers for bigger rooms.
https://system-audio.com/en/product/sa-pandion-2-2/
If I was going to build a small monitor, it would be the NX Studio as I know how good it must be.
Rocket Ronny
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Tyson: You experience mirrors mine. I've heard a ton of really high end bookshelf sized speakers. The NX-Studios are the best.
I would agree they would be of a very high level owning a pair of Super Minis, but one obscure and costly monitor is the fabulous is the SA Pandion 2. Shockingly good with real bass. Best in a small room near field for me. I prefer big speakers for bigger rooms.
https://system-audio.com/en/product/sa-pandion-2-2/
If I was going to build a small monitor, it would be the NX Studio as I know how good it must be.
Rocket Ronny
I agree, the NX-Studio gives up bass power and depth to focus on better midrange purity and clarity. There are quite a few other bookshelf speakers out there that do stronger/better bass than the Studios. For my tastes, I would always want to pair the Studios with a pair of OB subs because of that (plus I really love bass!). Actually, it makes me wonder what Danny will be able to do with that 8 inch NX midbass driver he showed off a while back. Might make a killer 1 box solution...
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I agree, the NX-Studio gives up bass power and depth to focus on better midrange purity and clarity. There are quite a few other bookshelf speakers out there that do stronger/better bass than the Studios. For my tastes, I would always want to pair the Studios with a pair of OB subs because of that (plus I really love bass!). Actually, it makes me wonder what Danny will be able to do with that 8 inch NX midbass driver he showed off a while back. Might make a killer 1 box solution...
I've expressed interest in an 8" version as well; however, that's based on and only IF the low end extension is well into the mid-low 30Hz range - like what I'm experiencing with my Wilson Duette speakers. The Duette are spec'd as playing to "36Hz (Boundary Dependent)". Well, in my room, they are getting that boundary reinforcement and bloooom. The Duette are very forward sounding and have their issues, but one thing they really do is JAM. They can play HUGE. And that's why I thought an 8" Studio would be killer (if they could dig deep).
I've been playing with various stuff to figure out what I want, and one thing I've done is turn off the dual SVS SB-16 Ultra subs I've been using with them... and I'm realizing that a speaker that can play to low 30s is very satisfying. If an 8" NQ driver version of the Studio won't play that low, and will still need subs for anything other than a small room, I'm not sure what would be gained - for me.
A few other things have occurred to me:
1) Danny spends a lot of time thinking about "what would be cool" - just like we do. If he does or doesn't go thru the trouble of developing / moving forward on something, there's probably a good reason for it.
2) While looking for feedback about the Otica, Danny shared the speaker with 8" drivers he thought "would be a pretty slick solution". That was 3 years ago and, hopefully, it's not far off. I chuckled when I read who he was talking to about it. If he's spent 3 years wanting to make this speaker...
3) This triple 8" sub driver Otica is mentioned as playing to 25-30Hz, which given what I'm experiencing with my Duette, may be just right. Do I "need" 20Hz?... well, if I want more, I can just lightly blend in some very low end from the SB16 Ultra (sealed) subs - or not.
So, I still dig an 8" driver, but it could be that the NX-Studio is good and proper just as it is. I think this triple 8" servo sub Otica is really going to be something to watch.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Speakers/i-JmbkXVQ/0/b540c20e/XL/Screenshot%202023-10-18%20at%207.54.20%20PM-XL.png)
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That moment when you hear a china cymbal - way off-axis - in a song you’ve listened to dozens of times before…
Being new to the hobby, I wasn’t quite sure what spatial cues were. I think I do now.
These speakers, I’m hooked :D.
Please don’t tell me: oh yeah, the Otica’s are twice as good
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Please don’t tell me: oh yeah, the Otica’s are twice as good
The Oticas are NOT twice as good…………… :D
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That moment when you hear a china cymbal - way off-axis - in a song you’ve listened to dozens of times before…
Being new to the hobby, I wasn’t quite sure what spatial cues were. I think I do now.
These speakers are great for a lot of things, but honestly I'd put their #1 attribute being their accurate presentation of a drum kit. Tone, attack/decay and 3d placement of soundstage for each element in a drum kit is f&#king unreal. Hearing the difference in position of a snare drum to a hi-hat which are almost right on top of each other is crazy good. Hearing the directional panning as they do a rolling fill across from snare in the low center, then UP and forward to the toms, panning to the drummer's right across the toms, then DOWN, back and to the far right for the floor tom is just crazy good.
The downside of such crazy good soundstaging is that if a drum kit is mic'd from behind (left is drummer left, right is their right) this presenting as reverse of what you'd watch at a concert and it just sounds weird.as a whole. Hearing a drummer staged to the back of the mix but backwards as if they're facing away from you just sounds funky. Reversing the stereo channels in Foobar is easy, but when it happens on vinyl it'll bug you. Growing up watching tons of concerts wanting to replicate that sound is my top level enjoyment. Then again maybe it's expecting too much for a sound engineer to put down the cocaine and focus on the basics of their job :lol:.
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I just added a pair of double troubles as speaker stands. Incredible low end. End game speaker solution. Kudos to Danny. Now I understand fast bass!
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I just added a pair of double troubles as speaker stands. Incredible low end. End game speaker solution. Kudos to Danny. Now I understand fast bass!
How's the tweeter height with that setup?
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It’s fine for me. The Studios sit about 2” higher than the stands that they were on.
The way these subs load a room is remarkable and the Studios just sound, better…
This is an end-game speaker setup, for me.
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NX Studios on top of a pair of OB subs is exceptional. Gets you about 80% of the way to the full NX Otica experience.
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NX Studios on top of a pair of OB subs is exceptional. Gets you about 80% of the way to the full NX Otica experience.
What is the output of the Duals, Triples and even Quads compared to enclosed 12 inch woofers?
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I’m a bass head so take that into account when I give my opinion. For me it’s 2:1. You need 2 OB woofers for each 1 sealed woofer. If you want that same kick you in the chest power.