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I am not going to quote all of the above as I don't follow why this has a great deal of relevance to the overall thread. The comments that have been made were eluding to the capabilities which Harman possesses versus most of the other players in the audiophile market. This is at least how I perceive the overall inferences being made.i don't disagree with what was stated, I just don't understand the overall relevance here.My .02
2. the M2 was designed primarily by Greg Timbers who was unceremoniously let go after a 90 second explanation of benefits on Sep 30 2015. This was followed in March 2016 by the firing of three other top engineers of JBL with a total seniority of 70 years, including the top driver designer, Jerry Moro. These people were the principle talent behind the M2, LSR 705 and LSR 708. As Greg himself said:"So this brings an end to any world class engineers at JBL. Jerry and I were the last two. There are only 3 guys left and although they are competent, they are no where near the knowledge, success or capability of what they just dumped. The senior Model maker left last week to go elsewhere which means that Consumer no longer has any model making capabilities, either.It appears that this is the end for JBL was we have known it. The Lab equipment is in total disarray with much of it not working properly. If it weren't for Professional's need for and use of the lab, I doubt that it would function at all. There will be no more internal transducer development, no world class engineers, no more internal model making capabilities and no more real JBL product. It is just going to be me-too product copied from somebody else and designed and manufactured in China or equivalent.
You got the 4|1250N or ND version with built in DSP for running crossovers and EQ?
1. JBL product always has been more respected for their studio and home speakers than their PA systems by those 'in the know'.Hold on to your Vintage products and hope that you can find a way to get parts when things wear out. None of this will involve Harman any longer!"So, jtwrace and goskers, it looks like you might literally have bought the last real JBLs. Good timing!
I mean, it's AMAZING that you got the experience and hospitality to go to the factory to be convinced of the buy, but how much do you think JBL made off of your purchase? Especially since they pulled engineers and management off the line/cubicle to show you around? AFRF
AFRF,Our experience was a bit unique. I don't think it is common place for the hosting of a couple of schmucks as ourselves. It took a good bit of time and efforts to set up. It also took the willingness for both of us to fly out there and show that we were serious. At the end of the day we know that us buying a couple pairs of loudspeakers which are admittedly expensive to us really doesn't move the bottom line for them.
The 705i, 708i and 305P were all setup next to the M2. With some software and a switcher we were able to toggle between all four of the models. Although not level matched, nor blind, it was difficult at times to tell one from another. The family resemblance is remarkable considering the price difference.
I am not knocking the smaller manufacturers in the market. It is just a different result when the resources available to you are able to design, test and manufacture most anything you may require to fulfill a need.
Crown DCi 4 1250
Do you need a separate BSS processor?
This is quite a statement. Can you guys elaborate a bit on this? How close to the M2s sound, impact, imaging, would you say they come to within their frequency responses, and what model would you buy next to the M2? I have to wonder if the 705i would be the best imaging of the bunch with the narrow design. Set them up with a pair of Rhythmik subs and have M2s on the cheap. Although I don't know the 705s pricing as I type this. Rocket Ronny
I guess no comparison with K2, Everest or 4367? That would have been interesting... I have heard the BMS dual diaphragm compression driver, it was a step up from most typical 2-way waveguide speakers I've heard. JTR uses them in their speakers, which are an exceptional value as well.
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