Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. Read 14446 times.

JackD

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 1398
Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #40 on: 26 Sep 2019, 05:22 pm »
targa02

The NCores will work great too.  I have a Mivera (1200AS), Nord (NC500), and a Nuprime ST-10.  They all drive the Spatial's with ease it's just different flavors.  The NCore at least with the Sparkos Op Amp is a little on the warmer side that the IcePower amp.  If your speakers also have the Hypex bass amps the NCore amps should be a good match.  I swap the amps out about every Quarter for a change of pace.

genjamon

Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #41 on: 26 Sep 2019, 06:27 pm »
My experience was with the original NC400 that I assembled myself.

Don_S

Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #42 on: 26 Sep 2019, 06:38 pm »
If you are considering a Mivera, consider this one.

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=165119.msg1758686#msg1758686

mick wolfe

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 1238
Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #43 on: 27 Sep 2019, 12:41 am »
Despite the high efficiency specs, I’ve always found Spatial M line to need real power to properly open up. The TM upgrade was an attempt to make them a bit friendlier to low power tubes, but they appear to still need real power/current. My guess is it’s probably phase/impedance swings.

I’d be surprised if the Lumina completely avoid these issues.

That said, these Luminas look awesome and I’m sure sound even better. They’re worthy of finding the “just right” amplification to bring out their best.

Couldn't agree more on the M series.  With my somewhat dated M2 Turbo's, it takes solid state or digital amps at around 200 wpc (into 4 ohms) to get things moving.  This if one wants to listen to all types of music at moderately loud levels.  As always YMMV, but that's my take.

Shredder

  • Jr. Member
  • Posts: 134
Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #44 on: 27 Sep 2019, 03:31 pm »
I power my L2s with a 125 watt into 8ohm Ayre AX-5/20. I was originally concerned that the high(ish) powered amp would not sound as good as a low powered amp. In practice, however, they sound great together. I think the L2s work well with the extra juice despite the low power friendly spec.

targa02

Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #45 on: 27 Sep 2019, 10:31 pm »
Very interesting comments from all of you!  I will have to try some higher powered amplifier.  In the meantime I have noticed that I am able to get more dB with lower volume setting the longer the Luminas break in..  Has anyone tried Frank van Alstine amps with Spatials?

JackD

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 1398
Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #46 on: 28 Sep 2019, 01:56 am »
The SET 400 would probably be a great match with the Spatial's plus Frank has a 30 day money back guaranty.

Wind Chaser

Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #47 on: 28 Sep 2019, 03:32 am »
Couldn't agree more on the M series.  With my somewhat dated M2 Turbo's, it takes solid state or digital amps at around 200 wpc (into 4 ohms) to get things moving.  This if one wants to listen to all types of music at moderately loud levels.  As always YMMV, but that's my take.

50 watts at 4 ohms from a cheap $20 TPA-3116 is far more competent and musically satisfying at driving the M3ts than a low powered tube amp that costs 100x more money. Despite the Spatial M series being very efficient, low powered tube amps are far from ideal with these speakers due to impedance related issues.

ric

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 361
Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #48 on: 28 Sep 2019, 02:07 pm »
I'm not sure I would agree. I have the M3TS with my 30watt VAC Avatar EL34 amp and have never had a problem. Listening to most music has me setting the volume knob about half way for vinyl and about 1/3 of the way for cd's. I do not have a huge room--perhaps therefore the sound is huge.

Birdbrain

  • Jr. Member
  • Posts: 71
Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #49 on: 28 Sep 2019, 03:53 pm »
Very interesting comments from all of you!  I will have to try some higher powered amplifier.  In the meantime I have noticed that I am able to get more dB with lower volume setting the longer the Luminas break in..  Has anyone tried Frank van Alstine amps with Spatials?
AVA Vision SET 120 amp with M3 Triode Masters. Frank reckons it's putting out around 50wpc into the 12 ohm load. More than enough power, sounds great to me.

Wind Chaser

Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #50 on: 28 Sep 2019, 05:27 pm »
I'm not sure I would agree. I have the M3TS with my 30watt VAC Avatar EL34 amp and have never had a problem. Listening to most music has me setting the volume knob about half way for vinyl and about 1/3 of the way for cd's. I do not have a huge room--perhaps therefore the sound is huge.

Other than the VAC, what other amplifiers have you tried with your M3’s?

Hear Clifford Brown

Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #51 on: 29 Sep 2019, 04:21 pm »
Congrats targa02 on your Lumina speakers, they look stunning and I have no doubt they sound incredibly outstanding!

As has already been said, it's a good idea to wait until fully broken in to make any amp changes.  I think I just discovered something about break in with my recently acquired X3s.  The bass was unpleasant at first unless I tuned the gain down.  I experimented with chair position and concluded I had been sitting in a room node causing issues so ended up with the chair 1' 10" further back, and the gain now close to max with great sounding bass.  But I just now sat in the original position and the bass is clear and clean so perhaps part of what is going on is due to break in.

I can also state that my experience with Spatial speakers is they seem to come alive and maybe even need more power than their specs would indicate.  With the M3 Triode Masters I had they sounded quite a bit better with the Mivera class D than with a 10 watt Dennis Had Inspire amp.

targa02

Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #52 on: 5 Oct 2019, 12:32 pm »
Sorry for my absence on the thread.  I have been traveling for work a lot and have not had much time to listen/play with the system.  The Luminas continue to break in nicely.  I think they may be most of the way there as they sound amazing.  My next step is to do some room measurements and listening tests to determine speaker placement.  I am still having problems finding my external drive connected to my Baetis server.  So frustrating.  I have read Q&A on forums and watched YouTube videos regarding finding external drives on Windows 10, but still not having any luck.  Next step is to call Baetis.

BTW, we got a new thick rug yesterday, so it will be interesting to hear what changes that will make to the room acoustics.

ric

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 361
Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #53 on: 5 Oct 2019, 01:54 pm »
This is for WindChaser's question. None. I have owned my VAC amp for around 20 years. I purchased the M3s and sold my 91db Dunlavy's. I realize others have had problems with power, hence the MTM version, but I am very happy with what I have. I do use a Hsu sub, but never had a need/desire for more power. Got lucky....

Shredder

  • Jr. Member
  • Posts: 134
Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #54 on: 15 Nov 2019, 03:26 pm »
So, how are you liking them? I am loving mine https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=165532.0.

I saw in another post that you were getting Isoacoustic Gaia footers for them. What do you think? I tried the included spikes with mine but they killed the bass. I am interested in the Gaias but worry they will have a similar effect.

Thanks.

targa02

Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #55 on: 22 Nov 2019, 09:52 pm »
Sorry for the long delay in my updates.  New rug covering most of the hardwoods and drapes installed over the windows.  The Luminas, I believe, are fully broken in at this point.  I am still using my Pass Labs XA-25 as my amp.  And, my concerns about the XA-25 having enough oomph to drive the Luminas were misplaced, at least in a room my size.  I will try higher powered amps in the future. 

Life has been extraordinarily busy, so I have not done as much listening as I would like.  But, I can tell you that these speakers are very, very special.  Best speakers I have ever owned - period. They are dynamic, detailed and musical.  The highs are clear and non-fatiguing.  The midrange is natural.  And the bass, well, it is not like anything i have experienced before.  These babies go down to 15 Hz!  And it is tuneful, not boxy sounding. 

Besides sounding great with music L2s are great at 2.0 home theater.  I wonder about owning a 5.0 system with 5 L2s??!?

SnowPuppy77

  • Jr. Member
  • Posts: 182
Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #56 on: 22 Nov 2019, 11:29 pm »
Sorry for the long delay in my updates.  New rug covering most of the hardwoods and drapes installed over the windows.  The Luminas, I believe, are fully broken in at this point.  I am still using my Pass Labs XA-25 as my amp.  And, my concerns about the XA-25 having enough oomph to drive the Luminas were misplaced, at least in a room my size.  I will try higher powered amps in the future. 

Life has been extraordinarily busy, so I have not done as much listening as I would like.  But, I can tell you that these speakers are very, very special.  Best speakers I have ever owned - period. They are dynamic, detailed and musical.  The highs are clear and non-fatiguing.  The midrange is natural.  And the bass, well, it is not like anything i have experienced before.  These babies go down to 15 Hz!  And it is tuneful, not boxy sounding. 

Besides sounding great with music L2s are great at 2.0 home theater.  I wonder about owning a 5.0 system with 5 L2s??!?

Wow!  15 hz bass extension on a open baffle speaker with that excellent inert baffle material must be truly amazing.

targa02

Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #57 on: 26 Feb 2020, 01:15 am »
Someone private messaged me about my experience so far with the Luminas.  I cut pasted the body of my response for the whole group:

I really should post more on the site about my Luminas.

I am still trying to find something that they don't do well.  I am sure there is a weakness, but other than their weight (they are VERY heavy) and that they are awkward to carry/move due to so much of the weight occurs in the baffle, I can't really think of a negative.

I have not tried a really low watt amp with them, but I often use my Pass Labs XA-25 (which is the tubiest sounding solid state amp I have ever owned) is only 25 watts into 8 ohms.  I think the Lumina sounds better with more watts.  The other amp I am using is the Esoteric A-100 which is a 45 watt amp.  The speakers are more dynamic with the Esoteric, as they should.  I have some nCores I should hook up just to see how they sound.

Transparency. You will hear everything you change upstream.  I have had and continue to have issues with my front end.  That is part of the reason I have not posted more.  That and the fact that I haven't listened nearly as much as I would like to.  They do not have as high of resolution as my Martin Logan Summit Xs did, but they are transparent and there is a "meat-on-the-bones" quality, especially with the Esoteric, that really leaves the Martin Logan sounding a little too polite.

Soundstage/Imaging.  They do image very well, but I feel I haven't got the best out of them yet.  I have heard Clayton's other speakers, in bigger rooms than mine, where the imaging was simply the best I have heard by a long shot.  I am not there yet.

Bass.  I need to measure my frequency response in room.  The bass is amazing, plentiful and adjustable.  The adjustable is probably where i need to work.  The bass on these babies is absolutely to die for!  And the bass from this design is simply different than that of a box speaker.  Not just different, superior.  Canon shots, sound and FEEL like canon shots.

Midrange.  They don't offer the same purity as my Fujitsu Eclipse TD712z single driver speakers do, but the coaxial driver that Clayton uses does come very, very close.  And the dynamics that the Luminas possess completely dwarf the Eclipse.

Highs.  Let's be honest.  I am a 60 yr old male.  I don't hear anything above 8khz.  So, that being said these speakers perform extremely well delivering high frequencies.  There is a lot of air.

These speakers are dynamic, honest, deliver ungodly bass and are room-friendly.  I have owned, Salk, Zu Audio, Emerald Physics (many models), ATC active (amazing in their own right), Martin Logan Summit X and Fujistu Eclipse, and others over the last 12 years.   These are better than all the aforementioned speakers and in most cases by a considerable margin.  I, for the first time in the last 12 years, am not looking for replacements!  My wife is very happy and she LOVES the look of the Luminas!

Please call me or write with any questions or concerns.  I don't know if you have dealt with Clayton, but he is truly great to deal with.

Shakeydeal

Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #58 on: 26 Feb 2020, 12:12 pm »
Thanks for sharing. The Lumina sounds like an end game speaker for most. Enjoy!

Shakey

Birdbrain

  • Jr. Member
  • Posts: 71
Re: Great news! Lumina 2s are on their way!
« Reply #59 on: 26 Feb 2020, 05:49 pm »
The Luminas are the only speakers I see myself upgrading to from my M3 Triode Masters. The only thing holding me back is the certainty they would be replaced in the lineup as soon as I did, with something that "blows them away".