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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: alexone on 4 Oct 2010, 06:31 am
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James,
can you give some info on the new BIT units?
al.
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Hi Alex,
Torus is going on its own so the BIT products are the Torus guts with Bryston faceplates to match our gear. We will only be offering a few models.
james
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...the same technology at the same price?
al.
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...the same technology at the same price?
al.
Correct :D
James
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I know I'm a little slow, so don't give me too much crap...
What's a BIT?
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I know I'm a little slow, so don't give me too much crap...
What's a BIT?
Bryston Isolation Transformer
al.
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James,which models.
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....and when?
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BIT-5A, 15A, 20A, BAL 20, WM-60, WM-100 (120 V)
BIT- 4A, 8A, 16A (240 V)
Available next month.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=36616)
James
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James,
a new Bryston website next month as well ?!? With all the new stuff to see and read and :drool:...
al.
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James,I like that faceplate,my 60a Torus has the 3 separate bank power switches and main power switch,is there a faceplate for that as the newer 60a only has one for power I believe.
Mine is the RM-60,not CS,Thanks.
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Hi Alex,
Torus is going on its own so the BIT products are the Torus guts with Bryston faceplates to match our gear. We will only be offering a few models.
james
James what did you mean Torus is going on its own?You are the same company-correct?
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As much as I like the bulging silver front with black panels on either side on my RM10 and 20, that looks sweet.
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That thing looks nice, although the white switch does jump out at you.
.......hmmmmm decisions, decisions....a BIT-15 or BDP+DAC or new speakers or save the $$$'s for something useless.
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avoid the stresssssss,buy em all :lol: :thumb:.
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That thing looks nice, although the white switch does jump out at you.
.......hmmmmm decisions, decisions....a BIT-15 or BDP+DAC or new speakers or save the $$$'s for something useless.
1ZIP,
you've got a lot of stuff so a BIT-15 would just fit...on the other hand a BDP+DAC (i assume a BDA-1 ?!?) would be more fun and therefore the better choice ?
let us know what your decision will be then...
al.
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avoid the stresssssss,buy em all :lol: :thumb:.
ok! persuaded! :lol:
al.
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James what did you mean Torus is going on its own?You are the same company-correct?
Hi Volks,
No... Torus is owned by Plitron Manufacturing - we were just the distributor because we helped develop the product.
james
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James, is this available for UK or international market i.e. Singapore? What about option for AVR??
Thanks! :thumb:
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James, is this available for UK or international market i.e. Singapore? What about option for AVR??
Thanks! :thumb:
Yes they will be available in 230/240 volt versions but we probably will not do the AVR versions.
james
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Yes they will be available in 230/240 volt versions but we probably will not do the AVR versions.
james
Awesome, James, I would also want one BIT for 230V! Nevermind the AVR, but usually what's the voltage operating range for the 230V 7B-SST/2 before it shuts itself down by under/over current?
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Awesome, James, I would also want one BIT for 230V! Nevermind the AVR, but usually what's the voltage operating range for the 230V 7B-SST/2 before it shuts itself down by under/over current?
The 7B would not shut down it would just deliver less or more power. Not sure on the 230v range - but the 120 is OK between about 95V to about 135V.
james
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James,I don't see WM series,do you mean RM=60a bal.
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James,I don't see WM series,do you mean RM=60a bal.
WALL MOUNT - 60 amp and 100 amp.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=36618)
james
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NICE,we'll I see my 20a can get the facelift.
I'm assuming the owner can install the new faceplates.
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OK, one of these goes on my list :drool: but below the BDP-1 :D
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Hi James,
Will it be possible to purchase the faceplate and mount it on the Torus? :D
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James,
awhile ago you posted a thread asking if anyone liked the idea of a TORUS with a Bryston faceplate. At the time I did not respond as I looked at my torus and it seemed ok with the 2 color scheme. Now that I have seen a Torus kitted out with a Bryston faceplate, it looks more awesome than I would have imagined. I would vote AFFIRMATIVE in that survey. The picture you posted is using the black faceplate. Can I assume it will be offered in silver? And should I go a step further and decide to replace my Torus faceplate (RM20) A) what would it cost? B) would my dealer in Vancouver [Commercial Electronics] do it? OR is the Torus sent to Bryston?
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Hi Folks
Yes the faceplates are retro-fit-able. I will get a price for you and not sure what's involved in changing it. There were two versions of the 15 amp Torus -a three rack space version and a 2 rack space version - so they would have different faceplates.
James
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Q for James,is it possible to have a custom faceplate done(knowing that it would cost more)
EX:RM 60a Torus :D.
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Q for James,is it possible to have a custom faceplate done(knowing that it would cost more)
EX:RM 60a Torus :D.
Hi Don,
I will ask.
james
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Thanks James,I don't mind payin :o :thumb:.
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Looks great. It would be nice if the switch was in the center bottom of the faceplate with a green light above it to be identical to the amps.
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Ya, that switch looks out of place. Maybe a clear one with an green internal light?
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...what about a switch that is identical to the SST2 amps? maybe with a kind of green backlight??
al.
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Like the 28B's look with one green light and the SST2 switch right below it.
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Thanks James,I don't mind payin :o :thumb:.
We see that Buddy :thumb:
Robert
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I imagine the Bryston Torus faceplates would be around the same price as the SST faceplates $225.00
or a tad more :nono:,just guessin.......perhaps the custom 60a balanced is 225.00 :green: :thumb:.
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I assume the physical layout is the same as the current torus. It would probably not
be cost effective to actually move the switch, without changing the existing design(but I could be wrong).
If so, then I also think the color of the switch would look better if it matched the green of the led on the SST2 amps. And not to bright as to be distracting.
My 2 cents.
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Hi Folks,
The above post is correct - the switch is where it is and we did not want to add additional costs by changing the layout. We are going to have Blue and Green switches available.
james
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Nice to have the switch colour choice,James any news on the :bowdown:,custom RM 60a Torus faceplate,Thanks.
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Nice to have the switch colour choice,James any news on the :bowdown:,custom RM 60a Torus faceplate,Thanks.
Hi Don,
No word yet but it will be expensive as they have to do an extrusion.
james
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Hi James,I figured with all the extra switch cavities ect. that it would be more,
we have backup :thumb:.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=36616)
James
Wow - looks truly awesome :thumb: :thumb:
Aside from the switch, the only other thing that seems out of place is the “BIT 15” model number on the front of the faceplate - it just seems to hang out there in space and look “choppy.” It really draws your attention away from the Bryston logo.
Perhaps omitting this would improve the over all aesthetics of these units. Does anyone agree :scratch: What are your thoughts?
Be well...
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Wow - looks truly awesome :thumb: :thumb:
Aside from the switch, the only other thing that seems out of place is the “BIT 15” model number on the front of the faceplate - it just seems to hang out there in space and look “choppy.” It really draws your attention away from the Bryston logo.
Perhaps omitting this would improve the over all aesthetics of these units. Does anyone agree :scratch: What are your thoughts?
Be well...
Hi - its the special lighting we used to highlight the front panel - because in real life you can hardly see the BIT engravement.
james
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James,
Bryston will be selling these for years. They should look like the amplifiers - the switch should be where the "BIT 15" is. Yes, it would cost some engineering time to redesign the Torus but the aesthetics would be so much more appealing to the market. Unless it is impossible now is the time to do it.
Tony
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James,
Bryston will be selling these for years. They should look like the amplifiers - the switch should be where the "BIT 15" is. Yes, it would cost some engineering time to redesign the Torus but the aesthetics would be so much more appealing to the market. Unless it is impossible now is the time to do it.
Tony
A most valid observation BrysTony :thumb:
Be well...
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Yes it would mean a total redesign with new chassis, faceplates etc. required which would increase the price.
james
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Hi Folks,
The above post is correct - the switch is where it is and we did not want to add additional costs by changing the layout. We are going to have Blue and Green switches available.
james
How about just a simple black or silver switch to match the faceplates vs white, blue or green.
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Yes it would mean a total redesign with new chassis, faceplates etc. required which would increase the price.
james
James,
Just to play devil's advocate, I see it as much less than a total redesign. It is a mechanical engineering problem that can be worked out fairly quickly. The costs should be all non-recurring and do not necessarily have to increase the price. I really believe that this small change would make the BIT a more integral part of the Bryston product family which can be shown in advertising, industry shows, etc. and lead to increased sales and profits for Bryston. I'll shut up now.
Best Regards,
Tony
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How about just a simple black or silver switch to match the faceplates vs white, blue or green.
Now that is a good idea!!
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1ZIP,
you've got a lot of stuff so a BIT-15 would just fit...on the other hand a BDP+DAC (i assume a BDA-1 ?!?) would be more fun and therefore the better choice ?
let us know what your decision will be then...
al.
I think it's going to be a BIT15A (black with black switch..please) and some new speakers! Then in the Spring a BDP-1 and BDA-1. :D
The grand kids can go to a community college.
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James,
Just to play devil's advocate, I see it as much less than a total redesign. It is a mechanical engineering problem that can be worked out fairly quickly. The costs should be all non-recurring and do not necessarily have to increase the price. I really believe that this small change would make the BIT a more integral part of the Bryston product family which can be shown in advertising, industry shows, etc. and lead to increased sales and profits for Bryston. I'll shut up now.
Best Regards,
Tony
+1
I have always wondered why the Bryston line is not "recognizable", as in all equipment looks different. Some powerswitches are on the right, some on the left, some in the middle... If one buys a complete Bryston set it just does not look like it's all one brand. Since I only have a 4B SST2 it is not too much of a problem here, but when I still had the BDA-1 on top of it it looked too different.
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The large isolation transformer sits right up against the front panel at center so you would have to redesign the box and lengthen it to accommodate a center switch.
James
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Hi James,
I have a 4BSST2.
With the Isolation Transformer installed would the Soft Start kicks in faster or even instantaneous since BIT would supply high current in reserved? :scratch:
Thanks!
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Hi James,
I have a 4BSST2.
With the Isolation Transformer installed would the Soft Start kicks in faster or even instantaneous since BIT would supply high current in reserved? :scratch:
Thanks!
No it would not affect the softstart as it is going through a routine to make sure all is right before it powers up.
james
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James;
Can't seem to find the price anywhere but if memory serves me the price for a BIT15A/CS-15 is around $2100.00? Also, what is the date orders for a unit would be accepted?
THX
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While we're at it, can I get a black 17" Bryston faceplate for my Esoteric CD player? Just kidding, I love my Torus CS15 in silver just the way it is. It blends in well with my silver Bryston amps and preamp while providing a visual break in the action.
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James;
Can't seem to find the price anywhere but if memory serves me the price for a BIT15A/CS-15 is around $2100.00? Also, what is the date orders for a unit would be accepted?
THX
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Yes $2000 for the Bit 15. We are manufacturing the faceplates now so a Bit in about a month and a Torus in about a week.
james
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James, which model should I go for if my set-up is as follows?
- Bryston 4BSST2
- Bryston BP26
- Bryston BDA1
- Dynaudio Focus 110 -> May move on to Dynaudio Confidence C1 in near future
The wall supply is a type 'G' BS1363 standard with power rating of 13A 230-240VAC. Which model would be sufficient and which would give the best performance?
Thanks! :)
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James, which model should I go for if my set-up is as follows?
- Bryston 4BSST2
- Bryston BP26
- Bryston BDA1
- Dynaudio Focus 110 -> May move on to Dynaudio Confidence C1 in near future
The wall supply is a type 'G' BS1363 standard with power rating of 13A 230-240VAC. Which model would be sufficient and which would give the best performance?
Thanks! :)
Hi,
The 8-Amp 230V unit would work fine.
james
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Hi,
The 8-Amp 230V unit would work fine.
james
James,
can a 8-Amp 230V BIT handle two 4B SST amps (for those who want to biamp their speakers) ?
al.
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It should be OK as the 240 volt 4B would take a Maximum of 4 amps each at full power.
james
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James,
Can you provide a summary of this product and price levels? I'm not familiar at all with the Torus line and normally would stick with my existing power conditioner, but having an all Bryston rack appeals to me. Can you elaborate on what will be offered and when it will be available. Thx. :)
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Bryston BIT
Single Phase Input - 120V
Single 5A 5 Amps/120V/60Hz BIT-5
Single 15A 15 Amps/120V/60Hz BIT-15
Single 20A 20 Amps/120V/60Hz BIT-20
OPTIONAL: Power Cord for 20 Amp Unit (20Amp Unit Connector to 15 Amp Wall Plug)
Balanced Dual Phase Input - 240V
Balanced 20A 20 Amps/240V/60Hz BIT-20 BAL
Wall Mount - NEMA Versions - 240V
Balanced 60A 60 Amps/240V/60Hz BIT-WM-60 BAL
Balanced 100A 100 Amps/240V/60Hz BIT-WM-100 BAL
AVAILABLE IN 17" or 19" BLACK OR SILVER "C" SERIES FACEPLATES
19 INCH RACKMOUNT AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST
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Bryston BIT
Single Phase Input - 120V
Single 5A 5 Amps/120V/60Hz BIT-5
Single 15A 15 Amps/120V/60Hz BIT-15
Single 20A 20 Amps/120V/60Hz BIT-20
OPTIONAL: Power Cord for 20 Amp Unit (20Amp Unit Connector to 15 Amp Wall Plug)
Balanced Dual Phase Input - 240V
Balanced 20A 20 Amps/240V/60Hz BIT-20 BAL
Wall Mount - NEMA Versions - 240V
Balanced 60A 60 Amps/240V/60Hz BIT-WM-60 BAL
Balanced 100A 100 Amps/240V/60Hz BIT-WM-100 BAL
AVAILABLE IN 17" or 19" BLACK OR SILVER "C" SERIES FACEPLATES
19 INCH RACKMOUNT AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST
James,
make it a sticky topic so that everyone can find the infos about the new BIT units...
al.
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Bryston BIT
Single Phase Input - 120V
Single 5A 5 Amps/120V/60Hz BIT-5
Single 15A 15 Amps/120V/60Hz BIT-15
Single 20A 20 Amps/120V/60Hz BIT-20
OPTIONAL: Power Cord for 20 Amp Unit (20Amp Unit Connector to 15 Amp Wall Plug)
Balanced Dual Phase Input - 240V
Balanced 20A 20 Amps/240V/60Hz BIT-20 BAL
Wall Mount - NEMA Versions - 240V
Balanced 60A 60 Amps/240V/60Hz BIT-WM-60 BAL
Balanced 100A 100 Amps/240V/60Hz BIT-WM-100 BAL
AVAILABLE IN 17" or 19" BLACK OR SILVER "C" SERIES FACEPLATES
19 INCH RACKMOUNT AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST
Thanks James.
Which one would I need for my 4bsst2 and BP6, and how much? I'm in the USA. Thx.
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The BIT 15/120 volt would be ideal.
Curently $2000 US Sugg list.
james
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Bryston BIT
Single Phase Input - 120V
Single 5A 5 Amps/120V/60Hz BIT-5
Single 15A 15 Amps/120V/60Hz BIT-15
Single 20A 20 Amps/120V/60Hz BIT-20
OPTIONAL: Power Cord for 20 Amp Unit (20Amp Unit Connector to 15 Amp Wall Plug)
Balanced Dual Phase Input - 240V
Balanced 20A 20 Amps/240V/60Hz BIT-20 BAL
Wall Mount - NEMA Versions - 240V
Balanced 60A 60 Amps/240V/60Hz BIT-WM-60 BAL
Balanced 100A 100 Amps/240V/60Hz BIT-WM-100 BAL
AVAILABLE IN 17" or 19" BLACK OR SILVER "C" SERIES FACEPLATES
19 INCH RACKMOUNT AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST
James,
What about the switch color options?
Gary
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James,
What about the switch color options?
Gary
Have a meeting on that tomorrow ... so far amber or blue is available.
James
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Hi,
The 8-Amp 230V unit would work fine.
james
Hi,just out of curiosity I have the 4b,6b,bp-26,bcd-1 and the bda-1 and soon the sp3 if $$$ permits.My question which BIT should I go for.Just for info I don't run my gear on a dedicated line 13a/220vac
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Have a meeting on that tomorrow ... so far amber or blue is available.
James
Don't know why,but blue causes me to see double and I have trouble focusing.Blue may look nice but not very functional for this oldguy.
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Have a meeting on that tomorrow ... so far amber or blue is available.
James
Blue looks nice against the silver and also against the black. Amber......not so much!
1oldguy -
Use two fingers! :)
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Why didn't I think of that . :thumb: It's not all bad though...as when going on a date and she shows up in a blue dress.Double your pleasure,double your fun.The new Bryston motto. :green:
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Don't know why,but blue causes me to see double and I have trouble focusing.Blue may look nice but not very functional for this oldguy.
http://texyt.com/bright+blue+leds+annoyance+health+risks (http://texyt.com/bright+blue+leds+annoyance+health+risks)
Steve
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Please stay Green ...Should be the customer motto ...Along with, save our eyes wouldja. :duh:
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I believe that McIntosh change over to LEDS in their gear. I wonder if it's white LEDS behind blue velum/vellum or just blue LEDS. If it's the latter can we expect an increase in eye and health problems among McIntosh owners? :)
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For James:
Anything decisions on the switch color and or availability date(s)?
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For James:
Anything decisions on the switch color and or availability date(s)?
Faceplates are ordered and GREEN OR BLUE power lights. Any new order will be about 30 days.
james
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Thank you sir. I'll get the order in today.
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A black BIT-15 120 V with blue switch is on order!
BDP-1 w/Ext DAC next.
The grand kids can go to a community college! :)
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Faceplates are ordered and GREEN OR BLUE power lights. Any new order will be about 30 days.
james
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38317)
Robert
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JAmes and I know Robert, picts show it all :lol:.
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How True ! :thumb:
Robert
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How True ! :thumb:
Robert
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=20112)
How about this one with 6005 Views
Robert
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38318)
Baby Rueben & Nancy
Robert
Now back to Business !
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James have you got pictures of these
A black BIT-15 120 V with blue switch :thumb:
I'd like to see it
Robert
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James have you got pictures of these
A black BIT-15 120 V with blue switch :thumb:
I'd like to see it
Robert
No sorry no pictures yet.
james
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James have you got pictures of these
A black BIT-15 120 V with blue switch :thumb:
I'd like to see it
Robert
In 30 days I'll get you a picture. :)
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James;
Have the BIT's started shipping yet?
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James;
Have the BIT's started shipping yet?
Hi
No sorry not yet -waiting for faceplates.
James
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Any estimates on availability?
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Hi
Looks like about 3weeks.
James
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Here's hoping I'll have mine by Christmas!
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38318)
Baby Rueben & Nancy
Robert
Now back to Business !
Beautiful dog Robert.I had one just like him many moons ago.A guy in my small community (150 people) killed him on purpose when I was 13.He beat the hell out of his very substantial bumper.I guess it was worth it to him.
He's rests on a most beautiful beach.It still bothers me to this day how something so wonderful,so beautiful had to die.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnMU1EB7IlQ
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.....and what happened to the guy that killed your dog? I know what my dad would have done if someone had purposely killed my dog! :evil:
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.....and what happened to the guy that killed your dog? I know what my dad would have done if someone had purposely killed my dog! :evil:
We all have to pay for crimes sometime.I trust it will be no different for him.
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Beautiful dog Robert.I had one just like him many moons ago.A guy in my small community (150 people) killed him on purpose when I was 13.He beat the hell out of his very substantial bumper.I guess it was worth it to him.
He's rests on a most beautiful beach.It still bothers me to this day how something so wonderful,so beautiful had to die.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnMU1EB7IlQ
Thank you Sir
Rueben is our little baby boy
Robert
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1oldguy.....Any Time you wanna pass by you are more than welcome to over Buddy :thumb:
Robert
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Thank you Sir
Rueben is our little baby boy
Robert
Thank you for your generosity Robert.Dogs are just like children for those of us who really love them.
If your ever on the Rock you would be more than welcome,being a fellow dog lover and all. :thumb:
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I would invite all of you over; unfortunately, I would not be home that weekend as I have an apprehension of crowds…
:P :wink: :D
Be well...
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Thank you for your generosity Robert.Dogs are just like children for those of us who really love them.
If your ever on the Rock you would be more than welcome,being a fellow dog lover and all. :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=39028)
1oldguy I just added this pic of Rueben to my gallery
Robert
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And here he is a 3 months
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=20086)
Robert
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Mans best friend without doubt.Thank you for posting Robert.Awesome. :thumb:
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And here he is a 3 months
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=20086)
Robert
.....well there goes my resolve for never getting another dog...thanks a lot!!!!
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Hello James--I would be interested in trading in my Torus 10 for the Bryston Bit 15. Any information on how this would work? I am in USA, Dallas.
Thanks
Rob
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Hello James--I would be interested in trading in my Torus 10 for the Bryston Bit 15. Any information on how this would work? I am in USA, Dallas.
Thanks
Rob
Hi Rob,
It would have to be arrange through your dealer.
james
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Hello James--I would be interested in trading in my Torus 10 for the Bryston Bit 15. Any information on how this would work? I am in USA, Dallas.
Thanks
Rob
I don't think they are available yet....3-4 weeks maybe?
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Yes they will be available in 230/240 volt versions but we probably will not do the AVR versions.
james
James, dealer in Singapore is saying the 230/240V is not available here?? :o Is that correct?
Btw, is the outlets from the PIU isolated from each other?
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James, dealer in Singapore is saying the 230/240V is not available here?? :o Is that correct?
Btw, is the outlets from the PIU isolated from each other?
Hi,
Yes we are going to continue to sell Torus overseas instead of BIT until we have time to catch up.
james
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Speaking of catching up...are there going to be BIT's under the tree, Christmas tree that is?
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Speaking of catching up...are there going to be BIT's under the tree, Christmas tree that is?
Hi,
I hope so - we are having issues with the faceplates.
james
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Well Mr. Tanner it's time for an update. Where is the BIT that's been on order since 11/7. :)
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Well Mr. Tanner it's time for an update. Where is the BIT that's been on order since 11/7. :)
Hi IZIP,
I believe we are still waiting for metal work but I will check. i have been home the last week so not up to date.
james
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...any estimate on when the metal work problem will be resolved?
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...any estimate on when the metal work problem will be resolved?
Hi IZIP,
We are starting to rethink this whole thing. It may be that the BIT ends up having to cost more than the Torus so given the fact that they are identical products, other than cosmetics, it may make more sense to just let our customers purchase the Torus units.
james
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James;
I sent you a PM.
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Hi James,
I just got the Torus CS 16 INT'L AVR delivered to me today. Man, it's really huge. Anyway, my question is: would all the equipments connected to the Torus/Bryston BIT be protected from surges, etc., even when the front switch on the Torus/Bryston BIT is turned off? Thanks.
Klao
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Klao,
would you post some pictures of your system with the Torus?!?
al.
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Hi James,
I just got the Torus CS 16 INT'L AVR delivered to me today. Man, it's really huge. Anyway, my question is: would all the equipments connected to the Torus/Bryston BIT be protected from surges, etc., even when the front switch on the Torus/Bryston BIT is turned off? Thanks.
Klao
Hi Klao,
No it has to be on to be protected.
james
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James,
are the BIT units available or are they discontinued?
al.
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Hi Al,
We are going to go ahead with the Bit.
james
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Oh great! :x
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Will this include the ability to purchase a faceplate for my current Torus unit? It is the shorter RM15 - 3.8" including feet and 3.5" without feet if I recall correctly - the two rack space version.
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Hi,
We are only going to do the 5 amp, 15 amp and 20 amp-(balanced and single ended units) and the Wall Mount 60 and 100 amp units.
james
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So will the BIT 15 be manufactured in the 2 rack or 3 rack space version?
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So will the BIT 15 be manufactured in the 2 rack or 3 rack space version?
The 5 and 15 will be 2 rack and the 20 will be 3 rack.
james
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Hi James,
nice news.
Do you already have prices and would be 220V BIT version available for Europe?
thanks,
oz.
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Hi James,
nice news.
Do you already have prices and would be 220V BIT version available for Europe?
thanks,
oz.
Hi OZ,
Not yet as we are still haggling over pricing but within this month we should be up and running.
james
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Thank you James.
I hope it would be available in 220V version for Europe, right?
thanks,
oz.
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Thank you James.
I hope it would be available in 220V version for Europe, right?
thanks,
oz.
Yes we would have a 230 volt version.
james
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I was looking at the various Torus models today, and I noticed that the 20 amp models are much heavier than the 15 amp models. If you look at the 5, 10, and 15 amp models, each larger model is roughly ten pounds heavier than the next smaller model. For example, the 10 amp is about 35 pounds and the 15 amp is about 45 pounds. And then suddenly the 20 amp is 90-something pounds, fully twice as heavy as the 15 amp model.
Is the 20 amp just a completely different beast than the lower powered models? Is there some kind of significant performance difference between it an the lower models? If I only have a 15 amp line run to my audio system, is there any reason to prefer the 20 amp unit (with the appropriate 15 amp to 20 amp power cord, obviously)? Thanks for helping satisfy my curiosity!
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Hi guilford
Yes the 20 amp unit has a much larger isolation transformer.
james
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Sorry for being uninformed on this topic, but does the much larger isolation transformer in the 20 amp bit provide any kind of benefit if I only have a standard 15 amp line feeding the bit? Or if my line is only 15 amps, is it pointless to get anything larger than the 15 amp bit? I don't want to spend money I don't need to if the 15 amp is all I really need, but I'd consider spending a little more for the 20 amp if there is a practical, real-world benefit from it.
For what it's worth, I have a 4BSST2, BP26, BDA1, and maybe a BDP1 that would be hooked up to the bit. Thanks!
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Sorry for being uninformed on this topic, but does the much larger isolation transformer in the 20 amp bit provide any kind of benefit if I only have a standard 15 amp line feeding the bit? Or if my line is only 15 amps, is it pointless to get anything larger than the 15 amp bit? I don't want to spend money I don't need to if the 15 amp is all I really need, but I'd consider spending a little more for the 20 amp if there is a practical, real-world benefit from it.
For what it's worth, I have a 4BSST2, BP26, BDA1, and maybe a BDP1 that would be hooked up to the bit. Thanks!
Hi,
No benefit.
james
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What exactly does a BIT do? :scratch:
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A bit more :thumb:,couldn't resist.
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What exactly does a BIT do? :scratch:
A Torus in sheeps clothing :D
james
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Bloody hell! I thought these were a no go. I just bought something else! :o
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Bloody hell! I thought these were a no go. I just bought something else! :o
Don't feel alone, I just bought a Torus. But then it's black, like the rest of the gear, and sits in a cabinet, mostly out of sight...so who cares, it's just a faceplate difference.
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I'd be more concerned what she does for the music than how she looks.
Maybe if she had a pair of blue voltage meters on the front doing the Mexican hat dance :dance: :duh:.
I'm still interested in giving my 20a bal a face lift,BUT I have to do some internal surgery on the 28's,
and the BDP-1 is ever pressing on my mind.
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James, will there be a North American, 240V BIT version?
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I'd be more concerned what she does for the music than how she looks.
Maybe if she had a pair of blue voltage meters on the front doing the Mexican hat dance :dance: :duh:.
I'm still interested in giving my 20a bal a face lift,BUT I have to do some internal surgery on the 28's,
and the BDP-1 is ever pressing on my mind.
From your lips to Bryston's/Torus's ear. :)
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James, will there be a North American, 240V BIT version?
Just the 20 amp version.
james
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Hi Folks,
We are going to start with the North American 15 amp/120V single phase and 20 amp 240V dual phase versions of the BIT (Bryston Isolation Transformer) product.
Faceplates are on the way and below is how it will look in Silver. (Will be available in Silver or Black 17 inch faceplates only to start).
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=43611)
james
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a simple style...just perfect! :green:
al.
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Hi James
Wow this came out of no-where.... !!!
Show us a pic of the 8A in 240v.
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Hi James
Wow this came out of no-where.... !!!
Show us a pic of the 8A in 240v.
Hi werd,
'ONLY' North American versions for now to get started - there will be a 240 volt 'in' 120 volt 'out' unit for NA.. The 20 amp 120 volt and 20 amp 240 volt looks the same except 3 rack spaces high.
james
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Can faceplates be purchased at this point?
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Can faceplates be purchased at this point?
Hi,
As soon as we get caught up with backorders - I would say about a month.
james
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Sweet and simple, works for me. Way to go James.
charles
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I'd be more concerned what she does for the music than how she looks.
Maybe if she had a pair of blue voltage meters on the front doing the Mexican hat dance :dance: :duh:.
I'm still interested in giving my 20a bal a face lift,BUT I have to do some internal surgery on the 28's,
and the BDP-1 is ever pressing on my mind.
Thought it's been done Buddy (internal surgery on the 28's :thumb:)
Robert
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Hi Robert,not yet.As I picked up some Gik gridfusors for my drop ceiling,
exspansion board for my TD-20(electric drum kit :thumb:),another F-113as it would cost me just as much to send it to JL to repair(used)no warranty.Got a superb deal on a new one 2300.00, YEP 2300.00.
What else,that's it.Two things left :roll:,28's make over and the BDP-1.Oh yeah,have to take the wifey back to China,April(been 6 yrs)been trying since last year(too busy).
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Thanks james - Nice & clean looking.
I take it there will not be an AVR version of the BIT ?
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Thanks james - Nice & clean looking.
I take it there will not be an AVR version of the BIT ?
Hi
I don't think so because unless you have serious issues with voltage fluctuations it is not really required. Although it looks really nice with blue lights :)
James
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Yea, nice blue lights! :thumb:
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk29/ksanasen/IMG_3083.jpg)
Actually I prefer the nice clean look of the BIT that matches the Bryston amps. I'll have to move my system to a new house upcountry; so fluctuations might be the problem.
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Is the 20amp 240volt more popular than the 20amp 120volt?
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Is the 20amp 240volt more popular than the 20amp 120volt?
Hi,
Not in North America as most people have a standard 15amp/120V service.
james
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James,
Will there be a color choice for the switch?
Thanks,
Tony
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James,
Will there be a color choice for the switch?
Thanks,
Tony
Green standard and blue optional.
james
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Hi OZ,
Not yet as we are still haggling over pricing but within this month we should be up and running.
james
Any news about the european version ?
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Any news about the european version ?
Hi Dirk,
We have not gone there yet. Be a few more months.
james
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Hi James,
I am on the Audio Advisor site and i dont think they have the Bit yet?
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Hi James,
I am on the Audio Advisor site and i dont think they have the Bit yet?
Yes that may be the case as we just started shipping and they like to have inventory first. If you call them they can order it for you. They do not sell to Canada.
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ok kool-thanks James
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James,
For Canada Sales:
Do we contact our authorized Bryston Dealer ?
Is there an MSRP price list you can share for the new BIT units ?
Thank You!
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James,
For Canada Sales:
Do we contact our authorized Bryston Dealer ?
Is there an MSRP price list you can share for the new BIT units ?
Thank You!
Hi
Yes any Bryston dealer. I am at home but i believe the BIT 15 is $2195 and the BIT 20 is $3000 list.
James
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James
Do you have a time frame estimate for the BIT15 19" rack mount face plates?
Shawn
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James
Do you have a time frame estimate for the BIT15 19" rack mount face plates?
Shawn
Hi Shawn,
We are ordering 19 inch C-series but if you need to rack mount it I can get you the Torus instead.
james
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Not sure if this has been covered in this string - couldn't see it but when do you expect the BIT will show up on the Bryston home website with applicable details? Perhaps its already there but I couldn't see it. Thanks. :scratch:
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Not sure if this has been covered in this string - couldn't see it but when do you expect the BIT will show up on the Bryston home website with applicable details? Perhaps its already there but I couldn't see it. Thanks. :scratch:
We are working on the new website and hope to have it up sometime in August - I can send you info on the BIT if you have any specific questions.
james
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We are working on the new website and hope to have it up sometime in August - I can send you info on the BIT if you have any specific questions.
james
One initial question: other than the 60 amp wall mount - do the smaller 5, 15, 20A versions utilize an internal fan? I'm not a fan or fans. :lol:
I'll send you a PM re: getting more info.
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One initial question: other than the 60 amp wall mount - do the smaller 5, 15, 20A versions utilize an internal fan? I'm not a fan or fans. :lol:
I'll send you a PM re: getting more info.
NO FANS :nono:
James
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NO FANS :nono:
James
How about supporters or well-wishers ? :D
D.D.
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How about supporters or well-wishers ? :D
D.D.
:lol:
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I love a forum with a good sense of humor...
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I love a forum with a good sense of humor...
And what forum would that be?......... :duh: :rotflmao:
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As i understand,the BIT has the same spec as the TORUS,except that there is no AVR versions for the BIT and the only difference is the faceplate,right?
By the way i will be waiting patiently for the U.K. version.
PS:Will the Bryston BIT faceplate fit on the TORUS?If it does what will the price be for a 17" faceplate?
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As i understand,the BIT has the same spec as the TORUS,except that there is no AVR versions for the BIT and the only difference is the faceplate,right?
By the way i will be waiting patiently for the U.K. version.
PS:Will the Bryston BIT faceplate fit on the TORUS?If it does what will the price be for a 17" faceplate?
Correct no AVR versions of the BIT. No sorry the faceplates have different mounting points.
james
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...the manuals of the BIT 5, 15 and 20 are 'ready to read' at Bryston's website. cool! :thumb:
al.
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Hi James,
Any idea when the BIT might be released in UK?
Cheers
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...is Bryston doing an 'overseas BIT' in general?? :roll:
al.
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...is Bryston doing an 'overseas BIT' in general?? :roll:
al.
Hi Al,
No we have only release the BIT in North America and offer the TORUS overseas.
james
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Is BIT shipping? I called Audio Advisor a few weeks ago and the said back ordered. Also, I don't quite understand the wiring for the BIT 20. Is it two separate 115-120 20 amp lines for the "supply". I have one dedicated 20 A line and another 20 A multi-outlet line in my media area, is that sufficient? Or would a BIT 15 be a better choice?
Steve
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Hi Al,
No we have only release the BIT in North America and offer the TORUS overseas.
james
Shame.
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Is BIT shipping? I called Audio Advisor a few weeks ago and the said back ordered. Also, I don't quite understand the wiring for the BIT 20. Is it two separate 115-120 20 amp lines for the "supply". I have one dedicated 20 A line and another 20 A multi-outlet line in my media area, is that sufficient? Or would a BIT 15 be a better choice?
Steve
Hi Steve
The 20 is a single power cord.
james
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Hi Steve
The 20 is a single power cord.
james
My error....I am unclear how the 220v 20 amp. balanced unit is powered. Is it two separate 120v 20 amp "home runs" from the service panel?
Steve
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My error....I am unclear how the 220v 20 amp. balanced unit is powered. Is it two separate 120v 20 amp "home runs" from the service panel?
Steve
No it is a single 240 volt 20 amp cord and plug.
james
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Thanks for the reply.
BTW, my 3B SST module was returned from Bryston USA service in a nice new Bryston 3B box. Just another thoughtful (and free) reminder that Bryston cares about its customers.
Steve
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Hi Al,
No we have only release the BIT in North America and offer the TORUS overseas.
james
Is that a never or a not yet, for a BIT in europe?
Cheers
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Is that a never or a not yet, for a BIT in europe?
Cheers
Just want to see if there is really any demand overseas. It takes a lot of engineering time to develop new versions (240/230 volt, different plugs, AVR versions etc.) so it may not be cost effective.
james
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Just want to see if there is really any demand overseas. It takes a lot of engineering time to develop new versions (240/230 volt, different plugs, AVR versions etc.) so it may not be cost effective.
james
OK, I see, Thanks. I thought you were just taking the Torus and changing the faceplates, I did not realise there was engineering work going on.
I will see if we can generate some interest over here :thumb:
Cheers
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Hi James, this subject is being discussed over on the UK centric forum, one question being, if the units really are just a cosmetic faceplate change to the Torus, would there be a possibility of even getting a special build done, if we can get sufficient numbers?
Cheers
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Hi James, this subject is being discussed over on the UK centric forum, one question being, if the units really are just a cosmetic faceplate change to the Torus, would there be a possibility of even getting a special build done, if we can get sufficient numbers?
Cheers
Yes they are a cosmetic change to the Torus so we could probably do a special order for those that want.
James
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Yes they are a cosmetic change to the Torus so we could probably do a special order for those that want.
James
That is excellent news, I will pass it on
:thumb: :thumb:
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From: Spyman
Sent: July-02-12 12:59 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: BIT 15
Hello, James.
I just wanted to let you know that I got a BIT 15 from Rick at Audio Alternative in Ft. Collins for trial and I love it! It's now a permanent part of my system. It's amazing (to me) how much quieter the system is! And can you guess where I found the most improvement? Playing l.p.s! The background is quieter and most l.p.s sound much better. I've listened to every source I have hooked up and everything sounds better: cds (played through the BDA-1, naturally), l.p.s, digital files (played with the BDP-1) and even tape!
I'm very pleased with the improvements I hear and I just wanted to let you know.
Terry
Colorado
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Well at long last prices for the UK BITS have just been released for those, like me, who have been waiting patiently, I'll try and find out some more info tomorrow regarding lead times -
BIT 4 - £3,600
BIT 8 - £5,750
BIT 16 - £7,350
I know I've had long enough to think about it but still not sure whether to go for an 8 or 16?
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For a little refresh here are the specs on the US and UK models, the UK models come under 'International' around half way down -
I can take orders now for the UK at www.hifilounge.co.uk :wink: just need to check a couple of things with PMC tomorrow :)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68260)
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Well at long last prices for the UK BITS have just been released for those, like me, who have been waiting patiently, I'll try and find out some more info tomorrow regarding lead times -
BIT 4 - £3,600
BIT 8 - £5,750
BIT 16 - £7,350
I know I've had long enough to think about it but still not sure whether to go for an 8 or 16?
I know it is not your fault Paul, but bloody hell I knew it would be bad, but not THAT bad....... :nono: :nono: :nono:
Lets put this into US equivalent:
BIT 4 - £3,600 = $5,844
BIT 8 - £5,750 = $9,334
BIT 16 - £7,350 - $11,931
I wonder how many would still purchase over the pond at those levels.
I know the story of distribution costs etc, but PMC are destroying (IMO) Bryston in the UK, which is a crying shame for such great products. It would be far cheaper for me to get a flight to Cananda and buy one over there and bring it back (including inport duty) and take a punt on the warranty...
This does not bode well for your speakers James, even though I think there were many interested over here.
Cheers
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"BIT 16 - £7,350 - $11,931"
*******
That insane!!! An equivalent US model is probably the BIT 20 at $3,200. Assume distributor cost of ~$2,000 in Canada and even with VAT, etc. that is a rather large mark up. Any idea where the money goes?
Steve
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"BIT 16 - £7,350 - $11,931"
*******
That insane!!! An equivalent US model is probably the BIT 20 at $3,200. Assume distributor cost of ~$2,000 in Canada and even with VAT, etc. that is a rather large mark up. Any idea where the money goes?
Steve
I was going to be happy to pay up to about £3k (MAX) for the BIT-8, but as you say the UK prices are insane. I assume most of the cost goes on PMC distribution channel, most of whom are not really anything to do with the customer but deal with the retailers. They use to contribute to the UK forums but do not even do that now...
It is a shame I really wanted to protect my SP3/BDP/BDA and stay with Bryston, but I cannot see anyone paying those prices even die hard fans like me.
Cheers
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Hi Folks,
There is not a direct correlation between UK models and North American models:
Here are the specs.
UK international models, they are designed to output 240V at 50Hz.
• 4A at 240V = 960 VA
• 8A at 240V = 1,920 VA
• 16A at 240V = 3,840 VA
North American Models (120V at 60Hz):
• 10A at 120V = 1,200 VA
• 15A at 120V = 1,800 VA
• 20A at 120V = 2,400 VA
• 45A at 120V = 5,400 VA
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It is a shame I really wanted to protect my SP3/BDP/BDA and stay with Bryston, but I cannot see anyone paying those prices even die hard fans like me.
Cheers
I think I have to agree with you tbh Alpha, there is nothing I'd like more than a BIT to protect my whole system but it looks like I may have to go with another brand this time, unless PMC and Bryston would like to lend me one on permanent demo :wink:
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i guess it's another example of impediments to free trade. Duty, VAT and transport could easily cover half the markup.
Add in a bit of dealer margin and you're there.
Must say i've had excellent service from PMC, all of that costs somewhere. Good local suupport was important to me when i chose
the amps.
I've bought direct from USA in the past and price often doubles.
If you're lucky things slip through untaxed but i wouldn't fancy my chances of getting through customs with a BIT 16 in the baggage.
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Hello James,
I'm sure this has been asked a few times (even from me), but I can't seem to find a post that states it. Will the BITs be offered in a 19" faceplate? The brochure seems to show the 19" version on the cover but only lists out the 17". Perhaps a happy accident..
Thanks,
Jim
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Hello James,
I'm sure this has been asked a few times (even from me), but I can't seem to find a post that states it. Will the BITs be offered in a 19" faceplate? The brochure seems to show the 19" version on the cover but only lists out the 17". Perhaps a happy accident..
Thanks,
Jim
Hi Jim
We have not introduced the 19 yet as most of the interest has been with 17. I think it is something we should look at though.
James
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James,
Do the BIT products isolate components from each other, i.e. are each of the duplex outlets isolated from each other? Does it make any difference to separate digital and analog sources, like a CD player and turntable, by plugging them into separate duplexes? Thanks for your help!
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James,
Do the BIT products isolate components from each other, i.e. are each of the duplex outlets isolated from each other? Does it make any difference to separate digital and analog sources, like a CD player and turntable, by plugging them into separate duplexes? Thanks for your help!
Its not a total isolation but due to the isolation transformer it is very high.
james
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First off, I've owned a number of power conditioners over the years and have never been all that impressed, so you could say that I was a power conditioner skeptic. I hate to admit it, but I used to chuckle at glowing power conditioner reviews in the past. Now I am the proud owner of a new Bryston BIT.
Every conditioner I have purchased has always been with the intent of protecting our electronics and adding more outlets without messing the sound quality up. More often than not the conditioners harmed the sound in one way or another and certainly never improved everything I was hearing.
Turns out that the last conditioner I tried bleached the timbre. It was surprisingly hard to tell how much the sound was affected with no easy direct comparison, but I knew the timbre just didn't sound right. After going through way too many interconnects, speaker cables, wall treatments, and speaker placements, I was really at a loss. In desperation I finally started plugging things directly into the wall outlet to see if that would help. Well simply plugging my preamp into the wall outlet improved the timbre noticeably. On the bright side, that conditioner did give me what I thought was a very black background. In fact, a fellow AudioCircle member visited last year and the first thing he mentioned was how dark the background was.
I ended up calling James Tanner and mentioned my power conditioner/wall outlet timbre problem to him and he recommended trying a BIT. Interestingly James never promised any large improvements in sound quality - but he said there may possibly be some minor improvements. He did tell me that the BIT would protect my gear for years and wouldn't harm the sound at all. Sounded like the BIT was perfect for my setup, but I was still hesitant - the BIT costs at least twice as much as any of my previous power conditioners.
The BIT arrived and after maneuvering it into my equipment rack (not easy, since it is as heavy as my amp) I decided that I might as well plug everything (including my 14B SST2 amp) into the BIT and see if I could hear a difference. I wasn't expecting much and assumed that the BIT would need some break in time before I would be able to hear any minor changes.
Well, I was flat out stunned. James had completely undersold the BIT and I immediately notice that the music was smoother, and more "real" sounding than I have ever heard with my setup. By smoother I don't mean blurred or a loss of detail - there was actually more detail now. I'm not sure how to describe the smoothness I was hearing other than to say that the music seemed more effortless. Everything on the soundstage was more clearly defined and it was easier than ever to follow individual instruments or singers throughout a song. I finally am able to hear what people have described as "the back of the soundstage" and I can only attribute that to having a blacker background than I was used to. Instrument timbre is much better - shockingly so. I can't think of any aspect of the sound that hasn't been improved by the BIT.
To top it off, the Bryston BIT also should do a much better job at protecting our electronics. I couldn't be more thrilled with the BIT.
Well done Bryston/Torus and thank you James!
-Greg
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Can I use a bit20/torus rm20 on a 15 amp outlet?
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Godfrey Daniel, yours is a helpful post, Og. (Og Ogilby, what a euphonious appellation.)
James and BIT owners, I'd appreciate your advice.
Background
I use an APC S20 for our source components because of its battery backup, as we get occasional brief power outages, just enough to have to reset gear. Yet, I'm not a fan of the MOV design. For our outboard components, two subs and the TV, which are on a dedicated 20-amp circuit, I use three of the compact Brickwall series-mode two-outlet surge protectors.
Question
My 6BSST(C) and two 4BSST(C) amps plug directly into another dedicated 20-amp circuit, so I'm interested the BIT. Would one BIT handle all three amps? Which BIT would be apt?
Got to go milk the elk,
Rich
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Whiney Napa Valley
The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
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James, I'd like to second skunark's request for a 19-inch faceplate for the BITs, ideally with handles. My 6BSST weighs about the same as the BIT-20, and the handles are very helpful in maneuvering this hefty unit.
Rich
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Whiney Napa Valley
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scb,you can use a 20a BIT on a 15a outlet :thumb:.
I'm sure if you order thru Bryston that they have 20a female(bit side) to 15a male plug(receptacle side)power cable.
Torus has also so I'm sure Bryston has them also.
I had sold my one 20a Torus which came with 20a male plug and the buyer asked the same thing so I turned him on to Bryston and Torus for a 20a to 15a PC.
Only reason I sold the 20a as I had a long enough PC to plug my sub into the 60a Torus :green:.
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Is everyone using the stock power cord on their BIT/Torus model?
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Is everyone using the stock power cord on their BIT/Torus model?
Not here. PM me if you want more info as I don't want to see this thread turn into another tedious audiophile slap-fight about cables and cords. :roll:
D.D.
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Not here. PM me if you want more info as I don't want to see this thread turn into another tedious audiophile slap-fight about cables and cords. :roll:
D.D. Good idea :lol:
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Not here. PM me if you want more info as I don't want to see this thread turn into another tedious audiophile slap-fight about cables and cords. :roll:
D.D.
Hah, I thought about putting some sort of disclaimer in my post about that :)
Thanks
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Not here. PM me if you want more info as I don't want to see this thread turn into another tedious audiophile slap-fight about cables and cords. :roll:
D.D.
...just fair, DD! :thumb:
al.
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Yes, we have grown tired of subjective debates and we are becoming rather a boring group because of this fear. :|
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seems to be the case sometimes :scratch:
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Godfrey Daniel, yours is a helpful post, Og. (Og Ogilby, what a euphonious appellation.)
Rich
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:lol: Rich, you are the first person to figure out where the name came from!
-Greg
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Yes, we have grown tired of subjective debates and we are becoming rather a boring group because of this fear. :|
I've grown tired of endless, fruitless debates that attract the usual suspects to fling poo at each other like monkeys until the long-suffering moderator of this Circle has to wade in, sweep up all the poo that's been flung and dump it into the IGW. He's got better things to do. So do I. If that's boring, then colour me boring.
And loving it ! :D
D.D.
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Seems you are slinging a bit yourself hahahaha :wink:
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Not my intent at all, spinner. :D
It's just that we've all seen what happens when the folks who see things one way get set upon by the folks who see things another way in terms of certain hot button issues and cables / cords might be the hottest of all. No one is ever convinced. Nothing is ever resolved. It may seem as though the Bryston Circle has grown less...controversial but if you check out other audio sites, this is where anyone who wants Bryston-related info is encouraged to visit. And if you want Bryston-related discord to get your juices flowing, there's always Canuck. :lol:
D.D.
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One thing i did was set all the power cables to the shortest practical length.
Neater, and in a few cases reduced the resistance by 80%.
I always keep a rack of spare leads so can upgrade if the supplied leads are below standard.
Room / power outlets are symmetrical so the lengths are the same for each channel.
Maybe i'm just a bit obsessive!
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I hooked up a BIT-20 2 days ago. The gear is in a closet and I noticed that the BIT-20 is giving off some heat. My Audio Magic XXX that it replaced did not get warm.
Are there any published numbers on the power draw of the actual BIT-20 unit itself?
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I hooked up a BIT-20 2 days ago. The gear is in a closet and I noticed that the BIT-20 is giving off some heat. My Audio Magic XXX that it replaced did not get warm.
Are there any published numbers on the power draw of the actual BIT-20 unit itself?
The power on all BIT models are presented in terms of the maximum current available. For BIT-20, it is 20 A at 120V, which is equivalent to 2400 VA.
Thanks,
Henry
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I guess I meant if I have nothing turned on that's plugged into it, how much should I expect my electric bill to go up? I figure if the BIT is warm, it's using up some power even when nothing plugged into it is being used
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I guess I meant if I have nothing turned on that's plugged into it, how much should I expect my electric bill to go up? I figure if the BIT is warm, it's using up some power even when nothing plugged into it is being used
Hi James,
The idling power is around 70 W.
Henry
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I have 20a and a 60a and they are on 24/7.
Use to have my amps on all the time also,my extra power bill was 40-60 a month more.
Four amps I use are 28's 7and 4Bsst,now I turn the amps off except the breaker is left on in the back of the amps.
The Torus(s) and ALL components are on 24/7,been since 06 I believe :o.
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Hi James,
The idling power is around 70 W.
Henry
Thank you
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Hello Guys / Mr James,
I am planning to buy BIT 15 (230V version) but I am not sure if it is enough for my gears:
1. Bryston 4bsst2
2. Audio Research LS27
3. Anthem Statement d2v3d
4. Anthem Statement A5
5. BDP-2
4. BDA-2
Currently I am staying here in Abu Dhabi UAE which has 220v 50hz. But after my job contract here is finished, I am going back to Philippines which has 220v 60hz.
So I have two questions:
1. Is BIT 15 amps enough for my gears?
2. Can I use the BIT 15 (230v) in UAE as well as in Philippines considering frequency difference (50 & 60hz)?
Please help. Thanks a lot.
jhameeh
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Any input guys? Thanks
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Hi jhameeh
No problem at all using the BIT in UAE and Philippines.
At 240 volts the 4B draws about 3 amps at full power and the rest of your gear is no concern at all.
james
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Hi jhameeh
No problem at all using the BIT in UAE and Philippines.
At 240 volts the 4B draws about 3 amps at full power and the rest of your gear is no concern at all.
james
Thanks a lot Mr. James. Is Bit 20 better or Bit 15 is enough? Are they both available in 220v? My aftermarket power cords are all nema 5-15p. Can i use this power cord in Bit 20?
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Thanks a lot Mr. James. Is Bit 20 better or Bit 15 is enough? Are they both available in 220v? My aftermarket power cords are all nema 5-15p.
The 240 volt units are rated differntly at 240 - the amperage is cut in half. So order the 8 or 16 Amp 240 volt BIT. Can you send me a picture of your plug?
james
jamestanner@bryston.com
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Email sent. Thanks
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Hi jhameeh
No problem at all using the BIT in UAE and Philippines.
At 240 volts the 4B draws about 3 amps at full power and the rest of your gear is no concern at all.
james
James,
the 4B draws up to 3 amps at full power/240v as you say. what about the rest of Bryston's current amplifier lineup?
is it possible to get an overview from let's say a 2B LP all the way up to a 28B and their demand of amperes in a 240v system?
thanx,
al.
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James,
the 4B draws up to 3 amps at full power/240v as you say. what about the rest of Bryston's current amplifier lineup?
is it possible to get an overview from let's say a 2B LP all the way up to a 28B and their demand of amperes in a 240v system?
thanx,
al.
Hi Al,
At 240V the current draw is 1/2 of that at 120V so the amps vary from 2 amps to 18 amps depending on model.
james
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James,
Any update on the 19" faceplate for BIT?
Thanks,
Jim
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James,
Any update on the 19" faceplate for BIT?
Thanks,
Jim
Hi Jim
There does not seem to be much demand for the 19 inch version so I do not think we will be offering that version in the near future.
james
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if anyone's in the market for a bit 20, i'm selling mine. located in New York City, would prefer to sell to US. would be even nicer if I didn't have to ship it, but I will if I have to...
have it posted in the for sale section and on audiogon
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scb, I seen that the other day,she looks well looked after.
I thought about it as my 1812 sub is plugged into my 60a Torus along with my 28's+7Bsst.
Seems fine as far as it draining the Torus(had that happen years ago)to many amps+subs in a 15a Torus,when I got a 20a Torus and split them up it was holy crap.
Any,back to your BIT 20a,as our Can dollar is .90c to the US dollar,we would lose another couple hundred and plus I believe the Credit card company adjusts the Can/US difference also,otherwise I might have BIT(no PUN).
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Speaking of the BIT-20, I have a question. It's obviosuly a 20A product so to get the most out of it vs the BIT-15 or just using the 20->15 power cord one would need a 20A outlet. For the 28's, obviously the BIT-20 seems ideal for these amps however if one doesn't and can't rewire for 20A does that mean there is nothing gained by using the BIT-20 (and the 20->15 power cord) vs a BIT-15? The 28's are still at the end of the day 15A designed amps afterall, not 20A.
Thanks
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BIT 15 Isolation Transformer
December 2014
Mr. Tanner,
I've been and Audio Amateur for almost 45 years, starting when I was 10 with my first PAS/Stereo 70 and Advent Large speakers.
I have to tell you that one of the most significant upgrades to any of my systems is the BIT-15. I have a Bryston loaded system that includes the BDA-1, BDP-2, 4B SST2 wrapped by ARC LS-27 and Sonus Faber Cremona M's.
I thought my system was complete once I introduced Cardas Clear XLR's and the music seemed in full bloom.
After reading much about the BIT I hesitantly purchased the BIT-15 to replace what I thought was a fine mid level Furman. The BIT opened up and maximized the potential of system beyond belief. The new extended range of sound is truly amazing. You would thought a sub woofer was added in somewhere in the room.
I've been blown away and I just wanted to let you know how happy I am with your products.
Regards,
Bruce A. Hepner
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Ordered the BIT16 230V version for Norway, very exited to try it out.
Do you have any pictures or literature of the BIT 16 ?
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Ordered the BIT16 230V version for Norway, very exited to try it out.
Do you have any pictures or literature of the BIT 16 ?
Hi
Great!!! - will see if I can find a pic.
james
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Hi
Great!!! - will see if I can find a pic.
james
Thank you sir :thumb:
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I will get the new front if I understood right.
Had to wait a little longer, but its worth it :thumb:
You know if they are sending a Bit16 with the new front to Norway soon ?
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I'm interested in a BIT, but I have two questions that I can't seem to work out.
Firstly, there seem to be two versions, one that just conditions the power, and one that conditions the power and also protects against surges and lightning strikes?, is this the case? Is this called series mode protection?
http://www.addictedtoaudio.com.au/product/bryston-bit4-power-conditioner-with-australian-plugs
That is one I am looking at, does that provide power protection as well as conditioning?
And Secondly, I've heard conflicting things about the faceplates, I want a faceplate that matches my C style gear, but I've heard that some new BITs just have the plain flat face panel on the front, without the bevelled edge or groove, is this true? Specifically for the unit in the link above?
Thanks.
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I will get the new front if I understood right.
Had to wait a little longer, but its worth it :thumb:
You know if they are sending a Bit16 with the new front to Norway soon ?
Hi
Email Melissa - she is the Export manager and she will know.
mmyles@bryston.com
james
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I'm interested in a BIT, but I have two questions that I can't seem to work out.
Firstly, there seem to be two versions, one that just conditions the power, and one that conditions the power and also protects against surges and lightning strikes?, is this the case? Is this called series mode protection?
http://www.addictedtoaudio.com.au/product/bryston-bit4-power-conditioner-with-australian-plugs
That is one I am looking at, does that provide power protection as well as conditioning?
And Secondly, I've heard conflicting things about the faceplates, I want a faceplate that matches my C style gear, but I've heard that some new BITs just have the plain flat face panel on the front, without the bevelled edge or groove, is this true? Specifically for the unit in the link above?
Thanks.
Hi
Yes that model has the isolation transformer as well as the surge protection but sorry those older faceplates are no longer available.
james
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Hi Folks,
Just a heads up Torus has broken away from Plitron and is now a separate company. We will still be able to offer our Bryston BIT isolation transformers through this new company and also add some extra versions (AVR 2).
BUT I have been informed that the prices will be going up about 10% in May.
james
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Thanks for the update. I had read about the split on the Torus Facebook page I think sometime over the past week or so and wondered if there would be any impact. It's cool to see that you'll now have access to the AVR2 models.
I assume no change in your faceplate cosmetics? 10% increase isn't bad, certainly could have been a lot worse.
When can we expect updated price lists including the new AVR2 models?
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Can you finally get your website updated appropriately? Either that or simply show a pic of the new faceplate design so people know what they are actually getting and rather than have a section for the 3 models you show now, get rid of that and simply provide links to all the appropriate Torus URLs for the products they make that you have models of. Either would be a lot more informative for people. For those simply browsing the internet and don't follow forums like these and don't have local dealers as far as they know you only make 3 models and they look completely different than what you actually sell.
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I am interested in a BIT as well but am not sure what models/versions are currently available and what functionality each offers. Can we get a list of the models with pricing please?
thx..
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James, would you be able to post an updated product and price sheet with the new AVR2 models?
So would the price increase on existing BIT models actually be more than 10%? I believe I remember reading you mentioning somewhere that perhaps all Bryston products were going up in price, did that happen yet and if so appx how much was increase? I'm not sure if the increase was for everyone or just for Canada though. I'm just trying to determine if a price jump is more like 20% or whatever the BIT 10% plus all Bryston product increase was/is.
Thanks
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James, would you be able to post an updated product and price sheet with the new AVR2 models?
So would the price increase on existing BIT models actually be more than 10%? I believe I remember reading you mentioning somewhere that perhaps all Bryston products were going up in price, did that happen yet and if so appx how much was increase? I'm not sure if the increase was for everyone or just for Canada though. I'm just trying to determine if a price jump is more like 20% or whatever the BIT 10% plus all Bryston product increase was/is.
Thanks
Hi
Yes I will try and post the new prices. For instance I believe the BIT 15 is going from $2195 to $2495.
James
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Thanks James
I assume you meant the BIT 15, not 20, as I don't think I've ever seen a 20 MSRP that low, not even on the IS model.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=141150)
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BRYSTON BIT AVR SERIES
BIT AVR-1 Models
Description
Bryston BIT Power AVR models add Automatic Voltage Regulation to the standard BIT power features, thereby enhancing protection against voltage sags, brownouts and surges. Ethernet connectivity and RS232 interface makes AVR models ideal for basic home monitoring applications.
BIT AVR models will keep the output constant within the range of 115 Volts to 125Volts, with an input voltage of 90V to 130V. Between 85V to 90V, and between 130V and 135V, the regulation will be reduced.
Balanced Input is available on many BIT models, providing an additional stage of noise cancellation. BIT AVR versions with balanced input will keep the output constant within the range of 115 Volts to 125 Volts, with an input voltage of 170V to 270V.
Features
• IP addressable with built-in web browser interface – allows remote monitoring and control
• Password protection control
• Automatic email notification on fault condition
• RS-232 control — compatible with Crestron and other control systems
• Switch-On Safety Delay (5 seconds) when power turned on / restored
• Cloud based monitoring and control through ihiji, and other systems
• Front panel display shows voltage conditions (input / output voltage), current draw, and IP address
BIT AVR-2 Models - Custom Control
• All features of the above BIT AVR Series
• Individually addressable outlet zones – 4 zones for 15A and 20A models; 7 zones for 45A, 60A,
• Power-up sequencing with selectable delay time between zones
• Scheduling features allows automatic control (on/off) of any outlet zone
• Schedule up to 6 events per day per zone
• Automatic reboot feature allows remote restart of routers and modems if internet connection lost
• Schedule remains active when internet connection is lost, if system power maintained
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Thanks for posting that info.
So it looks like one series model of Tours you aren't offering is the 15 Plus. I'm just curious what it was about that model that you didn't think would be a good seller compared to the standard 15 series and the 20 series.
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Thanks for posting that info.
So it looks like one series model of Tours you aren't offering is the 15 Plus. I'm just curious what it was about that model that you didn't think would be a good seller compared to the standard 15 series and the 20 series.
HI
The 15 Plus just has a slightly bigger transformer than the standard 15 and the price is too close to the 20 that gets you a lot more for your money.
james
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Gotcha, thanks
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Would those prices be in US and Canadian?
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Would those prices be in US and Canadian?
Currently yes.
james
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Thanks
The Canadian dollar is slowly coming up but I suspect not fast enough to hold off our increase :)
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Does Bryston have Torus do anything additional to the Torus models before they have them shipped to Bryston? I'm just curious if they are identical in their performance specs. If the same and if some one already had a Torus unit, well I suppose a more recent model as I know the cosmetics on Torus units have changed over time and for that matter so has the Brsyton faceplates could one order a faceplate from Bryston and it would actually fit a Torus unit?
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Does Bryston have Torus do anything additional to the Torus models before they have them shipped to Bryston? I'm just curious if they are identical in their performance specs. If the same and if some one already had a Torus unit, well I suppose a more recent model as I know the cosmetics on Torus units have changed over time and for that matter so has the Brsyton faceplates could one order a faceplate from Bryston and it would actually fit a Torus unit?
Hi
They are identical other than the faceplates but we would not offer a faceplate change as it would create too much confusion in the marketplace.
james
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Thanks
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Hi. Which model of BIT come with surge protection?
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Hi. Which model of BIT come with surge protection?
Hi
Only the IS versions do NOT have surge protection all other versions do.
james
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I've been spending time looking at the AVR vs AVR2 specs on Torus' website just to get a better handle on all of the AVR2 series features because I'm not sure if I would ever use those features (they have a really nice breakdown in their manuals with of course detailed instructions). While browsing around I noticed that I no longer see the IS series on Torus' website (aside from in the manuals section), so just curious, how is Bryston still able to offer a couple models as it seems the series was discontinued? Did you have excess stock?
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Hi
Yes they are being discontinued due to poor sales of that version.
I may be able to get you one. Email me if you want me to check.
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Thanks James.
It was merely a curiosity question. I'll actually be going either the AVR or AVR2 route plus a RM model, or dual AVR/AVR2.
I assume there is no degradation in performance if one gets a AVR/AVR2 unit and doesn't actually need the voltage regulation at the time of purchase?
It seems to come up at lot that if one doesn't need the voltage regulation to not get one of those models, that seems to be the direction people are guided. I assume that's simply to save people money in that there's no point in spending extra money or blowing a budget for a feature a person may never need.
My train of thought for my personal use is better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it providing the feature doesn't somehow slightly degrade/compromise performance a bit either by the mere nature of the technology or having it in a signal path when it has absolutely nothing to do, or a combination of the two.
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Thanks James.
It was merely a curiosity question. I'll actually be going either the AVR or AVR2 route plus a RM model, or dual AVR/AVR2.
I assume there is no degradation in performance if one gets a AVR/AVR2 unit and doesn't actually need the voltage regulation at the time of purchase?
It seems to come up at lot that if one doesn't need the voltage regulation to not get one of those models, that seems to be the direction people are guided. I assume that's simply to save people money in that there's no point in spending extra money or blowing a budget for a feature a person may never need.
My train of thought for my personal use is better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it providing the feature doesn't somehow slightly degrade/compromise performance a bit either by the mere nature of the technology or having it in a signal path when it has absolutely nothing to do, or a combination of the two.
Hi Rod
The AVR is a totally separate module that gets added so it does not reduce any of the performance characteristics of the standard BIT
james
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That's good news to hear, thanks.
If getting any of the 20 series models (which I expect I will, probably multiple) I may wait until a particular IEC inlet comes out so I can have that factory installed rather than the standard. The 15amp version of the inlet has already been released as have the receptacles.
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Individually addressable outlet zones – 4 zones for 15A and 20A models; 7 zones for 45A, 60A
James
Are this new generation BIT units?
Is this mean that 1 BIT unit can serve for two systems
In different rooms?
Thanks
Itshak
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Individually addressable outlet zones – 4 zones for 15A and 20A models; 7 zones for 45A, 60A
James
Are this new generation BIT units?
Is this mean that 1 BIT unit can serve for two systems
In different rooms?
Thanks
Itshak
Hi
Just the AVR2 has the zone feature.
It is not a new generation just an added feature to the standard BITs
james
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Ok thanks.
Interesting possible upgrade path for later on.
Itshak
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Bryston BIT
I recently replaced a “power regenerator” from a Colorado based manufacturer with the Bryston BIT. I liked the feature set on the “regenerator”- web enabled, the ability to control zones, and a nice LED display. I was disappointed when it failed after 5 years.
This failure ended up being a blessing in disguise. I have been aware of the BIT product for years and took this opportunity to upgrade from the regenerator to an isolation transformer based conditioner. My system is primarily Bryston- Model T’s, 14B, BDA-2, BDP-1. The 14B already has the BIT technology built in, so I use the BIT for the digital side and pre-amp.
I wasn’t sure what to expect, but the improvement surprised me, actually floored me! The most immediate improvement was the low end. The bass is noticeably deeper and better controlled with the image being more stable.
The Bryston BIT is the real deal, unlike other conditioners on the market.
Rich Jackson
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Sounds like a PS Audio product that failed since they are coincidently located in Colorado.
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HI Folks
Here is a review on the Torus unit but it is identical to our Bryston BIT units.
http://www.stereotimes.com/post/torus-avr-20-ac-conditioner/
james
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If one was to go with two BIT-15's (or 15AVR's) over a single BIT-20 (or 20AVR or 20AVR2) for powering 2 7B-SST2's, a single BIT-15 powering a single 7B-SST2, how much performance is given up over the single 20? Would it be noticeable?
I realize it's cheaper to go with a single 20 and overall it's the better choice in this situation given the discussions earlier in this thread but if logistics make that difficult because the 7's are so far apart how bad is the trade off in performance?
Thanks
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I thought the 7B3 s already had BIT technology, so why would you need them at all?...Thnx , Bryston fan....
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Easy, surge protection.
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If one was to go with two BIT-15's (or 15AVR's) over a single BIT-20 (or 20AVR or 20AVR2) for powering 2 7B-SST2's, a single BIT-15 powering a single 7B-SST2, how much performance is given up over the single 20? Would it be noticeable?
I realize it's cheaper to go with a single 20 and overall it's the better choice in this situation given the discussions earlier in this thread but if logistics make that difficult because the 7's are so far apart how bad is the trade off in performance?
Thanks
Any thoughts on this James?
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Any thoughts on this James?
Hi
The only issue I have run into with the single 15 amp BITS is because the isolation transformer is smaller in the BIT 15 relative to the single BIT 20 and there is a potential for the smaller transformer to saturate when high current is required. The 20 does not seem to have that issue even with two 7B's connected. Given the logistics of the amplifiers placed wide apart then I think two 15 units should be fine with a single 15 on each amplifier.
james
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Thanks James
Something I just observed, the 7's are a larger comment dimension size vs the BIT15's. Are the transformers inside the 7's larger than those in the 15's or are they both basically the same and the 7's are just larger to accommodate a lot more innards as it were over and above what the 15's would have?
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The transformers in the 7B are larger than the 15 amp BIT
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Very interesting, thanks
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Are there still old style BIT faceplates available for purchase if one wanted to change colors on a BIT model before the new style was implemented?
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Are there still old style BIT faceplates available for purchase if one wanted to change colors on a BIT model before the new style was implemented?
Hi Rod
No sorry... no older faceplates available.
james
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OK, thanks James
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Mr. Tanner, which of the new cubed amplifiers have the BIT technology built in?
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Mr. Tanner, which of the new cubed amplifiers have the BIT technology built in?
Hi
It is not all the BIT technology but the 7B, 14B and 28B have the same type of transformers as used in the BIT.
james
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Ok, thanks for your reply.
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Hi James... received the BIT-15 yesterday. Thanks for such prompt delivery.
Just installed it about an hour ago. Very impressive improvement - especially in regard to picture quality. But, sound quality also went up a few notches, as well.
Not sure about break in ... it sounds so good right out of the box. But, I'm sure there will be "some" further improvement with more time on the unit.
Will get back to you in more detail in about a week or so.
First impressions: the BIT-15 is a significant upgrade for any dedicated audiophile or videophile. Does an excellent job in all respects.
Will provide more reaction to the unit as time goes on.
My guess is that I just bought about the best power conditioner on the market.
Sure performs that way.
Thanks again,
Brent
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Hi James!
I am reviving an old thread here but I was wondering if you could answer a few questions for me:
1. What is the smallest (lowest amperage rating) BIT model available for continental European market (Germany etc.)?
2. Is this model suitable for driving a BDP-2, BDA-2, BHA-1 and a 60 Wpc integrated amplifier?
3. Is this model available in all 3 series; IS, Standard, AVR; and what are their respective prices?
4. What are the available options for this model?
Thanks!
Antun
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Hi James!
I am reviving an old thread here but I was wondering if you could answer a few questions for me:
1. What is the smallest (lowest amperage rating) BIT model available for continental European market (Germany etc.)?
2. Is this model suitable for driving a BDP-2, BDA-2, BHA-1 and a 60 Wpc integrated amplifier?
3. Is this model available in all 3 series; IS, Standard, AVR; and what are their respective prices?
4. What are the available options for this model?
Thanks!
Antun
Hi Antun
1. I believe it is the BIT 4 (amp)
2. I would say the BIT 8 would be the better option
3. Yes
4. The prices would be set by the distributor.
james
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Hi Antun
1. I believe it is the BIT 4 (amp)
2. I would say the BIT 8 would be the better option
3. Yes
4. The prices would be set by the distributor.
james
Thanks James!
Are these available with silver and black dress panels, 17'' and 19''?
I will contact the distributor and ask about the prices.
Cheers!
Antun
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I think just Silver but check with the distributor.
james
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I think just Silver but check with the distributor.
james
Okay, thanks!
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hi james
on my BIT-20, i just noticed some of the outlets on the back of the unit have green dots beside them.
what do these represent? :scratch:
thanks, TJ
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hi james
on my BIT-20, i just noticed some of the outlets on the back of the unit have green dots beside them.
what do these represent? :scratch:
thanks, TJ
Hi TJ,
I asked for Red but they keep giving me Green :duh:
james
PS - I have no idea but I will find out.
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Hi James,
The outlets used on the BIT 20 are Hubbell hospital grade outlets. There is one green dot on each duplex outlet to recognize that the outlets have been tested and meet the hospital grade standards. This green dot is a nationally recognized symbol in Canada and USA.
Please let us know if there are any additional questions.
Thanks,
Kevin
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Who knew! Thanks for getting an answer JT.
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Hello Mr. Tanner,
I have a Bryston 14 sst2 amp and 2 Dayton 1000 sub amps, plus the usual preamp and digital media devices. I am installing a dedicated 20 amp line for audio. Do you recommend a Torus/Bryston BIT for conditioning or a SurgeX for surge suppression and filtration or will these limit the dynamics of the amplifier? i live in a rural area prone to bad weather and occasional brown outs and have a whole house generator for times when I lose power.
Thanks.
JIM
Hello Jim,
Great question and one of the reasons we decided to offer the BIT (Bryston Isolation Transformer).
The 20 amp dedicated line is definitely the way to go so that's an excellent choice.
The concern we had with the power line conditioners we saw in the market was they were restricting dynamics as you mentioned and we found that was because the isolation transformers being used were much too small for the amperage require. So the 20 amp isolation transformer in the BIT is designed for 40 amps and as a result does not impede the transient response of the music.
The BIT also allows for a very low output impedance on the power being delivered to the amplifier which in turn allows for better transient response for the amplifier.
Lastly the BIT is a true Isolation transformer - not just a filter - and your gear is actually working off the magnetic field between the primary and secondary sections of the transformer. So the input side of the system is never seen by the output side. Its like having your own in house power grid. Also the SurgeX is built into the BIT as well.
Sonically Jim I think you will notice a much better transient response in your system and a much more extended sound-stage in both depth and width as well as a dead quiet background.
Hope this helps.
james
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=200867)
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BIT Isolation Transformer/Power Conditioner
November 2019
James,
“It’s hard to explain to people how much noise is imposing on the system until it is gone.
I have had the Bryston BIT20 isolation transformer in operation for a while now, and it has done exactly what I had hoped it would do.
I am now able to connect the two separate audio and video systems, fed off of separate circuits, and there is no hum whatsoever.
Even more than that, though, I now have the lowest noise floor I have ever obtained in 26 years of living in our current home.
All the myriad of little buzzes and hums have simply vanished. This is bliss, and what I had hoped to get from utilizing an isolation transformer.
What I had not expected, however, were the other gains I have experienced. As others have commented before, it is as if the entire system has become supercharged. Dynamics and bass response have been freed, and it is all too easy to play song after song long after I really should have gone to sleep! Remarkable.
I can’t think of any system that wouldn’t be improved by your Bryson BIT devices, which also play well with other solutions.
I can’t thank you enough, and kudos are due all around!”
Best,
Rich
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I just purchased a Torus TOT Mini and it should be here next Wed. I realize it's not a BIT in name but certainly in deed.
I want to give a shout out to Ross at Torus who was very helpful with my questions. This is for my front end equipment and I wanted to be sure I properly sized capacity. he asked for a list of the equipment and got back to me with the expected load and assured me I was well within spec. Outstanding pre-sales service!
The TOT Mini even has a 5.1v USB output that will be used to power my Schiit Modi 3 DAC that is used with my AppleTV. My TV is actually just a monitor, no tuner or audio circuits and no connection to cable or external tuner so I needed something. It will be nice to get rid of the piece of Schiit wall wart - it puts an unbelievable amount of hash on the line. Perhaps there is a Bryston DAC 3 in my future. But this works for now.
And I'm still expecting to add a BIT 20 for my 28's. Since they already have the Plitron transformers I wanted to clean up the source component power first. I have a dedicated 20 amp line so that is good.