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« Reply #1500 on: 20 Dec 2013, 11:49 pm »
Hi Folks,

Because they are more alike than different:

Here is a link to a new Bryston Speaker Brochure which includes both the Model T and Model A Series.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/5gpj2lr56dm0lf1/Bryston%20Model%20T%20and%20Model%20A%20Loudspeakers%20B%20-%201214%20web.pdf

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« Reply #1501 on: 28 Dec 2013, 01:41 pm »
Hi Folks,

COMING SOON - REVIEW FROM SOUNDSTAGE MAGAZINE ON








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« Reply #1502 on: 28 Dec 2013, 02:21 pm »
They really do have a nice look.Would be even better to hear them.

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« Reply #1503 on: 1 Jan 2014, 03:58 pm »
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T Speaker Review – Soundstage Magazine


Hi Folks,

New review from Soundstage Magazine on the Bryston Mini T loudspeaker!

My favorite comment:

“Their sound was uncolored -- neither forward nor recessed, fat nor thin, romantic nor analytical. In what was basically an all-Bryston system, the Mini Ts were simply conduits at the end of a disinterested signal chain that reproduced music with clarity, a sense of ease, and excellent soundstaging”.

Please see link:
http://www.soundstageaccess.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/526

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Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
« Reply #1504 on: 1 Jan 2014, 07:32 pm »
James, seems like another good product of yours.

Just a bit of background - unfortunately, I bought BCD-1 last year which caused retun of my audiophilia disease (thought I had it cured 10 years ago). ;)

Started with BHA-1 & mentioned BCD-1 hooked up to Senheiser HD800 headphones. While sounds OK, I am now missing "decent" loudspeaker system (Amp+Speakers).
Unfortunately it would have to not only fit into small room (W12ft x L16 ft x H7.5ft), but also be capable of playing decently at very low sound levels.
I've read Mini-T's are great when it comes to high SPL, but would the fit the bill when it comes to given requirements (or should I wait for Micro-T ? ;) ).
The second question is (I know I should listen to the equipment first prior to purchasing - but just trying to narrow the list down) - which amp? Considering room size I thought about either B135 or 2B-SST2 and BHA-1 as a pre-amp?

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« Reply #1505 on: 1 Jan 2014, 08:13 pm »
James, seems like another good product of yours.

Just a bit of background - unfortunately, I bought BCD-1 last year which caused retun of my audiophilia disease (thought I had it cured 10 years ago). ;)

Started with BHA-1 & mentioned BCD-1 hooked up to Senheiser HD800 headphones. While sounds OK, I am now missing "decent" loudspeaker system (Amp+Speakers).
Unfortunately it would have to not only fit into small room (W12ft x L16 ft x H7.5ft), but also be capable of playing decently at very low sound levels.
I've read Mini-T's are great when it comes to high SPL, but would the fit the bill when it comes to given requirements (or should I wait for Micro-T ? ;) ).
The second question is (I know I should listen to the equipment first prior to purchasing - but just trying to narrow the list down) - which amp? Considering room size I thought about either B135 or 2B-SST2 and BHA-1 as a pre-amp?

Hi Zolty

Given your room size I would look at the MINI T or MIDDLE T (if you want a floorstander)

The ability to play at higher levels without dynamic distortion does not affect the ability to provide similar quality and resolution at low levels if designed properly.

Here is an anechoic measurement showing the frequency response at 90dB as well as 110dB on the Model T - notice how it does not change at very low levels as well as very high levels.





I would recommend the 2,5B and the BHA-1 if you use your headphones a lot as the BHA will be better into the quality headphones than the headphone jack in the B135.

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« Reply #1506 on: 1 Jan 2014, 10:36 pm »
Wow!
I was not expecting the answer today! Happy New Year James!

The BHA-1 stays - as headphones will still remain my main way of listening. While installing B135 would allow me to use RC, the Power Amp XLR connections are tempting (not sure if it's BCD or BHA - or both - but balanced connection gives huge improvement of SQ over the CINCH).

When I mentioned quiet listening, I thought more of a "background" music - i.e. really quiet.
While on the power amp - one of the providers in my country 9Poland) has a power amp described as 2BSST2 - can not find such a thing on Bryston's website. I'll need to contact him after the new year - maybe he meant 2.5BSST2, or 2BSST(not 2).

Thanks for the extremly quick response.

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« Reply #1507 on: 1 Jan 2014, 11:13 pm »
Wow!
I was not expecting the answer today! Happy New Year James!

The BHA-1 stays - as headphones will still remain my main way of listening. While installing B135 would allow me to use RC, the Power Amp XLR connections are tempting (not sure if it's BCD or BHA - or both - but balanced connection gives huge improvement of SQ over the CINCH).

When I mentioned quiet listening, I thought more of a "background" music - i.e. really quiet.
While on the power amp - one of the providers in my country 9Poland) has a power amp described as 2BSST2 - can not find such a thing on Bryston's website. I'll need to contact him after the new year - maybe he meant 2.5BSST2, or 2BSST(not 2).

Thanks for the extremly quick response.

The 2B SST was an earlier version rated at 100 watts.

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Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
« Reply #1508 on: 3 Jan 2014, 08:53 pm »
James: Any AX-1 digital crossover updates? Still tweaking the T-signature response or AX-1 hardware itself?

Would the AX-1 be suitable for a DIY speaker builder?
I realize your current custom user interface is probably non existent, but I can probably deal with that with the help from my co-workers. I am a wood worker and digital ASIC specialist at heart, but I work with a large geek team, from theoretical mathematicians and Matlab / DSP / FPGA to board designers.

I have gotten pretty good with OMNI-MIC measurements, analog parametric EQ and my 10B-std but I need a lot more more flexibility for my next vision. Something loosely based on the following open baffle monster.
http://www.serenityacoustics.com/products/thesingularity.html

Alternate crossover options have been whittled down to another Canadian pro competitor. 
http://xilica.com/products/x-series-2/
If the AX-1 is not DIY suitable, do you have any other suggestions?

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« Reply #1509 on: 3 Jan 2014, 09:01 pm »
James: Any AX-1 digital crossover updates? Still tweaking the T-signature response or AX-1 hardware itself?

Would the AX-1 be suitable for a DIY speaker builder?
I realize your current custom user interface is probably non existent, but I can probably deal with that with the help from my co-workers. I am a wood worker and digital ASIC specialist at heart, but I work with a large geek team, from theoretical mathematicians and Matlab / DSP / FPGA to board designers.

I have gotten pretty good with OMNI-MIC measurements, analog parametric EQ and my 10B-std but I need a lot more more flexibility for my next vision. Something loosely based on the following open baffle monster.
http://www.serenityacoustics.com/products/thesingularity.html

Alternate crossover options have been whittled down to another Canadian pro competitor. 
http://xilica.com/products/x-series-2/
If the AX-1 is not suitable, do you have any other suggestions?

Shawn

Hi Shawn

We have not done a lot of work on the AX1 yet as we are still evaluating some of the new DAC's.  It will be a dedicated crossover for the Model T Active speakers though not a universal crossover.

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Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
« Reply #1510 on: 5 Jan 2014, 02:38 am »
The 2B SST was an earlier version rated at 100 watts.

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Thank you James - seems like it is 2B-SST2 on the shelf.
Would integrated B135 be powrful enough to drive MiniTs (I know 2x28B-SSt2 would be optimal, but .... ), considering room size and low SPL levels or should I look into 4B-SST2 and start saving for proper pre-amp?

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« Reply #1511 on: 5 Jan 2014, 12:24 pm »
Thank you James - seems like it is 2B-SST2 on the shelf.
Would integrated B135 be powrful enough to drive MiniTs (I know 2x28B-SSt2 would be optimal, but .... ), considering room size and low SPL levels or should I look into 4B-SST2 and start saving for proper pre-amp?

I would say in a small room the B135 would be fine - we have 3 customers now with the B135 and a pair of Middle T's and one customer with Model T's in small rooms and all works well.

So a 4B would be ideal in most rooms under most conditions.

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« Reply #1512 on: 15 Jan 2014, 11:50 pm »
Hi James:

This is my first post on this forum. I'm a confessed Bryston addict having been turned onto Bryston by Andrew Marshall in the mid-90s.

I recently acquired a BDP-2 and BDA-2 to add to my BCD-1, BP-6 and 3BST amps. I'm running PMC LB1s and have not shown any interest in new speakers until the advent of Bryston's new models.

I think the Model Ts are just too much for the room I use to listen to music but the Middle Ts will be perfect. I have 2 questions:

1) Where can I audition a pair of Middle Ts in the Vancouver area; and
2) Will a pair of 3BSTs be sufficient to drive them and if so, how would you reccommend wiring them up to the speakers (i.e. bi-wiring or running the amps in bridged mode).

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« Reply #1513 on: 16 Jan 2014, 02:14 am »
Hi James:

This is my first post on this forum. I'm a confessed Bryston addict having been turned onto Bryston by Andrew Marshall in the mid-90s.

I recently acquired a BDP-2 and BDA-2 to add to my BCD-1, BP-6 and 3BST amps. I'm running PMC LB1s and have not shown any interest in new speakers until the advent of Bryston's new models.

I think the Model Ts are just too much for the room I use to listen to music but the Middle Ts will be perfect. I have 2 questions:

1) Where can I audition a pair of Middle Ts in the Vancouver area; and
2) Will a pair of 3BSTs be sufficient to drive them and if so, how would you reccommend wiring them up to the speakers (i.e. bi-wiring or running the amps in bridged mode).

Cheers.

Hi Lorax

HI- Fi Center on Seymour St our dealer in Vancouver I believe has the Middle T. - ask for Igor

The Middle T;s need about 100 watts under most conditions so the 3B should be just fine.

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« Reply #1514 on: 16 Jan 2014, 03:03 am »
Custom Model T in Gloss White:



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« Reply #1515 on: 16 Jan 2014, 06:19 pm »
Nice! :thumb:

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« Reply #1516 on: 19 Jan 2014, 04:26 pm »
VERY NICE !!!  Any other gloss finish options?

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« Reply #1517 on: 19 Jan 2014, 05:19 pm »
VERY NICE !!!  Any other gloss finish options?

Not at this point - it takes 14 coats of paint with buffing in between - very labour intensive to do it correctly.

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« Reply #1518 on: 20 Jan 2014, 07:59 pm »
The Bryston Mini T – A New Reference

Over four decades ago, I took my first steps into a special form of insanity: I became a novice audiophile. It is a craziness that consists of reaching for an unreachable end, the sound of “live” music through a process that is entirely artificial, manufactured, in other words, reproduced sound. It is not unlike the insanity of trying to find the “real” potato chip in a highly processed one. The processed one can be delightful, but it can never be a real one. It is an image, a reproduction designed to imitate a real one. Being a audiophile is to become Jason pursuing the Golden Fleece, but knowing that it is unattainable. It is the chase and the stops along the way that keep you going. And on that journey, you have lots of good times and some bad ones. On occasion in chasing the Fleece, you get distracted and end up being fleeced purchasing gimmicks touted to have magical effects.

As a novice audiophile, I was advised to start with the speakers. Buy the best ones you can afford, with best meaning the ones whose sound you like the best, and then buy the electronics. It has been good advice to which I've adhered. I've owned a number of speakers and a lot of excellent electronics, most of which bear the Bryston logo. But the greatest changes always have come with changes in speakers. Early on, I looked for speakers that were linear or balanced, meaning that no frequency range dominated over any other. It was only years later that I added other useful criteria: accuracy, transparency, depth in the sound stage, pinpoint imaging. One knowledgeable audiophile has noted, correctly I believe, that a reference speaker for consumers means the one they like the best. If you are an audiophile, it also is a good idea to like speakers that are accurate, transparent, etc. because the whole point of your hobby (obsession?) is to get a close as possible to what the producers of the sound recording decided to release. If you're on the quest to get near the Golden Fleece of “real” (meaning to get out of the recording exactly what was put into it) you need to have the elements of “real” in as part of your mindset. Ironically, you can love the sound of your speakers, but they should not have any sound of their own. You don't want your glasses to be rose coloured unless all you want to see is roses. You don't want speakers that are all bass unless all you want to hear is bass.

Several years ago, I bought, twice, very expensive and beautiful sounding speakers that were highly coloured (a bass bias). Seduced by a beautiful sounding, but not accurate bass, I had drifted from my early goal of linear and when I finally heard much less expensive but very linear speakers in a side-by-side test, it was a shock. Being out many thousands of dollars, it was difficult to admit that I had misplaced my love. Those beautiful speakers are now gone. It was a pricey mistake, but through it I re-learned that in audio price is not a predictor of performance.  This lesson was first taught to me as a Bryston owner. In the high end audio market, there is a segment that caters to those customers who equate price to performance because there are enough rich people who do as well. Bryston, on the other hand, apparently believes there are enough people who are willing to pay for the highest quality product possible, even if that means charging a price lower than could be gotten from rich people. And Bryston has never been willing to squeeze an extra buck out of its customers by attracting them with bling.

It's not surprising then that I was one of the early buyers of the fabulous, bling-free Bryston Model T. It is driven by an all Bryston system: a pair of 7BSST2 amplifiers, BDA1, BDP-1, BIT15 Power Conditioner (under the Torus label). My sound room is fairly good in size and shape, if not ideal.

The Model T is now my reference speaker. Linear, accurate, etc. All I wanted. And more. A critical “more.” Presence - the sense that musicians are playing in the room. I never heard that before in my present or past sound rooms, or indeed in any demo of any speaker I've heard. If the elusive Golden Fleece is to hear “real” music, it is hard for me to conceive how much closer an audiophile can get to this.

So now my main system, the Sound room/Model T/Bryston electronics system, is my reference. I recognize that various applications and their respective environments inherently will be different from my main system environment. But still, I weigh the performance of my car stereo, my headphones, my home theatre my mobile devices with my headphones against my ModelT-based system. Where I find differences, I adjust these other systems, often through equalization, to achieve a closer approximation to my reference system. For example, after buying a number of headphones, I have found that Shure's new SE846 to be as close is possible for a headphone to get to the Model T sound, without EQ. They now are my reference headphones against which I judge other headphones, recognizing that no headphone can sound exactly like speakers that use walls instead of ear canals for acoustic effects.

Recently I decided to attach better speakers to my laptop. Using an Outlaw receiver and B&W 685 bookshelf speakers I got a good result. I added an AudioQuest Dragonfly DAC and it got better. But the audiophile itch is always there. How to make it better? My answer usually has been Bryston, and I was impressed by a recent review by a professional in audio mastering who used Bryston Mini as near field speakers, which is what speakers are in my computer set up. That set up is located at the far end of my sound room. The Mini Ts are about 3-5 inches from an angled wall. Not a great arrangement when compared to the placement at the other end with my Model T. I knew that sound driven through a noisy laptop and a receiver is going to be handicapped when compared to my main system. The B&W 685s sounded good. Voices were trust forward, and as is typical of B&W, the sound, especially in the treble region, was sweet. But to get anything approximating the Model T set up, I had to do quite a bit of equalization, and even then (or because of it) it was not very good bass.

In view of the limitations of the location and the associated electronics, I bet the Mini T would perform better than the B&W685, but not as well as it does.

The Mini T instantly solved the bass problem, as I expected and hoped.
Very close to the Model T sound, albeit without (again as expected) as much depth and weight. I was worried about that the rear ports being so close to the wall would mess up the bass. No problem: no flab or boominess. Visceral. Robust. Controlled. Enchanting. And not a smidgen of EQ. It is not surprising how many reviewers have commented on the T bass in all models. Despite all the other problems using speakers in this location and with these electronics, the Mini T more than approximated my Model T sound in terms of linearity, transparency accuracy, and pinpoint imaging. They may as well be Model Ts. But there is no overcoming the unavoidable reality of this placement and application. The depth is more shallow and the width of the soundstage is narrower. These differences are inevitable.

There is one major point where the Mini T does not approach or approximate my Model T setup. Presence. I believe this is because of the placement lacking the dynamics of normal distances from walls. It may be if I were to set the Mini Ts where the Model T is now, I might find that it, too, has presence. Some reviewers have been so impressed with the Mini T that they prefer it in some respects to the Model T. I doubt that this would be my preference, especially given the inevitable differences in the bass end, where the T has three 8” drivers to the Mini's one. Moreover, I don't expect or need this use of the Mini T to produce an exact copy of my main system's sound. I can turn around, get up, sit in my easy chair, and crank up the main system and listen to the reference Model T system. The merit of getting close to the sound quality and sound signature of the main system is to use a different application, as I do my Shure SE846 with mobile devices over WiFi, without feeling I've sacrificed a great deal.

What is not sacrificed at all with the Mini T used with my computer system is the kind of enjoyment I get with the Model T system. There are telltale signs when the sound is right to my ear and consistent with my predilections. First, in listening to my raft of old favourites, I get the “shiver.”
That knee-jeck emotional response that makes music great and systems that produce it so appealing. The Mini Ts in my testing did this over and over. Second, if I am doing something while listening to music (reading, writing pieces like this one), and the  sound draws me away to it, I know I have something special special. This is one the qualities that the Model T and Mini T share in equal measure.

The bottom line is this: the Mini T is a terrific speaker that can make even bad locations, standard electronics, and plain Jane computers sound wonderful. It is now my reference computer speaker, and I wouldn’t be surprised that for many others it will become their main system reference speaker.

Dave
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Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
« Reply #1519 on: 20 Jan 2014, 10:33 pm »
So is the white finish an option on the Middle T , if so what is the up charge ? Thank You