Any ETA on 1/3 chassis phono stages? Itching to play vinyl again...

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masi61

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Hello - I have had my Linn Sondek LP12 with Ittok tonearm mothballed for 16 long years. Now I have my Bryston BP 26 and My Bryston 4B SST2 kind of lonely now that my Sony XA 5400ES is acting up is in the process of being sent out for repair work.

I considered the full size Bryston Phono stage but may just hold out until I read the reviews on the new 1/3 chassis phono stages that I have heard about (but not heard or read nearly enough about).

I like that they will be compatible with the BP-26's outboard power supply. I even am considering purchasing an upgraded umbilical for the BP-26 from Take 5 audio in Canada.

Also, while I've got the itch to purchase new gear (got to help my 2 channel audio system live up to its full capability, you know?) I'm most likely going to get a Bryston BIT 15 with surge suppression since right now I'm plugged into an unprotected power strip and the LCD on my Sony SACD player has been victim to some electrical gremlin twice now.

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Hello - I have had my Linn Sondek LP12 with Ittok tonearm mothballed for 16 long years. Now I have my Bryston BP 26 and My Bryston 4B SST2 kind of lonely now that my Sony XA 5400ES is acting up is in the process of being sent out for repair work.

I considered the full size Bryston Phono stage but may just hold out until I read the reviews on the new 1/3 chassis phono stages that I have heard about (but not heard or read nearly enough about).

I like that they will be compatible with the BP-26's outboard power supply. I even am considering purchasing an upgraded umbilical for the BP-26 from Take 5 audio in Canada.

Also, while I've got the itch to purchase new gear (got to help my 2 channel audio system live up to its full capability, you know?) I'm most likely going to get a Bryston BIT 15 with surge suppression since right now I'm plugged into an unprotected power strip and the LCD on my Sony SACD player has been victim to some electrical gremlin twice now.

Hi

We start building next week but first run are pre-sold.

james


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Hi Folks,

The new 1/3rd size phono stage is based on the BP 1.5 - a review below.

http://www.tonepublications.com/analogaholic/review-bryston-bp-1-5-phonostage/

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Hi Folks,

With the recent introduction of our new Phono stages and Turntables a number of customers have asked why we recommend Transformer based Step-Up devices for Moving-Coil cartridges over Head-Amps. I have put together some thoughts on it - please see below.

BRYSTON TF-2 MOVING COIL TRANSFORMERS

Moving-Coil Transformers

Step-up transformers for Moving-Coil cartridges are the most esoteric and misunderstood items in the world of hi-fi, and this partly explains why they are so seldom used. This is a great shame because the use of a good MC transformer gives the best possible performance from a moving coil cartridge. Moving–Coil cartridges have very little voltage output but significant current is available. So the MC transformer ‘transforms’ this small voltage at the output of the MC to the required voltage required by the Phono Stage in the preamplifier. It does this passively so no noise or distortion is added resulting in a much better signal to noise ratio.

Operating principle

Moving magnet cartridges, as their name implies, contain magnets which are moved by the stylus’ cantilever, and the movement induces the signal voltage in fixed coils in close proximity to the magnets. In moving coil cartridges the roles are reversed, so now the magnets are fixed and the coils move. The big advantage of moving coils is that the coils are much lighter (lower mass) than the magnets, so they are much more responsive to the motion of the stylus. The big disadvantage is that the output voltage of moving coil cartridges is about 20dB lower than that of moving magnets, so an extra 20dB of gain is required. The extra gain can be provided by the phono-stage amplifier, by an external device called a head-amp, or by a transformer. The most commonly found solution is to increase the gain in the phono-stage itself, but in our opinion step-up transformers are still the best solution where ultimate performance is the objective.

Why use a transformer at all?

It used to be the case that a good signal-to-noise ratio was impossible to achieve from a moving coil cartridge without a step-up transformer. An extra 20 or 30 decibels of gain wasn’t a problem, but doing so with low noise using valves, transistors or op-amps was a problem. Modern transistors and op-amps can now offer much better signal-to-noise ratios but valves still usually need transformers to work successfully with low output moving coil cartridges. An alternative to the step-up transformer is the head-amp (or pre-preamp). This is a transistor or op-amp amplifier which raises the output of moving coil cartridges up to moving magnet level.

Apart from the issue of a lower noise floor, the sound quality of transformers is something their advocates swear by. The distortion produced by audio transformers is of a completely different nature to that produced by a transistor amplifier. The harmonic distortion in transformers is greatest at the lowest frequencies and falls rapidly as the frequency rises, whereas in transistor amplifiers distortion more usually rises as the frequency rises. More importantly, inter-modulation distortion tends to be lower in transformers than it is transistor amplifiers. The outcome is that although transformers aren't absolutely free of distortion (nothing is), the distortion is very benign compared to the distortion produced by many transistor amplifiers. This explains why the sound produced when a moving coil cartridge is used with a good transformer is so sublime and can create an open and spacious soundstage with amazing separation between instruments.

The case against transformers is simply one of cost. Transistors can be as cheap as a few pennies (or less when bought in sufficient quantities) whereas transformers always cost a lot more, by as much as a factor of several thousand, due to the expensive materials used in the core and the cost of the copper windings in terms of both material and labour.

Cartridge loading

Before considering how to match a moving coil cartridge with a transformer, it is worthwhile considering the effects of different loads on moving coil cartridges. When any signal source is connected to any load impedance a potential divider is formed by the source's output impedance and the load impedance.

The usual rule for audio equipment in general is to feed the signal into a load at least ten times greater than the source impedance to avoid any significant signal loss, and this applies to moving coil cartridges as well. If the load impedance is 10 times greater than the source impedance the signal lost by the “pre-set volume control” is less than 1dB, ie nearly all the signal generated by the source is available to the following amplifier. Any loss of signal at the source/load interface is usually considered a bad thing as it compromises the signal-to-noise ratio. More signal is lost, ie the pre-set volume control is turned down more, if the load impedance isn't significantly higher than the source impedance.

When the source and load impedances are equal the signal loss is 6dB. When the source impedance is 9 times greater than the load impedance the signal loss is 20dB. Most modern moving coil cartridges have a source impedance of about 10 ohms and the “load impedance ten times the source impedance” rule suggests 100 ohms is a good choice for load impedance and causes less than 1dB of signal loss. This is well in line with the recommendations from many cartridge manufacturers (see the table of data below). Anything above 100 ohms should be equally suitable.

Does the cartridge's tonal balance change with load impedance? It certainly does if the cartridge is a moving magnet type, but low output moving coil cartridges are much less sensitive to changes in the load impedance. Users sometimes claim that higher load impedances produce a brighter sound than lower ones, but cartridge manufacturers tend be non-specific about recommended load impedances, often recommending a wide range or simply anything above a minimum impedance. The recommendation of Bryston is in line with most other cartridge manufacturers - that 100 ohms is a good value for most cartridges, and that the exact value is not critical as long as it is well above the cartridge's source impedance. One thing is certain, and that is that the load impedance should not be equal to the cartridge's source impedance.

A step-up Moving-Coil transformer is designed to accept the lower voltage output from the MC cartridge and increase the voltage to a point which is acceptable to the input stage of the standard MM phono section. The Bryston Moving-Coil step-up transformer is available in two versions...with a 20dB or a 30dB gain option. Your choice on which unit is most appropriate will be determined by the voltage output of your chosen cartridge.

•   From .1 to .2 mV we would recommend the 30dB version
•   At .3 mV we would say either version would work fine
•   From .4 to .5 mV or more we would recommend the 20dB version

An important point to consider when choosing which Step-up to use is you do not want to over-power or under-power the MM phono stage. Under-powering results in not having enough GAIN in the system and over-powering can result in voltage overload and the resultant distortion.

The big mistake most often made when selecting a transformer for a moving coil cartridge is to overlook the voltage required at the phonostage's input and instead try to make the impedances match so that, for example, a cartridge with a 5 ohm source impedance sees a 5 ohm load at the transformer's input. This approach takes the cartridge's impedance as the most important factor when in reality it should be the cartridge's output voltage.

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Hi James

When do you expect the turntables to ship? I received the new Bryston 1/3rd size phono products this week and already have them out in a functional display

So far the BP-2 MM/MC phono stage sounds awesome!  Very alive with good frequency depth and weight. I think I'll take it home this weekend and try them out with my London Gold and Hana SL.

I have to tell you, I still have this dream of owning a BP26 with MPS2 and now both BP-MC and BP-MM.

James Davies


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HI Folks,

Have a lengthy review on the Bryston Moving Magnet/Moving Coil Phone Stage  - email me if you want a copy - jamestanner@bryston.com

james