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Title: shiva or tempest?
Post by: jbandpc on 30 May 2003, 01:29 pm

First let me say that tight, clean bass is the priority, with extension a close second. SPL is not a real concern.

If I had enough room and approval to build a 122 liter sealed cabinet, which should I choose, the Tempest (at 122 liters, Q=.707) or the Shiva (at 122 liters, Q<.577)?

Thank you for any response. I don't yet know how to interpret the information given in software.

Title: shiva or tempest?
Post by: MaxCast on 30 May 2003, 01:41 pm

Lower Q is said to offer the "tighest" bass.  So I guess that means the Shiva.  Have you read the white papers on both alignments?  Some good information in there that may help you decide.

Title: shiva or tempest?
Post by: jbandpc on 30 May 2003, 02:35 pm

I'm just not quite ready to go the shiva route because I'm not sure what I'll give up in extension.  Any thoughts on this from anybody?

Title: shiva or tempest?
Post by: MaxCast on 30 May 2003, 03:21 pm

Have you read the white papers at the adire audio site?  They have charts showing the FR for ported, sealed, size of cabinets, etc.
I didn't find much difference in extension in a sealed cabinet between the too.  If you want max extension then go with a ported cabinet.

http://www.adireaudio.com/tech_papers/tempest_paper.htm

http://www.adireaudio.com/tech_papers/tempest_apps.htm

http://www.adireaudio.com/tech_papers/shiva_apps.htm

http://www.adireaudio.com/tech_papers/shiva_paper.htm

Title: shiva or tempest?
Post by: JohnR on 30 May 2003, 04:31 pm

In that size box it's arguable that the Shiva has (very slightly) more extension (but less output)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/galleryimage.php/album31/shiva_tempest.gif)

Title: shiva or tempest?
Post by: Val on 31 May 2003, 01:54 pm

I agree that you should go with Q=.577, but you should also check Adire's stock of DLP12s that were custom made for the Canadian company Mirage, I believe. With the caveat that I am no DIY expert, its specs appear to me to be a bit better than either Shiva's or Tempest's, especially fs (low) and QTS (high):


DLP12  fs=16.3Hz Qts=.400
Shiva  fs=21Hz; Qts=.390
Tempest  fs=18.8Hz; Qts=.390

I am sure Dan Wiggins will be happy to help.

Val

Title: shiva or tempest?
Post by: JohnR on 31 May 2003, 02:04 pm

DPL12 plays de-eeep.

This might help:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=1296.msg10508#10508

Title: shiva or tempest?
Post by: rosconey on 31 May 2003, 02:06 pm

you might also look into going with a passive radiator if ported isnt for you.a 12 inch shiva with a 2- 15" passive radiators, saw some one did one and the specs looked awsome.