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charmerci,You state that you've had the Philharmonics for a few weeks. At this point, how many hours do you have on them?
Two issues -- that laptop is a pushing a ton of crap into your gear and it's being magnified. GIGO. Secondly, your cables are also a weak link (pun intended). A $20 USB cable isn't gonna get it done. What are you using for power conditioning?
I dunno - 60-70 more, I listen to them all the time. I've never heard massive break-in speaker differences before - I've owned about 7 new pairs (mostly buy used) in my lifetime. No the sound isn't changing unless I make changes to my system.
You have probably already tried this, but when I was using my laptop it sounded much better on batteries than it did plugged into the wall.Best,Ed
Try not to make a judgment until you get to a few hundred hours on them. Leave the rest of your system alone. Play your system as much as you possibly can to get the hours. It doesn't need to be loud, just play them. You might end up pleasantly surprised.Have fun,Jerry
A $20 USB cable isn't gonna get it done.
There was a lot to like about them but there were things about them that I wasn't crazy about - mainly just overwhelming bass when played loudly and one "problem" that I've had over the last few years - some digital harshness that is somewhat bothersome. (Equipment being FLAC files into ODAC/ I had the Pioneer VSX-D912 http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=68889.0 / Odyssey Tempest pre-amp/AVA Synergy 240/ cables are StraightWire/Soundsilver/Kabeldirect)
IME your new speakers (especially the RAAL tweeters) would reveal the warts of far better supporting room/gear. These appear to be truly wonderfully detailed speakers, lacking only the bottom octave(s). You could easily justify spending $10,000 on DAC, preamp, power amp, cables, stands, and room treatments to fully support these speakers. Didn't find any specifications on-line. Can you spell out the specifications of the speakers for us? Hard to believe they could put out "overwhelming bass" (unless you're getting frequency specific resonance in a horrible room).
IME digital is fatiguing until you get into some of the higher priced DACs... the suggestion to run a server/streamer setup is a good one, check out this thread, it'll save you a ton over commercial product:http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?19221-Streamer-to-kill-the-big-boys-for-under-250I'd also seriously consider an ifi micro DSD and tube buffer for your source, the DSD DAC would work well with the above streaming solution. You also might be able to find a used Sony HAP-Z1ES around, it's not cheap but it's a one-box solution. IsoAcoustics stands for your speakers would be a good idea and won't be expensive. This will clean up the bass quite a bit and keep it from rattling random stuff in your house. Way better than sorbothane.
If that pic is indicative of the rest of the room I would not expect to get good sound in there, especially at high volume.
to answer your question: yes, your speakers are too good (they way out class your room and your gear).
I disagree. Right now I'm playing with the Pyst cable in my system and it sounds fine. Great?...no. Fine and mostly grain free?...yes.Trust me, it's not the Pyst cables. Granted, not great but they sound fine.
Your new speakers are exposing something up the chain that requires a change. Reavealing speakers are just that . REVEALING. After a 200 hour plus break-in try removing the Staightwire cabling and try a different cable. Your source is a computer and my educated bet it is that. Ya know ya change one thing you always have another change. That's the way it works. BTW i know it is temporary but those stools are NOT helping in evaluating the speakers. Move get settled set up the system properly and then after 200 hours start with a cable then the source. Have fun.charles
No way to tell remotely, since I can't figure how you have all that connected.
I wrote..I had the Pioneer receiver hooked up. It's old, it went 'poop' on me. It's permanently out of the chain. That should make my hookup more clear.
I use Straightwire USB cable (so does Schiit) and have no complaints (after comparing it to 8 other cables - read my cable review).And I'm a bit of a "speaker guy" and like you apparently like to over emphasize speakers compared to most. So it's easy to overdo it with the speakers. In your case the speakers are high quality and highly detailed, especially with the RAAL tweeter, so they will reveal all the warts. Hold off making any decisions until the speakers have broken in and you've moved into the final room you mentioned. Other than speakers I believe the room is the biggest factor in playback performance. Room size/shape, speaker/listener setup, acoustic isolation, acoustic treatment, and proper bass proprogation are all bigger factors IME than software, sources, amplification, power, or cables. Frankly if you can't develop a decent room, it's honestly better to have a modest in-room system and go for a good headphone system.
OK - I just dug out my old Sony (MOR) Cd player that I forgot that I had - and, yes a lot of the harshness went away - with some compromises in detail, etc. Just a quick but obvious initial impression from a couple of songs.So, it looks like most(?) of the problem is the laptop>Muse USB-RCA converter>coax DAC input. Better cables will help somewhat - and then there's the room.Thanks to everyone for the help!
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