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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: SoundGame on 27 Jul 2011, 08:32 pm

Title: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 27 Jul 2011, 08:32 pm
There are a number of integrated audio solution manufactures.  By that I mean companies that design/manufacture: 1) source components; 2) amplification; 3) loudspeakers; 4) accessories - power conditioning / cables.

Bryston is currently doing three of the four.  The area where Bryston has not entered is speakers, though we know they have partnered in terms of distribution with PMC and am not sure if there has been some sort of tie to Thiel.

That said, would it not be wonderful, if Bryston on it's own or in conjuction with a reputable designer/manufacturer began to build speakers with the same ethic as their components.  In other words:

- Features as oppossed to quality differences in models
- 20yr transferable warranty
- Dead linear, transparent - true to source sound
- Hand built in Canada
- High quality control and impeccable fit and finish
- Industry leading low distortion (the primary weakness in speakers today)

I wonder if this is an area that Bryston would ever consider exploring.  If not, what would prohibit entry into this space?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Phil A on 27 Jul 2011, 08:38 pm
I imagine they can do it.  However, it is likely that their current space and expertise/manpower/tooling would need to increase if it was done in-house. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 27 Jul 2011, 08:43 pm
I imagine they can do it.  However, it is likely that their current space and expertise/manpower/tooling would need to increase if it was done in-house.

That's all part of the plan for Bryston to take over the world....of audio..... :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Phil A on 27 Jul 2011, 09:11 pm
That's all part of the plan for Bryston to take over the world....of audio..... :icon_twisted:

James Tanner has my vote for Emperor :green:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jul 2011, 09:42 pm
Hi Folks - odd you should ask as I am in the middle of building some reference speakers for myself:

Its going to be a 3-way Active speaker - about 4 feet tall with two 8 inch woofers - two 3.5 cone mids and 1- tweeter.
Using a DSP electronic crossover and comparing that to a modified 10B analog crossover :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 28 Jul 2011, 12:36 am
Hi Folks - odd you should ask as I am in the middle of building some reference speakers for myself:

Its going to be a 3-way Active speaker - about 4 feet tall with two 8 inch woofers - two 3.5 cone mids and 1- tweeter.
Using a DSP electronic crossover and comparing that to a modified 10B analog crossover :thumb:

james

Wow James - that's so interesting.  Could you perhaps give us some pictures as you make you way through the process and share the challenges and the learnings.  I think this would be great for the forum and who knows - perhaps this will get the wheels turning to have Bryston officially take on the challenge - perhaps with some prototype studio monitors to start?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2011, 01:28 am
Wow James - that's so interesting.  Could you perhaps give us some pictures as you make you way through the process and share the challenges and the learnings.  I think this would be great for the forum and who knows - perhaps this will get the wheels turning to have Bryston officially take on the challenge - perhaps with some prototype studio monitors to start?

Sure be glad too - should have finished prototype in about another 2 weeks.  Making all kinds of measurements and i think I have decided what kind of speaker I want :scratch:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2011, 01:29 am
Sure be glad too - should have finished prototype in about another 2 weeks.  Making all kinds of measurements blind listening tests and I think I have decided what kind of speaker I want :scratch:

The picture on the left is the early version.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 28 Jul 2011, 02:43 am
The picture on the left is the early version.

james
When you say "early version" do you mean a prototype of what you're building currently?  It looks very professional.  How did you get the panels curved and how was it finished? 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2011, 02:49 am
When you say "early version" do you mean a prototype of what you're building currently?  It looks very professional.  How did you get the panels curved and how was it finished?

Yes a prototype of the current version.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 28 Jul 2011, 03:56 am
Yes a prototype of the current version.

james

Seems to have a logo on the lower baffle - can't quite read it - what does it say?  What type / brand of drivers were used?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 28 Jul 2011, 08:18 am
Hi Folks - odd you should ask as I am in the middle of building some reference speakers for myself:

Its going to be a 3-way Active speaker - about 4 feet tall with two 8 inch woofers - two 3.5 cone mids and 1- tweeter.
Using a DSP electronic crossover and comparing that to a modified 10B analog crossover :thumb:

james

Very cool.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Teyry on 28 Jul 2011, 10:02 am
time & phase coherent ????

always had a strong liking for Thiel, Dunlavy, & Vandersteen.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Alfalfa on 28 Jul 2011, 11:39 am
Intriguing, but I think Bryston needs to wait for another X years until my current (partly Bryston) system is uto date and my bank manager is ready for the next upgrade!  :lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2011, 11:53 am
time & phase coherent ????

always had a strong liking for Thiel, Dunlavy, & Vandersteen.

Hi

The nice thing about a DSP Active crossover is you can adjust the phase and time on the drivers without having to stagger or use the cabinet in a sloped configuration.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 28 Jul 2011, 12:53 pm
Hi

The nice thing about a DSP Active crossover is you can adjust the phase and time on the drivers without having to stagger or use the cabinet in a sloped configuration.

James

Very cool, James. Sounds good. So, when is this gonna hit the market again? :D
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2011, 01:22 pm
Very cool, James. Sounds good. So, when is this gonna hit the market again? :D

Hi Dave

I have wanted to build a reference speaker for myself for a very long time now but I am not sure it is something Bryston would be interested in selling officially. God knows there are plenty of good speakers out there :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 28 Jul 2011, 01:38 pm
Ok, cool, sounds good. Yeah, that's true.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Stu Pitt on 28 Jul 2011, 02:34 pm
Designing, producing, and selling speakers would take a very serious investment on Bryston's part.  Re-tooling, factory floor space, R&D costs, etc.  It could work out, but as James said, there's so many great speaker companies out there.  I'm not sure that it'll be worth their time and resources to get into this end of it.  I think very few non-Bryston owners would seek them out.  Kind of like McIntosh, Krell, Naim, Linn, and Rega.  Those companies probably do well enough in the speakers department, but it's probably more or less a break-even thing than anything else.  Maybe not though, as most of them have been making speakers for a long time in relation to their electronics.

How about a turntable, James?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2011, 04:19 pm
Designing, producing, and selling speakers would take a very serious investment on Bryston's part.  Re-tooling, factory floor space, R&D costs, etc.  It could work out, but as James said, there's so many great speaker companies out there.  I'm not sure that it'll be worth their time and resources to get into this end of it.  I think very few non-Bryston owners would seek them out.  Kind of like McIntosh, Krell, Naim, Linn, and Rega.  Those companies probably do well enough in the speakers department, but it's probably more or less a break-even thing than anything else.  Maybe not though, as most of them have been making speakers for a long time in relation to their electronics.

How about a turntable, James?



No turntables Stu - boy speakers are easy after turntables. :duh:

I am working with an engineer now and a speaker company that already exists so if I were to make the speaker available I do not have to create a speaker company (floor space, tooling etc.) . :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 28 Jul 2011, 06:50 pm
It may just come true - funny that I suggested/started this thread - having no inside info.  It's just that I'Ve been shopping for speakers.

I hope a Bryston prototype tuns out.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Vipers on 28 Jul 2011, 10:16 pm
I did a factory tour of Naim today and was really impressed with their speaker department, they make reasonably good speakers that won't break the bank, managed by a few people that doesn't take up much floor space within Naim, one thing that interested me though was that the cabinets are made in China which I thought would be a little risky, they actually have to send guys out to China before they are shipped to the UK to check them over first, they must be extremely cheap to produce out there.

Good luck though James, keep us posted, any possibility that PMC will import them over to the UK? I'm sure they wouldn't mind the competition, after all they do make their own amps now :wink:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Aug 2011, 03:02 am
Hi Vipers

Yes I have spent many years in this industry at many different levels and I  think i finally know what works for me in a reference speaker so it will certainly be a labour of love :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 1 Aug 2011, 06:03 am
Hi Vipers

Yes I have spent many years in this industry at many different levels and I  think i finally know what works for me in a reference speaker so it will certainly be a labour of love :thumb:

James

 :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: skunark on 2 Aug 2011, 03:35 am
No turntables Stu - boy speakers are easy after turntables. :duh:

I am working with an engineer now and a speaker company that already exists so if I were to make the speaker available I do not have to create a speaker company (floor space, tooling etc.) . :thumb:

james

A Canadian company?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Aug 2011, 11:51 am
A Canadian company?

Yes of course - we all know Canadians build the best speakers  :lol:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: BrysTony on 2 Aug 2011, 12:09 pm
Looks like it could be a mod to a PSB speaker.   :scratch:

Tony
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Aug 2011, 12:10 pm
Looks like it could be a mod to a PSB speaker.   :scratch:

Tony

Nope not PSB- and no mods - this is a ground up Active design :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 2 Aug 2011, 01:06 pm
Nope not PSB- and no mods - this is a ground up Active design :thumb:

james

That's the best approach James.I can see this as being very positive project.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 2 Aug 2011, 10:09 pm
Nope not PSB- and no mods - this is a ground up Active design :thumb:

james
This is a ground up active design :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Speakers for life James.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Vipers on 3 Aug 2011, 09:07 pm
Nope not PSB- and no mods - this is a ground up Active design :thumb:

james

I've just spent today at Meridian James learning all about their Active speakers, after today I'm really starting to think that Active is the only way to go tbh, it just seem to make so much sense.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Aug 2011, 09:12 pm
I've just spent today at Meridian James learning all about their Active speakers, after today I'm really starting to think that Active is the only way to go tbh, it just seem to make so much sense.

Agreed :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Stu Pitt on 5 Aug 2011, 03:49 am
Nope not PSB- and no mods - this is a ground up Active design :thumb:

james

Totem???  Those guys definitely know how to build a cabinet right IMO. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: zeeman on 5 Aug 2011, 09:02 pm
time & phase coherent ????

always had a strong liking for Thiel, Dunlavy, & Vandersteen.


"Phase" is the scientific term for time.  All good speakers should be reasonably phase correct.  Outstanding speakers are more phase correct and this allows them to image better.  Vandersteen's time aligned baffling/driver techniques generally cause more problems than they solve.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: zeeman on 5 Aug 2011, 09:10 pm
be careful James.  Active speakers take away the nervous audiophiles abilitiy to choose there own amps...
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: grsimmon on 5 Aug 2011, 09:28 pm
Buried somewhere in Linkwitz's (Orion) website, he goes so far as to say that making speakers that are NOT active is basically a waste of time and resources,  which I thought was interesting.  And keep in mind,  "active" and "powered" are not the same thing.  There are active set-ups where you still choose your own amps.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Pez on 5 Aug 2011, 09:37 pm
be careful James.  Active speakers take away the nervous audiophiles abilitiy to choose there own amps...

If it's a built in solution like Meridian then yes, but Active doesn't mean you can't choose your own amps.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Aug 2011, 09:51 pm
Correct - I will use external Bryston amps with the speakers.  The speakers will come with an external balanced DSP electronic crossover where all the good stuff happens.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 5 Aug 2011, 09:54 pm
Correct - I will use external Bryston amps with the speakers.  The speakers will come with an external balanced DSP electronic crossover where all the good stuff happens.

james

Sounds awesome.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 5 Aug 2011, 10:09 pm
Correct - I will use external Bryston amps with the speakers.  The speakers will come with an external balanced DSP electronic crossover where all the good stuff happens.

james


Go figure that you "may" have some high quality
active components just "laying" around :lol:

Have fun tweaking and listening James....although I have to say the project sounds more like a fall project when the lakes start to get stiff?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Aug 2011, 05:20 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49840)

JT-1 Active speaker project so far.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Anonamemouse on 11 Aug 2011, 05:50 pm
Looks good! And coming from you, it most likely sounds good as well...
Any chance of giving us a peek into the blueprints?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 11 Aug 2011, 06:01 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49840)

JT-1 Active speaker project so far.

james

Very cool...
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: RLL1 on 11 Aug 2011, 06:39 pm
 :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 11 Aug 2011, 10:36 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49840)

JT-1 Active speaker project so far.

james
Hi James,
Looks like you are geting closer to see the result and I really want to hear it from you that which crossover you will like more,the digital or Bryston.
Have you decided which amp you will use? I would say a pair 7Bs and two 4Bs would be perfect.
Good luck. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Ron D on 12 Aug 2011, 02:32 am
will be interesting to see the results!

looking at the prototype design, the drivers in play and the fact that they are a "Canuck" speaker I have an idea as to who the co-builder is but I'll be quiet in case I'm wrong.... :wink:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 12 Aug 2011, 02:37 am
Striking similarity to PSB  :)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Aug 2011, 02:57 am
Striking similarity to PSB  :)

not PSB

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Aug 2011, 09:42 am
Hi James,
Looks like you are geting closer to see the result and I really want to hear it from you that which crossover you will like more,the digital or Bryston.
Have you decided which amp you will use? I would say a pair 7Bs and two 4Bs would be perfect.
Good luck. :thumb:

Hi prelude

I was thinking maybe 2 recommended systems: one would be Bryston JT-1 LITE and use 3 channels of a 9B per speaker and Bryston JT-1 MAX using as you suggest a 7B and 4B per speaker :thumb:

The other option I am thinking of is maybe a dedicated custom 3 channel amp with each channel custom to each separate driver ( woofer mid tweet) with the appropriate power per driver?

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Anonamemouse on 12 Aug 2011, 10:19 am
Hi prelude

The other option I am thinking of is maybe a dedicated custom 3 channel amp with each channel custom to each separate driver ( woofer mid tweet) with the appropriate power per driver?

James

Now this would be very interesting. An amp with a 100 Watt section for low, a 50 Watt amp for mid and a 20 Watt amp for high.
One small challenge here: The power division for L, M and H kinda varies with the cross-over points.

Code: [Select]
X-over Frequency (Hz) Power to Bass (%) Power to Mid+High (%)
250                     40                  60
350                     50                  50
500                     60                  40
1,200                   65                  35
3,000                   85                  15
5,000                   90                  10



(http://sound.westhost.com/lrp-f71.gif)


So the moment you kinda "set" the Wattages you also set the cross-over frequenties to a certain level. It might be better to have a decicated cross-over handle this. There are many excellent cross-overs available.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Aug 2011, 10:24 am
Now this would be very interesting. An amp with a 100 Watt section for low, a 50 Watt amp for mid and a 20 Watt amp for high.
One small challenge here: The power division for L, M and H kinda varies with the cross-over points.

Code: [Select]
X-over Frequency (Hz) Power to Bass (%) Power to Mid+High (%)
250                     40                  60
350                     50                  50
500                     60                  40
1,200                   65                  35
3,000                   85                  15
5,000                   90                  10


So the moment you kinda "set" the Wattages you also set the cross-over frequenties to a certain level. It might be better to have a decicated cross-over handle this. There are many excellent cross-overs available.

Hi Anonamemouse

The crossover would be DSP based and we have tested each driver and it's specific power capabilities so it should not be too difficult to design a dedicated amp for each driver to optimize playback.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Anonamemouse on 12 Aug 2011, 10:31 am
Hi Anonamemouse

The crossover would be DSP based and we have tested each driver and it's specific power capabilities so it should not be too difficult to design a dedicated amp for each driver to optimize playback.

James

Are you thinking a full system, as in amp + loudspeakers? I would buy the amp (I am thinking about switching to tri-amping for my own set right now) but not the speakers... As mentioned in my previous answer, the power needed for each section varies with the cross-over point. The loudspeakers you are currently developing will not have the same cross-over points as mine do, if I remember correctly the points in my loudspeakers are set quite low. (Seas units can handle that easily)
So for my loudspeakers the power division would be different from yours.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Aug 2011, 11:34 am
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hi,

Yes the crossover and speakers would be sold as a package. The amplifiers could then be used in any number of configurations.  The custom amp would be just a plug and play approach.

The whole idea with this speaker is the crossover, drivers, box, amps etc are all part of a 'system' designed to work together.  It has been very interesting listening to different crossover points and slopes and adjusting phase etc on the go in the DSP crossover. I think though if we make the crossover do whatever is required then the customer could use his own amps if he wanted as long as all the amps have the same gain.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 12 Aug 2011, 12:18 pm
Very interesting ideas.I like were this is going.It's a whole new way of looking at a system,
like a person all our parts make up the whole,rather that seeing each other as parts just
that so happen to be connected.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JBLMVBC on 12 Aug 2011, 05:11 pm
Ideal Bryston speaker imo...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUcXKWQFqgY&feature=digest
 :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 12 Aug 2011, 05:36 pm
Great sound even on youtube.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SHV on 12 Aug 2011, 08:15 pm
The "active" concept reminded me of the Bryston powered/crossover, tri-amped Waveform Mach 17.  A decade or so ago, I was quite interested in buying a pair (in fact the Waveform/Bryston connection introduced me to Bryston electronics) when John Otvos suddenly stopped production.  I now have eight pieces of Bryston gear but no tri-amped Waveforms.  Funny how thing work out.

Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 12 Aug 2011, 09:24 pm
 The drivers remind me of Canton's Vento models. They are well made ,in house German units.The enclosure is similar as well. Are they bottom ported James? :peek:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Aug 2011, 10:42 pm
The drivers remind me of Canton's Vento models. They are well made ,in house German units.The enclosure is similar as well. Are they bottom ported James? :peek:

SEALED = no ports :nono:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Diamond Dog on 13 Aug 2011, 01:27 am

James : So your previously professed love for PMC...( sniff ) it was just...(sob)...a lie  ???  :bawl:

Oh the humanity...

D.D.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Aug 2011, 02:10 am
James : So your previously professed love for PMC...( sniff ) it was just...(sob)...a lie  ???  :bawl:

Oh the humanity...

D.D.

I still have a pair of IB2's :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Diamond Dog on 13 Aug 2011, 02:12 am
I still have a pair of IB2's :thumb:

James

There's no love like old love !  :D

D.D.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Vipers on 13 Aug 2011, 01:25 pm
I still have a pair of IB2's :thumb:

James

Hi James,

Being a massive PMC fan myself, an MB2i owner, are you using your IB2's as a reference point or are you trying to achieve a different presentation.

They certainly look very nice though  :)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Aug 2011, 01:33 pm
Hi Vipers

Yes PMC really turned me on to what can be done with Active loudspeakers so I thought it might be fun to develope an Active reference speaker for myself and I think the PMC is certainly the one I would use as my reference :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: larevoj on 13 Aug 2011, 02:59 pm
Hi James, what's your opinion on ATC active speakers?? An example...http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/scm20slat.php (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/scm20slat.php)  :)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 13 Aug 2011, 06:52 pm
So James, will this be sold as a complete system? Amps, speakers, crossovers, cd, bdp, etc?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Aug 2011, 06:58 pm
Hi James, what's your opinion on ATC active speakers?? An example...http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/scm20slat.php (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/scm20slat.php)  :)

Excellent speakers in my opinion. A friend of mine has the passive 40s I think they are called and they sound great in his setup :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Aug 2011, 07:00 pm
So James, will this be sold as a complete system? Amps, speakers, crossovers, cd, bdp, etc?

If I was to market them they would be sold with the crossover as a package allowing you to use Bryston (my preference of course) or your own amps as long as the gains of the amps matched.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 13 Aug 2011, 07:14 pm
If I was to market them they would be sold with the crossover as a package allowing you to use Bryston (my preference of course) or your own amps as long as the gains of the amps matched.

James

Oh alright. Thanks for the info. Sounds good. I take it these will be over 12k, true?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Aug 2011, 07:17 pm
Oh alright. Thanks for the info. Sounds good. I take it these will be over 12k, true?

Really not sure yet on price but I am hoping without amps around 8000

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 13 Aug 2011, 07:23 pm
Really not sure yet on price but I am hoping without amps around 8000

James

Oh cool, that sounds pretty good. I think I might hold off on those B&Ws!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 13 Aug 2011, 10:46 pm
James,
Based on your experience,if I ask you which speaker would be your choice for life time active or electrostatics? What would be your answer?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Aug 2011, 11:20 pm
James,
Based on your experience,if I ask you which speaker would be your choice for life time active or electrostatics? What would be your answer?

Active - direct radiator.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 14 Aug 2011, 12:55 am
Yes of course - we all know Canadians build the best speakers  :lol:

james

Would it perhaps be a little speaker company located on HWY 60 near  the west side of Algonquin park?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2011, 12:59 am
Would it perhaps be a little speaker company located on HWY 60 near  the west side of Algonquin park?

You got it!

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 14 Aug 2011, 01:06 am
You got it!

james

Cool! I pass by that way several times a year on my way to Parry Sound.  Driving by I always thought what a cool place to work.....I could commute by canoe! Nice to see you working with another local company James, good luck with the speakers.

P.S. I am heading back up that way for vacation in a couple of weeks, If I stopped in would there be a demo pair lurking about or would security arrest me? ; )

Cheers,
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: RLL1 on 14 Aug 2011, 02:04 am
You got it!

james

I knew it! Crazy enough, it was the white coloured drivers that were leading me in that direction.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Diamond Dog on 14 Aug 2011, 04:07 am

An $8000.00 pair of Axioms...you just blew my mind.   :o

D.D.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: rmurray on 14 Aug 2011, 06:58 am
Looking at the Axiom web pages there is nothing mentioning the driver build quality. (cast frames?  voice coils, ect) Can you give any details about the chosen transducers for your design?  It looks to be a great project James..thanks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2011, 11:06 am
The Axiom drivers are all excellent in design and are all custom to Axiom speakers. I looked around a lot for a partner on this and I was mighty impressed with the Axiom company and the science behind there loudspeakers (they even have their own Anechoic Chamber in the factory).  Also the engineer behind a lot of the Mirage products (API) is now one of the designers at Axiom and I am working with him on this project.

The comments are indicative though of how people just dismiss a product like Axiom because it does not appear to cost enough.  I can tell you the M80 - which I have in my room now is one hell of a speaker. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: rmurray on 14 Aug 2011, 11:32 am
I would still like to know more about their drivers and crossovers.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spinner on 14 Aug 2011, 11:37 am
Hello James. Will your speakers be available through my Bryston dealer ? I don't beleive I would buy anything on line without hearing ,seeing and smelling.   lol :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2011, 11:45 am
Hello James. Will your speakers be available through my Bryston dealer ? I don't beleive I would buy anything on line without hearing ,seeing and smelling.   lol :thumb:

Hi spinner,

Not sure yet how this will play out - I am really building them for my own monitoring purposes and not sure yet if I want to get into the speaker business :scratch:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2011, 02:35 pm
I would still like to know more about their drivers and crossovers.  :dunno:

hi rmurray

The drivers are designed and custom made by Axiom. The crossover at this point is a DSP and I am comparing that to our analog 10B electronic crossover.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 14 Aug 2011, 03:02 pm
hi rmurray

The drivers are designed and custom made by Axiom. The crossover at this point is a DSP and I am comparing that to our analog 10B electronic crossover.

James
Who designed the cabinet James? Anything special regarding bracing, damping etc?


Cheers,
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2011, 03:20 pm
Who designed the cabinet James? Anything special regarding bracing, damping etc?


Cheers,

Actually the cabinet design is interesting - there seems it be a specific point where it seems to work better than other points when you look at the resonance characteristics of the box and amount of bracing.  in other words you can have too little bracing but you can also have too much bracing :scratch:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 14 Aug 2011, 03:24 pm
The Axiom drivers are all excellent in design and are all custom to Axiom speakers. I looked around a lot for a partner on this and I was mighty impressed with the Axiom company and the science behind there loudspeakers (they even have their own Anechoic Chamber in the factory).  Also the engineer behind a lot of the Mirage products (API) is now one of the designers at Axiom and I am working with him on this project.

The comments are indicative though of how people just dismiss a product like Axiom because it does not appear to cost enough.  I can tell you the M80 - which I have in my room now is one hell of a speaker. :thumb:

james

James, the pictures on your signature doesn't look the picture of the M80 on the Axiom website? 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2011, 03:28 pm
James, the pictures on your signature doesn't look the picture of the M80 on the Axiom website?

That's the prototype of the JT-1's on my Profile picture.

james

Here's the setup at home in room 3 with the 80 's :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49957)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Diamond Dog on 14 Aug 2011, 04:07 pm

The comments are indicative though of how people just dismiss a product like Axiom because it does not appear to cost enough.  I can tell you the M80 - which I have in my room now is one hell of a speaker. :thumb:

james

Speaking for myself James, I wasn't dissing Axiom's products but rather noting that they are not known for offering products at the price point you were discussing for the "JT-1" as I'm sure you will agree. They may well be capable of making speakers which justify an ask that is multiples of what their current top of the line product goes for. It's just not a market that Axiom is known for catering to.

D.D.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2011, 04:20 pm
Speaking for myself James, I wasn't dissing Axiom's products but rather noting that they are not known for offering products at the price point you were discussing for the "JT-1" as I'm sure you will agree. They may well be capable of making speakers which justify an ask that is multiples of what their current top of the line product goes for. It's just not a market that Axiom is known for catering to.

D.D.

That's the part that caught my interest when I was researching this.  Here is a company that for 30 years has been designing loudspeakers and have probably forgot more than I know. I ordered a pair of the 80's and was really surprised at the performance level.  I spoke with the owner Ian and realized that expensive does not necessarily mean high performance.

Also I am a little biased as I was involved many years ago in the blind listening tests at the Canadian research facility in Ottawa when Floyd Toole was running all the speaker tests (as was Ian) and I learned a lot about what matters when it comes good sounding loudspeakers.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Diamond Dog on 14 Aug 2011, 04:30 pm

Also I am a little biased as I was involved many years ago in the blind listening tests at the Canadian research facility in Ottawa when Floyd Toole was running all the speaker tests (as was Ian) and I learned a lot about what matters when it comes good sounding loudspeakers.

james

Rich hand-selected Curly Hubba-Hubbawood veneers hand-buffed to an opulent lustre ?  :rotflmao:

D.D.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2011, 04:35 pm
Here's what the JT-1's would look like in Black Gloss and Walnut

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49959)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49960)

james
 

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Diamond Dog on 14 Aug 2011, 04:44 pm

James: Curious - any pictures with the grills on ?

D.D.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2011, 04:46 pm
James: Curious - any pictures with the grills on ?

D.D.

Hi,

We are looking at that now and it seems like most prefer a two piece grill with a space below the mids.

Jamesc
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 14 Aug 2011, 05:10 pm
James, you might be interested in to hear this one.Long time ago my friend came over and droped 4 12" drivers by my house and told me he hates them he does not need them and he do not want any money for it and left.Well I started fooling around with them and this is story back to ST amps and SST was not in the market yet.I could not get the sound right even one time I gave up and put them in the garbage but I quickly changed my mind and brought them back in.After a year I was reading a book and striked to the word ISOBARIC and they said it could be used in speaker design.To make long story short I build a three way active but I used this drivers as ISOBARIC configuration and drived the with a pair 7Bst.ohhhh
I made a cover because I did not want him to see the driver and called him up for listening. We sit down and start a music after 15 min of classical music he told me that he could live with it forever and I took the cover panels off.When he saw the drivers he almost droped his phone that was in his hand and ask me that what happend? I told him a lot of things happened.
And the driver was a $20 paper cone SONY.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 14 Aug 2011, 05:11 pm
May I respectfully suggest an option for dark coloured woofers?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 14 Aug 2011, 05:12 pm
Here's what the JT-1's would look like in Black Gloss and Walnut

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49959)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49960)

james
I would take the Walnut :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 14 Aug 2011, 05:25 pm
Are the JT-1 drivers the same and the M80 drivers with the exception of the second tweeter?

I like the black gloss JT-1.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2011, 05:26 pm
Are the JT-1 drivers the same and the M80 drivers with the exception of the second tweeter?

I like the black gloss JT-1.

Similar but some changes required.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2011, 05:28 pm
James, you might be interested in to hear this one.Long time ago my friend came over and droped 4 12" drivers by my house and told me he hates them he does not need them and he do not want any money for it and left.Well I started fooling around with them and this is story back to ST amps and SST was not in the market yet.I could not get the sound right even one time I gave up and put them in the garbage but I quickly changed my mind and brought them back in.After a year I was reading a book and striked to the word ISOBARIC and they said it could be used in speaker design.To make long story short I build a three way active but I used this drivers as ISOBARIC configuration and drived the with a pair 7Bst.ohhhh
I made a cover because I did not want him to see the driver and called him up for listening. We sit down and start a music after 15 min of classical music he told me that he could live with it forever and I took the cover panels off.When he saw the drivers he almost droped his phone that was in his hand and ask me that what happend? I told him a lot of things happened.
And the driver was a $20 paper cone SONY.

I think as you discovered that you have to think of the total system and the way all the parts interact within the whole.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: RLL1 on 14 Aug 2011, 06:01 pm
The Axiom drivers are all excellent in design and are all custom to Axiom speakers. I looked around a lot for a partner on this and I was mighty impressed with the Axiom company and the science behind there loudspeakers (they even have their own Anechoic Chamber in the factory).  Also the engineer behind a lot of the Mirage products (API) is now one of the designers at Axiom and I am working with him on this project.

The comments are indicative though of how people just dismiss a product like Axiom because it does not appear to cost enough.  I can tell you the M80 - which I have in my room now is one hell of a speaker. :thumb:

james

I came very close to purchasing a pair of Axiom speakers 28 years ago when I was assembling my first component system. I ended up going with Polk Audio, which were sold by the same dealer as the Carver amp I was getting. The Axioms did sound good, but I was swayed by the "package" deal.

Rick
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 14 Aug 2011, 07:24 pm
That's the part that caught my interest when I was researching this.  Here is a company that for 30 years has been designing loudspeakers and have probably forgot more than I know. I ordered a pair of the 80's and was really surprised at the performance level.  I spoke with the owner Ian and realized that expensive does not necessarily mean high performance.

Also I am a little biased as I was involved many years ago in the blind listening tests at the Canadian research facility in Ottawa when Floyd Toole was running all the speaker tests (as was Ian) and I learned a lot about what matters when it comes good sounding loudspeakers.

james


So, do you recommend Axiom speakers? And how do they sound with Bryston?

They're very reasonable! Only $1,380.00 a pair for the M80s!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 14 Aug 2011, 07:25 pm
Here's what the JT-1's would look like in Black Gloss and Walnut

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49959)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49960)

james
 




:thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 14 Aug 2011, 11:02 pm
 James ,in the last pix is that other panel with the holes a plinth or a brace? :scratch:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2011, 11:03 pm
James ,in the last pix is that other panel with the holes a plinth or a brace? :scratch:

Picture of the plinth - the holes change the resonance frequency of the plinth.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 14 Aug 2011, 11:10 pm
Beautiful,love that. Who would appreciate this by just looking at the surface of things. Keep up the great work. By the way(silly question),if these ever go into production would they be available as regular non active models? Oh  yeh ,one more query , if these are acoustic suspension how do these drivers work from the Axiom : which are reflex?    :scratch:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2011, 11:17 pm
Beautiful,love that. Who would appreciate this by just looking at the surface of things. Keep up the great work. By the way(silly question),if these ever go into production would they be available as regular non active models? Oh  yeh ,one more query , if these are acoustic suspension how do these drivers work from the Axiom : which are reflex?    :scratch:

No they would only be available as active as they are really designed with that as the main focus.

The woofer suspensions are modified to work with the specific type of enclosure.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 14 Aug 2011, 11:36 pm
Thanks James :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 15 Aug 2011, 12:18 am
James, while I realize the designs/price points  are completely different, how do the JT-1's sound compared to the PMC MB2's you have owned in the past?

I have been thinking about new speakers in the next year or two. The MB2's were on the top of my list, and the used ones in good shape are currently around $6-8k.

Cheers,
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Aug 2011, 12:31 am
James, while I realize the designs/price points  are completely different, how do the JT-1's sound compared to the PMC MB2's you have owned in the past?

I have been thinking about new speakers in the next year or two. The MB2's were on the top of my list, and the used ones in good shape are currently around $6-8k.

Cheers,

Hi,

It would be unfair for me to comment at this point as we are still experimenting and the MB2's are a tough act to follow. :green:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 15 Aug 2011, 04:30 pm
Hi. I'm new to AudioCircle. I was interested sfraser's question about PMC MB2 speakers. I have discovered never to underestimate Bryston's ability to come out with a product that beats the competition, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were to make great speakers. But I am not only a PMC fan, I am most definitely an MB2 enthusiast. I loved the MB2s I bought several years ago, but felt they lacked something in the high range I was looking for. I listened to comparably priced Wilsons, which were outstanding, but I decided that I would miss the MB2 signature sound - rich and linear sound with great authentic bass. Without hearing them, I bought the newer MB2i series, and found the high end just right and that the speakers are now very balanced. In short, highly recommended. BTW, I drive them with Bryston equipment: 7BSSTs, BP20 (upgraded to use an MPS-2), BDA-1, and BDP-1.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: amblin on 15 Aug 2011, 06:39 pm
 i just did a quick browse on Axiom's website...

they are offering custom finish and 3-6 working day FREE WORLD WIDE SHIPPING.. :o on 25KG/each FLOOR STANDING speakers... wow... i mean.. WOW! :o ... are they really the cheap and cheerful masterpiece thought to be long extincted in the money-no-objet world of hifi? :o

---

James, i see they are a company based in Canada and make most of the drivers in Shanghai http://www.patriotmusic.us/PatriotMusic/company_interviews/axiom_audio.html

But how about the cabinet and final assembling,  testing? Because in my book, these r the things that really counts to produce a good speaker....  I'm seeing a dire need of getting a pair of those towers and try... :lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 15 Aug 2011, 07:27 pm
They're good, but on second glance the woofers aren't big enough for me. I'm not talkin' about the JT-1s but the M80s.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: amblin on 15 Aug 2011, 08:23 pm
They're good, but on second glance the woofers aren't big enough for me. I'm not talkin' about the JT-1s but the M80s.

Dave, Interesting that you mentioned this. Because while looking for a pair of mid-towers for the tubes in my bedroom, i just auditioned a pair of ProAc Pro6 (6.5" carbon LF) earlier last week, driven by Ayer's top pre and power amps. While i compaired them against my MB2i, the ProAc's lower end sounded remarkably dull and lacked texture (for the price tag) , i was quite confused because the driving power was supposed to be more than enough for those 6.5"s, but hmm...

For the M80s, they r some 1/30 the price of Pro6s, made in canada plus free shipping and cheap return.. oh yes i'm tempted....VERY.  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 15 Aug 2011, 09:45 pm
That's what I'm talking about. Imo, those small woofers can't get the job done.

Well, it's quite possible the Axioms will outperform the ProAcs. Stranger things have happened in the world of audio.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: milford3 on 15 Aug 2011, 09:56 pm
This thread is SO interesting.  James, I have owned Axioms for many, many, years and have nothing but high marks for their crossovers and drivers.  What a surprize that the Axiom driver was your choice.  I think if you go with the Axiom drivers you will sell a great many speakers if you go that route.   :D

Here is half your speaker James.  Good luck.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50033)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spinner on 15 Aug 2011, 10:42 pm
They aren't made in Canada. They are assembled in Canada. No offence to Axiom, they are no doubt a good product but let's be accurate as to their methods.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Aug 2011, 01:16 am
Yes Axiom has its own company in China that manufactures the drivers.  All the other manufacturing is done at the Canadian facility.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gdbalp on 16 Aug 2011, 03:26 am
Hi James,

It been a while since I posted something, but I think we all want to get a sense of how these speakers compare to other speakers like the following:

1) IB2
2) JBL 1400 array
3) S8 signatures from Paradigm

I know it early in the developments, but it is nice to get a reference point from your vast experiences over the years :o?

Ciao, Luigi
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: amblin on 16 Aug 2011, 06:20 am
Yes Axiom has its own company in China that manufactures the drivers.  All the other manufacturing is done at the Canadian facility.

james

Thanks James , Spinner.  I'm fine with that, because i'm not too strict on where the parts were made .  Evem multi hundred thousand dollar monsters had parts made in all sorts of places.

It's the design, final assembly , inspection and testing that really counts.   
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Aug 2011, 10:34 am
Hi James,

It been a while since I posted something, but I think we all want to get a sense of how these speakers compare to other speakers like the following:

1) IB2
2) JBL 1400 array
3) S8 signatures from Paradigm

I know it early in the developments, but it is nice to get a reference point from your vast experiences over the years :o?

Ciao, Luigi

Hi Luigi

Yes it is a little early in the exercise but thinking about it I guess my best answer would be to give you my wish list for a speaker and hope the JT-1 comes close. The Active speaker concept was my start point so that eliminates a lot of other speakers out of the gate.

Bryston JT-1 Speaker Wish List

1.   Active speaker
2.   Lack of Dynamic Compression
3.   Excellent transient response
4.   Good total room power response
5.   Good even polar response well off axis – 30- 60 degrees
6.   Excellent frequency response – flat to 1 dB 20-20K
7.   Excellent phase response
8.   Excellent group delay response
9.   Sealed Box
10.   Active crossover and direct connection to each driver with separate amplifiers
11.   Low distortion

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 16 Aug 2011, 12:44 pm
Bryston JT-1 Speaker Wish List

1.   Active speaker
2.   Lack of Dynamic Compression
3.   Excellent transient response
4.   Good total room power response
5.   Good even polar response well off axis – 30- 60 degrees
6.   Excellent frequency response – flat to 1 dB 20-20K
7.   Excellent phase response
8.   Excellent group delay response
9.   Sealed Box
10.   Active crossover and direct connection to each driver with separate amplifiers


Hi James - looking at your list, a couple key elements I thought that are missing from your list would be the following (though I'm sure you've considered them in one way or another in the design):

Very low distortion, including minimal cabinet vibrations
Reasonable efficiency - 86 db / 1 w / 1 m or better
Reasonable resistance / load - 4 to 8 ohms, without dipping below 3 ohms
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: rofo on 16 Aug 2011, 01:18 pm
Reasonable efficiency - 86 db / 1 w / 1 m or better

Reasonable SENSITIVITY - 86 db / 1 w / 1 m or better
efficiency and sensitivity are not the same thing.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 16 Aug 2011, 01:27 pm
Reasonable SENSITIVITY - 86 db / 1 w / 1 m or better
efficiency and sensitivity are not the same thing.

I stand corrected - definition of Efficiency vs. Sensitivity from Wikipedia below:

Loudspeaker efficiency is defined as the sound power output divided by the electrical power input. Most loudspeakers are actually very inefficient transducers; only about 1% of the electrical energy sent by an amplifier to a typical home loudspeaker is converted to acoustic energy. The remainder is converted to heat, mostly in the voice coil and magnet assembly. The main reason for this is the difficulty of achieving proper impedance matching between the acoustic impedance of the drive unit and that of the air into which it is radiating (at low frequencies improving this match is the main purpose of speaker enclosure designs). The efficiency of loudspeaker drivers varies with frequency as well. For instance, the output of a woofer driver decreases as the input frequency decreases because of the increasingly poor match between air and the driver.

Driver ratings based on the SPL for a given input are called sensitivity ratings and are notionally similar to efficiency. Sensitivity is usually defined as so many decibels at 1 W electrical input, measured at 1 meter (except for headphones), often at a single frequency. The voltage used is often 2.83 VRMS, which is 1 watt into an 8 Ω (nominal) speaker impedance (approximately true for many speaker systems). Measurements taken with this reference are quoted as dB with 2.83 V @ 1 m.

The sound pressure output is measured at (or mathematically scaled to be equivalent to a measurement taken at) one meter from the loudspeaker and on-axis (directly in front of it), under the condition that the loudspeaker is radiating into an infinitely large space and mounted on an infinite baffle. Clearly then, sensitivity does not correlate precisely with efficiency, as it also depends on the directivity of the driver being tested and the acoustic environment in front of the actual loudspeaker. For example, a cheerleader's horn produces more sound output in the direction it is pointed by concentrating sound waves from the cheerleader in one direction, thus "focusing" them. The horn also improves impedance matching between the voice and the air, which produces more acoustic power for a given speaker power. In some cases, improved impedance matching (via careful enclosure design) will allow the speaker to produce more acoustic power.

Typical home loudspeakers have sensitivities of about 85 to 95 dB for 1 W @ 1 m—an efficiency of 0.5–4%.
Sound reinforcement and public address loudspeakers have sensitivities of perhaps 95 to 102 dB for 1 W @ 1 m—an efficiency of 4–10%.
Rock concert, stadium PA, marine hailing, etc. speakers generally have higher sensitivities of 103 to 110 dB for 1 W @ 1 m—an efficiency of 10–20%.
A driver with a higher maximum power rating cannot necessarily be driven to louder levels than a lower-rated one, since sensitivity and power handling are largely independent properties. In the examples that follow, assume (for simplicity) that the drivers being compared have the same electrical impedance; are operated at the same frequency within both driver's respective pass bands; and that power compression and distortion are low. For the first example, a speaker 3 dB more sensitive than another will produce double the sound power (or be 3 dB louder) for the same power input; thus, a 100 W driver ("A") rated at 92 dB for 1 W @ 1 m sensitivity will put out twice as much acoustic power as a 200 W driver ("B") rated at 89 dB for 1 W @ 1 m when both are driven with 100 W of input power. In this particular example, when driven at 100 W, speaker A will produce the same SPL, or loudness, as speaker B would produce with 200 W input. Thus, a 3 dB increase in sensitivity of the speaker means that it will need half the amplifier power to achieve a given SPL. This translates into a smaller, less complex power amplifier—and often, to reduced overall system cost.

It is typically not possible to combine high efficiency (especially at low frequencies) with compact enclosure size and adequate low frequency response. One can, for the most part, choose only two of the three parameters when designing a speaker system. So, for example, if extended low-frequency performance and small box size are important, one must accept low efficiency.[34] This rule of thumb is sometimes called Hoffman's Iron Law (after J.A. Hoffman, the "H" in KLH).[35]
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JohnR on 16 Aug 2011, 01:59 pm
Reasonable SENSITIVITY - 86 db / 1 w / 1 m or better
efficiency and sensitivity are not the same thing.

No they are not the same thing, but your first line makes no sense as the units are wrong.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Aug 2011, 02:37 pm
Hi James - looking at your list, a couple key elements I thought that are missing from your list would be the following (though I'm sure you've considered them in one way or another in the design):

Very low distortion, including minimal cabinet vibrations
Reasonable efficiency - 86 db / 1 w / 1 m or better
Reasonable resistance / load - 4 to 8 ohms, without dipping below 3 ohms

Hi

With an Active system using our crossover and amps there is not really an issue of efficiency or load impedance because we will provide enough power to each driver directly from the Bryston amps.  Low distortion is critical - I will add that :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 16 Aug 2011, 04:28 pm
I take it you will be using 28Bs?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Aug 2011, 04:32 pm
I take it you will be using 28Bs?

Hi Dave

Probably not as each driver gets its own power and so far a 7B looks great on the woofers - although a 28B might be worth a listen. - everyone knows the 28B is the worlds best tweeter amp :lol:

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 16 Aug 2011, 04:38 pm
Hi Dave

Probably not as each driver gets its own power and so far a 7B looks great on the woofers - although a 28B might be worth a listen. - everyone knows the 28B is the worlds best tweeter amp :lol:

james




Ok, James, sounds great either way!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 16 Aug 2011, 06:46 pm
Hi Dave

Probably not as each driver gets its own power and so far a 7B looks great on the woofers - although a 28B might be worth a listen. - everyone knows the 28B is the worlds best tweeter amp :lol:

James

You forgot about the Tubes in the 28B. 8)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Laundrew on 16 Aug 2011, 09:01 pm
Hi Dave

Probably not as each driver gets its own power and so far a 7B looks great on the woofers - although a 28B might be worth a listen. - everyone knows the 28B is the worlds best tweeter amp :lol:

james

Yes, if they are smaller than 15 inches, they are only tweeters...

 :wink:

Be well...
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 16 Aug 2011, 09:23 pm
No they are not the same thing, but your first line makes no sense as the units are wrong.
Agree. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 16 Aug 2011, 09:50 pm
Hi Luigi

Yes it is a little early in the exercise but thinking about it I guess my best answer would be to give you my wish list for a speaker and hope the JT-1 comes close. The Active speaker concept was my start point so that eliminates a lot of other speakers out of the gate.

Bryston JT-1 Speaker Wish List

1.   Active speaker
2.   Lack of Dynamic Compression
3.   Excellent transient response
4.   Good total room power response
5.   Good even polar response well off axis – 30- 60 degrees
6.   Excellent frequency response – flat to 1 dB 20-20K
7.   Excellent phase response
8.   Excellent group delay response
9.   Sealed Box
10.   Active crossover and direct connection to each driver with separate amplifiers
11.   Low distortion

james
12.  Must be three way
13.  Not expensive but smart
14.  Better use of power
15.  More control and and flexibility
16.  Higher damping factor(helps the driver to start and stop its motion more quickly)
Good luck James. :thumb: Are you having fun playing with crossover points?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: rofo on 17 Aug 2011, 12:09 am
but your first line makes no sense as the units are wrong.

could you please explain? I believe SoundGame is presenting the units correctly
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: audioligist on 19 Aug 2011, 03:03 am
i cannot explain anything but... (lol)

this is a very interesting thread which i have been following and learning a lot.

thx james and fellow audiocirclites.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: budt on 19 Aug 2011, 10:40 am
  Well, given the goals I would say CHEAP is definitely out of the question.I would like to see it with it's own dedicated active crossover which is equalized specifically for the speaker (and not just a one size fits all crossover). Build this with good drivers and they will come.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Aug 2011, 10:50 am
  Well, given the goals I would say CHEAP is definitely out of the question.I would like to see it with it's own dedicated active crossover which is equalized specifically for the speaker (and not just a one size fits all crossover). Build this with good drivers and they will come.

Hi budt - yes the dedicated crossover would have to be sold with the speaker - they could not be used without it. It is a symbiotic relationship :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 19 Aug 2011, 03:07 pm
Hi James:

I'm thinking that this design could be set apart from your partnering company's house look and Brystonized, as it were if you took a little different direction with the front baffle that would likely be also a potential functional improvement.

Have you considered going with a:

1/2 thick solid aluminum front baffle with Bryston styling cues?
The baffle could be made in...black or silver.  A number of the high-end speaker seem to be adopting aluminum structural designs to increase structural rigidity and reduce cabinet vibrations.  I'm thinking this could improve the structure but also clearly link to the Bryston line of products. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Aug 2011, 03:41 pm
Some ideas?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50185)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bummrush on 19 Aug 2011, 04:02 pm
It is typically not possible to combine high efficiency (especially at low frequencies) with compact enclosure size and adequate low frequency response
 Above from previous post. Atlantic Technology speakers might beg to differ from what's written I would love to hear Jame,s opinion on those, I,ll throw on a teaser forhim by saying that Atlantic Technology probably isn't high end enough for you .Whatyou say James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: BrysTony on 19 Aug 2011, 04:04 pm
I like the split cover look but you should get more adventurous with color - not just black.

Tony
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Aug 2011, 04:08 pm
It is typically not possible to combine high efficiency (especially at low frequencies) with compact enclosure size and adequate low frequency response
 Above from previous post. Atlantic Technology speakers might beg to differ from what's written I would love to hear Jame,s opinion on those, I,ll throw on a teaser forhim by saying that Atlantic Technology probably isn't high end enough for you .Whatyou say James

Hi,

Sorry not sure I understand the question - are you saying good low end response is not possible given small woofers and small enclosures relatively speaking?  So an 8 inch can not compete with a 12 regardless of type of enclosure and engineering differences?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: RLL1 on 19 Aug 2011, 04:19 pm
Some ideas?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50185)

The example on the right. Go with a metal grill, and magnetic attachment, similar to the Monitor Audio Platinum series. That sure would have helped the fellow with the Nautilus speakers.

Rick
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 19 Aug 2011, 04:46 pm
Some ideas?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50185)

Really like the more transparent grills - not sure I'm fond of the split grill, especially when the veneer is not dark. 

Would magnetic mounting (invisible mounts) be in your plans - it gives a much cleaner appearance when grills are off?

If not an aluminum front baffle - how about a solid aluminum plinth with outrigger adjustable feet?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Aug 2011, 04:49 pm
Yes magnetic grill mounts

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 19 Aug 2011, 04:58 pm
Yes magnetic grill mounts

james

 :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Aug 2011, 05:56 pm
Hi James:

I'm thinking that this design could be set apart from your partnering company's house look and Brystonized, as it were if you took a little different direction with the front baffle that would likely be also a potential functional improvement.

Have you considered going with a:

1/2 thick solid aluminum front baffle with Bryston styling cues?
The baffle could be made in...black or silver.  A number of the high-end speaker seem to be adopting aluminum structural designs to increase structural rigidity and reduce cabinet vibrations.  I'm thinking this could improve the structure but also clearly link to the Bryston line of products.

Hi,

You have to be careful with the materials used. Different materials resonate at different frequencies of course and metal resonates at a much higher frequency than wood. So based on what resonance you want to deal with the material chosen will reflect that (this is also very true of driver material). So lets assume the panel of wood on your speaker resonates at 150Hz and a piece of equal dimensional aluminium resonates at 800Hz - which resonance would you rather deal with?  In the JT-1 case with the speaker in an anechoic chamber and an accelerometer the panel resonance can be measured and the bracing applied to reduce the resonance. So far in the listening tests the ear appears to be more tolerant of a damped resonance at 150Hz than at 800Hz.

Anyway I am learning a lot about speaker design these days :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 19 Aug 2011, 06:02 pm
Hi,

You have to be careful with the materials used. Different materials resonate at different frequencies of course and metal resonates at a much higher frequency than wood. So based on what resonance you want to deal with the material chosen will reflect that (this is also very true of driver material). So lets assume the panel of wood on your speaker resonates at 150Hz and a piece of equal dimensional aluminium resonates at 800Hz - which resonance would you rather deal with?  In the JT-1 case with the speaker in an anechoic chamber and an accelerometer the panel resonance can be measured and the bracing applied to reduce the resonance. So far in the listening tests the ear appears to be more tolerant of a damped resonance at 150Hz than at 800Hz.

Anyway I am learning a lot about speaker design these days :thumb:

james

Thanks for sharing this James.  I would have loved to get into speaker design / acoustics - perhaps down the road I'll take a course but self-study in the meantime. 

Literally, there are sooo many questions I would have for you on this.  Enjoy the experience!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 19 Aug 2011, 06:07 pm
See - another thought on this.

I was just thinking that your comment on different resonances of materials makes total sense with the issue of finding the "right" stand for standmounted speakers.  Most often - it is a MDF cabinet for the speaker sitting on top of a metal stand (aluminum or steel but sometimes of another material such as MDF), the interaction between the two will always be a variable to consider.  I always knew that the intention was to minimize vibration but resonances is another consideration.

I guess that is a clear reason why it would normally be the best to go with a stand that has been specifically designed for the speaker and test together with the speaker. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: VOLKS on 20 Aug 2011, 02:54 am
James do you have the complete specs on your Active  Axiom M80 v3 look-alikes yet or partial specs?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Anonamemouse on 20 Aug 2011, 11:10 am
Hi,

Sorry not sure I understand the question - are you saying good low end response is not possible given small woofers and small enclosures relatively speaking?  So an 8 inch can not compete with a 12 regardless of type of enclosure and engineering differences?

james

Basically, that is correct. For a good (natural, without all sorts of boosting) low end you will need volume (as in liters inside the cabinet) and surface (of the woofer used, the bigger the better).

It is possible to boost the low end, but that also comes with a lot of distortion and a punch effect. I doubt that this is where you want to go.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Aug 2011, 11:23 am
Basically, that is correct. For a good (natural, without all sorts of boosting) low end you will need volume (as in liters inside the cabinet) and surface (of the woofer used, the bigger the better).

It is possible to boost the low end, but that also comes with a lot of distortion and a punch effect. I doubt that this is where you want to go.

Hi,

I am not the expert but the engineer working on the JT=1's tells me that the low end response has much more to do with the woofer throw design and power handling. In other words a long-throw 8 inch with adequate power and design can out perform a 10. we shall see.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 20 Aug 2011, 11:47 am
Hi,

I am not the expert but the engineer working on the JT=1's tells me that the low end response has much more to do with the woofer throw design and power handling. In other words a long-throw 8 inch with adequate power and design can out perform a 10. we shall see.

james

Yes an optimised 8 inch setup will beat a non-optimised 10 inch setup but that's not comparing apples to apples.  Every speaker design is a selection of compromises! IMHO.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Aug 2011, 01:01 pm
Yes an optimised 8 inch setup will beat a non-optimised 10 inch setup but that's not comparing apples to apples.  Every speaker design is a selection of compromises! IMHO.

Good point - but what about keeping the front baffle as thin as possible for off axis polar response considerations as well as the crossover point and slope required to the mids being part of the criteria when designing the loudspeakers?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 20 Aug 2011, 01:07 pm
Good point - but what about keeping the front baffle as thin as possible for off axis polar response considerations as well as the crossover point and slope required to the mids being part of the criteria when designing the loudspeakers?

james
Absolutely ,,the baffle should be a narrow as possible for good imaging.  These considerations have spawned designs including side firing woofers and separate bass modules.(sub woofers anyone??)

I think that one has to consider the volume of the intended listening room when setting out to select a design.   
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Aug 2011, 01:50 pm
James do you have the complete specs on your Active  Axiom M80 v3 look-alikes yet or partial specs?

Hi -they are not Active M80's - they are a complete redesign from the ground up - much bigger box - acoustic suspension etc.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Diamond Dog on 20 Aug 2011, 06:35 pm

For that matter, they don't actually look that much like M-80's either other than the white driver cones. The "look-alike" comment is a bit of a stretch IMO.

As to the necessity for big drivers to provide adequate low-end , I think PMC for one has shown what can be done with smaller drivers and clever design in terms of extracting ample and high-quality bass from a speaker. My current PMC's have a small driver but plenty of bottom-end. The pair I'm waiting for utilize even smaller drivers and the low-end is as good or better. Big drivers have their own potential issues in terms of how the sound can be negatively affected.
Good design and good component quality are key to a successful outcome.

D.D.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: budt on 20 Aug 2011, 06:49 pm
Good point - but what about keeping the front baffle as thin as possible for off axis polar response considerations as well as the crossover point and slope required to the mids being part of the criteria when designing the loudspeakers?

james

  Personally , I think off axis response is way over rated. Us audiophiles usually listen alone and so are always in the sweet spot.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 20 Aug 2011, 07:13 pm
  Personally , I think off axis response is way over rated. Us audiophiles usually listen alone and so are always in the sweet spot.

Good off axis response is critical even in the sweetspot....
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Aug 2011, 07:20 pm
Good off axis response is critical even in the sweetspot....


Totally agree :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 20 Aug 2011, 08:13 pm
James,,,will you be running any consumer focus group testing at Bryston headquarters??
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Habs Fan on 20 Aug 2011, 09:10 pm
It is typically not possible to combine high efficiency (especially at low frequencies) with compact enclosure size and adequate low frequency response
 
Yes according to Hoffman's Iron law but by doubling up on woofers voltage sensitivity is increased by 6 db,volume displacement effectively doubles and excursion required by each woofer is reduced to have the amount needed by a single driver for the same SPL.Add to this the fact that they are actively crossed over so there are no large power robbing inductors in series with the woofers so none of that voltage sensitivity is lost in the DCR resistance of the passive crossover.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Sasha on 21 Aug 2011, 12:02 am
  Personally , I think off axis response is way over rated. Us audiophiles usually listen alone and so are always in the sweet spot.
If off axis response is not uniform (the emphasis is on uniform) speakers cannot sound good under any circumstances, in any room and any position, other that anechoic chamber.
The fact that someone may sit in sweet spot (precisely on axis) is irrelevant, sound will be messed up in any place in the room. Getting speakers to measure good on axis is the easiest thing in design and execution, doing so off axis and getting controlled and uniform off axis response (power response), especially in cross-over regions, is what makes good speakers, and that is very hard.
That is one of reasons why the vast majority of speakers sound like crap.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: VOLKS on 21 Aug 2011, 02:00 am
Hi -they are not Active M80's - they are a complete redesign from the ground up - much bigger box - acoustic suspension etc.

james


Wonderful....so do you have any specs yet?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Aug 2011, 12:07 pm

Wonderful....so do you have any specs yet?

Hi Volks,

Nothing in stone yet but it looks like we can get a good 17Hz to 24kHz within a DB or so and very very low distortion.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Aug 2011, 12:14 pm
The are a lot of theories about polar response and speaker design but the main concern is always the speaker/room interface.  It has to be considered in totality when evaluating a specific speaker in a specific room. When a speaker has a very ‘wide’ and ‘even’ polar (frequency) response ‘on and off’ axis there is a lot of reflected sound information bouncing back from the ceiling, floor and side walls.  The theory is that the smoother the off axis response of the speaker the better the tonal balance between the direct sound and the reflected sound will be. In other words, the reflected sound will have the same overall tonal balance and sonic characteristics as the direct sound if ‘on and off’ polar response is smooth and even. Most designers feel this approach also provides the best overall three dimensional soundstage as well. Some obviously disagree and feel a beamed or directed sound at the listening position is the better approach because the room interaction is less of an issue as long as you are in the sweet spot (ex Roger Sanders Electrostatic Speakers). Sort of like big headphones.

Recognize though that when you’re listening to a speaker in a room you are always listening to a balance between the ‘Direct Sound’ and the ‘Reflected Sound’ from the boundaries of the room – this is called ‘POWER RESPONSE.’ It is that balance between direct and reflected that changes depending on the frequency radiation pattern (polar response) of the speaker.

For me I prefer the wide even polar response concept as it seems to provided me with the widest deepest soundstage of all the designs I have tried so far. To each his own :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Diamond Dog on 21 Aug 2011, 05:28 pm
Nothing in stone yet but it looks like we can get a good 17Hz to 24kHz within a DB or so and very very low distortion.
james

James : There are some pretty clever and successful speaker designers who maintain that sealed-cabinet design and "very very low distortion" are mutually-exclusive terms due to the additional work load which that design places upon the drivers especially as the volume goes up. You stated earlier that these speakers incorporate a sealed-cabinet design so how have you managed to get around that issue?

D.D.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Aug 2011, 05:30 pm
James : There are some pretty clever and successful speaker designers who maintain that sealed-cabinet design and "very very low distortion" are mutually-exclusive terms due to the additional work load which that design places upon the drivers especially as the volume goes up. You stated earlier that these speakers incorporate a sealed-cabinet design so how have you managed to get around that issue?

D.D.

Great low distortion drivers :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: VOLKS on 21 Aug 2011, 06:52 pm
Hi Volks,

Nothing in stone yet but it looks like we can get a good 17Hz to 24kHz within a DB or so and very very low distortion.

james


Very good specs.!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: amblin on 21 Aug 2011, 07:11 pm

Very good specs.!

Yeah, that's almost the spec of PMC's towering BB5XBD-A with twin 15" LF units /each channel and a BIG cabinet full of Bryston 7B,4B and crossovers, and i always thought that's simply not possible on smaller diameter LF units and especially sealed cabinets.....

i was lucky enough to demo the hundred thousand dollar setup and it... was.. soul.... enlightening..i even had an epiphany---- I need a better paid job.  :duh: or rob an armed bank escort
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 21 Aug 2011, 07:14 pm
James,,any thought of dsp room correction,,,perhaps in the Mark II version??
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Aug 2011, 07:16 pm
James,,any thought of dsp room correction,,,perhaps in the Mark II version??

No way  - hate room correction and so does the speaker designer I am working with - screws everything up. :duh:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Sasha on 21 Aug 2011, 07:19 pm
No way  - hate room correction and so does the speaker designer I am working with - screws everything up. :duh:

james

That was my experience as well, the end result is terrible sound, but I wonder why, what gets screwed up in the process?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 21 Aug 2011, 07:22 pm
Perhaps it can be done,,delicately and gently??
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Aug 2011, 07:32 pm
Yeah, that's almost the spec of PMC's towering BB5XBD-A with twin 15" LF units /each channel and a BIG cabinet full of Bryston 7B,4B and crossovers, and i always thought that's simply not possible on smaller diameter LF units and especially sealed cabinets.....

i was lucky enough to demo the hundred thousand dollar setup and it... was.. soul.... enlightening..i even had an epiphany---- I need a better paid job.  :duh: or rob an armed bank escort

Yes the BB5 system is superb - I had them for a while a few years ago.  The JT-1's would not be able to play at the levels they could.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Aug 2011, 07:54 pm
That was my experience as well, the end result is terrible sound, but I wonder why, what gets screwed up in the process?


Active room control, flatly stated, does not work. Never did..never will. Simple rules of physics vs the human hearing function. The very idea and execution...basically...retards the reproduced sound that emanates from the speakers in such a way that it bears little resemblance to what was recorded on the disk.  The room must fundamentally be corrected via acoustic treatment FIRST....and then MAYBE some small amount of active control may, I repeat -may be utilized.

The source of the problem is that the reflective time smear characteristics of the room 'issues' remains intact, and the direct radiator sound source is being retarded to compensate for this. Thus the result is a time smeared mess where the issues remain, and the original source is destroyed.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: amblin on 21 Aug 2011, 07:58 pm
....room correction,,,perhaps in the Mark II version??

You mean those knobs on the back of some speakers?  Or the funny external resistors such as those on Gryphon's Mojo?

In my opinion,  they are a pointless and over complicated way of spoiling an otherwise rather interesting and enjoyable experience ... :green: those knobs and resistors, they are deceiving little buggers that makes you belive that the impossible can be done and the sound is always not 'perfect enough' unless you turn the knobs abit.
----
EDIT:
I played with a friend's 'room correction processor' not long ago, it's from a very famous brand, and it's not cheap. Basically it's a thing you put between the signal source and your amps and stays there so you cant borrow it from your friend.

  After the test, i must say it works (although not much), but, with the money for that 'processor', i can hugely improve my room acoustics,replace the rolls of bubble wrap with something more refined,  cure the original cause of the problem and easily surpass the 'improvements' offered by that machine.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Habs Fan on 21 Aug 2011, 08:31 pm
James : There are some pretty clever and successful speaker designers who maintain that sealed-cabinet design and "very very low distortion" are mutually-exclusive terms due to the additional work load which that design places upon the drivers especially as the volume goes up. You stated earlier that these speakers incorporate a sealed-cabinet design so how have you managed to get around that issue?

D.D.
There are also many a sucessful designer that will claim superiority for the sealed alignment vs ported in such areas as  improved transient response(lower group delay) resulting in tighter more detailed bass.Using multiple drivers with long excursion low distortion motors will go a long way towards ameliorating excursion related distortion.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 22 Aug 2011, 01:16 am
Now this is interesting.

I didn't know this concept was already done and using a Bryston crossover no less.

http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/697waveform/index.html
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 22 Aug 2011, 01:17 am
And here they are for your viewing pleasure.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Waveform-Mach-17-Speaker-System-w-Bryston-Crossover-/260837612917?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D4%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D2229562406928573008
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: rofo on 22 Aug 2011, 01:35 am
any thought of dsp room correction

there is no such thing as "dsp room correction" (perhaps only very slightly) a room is a physical thing you must change the physical environment in order to change the characteristics of the room.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 22 Aug 2011, 01:58 am
Now this is interesting.

I didn't know this concept was already done and using a Bryston crossover no less.

http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/697waveform/index.html
indeed very nice speakers :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: audioligist on 24 Aug 2011, 01:02 am
i think that if james were to utilize dsp it would be in the new form of "bdsp", the "b" standing for bryston.

james, you working on such a thing?  :scratch:

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Vipers on 26 Aug 2011, 06:50 pm

Hi James,

A new challenger to the JT1 maybe  :wink:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50517)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Aug 2011, 07:01 pm
Yes I know a fellow in Toronto that just got a pair of these.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 26 Aug 2011, 07:48 pm
They look pretty cool. But they're probably an arm and a leg here in the US.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 26 Aug 2011, 07:55 pm
They look pretty cool. But they're probably an arm and a leg here in the US.

then they would be 2 arms and three legs in Canada eh!    What's that aboot?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 26 Aug 2011, 07:56 pm
Haha.  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: larevoj on 27 Aug 2011, 09:11 am
Hi James,

A new challenger to the JT1 maybe  :wink:


Not a Class D fan  :thumbdown:

I think Bryston Class AB would be far superior in implementation...perhaps pure class A only on tweeter??
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Russell Dawkins on 27 Aug 2011, 05:02 pm
Now this is interesting.

I didn't know this concept was already done and using a Bryston crossover no less.

http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/697waveform/index.html

Already done, indeed, and done well. Now they are being re-introduced as though a new idea by one of the larger players in pro audio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwkUKnF1lG8
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Aug 2011, 06:04 pm
Already done, indeed, and done well. Now they are being re-introduced as though a new idea by one of the larger players in pro audio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwkUKnF1lG8

Not sure that is fair :nono: Some credit should go to John Otvos. :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SHV on 27 Aug 2011, 06:35 pm
"Some credit should go to John Otvos"
*********
I'm still p*ssed at John Otvos.  After doing research for >6 month, I was ready to order Mach 17s and John suddenly stopped production.  Not all was lost; researching the 17s led me to a new to me electronics brand, Bryston.

Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Aug 2011, 07:15 pm
"Some credit should go to John Otvos"
*********
I'm still p*ssed at John Otvos.  After doing research for >6 month, I was ready to order Mach 17s and John suddenly stopped production.  Not all was lost; researching the 17s led me to a new to me electronics brand, Bryston.

Steve

Hi Steve

I know John did not quit because he wanted too. It just proves that building a better mouse trap does not always work out as you think it will. A great speaker and a great guy :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SHV on 27 Aug 2011, 09:04 pm
"I know John did not quit because he wanted too."
********
I assumed that was the situation.  He had just purchased an expensive CNC machine to decrease the build time of enclosures and then shortly there after, closed up shop.  Glad to see his "egg design" re-validated in 2011.

Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 27 Aug 2011, 09:07 pm
Hi Steve

I know John did not quit because he wanted too. It just proves that building a better mouse trap does not always work out as you think it will. A great speaker and a great guy :thumb:

James
well said. :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Russell Dawkins on 28 Aug 2011, 12:42 am
Not sure that is fair :nono: Some credit should go to John Otvos. :thumb:

James

Absolutely; that was my point. A search on John Otvos brings up some very interesting reading.

He is still very active in green housebuilding and cabinet work, no doubt.
http://greenerbuilding.ca/tag/john-otvos/
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 14 Sep 2011, 01:44 pm
James, have you made any further progress on your speaker project? 
 
Where are you along the path?  I'm sure there is a development plan.  I've heard that where technology and computer modeling currently sits today - it's possible to get a speaker design substantially finalized before even building a physical prototype (to paraphrase Paul Barton). 
 
I'm assuming then if you are in the physical prototype stages, you may be just a few months away from a finalized product - if all things are lining up.  What is left to do?   :whip:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Sep 2011, 04:31 pm
James, have you made any further progress on your speaker project? 
 
Where are you along the path?  I'm sure there is a development plan.  I've heard that where technology and computer modeling currently sits today - it's possible to get a speaker design substantially finalized before even building a physical prototype (to paraphrase Paul Barton). 
 
I'm assuming then if you are in the physical prototype stages, you may be just a few months away from a finalized product - if all things are lining up.  What is left to do?   :whip:



Hi

We have done all kinds of testing in the anechoic chamber and the factory listening room as well as many tweeks to the electronic crossover (boy DSP allows you a lot of fine tuning) and I should be able to take them home next week for in home assessment. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 14 Sep 2011, 04:33 pm


Hi

We have done all kinds of testing in the anechoic chamber and the factory listening room as well as many tweeks to the electronic crossover (boy DSP allows you a lot of fine tuning) and I should be able to take them home next week for in home assessment. :thumb:

james

Looking foward to hearing your impressions of them against some of your reference speakers....exciting times!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 14 Sep 2011, 04:43 pm


Hi

I should be able to take them home next week for in home assessment. :thumb:

James

I was thinking the same thing about the cute twins just up the street. :thumb: 8)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 19 Sep 2011, 03:53 pm


Hi

We have done all kinds of testing in the anechoic chamber and the factory listening room as well as many tweeks to the electronic crossover (boy DSP allows you a lot of fine tuning) and I should be able to take them home next week for in home assessment. :thumb:

james

Looking forward to your update, once you get those babies home.  I thought this article on levitating magnetic speakers was interesting - given the focus of this thread:
 
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Floating-Speakers-Levitating-superconducting-concept,news-12518.html (http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Floating-Speakers-Levitating-superconducting-concept,news-12518.html)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 13 Oct 2011, 10:06 pm

... I should be able to take them home next week for in home assessment. :thumb:

james
Hi James, have you had anytime to assess them at home?  what are your impressions? 

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Oct 2011, 03:33 am
Hi James, have you had anytime to assess them at home?  what are your impressions?

Get them back on Tuesday after I get back from RMAF.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Oct 2011, 06:02 pm
Hi Folks,

Bryston Active speakers now installed in soundroom one:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=52608)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=52609)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: brj on 18 Oct 2011, 06:35 pm
Hi James.  I've always wanted to play with active speakers, so I've been following this thread with interest.

I may have missed it, but what crossover are you planning on using?  The best info I saw was your quote that it was an "external balanced DSP electronic crossover".

(I assume this is more likely to be impedance balanced via transformers on the outputs, rather than fully differential?)

Thanks!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JfTM on 18 Oct 2011, 06:35 pm
Looks good  :thumb:

What's the target retail price?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Oct 2011, 07:30 pm
Hi James.  I've always wanted to play with active speakers, so I've been following this thread with interest.

I may have missed it, but what crossover are you planning on using?  The best info I saw was your quote that it was an "external balanced DSP electronic crossover".

(I assume this is more likely to be impedance balanced via transformers on the outputs, rather than fully differential?)

Thanks!

Hi

Still looking at the crossover design but it will be XLR balanced.  DSP vs Analog as well need testing.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Oct 2011, 07:31 pm
Looks good  :thumb:

What's the target retail price?

Do not know yet as a lot will depend on crossover design choosen.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 18 Oct 2011, 07:34 pm
 Hi James,

Since they are active, will my 28's and 10b sub still be of any use? Hope I don't have to find them another place...

Marius

Quote from: James Tanner link=topic=97007.msg1004029#msg1004029

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Do not know yet as a lot will depend on crossover design choosen.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Oct 2011, 07:45 pm
Hi James,

Since they are active, will my 28's and 10b sub still be of any use? Hope I don't have to find them another place...

Marius

The way it is now any Bryston amp can be used but the crossover has to be dedicated to the speaker - so many parameters are needed in the crossover besides slope and frequency cut-off.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 18 Oct 2011, 10:02 pm
Hi Folks,

Bryston Active speakers now installed in soundroom one:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=52608)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=52609)
Looks great James. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
From green leds in the 2d picture I think you got a pair 7B and 2x4Bs.Please, Let us know about the differences between DSP and 10B.That is what I would love to know.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Oct 2011, 10:12 pm
^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes using 7B on the 2 woofers and a 4B on the mids and tweeter :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 19 Oct 2011, 10:32 pm
Looks good James!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spinner on 20 Oct 2011, 08:47 pm
  Very nice James. When are you visiting us in Vancouver and bringing a pair to sample  (at the new "Commercial" location) ? :P
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Bugsy on 21 Oct 2011, 04:42 am
  Very nice James. When are you visiting us in Vancouver and bringing a pair to sample  (at the new "Commercial" location) ? :P


I second that thought. Would be nice to meet Mr James Tanner  :D and here these speakers :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 21 Oct 2011, 12:54 pm
^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes using 7B on the 2 woofers and a 4B on the mids and tweeter :thumb:

James

Hey James - I get the 7Bs on the woofers - with the 4Bs - is one 4B driving the mids running in stereo and then the other 4B driving the tweeters alone?  Just curious as to the hookup.  This would make it a tri-amplified setup, right?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2011, 01:08 pm

Hey James - I get the 7Bs on the woofers - with the 4Bs - is one 4B driving the mids running in stereo and then the other 4B driving the tweeters alone?  Just curious as to the hookup.  This would make it a tri-amplified setup, right?

Correct - it is a tri-amp set up but you could use any combination of Bryston amps.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DEV on 21 Oct 2011, 03:22 pm
Sharp looking speakers James  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 21 Oct 2011, 04:46 pm
From the looks of them can I conclude that they are to be used with magnetic grills or is this truly a grilless design.  If with magnetic grills, I assume the preferred method to listen to them is with grills off?   :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2011, 04:49 pm
From the looks of them can I conclude that they are to be used with magnetic grills or is this truly a grilless design.  If with magnetic grills, I assume the preferred method to listen to them is with grills off?   :icon_lol:

Correct - magnetic grills - looking at styling now.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 21 Oct 2011, 09:50 pm
So these definitely will go into production? If so, I believe I've found my ideal speaker!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 17 Nov 2011, 03:47 am
Hi James
How is new speakers?Did you try the 10b yet or still working on DSP?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Nov 2011, 11:59 am
Hi James
How is new speakers?Did you try the 10b yet or still working on DSP?

Hi PRELUDE

Yes - I think I have decided to go DSP on this project - there is just so much you can do with DSP in terms of tailoring the speaker requirements to the crossover network. I am unhappy with the current version of the crossover though as it is just a prototype and using generic chips and IC's. I find it does not have the transient speed and dynamics I was after.

So I am building a Bryston crossover using our Crystal Dacs and fully discrete Class-A operational amplifiers and fully balanced circuitry before I make a final decision.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gil99 on 17 Nov 2011, 12:35 pm
Really like the esthetic of the speaker, but not sure about the white driver!  Any chance that black driver could be use.

Gil
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Nov 2011, 01:41 pm
Really like the esthetic of the speaker, but not sure about the white driver!  Any chance that black driver could be use.

Gil

Hi Gil

I do not think so because I am using current drivers from a Canadian speaker company - I will ask. There are grills available as well.

Also I am going to increase the size (depth) of the front baffle for more rigidity and something interesting in the camber we noticed that we could really improve the resonance characteristics of the side panels by using different types of bracing on each side :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 17 Nov 2011, 05:48 pm
Hi PRELUDE

Yes - I think I have decided to go DSP on this project - there is just so much you can do with DSP in terms of tailoring the speaker requirements to the crossover network. I am unhappy with the current version of the crossover though as it is just a prototype and using generic chips and IC's. I find it does not have the transient speed and dynamics I was after.

So I am building a Bryston crossover using our Crystal Dacs and fully discrete Class-A operational amplifiers and fully balanced circuitry before I make a final decision.

James
That is a good news to go with Bryston crossover and cannot wait to see it. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: rollo on 17 Nov 2011, 07:01 pm
Hi Volks,

Nothing in stone yet but it looks like we can get a good 17Hz to 24kHz within a DB or so and very very low distortion.

james

   :o Got my attention now. My pet peve has always been lack of bass response below 35Hz for a full range speakers. If one desires bass down to the nether region one pays the Piper dearly for that. $$$$$ Maybe this will be the exception. Hoping



charles
SMA
 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 17 Nov 2011, 09:14 pm
I agree.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: VOLKS on 23 Nov 2011, 07:49 pm
Anymore news on when the speakers will be completed and if they will be for sale as a Bryston product and how much?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Nov 2011, 07:57 pm
Anymore news on when the speakers will be completed and if they will be for sale as a Bryston product and how much?

Hi Volks,

Sorry no idea yet as I am waiting for the Bryston DSP crossover to be built before I go further with the idea.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: VOLKS on 23 Nov 2011, 11:44 pm
Hi Volks,

Sorry no idea yet as I am waiting for the Bryston DSP crossover to be built before I go further with the idea.

james


Thanks James......................if all goes well......will this be for sale in the Bryston Lineup?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Nov 2011, 12:29 am

Thanks James......................if all goes well......will this be for sale in the Bryston Lineup?

Hi Volks

Not sure - I am really doing this to provide myself with another listening tool.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 6 Feb 2012, 07:52 pm
Hi James,

I see you've updated your forum photo with what appears to be another iteration / latest version of your project active speaker.  Could you share some larger, closer shots?  Could you share where you are on this interesting journey? 

I believe the last prototype was lacking in dynamics and transient speed - have you made progress on this?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Feb 2012, 08:13 pm
Hi James,

I see you've updated your forum photo with what appears to be another iteration / latest version of your project active speaker.  Could you share some larger, closer shots?  Could you share where you are on this interesting journey? 

I believe the last prototype was lacking in dynamics and transient speed - have you made progress on this?  Thanks.

Hi SoundGame,

It has been an interesting journey so far.

I have always felt that the main problem I have experienced with the many speakers I have owned has been 'dynamic compression' . When you hear a gun shot or a back fire in the real world the dynamics are huge. Most speakers I have owned (other than horns) always seem to lack the ability to recreate the dynamics of real life or real music. So my quest with this speaker was to produce a speaker capable of real world performance. I have played with double woofer single mid and tweeter, then double woofer, double mids, single tweeter. Was not happy so decided, screw it, lets go all out with a triple woofer, double mid and double tweeter and see what happens. This arrangement is heresy in the audiophile world I know but it really does seem to work well. :scratch:

Also we are just about finished with a Bryston version of the DSP electronic crossover I want to use with this speaker. Up till now I have been just using a generic chip based version of the crossover.  The Bryston will be a full discrete Class A circuit, Balanced inputs and outputs, will operate at 96/24 and have terrific power supply integrity and excellent noise and distortion figures on the order of 100 times better than the distortion of the generic chip version I was using.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 6 Feb 2012, 08:23 pm
Hi SoundGame,

It has been an interesting journey so far.

I have always felt that the main problem I have experienced with the many speakers I have owned has been 'dynamic compression' . When you hear a gun shot or a back fire in the real world the dynamics are huge. Most speakers I have owned (other than horns) always seem to lack the ability to recreate the dynamics of real life or real music. So my quest with this speaker was to produce a speaker capable of real world performance. I have played with double woofer single mid and tweeter, then double woofer, double mids, single tweeter. Was not happy so decided, screw it, lets go all out with a triple woofer, double mid and double tweeter and see what happens. This arrangement is heresy in the audiophile world I know but it really does seem to work well. :scratch:

Also we are just about finished with a Bryston version of the DSP electronic crossover I want to use with this speaker. Up till now I have been just using a generic chip based version of the crossover.  The Bryston will be a full Class A circuit, Balanced inputs and outputs, will operate at 96/24 and have terrific power supply integrity and excellent noise and distortion g\figures on the order of 100 times better than the distortion of the generic chip version I was using.

james

It's great to be able to just go for it.  You have a vision in mind and you're designing accordingly - that's how great things get made, acknowledging the the R&D is costly and there are many hurdles along the way.

I'm sure in your quest for dynamics, impact and transient reponse (your gun shot analogy makes this clear) other complications will arise such as integrating the drivers to make them sound as if they are operating as one single driver / point source. 

Excuse me for my ignorance but with an active crossover and DSP, would you still have cross-over points between the drivers - I'm assuming so?  What are they looking like at the moment?  Is this 7 driver, 3-way or a 7 driver, 7-way?  How discrete are the frequency band separations i.e. the steepness in the roll-off?

Don't forget those pics - close-ups please.   :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 6 Feb 2012, 08:26 pm
Oh, I'm sure you've already thought about going the Pipedream route with many very fast responding small drivers in an array fashion.  That would get you the quickness, though you need to add a lot of drivers to get the volume of air you need to move.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 6 Feb 2012, 08:28 pm
Oh and James - in your experience, what is the most dynamic, fastest speaker you've come across that uses conventional drivers?  I'm assuming it's an active one. :o
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Feb 2012, 08:30 pm
Oh and James - in your experience, what is the most dynamic, fastest speaker you've come across that uses conventional drivers?  I'm assuming it's an active one. :o

PMC - BB5 Active stack

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Feb 2012, 08:32 pm


I have looked at the 'line source' idea but the experts tell me in order to be a 'true line source' it MUST extend floor to ceiling.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Feb 2012, 08:34 pm
Excuse me for my ignorance but with an active crossover and DSP, would you still have cross-over points between the drivers - I'm assuming so?  What are they looking like at the moment?  Is this 7 driver, 3-way or a 7 driver, 7-way?  How discrete are the frequency band separations i.e. the steepness in the roll-off?

Don't forget those pics - close-ups please.   :thumb:
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Yes crossovers are still used - currently 380HZ and 3.8K.  The speaker would be a 3-way.  There are things you can do with a DSP which are very much more difficult in the analog domain - so controlling the drivers on and off axis response (great power response)  looks promising.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 6 Feb 2012, 08:35 pm
PMC - BB5 Active stack

james

Your aspirations for your speaker...is the intention to surpass the BB5 at a lower cost and more manageable size or to get near there...say 90%??

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Feb 2012, 08:37 pm
Your aspirations for your speaker...is the intention to surpass the BB5 at a lower cost and more manageable size or to get near there...say 90%??

Get near at 'Model T' prices in comparison.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 6 Feb 2012, 08:41 pm
Get near at 'Model T' prices in comparison.

james

Sounds like a winning proposition - if it's achieveable, especially keeping all things domestic.  Very interesting James - thanks for the opportunity to join you in the quest...now those pics, please... :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 6 Feb 2012, 08:48 pm
Get near at 'Model T' prices in comparison.

james

I like your plan!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 6 Feb 2012, 08:53 pm
James,
Do you need a horn speaker with high efficiency to accomplish the instantaneous type of dynamics you are searching for?  I agree with you on this goal and that is one big aspect of making music sound real.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Feb 2012, 08:58 pm
James,
Do you need a horn speaker with high efficiency to accomplish the instantaneous type of dynamics you are searching for?  I agree with you on this goal and that is one big aspect of making music sound real.

Yes that is my frustration - my first speakers were Corner Horns - which were incredibly coloured of course - but to this day I miss what they did well.  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 7 Feb 2012, 01:54 am
James,
Have you guys at Bryston ever thought about a single solution pre crossover in one box and out board power supply to minimize the wire from pre to crossover and space?
Or it is not a good idea.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 7 Feb 2012, 02:13 am
Really like the esthetic of the speaker, but not sure about the white driver!  Any chance that black driver could be use.

Gil




May I respectfully suggest an option for dark coloured woofers?

James,,,this was the first request for dark woofers!!  Maybe include a can of satin black paint from "Crappy Tire"??
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Feb 2012, 02:26 am
James,
Have you guys at Bryston ever thought about a single solution pre crossover in one box and out board power supply to minimize the wire from pre to crossover and space?
Or it is not a good idea.

I think the problem is not many customers need an electronic crossover as part of their system.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Feb 2012, 02:35 am



James,,,this was the first request for dark woofers!!  Maybe include a can of satin black paint from "Crappy Tire"??

No I am afraid they have to stay white as they are aluminum custom drivers. There will be grills though which can be black.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57600)



James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 7 Feb 2012, 02:51 am
Given that there are now 7 drivers, I'm assuming the height of the speaker is perhaps about 8 inches higher than the Axiom v80, which measures at around 40 inches - so is the design now around 48 inches in height.  Given typical seated ear level of around 34 inches, does this present a problem with tweeter position and phase?  Is phase coherence handled by the DSP or would it make sense to time align the drivers with an angled front baffle, thus attempting to get a broad frequency dynamic wave to the listener in propper phase?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Feb 2012, 02:55 am
Given that there are now 7 drivers, I'm assuming the height of the speaker is perhaps about 8 inches higher than the Axiom v80, which measures at around 40 inches - so is the design now around 48 inches in height.  Given typical seated ear level of around 34 inches, does this present a problem with tweeter position and phase?  Is phase coherence handled by the DSP or would it make sense to time align the drivers with an angled front baffle, thus attempting to get a broad frequency dynamic wave to the listener in propper phase?

Yes 48 inches and yes all the alignments and phase can be adjusted in the DSP  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 7 Feb 2012, 07:10 pm
Get near at 'Model T' prices in comparison.

james

Model T eh? "T" stand for Tanner?  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 7 Feb 2012, 07:25 pm
Hi SoundGame,

It has been an interesting journey so far.

I have always felt that the main problem I have experienced with the many speakers I have owned has been 'dynamic compression' . When you hear a gun shot or a back fire in the real world the dynamics are huge. Most speakers I have owned (other than horns) always seem to lack the ability to recreate the dynamics of real life or real music. So my quest with this speaker was to produce a speaker capable of real world performance. I have played with double woofer single mid and tweeter, then double woofer, double mids, single tweeter. Was not happy so decided, screw it, lets go all out with a triple woofer, double mid and double tweeter and see what happens. This arrangement is heresy in the audiophile world I know but it really does seem to work well. :scratch:

Also we are just about finished with a Bryston version of the DSP electronic crossover I want to use with this speaker. Up till now I have been just using a generic chip based version of the crossover.  The Bryston will be a full Class A circuit, Balanced inputs and outputs, will operate at 96/24 and have terrific power supply integrity and excellent noise and distortion figures on the order of 100 times better than the distortion of the generic chip version I was using.

james

Yep, when I am watching a hockey game on my system downstairs every time someone gets slammed into the boards it make me jump/cringe. Just like being at a game. Courtesy of course of the Klipsch Lascala's. Add me to the list interested in hearing the Model T's. And you can get the woofers in any color......as longs as it's white ; )
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Feb 2012, 07:36 pm
Hey just thought maybe we should call the speaker the 'Bryston Model T'   :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 7 Feb 2012, 08:04 pm
..aahhh -oooooggaaa!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 8 Feb 2012, 01:31 am
Hey just thought maybe we should call the speaker the 'Bryston Model T'   :thumb:

james

Well, you have the "ST" or   Stuart Taylor inspired amps, so why wouldn't  you run with the  Model T's ?

Have fun with them James.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Feb 2012, 09:01 pm
Hi Folks,

Prototype DSP crossover ready for testing  :thumb:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57677)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57678)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 8 Feb 2012, 09:17 pm
James - that is cool!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TomS on 8 Feb 2012, 09:30 pm
Hi Folks,

Prototype DSP crossover ready for testing  :thumb:


Very nice! Do tell ...
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 8 Feb 2012, 09:52 pm
Hi Folks,

Prototype DSP crossover ready for testing  :thumb:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57677)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57678)
Very nice. :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jtwrace on 8 Feb 2012, 11:27 pm
Very nice! Do tell ...
+1
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 9 Feb 2012, 04:30 pm
Very promising, indeed.  Looking forward to hearing about your results with it and the new speaker.  All the best! :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Feb 2012, 03:00 pm
Latest version of Bryston Model T

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57736)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 10 Feb 2012, 03:18 pm
Latest version of Bryston Model T

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57736)

Now James - I've gotta say that it looks very slick in that colour - is that Wenge / Dark Walnut?  Lovely.

Are there any thoughts about utilizing an aluminum front baffle?  Given your connections for CNC milling of billet aluminum - would there not be benefits of incorporating something like that?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Feb 2012, 03:27 pm
Hi

No we have done a lot of research on resonance and controlling it and a thick MDF properly braced seems like the best solution. One of the advantages of having an anachoic chamber to test things in is you can try and test very quickly and not waste time going in the wrong direction. For instance we found you can actually have too much bracing in a side panel or front baffle as the frequency that it resonates at moves up in frequency as you add more bracing.

I am learning a lot through this exercise :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 10 Feb 2012, 03:34 pm
Hi

No we have done a lot of research on resonance and controlling it and a thick MDF properly braced seems like the best solution. One of the advantages of having an anachoic chamber to test things in is you can try and test very quickly and not waste time going in the wrong direction. For instance we found you can actually have too much bracing in a side panel or front baffle as the frequency that it resonates at moves up in frequency as you add more bracing.

I am learning a lot through this extercise :thumb:

James

This is interesting.  So James - it's an all MDF cabinet utilizing MDF internal bracing then?  Was any testing done with LDF and does your explanation apply for that as well i.e. it would result in higher-frequency resonances dominating?  How thick are you currently with your MDF panels - front, back, sides, top & bottom?  Are you using the same thickness for internal bracing?

What type of internal sound dampening materials are being used?  Is it just poly-fill, foam, sound fabric eg. dynamat, borocilicate, or natural wool? 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Feb 2012, 03:46 pm
This is interesting.  So James - it's an all MDF cabinet utilizing MDF internal bracing then?  Was any testing done with LDF and does your explanation apply for that as well i.e. it would result in higher-frequency resonances dominating?  How thick are you currently with your MDF panels - front, back, sides, top & bottom?  Are you using the same thickness for internal bracing?

What type of internal sound dampening materials are being used?  Is it just poly-fill, foam, sound fabric eg. dynamat, borocilicate, or natural wool?

Hi

I can not get into details as we are still experimenting due to the cabinet getting larger but I am having the speaker designed by engineers that have over 30 plus years of experience with these issues and I am leaving many of those decisions  to them. I am just the listener and the pain in the ass question guy.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 10 Feb 2012, 04:10 pm
Hi

I can not get into details as we are still experimenting due to the cabinet getting larger but I am having the speaker designed by engineers that have over 30 plus years of experience with these issues and I am leaving many of those decisions  to them. I am just the listener and the pain in the ass question guy.

James

Isn't that the most fun part????  :icon_twisted: :angel: A lovely place to be from my perspective.  Cheers.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JfTM on 10 Feb 2012, 05:33 pm
..... and the pain in the ass question guy.

James

Best job ever  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 10 Feb 2012, 07:32 pm
  Lookin' good James..................... :weights:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Feb 2012, 01:38 pm
Latest:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57859)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57860)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57861)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 12 Feb 2012, 02:08 pm
Latest:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57859)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57860)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57861)
Looking good James :thumb:
Would you think about smaller pakage also?
Looks like they are getting popular.Just take a look at this short list of active speakers.The PMC and 10B crossover are in the list.

http://thewelltemperedcomputer.com/HW/ActiveSpeakers.htm
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Feb 2012, 03:10 pm
Interesting PRELUDE - did not realize there were that many. Most have internal amps and crossovers though and I will be sticking with external crossover and amps.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 12 Feb 2012, 04:37 pm
Hi James,

I know this thread is about the Model T; however, it has drawn my attention to Axiom lodspekaers, specifically the M80.  Recognizing those are passive and would not provide results that you are seeking with your acctive design, but given that the engineers, techniques, testing are Axiom based, I would be interested in your trained ear perspectives on the M80 with Bryston amplification?  I assume you have tried them and if so, how would you describe/characterize them?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Feb 2012, 05:52 pm
Hi James,

I know this thread is about the Model T; however, it has drawn my attention to Axiom lodspekaers, specifically the M80.  Recognizing those are passive and would not provide results that you are seeking with your acctive design, but given that the engineers, techniques, testing are Axiom based, I would be interested in your trained ear perspectives on the M80 with Bryston amplification?  I assume you have tried them and if so, how would you describe/characterize them?

Hi Soundgame,

When I was looking around for someone to help me with the Bryston Model T idea there were only a hand full of companies that had the testing facilities (anachoic chamber) and test gear I wanted so it narrowed the field a lot. I phone Ian at Axiom because I knew he had great facilities and testing gear and had been heavily involved in the listening tests I was involved in years ago at the National Research Council in Ottawa - (boy that brings back a flood of memories) :D  I also knew that Andrew Welker (whom I respected) a design engineer from Canadian company Audio Products days had joined Axiom as well.

Anyway I asked him to send me a pair of the 80's for evaluation and it was a revelation - I have had some serious speakers in my day but the M80 really surprised me.  Being the skeptic I am I asked a few friends to come over and audition the system setup in room 3 - see attached.  Well everyone thought it sounded terrific and when I told them the price ($1400) it was 'disbelief Squared' :duh:

So I decided if this company can get this kind of performance at this price range I found my guy. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

James

PS - if the Model T sounds bad I will only have suicide as an alternative :duh:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57866)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57867)



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 12 Feb 2012, 06:10 pm
Hi Soundgame,

When I was looking around for someone to help me with the Bryston Model T idea there were only a hand full of companies that had the testing facilities (anachoic chamber) and test gear I wanted so it narrowed the field a lot. I phone Ian at Axiom because I knew he had great facilities and testing gear and had been heavily involved in the listening tests I was involved in years ago at the National Research Council in Ottawa - (boy that brings back a flood of memories) :D  I also knew that Andrew Welker (whom I respected) a design engineer from Canadian company Audio Products days had joined Axiom as well.

Anyway I asked him to send me a pair of the 80's for evaluation and it was a revelation - I have had some serious speakers in my day but the M80 really surprised me.  Being the skeptic I am I asked a few friends to come over and audition the system setup in room 3 - see attached.  Well everyone thought it sounded terrific and when I told them the price ($1400) it was 'disbelief Squared' :duh:

So I decided if this company can get this kind of performance at this price range I found my guy. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

James

PS - if the Model T sounds bad I will only have suicide as an alternative :duh:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57866)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57867)

Thanks James.  I've been considering them but they don't get the typical "press" in the audiophile magazines.  The few industry reviews seem very positive and their specifications on their website are great to say the least - very flat performance and virtually full range.  Perhaps I should bump them up on my list as potentials - your comments give me some added comfort.  Cheers.!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Diamond Dog on 12 Feb 2012, 07:29 pm
Those  Model T's are sure evolving , James - quite an odyssey. Are your listening rooms untreated ?

D.D.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Feb 2012, 07:34 pm
Those  Model T's are sure evolving , James - quite an oddysey. Are your listening rooms untreated ?

D.D.

Some are like in room 3 above I have tube traps in the corners and in room 1 I have the smaller on wall absorbers to cut down on room splash.   In room 2 I have use RPG diffusers covering the front wall.

I have mixed feelings about absorption and have experimented over the years but find most people over do it and it ends up sounding too dead.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Diamond Dog on 12 Feb 2012, 07:51 pm
Some are like in room 3 above I have tube traps in the corners and in room 1 I have the smaller on wall absorbers to cut down on room splash.   In room 2 I have use RPG diffusers covering the front wall.

I have mixed feelings about absorption and have experimented over the years but fine most people over do it and it ends up sounding too dead.

James

Those tube traps are visually a lot different from a lot of the stuff you see...In my typically bass-ackwards way, I'm just starting to work on room treatments now. Thanks for the input!

D.D.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bjcays on 13 Feb 2012, 07:49 pm
. . . Well everyone thought it sounded terrific and when I told them the price ($1400) it was 'disbelief Squared' :duh:
Hi James,
Can you let us know what brand of speakers your friends who auditioned the Axiom M80v3 are currently running in their system ?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Feb 2012, 08:17 pm
Hi James,
Can you let us know what brand of speakers your friends who auditioned the Axiom M80v3 are currently running in their system ?

Magnepan, PMC, Quad, PSB, Genelec and ATC I think.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 14 Feb 2012, 04:59 pm
Hi Soundgame,

When I was looking around for someone to help me with the Bryston Model T idea there were only a hand full of companies that had the testing facilities (anachoic chamber) and test gear I wanted so it narrowed the field a lot. I phone Ian at Axiom because I knew he had great facilities and testing gear and had been heavily involved in the listening tests I was involved in years ago at the National Research Council in Ottawa - (boy that brings back a flood of memories) :D  I also knew that Andrew Welker (whom I respected) a design engineer from Canadian company Audio Products days had joined Axiom as well.

Anyway I asked him to send me a pair of the 80's for evaluation and it was a revelation - I have had some serious speakers in my day but the M80 really surprised me.  Being the skeptic I am I asked a few friends to come over and audition the system setup in room 3 - see attached.  Well everyone thought it sounded terrific and when I told them the price ($1400) it was 'disbelief Squared' :duh:

So I decided if this company can get this kind of performance at this price range I found my guy. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

James

PS - if the Model T sounds bad I will only have suicide as an alternative :duh:


Hi James, the Andrew Welker from Audio Products you mention in your note above.  Is that Audio Products International (API) that was located in north Scarborough on McNicol Drive about a decade or so ago?  I know them well, they were the mother company of Energy, Mirage, Sound Dynamics, Athena, Paisley and dB Plus as I  know.  It was a sad shame to have them bought our by a U.S. company i.e. Klipsch, who moved production to China and turned focused their products on big-box store placement - the famous Energy Pro22 were my first introduction to studio/audiophile speakers.  My father still owns them.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Feb 2012, 05:10 pm
Hi James, the Andrew Welker from Audio Products you mention in your note above.  Is that Audio Products International (API) that was located in north Scarborough on McNicol Drive about a decade or so ago?  I know them well, they were the mother company of Energy, Mirage, Sound Dynamics, Athena, Paisley and dB Plus as I  know.  It was a sad shame to have them bought our by a U.S. company i.e. Klipsch, who moved production to China and turned focused their products on big-box store placement - the famous Energy Pro22 were my first introduction to studio/audiophile speakers.  My father still owns them.

Yes the one and the same company.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 14 Feb 2012, 08:44 pm
I'm not sure how far you are along and whether you can share some of the measurement highlights you're getting on this speaker but here's a few questions:

1) Expected anechoic frequency response at +/- 3dB
2) Expected maximum SPL
3) Expected input unclipped power handling before dynamic compression across the frequency spectrum
4) Distortion levels

Thanks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 14 Feb 2012, 11:15 pm
How about "are they making you smle? "
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Feb 2012, 11:21 pm
Hi Folks

I have the single tweeter version at home with the Bryston BDX -1 crossover but have not had a chance to try it on the 2 tweeter  -  triple Woofer version yet.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 14 Feb 2012, 11:25 pm
If your smart, you won't be listening to them tonight  :wink:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Feb 2012, 11:29 pm
If your smart, you won't be listening to them tonight  :wink:

Good point :duh:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dakkon on 19 Feb 2012, 08:24 pm
James, for those of us who already have enough amplification as well as channels. Do you know if the option will be made available to buy the speakers and crossover without the amps? I have 3 channel krell amps that are rated for 250W @8ohm and 500W @4ohm on all 3 channels... they are the KAV-250a/3's. I currently have Axiom speakers and have been buggin Ian to build a speaker like the one you are building for a couple years now to no avail...

Thank you for your time, Alex
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Feb 2012, 08:44 pm
Hi Alex

No sorry there is no way to design the speaker to be passive as the electronic crossover is designed to control and equalize the driver compliment. The active approach gives us so much more control over all the areas of performance that a passive network could not do.

As a matter of fact we have found that the active DSP electronic crossover approach allows us to tailor each crossover to each speaker. I am thinking about placing each speaker in the anachoic chamber and adjusting the crossover to exactly match the specific speaker. That way we can even adjust for slight variations in the speaker drivers themselves  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Feb 2012, 08:48 pm
James, for those of us who already have enough amplification as well as channels. Do you know if the option will be made available to buy the speakers and crossover without the amps? I have 3 channel krell amps that are rated for 250W @8ohm and 500W @4ohm on all 3 channels... they are the KAV-250a/3's. I currently have Axiom speakers and have been buggin Ian to build a speaker like the one you are building for a couple years now to no avail...

Thank you for your time, Alex

Crap  :duh:

Hi Alex

I just realized you asked about using other amps - yes as long as the amps are of equal Gain on all channels.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dakkon on 19 Feb 2012, 10:02 pm
Crap  :duh:

Hi Alex

I just realized you asked about using other amps - yes as long as the amps are of equal Gain on all channels.

James

All of the amps are the exact same model, so the gain "should" be the exact same, unless any of the transistors have drifted a little over the years...

Do you have any idea what the speakers+crossover would cost, or are you at liberty to be able say? Could i call to get a price and or wait for the "official" public unveil?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 19 Feb 2012, 10:27 pm
Hi Alex

No sorry there is no way to design the speaker to be passive as the electronic crossover is designed to control and equalize the driver compliment. The active approach gives us so much more control over all the areas of performance that a passive network could not do.

As a matter of fact we have found that the active DSP electronic crossover approach allows us to tailor each crossover to each speaker. I am thinking about placing each speaker in the anachoic chamber and adjusting the crossover to exactly match the specific speaker. That way we can even adjust for slight variations in the speaker drivers themselves  :thumb:

James

So James, you're at the point where this is looking like a viable prototype for an actual product?  What are the significant milestones you need to achieve now to be able to begin to draw a line in the sand as to when a production model will first be built? 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Feb 2012, 10:38 pm
So James, you're at the point where this is looking like a viable prototype for an actual product?  What are the significant milestones you need to achieve now to be able to begin to draw a line in the sand as to when a production model will first be built?

We are still working on the 3 woofer, double mid, and double tweeter version so maybe another month and I will be able to give some real answers.  It really has to outperform my current speakers to make any of this make sense to go forward with.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 20 Feb 2012, 03:18 am
We are still working on the 3 woofer, double mid, and double tweeter version so maybe another month and I will be able to give some real answers.  It really has to outperform my current speakers to make any of this make sense to go forward with.

james

Makes good sense - why go through all the trouble to build it, if you could buy better for slightly more or perhaps less.  Yes, it needs to take a competitive position in the crowd - and leading position in it's class would be even better.

If this does work out - then perhaps we'll see some active studio monitors - both near field and mid-field, down the road or does the vision only include a Model T?  Maybe I'm getting ahead on this... :bounce:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 20 Feb 2012, 03:49 am
James,
I think we both should forget about speakers.It would never be efficient. :o :o :o :o :o :o
http://www.royaldevice.com/custom.htm
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 20 Feb 2012, 03:50 am
We are still working on the 3 woofer, double mid, and double tweeter version so maybe another month and I will be able to give some real answers.  It really has to outperform my current speakers to make any of this make sense to go forward with.

james

....outperform my current speakers.........
would that be the maggie 3.7s you will be comparing against?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Feb 2012, 01:07 pm
....outperform my current speakers.........
would that be the maggie 3.7s you will be comparing against?

Hi Bill,

No not my Maggies or my Sanders Electrostatics as they are panels and have a completely different presentation. No I mean as compared to the best dynamic driver type speakers and of course passive versions of those speakers and active.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Feb 2012, 01:08 pm
James,
I think we both should forget about speakers.It would never be efficient. :o :o :o :o :o :o
http://www.royaldevice.com/custom.htm

WOW - I give up :lol:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 21 Feb 2012, 01:28 am
PMC - BB5 Active stack

james

Somewhat unrelated to this thread but given your response, I was interested in what are the Bryston amplifiers that are coupled to the BB5 Active speaker.  From the specs below, I would guess it would be a combination of three separate mono amplifiers - would that be a PP120 on the HF and what about the mids and lows.  The 4ohm is throwing me off, as well.

BB5-A Specifications
Useable frequency range: 17Hz-25kHz

Effective line length: 4m 13ft

Drive units:
LF 380mm Radial™
MF 75mm PMC fabric dome
HF 34mm PMC soft dome

Crossover frequency: 380Hz & 3.8kHz

Amplifier power:
HF 120W
MF 250W
LF 800W
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 22 Feb 2012, 08:31 pm
I wonder if the new loudspeaker from Axiom that will be introduced this March at Son&Image in Montreal, pair with Bryston electronics, will include any of the characteristics and/or learning of this projects or are they totally independent?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dakkon on 23 Feb 2012, 12:55 am
Ian, the owner of Axiom has said that they are 2 independent projects completely unrelated to each other...
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: cheviot100 on 1 Mar 2012, 04:50 am
James,

Just wondering if you've thought of a maple finish. My own Spendors look terrific, as I imagine the Model Ts would in that style... and wouldn't maple look swell on a big tall Canadian speaker.
(http://www.bigsale.ru/pics/big/spendor_s8e.jpg)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Mar 2012, 09:11 am
James,

Just wondering if you've thought of a maple finish. My own Spendors look terrific, as I imagine the Model Ts would in that style... and wouldn't maple look swell on a big tall Canadian speaker.
(http://www.bigsale.ru/pics/big/spendor_s8e.jpg)

They do look nice :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dakkon on 9 Mar 2012, 07:10 am
James, do you have any updates on your speakers?

Just thought i would ask....   :)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Mar 2012, 11:03 am
James, do you have any updates on your speakers?

Just thought i would ask....   :)

Hi,

I am thinking of showing them at the upcoming Montreal audio show and get some feedback.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dakkon on 9 Mar 2012, 05:59 pm
I think you should.. I am in the market for a pair of stereo speakers... Full range.. My current brand of choice is Wilson... However, i currently have Axiom's, and your speakers use Axiom drivers, so they would fit in perfectly with my other speakers.. Ian will be unavailing his new speaker on the 24th as well....  I would be quite interested in yours as well. I think that your speakers are more of what i am looking for, with the dual/tripple 8" woofers, i don't think Ian chose larger woofers, i have a feeling that they are using the 6 1/2's... The Wilsons that i am looking at are either the Sasha's or Sophia's, you'r speaker is comparable to the Sasha in driver configuration.

I am hopeful that it will be worth it for you to bring your speakers to market. I think that there will be a significant demand for them, if you are able to do it for the right price.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Mar 2012, 06:41 pm
I think you should.. I am in the market for a pair of stereo speakers... Full range.. My current brand of choice is Wilson... However, i currently have Axiom's, and your speakers use Axiom drivers, so they would fit in perfectly with my other speakers.. Ian will be unavailing his new speaker on the 24th as well....  I would be quite interested in yours as well. I think that your speakers are more of what i am looking for, with the dual/tripple 8" woofers, i don't think Ian chose larger woofers, i have a feeling that they are using the 6 1/2's... The Wilsons that i am looking at are either the Sasha's or Sophia's, you'r speaker is comparable to the Sasha in driver configuration.

I am hopeful that it will be worth it for you to bring your speakers to market. I think that there will be a significant demand for them, if you are able to do it for the right price.

Good luck!

Yes if I can get them finished in time I will bring them along. What price point do you think a 'stereo full-range active speaker system with dedicated crossover' should sell for??

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 9 Mar 2012, 07:04 pm
Yes if I can get them finished in time I will bring them along. What price point do you think a 'stereo full-range active speaker system with dedicated crossover' should sell for??

james
Hi James,
If I allowed.I would say no less then $10000 and no more then $15000 would be a good price for today's market.And there are few ways to amplify the system as pair of 6BSST2,3@4BSST2 or 2@4BSST2 and a pair 7BSST2 wich is my always favourite. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dakkon on 9 Mar 2012, 07:06 pm
Prelude posted while i was writing.. However, both of our posts are similar  :)

I actually sent Ian an email telling him what i was looking to spend a couple days ago :)..


For the product that you have, i personally would be willing to pay between 5-7k$, maybe....10k but for 10k$ i would have to audition them first. Ideally 5-7k$ as that is what i have budgeted for my new speakers... The Wilsons that i "may" buy. Would be a pre-owned set.

however, if you can bring your product to market for under 10k$, i think you would be at a price point where there would not be a lot of competition for a pair of speakers like the ones you have built. however, please keep in mind i am going off of the photos that you have posted, and have never heard your seen your speakers in person... I think that you would be competing with B&W 803,802 and 800 D'S, and of course Wilson Sasha, and Sophia.. those are just 2 companies for a short list, but the point being... of the two companies that i mentioned, their speakers that you would be directly competing against are well above the 10k price point. With that being said, i dont know if it would be possible for you to bring your speakers to market for under the 10k point and make any profit or not. But, if you can.... I think you would be in a VERY good position.


My 10k number is for the speakers and crossover ONLY.. No amplification.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SHV on 9 Mar 2012, 07:09 pm
"What price point do you think a 'stereo full-range active speaker system with dedicated crossover' should sell for??"
*******
MSRP at or less than a pair of B & W 802s???  However, with the Bryston set up, there is the additional cost of tri-amplification so it's getting into serious money territory at an 802 price.

Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Mar 2012, 07:15 pm
"What price point do you think a 'stereo full-range active speaker system with dedicated crossover' should sell for??"
*******
MSRP at or less than a pair of B & W 802s???  However, with the Bryston set up, there is the additional cost of tri-amplification so it's getting into serious money territory at an 802 price.

Steve

Serious System = Serious Money :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 9 Mar 2012, 07:24 pm
This is a true enjoyable passion of sound reproduction of all the time and won't be cheap for sure.
Less then 10000 would not be fair price IMO. :D
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Mar 2012, 07:28 pm
This is a true enjoyable passion of sound reproduction of all the time and won't be cheap for sure.
Less then 10000 would not be fair price IMO. :D

Well it certainly has been an interesting journey and the fact that the Model T started out as a simply 3 driver/3-way system and has now morphed into a 3-way/7 driver system with custom DSP crossover has been an eye opener. :duh:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SHV on 9 Mar 2012, 07:35 pm
Serious System = Serious Money :thumb:

A pair of Brystons speakers at 802 price driven by  a pair of 6Bs would be about $30,000 or 7Bs for the bottom end and a pair of 4Bs or...or...or....

Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dakkon on 9 Mar 2012, 07:36 pm
James, do you think the sub 10k$ mark would be reasonable? Would it be worth your while, profit wise?

You could always start a 503C nonprofit down here in the U.S. If you would break even at the 10k point :D
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 9 Mar 2012, 07:46 pm
A pair of Brystons speakers at 802 price driven by  a pair of 6Bs would be about $30,000 or 7Bs for the bottom end and a pair of 4Bs or...or...or....

Steve
somebody asked me if I could make a pair monitor speakers for his office and I told him I don't have a time right now to do it how about we buy a good one for you and this was about 5 months ago.I could not believe 50% of monitors are close to $9000 if not $18000.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 9 Mar 2012, 08:54 pm
My take on this is that I understand all companies, including Bryston are in the business of making money on their products - so adding a profit margin is necessary.

There come a balance point of volume sales with a smaller profit vs. lower sales with a higher profit.

Aiming for the later requires catering to desires of those seeking something exclusive.  Though I don't think Bryston is a company which designs / sells products on exclusivity, it comes with the territory as prices get higher and higher.

I totally recognize that there is effort, money and resources as well as recovery of R&D that comes into play here.

I would like to see and would hope that Bryston would come to the party with a net new product - priced agressively rather than competitively.   And, priced in a manner that doesn't push for exclusivity.

To name another manufacturer - though build is in a foreign country and that needs to be considered in the price as well - Golden Ear has taken an aggressive stance with the pricing of it's product - comparing what you get in that speaker along with the raving reviews - the product could demand a much higher price but that's not what Sandy is after.

In summation, take the cost of the product, factor in recovery of R&D over a reasonable timeframe, and price with a smaller profit margin the first year.  Get some sales and demand going and then consider raising the price in the following year.

This speaker is a Bryston product but it's based on Axiom technologies and engineering and manufacturing techniques, as I understand it.  So you start with the Axiom M80 v3 (a very aggressively priced product) $1500, add an additional driver, some improvements to the drivers and throw in an active design.  Take the $1500 add in $500 for the additional driver, gives you $2000, triple that cost for the active design (excluding amplification) and what do you get - roughly $6000.  Pad it with $1000 for R&D and other ancillary costs and you get to $7000.

If $7000 results in a profit - then why not sell it at that price.  You would draw new customers to Bryston who will then be interested in buying Bryston amps.  For the first year - well you could even run with no-profit and just work off the profits related to additional sales of amplfiers that people will naturally be drawn to as they were used in the development of the speakers.

My take.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 9 Mar 2012, 08:59 pm
My take on this is that I understand all companies, including Bryston are in the business of making money on their products - so adding a profit margin is necessary.

There come a balance point of volume sales with a smaller profit vs. lower sales with a higher profit.

Aiming for the later requires catering to desires of those seeking something exclusive.  Though I don't think Bryston is a company which designs / sells products on exclusivity, it comes with the territory as prices get higher and higher.

I totally recognize that there is effort, money and resources as well as recovery of R&D that comes into play here.

I would like to see and would hope that Bryston would come to the party with a net new product - priced agressively rather than competitively.   And, priced in a manner that doesn't push for exclusivity.

To name another manufacturer - though build is in a foreign country and that needs to be considered in the price as well - Golden Ear has taken an aggressive stance with the pricing of it's product - comparing what you get in that speaker along with the raving reviews - the product could demand a much higher price but that's not what Sandy is after.

In summation, take the cost of the product, factor in recovery of R&D over a reasonable timeframe, and price with a smaller profit margin the first year.  Get some sales and demand going and then consider raising the price in the following year.

This speaker is a Bryston product but it's based on Axiom technologies and engineering and manufacturing techniques, as I understand it.  So you start with the Axiom M80 v3 (a very aggressively priced product) $1500, add an additional driver, some improvements to the drivers and throw in an active design.  Take the $1500 add in $500 for the additional driver, gives you $2000, triple that cost for the active design (excluding amplification) and what do you get - roughly $6000.  Pad it with $1000 for R&D and other ancillary costs and you get to $7000.

If $7000 results in a profit - then why not sell it at that price.  You would draw new customers to Bryston who will then be interested in buying Bryston amps.  For the first year - well you could even run with no-profit and just work off the profits related to additional sales of amplfiers that people will naturally be drawn to as they were used in the development of the speakers.

My take.

Oh, and I'm guess that you would offer a 5yr warrantly on this product rather than the 20yrs???  That would keep cost down as well.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Mar 2012, 09:22 pm
My take on this is that I understand all companies, including Bryston are in the business of making money on their products - so adding a profit margin is necessary.

There come a balance point of volume sales with a smaller profit vs. lower sales with a higher profit.

Aiming for the later requires catering to desires of those seeking something exclusive.  Though I don't think Bryston is a company which designs / sells products on exclusivity, it comes with the territory as prices get higher and higher.

I totally recognize that there is effort, money and resources as well as recovery of R&D that comes into play here.

I would like to see and would hope that Bryston would come to the party with a net new product - priced agressively rather than competitively.   And, priced in a manner that doesn't push for exclusivity.

To name another manufacturer - though build is in a foreign country and that needs to be considered in the price as well - Golden Ear has taken an aggressive stance with the pricing of it's product - comparing what you get in that speaker along with the raving reviews - the product could demand a much higher price but that's not what Sandy is after.

In summation, take the cost of the product, factor in recovery of R&D over a reasonable timeframe, and price with a smaller profit margin the first year.  Get some sales and demand going and then consider raising the price in the following year.

This speaker is a Bryston product but it's based on Axiom technologies and engineering and manufacturing techniques, as I understand it.  So you start with the Axiom M80 v3 (a very aggressively priced product) $1500, add an additional driver, some improvements to the drivers and throw in an active design.  Take the $1500 add in $500 for the additional driver, gives you $2000, triple that cost for the active design (excluding amplification) and what do you get - roughly $6000.  Pad it with $1000 for R&D and other ancillary costs and you get to $7000.

If $7000 results in a profit - then why not sell it at that price.  You would draw new customers to Bryston who will then be interested in buying Bryston amps.  For the first year - well you could even run with no-profit and just work off the profits related to additional sales of amplfiers that people will naturally be drawn to as they were used in the development of the speakers.

My take.

Yes good points and one of the reasons I am thinking this will really turn out to just be a reference speaker for me to evaluate our gear on rather than a commercial product. :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 10 Mar 2012, 01:25 pm
Don't forget the cost of support, sparing and warranty. A big part of Bryston's appeal is your warranty and customer service.

It will be hard to escape comparisons with the M80's I expect. ( and perhaps axiom's new project speakers?). Being that the M80  seems to be an excellent speaker, and is sold with factory direct pricing,  and is a passive design, a M80 Model T comparison has all the ear marks of a great discussion!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Mar 2012, 01:44 pm
Don't forget the cost of support, sparing and warranty. A big part of Bryston's appeal is your warranty and customer service.

It will be hard to escape comparisons with the M80's I expect. ( and perhaps axiom's new project speakers?). Being that the M80  seems to be an excellent speaker, and is sold with factory direct pricing,  and is a passive design, a M80 Model T comparison has all the ear marks of a great discussion!

Hi,

I think you are probably right.... but the Model T is way beyond the performance level of the M80 - assuming we are talking about the performance that most serious audiophiles would wish for.  I think it may come down to whether an Active speaker with all the costs involved warrants the difference.  There are some great passive speakers out there.

As a listening tool though it certainly meets the criteria for me.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 10 Mar 2012, 02:34 pm
Hi,

I think you are probably right.... but the Model T is way beyond the performance level of the M80 - assuming we are talking about the performance that most serious audiophiles would wish for.  I think it may come down to whether an Active speaker with all the costs involved warrants the difference.  There are some great passive speakers out there.

As a listening tool though it certainly meets the criteria for me.

james

James, do you have enough listening time yet to give us a detailed  report?

I really kicking myself for not being able to make it to the show in Montreal and see/hear them 1st hand (a Rum and Whatever on a beach in Jamaica is not a bad alternative I guess).  The Model T  attributes sound like they would be right up my alley!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Mar 2012, 02:52 pm
James, do you have enough listening time yet to give us a detailed  report?

I really kicking myself for not being able to make it to the show in Montreal and see/hear them 1st hand (a Rum and Whatever on a beach in Jamaica is not a bad alternative I guess).  The Model T  attributes sound like they would be right up my alley!

Hi

No sadly I have only had time to listened to the prototypes up to this point. We are making some changes and I hope the final version will be ready for Montreal but can not guarantee it.   :duh: 

We are changing the voice coil design in the woofers and the mass of the woofer driver as well (I'm a stickler for transient response).  After that I should be able to report back a better assessment of the speakers overall performance in more detail for you.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 14 Mar 2012, 04:38 pm
Hi

No sadly I have only had time to listened to the prototypes up to this point. We are making some changes and I hope the final version will be ready for Montreal but can not guarantee it.   :duh: 

We are changing the voice coil design in the woofers and the mass of the woofer driver as well (I'm a stickler for transient response).  After that I should be able to report back a better assessment of the speakers overall performance in more detail for you.

James

Does it look like you will be unveiling a Bryston Model T at the Son & Image show next week?  If so, it would be interesting to know the setup it will be plugged into.

In terms of amplifier demands.  Given these will be used with an active crossover and DSP, what nominal impendence load will connected amplifiers be faced with?  Will the Model T be easy to drive - say with three 2B's, going to LF, MF, HF or would 7B's on LF, 3B on MF and 2B on HF be the minimum?  Have you experimented with different amplifier arrangements, yet?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Mar 2012, 06:02 pm
Does it look like you will be unveiling a Bryston Model T at the Son & Image show next week?  If so, it would be interesting to know the setup it will be plugged into.

In terms of amplifier demands.  Given these will be used with an active crossover and DSP, what nominal impendence load will connected amplifiers be faced with?  Will the Model T be easy to drive - say with three 2B's, going to LF, MF, HF or would 7B's on LF, 3B on MF and 2B on HF be the minimum?  Have you experimented with different amplifier arrangements, yet?

Hi Soundgame

I will have the prototypes there but it will probably be a static display as the newer woofers have not showed up yet. 

As for drive I would say minimum would be a 3-channel 9B per side and option would be a 6B per side - all out if one has a huge room and listens loudly I would say a 7B on the bass drivers and a 4B on the mid/tweets.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 14 Mar 2012, 06:09 pm
Hi Soundgame

I will have the prototypes there but it will probably be a static display as the newer woofers have not showed up yet. 

As for drive I would say minimum would be a 3-channel 9B per side and option would be a 6B per side - all out if one has a huge room and listens loudly I would say a 7B on the bass drivers and a 4B on the mid/tweets.

james

Okay James - thanks for the response.  Good to get a little insight into what those babies will take.  :thumb:

I can't make the Montreal show but will be at TAVES in Toronto, in late September.  Hopefully, you might display a working final model there that I can hear or feel for that matter.  Cheers.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 21 Mar 2012, 11:49 am
Just read the press release on the new Axiom speaker, which appears to be an active DSP crossover design with both front and rear facing drivers (additional tweeters + mids in the rear).  It needs four matched amplifiers, with the DSP box plugging in between the pre-amplifier and amplifiers.  More noteworthy is the price, at $3760 (including delivery in Canada and U.S.) - Wow! 

My understanding is that this speaker will be showing with Bryston amplification at the Montreal Son & Image Show this week. 

Apart from the rear facing drivers - how much different is this design than the Model T and what does the Model T aspire to achieve that this speaker may not quite attain?

http://www.soundstage.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=723&catid=14&Itemid=43 (http://www.soundstage.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=723&catid=14&Itemid=43)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: larevoj on 31 Mar 2012, 02:36 pm
It looks very similar too...  :?

(http://www.soundstage.com/images/stories/news/201203_axiom.jpg)

Latest:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=57859)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Mar 2012, 02:45 pm
Hi folks

No the Model T is a lot different than Axioms new speaker. I admire where they are doing though as they are pushing the boundaries of optimzing power response into a normal listening room.

The Model T is different in a number of ways:

1. Acoustic suspension not ported
2. 8 inch woofers not 6.5
3. No rear drivers
4. No passive crossovers

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 31 Mar 2012, 05:07 pm
Thanks for sharing these differences james.  I thought the new Axiom Omni was an active crossover DSp design with a separate box active crossover?  Why would it have passive crossover parts?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Mar 2012, 07:32 pm
Thanks for sharing these differences james.  I thought the new Axiom Omni was an active crossover DSp design with a separate box active crossover?  Why would it have passive crossover parts?

The DSP just divides what frequencies, roll offs  and signal amplitudes are sent to the rear drivers and the front drivers. The Internal crossovers on the front and rear are passive.

james.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: larevoj on 1 Apr 2012, 05:04 pm
Hi James, all combined four points below would make a huge diff particular point 1 and 4.  :thumb:

On rear drivers... wouldn't it help throw a bigger soundstage/image?

Hi folks

No the Model T is a lot different than Axioms new speaker. I admire where they are doing though as they are pushing the boundaries of optimzing power response into a normal listening room.

The Model T is different in a number of ways:

1. Acoustic suspension not ported
2. 8 inch woofers not 6.5
3. No rear drivers
4. No passive crossovers

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Apr 2012, 02:27 pm
Hi James, all combined four points below would make a huge diff particular point 1 and 4.  :thumb:

On rear drivers... wouldn't it help throw a bigger soundstage/image?

Hi,

You bring up an interesting point as for many years designers have tried to replicate a 'virtual' point source with the many speaker types out there.  The concept was if you could produce a radiation field in all directions equally you would have a radiation patter much like what occurs when a real instrument is played in real space.

The problem is that omni-directional speakers do have issues with interference of the sound waves in most typical listening rooms due to the many early reflections and standing wave problems that occur based on all the surfaces near the speaker.  The dipole speaker was an example of a speaker which tried to provide a wide polar response but generally getting a very specific image was tough due to the rear wave reflections causing comb-filtering effects.  Then speakers that were Bi-polar rather then di-polar appeared but again solid images at the correct size proved problematic.

So at this point Axiom is attempting to build a loudspeaker that can specifically control the rear wave conditions independently from the front radiation pattern by using a DSP.  It will be interesting to try them in my listening room against the Model T's and see what I think.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 2 Apr 2012, 02:36 pm
It looks very similar too...  :?

(http://www.soundstage.com/images/stories/news/201203_axiom.jpg)

James - looking close at the drivers in these images - apart from the size of the LF drivers, which you mentioned were 8" vs. 6.5" in the Axiom, I do see that the voicecoils in both the MF and LF drivers appear to be larger in diameter in the Model T vs the standard Axiom drivers.  Would you know and be able to explain what a larger diameter voicecoil provides vs. a smaller one?  I would guess the larger diameter would have also have a longer wire length in the coil, thus increasing the potential power capacity but am not sure.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JRace on 2 Apr 2012, 02:41 pm
Where can you see the vc's?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 2 Apr 2012, 02:44 pm
Where can you see the vc's?

I'm looking at the diameter of the dust caps actually on the MF and LF drivers in the pics above with the Model T vs the new Axiom Omni.  Recognizing that the Model T has larger diameter LF cones - the space around the dust caps on the Model T are clearly LESS for both MF and LF; therefore, I'm making an assumption that this implies a larger diameter voicecoil, since dust caps will usually sit on top of that central opening in the voicecoil.  Make sense. :?:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Apr 2012, 02:59 pm
James - looking close at the drivers in these images - apart from the size of the LF drivers, which you mentioned were 8" vs. 6.5" in the Axiom, I do see that the voicecoils in both the MF and LF drivers appear to be larger in diameter in the Model T vs the standard Axiom drivers.  Would you know and be able to explain what a larger diameter voicecoil provides vs. a smaller one?  I would guess the larger diameter would have also have a longer wire length in the coil, thus increasing the potential power capacity but am not sure.

You can not really tell from the dust cap the type of coil used. 

For instance one of the concerns I had with the earlier version of the Model T was I did not feel the bass response had the transient speed I felt it should have. At the time we were using the 8 inch woofer cones from the Axiom subs. So we redesigned the voice coils and also reduced the mass of the cone by 1/2 and all seems better now. 

This Model T really is starting to look like a custom speaker in many ways and one of the advantages of working with Axiom is they manufacture their own drivers so off the shelf restrictions are not a problem.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 2 Apr 2012, 03:18 pm
You can not really tell from the dust cap the type of coil used. 

For instance one of the concerns I had with the earlier version of the Model T was I did not feel the bass response had the transient speed I felt it should have. At the time we were using the 8 inch woofer cones from the Axiom subs. So we redesigned the voice coils and also reduced the mass of the cone by 1/2 and all seems better now. 

This Model T really is starting to look like a custom speaker in many ways and one of the advantages of working with Axiom is they manufacture their own drivers so off the shelf restrictions are not a problem.

james

Okay James - so you now have a working model you're testing with the lighter cones (modified sub-woofer drivers)?  Do you think you've got what you were looking for or are there still some further tweaks you're planning next?  How close are you to your vision for this speaker?

The big question is - what is it going to take to put something like this in production? 

Are the pics on this thread and at the recent Son&Image show the latest version - with the 1/2 mass drivers? 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Apr 2012, 03:35 pm
Okay James - so you now have a working model you're testing with the lighter cones (modified sub-woofer drivers)?  Do you think you've got what you were looking for or are there still some further tweaks you're planning next?  How close are you to your vision for this speaker?

The big question is - what is it going to take to put something like this in production? 

Are the pics on this thread and at the recent Son&Image show the latest version - with the 1/2 mass drivers?

Still some tweaks on the new woofers and should have them in my room in another week or so - if all is OK I guess I will have to decide if I offer them for sale :scratch: :scratch:.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 2 Apr 2012, 03:46 pm
Look forward to hearing about how those final tweaks go - thanks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Ron D on 2 Apr 2012, 04:20 pm
"Offer them for sale"...

initiating a production run or selling the current "one of" pair?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 2 Apr 2012, 04:37 pm
"Offer them for sale"...

initiating a production run or selling the current "one of" pair?

Ron D - James had said the one model is for himself, for reference purposes in testing Bryston products but it's the production for consumers that still remains the question.  No decision on the latter has been made but the former is a definite.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Apr 2012, 04:38 pm
"Offer them for sale"...

initiating a production run or selling the current "one of" pair?

Hi Ron,

Offering them for sale with some limited production might be something to consider - not sure I want to get into the speaker business :duh:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 2 Apr 2012, 04:46 pm
Hi Ron,

Offering them for sale with some limited production might be something to consider - not sure I want to get into the speaker business :duh:

james

I'm sensing that the value was in the learning experience not in it being a profitable venture - a labour of love, as well?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Apr 2012, 04:49 pm
I'm sensing that the value was in the learning experience not in it being a profitable venture - a labour of love, as well?

Yes good point and knowing I have a speaker that does not lie given current technologies.  Also there may be a more universal Bryston DSP based - electronic crossover that could evolve out of this.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 2 Apr 2012, 05:42 pm
Yes good point and knowing I have a speaker that does not lie given current technologies.  Also there may be a more universal Bryston DSP based - electronic crossover that could evolve out of this.

james

Winning endeavor I would say, all round.   :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: larevoj on 4 Apr 2012, 01:43 am
Hi James,

You are in better position to decide then any of us here!  :D

Whatever it is PLEASE do not rush...since its Bryston's first attempt I would rather wait for years on a well built, designed, crafted, and reference speaker...and even if its for a short run it will be one that would wow the world.  :thumb:



Hi Ron,

Offering them for sale with some limited production might be something to consider - not sure I want to get into the speaker business :duh:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 May 2012, 01:28 pm
Hi Folks,

The quest continues - latest setup with the Model T and the latest woofers and DSP crossover. :duh:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=62238)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Anonamemouse on 3 May 2012, 02:08 pm
Looks like something I could live with as well!
 :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 4 May 2012, 12:12 am
James,
Are those Axiom subs?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 May 2012, 12:35 am
James,
Are those Axiom subs?

Yes the EP 500's

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: milford3 on 4 May 2012, 12:45 am
Would love to hear your speakers with just one EP800v3 sub.


http://www.axiomaudio.com/ep800
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 4 May 2012, 01:03 am
Would love to hear your speakers with just one EP800v3 sub.


http://www.axiomaudio.com/ep800

Two would be that much nicer - I'm sure.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 4 May 2012, 01:05 am
Hi Folks,

The quest continues - latest setup with the Model T and the latest woofers and DSP crossover. :duh:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=62238)


james

Hey James, with the Model T (revised) now in the house - are the Maggies on the truck home?  Was your experimentation with the tri-centre successful and something that you will be working with Magnepan on adapting for the SP2's that came in on trade in?  By the way, how many SP2's do you have on the refurbished line?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 May 2012, 02:23 am
I am keeping the Maggie's as well.  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 May 2012, 02:26 am
Would love to hear your speakers with just one EP800v3 sub.


http://www.axiomaudio.com/ep800

Hi

I prefer 2 subs each with a 12 inch woofer vs 1 sub with two 12 inch woofers as it loads the room better.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 4 May 2012, 02:56 am
Hi

I prefer 2 subs each with a 12 inch woofer vs 1 sub with two 12 inch woofers as it loads the room better.

James
James, It would be nice if you could compare them with LFR1100 to see which one would give you the best response in the room.I think the model T would be a better choice.
Are you using the 10B crossover for the subs?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 May 2012, 03:54 am
Hi

Yes the 10B from 40hz down.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 May 2012, 05:53 pm
Trying Model T in room 2 - no subs running.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=62347)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=62348)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 7 May 2012, 09:26 pm
James,
I like this set up with 2x6BSST2.(if I am not wrong)
How do like them without subs?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 May 2012, 10:16 pm
Yes the 6B's are perfect - probably a little overkill on the tweets.

I wanted to try them in a smaller room (12/18 - long wall).  The nice thing about acoustic suspension speakers (sealed box - no ports) is they are really well controlled so it does not overload even a small room with low end which is usually the case with big speakers in small rooms. 

I am getting abour 25Hz at the low end so with the M80's I liked having the subs engaged but with the Model T - not needed!!!

Having fun :thumb:

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 7 May 2012, 11:09 pm
Yes the 6B's are perfect - probably a little overkill on the tweets.

I wanted to try them in a smaller room (12/18 - long wall).  The nice thing about acoustic suspension speakers (sealed box - no ports) is they are really well controlled so it does not overload even a small room with low end which is usually the case with big speakers in small rooms. 

I am getting abour 25Hz at the low end so with the M80's I liked having the subs engaged but with the Model T - not needed!!!

Having fun :thumb:

james
Sounds great :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 May 2012, 07:14 pm
Hi Folks,

Here is the latest anechoic camber 'Listening Window' and 'Power Response' measurements of the Model T.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=62405)


james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 9 May 2012, 09:29 pm
Hi James,

If I'm reading correctly, it looks liKe 30 Hz to 17 KHz +/- 3db is the frequency response.  In room, you would probably loose 2Kz or so off the top, due to absorbtion, so how does that impact their airiness, if it does, at all?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 May 2012, 09:48 pm
Hi James,

If I'm reading correctly, it looks liKe 30 Hz to 17 KHz +/- 3db is the frequency response.  In room, you would probably loose 2Kz or so off the top, due to absorbtion, so how does that impact their airiness, if it does, at all?

Hi,

Sounds very airy and spacious - the total power response is far more important that the direct on axis. That's why we feel the power response is more representative of overall frequency balance in a room.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 11 May 2012, 02:20 am
Here's the M80 v3 test results:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=62450)

This seems to highlight what I saw in the Model T response - the M80 does not have the rapid roll-off above 17kHz - any reason why the Model T does?  Though this may be a mut point given that you say the perceived extension in the treble is all there.

On the bass response, the M80 is definitely lumpier as you get below 60 Hz and drops off faster, which would make it likely less anchored in the bass frequencies then the Model T.  Though I'm sure with the active crossover in the Model T, transients are also that much more fast and impactful.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 May 2012, 10:40 am
Hi SoundGame,

Yes the nice thing about the DSP crossover is you can really fine tune the frequency response to a much greater degree than with passive networks and so far this result sounds the most balanced.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: larevoj on 12 May 2012, 12:14 am
Measurements are only indicators.

There are speakers that measures impressively on paper but doesn't sound as good - The real deal is to listen it in a room you are familiar with and make your own conclusion.  :thumb:

Hi SoundGame,

Yes the nice thing about the DSP crossover is you can really fine tune the frequency response to a much greater degree than with passive networks and so far this result sounds the most balanced.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 May 2012, 01:29 am
I think measurments are idicative of performance :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 12 May 2012, 02:55 am
Wonderful speakers, James.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: larevoj on 12 May 2012, 06:27 am
..."The Demo IS Everything"  :thumb:

I think measurments are idicative of performance :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 May 2012, 09:35 am
..."The Demo IS Everything"  :thumb:

Touché -   :lol:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: larevoj on 12 May 2012, 10:15 am
 :lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 12 May 2012, 02:03 pm
 :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Sasha on 12 May 2012, 04:25 pm
I think measurments are idicative of performance :thumb:

james

Very much in line with my experience, for this reason I do demo of components that measure well and more or less ignore those that do not.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 13 May 2012, 07:26 pm
Very much in line with my experience, for this reason I do demo of components that measure well and more or less ignore those that do not.

That makes sense...
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 May 2012, 06:12 pm
Hi Folks,

So we are going to build a Passive version of the Model T and do some listening comparisons.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Sasha on 16 May 2012, 06:28 pm
Hi Folks,

So we are going to build a Passive version of the Model T and do some listening comparisons.

james
I have to ask why? Just curiosity or DSP cross-over did not fully meet the expectations?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 May 2012, 06:49 pm
I have to ask why? Just curiosity or DSP cross-over did not fully meet the expectations?

Hi Sasha,

No it worked really well but we realized that most customers would be intimidated :duh: by active systems so my hope is I can design something that would come close in performance but with a lot less complexity. 

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 17 May 2012, 01:40 am
Hi James,
How about use passive crossover for highs and keep the bass drivers active?
I know how people are when you tell them you need extra amp they runaway.
But you did try the best you could. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 May 2012, 01:49 am
Hi James,
How about use passive crossover for highs and keep the bass drivers active?
I know how people are when you tell them you need extra amp they runaway.
But you did try the best you could. :thumb:

Hi prelude

I think I would offer both models - fully active or passive.  :thumb: - customer can decide what works best for them.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 17 May 2012, 02:25 am
Hi prelude

I think I would offer both models - fully active or passive.  :thumb: - customer can decide what works best for them.

James
Perfect,then we could call it T-A1 and  T-P1. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 May 2012, 03:05 am
Model T with Black drivers:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=62775)



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=62736)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=62776)



james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 18 May 2012, 04:07 am
They look pretty nice James  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 18 May 2012, 02:01 pm
Looks great, more traditional I think is the term I am looking for . Likely look wicked in bleached maple veneer wrap. James any changes to the drivers other than the colour?

Cheers,
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 May 2012, 02:35 pm
Looks great, more traditional I think is the term I am looking for . Likely look wicked in bleached maple veneer wrap. James any changes to the drivers other than the colour?

Cheers,

The drivers are custom made for the cabinet but the silver and black are identical.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 20 May 2012, 04:07 am
Those look very cool, James.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Vipers on 22 May 2012, 11:44 am
They really do look the business James, I would love to have a listen, will they have covers to keep enquisitive fingers away from all those drivers, maybe magnetic like the new PMC Twenty range so that you can keep the clean lines when the covers come off?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 May 2012, 02:31 pm
They really do look the business James, I would love to have a listen, will they have covers to keep enquisitive fingers away from all those drivers, maybe magnetic like the new PMC Twenty range so that you can keep the clean lines when the covers come off?

Hi Vipers,

Yes we are working on a 2 piece magnetic grill.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 22 May 2012, 02:45 pm
Hi Vipers,

Yes we are working on a 2 piece magnetic grill.

james

Excellent! Love the M80 magnetic grills.

Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: milford3 on 22 May 2012, 03:05 pm
FYI:  M80 v3.  The V3(version) stands for three improvements. magnetic grill, better crossover, and metal caps instead of cloth caps.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 22 May 2012, 03:09 pm
James,
Is this going to be marketed and did you ditch the active idea?  I think the active speaker will be too costly and complicated for the average audiophile.
They do look nice,
Bill
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 May 2012, 04:19 pm
James,
Is this going to be marketed and did you ditch the active idea?  I think the active speaker will be too costly and complicated for the average audiophile.
They do look nice,
Bill

Hi Bill,

I think the Active version is something I would still do - there are those that will appreciate what an active system can do.  I agree though that the 'complication factor' in an active setup can be very confusing and the chances of getting it wrong are certainly common.

So I was thinking that a Passive version may be viable given all this work we have done. It would certainly be easier to market and if I can get the passive version to  sound close to the Active I think it could be a great product. I am having  a pair built now and will give it a listen in comparison.

james


 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Sasha on 22 May 2012, 04:25 pm
there are those that will appreciate what an active system can do.
Very much so  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 22 May 2012, 04:55 pm
May I respectfully suggest an option for dark coloured woofers?


James,,can I get a small comission now that you're using MY IDEA!!! LOL!!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 22 May 2012, 05:59 pm
Hi Bill,

I think the Active version is something I would still do - there are those that will appreciate what an active system can do.  I agree though that the 'complication factor' in an active setup can be very confusing and the chances of getting it wrong are certainly common.

So I was thinking that a Passive version may be viable given all this work we have done. It would certainly be easier to market and if I can get the passive version to  sound close to the Active I think it could be a great product. I am having  a pair built now and will give it a listen in comparison.

james

James, are you considering the possibility of doing the passive version and using Axiom's DSP?

Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 May 2012, 06:04 pm
James, are you considering the possibility of doing the passive version and using Axiom's DSP?

Dave

Hi Dave,

No thoughts there yet - too early - I have to be sure the Passive is close enough in performance to the Active version before I move forward with the idea.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 26 May 2012, 03:33 am
Hey James, are you really going to put these out on the market?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 May 2012, 11:59 am
Hey James, are you really going to put these out on the market?

Hi Dave,

It looks that way - I am getting lots of interest.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 26 May 2012, 02:05 pm
WOW,

These speakers look nice.

I would Definitely be interested in a passive pair. I would love to hear them with my 28b's.

Where do i sign up.

James, how many binding posts on the passive. One for low, one for mid , one for high?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 May 2012, 02:17 pm
WOW,

These speakers look nice.

I would Definitely be interested in a passive pair. I would love to hear them with my 28b's.

Where do i sign up.

James, how many binding posts on the passive. One for low, one for mid , one for high?

Hi - yes the Passive version would have 3 sets of inputs so you can tri-wire if you wish.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: eugenius on 26 May 2012, 08:05 pm
Hmm, those look like Visaton TIW 200XS bass drivers, one of the best 8inch subwoofers on the market ... what are the other drivers?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 May 2012, 08:08 pm
Hmm, those look like Visaton TIW 200XS bass drivers, one of the best 8inch subwoofers on the market ... what are the other drivers?

Hi - they are all custom drivers so not Vistron.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 27 May 2012, 12:40 am
Hi Dave,

It looks that way - I am getting lots of interest.

james



Very cool. I hope to hear them @ CES 2013! :D
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 12 Jul 2012, 06:20 pm
James, I have a couple of questions about the Model P I hope you can answer.

One of the thiings I like about the Axiom M80 is that it does not let any frequency range dominate.

It would appear that the Model P, like the M80 will have two tweeters and midrange drivers, but three, instead of two, woofers, each of which is larger than those used in the M80.

My questions are:

1. Does the Model P have a low end bias because of the larger and extra woofer?

2. If it doesn't have a low end bias, how is this achieved.

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jul 2012, 06:26 pm
James, I have a couple of questions about the Model P I hope you can answer.

One of the thiings I like about the Axiom M80 is that it does not let any frequency range dominate.

It would appear that the Model P, like the M80 will have two tweeters and midrange drivers, but three, instead of two, woofers, each of which is larger than those used in the M80.

My questions are:

1. Does the Model P have a low end bias because of the larger and extra woofer?

2. If it doesn't have a low end bias, how is this achieved.

Many thanks.

Hi Dave,

Correction - I am back to calling it the Model T  :duh:  -  which will come in 3 versions 1. Passive, 2 Passive Signature and 3. Active.

1. No the extra woofer really helps with power handling and lower distortion and efficiency.  I want these to be capable of huge dynamics - like in real     life!!!

2. Bigger box therefore can go lower.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 12 Jul 2012, 06:40 pm
Hi Dave,

Correction - I am back to calling it the Model T  :duh:  -  which will come in 3 versions 1. Passive, 2 Passive Signature and 3. Active.

1. No the extra woofer really helps with power handling and lower distortion and efficiency.  I want these to be capable of huge dynamics - like in real     life!!!

2. Bigger box therefore can go lower.

james

Thanks, James. I'm glad you've gone back to the Model T name. It has overtones of getting back to basics (like Ford's Model T), while giving you well deserved credit for the speaker's creation.

The Passive Signature needs explaining, I believe, to readers of this thread who may not have heard about it before.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jul 2012, 06:43 pm
Thanks, James. I'm glad you've gone back to the Model T name. It has overtones of getting back to basics (like Ford's Model T), while giving you well deserved credit for the speaker's creation.

The Passive Signature needs explaining, I believe, to readers of this thread who may not have heard about it before.

The Passive Signature will have an external Passive Crossover so it will be easier to move to the Active later if the customer wishes.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jul 2012, 06:47 pm
Here's a pic of it with the new Black Drivers.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=64964)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=64965)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 12 Jul 2012, 08:08 pm
Here's a pic of it with the new Black Drivers.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=64964)




(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=64965)

Are these pictures of the Passive version? If so, for some reason I thought it would be ported front and back like the M80. Is it ported or closed box?

BTW, I think the black drivers look the best of what you've shown so far.

Another question, James.

Based on its testing of its speakers, Axiom finds that its speakers perform the same with or without spikes. I have found no difference in the sound of mine without spikes. Is this true as well for the Model T?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: milford3 on 12 Jul 2012, 08:12 pm
DaveNote, you are one astute listener when it comes the  M80v3's.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 12 Jul 2012, 08:34 pm
DaveNote, you are one astute listener when it comes the the M80v3's.

Thanks, but that may be a compliment I don't deserve. I do listen closely, but that is not enough. First, I have old ears, which simply can't hear what younger ones do. Second, I often have difficulty pinning down exactly what it is I am hearing. Finally, I don't have others in my household who can or will do a double check on the differences I think I hear. So all I can say is that I hear what I hear, which may or may not be valid to third parties.

Better and more experienced listeners than I have a high regard for the M80s. I agree with their assessment. I'm interested in the Model T because it has been described to me by one who knows both speakers well as sounding like the M80 on steroids.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: milford3 on 12 Jul 2012, 08:41 pm
The model T, when it is available, will tell the audio world how good Axiom drivers are.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jul 2012, 09:01 pm
The model T, when it is available, will tell the audio world how good Axiom drivers are.

Actually the drivers are only part of the equation. The drivers, crossover, cabinet etc all have to be considered if good power response is the goal. We take 64 measurents around the speaker both vertically and horizontally.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jul 2012, 09:03 pm
Are these pictures of the Passive version? If so, for some reason I thought it would be ported front and back like the M80. Is it ported or closed box?

BTW, I think the black drivers look the best of what you've shown so far.

Another question, James.

Based on its testing of its speakers, Axiom finds that its speakers perform the same with or without spikes. I have found no difference in the sound of mine without spikes. Is this true as well for the Model T?

Hi Dave

Yes the speakers are ported at the top on the back.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jul 2012, 04:17 pm
Hi Folks,

External Passive Crossover for the Model T Signature Series  :thumb:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65477)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65478)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: rmurray on 20 Jul 2012, 05:05 pm
  James ,what do you think the price will be approximately ( especially the passive version)? :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 20 Jul 2012, 05:22 pm
  Are the new black drivers Axiom or did you go for another brand like Scanspeak? :) Will the Bryston dealers , (Vancouver) be handling these?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jul 2012, 05:38 pm
  Are the new black drivers Axiom or did you go for another brand like Scanspeak? :) Will the Bryston dealers , (Vancouver) be handling these?

Hi

We are using the Black diaphragms and they are custom to the Model T and designed by Ian and Andrew at Axiom for us.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jul 2012, 05:42 pm
  James ,what do you think the price will be approximately ( especially the passive version)? :thumb:

Hi,

Initially $6,495 US/Canadian suggested list per pair -  passive version.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jul 2012, 05:47 pm
I have a preliminary brochure on the Passive speakers if anyone wants to see and comment email me @.

jamestanner@bryston.com

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 20 Jul 2012, 06:08 pm
Hi,

Initially $6,495 US/Canadian suggested list per pair -  passive version.

james

Excellent! I'm saving up.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Alpha10 on 20 Jul 2012, 07:59 pm
Hi,

Initially $6,495 US/Canadian suggested list per pair -  passive version.

james

James, will the passive versions need more than a 4BSST2 to drive them fully?

Cheers
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 20 Jul 2012, 09:05 pm
hi James,

What would be the advised setup, already owning 2 28b's? Active, passive, and what configuration. Stereo that is?
(and a 10bsub with a single subwoofer...)

Marius

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jul 2012, 09:33 pm
James, will the passive versions need more than a 4BSST2 to drive them fully?

Cheers

They are 91dB efficient so a 4B is fine.  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jul 2012, 09:35 pm
hi James,

What would be the advised setup, already owning 2 28b's? Active, passive, and what configuration. Stereo that is?
(and a 10bsub with a single subwoofer...)

Marius

I would go with the Signature version and use the 28s. No need for a sub - these go to 25Hz in my room. 

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 20 Jul 2012, 09:49 pm
Hi James.
Thanks, got the brochure. If I go for the signatures, and use the 28b's, how would I have to use the crossover? I see separate in-and outputs. Do they need separate amps?

Marius

btw,
my sub goes a bit further than the 25hz model T delivers. Would it still be possible to use it with the 10bsub?

I would go with the Signature version and use the 28s. No need for a sub - these go to 25Hz in my room. 

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jul 2012, 09:59 pm
Hi James.
Thanks, got the brochure. If I go for the signatures, and use the 28b's, how would I have to use the crossover? I see separate in-and outputs. Do they need separate amps?

Marius

btw,
my sub goes a bit further than the 25hz model T delivers. Would it still be possible to use it with the 10bsub?

Hi Marius

Yes you can use a single amp on the input with a bridging link on the crossover. Yes you could use the 10B and crossover at 40Hz.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 20 Jul 2012, 10:14 pm
I would go with the Signature version and use the 28s. No need for a sub - these go to 25Hz in my room. 

James

The Axiom M80 specs are:

Freq Resp +/-3dB (Hz):   
34 Hz – 20 kHz

And

Freq Resp +3dB- 9dB (Hz):   
25 Hz – 20 kHz

James, using the same +/- 3dB, and +3dB - 9dB, what at the Model T Passive specs?

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 21 Jul 2012, 12:08 am
I just looked over the brochure - very nice James!

........and how do they sound?

Bill
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2012, 12:45 am
The Axiom M80 specs are:

Freq Resp +/-3dB (Hz):   
34 Hz – 20 kHz

And

Freq Resp +3dB- 9dB (Hz):   
25 Hz – 20 kHz

James, using the same +/- 3dB, and +3dB - 9dB, what at the Model T Passive specs?

Hi Dave

I will have to ask Ian - I just know in my room I get 25 Hz without a problem.  I do not think the specs though tell the difference as so much of the differences are in dynamic capability through the same frequency range.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 21 Jul 2012, 01:09 am
Ok, I am not sure whether I understand this correctly.
I am not knowledgeable about crossovers. Or am I making this way too complicated.

So for the signature series each speaker would come with a separate crossover box.

I have the 28b's.

Could I hook it up this way. Or is there a better way.

For each speaker
  Put one output from the 28b to the external passive crossover input woofer.
  Put the other output from the 28b to the external passive crossover input Midrange.

  In this case where would I put the bridge between the Mid and tweeter on the external passive crossover.
  Do i put the bridge on the external passive crossover input, or the output.

  Then I could put the speaker cable from the external passive crossover output woofer to the speaker woofer.
  Then I could put the speaker cable from the external passive crossover output Midrange to the speaker 
    midrange.

  Then do one of the following for the tweeter.
    A third cable from the external passive crossover output tweeter to the speaker tweeter.
    Or, a bridge from the midrange to the tweeter on the speaker itself.     
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 21 Jul 2012, 01:18 am
Hi Dave

I will have to ask Ian - I just know in my room I get 25 Hz without a problem.  I do not think the specs though tell the difference as so much of the differences are in dynamic capability through the same frequency range.

james

Thanks James. I hope Ian can give us the numbers. I know that they do not tell the whole story, but having them will help a bit given what I know about the M80 and how it sounds in my room.

This may be yet another Bryston product I might buy sight unseen, so the more I know, the easier it will be justify making the jump, as I did with the BDP-1, BDA-1, and Torus C15 (when Bryston was marketing Torus).
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2012, 02:30 am
Ok, I am not sure whether I understand this correctly.
I am not knowledgeable about crossovers. Or am I making this way too complicated.

So for the signature series each speaker would come with a separate crossover box.

I have the 28b's.

Could I hook it up this way. Or is there a better way.

For each speaker
  Put one output from the 28b to the external passive crossover input woofer.
  Put the other output from the 28b to the external passive crossover input Midrange.

  In this case where would I put the bridge between the Mid and tweeter on the external passive crossover.
  Do i put the bridge on the external passive crossover input, or the output.

  Then I could put the speaker cable from the external passive crossover output woofer to the speaker woofer.
  Then I could put the speaker cable from the external passive crossover output Midrange to the speaker 
    midrange.

  Then do one of the following for the tweeter.
    A third cable from the external passive crossover output tweeter to the speaker tweeter.
    Or, a bridge from the midrange to the tweeter on the speaker itself.   

The Bryston Model T loudspeaker will be available in 3 versions:

1. Passive 3-way with internal crossover

2. Passive 3-way with external crossover

3. Active 3-way with external Bryston DSP Electronic crossover

So with the Passive version and the Signature version the input can use 3 pairs of wires or with bridging pins one wire.  The outputs then will use 3 wires to feed the 3 sets of inputs on the back of the speaker.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 21 Jul 2012, 11:45 am
HI James,

Could you please explain some more about the differences between crossovers in

2. Passive 3-way with external crossover

3. Active 3-way with external Bryston DSP Electronic crossover ?

And what the latter DSP Electronic does differently from the 'standard' external crossover?

Thanks,
Marius


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2012, 12:07 pm
HI James,

Could you please explain some more about the differences between crossovers in

2. Passive 3-way with external crossover

3. Active 3-way with external Bryston DSP Electronic crossover ?

And what the latter DSP Electronic does differently from the 'standard' external crossover?

Thanks,
Marius

Hi Marius,

The 3 way Signature version external crossover  is PASSIVE but the DSP is Active - so the DSP goes in between the preamp and the 3 amplifiers whereas the Passive outboard crossover goes between the single Amplifier and the Speaker.

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Vipers on 21 Jul 2012, 12:33 pm
Wow, James you have certianly been a busy boy :)

So it is official, the Model T is definately coming to retail?

When are we likely to see them? Will they be coming to the UK? I'd be very keen to grab a pair for demo :wink:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 21 Jul 2012, 12:36 pm
O right, that's very clear  :duh:
sorry for that...

since we're on this topic: there are no other 'tone control' or crossover-settings options/differences between them? A la 10bsub, to taylor them to the auditorium? That would be a rather important aspect for selection on this side..

Marius

Hi Marius,

The 3 way Signature version external crossover  is PASSIVE but the DSP is Active - so the DSP goes in between the preamp and the 3 amplifiers whereas the Passive outboard crossover goes between the single Amplifier and the Speaker.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2012, 01:16 pm
O right, that's very clear  :duh:
sorry for that...

since we're on this topic: there are no other 'tone control' or crossover-settings options/differences between them? A la 10bsub, to taylor them to the auditorium? That would be a rather important aspect for selection on this side..

Marius

Hi Marius,

A 10B would not work as the new Bryston DSP crossover is designed specifically for the Model T Active.  When you design a speaker the Crossover whether Passive or Active has to be considered as a part of the whole - assuming excellent Power response (smooth and predictable ''on and off' axis polar response) from the speaker is your goal.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2012, 01:20 pm
Wow, James you have certianly been a busy boy :)

So it is official, the Model T is definately coming to retail?

When are we likely to see them? Will they be coming to the UK? I'd be very keen to grab a pair for demo :wink:

Hi Paul,

Yes busy it is  :duh:

I have wanted to do this for a long time and decided the days are getting shorter so time to act  :thumb:

Anyway I am in it with both feet - many tell me I will regret it -  :duh: - we shall see I guess. :scratch:

Building 100 units now and hope to have production ready to ship in September.


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 21 Jul 2012, 01:24 pm
James,,I'm sure you will not regret it. I think we're witnessing the birth of ANOTHER fantastic Bryston  product.

p.s.Will there be a piano black??
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2012, 01:50 pm
James,,I'm sure you will not regret it. I think we're witnessing the birth of ANOTHER fantastic Bryston  product.

p.s.Will there be a piano black??

It can be ordered that way but the pricing scares me !!!!!!

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 21 Jul 2012, 02:28 pm
Hi James,
Congratulation on a new product. :thumb:
So,if I am not wrong.Is this year Bryston will be the only brand in the room at Toronto show and the passive one will be in display?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Vipers on 21 Jul 2012, 03:09 pm
Hi James,

I'm sure you have nothing to worry about, I can't wait to get some early feedback once they are in customers systems, I'm sure that they will be very nervous times for you when the first reviewers get their hands on your babies but imagine how proud you'll be when the glowing reviews start flowing in :)

I'm just hoping I get to hear them over here in the UK, it has been fascinating following there development.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2012, 03:14 pm
Hi James,
Congratulation on a new product. :thumb:
So,if I am not wrong.Is this year Bryston will be the only brand in the room at Toronto show and the passive one will be in display?

Correct :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 21 Jul 2012, 03:35 pm
Boy my trigger finger is itchy...

What color are the speakers on page 21 of this thread, Natural Cherry or Boston Cherry.

Is the cherry color going to be available in the first batch you produce.

If these were to be used in a 5.1 systems, what center speaker would closely match these.
 Would the axiom VP180 be a good match.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Vipers on 21 Jul 2012, 03:42 pm
Boy my trigger finger is itchy...

What color are the speakers on page 21 of this thread, Natural Cherry or Boston Cherry.

I have to say, that intrigued me, what is the difference between Natural and Boston Cherry? I would love to see the Gloss black though, over here PMC do gloss black on their new twenty series for an extra 10% which is very fair and is proving extremely popular.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 21 Jul 2012, 04:47 pm
Thanks James,

So if i get it right, the Signature passive with the crossover allows me to still use the 10bsub/subwoofer, and the active version does not.

What would be the configuration (amp wise) in the active version? And do you have a pricing already for those versions?

Marius

Hi Marius,

A 10B would not work as the new Bryston DSP crossover is designed specifically for the Model T Active.  When you design a speaker the Crossover whether Passive or Active has to be considered as a part of the whole - assuming excellent Power response (smooth and predictable ''on and off' axis polar response) from the speaker is your goal.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2012, 05:06 pm
Boy my trigger finger is itchy...

What color are the speakers on page 21 of this thread, Natural Cherry or Boston Cherry.

Is the cherry color going to be available in the first batch you produce.

If these were to be used in a 5.1 systems, what center speaker would closely match these.
 Would the axiom VP180 be a good match.

Hi

That's the natural cherry - Boston cherry looks like Rosewood

We will be releasing a matching Center, surrounds and powered Sub as well in October. it is very very important that the Surrounds and Center have the same polar response as the front left and right speakers!

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2012, 05:08 pm
I have to say, that intrigued me, what is the difference between Natural and Boston Cherry? I would love to see the Gloss black though, over here PMC do gloss black on their new twenty series for an extra 10% which is very fair and is proving extremely popular.

Hi Vipers

Yes we are going to be able to offer more exotic finishes but not for a while.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2012, 05:10 pm
Thanks James,

So if i get it right, the Signature passive with the crossover allows me to still use the 10bsub/subwoofer, and the active version does not.

What would be the configuration (amp wise) in the active version? And do you have a pricing already for those versions?

Marius

Hi Marius

So far I have used a 6B per channel and tried a 7B and 4B combo as well.

The price of the Active speaker is the same but you have to add the DSP crossover which is 3000 and 6 channels of amplification.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 21 Jul 2012, 05:23 pm
Wow, that's some heavy amping...

And the price of the signature setup is how much?

Marius

Hi Marius

So far I have used a 6B per channel and tried a 7B and 4B combo as well.

The price of the Active speaker is the same but you have to add the DSP crossover which is 3000 and 6 channels of amplification.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2012, 05:30 pm
Wow, that's some heavy amping...

And the price of the signature setup is how much?

Marius

Signature is the same price for the speaker and 1000 extra for the outboard Passive crossovers. Then you can upgrade to the Actice system going foward if you want by replacing the Passive crossovers with the DSP Active crossover and 4  more amplifier channels :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 21 Jul 2012, 08:22 pm
 :thumb: indeed!
Thank You!
Marius
Signature is the same price for the speaker and 1000 extra for the outboard Passive crossovers. Then you can upgrade to the Actice system going foward if you want by replacing the Passive crossovers with the DSP Active crossover and 4  more amplifier channels :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 21 Jul 2012, 08:55 pm
James, will the speakers be @ CES?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2012, 09:24 pm
James, will the speakers be @ CES?

No because we share the room with Thiel

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 21 Jul 2012, 09:34 pm
Hi James,
Please allow me just this: is the only difference between the Signature and the standard 'passive' version the outboard crossover? The standard version T's have them inside. They would be of the same quality with the same specs I gather? Making upgradability the only reason to go for the Signature?

Greets,
Marius

 
Signature is the same price for the speaker and 1000 extra for the outboard Passive crossovers. Then you can upgrade to the Actice system going foward if you want by replacing the Passive crossovers with the DSP Active crossover and 4  more amplifier channels :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2012, 09:54 pm
Hi James,
Please allow me just this: is the only difference between the Signature and the standard 'passive' version the outboard crossover? The standard version T's have them inside. They would be of the same quality with the same specs I gather? Making upgradability the only reason to go for the Signature?

Greets,
Marius

Correct

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 21 Jul 2012, 10:12 pm
SUB,James is that correct.
If so what size transducer,what size amp,what type warranty ect.
Most subs you see have 1-3 yr warranty(excluding Thiel...10yrs).
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 21 Jul 2012, 10:16 pm
No because we share the room with Thiel

James

Ok, that's cool...
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2012, 10:25 pm
SUB,James is that correct.
If so what size transducer,what size amp,what type warranty ect.
Most subs you see have 1-3 yr warranty(excluding Thiel...10yrs).

It is going to be three 8 inch woofers  - not sure on the power rating yet. Will look like the bottom 1/2 of the Model T's

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 22 Jul 2012, 02:06 am
Hi James,

Congratulations on the progress on this product and I'm very excited to be able to experience their launch at the upcoming TAVES in Toronto this September - will be on the top of my rooms to visit! :thumb:

Do these speakers need room to breath?  In other words, could they work in a small (11 X 13 X 8 ft) room as well as a moderate sized (13 X 19 X 8ft) room?  I'm sure they are capable of pressurizing larger rooms but just wondering if they might overpower a smaller room, say when driven by a 4B?  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: rmurray on 22 Jul 2012, 03:16 am
  Very nice to hear you are going to 8 inchers on the bass :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 22 Jul 2012, 03:24 am
  James what is the plinth made from?  :scratch:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 22 Jul 2012, 10:24 am
James,

Considering your earlier remarks about the impossibility to use the 10bsub and subwoofer with the active dsp crossover, how would this setup work? Active, passive?
And do you have the freq response specs of your Sub?

Marius

It is going to be three 8 inch woofers  - not sure on the power rating yet. Will look like the bottom 1/2 of the Model T's

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jul 2012, 11:11 am
James,

Considering your earlier remarks about the impossibility to use the 10bsub and subwoofer with the active dsp crossover, how would this setup work? Active, passive?
And do you have the freq response specs of your Sub?

Marius

Hi Marius,

Still working on the powered Sub but aiming for 18 to 200 HZ range.

I think I know where the confusion is --- The 10B Sub crossover could still be used if you wanted to add a Sub to an existing Active Model T but now you would have a 4-way Active system instead of a 3-way system.  The Active version can not use the 10B on its drivers because the Active Crossover (AX-1) that goes with the Model T Active is programmed specifically for the Model T Active speakers.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jul 2012, 11:12 am
  James what is the plinth made from?  :scratch:

Same material as the speaker and they will be an Option. I am also thinking of maybe a 4 legged metal stand as well like on the Thiel 3.7's.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jul 2012, 11:18 am
Hi James,

Congratulations on the progress on this product and I'm very excited to be able to experience their launch at the upcoming TAVES in Toronto this September - will be on the top of my rooms to visit! :thumb:

Do these speakers need room to breath?  In other words, could they work in a small (11 X 13 X 8 ft) room as well as a moderate sized (13 X 19 X 8ft) room?  I'm sure they are capable of pressurizing larger rooms but just wondering if they might overpower a smaller room, say when driven by a 4B?  Any thoughts?

Hi,

I have tried them in my 3rd soundroom which is a typical bedroom (11x16x8) and so far it works fine (I use the long wall).  They are capable of a lot of low frequency extension so proper placement in a small room is important.  They have 3 ports on the rear at the top which means you need a foot or so behind them.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65574)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 22 Jul 2012, 11:27 am
James,

That's indeed what I wanted to know, adding it instead of replacing the dsp Xover. Good to know for certain now.

How would one adjust the sub to the T1's? Do they have a separate Xover, or would we have to resort to the Sp3....

Seems to be a 10bsub in this picture though ..
Marius

Hi Marius,

Still working on the powered Sub but aiming for 18 to 200 HZ range.

I think I know where the confusion is --- The 10B Sub crossover could still be used if you wanted to add a Sub to an existing Active Model T but now you would have a 4-way Active system instead of a 3-way system.  The Active version can not use the 10B on its drivers because the Active Crossover (AX-1) that goes with the Model T Active is programmed specifically for the Model T Active speakers.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jul 2012, 11:38 am
James,

That's indeed what I wanted to know, adding it instead of replacing the dsp Xover. Good to know for certain now.

How would one adjust the sub to the T1's? Do they have a separate Xover, or would we have to resort to the Sp3....

Seems to be a 10bsub in this picture though ..
Marius

Yes I was experimenting with the 10B and the Model T's just as you were saying.  In that room I prefer the Model T without the Sub.

I am thinking of two versions of the Sub - one with internal crossover and power amp and one without so you could use it with the SP3 or with a 10B and a power amp.  I was even thinking a 6 woofer tall version and a 7B would be a great Sub???

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 22 Jul 2012, 11:52 am
could only dream of that combo.... (6woofer, 7b)

a sub without internal crossover would make the owners of a 10bsub very happy. Much easier to setup. In my setup most difficult was the power difference between both amps. and we had to insert a power adjustment in the interlink to line them up properly. After that, dialing in the 10bsub was a joy and never touched them again....

just because I'm curious: could I use the 28b's for this amp-less woofer too? I mean together with them powering the main speakers?

MArius


I am thinking of two versions of the Sub - one with internal crossover and power amp and one without so you could use it with the SP3 or with a 10B and a power amp.  I was even thinking a 6 woofer tall version and a 7B would be a great Sub???

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jul 2012, 12:19 pm
could only dream of that combo.... (6woofer, 7b)

a sub without internal crossover would make the owners of a 10bsub very happy. Much easier to setup. In my setup most difficult was the power difference between both amps. and we had to insert a power adjustment in the interlink to line them up properly. After that, dialing in the 10bsub was a joy and never touched them again....

just because I'm curious: could I use the 28b's for this amp-less woofer too? I mean together with them powering the main speakers?

MArius

Sure - the idea would be any amp - assuming enough power - could be mated with the Sub.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Alpha10 on 23 Jul 2012, 12:37 pm

 and one without so you could use it with the SP3 or with a 10B and a power amp.  I was even thinking a 6 woofer tall version and a 7B would be a great Sub???

james

Now that would be interesting, a sub without crossover allowing the SP3 to do the work, very nice. Perhaps you would get renewed shouts for the much wanted 4BSST2 MONO amp  :wink:

Cheers
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: rmurray on 23 Jul 2012, 03:57 pm
  Count me in for that mono 4B idea. :bowdown: :dance:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Jul 2012, 02:44 pm
Hi Folks,

I have decided that I am going to offer all 3 versions of the Model T Speaker in Vinyl finish in order to keep the price as low as possible - I think stressing Performance first and foremost is what Bryston is all about. :thumb:  Standard finishes will be vinyl Black Ash, Natural Cherry and Boston Cherry.

So if real wood is wanted it will be considered a special order and will carry a premium (not sure yet how much).  Also the bottom Plinth will be an option.

Anyway here are some shots iof some custom finishes.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65650)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65651)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65652)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65653)
No Plinth and outboard passive crossover from Signature Series
 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 24 Jul 2012, 07:20 pm
James,

Have you had the chance to compare the Model T, against say, a PMC IBI2.

Can you comment on the differences, or will this type of information be released at a later date.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: runs10k on 24 Jul 2012, 07:38 pm
James, will Bryston dealers carry these speakers or will it be a special order from Bryston?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Jul 2012, 08:05 pm
James,

Have you had the chance to compare the Model T, against say, a PMC IBI2.

Can you comment on the differences, or will this type of information be released at a later date.

The IB2 is a GREAT speaker - hopefully the Model T will come close at a much lower price point  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Jul 2012, 08:06 pm
James, will Bryston dealers carry these speakers or will it be a special order from Bryston?

Only select Bryston dealers - not all.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Alpha10 on 24 Jul 2012, 08:10 pm
Only select Bryston dealers - not all.

james

Vipers you better get yourself to the front of the queue  :D
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spinner on 24 Jul 2012, 10:38 pm
  Good idea James. Some dealers are not what they where. :nono:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 24 Jul 2012, 10:46 pm
 Yeh,  that is for sure. Some dealers have their own agenda due to local  ownership changes. :whip:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SoundGame on 25 Jul 2012, 02:09 am

...Also the bottom Plinth will be an option...


Hi James - in all the testing, does the "plinth" add anything to the resonance and therefore, improve or degrade the sonic performance in any manner?  What effect - regardless of how small, does the plinth have on the sound / measurements and in what situations might it actually be a "recommended" option.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jul 2012, 02:22 am
Hi James - in all the testing, does the "plinth" add anything to the resonance and therefore, improve or degrade the sonic performance in any manner?  What effect - regardless of how small, does the plinth have on the sound / measurements and in what situations might it actually be a "recommended" option.  Thanks.

No the plinth is strictly cosmetic.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 25 Jul 2012, 02:36 am
James,

Have you had the chance to compare the Model T, against say, a PMC IBI2.

Can you comment on the differences, or will this type of information be released at a later date.

I owned an IB2 and agree with James that it is a great speaker. But I own an Axiom M80 speaker and to my ears it is a better speaker than the IB2 - more linear and accurate, and with better imaging. The Model T has been described to me as sounding like an M80 on steroids. So how would the Model T compare to the IB2? Do the math.  :D

I did and am going to buy a Model T sight unseen.

Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 25 Jul 2012, 03:20 am
I currently own the IB2i's, and yes they are a great speaker.

I know james has also owned them. The fact that he has been able to create a speaker that
 he really likes, and is ready to bring to market, says a lot.

Plus, I have always liked the idea of speaker with multiple drivers for the highs, mids, and lows.
I am curious of how much more they will fill the room, than my IB2's. If I like them, then I would end up
 buying the matching center and surrounds.

I will not get the chance to listen to them in person, so I will also take a chance and just buy them.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 25 Jul 2012, 04:06 am
James,
what is the brown color in the bottom picture of the custom finishes post - is that a walnut finish?

Also, are you doing black drivers or silver drivers?  Your bedroom set up shows silver drivers.

Thanks,
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jul 2012, 10:07 am
James,
what is the brown color in the bottom picture of the custom finishes post - is that a walnut finish?

Also, are you doing black drivers or silver drivers?  Your bedroom set up shows silver drivers.

Thanks,

Hi,

I think it is called African Walnut?

The white drivers were the prototypes - we are using the Black for production.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JohnR on 25 Jul 2012, 10:14 am
Are the two tweeters running in parallel?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jul 2012, 10:22 am
Are the two tweeters running in parallel?

Hi John - yes - all the drivers are handling the appropriate frequency range in parallel.  I know we are going to get into major discussions about comb filtering etc. but believe me we have research this for many years now and implemented correctly and given our design goals of no dynamic compression and excellent power response this solution worked best.

Ultimately people will have to listen for themselves but I have always felt that real world dynamics was something lacking in many speakers I have owned.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 25 Jul 2012, 10:33 am
HI James,

real world dynamics is indeed what we always strive to hear, but never do, other than in real life...
If this is going to work, i'm in for Model T. Cant wait  to hear a life size orchestra in my auditorium. Have you tested classical music too? A grand scale orchestra is not only about dynamics, but also about size and proximity. WOuld love to have that finally.

Is there any difference in this real world dynamics aspect between the active and passive modelT? (maybe some specs could help me, cause I've always thought that active speakers included their own amps, and your active model T needs outboard amps?. Just like the passive model T?)

Marius
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JohnR on 25 Jul 2012, 10:35 am
Hi John - yes - all the drivers are handling the appropriate frequency range in parallel.  I know we are going to get into major discussions about comb filtering etc. but believe me we have research this for many years now and implemented correctly and given our design goals of no dynamic compression and excellent power response this solution worked best.

Ultimately people will have to listen for themselves but I have always felt that real world dynamics was something lacking in many speakers I have owned.

Hah, you read my mind :D I have no cards to play. But I'm interested in learning, and this seems to be one of those strangely-contentious areas in audio. A simple thought experiment says that, if one were to play a mono signal though a pair of loudspeakers, just the simple and unavoidable fact that there is a certain distance between your ears will result in "comb filtering". I've never heard anyone complain about that... or put an earplug in one ear to avoid it - that would of course make no sense at all. More here than meets the microphone then? I look forward to reading more.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jul 2012, 10:54 am
Hah, you read my mind :D I have no cards to play. But I'm interested in learning, and this seems to be one of those strangely-contentious areas in audio. A simple thought experiment says that, if one were to play a mono signal though a pair of loudspeakers, just the simple and unavoidable fact that there is a certain distance between your ears will result in "comb filtering". I've never heard anyone complain about that... or put an earplug in one ear to avoid it - that would of course make no sense at all. More here than meets the microphone then? I look forward to reading more.

Hi John,

You got it :thumb:  Simply stated, comb filtering is two signals arriving at the same location at different times. Because of the differences in the arrival times, the sound waves will have additions when they perfectly overlap and reinforce each other, and also have cancellations or nulls where they cancel each other out (the latter is called destructive interference).

This occurs in virtually all speaker systems whose musical ranges overlap, where both drivers are reproducing the same sounds, as in stereo or surround sound, and because of multiple drivers with different physical locations used to cover the same frequency range.

I am putting together a more lengthy explanation with measurements we took and will post them soon.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JohnR on 25 Jul 2012, 11:57 am
Thanks James - looking forward to the info.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jul 2012, 12:22 pm
From AXIOM:

Comb Filtering—Popular Misconceptions

Perhaps it seems odd to discuss the teeth of a comb in connection with loudspeaker sound reproduction or the propagation of real sound waves, but it is relevant.

Comb filtering is a catchy audio phrase that’s used in audio discussions on forums, in articles, and often in the context of critical comments about the specifics of a particular speaker design. The fact is that comb filtering is simply a measurement artifact and does not detract from the listening experience. The research shows that comb filtering is not detrimental to accurate loudspeaker sound reproduction; at worst, it’s irrelevant, at best it actually adds a pleasurable element of spaciousness to stereo and surround sound.

That said, you might ask if it’s a measurement artifact, and careful measurements are instrumental to the scientific approach to acoustics and loudspeaker design that Bryston espouses, then why don’t we hear comb filtering with music and speech? Let’s break it down.

A Microphone Is Not Two Ears
It must be pointed out that a measurement microphone—even a very expensive lab-calibrated model like the one Bryston uses (a B & K)—is like a single ear with no brain. As human beings, we hear with two ears and a brain, the latter being an incredibly sophisticated audio processing unit that is constantly comparing signals received from our two ears and sorting out not only directional cues and amplitude (loudness) differences but also ignoring or disregarding information that might be confusing or detrimental to our sound localization, spatial perception and tonal identification abilities.

What Is Comb Filtering?
Simply stated, comb filtering is two signals arriving at the same location at different times. Because of the differences in the arrival times, the sound waves will have additions when they perfectly overlap and reinforce each other, and also have cancellations or nulls where they cancel each other out (the latter is called destructive interference). This occurs in virtually all speaker systems whose musical ranges overlap, where both drivers are reproducing the same sounds, as in stereo or surround sound, and because of multiple drivers with different physical locations used to cover the same frequency range.

To illustrate how a single measurement microphone “hears” or identifies comb filtering, we set up an interesting experiment in the anechoic chamber. Two quality bookshelf speakers were placed in the chamber 6 feet apart. The calibrated B & K microphone was placed 6.5 feet away and directly in the center in the sweet spot between the two speakers. A standard frequency sweep from 20 Hz to 20 kHz was played back over the two speakers and we recorded the test sweep with the measurement microphone. The purple curve in Figure 1 shows the frequency response with the microphone exactly centered in the sweet spot between the two loudspeakers.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65676)
 
Then we moved the measuring microphone ½-inch to the side, off center from the sweet spot, and recorded another frequency-response curve. The green curve in Figure 1 shows the first comb cancellation effect at 15 kHz.

Then we moved the microphone 1 inch off center and ran another curve. In Figure 2, the green curve shows the next comb filter cancellation at 5.5 kHz. In Figure 3, the measurement microphone was moved 8 inches off center from the sweet spot. The dark greenish curve shows the pronounced comb-filtering cancellations beginning just below 1.5 kHz and extending all the way up to 18 kHz. The dips in response resemble the downward teeth of a comb, hence the name “comb filtering”.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65677)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65678)

The cancellations (dips) are what the single measurement microphone “hears” and measures using a full-frequency test sweep when the signals from the two M2 speakers don’t perfectly overlap. This seems like an acoustic effect that may be potentially nasty in nature and should be avoided. These are pronounced cancellations, yet when we play music or speech over a pair of speakers, we don’t hear these comb filtering effects. Why is that?

How Does the Brain Deal With Comb Effects?
The precedence effect (previously known as the Haas Effect) dictates that our brain and ears pick out the location of a sound source that reaches our ears in the first few milliseconds of a sound’s arrival. The first sound to arrive at the ears enables you to determine the direction of the source. After hearing an initial signal, the brain will suppress any later-arriving signals, up to about 30 milliseconds. These later-arriving signals that show up with steady-state pink noise (within the 30-millisecond window) do not disrupt the brain’s precise localization mechanism. What occurs is that you do not “hear” the contributions of the later-arriving sounds from the adjacent drivers that are responsible for the measurement artifact of comb filtering. Or rather, your brain hears and processes them but disregards them lest they confuse our directional acuity; in fact all they do in the listener is create a sense of added spaciousness. Numerous scientific researchers, including definitive experiments conducted by Dr. Floyd Toole and Dr. Sean Olive, have verified this. Even in a room having lots of reflections, our brains correctly determine the direction of sounds. (By the way, sounds arriving at our ears after a delay of more than 30 milliseconds are perceived as a second sound or echo.)

Critics of comb filtering who believe it to be a big issue in speaker design have the option of listening in mono to avoid the comb filtering. But we all much prefer listening to music and vocalists in stereo—it’s far more spacious and realistic--and the reason is that our brains and two ears simply ignore those cancelling signals that on paper show up with a test signal and a single microphone.

Enthusiasts who would like to read further about comb filtering and psycho-acoustics should explore Sound Reproduction: Loudspeakers and Rooms, by Floyd E. Toole, Focal Press. Available from Amazon.co

FURTHER THOUGHTS: - From Ian at Axiom:
I will start this answer to your “question” with a conclusion; you need not concern yourself with the measurement phenomenon known as comb filtering. Since we produce multi-driver systems here at Bryston we have put much research into understanding the impact of comb filtering on the real world listening environment.

There are huge benefits to using multiple drivers, especially in the area of being able to produce large dynamic range without distortion, so it is not something that should be casually thrown out of your design options. Certainly, on the surface, if you were to only look at the measurements taken by the microphone of comb filtering, without any further research, you would probably decide it is something that must be avoided. But this would be an over simplistic and very counter-productive way to actually design a great sounding loudspeaker. It would be akin to simply taking a bunch of measurements and then go about drawing theoretical conclusions based on those measurements without feeling the need to do any real world testing of your theories. This will result in some great marketing propaganda and some great discussion material in which to back up your theories; but it would not result in a great sounding loudspeaker. The proper approach is to go through the somewhat painstaking process of understanding each measurement and its effect on the final listening experience, paying careful attention to the thresholds of audibility and the interrelationship with other measurements that may hold a greater significance to the end listening performance.

So let’s take a look at comb filtering in this light. First off comb filtering can be measured any time two drive units are playing the same frequency and the microphone is not located exactly equidistant between them. For example, if we take a standard stereo pair of speakers located say 8 feet apart, any movement of the microphone off centre, even as small as ½ inch, will show the affects of comb filtering. In order to avoid comb filtering occurring in our listening environment not only would we have to restrict ourselves to loudspeakers that only used one driver per frequency allocation, which would have huge detrimental effects on the ability to achieve great dynamic range, but we would have to restrict ourselves to only having one speaker in the room, in other words return to listening in mono through one speaker. Given the obvious enormous downside to doing this perhaps first we should review the real world results of comb filtering in our listening environment before rushing off and getting rid of all our speakers save one.

One of the more revealing tests we performed in our lab was to set up a double blind listening test where we had three identical speakers  and compared only playing the single speaker in the middle against playing the two on the outside simultaneously. We conducted this test in two separate sessions; one with the three speakers placed side by side, which gave us about a 15” separation between the drivers playing simultaneously, and one with the two outer speakers placed one meter to each side of the centre speaker. The amplitude response was preset so the two speakers had the same output as the single speaker and only a mono source was used. Not to wander off into a completely different subject, but it is worth at least noting that these sorts of tests must be done double blind. Any attempt to do them sighted or with the participants knowing what is on test will result in the participants who understand the effects of comb filtering on the measurements becoming biased in their judgment. This holds true for virtually all tests in audio and we have proved this over and over.

The results of that test were a clear winner for the widely separated pair and a slight nod for the closely positioned pair; the single speaker lost in both tests. The moral of the story here is to be careful when interpreting your measurement results and falling into the trap of thinking a microphone is giving you the exact results that will be perceived by two ears and a brain. In the case of comb filtering such a simplistic approach to loudspeaker design would cause the designer to throw out all the benefits of multi-driver systems to gain nothing. Forget about having to choose between taking a small degradation in one area in order to achieve a much larger benefit in another, which would also be a valid design decision; in the case of avoiding comb filtering you have to give up a very large benefit to gain absolutely nothing.

I think one of the most eloquent comments ever made regarding the dangers of taking microphone measurements for granted was by Dr. Floyd Toole in one of his papers written back when we were doing our research at the NRC; “A measurement microphone performs a simple transduction of the pressure summation at the diaphragm location, without regard for the direction or timing of the incident sounds. Two ears and a brain, however, are rather more elaborate in their processing”.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jul 2012, 01:38 pm
HI James,

real world dynamics is indeed what we always strive to hear, but never do, other than in real life...
If this is going to work, i'm in for Model T. Cant wait  to hear a life size orchestra in my auditorium. Have you tested classical music too? A grand scale orchestra is not only about dynamics, but also about size and proximity. WOuld love to have that finally.

Is there any difference in this real world dynamics aspect between the active and passive modelT? (maybe some specs could help me, cause I've always thought that active speakers included their own amps, and your active model T needs outboard amps?. Just like the passive model T?)

Marius

Hi Marius

The main limitation on the passive or the active is the amount of level the drivers can play at with low distortion. So the advantage of the active has more to do with the control factor on the drivers because the amplifier is connected directly to the driver and does not have to deal with coils and caps etc like in a passive system

Warning though :duh: - active systems are ruthless at revealing the source material and are not for everyone :nono:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 25 Jul 2012, 02:10 pm
Hi Marius

The main limitation on the passive or the active is the amount of level the drivers can play at with low distortion. So the advantage of the active has more to do with the control factor on the drivers because the amplifier is connected directly to the driver and does not have to deal with coils and caps etc like in a passive system

Warning though :duh: - active systems are ruthless at revealing the source material and are not for everyone :nono:

James

James, if the Model T is anythng like the Axiom M80 (and I'm assuming they share a common ancestry) my experience with the M80 makes this a very important caution. The M80 reveals more than I've ever heard from a speaker, and that means if a recording is bad the M80 reveals its offenses unmercifully. And on ocassion that can be downright unpleasant. I imagine that the Model T Active will do that to an even greater degree than the M80, and perhaps even the passive versions. Listeners who insist on all recordings sounding sweet definitely should demo.

But I use this analogy about highly revealing speakers. If you love someone who is very beautiful and you want that person to reveal all, it is likely that to enjoy the greater beauty you are more than willing to live with some small blemishes.

For me, anyway, that's preferable to having to discover the beauty through blemishes, or worse, take as beautiful what, in fact, is a blemish.

Truth in speakers, as in life, sometimes is not pretty.

Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 25 Jul 2012, 04:33 pm
that's one reason extra for me to try the active Model T. Transparency, air and revealing the 'sense of being there is what I've always looked for in a n audio system, being a professional classical musician comparing to what i've always around me in real orchestral life.

Hope it's the kind of electrostat transparency you, (we) 're on to here, with the power of the regular drivers. Might just be the end of a longtime quest, and a real big winner  :thumb:....

can i start trying those T's with only the 28b's bridged over the drivers (and maybe going upward from that, or do they really need separate amps per driver(set) to begin with?

Marius

Hi Marius

The main limitation on the passive or the active is the amount of level the drivers can play at with low distortion. So the advantage of the active has more to do with the control factor on the drivers because the amplifier is connected directly to the driver and does not have to deal with coils and caps etc like in a passive system

Warning though :duh: - active systems are ruthless at revealing the source material and are not for everyone :nono:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 25 Jul 2012, 06:14 pm
Hi John - yes - all the drivers are handling the appropriate frequency range in parallel.  I know we are going to get into major discussions about comb filtering etc. but believe me we have research this for many years now and implemented correctly and given our design goals of no dynamic compression and excellent power response this solution worked best.

Ultimately people will have to listen for themselves but I have always felt that real world dynamics was something lacking in many speakers I have owned.

james

James - what does real world dynamics mean to you?
The ability to play really loud?
What it means to me is the jump factor - quick rise time, and the ability to play differences in loudness, not just loud but the micro differences.

I've always interpreted that when people use the word dynamics they are usually referring to how loud the system will play which is just one aspect of the definition.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: milford3 on 25 Jul 2012, 06:24 pm
The definition for the word dynamic in the audio speaker world, for me, is the ability of a speaker to sound louder and better as one lowers the volume.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jul 2012, 06:25 pm
that's one reason extra for me to try the active Model T. Transparency, air and revealing the 'sense of being there is what I've always looked for in a n audio system, being a professional classical musician comparing to what i've always around me in real orchestral life.

Hope it's the kind of electrostat transparency you, (we) 're on to here, with the power of the regular drivers. Might just be the end of a longtime quest, and a real big winner  :thumb:....

can i start trying those T's with only the 28b's bridged over the drivers (and maybe going upward from that, or do they really need separate amps per driver(set) to begin with?

Marius
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jul 2012, 06:26 pm


Hi Marius,

In the active setup you need a dedicated electronic crossover and 6 channels of amplification.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jul 2012, 06:29 pm
James - what does real world dynamics mean to you?
The ability to play really loud?
What it means to me is the jump factor - quick rise time, and the ability to play differences in loudness, not just loud but the micro differences.

I've always interpreted that when people use the word dynamics they are usually referring to how loud the system will play which is just one aspect of the definition.

Dynamics refers to the difference between the lowest level and the highest level a speaker can respond too.  With the model T I am trying to produce a speaker that will play those dynamics without distortion.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jul 2012, 03:54 pm
Model T Home Theater Surround System:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65692)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 26 Jul 2012, 04:03 pm
Model T Home Theater Surround System:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65692)

james

Hi James. Hard to see the HT speakers that are not Model T. Do you have separate pictures for the others?

Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jackman on 26 Jul 2012, 04:05 pm
James, cool looking speakers!  What is the advantage of two tweeters (or dual tweeters)?  I've not seen many other manufactures use this design.  Did you experiment with a single tweeter version to compare?  thanks!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 26 Jul 2012, 04:40 pm

James, a couple more questions:

 What is the price to add the bottom Plinth to each speaker.
    Does it get bolted on?

 Do you have the prices on the center and surround speakers.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jul 2012, 04:52 pm
James, cool looking speakers!  What is the advantage of two tweeters (or dual tweeters)?  I've not seen many other manufactures use this design.  Did you experiment with a single tweeter version to compare?  thanks!

Hi jackman

My Model T Journey (or what I did on my summer vacation):

I started out checking with a number of speaker companies about my idea of building a quality loudspeaker but in ACTIVE form only - meaning an outboard electronic crossover and six channels of outboard (Bryston) amplification.

So over the last year and a bit we built a pair of the single woofer, single mid range and single tweeter version first and they were OK.  Then I tried a dual woofer, single mid and single tweeter, then a dual woofer, dual mid and single tweet then a triple woofer, dual mid and single tweeter and finally a triple woofer, dual mid and dual tweeter.

The difference is:  "dynamic capabilities with low distortion" improve substantially with the dual tweeter and in most speakers that is the limitation.  Also the efficiency of the driver compliment means that there is not a lot of padding down required in the crossover to match the power capabilities of the different drivers (Tweeters/Mids/Woofers).

Then I decided to try a Passive version to see how close we could come to the sound of the Active Model T – I am very happy with the results and it offers our customers a state of the art sound at a very reasonable price.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jul 2012, 05:15 pm
James, a couple more questions:

 What is the price to add the bottom Plinth to each speaker.
    Does it get bolted on?

 Do you have the prices on the center and surround speakers.

Hi,

The plinth is bolted on and not sure yet on any of the prices.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jul 2012, 05:45 pm
Hi James. Hard to see the HT speakers that are not Model T. Do you have separate pictures for the others?

Dave

Will have shortly.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: rmurray on 26 Jul 2012, 07:15 pm
 James you mentioned there my be a metal plinth. Is that still a possibility? :scratch:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jul 2012, 07:31 pm
James you mentioned there my be a metal plinth. Is that still a possibility? :scratch:

Yes still looking at that but the speaker is capable of such low frequency I am worried about 'ringing' issue with metal.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gdbalp on 27 Jul 2012, 01:38 am
Hi James,

As usual, you are introducing another great Bryston product.  I can not wait to hear them and see if I need to upgrade again...

I do have a question about the active setup on these speakers.  Can it be arranged with 4 channels of amplification - 1 channel for the lows and 2nd channel for the mid's and highs?

Ciao,
Luigi

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 27 Jul 2012, 03:21 am
Hi James,

As usual, you are introducing another great Bryston product.  I can not wait to hear them and see if I need to upgrade again...

I do have a question about the active setup on these speakers.  Can it be arranged with 4 channels of amplification - 1 channel for the lows and 2nd channel for the mid's and highs?

Ciao,
Luigi
It is great to see interest in active T model. :thumb:
Any three way active speaker will need 3 stereo or 6 mono amplification.So most likely you wont able to use a 4 channel amplifier to set up the speakers.If your 4 channel amp is a 9B,then you can use 2 for tweeter and 2 for mid range and you could buy a 4B to drive the woofer and of course 2x 6B SST2 would be the best choice which gives you total of 6 mono amps.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jul 2012, 10:27 am
Hi James. Hard to see the HT speakers that are not Model T. Do you have separate pictures for the others?

Dave


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65702)
Home Theater Matching Set

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65703)
Surround Speaker or Stereo Pair

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65704)
Center Speaker

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65705)
Powered Subwoofer

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 27 Jul 2012, 11:30 am
Thanks James for the improved pictures of the HT speakers.

Like the Model T, they look similar in outward appearance to Axiom speakers. The size and innards of the Model T of course differ. For example, where the Model T has 8" woofers, the M80 has 6" and is substantially larger.

Do you have any details on these speakers?

Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jul 2012, 11:36 am
Thanks James for the improved pictures of the HT speakers.

Like the Model T, they look similar in outward appearance to Axiom speakers. The size and innards of the Model T of course differ. For example, where the Model T has 8" woofers, the M80 has 6" and is substantially larger.

Do you have any details on these speakers?

Dave

Hi Dave,

No details other than to keep all the drivers and polar responses the same when assembling a surround system and therefore the driver compliment must match as close as possible.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 27 Jul 2012, 11:42 am
Hi Dave,

No details other than to keep all the drivers and polar responses the same when assembling a surround system and therefore the driver compliment must match as close as possible.

james

Thanks, James. The whole setup looks impressive.

Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 27 Jul 2012, 01:08 pm

Not only haeve you designed outstanding speakers James, but the added ability for the center and surrounds to levitate will really help with mounting problems too!



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65702)
Home Theater Matching Set







Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jul 2012, 01:17 pm
Not only haeve you designed outstanding speakers James, but the added ability for the center and surrounds to levitate will really help with mounting problems too!



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65702)
Home Theater Matching Set

Yes all he models have optional anti-gravity adjustments.  :lol:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 27 Jul 2012, 10:08 pm
  Lookin' good. Are the tweeters Titanium (I hope)  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jul 2012, 10:20 pm
  Lookin' good. Are the tweeters Titanium (I hope)  :thumb:

Yes.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 27 Jul 2012, 10:28 pm
  Thanks James. I have JBL Ti 044 tweeters and regardless of what some think they are a good choice in my book. Are those the 8 inch woofers in the pix? I think we are on the same page in many old and proven ways.. Cheers... :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jul 2012, 11:18 pm
  Thanks James. I have JBL Ti 044 tweeters and regardless of what some think they are a good choice in my book. Are those the 8 inch woofers in the pix? I think we are on the same page in many old and proven ways.. Cheers... :thumb:

Yes-  3 eights which equals a 15.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 27 Jul 2012, 11:27 pm
Yes-  3 eights which equals a 15.

james

I believe PMC's top-of-the line BB5 speaker has a 15 inch woofer.

James, could you explian how 3 eights equals 15.

Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jul 2012, 11:44 pm
I believe PMC's top-of-the line BB5 speaker has a 15 inch woofer.

James, could you explian how 3 eights equals 15.

Dave

It has to do with the total radiating surface area of the driver(s).

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: MarvinTheMartian on 28 Jul 2012, 10:25 am
7.1 fully active ... T'ease
===3==1
3=====3
2=====2
=2===2=
... 18 channels of amplification and 4 digital X-overs : )
James what an absolutely brilliant marketing strategy .

Seriously ... I could envision an active center channel to timbre match the mains. It will be very interesting to do a side by side comparison of the passive and active X-overs.

Question ...
Does the Tri-center technique also apply to the T's or is it strictly a Maggie thing?

Shawn
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2012, 11:13 am
7.1 fully active ... T'ease
===3==1
3=====3
2=====2
=2===2=
... 18 channels of amplification and 4 digital X-overs : )
James what an absolutely brilliant marketing strategy .

Seriously ... I could envision an active center channel to timbre match the mains. It will be very interesting to do a side by side comparison of the passive and active X-overs.

Question ...
Does the Tri-center technique also apply to the T's or is it strictly a Maggie thing?

Shawn

Hi,

I think a Maggie thing as it appears to work best with Dipole type speakers.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2012, 12:01 pm
Hi Folks

Instead of using the top part of the Model T as the Surround speakers or Stereo pair I am thinking of producing a Stereo pair which would use one of each driver from the Model T.  So one of each of the 8 inch woofer , 5 inch mid and tweeter. That way we would have a true 3-way full range speaker capable of being used as a Surround speaker or a quality Stereo pair???

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 28 Jul 2012, 12:52 pm
Sounds good.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Vipers on 28 Jul 2012, 01:45 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65702)
Home Theater Matching Set

Blimey James, I turn my back for a couple of days and you've designed a whole home cinema package, I can't keep up, do you ever sleep, there's certainly no stopping you at the moment :)

Good luck with the whole range, I can't imagine how much effort you must have put into this product, I'm sure there is going to be a lot of interest once its all with dealers, just hoping I can grab a pair, nudge, nudge :wink:  :wink:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jackman on 28 Jul 2012, 02:46 pm
I've been following this thread since the beginning, and have one question.  How can these speakers sound good?  They break so many audiocircle "rules" ...

- they use metal tweeters
- they don't have waveguides
- they don't have OB bass
- they don't have ribbon tweeters
- they aren't open baffle design
- they don't have exotic drivers
- they don't use exotic caps and inductors
- they don't use mega-buck binding posts
- they don't have external crossover boxes
- they are not encased in ego-stroking humidor-like exotic veneers
- the cabinets are not made of stacked Baltic birch
- the internal cables aren't made of silver or expensive/exotic metal

I've spent a lot of time on this site, and others for that matter, and have major concerns about a speaker that only relies on solid engineering in a relatively conventional design.  Okay, it has twin tweeters which is relatively uncommon, but otherwise it appears to be a carefully designed speaker in a conventional enclosure. 

Other than the sound, what ego-stroking features do you plan to offer with this speaker line?  You know, things that may not actually contribute to the sound but allow the owners to brag about when their friends come over for a listen or when they post on audio forums?   These speakers only seem to focus on good sound and accurate measurements.  In my experience, this only accounts for approximately 40-45% of the average audiofool's decision making criteria.

How is the guy with a preamp that has a two inch thick CNC'd aluminum face and huge, albeit half empty case, going to brag about these speakers when the only thing you seem to have focused on is great sound?  These speakers don't fill the "audio jewelry" requirement of so many audiophiles.  Would you consider a special addition to target this segment?

How do you plan to address the other"important" features most audio "expert" consumers clamor?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 28 Jul 2012, 02:58 pm
I've been following this thread since the beginning, and have one question.  How can these speakers sound good?  They break so many audiocircle "rules" ...

- they use metal tweeters
- they don't have waveguides
- they don't have OB bass
- they don't have ribbon tweeters
- they aren't open baffle design
- they don't have exotic drivers
- they don't use exotic caps and inductors
- they don't use mega-buck binding posts
- they don't have external crossover boxes
- they are not encased in ego-stroking humidor-like exotic veneers
- the cabinets are not made of stacked Baltic birch
- the internal cables aren't made of silver or expensive/exotic metal

I've spent a lot of time on this site, and others for that matter, and have major concerns about a speaker that only relies on solid engineering in a relatively conventional design.  Okay, it has twin tweeters which is relatively uncommon, but otherwise it appears to be a carefully designed speaker in a conventional enclosure. 

Other than the sound, what ego-stroking features do you plan to offer with this speaker line?  You know, things that may not actually contribute to the sound but allow the owners to brag about when their friends come over for a listen or when they post on audio forums?   These speakers only seem to focus on good sound and accurate measurements.  In my experience, this only accounts for approximately 40-45% of the average audiofool's decision making criteria.

How is the guy with a preamp that has a two inch thick CNC'd aluminum face and huge, albeit half empty case, going to brag about these speakers when the only thing you seem to have focused on is great sound?  These speakers don't fill the "audio jewelry" requirement of so many audiophiles.  Would you consider a special addition to target this segment?

How do you plan to address the other"important" features most audio "expert" consumers clamor?

Excellent. Worthy of a Stephen Colbert satire award.

Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 28 Jul 2012, 04:26 pm
Hi,

I think a Maggie thing as it appears to work best with Dipole type speakers.

james

When I ventured into multi-channel, HT because it was a progressive upgrade path. I just used my previous front direct radiating speakers for surrounds. I've always been curious if dipoles for surrounds would have been better. I heard dipoles in surround mode at dealer show room and it sounded pretty good. Actually that is partly where I got the idea to use the long wall for multi-channel, HT application.

So the question is, did your tests determine which is better for surround duty, direct radiating speakers or dipole?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2012, 04:29 pm
When I ventured into multi-channel, HT because it was a progressive upgrade path. I just used my previous front direct radiating speakers for surrounds. I've always been curious if dipoles for surrounds would have been better. I heard dipoles in surround mode at dealer show room and it sounded pretty good. Actually that is partly where I got the idea to use the long wall for multi-channel, HT application.

So the question is, did your tests determine which is better for surround duty, direct radiating speakers or dipole?

Hi Mag

I think both can work well but in the early days when the Surround channels were really only a Matrix of the front channels the surrounds being bipolar was the norm because they were only there to add ambiance not direct sound images.  With all the new surround formats like Dolby HD and DTS Master a lot of movies now are mixed with direct sound affects in the side and rear channels.  So I think the trend will be towards direct radiator type speakers going forward.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2012, 04:31 pm
I've been following this thread since the beginning, and have one question.  How can these speakers sound good?  They break so many audiocircle "rules" ...

- they use metal tweeters
- they don't have waveguides
- they don't have OB bass
- they don't have ribbon tweeters
- they aren't open baffle design
- they don't have exotic drivers
- they don't use exotic caps and inductors
- they don't use mega-buck binding posts
- they don't have external crossover boxes
- they are not encased in ego-stroking humidor-like exotic veneers
- the cabinets are not made of stacked Baltic birch
- the internal cables aren't made of silver or expensive/exotic metal

I've spent a lot of time on this site, and others for that matter, and have major concerns about a speaker that only relies on solid engineering in a relatively conventional design.  Okay, it has twin tweeters which is relatively uncommon, but otherwise it appears to be a carefully designed speaker in a conventional enclosure. 

Other than the sound, what ego-stroking features do you plan to offer with this speaker line?  You know, things that may not actually contribute to the sound but allow the owners to brag about when their friends come over for a listen or when they post on audio forums?   These speakers only seem to focus on good sound and accurate measurements.  In my experience, this only accounts for approximately 40-45% of the average audiofool's decision making criteria.

How is the guy with a preamp that has a two inch thick CNC'd aluminum face and huge, albeit half empty case, going to brag about these speakers when the only thing you seem to have focused on is great sound?  These speakers don't fill the "audio jewelry" requirement of so many audiophiles.  Would you consider a special addition to target this segment?

How do you plan to address the other"important" features most audio "expert" consumers clamor?

Hi jackman,

At Bryston we sell PERFORMANCE not FURNITURE  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spinner on 28 Jul 2012, 04:42 pm
  Bravo james :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jackman on 28 Jul 2012, 04:58 pm
Hi jackman,

At Bryston we sell PERFORMANCE not FURNITURE  :thumb:

james

James,

Thanks!  So you are going to try to introduce speakers based on solid design and performance?   Can you at least offer a special edition with cabinets made out of three inch thick CNC'd aluminum and Cryo the whole thing?  I know of more than a few audio "enthusiasts" who would fall...I mean go for it.

You guys know I'm kidding, right?  Compliments to James for the gimmick-free, fundamental approach to this design. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2012, 05:07 pm
James,

Thanks!  So you are going to try to introduce speakers based on solid design and performance?   Can you at least offer a special edition with cabinets made out of three inch thick CNC'd aluminum and Cryo the whole thing?  I know of more than a few audio "enthusiasts" who would fall...I mean go for it.

You guys know I'm kidding, right?  Compliments to James for the gimmick-free, fundamental approach to this design.

Yes i know you are kidding - I like it! :thumb:

But in all seriousness remember that not everyone agrees with Bryston's position or design criteria.  I think any designer has to decide which performance areas and cosmetics are the most important to him or her and that takes you down a path that may differ from one designer to another. 

I have lived with many quality loudspeakers over the many years I have been doing this and have come to the conclusion based on all the research available both empirically and scientifically that this approach is the best option so far.

james 

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 28 Jul 2012, 05:19 pm
I have no problem at all with people who want to have beautiful furniture in their homes, even if it happens to have speaker drivers in them.

All my good audio equipment is in a man cave which looks more or less like an abandoned dump site.

Vinyl covered speakers, then, in this setting, are a step up as a fashion statment. If they wrap themselves around a great speaker, so much the better.

Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2012, 05:24 pm
By the way we will be offering real wood and more upscale finishes going forward but it will add a premium of course.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jackman on 28 Jul 2012, 05:40 pm
I actually like exotic veneers and cool looking speakers.  I was mainly poking fun at the people who feel you need an exotic design (or ribbon tweets, open baffle, solid gold connectors, waveguides, etc) to get good sound.  IMO, traditional speaker designs are alive and well.  I'm not saying these things are without merit, but there are many paths to good sound.  There is no substitute for solid engineering and well thought out design.

These speakers may have several unique design elements but they look like traditional speakers, which I like. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gdbalp on 28 Jul 2012, 06:07 pm
James,

As you are developing the surround sound speakers, can I ask if the design of these speakers are at a minimum size.  If you take for example the size of centre speakers from some manufacturers, it is as large as the main speakers and is difficult to position between the mains- often looks odd too.  We do want the best performance, but space is challenge for placement of these speakers.  Just some thoughts..

Ciao,
Luigi
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 28 Jul 2012, 06:34 pm
 Glad to hear about the real wood thing. For me plastic outer coverings are a cheap look robbing much of the class you have built in to your efforts. This is not " furniture" but something I have always expected from a fine product. :thumb: Oh  and another thing. I would like to see a more substantial plinth like black granite or a cement based material.   IMO
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: BrysTony on 28 Jul 2012, 06:51 pm
Glad to hear about the real wood thing. For me plastic outer coverings are a cheap look robbing much of the class you have built in to your efforts. This is not " furniture" but something I have always expected from a fine product. :thumb: Oh  and another thing. I would like to see a more substantial plinth like black granite or a cement based material.   IMO

I agree with you Redbook.  $6K + speakers should not be vinyl clad.

Tony
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2012, 07:02 pm
James,

As you are developing the surround sound speakers, can I ask if the design of these speakers are at a minimum size.  If you take for example the size of centre speakers from some manufacturers, it is as large as the main speakers and is difficult to position between the mains- often looks odd too.  We do want the best performance, but space is challenge for placement of these speakers.  Just some thoughts..

Ciao,
Luigi

Hi Luigi

They are smaller but it is important they maintain the same polar response and reasonable power handling to match the fronts.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2012, 07:04 pm
I agree with you Redbook.  $6K + speakers should not be vinyl clad.

Tony

With real wood they are no longer a 6K + speaker --- they are a 7K + speaker. If you want real wood at 6K what should I leave out ? Maybe less internal bracing or thinner baffle or smaller magnets on the drivers?

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: BrysTony on 28 Jul 2012, 07:10 pm
With real wood they are no longer a 6K speaker --- they are a 7K speaker. If you want real wood at 6K what should I leave out ?

James

James, That is just my opinion. I personally would not be interested in the 6K vinyl version but I may well be interested in the 7K wood veneer.  I think you have come up with a great speaker concept.  It will be interesting to learn how the sales go - vinyl vs. wood veneer.

Tony
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2012, 07:13 pm
James, That is just my opinion. I personally would not be interested in the 6K vinyl version but I may well be interested in the 7K wood veneer.  I think you have come up with a great speaker concept.  It will be interesting to learn how the sales go - vinyl vs. wood veneer.

Tony

Hi Tony

You are more than likely correct but I want the model T to be as inexpensive as possible without compromising sonic performance. My new motto is "Performance before Furniture"   :lol:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 28 Jul 2012, 07:53 pm
As far as appearances and performance are concerned, I knew someone many years ago who had a fixed idea that higher priced products absolutely demanded higher priced componenents parts regardless of the function of a part. He had a top model BMW, and somehow conflated his love for the vehicle and his own sense of self worth. I noticed that the grill of his car was black plastic. It was an indisputable fact that it was plastic, but he blew his top insisting, in the face of the plain fact, that his beloved BMW simply could not be fitted with plastic parts. Now, of course, even the most expensive cars have plastic parts to save weight and thereby improve performance.

I'm not sure how authoritative this site is and I don't agree with all it says, but it advises speaker buyers to look at finishes this way, which seems reasonable to me:

"Finishes and grilles - Finish of the cabinet plays no role in the overall contribution of sound quality of a speaker system; it is merely a statement of fashion and prestige. While it is desirable to have a speaker system with a nice wood veneer finish, it should not be a primary concern as these types of finishes add cost to the system without an increase of performance. Most speakers have a vinyl finish with a wood grained appearance and some of these look like real wood, and it is difficult to tell that it is vinyl."

http://www.buyingloudspeakers.com/Construction%20and%20Materials.htm

I think the great thing James is doing is to let the customer decide what he wants: lower price and vinyl or higher price and wood. Best of both worlds. It looks like a sensible solution that let's everyone have what they want.

Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: BrysTony on 28 Jul 2012, 08:40 pm

I think the great thing James is doing is to let the customer decide what he wants: lower price and vinyl or higher price and wood. Best of both worlds. It looks like a sensible solution that let's everyone have what they want.

Dave

+1

Tony
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: ec on 28 Jul 2012, 10:52 pm
Instead of an vinyl option (haven't seen it), I would instead like a Studio finish where it is just painted matte black like the PMC stuff.  If this is the same cost as vinyl, I'd opt for the studio finish.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 28 Jul 2012, 11:01 pm
Instead of an vinyl option (haven't seen it), I would instead like a Studio finish where it is just painted matte black like the PMC stuff.  If this is the same cost as vinyl, I'd opt for the studio finish.

+2
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 29 Jul 2012, 06:46 am
 Yes, I would be more apt to buy a matt pro type finish if this keeps the cost down .Then again, all things being equal, what's another 1000$ at this point to get a bit more class? :wink:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spinner on 29 Jul 2012, 11:19 am
  Matt black is good for me. The simple finish would go with any decor. :thumb: Will there be grills for the final model? :scratch:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Jul 2012, 03:20 pm
  Matt black is good for me. The simple finish would go with any decor. :thumb: Will there be grills for the final model? :scratch:

Hi

Yes still working on the grill - trying to decide what looks good and at the same time has minimal defraction problems.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 29 Jul 2012, 03:24 pm
Yes, I would be more apt to buy a matt pro type finish if this keeps the cost down .Then again, all things being equal, what's another 1000$ at this point to get a bit more class? :wink:

Is vinyl actually classier than studio black??
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Jul 2012, 03:26 pm
Is vinyl actually classier than studio black??

I really like the Black Vinyl - it looks excellent  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 29 Jul 2012, 03:35 pm
Ah,,,might we expect studio black vinyl??
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Jul 2012, 03:40 pm
Ah,,,might we expect studio black vinyl??

I will ask - I guess if it available we could do it.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 29 Jul 2012, 03:43 pm
 Will that be a matt  or shiny finish James. To me a flatter look seems more austere and serious . :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 29 Jul 2012, 03:48 pm
James is it safe to assume.

The center speaker will have 2 x 8" woofer 2 x 5.5" mid and 2 x 1" tweeter and tri-wireable.

The surround 2 x 5.5" mid 2 x 1" tweeter and bi-wireable.

The surround is to be put on a speaker stand, or will it be wall mountable.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Jul 2012, 04:13 pm
James is it safe to assume.

The center speaker will have 2 x 8" woofer 2 x 5.5" mid and 2 x 1" tweeter and tri-wireable.

The surround 2 x 5.5" mid 2 x 1" tweeter and bi-wireable.

The surround is to be put on a speaker stand, or will it be wall mountable.

The Center will be as you described.

The surrounds will be as you described and the in-wall version may as well - not sure on that - we may just go with 1 tweeter on the in-walls.

Also I am thinking of a 3-way (1-8 inch woofer, 1-5 inch mid and 1 tweeter) for the stand version of the surrounds to get more full range capability.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Jul 2012, 04:16 pm
Will that be a matt  or shiny finish James. To me a flatter look seems more austere and serious . :thumb:

I agree - matt or satin looks better.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: rmurray on 30 Jul 2012, 05:19 pm
  James what are the cone materials of the black drivers? :scratch:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Jul 2012, 05:31 pm
  James what are the cone materials of the black drivers? :scratch:

A magnesium and aluminum mix. You are looking for a low resonance characteristics and light weight and stiffness.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: tomsenko on 31 Jul 2012, 07:50 am
Hi all,

It seems that some companies do believe that speaker casing/finishing has significant effect on sound quality:
http://www.lessloss.com/kaiser-kawero-p-211.html

Of course it may be that it is just marketing BS in order to justify the hefty pricetag.

Does anyone have a view on this?

Toms
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: saveloy on 31 Jul 2012, 11:16 am
I had a chat last week with a builder friend.  His carpenter has just covered the bespoke wardrobes he has made with a gorgeous, high quality walnut veneer.  The veneer costs £1000 per square metre.
So it is absolutely no surprise how much speaker manufacturers demand for real wood.

Kyri
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 31 Jul 2012, 02:47 pm
 Going back to the 'seventies' era it was always believed that veneering both the outer and inner surfaces would have positive effects in enclosure resonance. How true remains a dubious factor. This was a time, of course that veneers were affordable . Perhaps this is a good topic for the "Enclosures" forum. :eyebrows:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 3 Aug 2012, 03:08 am
I just seen a picture of thiel 3.7 "Burst" speakers....wow are they some gorgeous.

The cabinets were made at the Gibson guitar factory. Google them, they are something else.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Aug 2012, 12:48 pm
I just seen a picture of thiel 3.7 "Burst" speakers....wow are they some gorgeous.

The cabinets were made at the Gibson guitar factory. Google them, they are something else.

Yes we have had them at a few shows where we shared a room with Thiel - they are terrific :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 3 Aug 2012, 10:46 pm
I would like piano black lacquer, please.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Aug 2012, 08:11 pm
Hi Folks,

I decided to let a few people in the industry that I respect over to hear the new Bryston Model T loudspeakers. Got this today.

james

From: Mark Jones
Sent: August-11-12 3:57 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: Bryston Model T Loudspeaker

"Hi James,

Thanks for the invite to audition the new Bryston Model T loudspeaker.

So, as I look at this tower, with a million drivers in it, I think OK just another speaker, how boring is this gonna be?

What I was not prepared for, was what I heard.

Top to bottom coherence like no tomorrow. A tonal balance to die for. Not surprising being developed by JT, fantastic imaging and sound-staging, what a disappearing act.

I had the luxury of hearing both active and passive versions. The passive being one of the best values in audio, and the active maybe the best I have heard at any price.

Well done James."

Mark Jones
Whitby Audio Video.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Vipers on 11 Aug 2012, 09:58 pm
Excellent review James, you must be extremely happy but equally excited as the Model T begins it's journey out of your demo room into the great wide open.

Which begs the question, do you think there is any chance of the Model T showings it's drivers on this side of the pond? I'd love to hear the passives but it's the actives that really appeal, if they are not going to make it over here maybe it's time for a trip over for a Bryston factory tour to sneak a quick listen :wink:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 12 Aug 2012, 03:23 am

James,

What amps were you using on the active speakers, for the audition.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Aug 2012, 10:22 am
James,

What amps were you using on the active speakers, for the audition.

Hi,

Two 6B's with the new DSP Electronic crossover but I have also played with two 4B'sand two 7B's.

On the passive setup I was using the 28B's

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Aug 2012, 10:30 am
Excellent review James, you must be extremely happy but equally excited as the Model T begins it's journey out of your demo room into the great wide open.

Which begs the question, do you think there is any chance of the Model T showings it's drivers on this side of the pond? I'd love to hear the passives but it's the actives that really appeal, if they are not going to make it over here maybe it's time for a trip over for a Bryston factory tour to sneak a quick listen :wink:

Hi Vipers

It will be up to the individual distributors as to whether they carry the speakers in their market. It will obviously be a difficult choice for some as many have other obligations to a speaker line.

I may just concentrate on North American for now because 'if you can make it in New York you can make it anywhere'  :lol:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 12 Aug 2012, 01:50 pm
Hi Folks,

I decided to let a few people in the industry that I respect over to hear the new Bryston Model T loudspeakers. Got this today.

james

From: Mark Jones
Sent: August-11-12 3:57 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: Bryston Model T Loudspeaker

"Hi James,

Thanks for the invite to audition the new Bryston Model T loudspeaker.

So, as I look at this tower, with a million drivers in it, I think OK just another speaker, how boring is this gonna be?

What I was not prepared for, was what I heard.

Top to bottom coherence like no tomorrow. A tonal balance to die for. Not surprising being developed by JT, fantastic imaging and sound-staging, what a disappearing act.

I had the luxury of hearing both active and passive versions. The passive being one of the best values in audio, and the active maybe the best I have heard at any price.

Well done James."

Mark Jones
Whitby Audio Video.


James, based on what you've written about the Model T's development, the role of Axiom (and my experience with its M80), and your work on it, I'm not the least bit surprised by this reaction. My guess is that the Model T will cause quite a stir in the audio world.

Bryston seems to be on an incredible roll with its product introductions. The hits just keep on coming.

Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Aug 2012, 02:15 pm
James, based on what you've written about the Model T's development, the role of Axiom (and my experience with its M80), and your work on it, I'm not the least bit surprised by this reaction. My guess is that the Model T will cause quite a stir in the audio world.

Bryston seems to be on an incredible roll with its product introductions. The hits just keep on coming.

Dave

Hi Dave

Thanks - although speakers are probably the most subjective component in any system I think many of our customers will appreciate the Model T.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 12 Aug 2012, 02:46 pm
Hi Dave

Thanks - although speakers are probably the most subjective component in any system I think many of our customers will appreciate the Model T.

James

James, maybe for a moment you forgot that Bryston now is in the headphone component business. :D Headphones are, as you've found, just as subjective as are speakers, and for many users, so are headphone amps.

But I agree entirely that many Bryston users are probably going to like the Model T for the same reasons that they like other Bryston products, which start with basic goals in terms of engineering that can be measured and tested, objectively. For example, the company invariably tries to reach the lowest possible levels of distortion, which are not based on subjective judgement. It does so, I believe, on the premise that better specs are likely to produce better sound, which many users will find, subjectively, to be of a kind they prefer.

You have explained that the Model T, like all Bryston products, has been tested exhaustively - objectively tested - and then tested, subjectively, via listener blind testing. So this initial, totally subjective assessment from Mark Jones, seems to me to be a confirmation of all the hard, and frequently objective, work you have done for so many months on the Model T.

You never, personally, hype Bryston gear on AC beyond saying something like we think it's good. It is nice to see the the initial reaction to the Model T from a third party is doing some of the hyping that you, wisely, are reluctant to do.

Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Vipers on 13 Aug 2012, 05:57 pm
Hi Vipers

It will be up to the individual distributors as to whether they carry the speakers in their market. It will obviously be a difficult choice for some as many have other obligations to a speaker line.

James

Hi James,

I hear what you are saying and I totally understand the situation, it would be a shame though as I know there would be many a Bryston fan over in the UK that would love to hear the Model T, especially in it's active guise, maybe you could disguise a pair as a couple of 4B's or something and sneak them under the radar :wink:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Aug 2012, 12:25 pm
Hi Folks,

Sneak Peek!

Bryston Model T Bookshelf Speaker.

It is essentially a “MINI ME” version of the full Model T.

No pricing as of yet ( hoping less than $3000 the pair suggest list US) and I am going to use a Black Bryston Logo instead of the Silver shown.

Available at the end of October.

james






(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67027)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 31 Aug 2012, 01:15 pm
Hi Folks,

Sneak Peek!

Bryston Model T Bookshelf Speaker.

It is essentially a “MINI ME” version of the full Model T.

No pricing as of yet ( hoping less than $3000 the pair suggest list US) and I am going to use a Black Bryston Logo instead of the Silver shown.

Available at the end of October.

james






(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67027)
Hi James,
Is this available in active also?
What size woofer are you using?
Looks very nice indeed. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Aug 2012, 02:04 pm
Hi James,
Is this available in active also?
What size woofer are you using?
Looks very nice indeed. :thumb:

Only Passive for now - it  is an 8 inch woofer - same drivers as in the Model T.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 31 Aug 2012, 03:06 pm
That is nice.

It is bi or tri wire?

Also, have you set a price for the center speaker yet..
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Aug 2012, 04:43 pm
That is nice.

It is bi or tri wire?

Also, have you set a price for the center speaker yet..

Hi,

Bi-wire - the large Model T center channel will be about $2900

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: FireGuy on 31 Aug 2012, 06:21 pm
Hi Folks,

Sneak Peek!

Bryston Model T Bookshelf Speaker.

It is essentially a “MINI ME” version of the full Model T.

No pricing as of yet ( hoping less than $3000 the pair suggest list US) and I am going to use a Black Bryston Logo instead of the Silver shown.

Available at the end of October.

james

Very nice James.  Could be a interesting double-blind listening test down the road with Axiom's M22V3. 


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67047)







(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67027)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Aug 2012, 06:33 pm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hi,

No they are totally different - we are using a custom 8 inch woofer as opposed to 2- 5 inch mids so the MINI T goes much lower in frequency and is capable of much more acoustic output with significantly lower distortion.  Also the MINI has a dedicated MID range driver.

james


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67057)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Aug 2012, 06:37 pm
sorry - double post
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mkaiser on 31 Aug 2012, 09:53 pm
Hi James,
Are going to let the magazines have a listen to these and as well as the larger model T ? Anything lined up to introduce them upon mankind?  :D

Mark
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Aug 2012, 10:03 pm
Hi James,
Are going to let the magazines have a listen to these and as well as the larger model T ? Anything lined up to introduce them upon mankind?  :D

Mark

Hi Mark,

Soundstage Magazine is up first on the list for Model T's (they include extensive anechoic measurements as part of their speaker reviews) http://www.soundstageav.com/speakermeasurements.html  then Stereophile has expressed interest as well as Absolute Sound. 

I will make sure we have all the customer backorders covered though before review samples are released.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gdbalp on 1 Sep 2012, 06:21 pm
Hi James,

A few questions on the new Bryston loudspeakers:

1) Rough dimensions both the centre and surround speakers?
2) Will the speakers be shown at the TAVES show in Toronto  :o?
3) When will the speakers be available to be purchased :thumb:?
4) Any specifications that you can provide on the subwoofer?

Ciao, Luigi
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Sep 2012, 07:06 pm
Hi James,

A few questions on the new Bryston loudspeakers:

1) Rough dimensions both the centre and surround speakers?
2) Will the speakers be shown at the TAVES show in Toronto  :o?
3) When will the speakers be available to be purchased :thumb:?
4) Any specifications that you can provide on the subwoofer?

Ciao, Luigi


Hi Luigi,

1. I will try and get the measurement for you. The surrounds will be either the MINI T's or a new in-wall 2-way I am working on.
2. Yes I hope to have a pair of each at the show
3. The first production run is mid October but they are all presold.
4. Be three- 8 inch woofers and about 500 watt power amp internal with controls etc.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spinner on 1 Sep 2012, 07:19 pm
 Glad to see the Mini is three way....nice work James :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 1 Sep 2012, 10:02 pm
James,

I am confused.

You said the first production run is sold out, I was not aware that any of the speakers could be pre-ordered.

Also which speaker was made during the first production run, that was sold out.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Sep 2012, 12:11 am
James,

I am confused.

You said the first production run is sold out, I was not aware that any of the speakers could be pre-ordered.

Also which speaker was made during the first production run, that was sold out.

Sorry I did not make that clear. I announced the Model T speakers officially last month to our dealers and I have had a few dealers over to hear them at my place and before I knew it the first 20 pairs were gone.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Sep 2012, 07:08 pm
Family PIC  :thumb:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67149)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Sep 2012, 09:50 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Loudspeakers Feedback


DATE:  September 2012

Hi Folks – David is a professional sound engineer who has won many awards for his work in Movies and TV sound.


“Hi James,

Thanks again for making the time this afternoon for a first listening session with Bryston's new passive and active T1 speaker systems. Comparing the subtle differences between the two setups was a lot of fun and I love the flexibility you've built in for your customers. We've had many conversations about the relative merits of active vs passive speaker designs, and with a few simple choices you've managed to address them all.

From a performance point of view, both systems are top notch. I've always loved the sound of your listening rooms, and these new combinations are as good as I've heard. While I loved both systems and don't think they differ too much, the active system with the three Bryston power amps truly was one of the best sounding Hi-Fi systems I've had the pleasure to hear.

I'm looking forward to more time with them at TAVES and perhaps down the road if you are able to send a review sample our way at The Inner Ear. I'd also love to try the smaller pair at the studio in my new sound design suite.

Thanks again and well done.”

David McCallum
Partner / Supervising Sound Editor
Tattersall Sound & Picture
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 2 Sep 2012, 10:18 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Loudspeakers Feedback


DATE:  September 2012

Hi Folks – David is a professional sound engineer who has won many awards for his work in Movies and TV sound.


“Hi James,

Thanks again for making the time this afternoon for a first listening session with Bryston's new passive and active T1 speaker systems. Comparing the subtle differences between the two setups was a lot of fun and I love the flexibility you've built in for your customers. We've had many conversations about the relative merits of active vs passive speaker designs, and with a few simple choices you've managed to address them all.

From a performance point of view, both systems are top notch. I've always loved the sound of your listening rooms, and these new combinations are as good as I've heard. While I loved both systems and don't think they differ too much, the active system with the three Bryston power amps truly was one of the best sounding Hi-Fi systems I've had the pleasure to hear.

I'm looking forward to more time with them at TAVES and perhaps down the road if you are able to send a review sample our way at The Inner Ear. I'd also love to try the smaller pair at the studio in my new sound design suite.

Thanks again and well done.”

David McCallum
Partner / Supervising Sound Editor
Tattersall Sound & Picture

James,
Which power amp did you use to demo the active?
He is taking about three amps.Did you use a pair of 7BSST2 and two 4BSST2?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Sep 2012, 10:25 pm
James,
Which power amp did you use to demo the active?
He is taking about three amps.Did you use a pair of 7BSST2 and two 4BSST2?

Hi

Yes - 2-7's and 2-4's with new DSP crossover on the Active and a pair of 28B's on the Passives..

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 2 Sep 2012, 10:53 pm
Hi

Yes - 2-7's and 2-4's with new DSP crossover on the Active and a pair of 28B's on the Passives..

James
That is the Way to go James. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Just out of curiosity!!!!
As far I always been very satisfied with the 7s for bass in number of active systems and never asked for more but did you try the 28s to drive the bass and see if really would change performance or not.
I think it would be too much.What would you think?
Thanks
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Sep 2012, 10:56 pm
That is the Way to go James. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Just out of curiosity!!!!
As far I always been very satisfied with the 7s for bass in number of active systems and never asked for more but did you try the 28s to drive the bass and see if really would change performance or not.
I think it would be too much.What would you think?
Thanks

Its a good question - a lot depends on the load of the speaker.  If it is fairly benign (which it usually is not) then it is difficult to tell the difference.  With more difficult loads the 28B's will flesh out the mid bass and low bass.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Sep 2012, 05:09 pm
Bryston Model -T Home Theater System

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67229)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 4 Sep 2012, 06:37 pm

You keep posting pictures just to drive us crazy..  right   :lol:

Have you set a date as to when we will be able to place an order through our dealer.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Sep 2012, 06:54 pm
You keep posting pictures just to drive us crazy..  right   :lol:

Have you set a date as to when we will be able to place an order through our dealer.

Hi adol,

Some dealers have ordered their samples and some customers through their dealers have ordered already but it will be mid to late October before we can deliver.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Sep 2012, 01:10 pm
From: DM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: Model T

Hi James

Now that I'm home, listening to my own system and speakers, with similar Bryston amps, preamps, processors and players, I hear flaws in my speakers that I have not perceived before.

Exhagerated highs, mids that don't join seemlessly with the lower and upper frequencies, and that gracefulness that I described with you when listening in your sound room.

It's an interesting discovery.

Food for thought for me.

DM
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mkaiser on 5 Sep 2012, 03:14 pm
Quote
Now that I'm home, listening to my own system and speakers, with similar Bryston amps, preamps, processors and players, I hear flaws in my speakers that I have not perceived before.

Exhagerated highs, mids that don't join seemlessly with the lower and upper frequencies, and that gracefulness that I described with you when listening in your sound room.

It's an interesting discovery. /quote]

Too bad he doesn't name the speakers he owns to draw a comparison and add weight to his story.  :wink:


Hi

I know what they are are (name with-held) and they are a very well respected product.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 9 Sep 2012, 03:38 pm
James,

Is it possible  for me to audition the Model T's in the Netherlands? Does Mavico have a pair?

Marius
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Sep 2012, 03:41 pm
James,

Is it possiblel for me to audition the Model T's in the Netherlands? Does Mavico have a pair?

Marius

Hi Marius

Maybe eventually but it will be a while. We have already sold the first 42 pair and I will not have anymore production till late November and if the orders continue possiblly not till January.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 9 Sep 2012, 04:09 pm
Hi James,

I had to ask because before you mentioned not all dealers will have Model T's. Hope you will give us the opportunity. Some way or another.
Spoke to numerous audiophile colleagues, and they were interested to say the least. I'd be ready to buy them unheard, but believe an audition would help your case greatly.

Marius
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Sep 2012, 04:16 pm
Hi James,

I had to ask because before you mentioned not all dealers will have Model T's. Hope you will give us the opportunity. Some way or another.
Spoke to numerous audiophile colleagues, and they were interested to say the least. I'd be ready to buy them unheard, but believe an audition would help your case greatly.

Marius

Hi

I assume Mafico would be interested as they do not distribute a speaker as far as I know.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Sep 2012, 10:44 am
Hi Folks,

Some Anechoic measurements on the Model T Speaker:

0/15/30 Degrees
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67547)
45/60/70 Degrees
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67548)
Difference 70dB to 90dB
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67549)
Difference 70dB to 95dB
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67550)
Impedance
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67551)
Listening Window
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67552)
THD + Noise 90dB
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67553)
THD + Noise 95dB
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67554)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JohnR on 11 Sep 2012, 10:48 am
What is "Ratio vs Freq"?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DaveNote on 11 Sep 2012, 03:40 pm
Hi James, I admit I don't know about testing and meaurements, especially the finer points, but I do at least look at graphs, like the ones you posted on the Model T, when they are made, such as in Stereophile reviews.

These seem to show a degree and level of flatness that I don't recall having seen before.

Is my memory worse than I thought? Am I misunderstanding something?

Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Sep 2012, 03:53 pm
Hi James, I admit I don't know about testing and meaurements, especially the finer points, but I do at least look at graphs, like the ones you posted on the Model T, when they are made, such as in Stereophile reviews.

These seem to show a degree and level of flatness that I don't recall having seen before.

Is my memory worse than I thought? Am I misunderstanding something?

Dave

Hi Dave,

No the measurements on the Model T are exceptional by industry standards and I am very happy with the final product  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Sep 2012, 04:01 pm
What is "Ratio vs Freq"?

Hi John,

Yes graphs can be a little confusing I agree.

Basically the graph shows the 'on axis' frequency response at 70dB then an overlay of the same on axis measurement at 90dB and finally 95dB (quite loud).  Many speakers will deviate from flat frequency response as well as increasing distortion as you increase the power.  As you can see the Model T tracks very well.

One of my main goals with the Model T was I wanted them to be able to accept huge amounts of power (no dynamic compression)  without deviating from their flat frequency response or increasing in distortion. This is a good test to show how a speaker performs under those conditions.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 11 Sep 2012, 04:16 pm
Hi James,

Could you comment on the graphs below 50hz, they all seem to deviate from "flatness". Does this indicate the need for a dedicated Sub, or, on the contrary, would you say these graphs show/prove how flat Model T is, in comparison to other Speakers.

Marius

Good question  :thumb:

Most Anechoic chambers will not allow for an accurate measurement below about 50-80Hz (otherwise their size becomes unrealistic) so what is done in our case is the bass response measurement is made on a pole outside the factory 100 feet in the air and then that measurement is used and over-layed with the anechoic response to get an accurate response below 50Hz. 

So you can ignore the response below 80 on the graphs.  I will try to get you a much more technical answer from Ian as well.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 11 Sep 2012, 05:18 pm
That would be wonderful, James, Im on the lookout for a full-range  speaker to replace my Quad/Rel B1 set, with the same frequency response, transparency and airy quality, but more SPL. Model T would come close, as I gather from your previous info. Would love some 'deep' as in bigpipe organ, full-blown orchestra, heavy bassdrum-measurements   (no suitable Smiley found :-) )

Cheers!
Marius


Hi James,

Could you comment on the graphs below 50hz, they all seem to deviate from "flatness". Does this indicate the need for a dedicated Sub, or, on the contrary, would you say these graphs show/prove how flat Model T is, in comparison to other Speakers.

Marius

Good question  :thumb:

Most Anechoic chambers will not allow for an accurate measurement below about 50-80Hz (otherwise their size becomes unrealistic) so what is done in our case is the bass response measurement is made on a pole outside the factory 100 feet in the air and then that measurement is used and over-layed with the anechoic response to get an accurate response below 50Hz. 

So you can ignore the response below 80 on the graphs.  I will try to get you a much more technical answer from Ian as well.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 18 Sep 2012, 08:22 am
Hi James,
any sign from Mafico yet? october 1st Vat rises again this side.... :cry:

Marius

Hi

I assume Mafico would be interested as they do not distribute a speaker as far as I know.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Sep 2012, 10:25 am
Hi James,
any sign from Mafico yet? october 1st Vat rises again this side.... :cry:

Marius

Hi Marius

I will check but the first 40 pairs are pre-sold in North America so I do not think our export manager has assigned any overseas sales yet.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 18 Sep 2012, 10:28 am
o well,
will have to enjoy my new BHA1 then asap.

Ill ask Mafico, what their plans are.

Marius

Hi Marius

I will check but the first 40 pairs are pre-sold in North America so I do not think our export manager has assigned any overseas sales yet.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bobNL on 20 Sep 2012, 04:52 pm
Hi James,

What sort of amplification would one need to drive the active version of the model T?

Would a BHA1 do the trick by any chance?  :roll:

Could be a naive idea, but would complement my lineup quite nicely.
Always wanted to try active speakers.
Heard some active ATC's that were stunning.

Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Sep 2012, 05:51 pm
Hi James,

What sort of amplification would one need to drive the active version of the model T?

Would a BHA1 do the trick by any chance?  :roll:

Could be a naive idea, but would complement my lineup quite nicely.
Always wanted to try active speakers.
Heard some active ATC's that were stunning.

Cheers,
Bob

Hi Bob,

The active speakers require SIX CHANNELS of amplification plus the Bryston AX-1 electronic crossover.  The BHA could act as the Preamp.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bobNL on 20 Sep 2012, 09:02 pm
Naive indeed!  :oops: :oops: :duh:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: klao on 22 Sep 2012, 04:10 pm
Hello James,

Are the Bryston subwoofer' cabinets with port or sealed-box design.  Any detailed spec/measurements you can disclose?
How much is their MSRP?

Thank you,
Klao
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Sep 2012, 04:20 pm
Hello James,

Are the Bryston subwoofer' cabinets with port or sealed-box design.  Any detailed spec/measurements you can disclose?
How much is their MSRP?

Thank you,
Klao

Still working on it but I think there will be 2 versions - one with a built in 600 watt amplifier and phase, crossover adjustments etc.  and one Passive with the idea of driving it with one of our current Bryston amps.

I am investigating the sealed vs ported as well.  I am also thinking of going to 4 eight inch woofers instead of 3.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 27 Sep 2012, 04:42 pm
Yes, go with more woofers.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Oct 2012, 12:22 pm
Hi Folks,

Here is a nice shot of the Mini t's and the prototype powered sub from the Toronto Show:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68792)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 3 Oct 2012, 02:35 pm
Bryston subs,probably will be built to LAST(unlike some others I have had).
I would assume they would have a hefty warranty also,thinking Thiel 10 yr.type warranty ,course with a passive sub with a 7B-sst2 and Bryston outboard X-over,NO WORRIES,I like it :thumb:.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: klao on 3 Oct 2012, 03:40 pm
I'd prefer to have a pair of two subs with just 2 drivers each, instead of a very tall one with 4 drivers.

Something similar to the Axiom EP 800 would do quite well, aesthetically.   :)

BTW, if the sub has its own crossover, please make the cut point as low as 30Hz, not just 40Hz.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 3 Oct 2012, 04:14 pm
  James ,are the mini's stands available as well from Bryston?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Oct 2012, 04:32 pm
  James ,are the mini's stands available as well from Bryston?

Yes - not sure on price yet.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: rmurray on 3 Oct 2012, 06:49 pm
  Regarding the stands; what will they made from and would they be mass loadable (tubes)? :dance:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: patrickm on 3 Oct 2012, 06:59 pm
The stands seem to be similar to these: http://www.axiomaudio.com/fms-qs-full-metal-stand.html [which would be fantastic because those are great!]
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Oct 2012, 07:06 pm
The stands seem to be similar to these: http://www.axiomaudio.com/fms-qs-full-metal-stand.html [which would be fantastic because those are great!]

Yes they are the same except the top fits the bottom of the speaker.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Oct 2012, 08:43 pm
From: Audio Ideas Guide
Sent: October-03
To: James Tanner

Subject: The New Bryston Speakers

Hi James,

It was good to see you at the show, and I was delighted to hear the fruits of your collaboration with AXIOM, pretty much the best sound that I heard in any of the TAVES rooms.

The frequency balance, bass extension, and dynamic capability are superb on first listening, very akin to what I heard when I went home to my own Veritas/ads hybrids that I've developed over the past year or so.

CONGRATULATIONS!

Andrew
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: FireGuy on 4 Oct 2012, 12:47 am
From: Audio Ideas Guide
Sent: October-03
To: James Tanner

Subject: The New Bryston Speakers

Hi James,

It was good to see you at the show, and I was delighted to hear the fruits of your collaboration with AXIOM, pretty much the best sound that I heard in any of the TAVES rooms.

The frequency balance, bass extension, and dynamic capability are superb on first listening, very akin to what I heard when I went home to my own Veritas/ads hybrids that I've developed over the past year or so.

I think you've gone somewhat beyond the best AXIOM designs that I've heard to date, so CONGRATULATIONS!

Andrew

Andrew - Some kind words and feedback on Bryston's new speaker project.  I too some day would like to attend a demo and hear first hand their virtues.

You say these go beyond the best Axiom has to offer...were you able to "kick the tires" on Axioms new product, the LRF1100?   These are Axiom's  recently-released omnidirection floorstanders that include a 4-channel, balanced DSP with each speaker.   I'm thinking this could be a rather interesting "face off" when one has the chance.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Oct 2012, 01:03 am
The 1100 is an excellent speaker  :thumb:  I have heard them many times.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PETE6737 on 5 Oct 2012, 10:35 am
James,
What are the specs for the model T's? Thanks, Pete
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2012, 10:51 am
James,
What are the specs for the model T's? Thanks, Pete

Hi

Email me and I will send you the brochure. - jamestanner@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2012, 10:53 am
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68867)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68868)
 
“One of the big surprises though this year was the introduction of the Bryston line of speakers.

No need to introduce the Canadian manufacturer and its no-nonsense balls-to-the-wall electronics pairing finesse with huge muscle at prices mere mortals can hope to be able to afford one day. They took the same approach to speaker design. To my complete and utter disbelief it worked.

I said disbelief because nothing could be further away from what I usually enjoy than a large tower with two dome tweeters, two dome midrange drivers and three woofers per side. The off-chance that such a conglomerate could actually sound coherent, nimble and fun baffled me but the fact was, this system with a BDP-2 file player and BDA-2 DAC driving a pair of massive 28B-SST2 power amps into the $6.495/pair Model T speakers sounded pretty good, engaging and lively without harsh edges.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68869)

I am not about to renounce high-efficiency widebanders or simple two-ways. If I did though, the Bryston Model T would mandate further careful listening. Compared to the similarly priced Rosso Fiorentino the Bryston packed far more bass power and slam but gave up on midrange resolution and tonal accuracy.

For a first attempt and at this price, color me impressed.”

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Russell Dawkins on 5 Oct 2012, 04:31 pm
Dome midrange drivers?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2012, 04:44 pm
Dome midrange drivers?

Hi Russell

No  5 inch mids  - the domes do not go low enough in frequency given our crossover and off-axis power response requirements on this speaker.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JfTM on 6 Oct 2012, 06:43 pm
Sorry,

Not paying attention.

What are the Model T tweeters?  Dome I assume, metal, fabric,.....?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Oct 2012, 07:02 pm
Sorry,

Not paying attention.

What are the Model T tweeters?  Dome I assume, metal, fabric,.....?

Titanium domes

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Oct 2012, 12:31 pm
MUSICAL and DYNAMIC :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68999)

BLOG: Ears Wide Open at TAVES
Gordon Brockhouse


At the Bryston exhibit, VP James Tanner was showing off his company's new Model T speakers, which are being built at Axiom Acoustics' factory in Dwight, ON.

These are very musical speakers, as evidenced by a file of the Beatles singing an a capella version of "Because." And they have absolutely scary dynamics, as evidenced by some sound effects (breaking glass, banging on a garage door) Tanner played.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69000)


There are three versions of the Model T: the passive version demonstrated by Tanner ($6,495 per pair), an active version at $9,495 per pair, and a passive version with external crossover (allowing future upgrade to active version) at $7,495.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: larevoj on 9 Oct 2012, 01:21 pm
Hi James, thanks for the brochures!

Very impressive measurements in the brochures and I can't wait to have a listen!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 9 Oct 2012, 03:26 pm
  Axiom doesn't seem to have the brochure  :scratch:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Oct 2012, 03:33 pm
  Axiom doesn't seem to have the brochure  :scratch:

It's NOT an Axiom product - it's a BRYSTON product !!!!  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 9 Oct 2012, 03:34 pm
 It was just a thought, sorry :duh: 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Oct 2012, 03:52 pm
It was just a thought, sorry :duh:

You are officially forgiven  :lol:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 9 Oct 2012, 04:29 pm
 :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spinner on 10 Oct 2012, 10:00 pm
  It seems the  Model T needs a classy plinth to give a finish to the entire look. I would like to see an inch thick aluminum base with spikes or rubber feet options. "Bryston" could be laser cut into the plinth to match the other Bryston components. This would add some stability to the rather tall cabinet as well. What do other members think?  :idea:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Oct 2012, 12:10 am
  It seems the  Model T needs a classy plinth to give a finish to the entire look. I would like to see an inch thick aluminum base with spikes or rubber feet options. "Bryston" could be laser cut into the plinth to match the other Bryston components. This would add some stability to the rather tall cabinet as well. What do other members think?  :idea:

At the Toronto show most people liked the OutRiggers we had on the demo pair.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 11 Oct 2012, 05:30 pm
  James is there a closer pic of those outriggers? Are they available from Bryston?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Oct 2012, 06:16 pm
  James is there a closer pic of those outriggers? Are they available from Bryston?

I had a pair done up for the show so people could compare it to the plinth.

I will see if I can find a close up from the show pics.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Oct 2012, 07:20 pm
I had a pair done up for the show so people could compare it to the plinth.

I will see if I can find a close up from the show pics.

James


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69203)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Oct 2012, 10:26 pm
Hi Folks - I hate grills but need some input - of the 2 Model T shown any preferences?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69206)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69207)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jjc1 on 11 Oct 2012, 11:18 pm
Yes. The top speaker. Much cleaner and sleeker.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spinner on 11 Oct 2012, 11:20 pm
  Same for me.... :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 11 Oct 2012, 11:25 pm
Hi Folks - I hate grills but need some input - of the 2 Model T shown any preferences?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69206)



I would say this one is nicer for this floorstanding speaker.
James,How about different colors on grills? And most of them would match with black.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 12 Oct 2012, 01:26 am
I like the top sample of grill..more traditional.  The tappered one looks a little trendy
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: FireGuy on 12 Oct 2012, 02:27 am
I prefer the pyramid design.  It will expose real-wood veneer finishes much better. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 12 Oct 2012, 06:04 am
...the first shown design looks better :green:

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PETE6737 on 12 Oct 2012, 10:32 am
I would like a pair in black with the top version of grill :)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 12 Oct 2012, 10:01 pm
Hi James,
Are you showing the model T this year at RMAF or no?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Oct 2012, 10:25 pm
Hi James,
Are you showing the model T this year at RMAF or no?

No sorry we are not doing RMAF this year - decided to do Toronto instead.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 14 Oct 2012, 11:47 am
The first photo.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 14 Oct 2012, 04:26 pm
HI James,

Do you have any other colors in mind? I know that I am still disappointed with my own black ESL's though I was very sure at the time i ordered them from the folder..... Real black holes in my room, especially now they are accompanying my flatscreen tv.

I would think something in the line of the aluminum Bryston look would be very stylish and have the industrial Pro look, just like your alu line of electronics. Anything like that in the options?

other than that, I always feel that formfactor should not prevail/distract, so no pyramid for me...


Marius

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Oct 2012, 04:30 pm
HI James,

Do you have any other colors in mind? I know that I am still disappointed with my own black ESL's though I was very sure at the time i ordered them from the folder..... Real black holes in my room, especially now they are accompanying my flatscreen tv.

I would think something in the line of the aluminum Bryston look would be very stylish and have the industrial Pro look, just like your alu line of electronics. Anything like that in the options?

other than that, I always feel that formfactor should not prevail/distract, so no pyramid for me...


Marius

Hi Marius

We can do exotic colors but to get started I figured we would start with 3. Of the 43 pairs ordered 23 are Black, 6 are Natural Cherry and 14 are Boston Cherry. Any other color would be special order

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 14 Oct 2012, 05:59 pm
Hi James,

I meant the grills..... sorry for not being clear about that. Cherry or black, with aluminum grills, a great combination?

Marius

Hi Marius

We can do exotic colors but to get started I figured we would start with 3. Of the 43 pairs ordered 23 are Black, 6 are Natural Cherry and 14 are Boston Cherry. Any other color would be special order

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Oct 2012, 06:20 pm
Hi James,

I meant the grills..... sorry for not being clear about that. Cherry or black, with aluminum grills, a great combination?

Marius

Certainly worth thinking about :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 14 Oct 2012, 07:40 pm
gloss black for me.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Vipers on 15 Oct 2012, 10:48 am
Hi Folks - I hate grills but need some input - of the 2 Model T shown any preferences?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69206)


Definitely this one James, looks far slicker and discrete.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TomS on 15 Oct 2012, 12:48 pm
James,

The one piece look is far sleeker. It would be nice to do as some others have done and put the same magnets or retaining posts in the rear of the speaker to hold the grills when removed from the front while listening. Maybe you've already thought of that but it's very convenient.

Sorry these didn't make it to RMAF  :(

Tom
 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Oct 2012, 01:20 pm
James,

The one piece look is far sleeker. It would be nice to do as some others have done and put the same magnets or retaining posts in the rear of the speaker to hold the grills when removed from the front while listening. Maybe you've already thought of that but it's very convenient.

Sorry these didn't make it to RMAF  :(

Tom

Hi Tom,

The rear at the top of the speaker is ported so the grills have to stay in the packing boxes -- LOL

Yes sorry I could not make it as we decided to do the Toronto show this year - any highlights?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TomS on 15 Oct 2012, 01:41 pm
James,

There were too many highlights to list as it was a great show  :thumb: I would love to go to the Toronto show one of these days as well.

I listened to a German 3-way speaker I'd never seen in the US, the Elac FS 249BE, and really enjoyed it. Apparently they're well known in Canada these days. At about $8k US, it would be a direct competitor to the T's so that would have certainly been interesting to compare. No active options, but very well executed with their own custom drivers. Based on the sound, I suspect it has similar design goals to your new speakers. By the way, they had a top rear port that was "pluggable" and the grills hung on the back right below that  :wink:

Tom

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Oct 2012, 01:48 pm
James,

There were too many highlights to list as it was a great show  :thumb: I would love to go to the Toronto show one of these days as well.

I listened to a German 3-way speaker I'd never seen in the US, the Elac FS 249BE, and really enjoyed it. Apparently they're well known in Canada these days. At about $8k US, it would be a direct competitor to the T's so that would have certainly been interesting to compare. No active options, but very well executed with their own custom drivers. Based on the sound, I suspect it has similar design goals to your new speakers. By the way, they had a top rear port that was "pluggable" and the grills hung on the back right below that  :wink:

Tom

Yes we are going to have 'pluggable' ports as well if the room will not support really low bass extension or customers prefer a sealed box.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spinner on 15 Oct 2012, 02:05 pm
   The Canton Vento series would be another competitor from Germany .
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Oct 2012, 03:37 pm
   The Canton Vento series would be another competitor from Germany .

Yes there are lots of great speakers out there - hopefully we can compete competently.  :duh:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mkaiser on 15 Oct 2012, 05:38 pm
Quote
Cherry or black, with aluminum grills/quote]

I'll second that request. If not, then the first one works.  :thumb:

Mark
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 16 Oct 2012, 01:52 pm
Hi Folks - I hate grills but need some input - of the 2 Model T shown any preferences?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69206)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69207)

Second sample James. I agree the grill per driver makes it a bit busy. I think a two piece grill might look sharp. The top grill from the 2nd sample and a bottom grill for all the woofers.  or maybe i seen that on another sample somewhere along the line and it stuck with me.

Cheers,
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Oct 2012, 05:32 pm
Hi Folks,

The Bryston Model T Loudspeaker Brochure is now up on the Bryston Website under “Latest News”

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/brochures/MODEL_T_PASSIVE_BROCHURE.pdf


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bobNL on 19 Oct 2012, 09:29 pm
Hi James,

Looks really, really, nice!

Hope to hear one soon, word has it one set is crossing the atlantic as we speak.
What sort of amp would one need as a minimum to drive the passive version?
Would a trusty B100 suffice?

Cheers,
Bob

 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: srb on 19 Oct 2012, 09:57 pm
A pair of the 91dB Bryston passives would calculate to give a peak output of ~ 110dB with the B100 (180W @ 4 ohms) when the speakers are ~ 2 to 4 feet from the walls at a listening distance of ~ 10 feet.
 
That should be able to acommodate peaks for the majority of recordings at normal listening levels.
 
Steve
 
 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bobNL on 19 Oct 2012, 10:07 pm
Great!

Thanks Steve, not certain I follow the math, but very helpfull nevertheless.

Bob
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: srb on 19 Oct 2012, 10:47 pm
Thanks Steve, not certain I follow the math, but very helpfull nevertheless.

The speaker's sensitivity is 91dB at 1 meter distance.  Each 3dB increase requires a doubling of power.
 
94dB = 2W
97dB = 4W
100dB = 8W
103dB = 16W
106dB = 32W
109dB = 64W
112dB = 128W
113.4dB = 180W (The maxiumum output of the B100 amp @ 4 ohms to the 4 ohm Model T speaker)
115dB = 256W
118dB = 512W
 
The 118dB/512W figure also seems to be pretty much inline with the Model T specs of 118dB maximum output and 500W maximum power handling.
 
These figures are at 1 meter from the speaker.  Each doubling of distance decreases the dB output by ~ 6dB, so the maximum output at 10 feet would be decreased to ~ 104dB.  This is for one speaker.  Two speakers increases the output by ~ 3dB.  Having the speakers closer to a wall than out in the middle of the room also increases the output from boundary reinforcement, hence the estimate of ~ 110dB.
 
If you listen to music at an average 85dB level, this would allow peaks of ~ 25dB.  These are all estimates and presumes that the drivers and crossovers are perfectly linear, but it gets you in the ballpark.
 
There are a number of SPL calculators online that you can plug numbers into and get a decent estimate of what one might expect.  Here is one of them:  SPL Calculator (http://myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html) .  You can also download an Excel spreadsheet version from the site if you want to easily compare a number of possibilities.

Edit:  Even though the above link is correct and works from my bookmarks, for some reason it is being redirected to the host website when clicked here on the forum.  You can Google it however:  http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=spl+calculator+collins+cinema

Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bacmsl on 20 Oct 2012, 08:10 pm
Any chance of any horns? Probably not.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PETE6737 on 25 Oct 2012, 10:45 pm
I have been told by my Jacksonville Fl Bryston dealer that they are trying to get a pair of Model Ts for me to audition. I say "audition" because even though I am likely going to be an owner of these, I can't sign off without even a 30 minute listen, so here's to putting my hands on them late November, or maybe just in time to be a Christmas present to myself  :D

Maybe, just maybe, I could be the very first Model T owner in Florida? cool
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JeffO on 28 Oct 2012, 01:10 am
James,

Great demo of the Model T at Audio-One today.  Nicely balanced, good bass and incredible dynamics.  Physically bigger than I thought they would be, I liked the outriggers. 

I could really tell the difference when you played a song with some (not even a huge amount of) compression, I do not recall hearing a speaker that had the same dynamics.  For future demos you may what to have a few tracks that are heavily compressed to highlight how bad some of the recordings are today and to show off the dynamics when you switch to a song with less compression. 

I was impressed. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 28 Oct 2012, 02:01 am
In order to understand your comments better, how are you defining dynamics - the ability to play really loud or ....................

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Oct 2012, 12:08 pm
James,

Great demo of the Model T at Audio-One today.  Nicely balanced, good bass and incredible dynamics.  Physically bigger than I thought they would be, I liked the outriggers. 

I could really tell the difference when you played a song with some (not even a huge amount of) compression, I do not recall hearing a speaker that had the same dynamics.  For future demos you may what to have a few tracks that are heavily compressed to highlight how bad some of the recordings are today and to show off the dynamics when you switch to a song with less compression. 

I was impressed.

Hi Jeff,

Glad you enjoyed it  - good idea on the compression demo - I could even compare MP3 to CD vs High Res???

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Oct 2012, 12:54 pm
In order to understand your comments better, how are you defining dynamics - the ability to play really loud or ....................

Hi Bill

It’s an important distinction and worth discussing. 

The ability to play loud is part of the compression equation but generally refers to how loud or the maximum sound pressure level a speaker can achieve before it starts to distort the waveform (Model T is 118 dB).  You can see this in the measurements in some reviews.  So there is definitely a correlation between dynamic compression and how loud a speaker can play… but I think when people refer to ‘lack of Dynamic Compression’ they are referring to how well the speaker responds to high level transient material as well as the ability to maintain the dynamic contrasts in the music. If it compresses the transient dynamics things can start to sound squashed and take on a hard and glassy character. I always remember my first speakers that where Klipschhorns and man when a dynamic transient came along it was REAL WORLD!

Some reviewers test the speakers at 90dB sound pressure level and look at the linearity of the frequency response – if it looks good in some cases they will test the same speaker again at 95dB. For instance Sound Stage Magazine puts this comment in their speaker test info :

PLEASE NOTE: Our standard is to provide the THD+N measurement at 90dB with a measuring distance of 2 meters (within the anechoic chamber). Since this speaker produced low distortion levels under those conditions, we have added a second measurement performed at 95dB to give an indication of performance under higher-output conditions.

In the Model T it was one of the main goals I tried to achieve – I wanted a speaker that could produce real world transients without distortion given current dynamic driver technology.  This meant developing our own drivers of course but in the end you can produce a speaker that performs exactly as you want.  Here are the anechoic measurements of the Model T at 90dB and then at 110dB! – Notice how little change there is in the frequency response even at very high sound pressure levels.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69950)

This means that there is very little compression or distortion going on when those huge dynamics hit and it truly can provide real world dynamics as well as the ability to play at very low levels as well as high levels without changing the dynamic contrasts in the music.

Hope this helps.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: BrystonFan on 28 Oct 2012, 03:49 pm
I can second JeffO's comments concerning the Model T demo at Audio-One. I appreciated the fact that James let the speakers do the "talking", no hi-res material, no mega$ speaker cables, he kept it nice and simple (pair of 7BSST2) and I must say the Model Ts sounded very detailed and clean - a bargain for speakers of this size against some of the other classic hi-end speaker giants in the market today. Well done James!  :thumb:

P.S. Can't wait to get my SP3 (17" Black)  :drool:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 28 Oct 2012, 03:56 pm
Excellent explanation James and yes, that is what I was shooting for.  A speaker that can handle transients at ANY loudness level, especially at low to moderate levels.  It is not often that I listen real loud, but that is what I  find common in most explanations of dynamics.

What I am after (and it appears you too with this design) is the difference between high and low sounds and accurate transient response without compression - at any volume level - correct?  That is what makes music sound real.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JeffO on 28 Oct 2012, 03:57 pm
In order to understand your comments better, how are you defining dynamics - the ability to play really loud or ....................

Most speakers are designed to operate well at normal listening levels but when the volume gets too high or too low the frequency response changes.  When listening to a speaker I find this means that some low level sounds get lost or the high level sounds get distorted or compressed.  James played a number of songs, many hi res, where the volume of the instruments and voices change significantly (I do not mean the volume of the preamp was change but the volume on the recording changes) and the tonal balance stayed the same regardless of the volume. 

The best example of this during the demo was when playing Also Sprach Zarathustra (Theme from 2001) the base drum was clearly audible throughout the recording at moderate listening levels (we could talk over the music).  With most speakers in this price range I cannot hear the drum until the volume is much higher which indicates the speaker is rolling off the bottom end at low volumes. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JeffO on 28 Oct 2012, 04:00 pm
I can second JeffO's comments concerning the Model T demo at Audio-One. I appreciated the fact that James let the speakers do the "talking", no hi-res material, no mega$ speaker cables, he kept it nice and simple (pair of 7BSST2) and I must say the Model Ts sounded very detailed and clean - a bargain for speakers of this size against some of the other classic hi-end speaker giants in the market today. Well done James!  :thumb:

P.S. Can't wait to get my SP3 (17" Black)  :drool:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=59393)

Good choice, do not forget the blue LED's. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Oct 2012, 04:00 pm
Excellent explanation James and yes, that is what I was shooting for.  A speaker that can handle transients at ANY loudness level, especially at low to moderate levels.  It is not often that I listen real loud, but that is what I  find common in most explanations of dynamics.

What I am after (and it appears you too with this design) is the difference between high and low sounds and accurate transient response without compression - at any volume level - correct?  That is what makes music sound real.

I think so as well - the music has a real world feel about it - we have all heard really loud dynamics in our everyday lives and we just know instictively they are not reproduced sounds.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bobNL on 28 Oct 2012, 07:43 pm
True!

When there is live music playing at a house nearby you instantly know its not reproduced but produced.
Would be the biggest complement for a sound system if it sounds like live music from a distance.

Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: brucek on 28 Oct 2012, 08:27 pm
True!

When there is live music playing at a house nearby you instantly know its not reproduced but produced.
Would be the biggest complement for a sound system if it sounds like live music from a distance.

Cheers,
Bob

Yeah, you can be walking down a busy city street, with cars and city workers and people making noise, but when you hear someone playing a piano or a saxaphone in a second story window apartment above you, it's instantly recognizable as being live. Why is that? How are we able to distinguish between that live piano and a stereo system playback?

brucek
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Alphonse on 28 Oct 2012, 10:16 pm
James, I am curious about the Mini T. Is it a sealed box or ported design? If ported is it designed for flat frequency response or is there +-db bump in the 60-80 hz region to accentuate mid bass?

Thanks, Al
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Oct 2012, 10:23 pm
James, I am curious about the Mini T. Is it a sealed box or ported design? If ported is it designed for flat frequency response or is there +-db bump in the 60-80 hz region to accentuate mid bass?

Thanks, Al

Hi Al,

Ported at the rear top but flat frequency response - one of the advantages of a true 3- way. 

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69965) 
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69966)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 29 Oct 2012, 12:08 am
James,,question about the dsp crossover version,,would you consider making a dsp crossover with a digital input and integrated volume control??   With all do respect..would there some theoritical loss of performance from the Dac 2 into the dsp crossover?  Also you're adding another step of transcoding even though done very well!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Oct 2012, 12:19 am
James,,question about the dsp crossover version,,would you consider making a dsp crossover with a digital input and integrated volume control??   With all do respect..would there some theoritical loss of performance from the Dac 2 into the dsp crossover?  Also you're adding another step of transcoding even though done very well!

Yes we have thought about a dedicated preamp crossover in a single box but is probably a ways out.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Nov 2012, 03:48 pm
Pic of Bryston mini t loudspeaker.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70363)

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Nov 2012, 01:32 pm
Hi Folks,

Based on dealer and distributor feedback we are developing a smaller Center channel - Mini T Center

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70590)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70598)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gdbalp on 10 Nov 2012, 06:08 am
Hey James,

Great, this was one complaint I had about the centre speaker.  Do you have the new dimensions of this speaker?

I believe the surrounds are 24" in length and wonder if there is a chance to reduce size to 18"?  Also, can these speakers be oriented on their longest side on a shelf?

On the subwoofer, has there been any developments - active or passive unit? If passive, what kind of amplification would be required - 5b st enough?

Just a general question about impedance of speakers(4 or 8 ohms), can you use both types in a surround configuration without concerns of timber or impedance matching issues?

Ciao, Luigi
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Nov 2012, 12:04 pm
Hey James,

Great, this was one complaint I had about the centre speaker.  Do you have the new dimensions of this speaker?

I believe the surrounds are 24" in length and wonder if there is a chance to reduce size to 18"?  Also, can these speakers be oriented on their longest side on a shelf?

On the subwoofer, has there been any developments - active or passive unit? If passive, what kind of amplification would be required - 5b st enough?

Just a general question about impedance of speakers(4 or 8 ohms), can you use both types in a surround configuration without concerns of timber or impedance matching issues?

Ciao, Luigi

Hi

Will measure the sample pair.

By surrounds are you meaning the Onwalls and Inwalls -  if so I have changed my mind and have decided to develop a new small 3way as the smaller 2way was not capable of the sound pressure levels and matching with the larger Model T's.

On the Subs there will be a passive version and depending on room size I would say between 300 and 600 watts.

The impedances will be nominally 4-6 ohms depending on the speaker.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gdbalp on 10 Nov 2012, 05:08 pm
Hi James,

I was referring to the Bryston mini t speaker, which I believe measure approximately 24" inches in length(height).  What I was asking is if dealers are asking for something smaller in length(height), 18" inches would be great and keep the same performance of this 3 way speaker.

On the passive sub question, 300-600 watts of power is from one or more channels of amplification?

Ciao, Luigi
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Nov 2012, 10:29 pm
Hi James,

I was referring to the Bryston mini t speaker, which I believe measure approximately 24" inches in length(height).  What I was asking is if dealers are asking for something smaller in length(height), 18" inches would be great and keep the same performance of this 3 way speaker.

On the passive sub question, 300-600 watts of power is from one or more channels of amplification?

Ciao, Luigi

Hi

No the Mini T can not get much smaller if I want the frequency response and power handling to be better than your average 2-way.

One channel of amplification per sub.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gdbalp on 12 Nov 2012, 12:01 am
Hi James,

Now I got it too....

Just wondering as you have reduced the size of the centre speaker by mounting the tweeter and midrange above each other.  Could this work for the Mini T speaker as well? This would standardize the speakers and possibility reduce manufacturing costs as well... As you can tell I have space constraints with my present shelves that hold my surround speakers, so it height is reduced than Mini T speaker is an option in future...  :thumb:

Ciao, Luigi
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Nov 2012, 12:57 am
Hi James,

Now I got it too....

Just wondering as you have reduced the size of the centre speaker by mounting the tweeter and midrange above each other.  Could this work for the Mini T speaker as well? This would standardize the speakers and possibility reduce manufacturing costs as well... As you can tell I have space constraints with my present shelves that hold my surround speakers, so it height is reduced than Mini T speaker is an option in future...  :thumb:

Ciao, Luigi

The smaller Center will in fact be bigger the the Mini t and designed to go with the Model T.  A Center channel for the mini t would have to be about the same size with 1 woofer mid and tweeter

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Nov 2012, 04:11 pm
Model T Home Theater package with smaller Mini Center

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70723)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 16 Nov 2012, 07:14 pm
Hi James,
Have you ever thought to add the model T active to this list?
I think it would be a great competitor to the rest as price/value active package.
I see that Linkwitz just added his new LX521 to the list.So I assume you could do it.
http://thewelltemperedcomputer.com/HW/ActiveSpeakers.htm
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Nov 2012, 07:53 pm
Hi James,
Have you ever thought to add the model T active to this list?
I think it would be a great competitor to the rest as price/value active package.
I see that Linkwitz just added his new LX521 to the list.So I assume you could do it.
http://thewelltemperedcomputer.com/HW/ActiveSpeakers.htm

Hi Prelude,

Will do but I have been so backed up getting the Passive and Signature speakers out the door I have just not had time to work on the Active crossover.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Nov 2012, 04:00 pm
Hi Folks

We have about 20 pairs of Model T passive speakers out there now so should be able to provide some feedback for you soon.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Nov 2012, 04:53 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71359)

Inner Ear Magazine

Nov 2012

Bryston shipped the Model T speaker over to my house and I am driving it (them) right now. It's actually one large pair of loudspeaker weighing in at about 100 pounds each.
I have had recent discussions of specs and their correlation to the listening experience— specs vs listening.

This is one of the rare occasions where measurements actually show precision and this was confirmed with my preliminary listening tests with the Bryston Model T speakers.

So far, I am delighted with this exceptional design . . . more to come very soon . .

Ernie Fisher
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Nov 2012, 05:44 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71360)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: KeithA on 26 Nov 2012, 06:07 pm
Hi Folks

We have about 20 pairs of Model T passive speakers out there now so should be able to provide some feedback for you soon.

James

Wow...I haven't been around in a while and looked what I missed  :)

James, what is the MSRP of these things with the real wood veneer upgrade?

Keith
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Nov 2012, 06:16 pm
Wow...I haven't been around in a while and looked what I missed  :)

James, what is the MSRP of these things with the real wood veneer upgrade?

Keith

$6495 per pair in vinyl finish and $1000 per pair more in real wood finish US suggested list.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Nov 2012, 06:20 pm
Ernie Fisher
Inner Ear Report .... Update!


Well, guys, I have the Model Ts playing in my listening room for a couple of days.

Don't know about the speakers, but I can tell you that Beethoven never sounded better, Jimmy Smith lives here as well. I drive them with 7B SST Squared monos and a Modwright preamp. A pair of very expensive speaker cables and interconnects serve as the wiring.

All that sounds — well, refined and expensive and not at all indicative of the Model T's rather reasonable price tag. Keep tuned . . .
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: KeithA on 26 Nov 2012, 06:22 pm
$6495 per pair in vinyl finish and $1000 per pair more in real wood finish US suggested list.

james

Thanks James

Keith
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JeffO on 26 Nov 2012, 08:00 pm
$6495 per pair in vinyl finish and $1000 per pair more in real wood finish US suggested list.

james

James,

What are the real wood finishes available and have you made any yet (do not want to be the first and would like some pictures)? 

Jeff
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Nov 2012, 08:03 pm
James,

What are the real wood finishes available and have you made any yet (do not want to be the first and would like some pictures)? 

Jeff

It is running about 50/50 on orders for vinyl and real wood - we are just starting to release the real wood now and the speakers we had at the Toronto Show where in real wood.  I think it would be impossible to tell in a picture vinyl from real wood.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JeffO on 26 Nov 2012, 08:10 pm
I think it would be impossible to tell in a picture vinyl from real wood.

james

That may be true but I still like to  :drool: while looking at the monitor   :o. 

Where can I find the real wood finishes available?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Nov 2012, 08:23 pm
That may be true but I still like to  :drool: while looking at the monitor   :o. 

Where can I find the real wood finishes available?

Email me and I will send you the brochure - jamestanner@bryston.com   

Standard finish is Black Ash, Natural Cherry and Boston Cherry.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: srb on 26 Nov 2012, 08:45 pm
Email me and I will send you the brochure - jamestanner@bryston.com

Is it a different brochure than is posted on the Bryston website?
http://www.bryston.com/PDF/brochures/MODEL_T_PASSIVE_BROCHURE.pdf (http://www.bryston.com/PDF/brochures/MODEL_T_PASSIVE_BROCHURE.pdf)
 
Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Nov 2012, 08:55 pm

Is it a different brochure than is posted on the Bryston website?
http://www.bryston.com/PDF/brochures/MODEL_T_PASSIVE_BROCHURE.pdf (http://www.bryston.com/PDF/brochures/MODEL_T_PASSIVE_BROCHURE.pdf)
 
Steve

Same one Steve - it shows the 3 basic colours

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JeffO on 27 Nov 2012, 12:23 am
Email me and I will send you the brochure - jamestanner@bryston.com   

Standard finish is Black Ash, Natural Cherry and Boston Cherry.

james

It's Monday so I am a little slow.  Are the 3 colours available in vinyl and real wood or is the Black Ash vinyl and the cherry real wood? 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Nov 2012, 12:54 am
It's Monday so I am a little slow.  Are the 3 colours available in vinyl and real wood or is the Black Ash vinyl and the cherry real wood?

Hi

All three colours available in vinyl or real wood.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Nov 2012, 01:02 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71439)


INNER EAR MAGAZINE - update>

Today is the 5th day of listening to Bryston's Model T loudspeakers.

They have been breaking in and getting better and better. What I am hearing resembles another pair of great loudspeakers — my own Ethera Vitaes.

Both designs have achieved a sonic see-through quality whereby the end result (the quality of music reproduction) depends greatly on the electronics used to drive the loudspeakers. I think that is great!

Ernie Fisher
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spinner on 27 Nov 2012, 01:10 pm
 :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Nov 2012, 01:35 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: First Impressions on Bryston Model T Loudspeakers


First Impressions – Bryston Model T Speakers (Nov 2012)

With slightly over twenty-four hours of run-in time, the Bryston Model Ts have really impressed me in the following ways:

•   First - The full range capability is unmistakable!  The low frequency clarity and energy are quite remarkable. The model Ts allow me, for the first time, to experience very low frequency information on several of my favorite recordings. This is really substantial considering these speakers retail for $6,500 a pair in the USA.

•   Second - The clarity, openness, and airiness of the top octaves are exceptional. The listening room is filled with these qualities especially on well recorded material. This enables a much wider sweet spot than I have been accustom to.

•   Third - The upper bass and lower midrange fullness, punch, and clarity are very noteworthy. These aspects inject new life and vitality to the music.

•   Fourth - The overall frequency range exhibits great clarity and excellent focus. This compares favorably with the latest generation of popular panel speakers but with substantially lower frequency capability.

•   Fifth - The speaker placement has not been fussy to get great sound. I was able to get the model Ts making great music with the minimum of effort.

•   Sixth - Model T speakers easily compete with speakers costing considerable more.

•   Please note - Be sure to experiment with the provided isolation feet, spikes, and your favorite footers. You will be rewarded many times over with improved sound.

After full run-in is completed, I will report my follow-up listening results.


Dan - DLE Design inc.


*** Disclaimer - I am a Southern California audio dealer that proudly sells Bryston products.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 28 Nov 2012, 08:02 am
Great James,

Can't wait to hear them on our side of the pond! Any idea when that could be. Would buy them unseen and undemo'd but guess you would not approve of that...

Cheers Marius
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Nov 2012, 11:15 am
Great James,

Can't wait to hear them on our side of the pond! Any idea when that could be. Would buy them unseen and undemo'd but guess you would not approve of that...

Cheers Marius

Hi Marius

We have sold all we can make so far in NAmerica but our Export manager is talking to a few distributors now and hope to have some avaiable in January.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 28 Nov 2012, 11:56 am
 :thumb: :thumb:

Hi Marius

We have sold all we can make so far in NAmerica but our Export manager is talking to a few distributors now and hope to have some avaiable in January.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Levi on 28 Nov 2012, 03:03 pm
Bryston speakers looks interesting. Can't wait to comparing it with my PMC speakers.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 28 Nov 2012, 05:24 pm

I have been lucky enough to get a chance, to compare my Ib2i's, to the Model T's.   :D

Color is Boston Cherry. Only have about 10 hours on them.

I have to use my laptop into the SP3 for now, as I am waiting for my BDP-2.

James, what is a good break-in time, before some serious listening.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71511)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Nov 2012, 06:24 pm
"James, what is a good break-in time, before some serious listening. "

Break in for 'you' or the Model T's  :lol:

james

PS = nice setup :thumb:
Where are you located?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 28 Nov 2012, 07:31 pm

I'm already broke/broken, so the Model T's.

I'm the(PITA) Located in Winnipeg, Bill M. has aided me with my addiction.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Nov 2012, 08:27 pm
I'm already broke/broken, so the Model T's.

I'm the(PITA) Located in Winnipeg, Bill M. has aided me with my addiction.

OK great - should be a very interesting comparison.

There is not much break-in required as we pre-power all the drivers and run them for a while - I would say give it 30 hours or so.
Also we run each pair through the anechoic chamber to make sure all is well.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Don_S on 28 Nov 2012, 08:45 pm
James,

Will Bryston loudspeakers be exhibited at either CES or T.H.E. Show in January?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Nov 2012, 08:50 pm
James,

Will Bryston loudspeakers be exhibited at either CES or T.H.E. Show in January?

No Sorry Don - this happened at a faster pace than I assumed (in fact it happened when I had no intention that it would) so we had already made arrangements to share rooms with Thiel and Magnepan.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Don_S on 28 Nov 2012, 08:54 pm
James,

Thank you for the prompt response.  I am curious.  What other things are you "not intending" to do?  :lol:

No Sorry Don - this happened at a faster pace than I assumed (in fact it happened when I had no intention that it would) so we had already made arrangements to share rooms with Thiel and Magnepan.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Nov 2012, 08:59 pm
James,

Thank you for the prompt response.  I am curious.  What other things are you "not intending" to do?  :lol:

It is funny how life just seems to come along and take you in a direction you never intended  :duh:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Nov 2012, 09:24 pm
The Bryston Model T

A Daring Venture:

Bryston's new Model T speaker is not only something new on the horizon, it's also something of a daring initiative undertaken by a company that has established a world-wide reputation by making highly regarded audio equipment for the professional and residential markets.

The company has taken a leap - especially a leap of faith - by entering the intensely competitive speaker market in a challenging price range and at challenging time for audio makers and sellers.  The basic passive cross-over Model T retails for $6495 US.
With diminishing numbers of specialty stores catering to customers in this price range, particularly ones willing to keep products on hand, Bryston would appear to have made another daring leap, namely to clad its basic model in vinyl, something that I don't think other manufacturers have attempted for products set at this price level. It would appear Bryston may be ahead of the curve by recognizing that most customers going to one of its dealers are most likely to order the Model T, and those who want real wood laminate finishes will order these at an extra $1000. Others will see the vinyl finish is top notch. My Model T, even up close, and side-by-side, is indistinguishable from the wood veneer on my $24,000 PMC MB2i speakers. If would-be customers have demoed the Model T carefully, they will conclude, as I have, that the critical real thing about the Model T is how it performs.

So Bryston, long believed to be a conservative company, would seem to be taking something of a gamble in this new venture, and in the way it's doing it.
But Bryston is also a smart firm, so it has hedged its bets by collaborating with a well-established speaker maker, Axiom Audio, which also is based in Ontario, Canada. Not only has Axiom proved itself in its field, but it also shares key common engineering and corporate values with Bryston.
Both Bryston and Axiom believe strongly in designing products that produce the highest possible accuracy in sound reproduction, and in the process of developing them they test, test, test. The goal is to make audio components produce music that is as close to the real thing as possible. In effect, what these companies want is to have what they make to disappear from the listener's perspective. They want me to get caught up in Miles Davis' playing, not in how the gear sounds.
Axiom has rich experience and depth in designing, engineering and testing speakers. Bryston, because it wants its electronic equipment to bring out the best in all speakers, has had to know how speakers sound, which means that it has depth and knowledge about speaker performance.

The Bryston/Axiom match sure looks like one made in heaven to me.

Biases and Preferences:

Before getting down to the nitty gritty of the Model T, it's only fair to state my biases and preferences.

•   First, I love Bryston equipment. I've been using its audio products for over 30 years. They invariably have exceeded my expectations, and this was one of the reasons that bet my money on its speaker gamble.
•   Second, my own bet on the Model T, admittedly, like Bryson's bet, was a hedged one.

I own an Axiom M80 tower speakers. Readers and members of the AudioCircle may recall that I wrote a lengthy assessment of these speakers as compared to my PMC MB2i speakers. My startling conclusion was that the M80s are more linear, meaning tonally balanced, and accurate. It was psychologically, and financially, painful to find that the $1500 M80s, to my ear, sounded better than my great PMCs that carry a price tag that is more than 15 time higher. It was a bittersweet revelation, but I learned a lot from it.

•   First, I never again will fall into the trap of assuming, as many audiophiles do, that price equals performance.
•   Second, I discovered that Axiom is, like Bryston, dedicated more to the performance of its product than to a desired price-point.
•   Third, I learned that Axiom makes terrific speakers on par with some of the best in the business.
•   Fourth, I was dramtically pulled back to my roots in assessing and owning speakers.

All speakers have some kind of sound signature. The MB2is are, still, in my mind, wonderful, but their signature includes a very full, rich bottom end, and somewhat recessed and rounded-off high end. But given those two traits, my perception is that they are tilted to the low end. For this reason, they seem less tonally balanced to me than the M80s that are not biased toward any frequency range.

That bias may be just what some listeners want. But it wasn't what I was looking for when I started buying audio equipment seriously well over 40 years ago. I looked for tonally balanced speakers. I shied away from JBLs because they seemed biased to the mid range. I briefly owned  Boston speakers. I returned them when I found them much too boomy.

I've owned Epicure Quads, way back, two different Mission models, the highly praised Hales Revelation III, PMC IB2s, MB2s, B&W 685w, and as I have said, the MB2is. Over that time, I gradually developed a taste for less than tonally balanced speakers.

The M80 grabbed me by the ears and brought me back to my original preference and goal, making it, overall, the most satisfying speaker I owned. Until now.
When I heard that Bryston and Axiom were teaming up on a new speaker, I just knew it eventually would be sitting in my sound room, if I could afford them.

The Model T:

I am not a believer of the breaking-in of speakers in the sense that the speakers, in and of themselves, have to be broken in. My experience with speakers has made me a member of the school of thought that breaking in has more to do with the listener becoming accustomed to a new sound signature over a period of time.
I knew before I received the Model T that this kind of breaking in period would be greatly foreshortened. I did not expect the sound signature to be dramatically different than that of the M80. I already was "broken-in" to the sound signature.

With a larger box, as well as larger and more numerous bass drivers (3 eight inch ones), I expected there to be much more bass with the Model T. But I was concerned that in making the Model T more of a powerhouse in the bass end, the excellent tonal balance of the M80 might have been sacrificed. For me, the question was this: Will the Model T have the tonal imbalance I found in the MB2i?
Quick answer: No way. These are superbly balanced speakers.

Appearance:

Not surprisingly, the Model T looks very much like the Model T, only taller. A lot taller at 52 inches. And they are heavy. At 108 pounds they are the same weight as my MB2is, which cannot be moved by a single person with less than extraordinary strength. I suspect that the size of the box as well as the bass drivers are what do the most to separate the Model T from its smaller cousin, the M80.

I like my speakers black, to match my equipment. The vinyl cover on my Model Ts look just fine to me. I happen to like plain, unobtrusive designs in audio equipment. I was surprised to see that each speaker has four dust covers. When they are used, the divisions between them add a small touch of elegance and distinction. But my dust covers are off. I learned that my M80s sound a tad better without dust covers.

Like all Axiom and Bryston equipment, there is nothing glitzy about the overall design. For those who are looking for marvellous furniture (yes, Wilson is what I have in mind) or theatrical curves and configurations, look elsewhere. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so I haven't a clue what others might think of the look of the Model T. My guess is that most users, especially audiophiles who will be using them often with their eyes closed, will find their appearance more than acceptable.

Listening:

Equipment used: Bryston 7BSST Squared monoblocks, Bryston BP preamp, Bryston BDA-1 DAC, Bryston BDP-1 Digital Player, Transparent Wave speaker cable, all other interconnects, good basic cable. All music sources are files ripped from CDs. Volume, just above 9:00.

My favourite test cuts:
•   Dave Brubeck, Take Five: The music fills the room. Paul Desmond's opening alto sax is well-centred on the soundstage and the sax has the patented Desmond smoothness. The acoustic bass is full and rich without the least bit of flab or boominess. The drum work is what I like the most on this cut. Played from the centre to the left, it has lots of slam (more than the M80) - visceral. The cymbals are bright and clear. The snare drum tucks up in the corner of the room, and has the hard strike I look for. Lots of depth, and the imaging is very, very precise and stable.
•   Roy Brown, Starbucks Blues: Roy Brown's always rich acoustic bass is very much on display on this cut. It shows off what a speaker can do in the bass end. In the opening passages, at this modest volume, the room shakes with the Model T. The M80 and MB2i are very good. This is much better.
•   Max Roach, Max's Variations: A drum set solo from one of the best ever. He uses everything at his disposal in a stunning performance. If you like drums, cymbals and cow bells, all played to perfection, this is the cut to use. And the Model T reproduces it to perfection. The drum set "is in the room."
•   Fleetwood Max, Dreams. Great crashing cymbals in the opening passages. I like the crystal breaking sound of this opening cymbal work. The M80 does this well. The

Model T does it better - more controlled, more life-like.

•   Miles Davis, So What (from Kinda of Blue): My only reservation about the M80 is that on some program material, its very accurate tweeters reproduce some cuts and sounds in a way that I hear a rasp that sounds like distortion. It isn't, but it is not a pleasant sound. It is especially irritating in the opening passages of So What. At this volume, a volume that fills the room, it is barely detectable, and even then only because, I suspect, because I'm looking for it. Miles never sounded better. The brassiness of his trumpet comes across with an edge I haven't heard before.
•   Paul Bley & Jimmy Guiffre, Owl Eyes. The low end of the opening piano passage makes the instrument  sound "in the room" with the MB2i, but not so much with the M80. That marvellous effect is back with the Model T, but with greater authority in the higher registers.
•   Dave Grusin, Theme from St. Elsewhere: I have been using this cut to test new speakers for decades. It is electronic music. I look for the piston-like sound of the bass section, but I don't want it to overwhelm the other parts of the piece. If speakers don't send a chill through me when listening to this, then they may be good, but not what I'm looking for. With the Model T, St. Elsewhere is now pretty much all chills. Fabulous! (Ditto Special EFX, Dancing with a Ghost - especially hard drum strikes.)
•   Airto Moreira & The Gods of Jazz, Nevermind (from a Stereophile Test disc): Great acoustic bass on this one. On the Model T it is full, rich, very powerful, and excellently controlled.
•   Pink Floyd, High Hopes: The birds in the opening passage sound as if they have been released into my room. Never heard this better. The vocals are clearer than they ever have been. This is especially satisfying given that the near-overproduction of this song can make it hard to hear the lyrics. I love the bell at the end of the piece. I look for it to move gradually to the right until it fades backward into the far corner. With the Model T it is walked back brilliantly.
•   Bonnie Raitt, I Can't Make You Love Me, Eric Clapton, Old Love, James Taylor, Mexico, Sara K. If I Could Sing Your Blues(High Resolution), Renee Fleming, River Songs (Great piece from the Grusin/Ritenour Two Worlds album): The Model T handles singers markedly better than does the M80. The slight edge on voices of the M80 is almost entirely gone. Their voices are fuller and sweeter. Not as sweet as on the MB2is, but they are more life-like.
•   Internet Radio: I often listen to Dinner Jazz Excursion (128kbs), an Internet radio station which I play over the BDP-1. This is not the highest quality for a source. It probably is MP3. But the jazz mix is just what I like, and the overall sound is somewhat smoother than my CD-based sources. This makes for excellent background music when I am reading. Still, if the music is engaging, and the audio is right, even this poorer source will have the effect of forcing me to turn from my reading and pay attention. Both the M80 and the Model T have this effect, which is another sign to me of special speakers. My guess is that the Model T will have me doing more listening and less reading in the days ahead.

Summing Up:

Taken my listening experience altogether, I find the Model T to be extraordinary.
I was told by its builders that the Model T was like the M80, but on steroids.  I disagree to this extent. It is powerful, filling my room to be sure, but it does more than that just make the Model T sound more muscular. It makes it more refined. More authoritative.
The bass extension truly makes a significant difference, without losing the great balance/linearity of the M80 This adds to the M80 an important sound characteristic I missed in moving from my PMC MB2is, namely weight. Excellent.

But this bass is a refined bass. Not boomy, flabby, "brassy". Very controlled, but with guts.

The added bass extension, I believe, gives the speaker this refinement over the M80: in a way it's even more balanced - the mid range and treble, while not being overwhelmed by the terrific bass, are better defined, and more attractive. Human voices are sweeter. They, too, have greater weight and sound more authentic.
The Model T has is great depth to the soundstage, and its imaging is even more pin-point accurate than the excellent imaging of the M80.
The Model T has not eliminated the occasional high-end harshness I find on the M80 altogether, but it is greatly reduced, perhaps because the tweeters now sit well above ear level. On the other hand, because I've sensitized myself to this issue, the detection of this sound just might be a quirk of mine rather than that of the speaker's. I wouldn't doubt that I might be among a very few to even notice its presence.

The Model T, in my opinion is not just a good speaker. It is outstanding. I think it is a great one. The greatest? My Passive version is supposed to be trumped by the higher priced Active model, which also requires a considerable investment in additional amplification, cabling, etc. If the Model T is an indication of how good the Model T can be, then perhaps the Active version just might be the greatest. Since I am of the age when I no longer have the prospect of a rich uncle dying and leaving me a bundle, I'll never know.

But this I do know. Through the years I've spent a fortune on speakers and this indisputably is the best one I've owned.
The Axiom M80 comes in a strong second place, and for that reason is well worth considering for a main audio system by the budge conscious buyers who want accuracy in sound reproduction. But the Model T, greatest or not, most certainly is the best speaker I've ever owned.

I see the level of its performance as being all summed up in the name.

It reproduces music to a T.

DaveNote

ADDENDUM

From: Davenote
Sent: November-30-12 8:34 AM
Subject: Addendum to My Review


These are impossibly great rock speakers. I spent the day listening to my old favourites, which date me a lot. They hark back to the days before Rock died. Some are quite ancient. They include early Fleetwood Mac, the Doobie Brothers, Chicago, Simon and Garfunkel, James Taylor, Steely Dan, Foreigner, Carly Simon,  Supertramp and, yes, even Gary Wright (OMG!). And many more.

A number of these cuts weren't recorded very well. Hearing them through the Model T is, I swear, as if they have all been skillfully remastered over night. Listening to U2's Joshua Tree, for instance, with these speakers makes its great songs come alive in a way they never were for me before.

Third, I noticed in my original review how well the Model T handles lower quality material like Internet radio. This presents a new opportunity for me, and perhaps others.

As an audiophile, I have been reluctant to go downscale in the quality of source material. But buying CDs is becoming more difficult: finding fewer in the stores of interest to me or waiting for delivery from online stores. And High Resolution is no where near prime time for me. The selection of music is too limited for my tastes in music, the albums are expensive, and doing hi rez is not simple. Hey, I got into digital music to end disc flipping, to make listening to music easy, not to become a computer geek.

Anyway, after all these years, last week, I bought my first iTunes album. I couldn't resist Philippe Saisse's cover of Steely Dan's Do It Again. With the Model T this ordinary downloaded MP3 recording is over-the-top good.

Conclusion: after years of slowing my acquisition of music, these speakers will get me back to lower cost, easy music purchasing. With the marvelous "T" I'm going to be adding many more iTunes albums to my collection. I'm thinking - Dave, you now can get the Stanley Jordan, Lyle Lovett and Tord Gustavsen CD albums that I put on my Amazon wish lists but hesitated to buy, all with a click. Gratification is terrific, bested only by instant gratification.

In many ways, then, this has been for me, after 40 years of buying audio gear, one of my much sought-after events as an audiophile - a breakthrough purchase that makes not incremental, but dramatic changes.

Some have asked what the "T" stands for.

If you hear these speakers, the answer will be obvious - "Thrilling".
 
Davenote

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Levi on 28 Nov 2012, 10:57 pm
Great writeup.  I was almost convinced about the Model T without even listening.  But, I don't even know DaveNote?!?  Who is he affiliated with?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Nov 2012, 11:00 pm
Great writeup.  I was almost convinced about the Model T without even listening.  But, I don't even know DaveNote?!?  Who is he affiliated with?

Just your average everyday audiophile - well maybe not average  :thumb: :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Levi on 29 Nov 2012, 12:05 am
Nothing wrong with that.  :thumb: 

I am a fan of full-range sounding speakers.  Definitely the Model T will be on my short list.  Center channel is huge!



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71533)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 29 Nov 2012, 12:50 am

James,

Was the Model T passive always supposed to be only bi-wireable, or was it originally going to be Tri-wireable.

Also is the Large Centre still an option.  If so, can my dealer order one, and what would be the expected delivery time.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Nov 2012, 12:54 am
James,

Was the Model T passive always supposed to be only bi-wireable, or was it originally going to be Tri-wireable.

Also is the Large Centre still an option.  If so, can my dealer order one, and what would be the expected delivery time.


The Passive is bi- wire- able whereas the Signature and Active is Tri- wire- able.  The large Center will be available at the end of December.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: FireGuy on 29 Nov 2012, 02:01 am
See below.  Well said.  You have my total endorsement.  Especially that price equals performance.

•   First, I never again will fall into the trap of assuming, as many audiophiles do, that price equals performance.
•   Second, I discovered that Axiom is, like Bryston, dedicated more to the performance of its product than to a desired price-point.
•   Third, I learned that Axiom makes terrific speakers on par with some of the best in the business.
•   Fourth, I was dramtically pulled back to my roots in assessing and owning speakers.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jbwhitlock on 29 Nov 2012, 02:01 am
James....the Model T were delivered today and I like to say well done  :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71536)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Nov 2012, 02:03 am
James....the Model T were delivered today and I like to say well done  :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71536)

Thanks  - looks like we need some outrigger stands for the Model T 's in that terrific room.  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jbwhitlock on 29 Nov 2012, 02:08 am
I was thinking the same thing.....your thoughts?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Nov 2012, 02:12 am
I was thinking the same thing.....your thoughts?

Yes they look great and add a bit more stability to the speakers.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Nov 2012, 12:21 pm
Also try the cone shaped spikes that came with the speakers  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 29 Nov 2012, 02:01 pm
Thanks  - looks like we need some outrigger stands for the Model T 's in that terrific room.  :thumb:

James

James,

Who are the outrigger stands made by. Link?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Nov 2012, 03:30 pm
James,

Who are the outrigger stands made by. Link?

Made by us at Bryston

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 29 Nov 2012, 04:15 pm

Hmmm, I don't see them on your site. Maybe i am blind.

Do you have any pics, prices.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Nov 2012, 04:50 pm
Hmmm, I don't see them on your site. Maybe i am blind.

Do you have any pics, prices.

Not there yet on our website - sorry for that confusion - used them at the audio show in Toronto and everyone loved the look - should have stock at mid Dec.  Retail per pair will be $400.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71553)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jbwhitlock on 30 Nov 2012, 04:20 am
Model T's fueled by 28B SST2  :D :D :D
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71590)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Nov 2012, 04:55 am
Great shot Jeff - thanks - much appreciated.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 30 Nov 2012, 04:59 pm

James,

Are the large center's going to be available in the Signature Series or Active Series?

Or, are the Signature series and Active series going to be dedicated just to the Model T.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Nov 2012, 06:00 pm
James,

Are the large center's going to be available in the Signature Series or Active Series?

Or, are the Signature series and Active series going to be dedicated just to the Model T.

I think for now the Center will be with built in crossover only to keep thinks simple.

james


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71604)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71605)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 2 Dec 2012, 02:39 am
The Bryston Model T

A Daring Venture:

Bryston's new Model T speaker is not only something new on the horizon, it's also something of a daring initiative undertaken by a company that has established a world-wide reputation by making highly regarded audio equipment for the professional and residential markets.

The company has taken a leap - especially a leap of faith - by entering the intensely competitive speaker market in a challenging price range and at challenging time for audio makers and sellers.  The basic passive cross-over Model T retails for $6495 US.
With diminishing numbers of specialty stores catering to customers in this price range, particularly ones willing to keep products on hand, Bryston would appear to have made another daring leap, namely to clad its basic model in vinyl, something that I don't think other manufacturers have attempted for products set at this price level. It would appear Bryston may be ahead of the curve by recognizing that most customers going to one of its dealers are most likely to order the Model T, and those who want real wood laminate finishes will order these at an extra $1000. Others will see the vinyl finish is top notch. My Model T, even up close, and side-by-side, is indistinguishable from the wood veneer on my $24,000 PMC MB2i speakers. If would-be customers have demoed the Model T carefully, they will conclude, as I have, that the critical real thing about the Model T is how it performs.

So Bryston, long believed to be a conservative company, would seem to be taking something of a gamble in this new venture, and in the way it's doing it.
But Bryston is also a smart firm, so it has hedged its bets by collaborating with a well-established speaker maker, Axiom Audio, which also is based in Ontario, Canada. Not only has Axiom proved itself in its field, but it also shares key common engineering and corporate values with Bryston.
Both Bryston and Axiom believe strongly in designing products that produce the highest possible accuracy in sound reproduction, and in the process of developing them they test, test, test. The goal is to make audio components produce music that is as close to the real thing as possible. In effect, what these companies want is to have what they make to disappear from the listener's perspective. They want me to get caught up in Miles Davis' playing, not in how the gear sounds.
Axiom has rich experience and depth in designing, engineering and testing speakers. Bryston, because it wants its electronic equipment to bring out the best in all speakers, has had to know how speakers sound, which means that it has depth and knowledge about speaker performance.

The Bryston/Axiom match sure looks like one made in heaven to me.

Biases and Preferences:

Before getting down to the nitty gritty of the Model T, it's only fair to state my biases and preferences.

•   First, I love Bryston equipment. I've been using its audio products for over 30 years. They invariably have exceeded my expectations, and this was one of the reasons that bet my money on its speaker gamble.
•   Second, my own bet on the Model T, admittedly, like Bryson's bet, was a hedged one.

I own an Axiom M80 tower speakers. Readers and members of the AudioCircle may recall that I wrote a lengthy assessment of these speakers as compared to my PMC MB2i speakers. My startling conclusion was that the M80s are more linear, meaning tonally balanced, and accurate. It was psychologically, and financially, painful to find that the $1500 M80s, to my ear, sounded better than my great PMCs that carry a price tag that is more than 15 time higher. It was a bittersweet revelation, but I learned a lot from it.

•   First, I never again will fall into the trap of assuming, as many audiophiles do, that price equals performance.
•   Second, I discovered that Axiom is, like Bryston, dedicated more to the performance of its product than to a desired price-point.
•   Third, I learned that Axiom makes terrific speakers on par with some of the best in the business.
•   Fourth, I was dramtically pulled back to my roots in assessing and owning speakers.

All speakers have some kind of sound signature. The MB2is are, still, in my mind, wonderful, but their signature includes a very full, rich bottom end, and somewhat recessed and rounded-off high end. But given those two traits, my perception is that they are tilted to the low end. For this reason, they seem less tonally balanced to me than the M80s that are not biased toward any frequency range.

That bias may be just what some listeners want. But it wasn't what I was looking for when I started buying audio equipment seriously well over 40 years ago. I looked for tonally balanced speakers. I shied away from JBLs because they seemed biased to the mid range. I briefly owned  Boston speakers. I returned them when I found them much too boomy.

I've owned Epicure Quads, way back, two different Mission models, the highly praised Hales Revelation III, PMC IB2s, MB2s, B&W 685w, and as I have said, the MB2is. Over that time, I gradually developed a taste for less than tonally balanced speakers.

The M80 grabbed me by the ears and brought me back to my original preference and goal, making it, overall, the most satisfying speaker I owned. Until now.
When I heard that Bryston and Axiom were teaming up on a new speaker, I just knew it eventually would be sitting in my sound room, if I could afford them.

The Model T:

I am not a believer of the breaking-in of speakers in the sense that the speakers, in and of themselves, have to be broken in. My experience with speakers has made me a member of the school of thought that breaking in has more to do with the listener becoming accustomed to a new sound signature over a period of time.
I knew before I received the Model T that this kind of breaking in period would be greatly foreshortened. I did not expect the sound signature to be dramatically different than that of the M80. I already was "broken-in" to the sound signature.

With a larger box, as well as larger and more numerous bass drivers (3 eight inch ones), I expected there to be much more bass with the Model T. But I was concerned that in making the Model T more of a powerhouse in the bass end, the excellent tonal balance of the M80 might have been sacrificed. For me, the question was this: Will the Model T have the tonal imbalance I found in the MB2i?
Quick answer: No way. These are superbly balanced speakers.

Appearance:

Not surprisingly, the Model T looks very much like the Model T, only taller. A lot taller at 52 inches. And they are heavy. At 108 pounds they are the same weight as my MB2is, which cannot be moved by a single person with less than extraordinary strength. I suspect that the size of the box as well as the bass drivers are what do the most to separate the Model T from its smaller cousin, the M80.

I like my speakers black, to match my equipment. The vinyl cover on my Model Ts look just fine to me. I happen to like plain, unobtrusive designs in audio equipment. I was surprised to see that each speaker has four dust covers. When they are used, the divisions between them add a small touch of elegance and distinction. But my dust covers are off. I learned that my M80s sound a tad better without dust covers.

Like all Axiom and Bryston equipment, there is nothing glitzy about the overall design. For those who are looking for marvellous furniture (yes, Wilson is what I have in mind) or theatrical curves and configurations, look elsewhere. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so I haven't a clue what others might think of the look of the Model T. My guess is that most users, especially audiophiles who will be using them often with their eyes closed, will find their appearance more than acceptable.

Listening:

Equipment used: Bryston 7BSST Squared monoblocks, Bryston BP preamp, Bryston BDA-1 DAC, Bryston BDP-1 Digital Player, Transparent Wave speaker cable, all other interconnects, good basic cable. All music sources are files ripped from CDs. Volume, just above 9:00.

My favourite test cuts:
•   Dave Brubeck, Take Five: The music fills the room. Paul Desmond's opening alto sax is well-centred on the soundstage and the sax has the patented Desmond smoothness. The acoustic bass is full and rich without the least bit of flab or boominess. The drum work is what I like the most on this cut. Played from the centre to the left, it has lots of slam (more than the M80) - visceral. The cymbals are bright and clear. The snare drum tucks up in the corner of the room, and has the hard strike I look for. Lots of depth, and the imaging is very, very precise and stable.
•   Roy Brown, Starbucks Blues: Roy Brown's always rich acoustic bass is very much on display on this cut. It shows off what a speaker can do in the bass end. In the opening passages, at this modest volume, the room shakes with the Model T. The M80 and MB2i are very good. This is much better.
•   Max Roach, Max's Variations: A drum set solo from one of the best ever. He uses everything at his disposal in a stunning performance. If you like drums, cymbals and cow bells, all played to perfection, this is the cut to use. And the Model T reproduces it to perfection. The drum set "is in the room."
•   Fleetwood Max, Dreams. Great crashing cymbals in the opening passages. I like the crystal breaking sound of this opening cymbal work. The M80 does this well. The

Model T does it better - more controlled, more life-like.

•   Miles Davis, So What (from Kinda of Blue): My only reservation about the M80 is that on some program material, its very accurate tweeters reproduce some cuts and sounds in a way that I hear a rasp that sounds like distortion. It isn't, but it is not a pleasant sound. It is especially irritating in the opening passages of So What. At this volume, a volume that fills the room, it is barely detectable, and even then only because, I suspect, because I'm looking for it. Miles never sounded better. The brassiness of his trumpet comes across with an edge I haven't heard before.
•   Paul Bley & Jimmy Guiffre, Owl Eyes. The low end of the opening piano passage makes the instrument  sound "in the room" with the MB2i, but not so much with the M80. That marvellous effect is back with the Model T, but with greater authority in the higher registers.
•   Dave Grusin, Theme from St. Elsewhere: I have been using this cut to test new speakers for decades. It is electronic music. I look for the piston-like sound of the bass section, but I don't want it to overwhelm the other parts of the piece. If speakers don't send a chill through me when listening to this, then they may be good, but not what I'm looking for. With the Model T, St. Elsewhere is now pretty much all chills. Fabulous! (Ditto Special EFX, Dancing with a Ghost - especially hard drum strikes.)
•   Airto Moreira & The Gods of Jazz, Nevermind (from a Stereophile Test disc): Great acoustic bass on this one. On the Model T it is full, rich, very powerful, and excellently controlled.
•   Pink Floyd, High Hopes: The birds in the opening passage sound as if they have been released into my room. Never heard this better. The vocals are clearer than they ever have been. This is especially satisfying given that the near-overproduction of this song can make it hard to hear the lyrics. I love the bell at the end of the piece. I look for it to move gradually to the right until it fades backward into the far corner. With the Model T it is walked back brilliantly.
•   Bonnie Raitt, I Can't Make You Love Me, Eric Clapton, Old Love, James Taylor, Mexico, Sara K. If I Could Sing Your Blues(High Resolution), Renee Fleming, River Songs (Great piece from the Grusin/Ritenour Two Worlds album): The Model T handles singers markedly better than does the M80. The slight edge on voices of the M80 is almost entirely gone. Their voices are fuller and sweeter. Not as sweet as on the MB2is, but they are more life-like.
•   Internet Radio: I often listen to Dinner Jazz Excursion (128kbs), an Internet radio station which I play over the BDP-1. This is not the highest quality for a source. It probably is MP3. But the jazz mix is just what I like, and the overall sound is somewhat smoother than my CD-based sources. This makes for excellent background music when I am reading. Still, if the music is engaging, and the audio is right, even this poorer source will have the effect of forcing me to turn from my reading and pay attention. Both the M80 and the Model T have this effect, which is another sign to me of special speakers. My guess is that the Model T will have me doing more listening and less reading in the days ahead.

Summing Up:

Taken my listening experience altogether, I find the Model T to be extraordinary.
I was told by its builders that the Model T was like the M80, but on steroids.  I disagree to this extent. It is powerful, filling my room to be sure, but it does more than that just make the Model T sound more muscular. It makes it more refined. More authoritative.
The bass extension truly makes a significant difference, without losing the great balance/linearity of the M80 This adds to the M80 an important sound characteristic I missed in moving from my PMC MB2is, namely weight. Excellent.

But this bass is a refined bass. Not boomy, flabby, "brassy". Very controlled, but with guts.

The added bass extension, I believe, gives the speaker this refinement over the M80: in a way it's even more balanced - the mid range and treble, while not being overwhelmed by the terrific bass, are better defined, and more attractive. Human voices are sweeter. They, too, have greater weight and sound more authentic.
The Model T has is great depth to the soundstage, and its imaging is even more pin-point accurate than the excellent imaging of the M80.
The Model T has not eliminated the occasional high-end harshness I find on the M80 altogether, but it is greatly reduced, perhaps because the tweeters now sit well above ear level. On the other hand, because I've sensitized myself to this issue, the detection of this sound just might be a quirk of mine rather than that of the speaker's. I wouldn't doubt that I might be among a very few to even notice its presence.

The Model T, in my opinion is not just a good speaker. It is outstanding. I think it is a great one. The greatest? My Passive version is supposed to be trumped by the higher priced Active model, which also requires a considerable investment in additional amplification, cabling, etc. If the Model T is an indication of how good the Model T can be, then perhaps the Active version just might be the greatest. Since I am of the age when I no longer have the prospect of a rich uncle dying and leaving me a bundle, I'll never know.

But this I do know. Through the years I've spent a fortune on speakers and this indisputably is the best one I've owned.
The Axiom M80 comes in a strong second place, and for that reason is well worth considering for a main audio system by the budge conscious buyers who want accuracy in sound reproduction. But the Model T, greatest or not, most certainly is the best speaker I've ever owned.

I see the level of its performance as being all summed up in the name.

It reproduces music to a T.

DaveNote

ADDENDUM

From: Davenote
Sent: November-30-12 8:34 AM
Subject: Addendum to My Review


These are impossibly great rock speakers. I spent the day listening to my old favourites, which date me a lot. They hark back to the days before Rock died. Some are quite ancient. They include early Fleetwood Mac, the Doobie Brothers, Chicago, Simon and Garfunkel, James Taylor, Steely Dan, Foreigner, Carly Simon,  Supertramp and, yes, even Gary Wright (OMG!). And many more.

A number of these cuts weren't recorded very well. Hearing them through the Model T is, I swear, as if they have all been skillfully remastered over night. Listening to U2's Joshua Tree, for instance, with these speakers makes its great songs come alive in a way they never were for me before.

Third, I noticed in my original review how well the Model T handles lower quality material like Internet radio. This presents a new opportunity for me, and perhaps others.

As an audiophile, I have been reluctant to go downscale in the quality of source material. But buying CDs is becoming more difficult: finding fewer in the stores of interest to me or waiting for delivery from online stores. And High Resolution is no where near prime time for me. The selection of music is too limited for my tastes in music, the albums are expensive, and doing hi rez is not simple. Hey, I got into digital music to end disc flipping, to make listening to music easy, not to become a computer geek.

Anyway, after all these years, last week, I bought my first iTunes album. I couldn't resist Philippe Saisse's cover of Steely Dan's Do It Again. With the Model T this ordinary downloaded MP3 recording is over-the-top good.

Conclusion: after years of slowing my acquisition of music, these speakers will get me back to lower cost, easy music purchasing. With the marvelous "T" I'm going to be adding many more iTunes albums to my collection. I'm thinking - Dave, you now can get the Stanley Jordan, Lyle Lovett and Tord Gustavsen CD albums that I put on my Amazon wish lists but hesitated to buy, all with a click. Gratification is terrific, bested only by instant gratification.

In many ways, then, this has been for me, after 40 years of buying audio gear, one of my much sought-after events as an audiophile - a breakthrough purchase that makes not incremental, but dramatic changes.

Some have asked what the "T" stands for.

If you hear these speakers, the answer will be obvious - "Thrilling".
 
Davenote




Wow, very nice review! I think you got a winner on your hands, James!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Dec 2012, 09:43 pm
Subject: Playing Above Their Pay Grade

I've been spending the morning exploring my favourite kind of music, jazz, as reproduced via Bryston electronics and the Model T. I like jazz in and of itself. I also like it because I think it brings out the very best in my audio system. Lots of good news.

Sax is a very important instrument for jazz enthusiasts. Perhaps closer than any other instrument, when played by great artists, it has the quality of singing.

Today, I was brought to attention in my chair by a very mellow, low register sax, which at first I took to be Houston Person, who plays tenor sax and whose sound is rich and fat. I was wrong. It was Gerry Mulligan. I'm a big fan. Many feel he made the baritone sax a mainstream jazz instrument. In the random play of my collection, this cut was from one of his late, well-recorded albums on the Telarc label.

What made listening to it both interesting and wonderful is how it made Gerry's sax new again, reminding me that his baritone was very tenor like, but with the Model T, it is markedly more well-defined, even closer to the tenor of a "fat" sounding tenor like Person's. This shows off more accurately what made him famous, namely his ability to play a baritone as if it is a tenor. Mellow, as one wants in a baritone sax, but not flabby. This also shows that the Model T does excellent things in the lower mid and upper bass range.

Not all speakers are kind to the sound of the sax.

I once demoed Wilson Sasha's (close to $30k) driven by very good electronics. There was much about these legendary speakers to love. Open, airy.  But I gave them a pass because, to my ear, the all important sax did not sound right. Paul Desmond had, arguably second only to Johnny Hodges, the sweetest alto ever. For me the Sashas replaced the sweetness with air. That may be highly desirable for some listeners, no doubt, but not for me.

The Model T gets sax right. That means a great deal of my beloved jazz collection is going to sound new, and right.

But this morning's listening to this new speaker reminded me of something old and unchanged about Bryston.

For all these years I have found Bryston to be great for many things (such as impeccable service), but of all these the greatest may be the comparative price/performance of its products. Because it produces high-end products, Bryston prices are not low. Yet when compared to many other high end products, I've always seen them as something of a bargain. For example, I own a Bryston BP, the replacement cost of which is several thousands of dollars. A Best Buy shopper would shout, "Ouch!" But many of Bryston's high end competitors offer comparable preamps at several times Bryston's price.

It is no surprise, and therefore all the more welcome, that the Model T continues in this tradition. By no means inexpensive, I can confirm based on what I own (PMC MB2is) and what I have heard (eg. Wilson's), the Model T performs dramatically above its pay grade.

D
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Dec 2012, 03:36 pm
Hi Folks,

Here is a shot of the Model T's with the aluminum OUTRIGGERS attached.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71778)

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 3 Dec 2012, 04:11 pm
James,

A few questions on the External Active crossover.

Is it 1 box for each speaker, or 1 box for both speakers?

Do you Have pictures of the Current Active crossover? Or pictures of it connected?

If Someone purchased the Signature Series and upgraded to Active, would they trade in the External
 Passive crossover, for the Active and pay 2000.00 difference?

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Dec 2012, 04:33 pm
James,

A few questions on the External Active crossover.

Is it 1 box for each speaker, or 1 box for both speakers?

Do you Have pictures of the Current Active crossover? Or pictures of it connected?

If Someone purchased the Signature Series and upgraded to Active, would they trade in the External
 Passive crossover, for the Active and pay 2000.00 difference?

Hi,

Still playing around with the Active Crossover so it will be a few months before we officially release it.

It will be a single Stereo -3-way unit - prototype below -

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71781)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71783)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71782)

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 3 Dec 2012, 05:04 pm
Hi James

The speakers you have now look really good especially in your non black finishes.

Compared with some of the older proto models you posted, there are added  drivers to the final speaker. What was wrong with the older less driver driven speakers? I have to admit I am bit worried by the amount of drivers I see on the model-Ts. Mind you this comes from a point of view of not hearing them yet. But I am worried that there is going to be a ton of high treble frequency at lower volumes.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Dec 2012, 05:10 pm
Hi James

The speakers you have now look really good especially in your non black finishes.

Compared with some of the older proto models you posted, there are added  drivers to the final speaker. What was wrong with the older less driver driven speakers? I have to admit I am bit worried by the amount of drivers I see on the model-Ts. Mind you this comes from a point of view of not hearing them yet. But I am worried that there is going to be a ton of high treble frequency at lower volumes.

Hi Werd,

Yes the final version is the 5th version of the speaker over a 2 year design period. 

Given the 'design parameters' of 'very wide power response' and 'lack of dynamic compression' it turned out with this array of drivers.  I know we will take some hits from the "this can not possible work group" - (of which I was one prior to this exercise) - but all I ask is listen and decide for yourself if it works or not. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 3 Dec 2012, 05:24 pm
Hi Werd,

Yes the final version is the 5th version of the speaker over a 2 year design period. 

Given the 'design parameters' of 'very wide power response' and 'lack of dynamic compression' it turned out with this array of drivers.  I know we will take some hits from the "this can not possible work group" - (of which I was one prior to this exercise) - but all I ask is listen and decide for yourself if it works or not. :thumb:

james

Thanks  :thumb:

I am looking forward to hearing them as soon as pulsworks gets their demo shipped in. He has a pair now but they are spoken for...  :o. They are being sold blind just  because of your reputation which is cool.

One other thing, did the bda2 play apart in voicing your new soeaker. Did it play a part at all in getting your midrange and treble presentation?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 3 Dec 2012, 05:40 pm
James,

Will the active crossover have any user adjustments. If so it would be a giant killer.


Werd,

I really like how the Model T's fill the room. In stereo mode the sound stage is so good that at one point I actually got up and checked to see if my center speaker was on

"But I am worried that there is going to be a ton of high treble frequency at lower volumes"

    Not that I have noticed

If you are in my city, I would let you hear them....
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Dec 2012, 05:48 pm
Thanks  :thumb:

I am looking forward to hearing them as soon as pulsworks gets their demo shipped in. He has a pair now but they are spoken for...  :o. They are being sold blind just  because of your reputation which is cool.

One other thing, did the bda2 play apart in voicing your new soeaker. Did it play a part at all in getting your midrange and treble presentation?

Yes in that the original Model T's were a custom pair of Active speakers for me and I use them now for all my listening tests.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 3 Dec 2012, 05:49 pm
James,

Will the active crossover have any user adjustments. If so it would be a giant killer.


Werd,

I really like how the Model T's fill the room. In stereo mode the sound stage is so good that at one point I actually got up and checked to see if my center speaker was on

"But I am worried that there is going to be a ton of high treble frequency at lower volumes"

    Not that I have noticed

If you are in my city, I would let you hear them....


Dam.... We are probably not in the same city.... Thanks for the offer  :thumb:.

I just have so much respect for my MTM configuration in ribbon tweeter. They pin point image so precisely (Image freak).  I am really surprised that Bryston didn't go down the road of ribbon tweeters but that's just nurturing my own taste.

I will soon hear them anyways.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Dec 2012, 05:50 pm
James,

Will the active crossover have any user adjustments. If so it would be a giant killer.


Werd,

I really like how the Model T's fill the room. In stereo mode the sound stage is so good that at one point I actually got up and checked to see if my center speaker was on

"But I am worried that there is going to be a ton of high treble frequency at lower volumes"

    Not that I have noticed

If you are in my city, I would let you hear them....

If the speaker is designed properly there should be no difference in output if played low , medium or loud in different driver output.  It should all remain balanced if the the Power Response is correctly done.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Dec 2012, 05:54 pm
I am making up some dedicated Cable Kits for the Model T Signature series speakers given the 3 inputs and outputs.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71785)

3 Cables (Woofer/Mid/Tweet) from Signature Passive Crossover to Model T Speaker inputs

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71786)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71787)

Speaker Cables from Bryston Amp to Model T Signature crossover

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71788)

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 3 Dec 2012, 05:58 pm
Yes in that the original Model T's were a custom pair of Active speakers for me and I use them now for all my listening tests.

james


Here's a really tough question. Would your model-Ts be different in speaker config if the bda1 was used. Or would there have been any differences in the final speaker.

P.s

You got your bda2 priced too cheap.  At 2300 you are almost giving it away...lol.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Dec 2012, 06:00 pm

Here's a really tough question. Would your model-Ts be different in speaker config if the bda1 was used. Or would there have been any differences in the final speaker.

P.s

You got your bda2 priced too cheap.  At 2300 you are almost giving it away...lol.

No the speakers would be what they are regardless - I was just looking for a speaker that would be as neutral as possible.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 3 Dec 2012, 06:11 pm
No the speakers would be what they are regardless - I was just looking for a speaker that would be as neutral as possible.

james

That's good to hear.  :thumb:

ATM your Mini Ts have my interest also. Not to mention I know I can get them on trial from pulseworks due to move ability. Are you selling stands with them?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Dec 2012, 06:40 pm
That's good to hear.  :thumb:

ATM your Mini Ts have my interest also. Not to mention I know I can get them on trial from pulseworks due to move ability. Are you selling stands with them?

Yes we are going to do a Custom Stand for the Mini t's.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71792)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 3 Dec 2012, 10:16 pm
The stands look nice. Do you get the outboard passive xover with Mini-Ts also?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Dec 2012, 10:47 pm
The stands look nice. Do you get the outboard passive xover with Mini-Ts also?

No - just the internal crossover.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 4 Dec 2012, 07:46 am
Hi James,

Yesterday you've sent us mail about the external Crossover in the signature modelT. Not yet on this board? Please could you explain how to connect this crossover to the amps? How to connect Hi, mid, and lows on the crossover to the single outs on the amps?

Adding to that, if I want to keep the 10b sub crossover for my Rel B1 ( model t's don't go that deep don't they?) would that make any difference in hooking up?

Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Dec 2012, 12:59 pm
Hi James,

Yesterday you've sent us mail about the external Crossover in the signature modelT. Not yet on this board? Please could you explain how to connect this crossover to the amps? How to connect Hi, mid, and lows on the crossover to the single outs on the amps?

Adding to that, if I want to keep the 10b sub crossover for my Rel B1 ( model t's don't go that deep don't they?) would that make any difference in hooking up?

Thanks,
Marius

Hi Marius

On previous page (39) there is a picture of the cable setup for you.

The Model T measures flat to 25 Hz but you can still use a 10B and Sub if you wish.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 4 Dec 2012, 01:17 pm
Hi Marius

On previous page (39) there is a picture of the cable setup for you.

The Model T measures flat to 25 Hz but you can still use a 10B and Sub if you wish.

James

So can you use a 10b in place of the outboard xover? Or do o have to use both when using the 10B?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Dec 2012, 01:24 pm
So can you use a 10b in place of the outboard xover? Or do o have to use both when using the 10B?

You can use Both the 10B and the Passive outboard crossover with the Model T Passive or Signature.  You have to use the new Bryston AX1 Digital crossover with the Model T Active (replaces the external passive crossover on the Signature) but you could still add a Sub to the Model t Active if you wanted using the 10B

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 4 Dec 2012, 01:38 pm
HI James,

You mailed this pic of the crossover
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71870)
and it has 3 l and r (tweeter, midrange and woofer) in - and outputs.... My amps only have 1 left and right. On page 39 i do see several cable go into the crossover, but how are they connected to the amps?

Thanks!
Marius

ps crossover looks amazingly Bryston  :thumb:

Hi Marius

On previous page (39) there is a picture of the cable setup for you.

The Model T measures flat to 25 Hz but you can still use a 10B and Sub if you wish.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Dec 2012, 01:49 pm
HI James,

You mailed this pic of the crossover
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71870)
and it has 3 l and r (tweeter, midrange and woofer) in - and outputs.... My amps only have 1 left and right. On page 39 i do see several cable go into the crossover, but how are they connected to the amps?

Thanks!
Marius

ps crossover looks amazingly Bryston  :thumb:

The amp and crossover would use a cable like this -

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71871)

So 2 sets of connectors at the amp end (Spade and Banana) and 3 sets of Bananas (Woof/Mid/Tweet) at the passive crossover end.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 4 Dec 2012, 02:53 pm
wait, i'm confused, sorry James  :oops:  :oops:
I use the  bryston 28b;s , so Ineed two mono cables don't I? from single +/- to triple +/- per channel. Would you provide for these cables too? And, would I need one of these crossovers for each channel  :scratch: :scratch: Don;t see any left /rights....

Marius

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 4 Dec 2012, 04:28 pm
Marius,

Yes you get 2 crossovers 1 for each speaker.

On the output from each 28b you would use the 2 cables james showed in post 791. See the right side of the picture.  the four connectors would plug into the +/- and +/- on the back of the amp(you have 2 outputs on the back of the 28b). The six connectors would plug into the INPUT on the crossover +/- low, +/- Mid, +/- high. Then another 3 cables are required to connect the six OUTPUTS of each crossover to the low,mid,high on the speaker.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 4 Dec 2012, 05:05 pm
Ok, hadn't thought of the double outs on the 28s, great!

And James, it wouldn't by any chance be possible to have the active crossover built with an active/passive selectorswitch, thus preventing customers to have to buy 2 crossovers, once in passive for the signature Model T, and once when upgrading to active Model T's?

And please, will the active crossover have a 10bsub built in, or, in other words, will the active crossover enablemthenuse of a sub, for the sub-bass...?

Thanks,
Marius

Marius,

Yes you get 2 crossovers 1 for each speaker.

On the output from each 28b you would use the 2 cables james showed in post 791. See the right side of the picture.  the four connectors would plug into the +/- and +/- on the back of the amp(you have 2 outputs on the back of the 28b). The six connectors would plug into the INPUT on the crossover +/- low, +/- Mid, +/- high. Then another 3 cables are required to connect the six OUTPUTS of each crossover to the low,mid,high on the speaker.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Dec 2012, 06:17 pm
Ok, hadn't thought of the double outs on the 28s, great!

And James, it wouldn't by any chance be possible to have the active crossover built with an active/passive selectorswitch, thus preventing customers to have to buy 2 crossovers, once in passive for the signature Model T, and once when upgrading to active Model T's?

And please, will the active crossover have a 10bsub built in, or, in other words, will the active crossover enablemthenuse of a sub, for the sub-bass...?

Thanks,
Marius

No the Active Crossover is a DEDICATED ELECTRONIC crossover for the Model T and building in a Passive network as well is not possible - they are simply different animals.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Dec 2012, 01:32 pm
Hi Folks,

Just finalizing the Bryston Model t mini speaker.

Below is an anechoic chamber graph comparing the Model T with the 'mini t' - you can see other than not as much bass capability the mini t mirrors the excellent in room power response and frequency accuracy at the larger Model T.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71913)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71914)



james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 6 Dec 2012, 12:10 am
Yes we are going to do a Custom Stand for the Mini t's.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71792)


james

James,

What will be the suggested Canadian retail price for a pair of the Bryston Mini-T speakers (black) + Bryston custom stands (black)?

Also, which Bryston amp would be your minimum recommendation to drive these speakers efficiently in a 12' x 14' room?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Dec 2012, 12:15 am
$2550 a pair to start for the mini t speakers and not sure on the stands yet.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Dec 2012, 06:47 pm
Ernie Fisher – INNER EAR REPORT

My listening test so far — that is with 7B SST Squared, Aesthetix and Allnic amplifiers — has shown to me that the Model Ts are one of the very rare designs that, because of it's own high rating of neutrality, lets one hear all backup components.

In addition, they sound better than some of the mega-buck brands we all know.

Price/performance is way out of whack — something like 20/100%.

Be proud Bryston . . .
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 8 Dec 2012, 07:16 pm
Ernie Fisher – INNER EAR REPORT

My listening test so far — that is with 7B SST Squared, Aesthetix and Allnic amplifiers — has shown to me that the Model Ts are one of the very rare designs that, because of it's own high rating of neutrality, lets one hear all backup components.

In addition, they sound better than some of the mega-buck brands we all know.

Price/performance is way out of whack — something like 20/100%.

Be proud Bryston . . .
+1 :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Dec 2012, 12:26 pm
Hi Folks,

Shot of the Bryston Model T Signature External Passive Crossover internals - notice custom Bryston capacitors.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72254)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Dec 2012, 06:46 pm
My Rosewood Model T's - almost ready!!!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72258)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: KeithA on 13 Dec 2012, 09:52 pm
My Rosewood Model T's - almost ready!!!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72258)


james

That's a lot of speaker  :D

Id love to hear a set....not going to happen my neck of the woods. I'm looking at getting a new set speakers next Spring, maybe.

Keith
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Jamesie on 14 Dec 2012, 07:01 am
My Rosewood Model T's - almost ready!!!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72258)


james

James, I have been watching this thread for a while but had to sign up just so I could say how stunning these are!!! Absolutely beautiful.

I hope there will be a pair coming to New Zealand, as I am very interested in these.

I will get hold of the distributor in NZ early next year to see what they can arrange.

Cheers and keep up the great work,

Paul
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Dec 2012, 11:52 am
James, I have been watching this thread for a while but had to sign up just so I could say how stunning these are!!! Absolutely beautiful.

I hope there will be a pair coming to New Zealand, as I am very interested in these.

I will get hold of the distributor in NZ early next year to see what they can arrange.

Cheers and keep up the great work,

Paul

Hi Paul

Yes I believe our Australian Distributor is planning on bringing in the speakers soon.  We are currently sold out but should have more available come Feb.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 14 Dec 2012, 03:12 pm
My Rosewood Model T's - almost ready!!!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72258)


james

I see your picking out your own Xmas presents.eh? ......Be-atch!!! ; )

They look great, enjoy them over the holiday.


Scott
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 14 Dec 2012, 04:46 pm
Ernie Fisher – INNER EAR REPORT

My listening test so far — that is with 7B SST Squared, Aesthetix and Allnic amplifiers — has shown to me that the Model Ts are one of the very rare designs that, because of it's own high rating of neutrality, lets one hear all backup components.

In addition, they sound better than some of the mega-buck brands we all know.

Price/performance is way out of whack — something like 20/100%.

Be proud Bryston . . .

Been thinking about new speaks to replace my 22 year old Infinity 9 Kappas since buying my 7B SST2's a couple years ago and these sound like an ideal choice to retain the big dynamic sound of the Kappas while improving upon their balance and slightly congested midrange.
 
In my situation it looks like the external active alternative is a stretch as I would have to spend at least another $10 or $12K to provide six Bryston quality channels of amplification.  The Inner Ear snippet above is encouraging but it doesn't say whether he's using the passive external or internal crossover with the 7's.  Anyway, what I'm in need of at this point is a comparative analysis of what improvements would be experienced using the external passive over the internal passive as well as what I am missing by not selling the 7's and buying a pair of 6's and going the active route.

James, in addition to the great job you have done with these you have created the need for a matrix to figure out the optimal permutation of amplification, cabling and crossover in a given situation.  Perhaps you could develop a variation of the JL Audio Sound Analyzer Kit iPhone app and expand upon its amp calculator function  :lol:.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Dec 2012, 05:07 pm
Been thinking about new speaks to replace my 22 year old Infinity 9 Kappas since buying my 7B SST2's a couple years ago and these sound like an ideal choice to retain the big dynamic sound of the Kappas while improving upon their balance and slightly congested midrange.
 
In my situation it looks like the external active alternative is a stretch as I would have to spend at least another $10 or $12K to provide six Bryston quality channels of amplification.  The Inner Ear snippet above is encouraging but it doesn't say whether he's using the passive external or internal crossover with the 7's.  Anyway, what I'm in need of at this point is a comparative analysis of what improvements would be experienced using the external passive over the internal passive as well as what I am missing by not selling the 7's and buying a pair of 6's and going the active route.

James, in addition to the great job you have done with these you have created the need for a matrix to figure out the optimal permutation of amplification, cabling and crossover in a given situation.  Perhaps you could develop a variation of the JL Audio Sound Analyzer Kit iPhone app and expand upon its amp calculator function  :lol:.


Hi

The external crossover has a few improvements over the internal.  The external uses air core inductors as well as high tolerance Bryston Capacitors. 

If you see yourself moving towards an all Active system in the future then I would recommend purchasing the Model T SIGNATURE version (which includes the external crossover).  That way you simply replace the outboard passive crossover that goes between your power amp and speaker with the Active Crossover that goes between your Preamp and Amps.

I will list the current Bryston amp options as well in a few minutes.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Dec 2012, 05:11 pm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

MODEL T AMPLIFIERS   

Matching Bryston Amplifiers For Active Model T  Loudspeakers
      
            
MODEL                                               PAIRS
            
9B SST-3-Channel                           9B SST-3-Channel x TWO
            
6B SST2                                           6B SST2 x TWO         
            
7B SST-2 /3B SST2                         7B SST2 x TWO  with  3B SST2  x TWO         
            
7B SST-2 /4B SST2                         7B SST2 x TWO  with  4B SST2  x TWO

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 14 Dec 2012, 05:35 pm
MODEL T AMPLIFIERS   

Matching Bryston Amplifiers For Active Model T  Loudspeakers
      
            
MODEL                                               PAIRS
            
9B SST-3-Channel                           9B SST-3-Channel x TWO
            
6B SST2                                           6B SST2 x TWO         
            
7B SST-2 /3B SST2                         7B SST2 x TWO  with  3B SST2  x TWO         
            
7B SST-2 /4B SST2                         7B SST2 x TWO  with  4B SST2  x TWO



What does holding $5 bucks and having a big grin using a 14B get ya in your new speaks?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Dec 2012, 05:41 pm

What does holding $5 bucks and having a big grin using a 14B get ya in your new speaks?

Sorry Lorne - I am at a loss as to what this sentence means   :scratch:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 14 Dec 2012, 05:46 pm
Anything under the Xmas tree from James Tanner this year?  :thumb:  :lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Dec 2012, 05:52 pm
Anything under the Xmas tree from James Tanner this year?  :thumb:  :lol:

Yes the Rosewoods are going to Vegas for the show in January and then I plan to hi-jack them for home.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Don_S on 14 Dec 2012, 06:00 pm
James,

Stop playing with my emotions.  In reply 744 you said the Model-Ts would not be at CES or T.H.E. Show.  Now you say they will be.  In reply 745 I specifically asked you "What other things are you "not intending" to do?".   :lol:

Details please:
location?
active or static display?
which crossovers?



Yes the Rosewoods are going to Vegas for the show in January and then I plan to hi-jack them for home.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Dec 2012, 06:03 pm
James,

Stop playing with my emotions.  In reply 744 you said the Model-Ts would not be at CES or T.H.E. Show.  Now you say they will be.  In reply 745 I specifically asked you "What other things are you "not intending" to do?".   :lol:

Details please:
location?
active or static display?
which crossovers?

We are sharing with Thiel so they will just be on static display.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 14 Dec 2012, 06:11 pm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

MODEL T AMPLIFIERS   

Matching Bryston Amplifiers For Active Model T  Loudspeakers
      
            
MODEL                                               PAIRS
            
9B SST-3-Channel                           9B SST-3-Channel x TWO
            
6B SST2                                           6B SST2 x TWO         
            
7B SST-2 /3B SST2                         7B SST2 x TWO  with  3B SST2  x TWO         
            
7B SST-2 /4B SST2                         7B SST2 x TWO  with  4B SST2  x TWO

Hi James,
Just my thought beside your list which I always recommended the same to so many people.
If we look at the entry level for any of this folks who would like to go active in the future but keep the cost low and use less space, then how about a set up with 4BSST2 and a 9BSST2@4channel.It would encourage more people for few reasons and the benefit of having more power to drive the woofers.2x9BSS2@3-channel would take a same space as 4BSST2 and one 9BSST2@4-channel and would cost same also but would be better to have more power for woofers+more people have the 4b already and it would make it easier to switch to active by adding a9BSST2 instead of changing the whole setup.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Dec 2012, 06:21 pm
Hi James,
Just my thought beside your list which I always recommended the same to so many people.
If we look at the entry level for any of this folks who would like to go active in the future but keep the cost low and use less space, then how about a set up with 4BSST2 and a 9BSST2@4channel.It would encourage more people for few reasons and the benefit of having more power to drive the woofers.2x9BSS2@3-channel would take a same space as 4BSST2 and one 9BSST2@4-channel and would cost same also but would be better to have more power for woofers+more people have the 4b already and it would make it easier to switch to active by adding a9BSST2 instead of changing the whole setup.

Good point :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Dec 2012, 06:41 pm
Audio Perspective

Some thoughts here :

As a long time audio reviewer when it comes to describing one's impressions within a review-type essay, I think it is easier to exercise criticism than to explain excellence.

A reviewers obligation is to investigate and describe in detail the performance, character, merit, shortcomings and sonic properties of the component under review.  But when being an audio critic turns into listening for pleasure, the critic is in trouble and must re-evaluate his/her position and his duty.

I found myself in this position dozens of time, but never as blatantly painful as in the past few months — the time I spent listening to the Model T's (review pending)

Ernie Fisher
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 14 Dec 2012, 09:30 pm
Hi James,
Just my thought beside your list which I always recommended the same to so many people.
If we look at the entry level for any of this folks who would like to go active in the future but keep the cost low and use less space, then how about a set up with 4BSST2 and a 9BSST2@4channel.It would encourage more people for few reasons and the benefit of having more power to drive the woofers.2x9BSS2@3-channel would take a same space as 4BSST2 and one 9BSST2@4-channel and would cost same also but would be better to have more power for woofers+more people have the 4b already and it would make it easier to switch to active by adding a9BSST2 instead of changing the whole setup.

On that note what about a pair of 7's on the woofers and a 4 channel 9 for the mid and high for those of us who now have a pair of 7's.  Would that be too much diparity in power or would 140 per side be fine for the mids and highs?  James, you sly dog, you gotta be lovin' this.  Everyone trying to figure out how many more Bryston amps to buy.  Couldn't happen to a nicer guy  :thumb:.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 14 Dec 2012, 10:11 pm
On that note what about a pair of 7's on the woofers and a 4 channel 9 for the mid and high for those of us who now have a pair of 7's.  Would that be too much diparity in power or would 140 per side be fine for the mids and highs?  James, you sly dog, you gotta be lovin' this.  Everyone trying to figure out how many more Bryston amps to buy.  Couldn't happen to a nicer guy  :thumb:.
My main idea was to keep the entry level and space in mind but you would not be happier if you could use a pair of 7s or 14 instead of 4.
I have been using 7s in my active system to drive the woofers for over 20 years and never look to replace them with anything ever. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JeffO on 15 Dec 2012, 08:08 pm

Hi

The external crossover has a few improvements over the internal.  The external uses air core inductors as well as high tolerance Bryston Capacitors. 

If you see yourself moving towards an all Active system in the future then I would recommend purchasing the Model T SIGNATURE version (which includes the external crossover).  That way you simply replace the outboard passive crossover that goes between your power amp and speaker with the Active Crossover that goes between your Preamp and Amps.

I will list the current Bryston amp options as well in a few minutes.

james

Is there an audible difference between the internal crossover and the Signature version?  Is it worth getting the Signature even if I do not see myself moving towards an all active system? 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 15 Dec 2012, 09:41 pm
Is there an audible difference between the internal crossover and the Signature version?  Is it worth getting the Signature even if I do not see myself moving towards an all active system?

Hi JeffO,

That's a great question because I'm beginning to see this proposition as two way with a major cost difference between the two as opposed to a three way unless, as yoiur question begs, there is a discernable difference between the inboard and outboard passives.  The active is far more expensve than the $2-$3K for the active crossover itself.  You are looking at no less than $7-$8K and potentially twice that for 6 amp channels  depending on the situation.  Additionally you have more cabling to deal with etc.  In my situation I have to view the active Model T as a $16-20K speaker having to add either a 4 channel 9B, (2) 4Bs or (2) 3Bs to my existing 7's (although the dual 3B's is not making sense when compared pricewise to a 4 channel 9-somebody correct me if I'm wrong). 

The big difficulty is it wiill be impossible  for most of us without Bryston dealers nearby to demo the three side by side.  Alot to think about because "the demo is everything".  Hmm, where have I head that before :scratch:.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 15 Dec 2012, 09:56 pm
Hi JeffO,

That's a great question because I'm beginning to see this proposition as two way with a major cost difference between the two as opposed to a three way unless, as yoiur question begs, there is a discernable difference between the inboard and outboard passives.  The active is far more expensve than the $2-$3K for the active crossover itself.  You are looking at no less than $7-$8K and potentially twice that for 6 amp channels  depending on the situation.  Additionally you have more cabling to deal with etc.  In my situation I have to view the active Model T as a $16-20K speaker having to add either a 4 channel 9B, (2) 4Bs or (2) 3Bs to my existing 7's (although the dual 3B's is not making sense when compared pricewise to a 4 channel 9-somebody correct me if I'm wrong). 

The big difficulty is it wiill be impossible  for most of us without Bryston dealers nearby to demo the three side by side.  Alot to think about because "the demo is everything".  Hmm, where have I head that before :scratch:.


Hey Dyna

Long time no talk to. I have been lucky to be able to sit infront of a pair of model-Ts at the local dealer. These are the internal xover ones. They are pretty nice and definitely worth consideration. The outboard xover gives a three way while the internal are bi wire. I would get the external for sure only because the internal model are good and external xovers will just give you less distortion or more resolution, which ever way you look at it.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Jamesie on 15 Dec 2012, 11:05 pm
Hi Paul

Yes I believe our Australian Distributor is planning on bringing in the speakers soon.  We are currently sold out but should have more available come Feb.

james

Hey James,

Cheers for the info, look forward to hearing them.

Sounds like these are selling like hot cakes :D
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 16 Dec 2012, 03:49 am

Hey Dyna

Long time no talk to. I have been lucky to be able to sit infront of a pair of model-Ts at the local dealer. These are the internal xover ones. They are pretty nice and definitely worth consideration. The outboard xover gives a three way while the internal are bi wire. I would get the external for sure only because the internal model are good and external xovers will just give you less distortion or more resolution, which ever way you look at it.

WERD!  Dude, how are things up yonder in Saskatoon?  Getting a little nippy this time of year I bet.  Do you still have your Zen Adagios?  If so how do the Model T internal passives compare (not looking for good or bad, just how they sound). Before I became aware of the Model T's I had it boiled down to the Marten Design Djangos, ML Summits, Thiel 3.7, Maggie 3.7's w/JL F110s leaninng toward the Djangos.  The Model T's w/outboard passive are at an attractive price point compared to that bunch so they have caught my attention. As I recall you have one of the better sets of ears among the Bryston AC buds so I always appreciate your thoughts.  Hoping you get to hear the external passive and active so you can report back.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Dec 2012, 05:49 pm
Hi Folks,

The reason I wanted to offer the speakers in three versions and different finishes (vinyl, real wood, special finishes etc.) is to provide as much price flexibility for our customers as possible. BUT- the goal was PERFORMANCE first Furniture second.

The reviews you have seen and will see in the next few weeks are all the standard passive versions with Internal crossovers.  The Signature serious adds the ability to have an External Passive Crossover to the mix.  The Signature crossover adds a couple of aditional features - Air Core Inductors instead of ferrite core inductors and custom proprietary Bryston specked Capacitors with very high measured tolerances. Whether that translates to better performance is for each to decide.

Finally there is the Active system which requires an external electronic crossover between the preamp and the six channels of amplification.  I have always been a fan of Active systems because their ability to resolve inner details and offer resolution at a higher level is something I desire in my system.  The downside of active is they can be ruthless at showing the audio pimples in the gear or the source material.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 17 Dec 2012, 02:39 am
WERD!  Dude, how are things up yonder in Saskatoon?  Getting a little nippy this time of year I bet.  Do you still have your Zen Adagios?  If so how do the Model T internal passives compare (not looking for good or bad, just how they sound). Before I became aware of the Model T's I had it boiled down to the Marten Design Djangos, ML Summits, Thiel 3.7, Maggie 3.7's w/JL F110s leaninng toward the Djangos.  The Model T's w/outboard passive are at an attractive price point compared to that bunch so they have caught my attention. As I recall you have one of the better sets of ears among the Bryston AC buds so I always appreciate your thoughts.  Hoping you get to hear the external passive and active so you can report back.

Cheers!

Hey Dyna, man o man the winter is pretty intense this year. Not only that but somehow the city councillors decided that Saskatoon doesn't need snow removal in the residential streets. They picked the snowiest year to try and save money on what we need for useless city spending like a new website which is costing saskatoon 1.2 million...lol. We got idiots at city hall right now. I am being serious. They are idiots in the serious sense. I really feel like going down to City hall and confronting our mayor and asking. "Are you frickn  stupid?. Thats a serious question mayor. Are you frickn stupid?

Anyways, those are a serious selection of signature speakers you got... way to go. :thumb:  Yes i still own the AZs. The Model ts are somewhat similar. Only that the way they look is not the way they sound. They remind me of an MTM config. in sound. Very much the same way my AZs sound. The Model ts are way louder and they also have serious bass. With my AZs i get a decent bass punch but its more about resolving notes than sucker bass punches to the face....lol. With the model ts you get what i get from my AZs in resolving but you also get sucker bass punches to face that kinda sit you back.  :icon_lol:

 With my AZs you get the mtm ribbon deal but they dont have the dynamic swing you get from a like a tweeter over mid  that a pmc gives you. The ribbon deal and the mtm gives you nice cymbal focus and basically any treble response gets better midrange cohesive staging, when its done right. Thats what i like about them or i prefer anyways. Well with the Model ts you get best of both worlds i am finding. You get the mtm focus and treble cohesive staging (somehow) but you also get the dynamic swings of a ttmm config. I going to have more hours on them this week so thats basically my first thoughts.

I would check them out and consider that the outboard xover will lighten the cabinet distortion. They have got to be better.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Dec 2012, 05:44 pm
FIRST OFFICIAL REVIEW - Bryston Model T

http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/speakers/Bryston_Modet_T.shtml

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 18 Dec 2012, 10:52 pm
FIRST OFFICIAL REVIEW - Bryston Model T

http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/speakers/Bryston_Modet_T.shtml

james
Very nice James. :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 19 Dec 2012, 04:09 am
Thats the finish i would definitely get.  :thumb: Those are nice. Another real nice comment i like and which i like my AZs also are they way they handle change ups in amps and upgrades.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mobileusa on 19 Dec 2012, 04:57 am
Another successful launch for Bryston, James, and associates. Fantastic job! BTW James, how many hours are in YOUR day?? :D

Looks as though the same review has been posted on ultrahighreview.com...

http://www.ultrahighendreview.com/bryston-model-t-basic-loudspeaker/
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Dec 2012, 10:22 pm
DEALER FEEDBACK – BRYSTON MODEL T SPEAKER

From: D Ellis 
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 5:08 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: FIRST OFFICIAL REVIEW - Bryston Model T

Hi James

Just saw the Model T review by Inner Ear Magazine -  A well-earned first review! 

Ernie is spot on...  I am happy he is aware (i.e. hears) of the differences in wire looms and continues to appreciate the goodness in the various amplifier designs and etc.  Good Audio Man!

Have you mated the T’s with the new B135 integrated in any of your listening rooms?  If so,  how does it compare to your other preamplifier/power rigs?

FYI -
I continue to smile every time I play a different album and experience the lowest octave foundation in the recording(s).  It seems to make the overall sound more "real" and engaging without the typical subwoofer effect you hear at the shows.  It tends to increase the overall air of the recording to make the listening room appear larger and more live.

I am continuing to play with the Ts directly on the carpet and the Stillpoints footers.  No contest, of course, but I need to try the factory provided spikes and compare them with the Stillpoints footers.

A local audio associate is coming by next week to take another listen and see what his take is on the Ts.  Interestingly, he is getting back into audio since his last visit here a few weeks ago.  He actually purchased a REGA turntable and is spinning his vinyl collection after a ten year hiatus from audio.  His recent retirement is giving him more time to get back to his hobbies he dropped out of many moons ago.  Sound familiar?

Dan
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 23 Dec 2012, 10:04 am
Very nice James. :thumb: :thumb:

Congrats James on a good and thorough review.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 23 Dec 2012, 10:06 am
Yes the Rosewoods are going to Vegas for the show in January and then I plan to hi-jack them for home.

james


Will they be on active display?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Dec 2012, 12:37 pm
Will they be on active display?

No - we had already contracted last year to share a room with Thiel in the Vegas Audio Show.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Dec 2012, 05:53 pm
A/V Solutions

www.avsolutionsca.com


Re: Bryston Model T Speaker
Sent to: James Tanner on: Today at 12:04 pm

Hi James,

The Model T are settling in nice......I have just under two hundred hours on them now and pretty much have finalized thier placement in the room. Some breif impressions are they have fantastic low level details and not just at higher listening levels but at the low to moderate levels, you really get a great sence of "you feel it before you hear it".......if you know what I mean!

Another strength i'm finding is how well they disappear in the room.......sometimes I find a speaker of this size in a smallish room often has trouble being invisable or getting out of the way, not the Model T's.....they do it to a T   I also find them very well balanced from top to bottom, very open and loads of ambient detail but not out of place......listen to a recording in a concert hall and you get that big big sound, listen to a cut in that small smokey night club and you have the intimate sound as it should be.....the Model T's reveal these differences with out a glitch........this is where I'm at for now but will report back with more.

jbwhitlock
Industry Participant
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 24 Dec 2012, 04:47 am
No - we had already contracted last year to share a room with Thiel in the Vegas Audio Show.

james

Ok, thanks for your reply, James. Sounds good.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Dec 2012, 01:10 pm
Model t mini added to website  :thumb:

http://bryston.com/products/speakers/Model_T_Mini.html

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: srb on 24 Dec 2012, 03:22 pm
Model t mini added to website  :thumb:

I was looking for the dimensions and weight but don't see either spec or a document in the Browse Technical Documents link in the specifications section.
 
Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Don_S on 24 Dec 2012, 04:09 pm
Great stands.  :thumb:

Model t mini added to website  :thumb:

http://bryston.com/products/speakers/Model_T_Mini.html

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Dec 2012, 05:32 pm

I was looking for the dimensions and weight but don't see either spec or a document in the Browse Technical Documents link in the specifications section.
 
Steve

MODEL t mini

H- 22.5 inches
W – 10.5 inches
D – 10 inches

Weight – 39 lbs Each
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bobNL on 24 Dec 2012, 07:10 pm
Hi James,

Hope the next run of the model T's will produce 500 pairs, so there will be one or two pairs available for europe. Guess the succes took even you by surprise. Great way to finish the year I should think. For now I am perfectly happy listening to Puccini's Messa di Gloria on your stupendously good BHA.

All the best wishes for christmas and far beyond,
Bob
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Dec 2012, 08:04 pm
Hi James,

Hope the next run of the model T's will produce 500 pairs, so there will be one or two pairs available for europe. Guess the succes took even you by surprise. Great way to finish the year I should think. For now I am perfectly happy listening to Puccini's Messa di Gloria on your stupendously good BHA.

All the best wishes for christmas and far beyond,
Bob

Thanks Bob - all the best to you as well - and yes the response has been beyond my expectations to say the least  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 24 Dec 2012, 11:18 pm
Merry Christmas, James!  You did say all the early reviews we're seeing were done with the internal passive x-over, right?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Dec 2012, 11:42 pm
Merry Christmas, James!  You did say all the early reviews we're seeing were done with the internal passive x-over, right?

Right.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: LSfromBC on 26 Dec 2012, 06:33 pm
hi James,

what is the price for the mini T's? thanks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: LSfromBC on 26 Dec 2012, 06:46 pm
 :duh: forgot to ask when you will have a matching center coming, and maybe a price point on that?

maybe 2 8"midwoofers, 2 5.5" midrange and a single 1" tweeter. ooooooh sounds so nice.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Dec 2012, 08:01 pm
:duh: forgot to ask when you will have a matching center coming, and maybe a price point on that?

maybe 2 8"midwoofers, 2 5.5" midrange and a single 1" tweeter. ooooooh sounds so nice.

No prices on the centers yet but there are 2 in the works:

Model T Center

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72842)

Model mini t center

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72843)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: LSfromBC on 26 Dec 2012, 08:33 pm
 :thumb: so cool! i was that close.

looks like the model t center would make an awesome vertical surround pair. just turn the 2 tweeters.


sorry to re-ask, but what is the price per pair for the mini t bookshelves?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Dec 2012, 08:47 pm
:thumb: so cool! i was that close.

looks like the model t center would make an awesome vertical surround pair. just turn the 2 tweeters.


sorry to re-ask, but what is the price per pair for the mini t bookshelves?

We are working on a 3-way ONWALL and INWALL

mini-t's retail for $2550 a pair to start.

james


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72902)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 27 Dec 2012, 10:48 pm
Spent some time today at Pulseworks today listening to the model Ts using a pair of 28s here in Saskatoon. I am particularly fond of this recording lately since its done so well and it's 24 bit and just cranks with no treble extension.

https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetail&valbum_code=HD016861770068

This megadeth is fast and loud and lots of good double bass drum wacks too. That 28/model t combo makes these recordings even better. It's fun as hell getting in front a system like this with these great recordings coming from these Oddball genres. Hey it's  metal what do you expect?

Lower volumes there is lots of good air around the vocals. But as the volume goes up the guitars starts moving in and around the vocals and it's not over emphasized. This combo 28/model t combo are fun as hell.

I will say it again Fun as Hell?...   :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Vipers on 29 Dec 2012, 01:21 pm
Thanks for the feedback werd, I guess reading feedback like yours is the closest I'm going to get to hearing the Model T's at the moment over here in the UK, but if they handle music like Megadeth and make it 'Fun' then they must be pretty special as even well recorded metal can all get a little messy, especially when it comes to separation, on even the best of speakers.

The best system I've heard handle metal is a pair of active PMC BB5 XBD's powered by Bryston of course playing Halo by Machinehead, ridiculous scale and dynamics :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Fido2 on 30 Dec 2012, 02:04 am
Can someone tell me how the model Ts hook up in back, ie bi-wire, tri-wire, single? I looked but couldnt find info
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Dec 2012, 02:41 am
Can someone tell me how the model Ts hook up in back, ie bi-wire, tri-wire, single? I looked but couldnt find info


On the standard version --- bi-wire  capability. On the Signature --- Tri- wire capability.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: LSfromBC on 30 Dec 2012, 01:49 pm
hi James,

what is the minimum/maximum watts to drive the standard Model T Center in regular wiring, not bi or tri?

are those 8" and 5.5" drivers? what is dimensions of Model T Center?

thank you for your time.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Dec 2012, 02:07 pm
hi James,

what is the minimum/maximum watts to drive the standard Model T Center in regular wiring, not bi or tri?

are those 8" and 5.5" drivers? what is dimensions of Model T Center?

thank you for your time.

I can get the actual dimensions when I am back at work but the Model T Center is large - only one less 8 inch woofer than the Model T. Center is bi-wire able if you want.

You have to make sure the polar response and power handling of the center matches the mains as close as possible.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: LSfromBC on 30 Dec 2012, 02:29 pm
good morning James,

 thank you for quick replies. :thumb:

would the 6bsst2 be overkill to run the Model T's and Model T Center? i would also purchase the SP3 for first purchase.

later in the year i would like to then purchase 4 more Model T Centers for a 7.1 surround home theater, (i have some cheaper speakers for 7.1 for now) just because the Model T Centers look so awesome. here's a question for the 4 Model T Centers.....can i run the 2 pair with 2 4BSST2's @ 500watts into 4ohms, or can i get away with the less powered 9BSST2 @ 200watts into 4ohms? is it ok to have one unused channel in the 9BSST2?

sorry to ask so many questions. i am just trying to figure out a great sounding Bryston home theatre.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Dec 2012, 02:54 pm
good morning James,

 thank you for quick replies. :thumb:

would the 6bsst2 be overkill to run the Model T's and Model T Center? i would also purchase the SP3 for first purchase.

later in the year i would like to then purchase 4 more Model T Centers for a 7.1 surround home theater, (i have some cheaper speakers for 7.1 for now) just because the Model T Centers look so awesome. here's a question for the 4 Model T Centers.....can i run the 2 pair with 2 4BSST2's @ 500watts into 4ohms, or can i get away with the less powered 9BSST2 @ 200watts into 4ohms? is it ok to have one unused channel in the 9BSST2?

sorry to ask so many questions. i am just trying to figure out a great sounding Bryston home theatre.

Hi

The 6B would be excellent for the LCR and yes a 4 channel 9B on the surrounds would work just fine.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 30 Dec 2012, 06:36 pm
Model t mini added to website  :thumb:

http://bryston.com/products/speakers/Model_T_Mini.html

james

Hi James,

Which Bryston amp would you recommend, as a minimum, to drive the Bryston Mini-T speakers?

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Dec 2012, 06:57 pm
Hi James,

Which Bryston amp would you recommend, as a minimum, to drive the Bryston Mini-T speakers?

A lot would depend on room size and the levels you listen at etc.  They are 89dB so I would say a 3B or 4B would be a good choice.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Fido2 on 2 Jan 2013, 01:01 pm
Quick question on the active version of the Model T's. I am thinking ahead and if I like what I hear I may opt on the active Model T's. Is the active crossover before the amps or after? Will I have to have 6 seperate channel of amplification and if so could I use say 2 14B SST's to drive the 4 channels of bass and mids and then get maybe a 4B SSTS for the tweets? This would be a mix of horizontal and vertical biamping...but would it work? In other words I would have a 14B SST on each speaker vertically biamped one channel going to bass one to mids. Then one 4B SST2 horizontally amping the tweets only...what say James?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Jan 2013, 01:37 pm
Quick question on the active version of the Model T's. I am thinking ahead and if I like what I hear I may opt on the active Model T's. Is the active crossover before the amps or after? Will I have to have 6 seperate channel of amplification and if so could I use say 2 14B SST's to drive the 4 channels of bass and mids and then get maybe a 4B SSTS for the tweets? This would be a mix of horizontal and vertical biamping...but would it work? In other words I would have a 14B SST on each speaker vertically biamped one channel going to bass one to mids. Then one 4B SST2 horizontally amping the tweets only...what say James?

Hi

Yes you need 6 channels of amplification and they all have to have the same "GAIN" - so any combination of Bryston amplifiers will work. 

The Active crossover goes between the Preamp and the Amplifiers

Remember you have to have the 'Signature' series version of the Model T speakers if you want to later upgrade to the Active version.
http://bryston.com/products/speakers/Model_T_Signature.html

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: klao on 4 Jan 2013, 02:48 am
Any development progress on the subwoofer design, James?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gordon on 4 Jan 2013, 05:09 am
A lot would depend on room size and the levels you listen at etc.  They are 89dB so I would say a 3B or 4B would be a good choice.

James

Would the new B135 handle the Mini-T's?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Jan 2013, 11:28 am
Any development progress on the subwoofer design, James?

Thanks.

Hi

Yes we are just finishing up on it now - boy the subwoofer market and the specification numbers they throw at you are arbitrary to say the least :duh:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Jan 2013, 11:29 am
Would the new B135 handle the Mini-T's?

Hi Gordon

Yes it is really an excellent combo  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: HsvHeelFan on 4 Jan 2013, 02:09 pm
James,

Would a late 4B-ST do a good job of driving the model T's, with the 4B-ST driving the Model T's in stereo mode?

HsvHeelFan
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Jan 2013, 03:09 pm
James,

Would a late 4B-ST do a good job of driving the model T's, with the 4B-ST driving the Model T's in stereo mode?

HsvHeelFan

Sure - 150 watts or so in most rooms will work just fine so anything beyond that is a bonus.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Alpha10 on 4 Jan 2013, 06:20 pm
Hi James, we were just discussing on this side of the Pond, we have assumed that PMC will not bring your speakers into the UK, does that mean we will never see them, or can there be another route?

Cheers
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Jan 2013, 07:47 pm
Hi James, we were just discussing on this side of the Pond, we have assumed that PMC will not bring your speakers into the UK, does that mean we will never see them, or can there be another route?

Cheers

It's a good question an something I will have to discuss with PMC. It would be nice if we could work something out  :thumb:

Open for suggestions  :scratch:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Alpha10 on 4 Jan 2013, 07:57 pm
It's a good question an something I will have to discuss with PMC. It would be nice if we could work something out  :thumb:

Open for suggestions  :scratch:

James

It would be nice to think PMC would, making distribution easy for you. However, given what they have done to us with the recent BIT pricing I am not sure they would give you a fair fight for sales. The obvious thing to do would choose one or a few specialist retailers who could be your conduit.

Cheers
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Jan 2013, 08:07 pm
It would be nice to think PMC would, making distribution easy for you. However, given what they have done to us with the recent BIT pricing I am not sure they would give you a fair fight for sales. The obvious thing to do would choose one or a few specialist retailers who could be your conduit.

Cheers

Yes I was thinking with recent introduction of the Specialty Bryston dealer in the UK maybe only those few select dealers handle the speakers if they want?

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Jan 2013, 08:21 pm
Hi Folks,

The official mini t's production version have landed in my soundroom 1 - doing some listening tonight  :thumb:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73296)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73297)

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: won ton on on 4 Jan 2013, 08:47 pm
Hey James pass the remote,hmm which one.........LOL.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: srb on 4 Jan 2013, 08:49 pm
Hi Folks,

The official mini t's production version have landed in my soundroom 1 - doing some listening tonight  :thumb:

As tall as those stands appear to be and the resulting height of the tweeter and midrange, do you watch movies standing up, or am I seeing just a distorted perspective in the photos?  ;)
 
Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Jan 2013, 09:04 pm

As tall as those stands appear to be and the resulting height of the tweeter and midrange, do you watch movies standing up, or am I seeing just a distorted perspective in the photos?  ;)
 
Steve

Hi Steve

No I use the tall stands as a test to see how well the power response is into the room - seated or standing there should be very little change in tonal balance if all is right with the world. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Alpha10 on 4 Jan 2013, 09:05 pm
Yes I was thinking with recent introduction of the Specialty Bryston dealer in the UK maybe only those few select dealers handle the speakers if they want?

James

Sounds like a very good idea, yes please.

Cheers
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 5 Jan 2013, 07:57 pm
Good Day James,

Any idea what the Canadian retail price will be for a pair of stands (black) for the new Mini-T speakers?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Jan 2013, 08:21 pm
Good Day James,

Any idea what the Canadian retail price will be for a pair of stands (black) for the new Mini-T speakers?

Hoping $399 list per pair. 

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: ec on 5 Jan 2013, 08:38 pm
James,

Will the Model T or Mini T be sold individually? 

When I rebuild my new Home Theatre, it will have an accoustically transparent screen.  Ideally, I want all three front speakers to be identical.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Jan 2013, 08:43 pm
James,

Will the Model T or Mini T be sold individually? 

When I rebuild my new Home Theatre, it will have an accoustically transparent screen.  Ideally, I want all three front speakers to be identical.

Yes they will be availble as singles. Going with 3 identical speakers is how it is done at the recording studio.  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 7 Jan 2013, 07:43 pm
James,

Would it be possible to post a pic of the back of the T-Mini loudspeaker that shows the binding posts?

Also, can the T-Mini be either bi-wired or bi-amped?


Thanks!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Jan 2013, 02:54 am
James,

Would it be possible to post a pic of the back of the T-Mini loudspeaker that shows the binding posts?

Also, can the T-Mini be either bi-wired or bi-amped?


Thanks!

Yes will try - it is bi-wire-able.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Jan 2013, 05:34 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Subwoofer

Bryston Subwoofer Philosophy

Attached are some of the graphs of the Bryston Model T 600 watt powered Subwoofer.  It has excellent output down to 17 Hz with a max output of 108 dB in a 4pi environment.  This is a solid subwoofer.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73749)

Subwoofers in many respects are much simpler devices than broadband loudspeakers. All of the frequencies they are reproducing are omni-directional so there is no family of curves or listening window to consider. 

Distortion:  The most important part of subwoofer distortion is that it does not produce any obnoxious mechanical noises during playback.  Since the amplifier and drivers are a combined in the same physical unit this can best be accomplished with sophisticated limiters.  For the Bryston Model T Sub we are doing it with a DSP, the ultimate limiter in our opinion.  In a perfect world you would have enough subwoofers in your room to never hit any of the limits that would cause obnoxious noises but in the real world you want a good limiter in there for those odd soundtracks that have something wonky going on every once and awhile. 

As for things like harmonic distortion our human tolerance of this is very high at low frequencies.  We have done extensive testing on this.  So if your goal is "no audible distortion", and I think that is the proper goal, then you can comfortable push the subwoofer's output to very high levels. The number that gets bandied around most often for subwoofers is 10% harmonic distortion plus noise.  Unfortunately this is too simplistic because it depends at what frequency and if it is harmonically related or not, and even which harmonic if it is. 

Limits: When setting the limits, which we can do quite precisely with the DSP, we are allowing the 2nd harmonic in the lowest frequencies, below 30 Hz, to reach about 6 dB below the fundamental. As the frequencies rise this spread rises also.  Of course this is all moot if you have enough subwoofers in your room to never get close to these limits.

Output: Every room and listening preference will mean a different level of sheer output is required.  This can be accomplished by one massive powerful subwoofer or by multiple subwoofers around the room.  Small room acoustics being what they are, multiple subwoofers have advantages beyond just the sheer output gained.  So I would say you should always increase your sheer output requirements by increasing the number of subwoofers, not simply getting a bigger and bigger single subwoofer.   Going strictly by the math every time you double the number of subwoofers in the room you will add 6 dB of output.  So four subwoofers, which is a nice number for small room acoustics, would add 12 dB to the overall output.  In reality most small rooms will have a bass hump centered around 25 Hz and as you add subwoofers you will gain minimal output around the hump but you will gain significant output, more than 6 dB with each doubling, where you need it the most for smooth in room bass response - in the dips and valleys.

In Room Linearity: It can be argued, and somewhat rightly so, that linearity does not matter if you are using EQ in your system to adjust dips and peaks in your room for the sub frequencies.  This said, not everyone is using EQ and there are good reasons why not doing so.  Using EQ is not a simple thing to get right.  Bryston does not recommend using EQ in a Subwoofer and we certainly have the equipment to set it up and implement it properly.  Using two or four subs around the room is going to do a much better job of smoothing  out the bass response in the room (assuming your subwoofers are linear in a 4pi environment to start with).  In our view this is the proper way to achieve great bass in your listening room.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 14 Jan 2013, 06:28 pm
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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 14 Jan 2013, 08:04 pm
Hi James,I'm interested.
#1 what are the pricing of Bryston subs.
#2 What type of warranty will they have,a lot are 1-2 yr,an exception is Thiel subs which are 10yr.
Is BRYSTON the exception also :green:....................hope I didn't put you on the spot :lol:..

Hey Don

Have you heard these speakers yet?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 14 Jan 2013, 08:14 pm
Hey Werd,no not as yet still pondering Maggie 3.7's.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 14 Jan 2013, 09:39 pm
Hey Werd,no not as yet still pondering Maggie 3.7's.
I'm sure they sound really good.
For now curious about the subs,hopefully James will respond.

Make sure you hear the model Ts before you jump on any thing. You can get them with the xover out of the cabinet  too.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 14 Jan 2013, 10:58 pm
Hi James

With the out board xovers. Do you jumper on the input to achieve all three woofer mid and tweeter?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Jan 2013, 11:35 pm
Hi James

With the out board xovers. Do you jumper on the input to achieve all three woofer mid and tweeter?

It comes with the 3 inputs jumpered and you can remove them if you want to Bi or Tri wire the inputs. The outputs have to be tri wired to the speaker. We offer a wiring kit for both the input and the output using the Bryston speaker cables.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 15 Jan 2013, 03:52 pm
Ok thanks  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 16 Jan 2013, 06:02 pm
Yes will try - it is bi-wire-able.

james

James,

Any chance you can post the pic of the rear of the T Mini so that we can see the binding posts?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jan 2013, 06:09 pm
James,

Any chance you can post the pic of the rear of the T Mini so that we can see the binding posts?

Hi,

Yes I will as soon as I have a spare pair - everything we have recieved has been shipped. Do you just want to know where they are located?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jan 2013, 06:23 pm
600 Watt Power Subwoofer is done

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73825)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jan 2013, 06:29 pm
New Model T Center is done:

After much testing the poloar response is better with the tweeters on the inside middle.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73826)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73827)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bummrush on 16 Jan 2013, 07:05 pm
 Although i never owned Bryston,i think here is a example of just plain different thing,and yes i could be very wrong.Ok you hear the word sub and you or at least i do square cube  somewhere in room.Then Bryston comes out with this and the first thing you notice is no cube,and then i look at the pic and i see Bryston again coming out with thier own way of doing things instead of the cube.So simple yet its looks like a heck of a way to pound out some lows.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Fido2 on 16 Jan 2013, 07:31 pm
Hey James,
 We still lookin at March before the next shipment of Model T's?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jan 2013, 07:58 pm
Although i never owned Bryston,i think here is a example of just plain different thing,and yes i could be very wrong.Ok you hear the word sub and you or at least i do square cube  somewhere in room.Then Bryston comes out with this and the first thing you notice is no cube,and then i look at the pic and i see Bryston again coming out with thier own way of doing things instead of the cube.So simple yet its looks like a heck of a way to pound out some lows.

Yes there are some advantages to using three 8 inch woofers in this configuration:

1. One is the first floor bounce.... which with a single speaker can cause a deep dip in response - usually about 60 to 80 HZ - because of the distance between the woofer the floor and the listener. With the three woofers the first floor bounce is not an issue because now you have 3 woofers different distances from the floor. 

2. Three 8's equal a 15 inch so lots of low end surface area.

3. Less of a floor footprint than a large cube.

4. If you want you can place it sideways and it will fit under the screen or in a horizontal space easier.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jan 2013, 08:02 pm
Heres a graph of lack of floor bounce using 3 woofers:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73833)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jan 2013, 08:03 pm
Hey James,
 We still lookin at March before the next shipment of Model T's?

I am working on a pair for you. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Fido2 on 16 Jan 2013, 09:46 pm
 :hyper: :bounce: :rotflmao: :banana piano:  'at's what I'm talkin 'bout!! I'm ready to pour 600 watts x 4 inputs and get this joint to jumpin! Kraftwerk at 100 db's is pretty sweet for a minute or two anyway... :D
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Jan 2013, 12:55 am
Front and Back shot for you of Mini T Boston Cherry finish

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73845)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73846)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: klao on 17 Jan 2013, 06:14 pm
Good looking subs, James.   :thumb:

Are they sealed-box design?  Can the subs' internal crossovers be set to run at 30Hz or 25Hz & below? 

I'm thinking of maybe adding a pair of subs to my Maggies 20.7, but I guess I might have to try various cutoff points (down where the subs should be active) in order to blend with the planars.  Most subs in the market offer down to only 40Hz cut points. 

Thanks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Jan 2013, 06:38 pm
Good looking subs, James.   :thumb:

Are they sealed-box design?  Can the subs' internal crossovers be set to run at 30Hz or 25Hz & below? 

I'm thinking of maybe adding a pair of subs to my Maggies 20.7, but I guess I might have to try various cutoff points (down where the subs should be active) in order to blend with the planars.  Most subs in the market offer down to only 40Hz cut points. 

Thanks.

Hi Kloa,

They are ported.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 19 Jan 2013, 01:31 pm
Front and Back shot for you of Mini T Boston Cherry finish

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73845)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73846)

James

Thanks for the pics James, it's greatly appreciated!  That's one gorgeous speaker!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jan 2013, 01:39 pm
Thanks for the pics James, it's greatly appreciated!  That's one gorgeous speaker!  :thumb:

Thanks.  - I heard it yesterday in a reviewers system where the speaker cables were worth more than the speakers  :thumb:

It is a true 3-way and it sounds really spacious with excellent dynamics.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jan 2013, 02:01 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73973)


I had my first few hours of listening to Bryston's Mini Model T speakers — they are fabulous,
and under $3k makes them an outright bargain . . .

Ernie Fisher


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73974)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: The Audio Agency on 20 Jan 2013, 08:26 am
Hi James,

It's my first post on this fab site. Say all the details are available from you, on the JT Towers' crossover, might you elaborate on the details of the Mini T crossover, pretty please  :thumb:

Richard, at the Audio Agency  :beer:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jan 2013, 01:42 pm
Hi James,

It's my first post on this fab site. Say all the details are available from you, on the JT Towers' crossover, might you elaborate on the details of the Mini T crossover, pretty please  :thumb:

Richard, at the Audio Agency  :beer:

Hi Richard

I do not have a pic of the crossover in the mini t but it is basically 1/2 of the unit in the Model T. 

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 20 Jan 2013, 02:45 pm
Can  you post a pic in
 natural

Thanks
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jan 2013, 02:52 pm
Can  you post a pic in
 natural

Thanks

Yes will get a pic for you.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jan 2013, 05:59 pm
Can  you post a pic in
 natural

Thanks


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=74120)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: The Audio Agency on 23 Jan 2013, 01:27 am
Wow and I thought a beautiful blonde was ...  :duh: ... what is her name, cause a just fell in love again! Hey James, which type of wood is 'natural' and is it semi-gloss or ? She's a beauty! :icon_lol:[/font]

Looking from far away at The Audio Agency  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jan 2013, 01:33 am
Wow and I thought a beautiful blonde was ...  :duh: ... what is her name, cause a just fell in love again! Hey James, which type of wood is 'natural' and is it semi-gloss or ? She's a beauty! :icon_lol:[/font]

Looking from far away at The Audio Agency  :thumb:

Its called Natural Cherry.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: The Audio Agency on 23 Jan 2013, 01:43 am
Ok after much careful intel 'out in the field' the word is Bryston Loudspeakers rule ... so listen-up! :green:

James, about the Mini-T (which is the Mini U :) does its crossover contain like the Bryston Model T Passive (external) Crossover internals - custom Bryston capacitors and air core inductors? Could they be purchased as an option? :)

Now be very careful those who question the wisdom of JT because here at the Audio Agency, we know who's on top-of-the-game 'JT/Bryston' :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: The Audio Agency on 23 Jan 2013, 01:45 am
Thanks for the reply "... natural cherry" wood but is it a Satin, Semi-gloss or Gloss finish?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jan 2013, 02:00 am
Thanks for the reply "... natural cherry" wood but is it a Satin, Semi-gloss or Gloss finish?

Satin

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jan 2013, 02:04 am
To:  James Tanner, Bryston
From:  Roger

Hi James:

My Model T Signature Loudspeakers with the external crossovers (non active version) arrived last Friday and after setup I had them thoroughly warm through and let them play for a day before my serious listening on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.  Having heard the Model T loudspeakers with the built in crossovers at TAVES Toronto Audio Show and at Audio One in Concord I expected to be impressed.  Actually, I was totally amazed at the performance of these speakers and I believe I now own what I consider to be full range loudspeakers without the hassles of placing subwoofers, not to mention the cost involved.   Being a lover of pipe organ music I was very impressed with the Model T’s ability to handle the low notes realistically and fully believe that the – 3dB at 25Hz specification is being realized in my listening area or maybe even better than that.

The all important mid range was a strong point of my PMC IB2i’s but I found the Model T’s to give equally satisfactory performance and the female voice of Nora Jones (Come Away With Me, 24/192 HD Tracks download) and Margo Timmins (Trinity Sessions, Cowboy Junkies) so impressed me.

The clarity and detail were excellent with imaging and soundstage comparable to my IB2i’s with the Model T’s in pretty well the same positions as for the IB2i’s.  I did notice the Model T’s seem to disappear better than the IB2’s which may be due to the narrower profile of the T’s.   Not surprisingly my Bryston 28B SST2 amps seemed like a match made in heaven driving these very efficient speakers giving awesome dynamics on symphonic music such as Mozart Symphonies 38-41 (Linn 24/88 download).  Notwithstanding this, the low level late night listening is very satisfying without losing full frequency spectrum which can happen with many lesser speakers.
 
I have to say that the packaging of these speakers was most impressive.  A nice touch was the black heavy cloth bag tied off by a string cord protecting the speakers and enabling their easy removal from the box.  The speakers came with feet already mounted and a full set of spikes included in the packaging.  The external crossovers were in good quality black cases clearly marked for all the inputs and outputs for a set of Bryston tri-wire cables (optional extra) or any other tri-wire cables.  Crossovers are thoughtfully supplied with jumpers if tri-wire cables from the amps are not available. 

The fit and finish of the natural cherry wood veneered speakers was impeccable and more than comparable with speakers costing way more dollars.  I’m sure Bryston will sell many pairs of these speakers and I certainly feel the long delivery was more than worth the wait. 

Very impressive…..well done Bryston!

Best regards,
Roger Newnham       
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jan 2013, 12:43 pm
DEALER FEEDBACK


From: Rick Ho
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 1:29 AM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Forgive me

Had to do it...

Couldn't resist....

I'm working really late tonight and had to unwind. The Model Ts are set up right up front in the shop by the counter. I downloaded Donna Summer from HD  Tracks in 24/192. Disco is really meant to be played above 100db.

These things are really really ALOT of fun.

Ps. the Goldberg Variations sounded great earlier today too but in the immortal words of Donna Summer: " when they're bad they're oh so bad"

Rick Ho
London Audio
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jan 2013, 03:11 pm
Bryston Model T ACTIVE - Demo Room 3

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=74353)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jjc1 on 26 Jan 2013, 10:42 pm
  James, the cost of the  model T ACTIVE in hardwood is?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 26 Jan 2013, 11:28 pm
With so many tweeters they remind me the first crops of Dahlton and DiVinci speakers  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jan 2013, 12:51 am
  James, the cost of the  model T ACTIVE in hardwood is?

Hi

$7495 a Pair plus $3000 for the dedicated Active Crossover.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Jan 2013, 12:13 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Customer Feedback - Bryston Model T Speakers

From: Dave Holmes
Sent: January-29-13 2:06 PM
To: Bryston: James Tanner

Subject: Bryston Mini T’s Speakers

“Hi James,

The Bryston mini t loudspeakers have just landed- very nice!

The finish laminate is "perfect" even at edges.

Bass is awesome- sound is nice and lively.

I'm sure they'll do well!”

Dave
Audio Emporium
                                                                                   



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=74501)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Jan 2013, 02:47 pm
Hi Folks,

Bryston mini t's set up in soundroom 2:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=74591)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: tim92gts on 31 Jan 2013, 05:30 pm
Hi

$7495 a Pair plus $3000 for the dedicated Active Crossover.

james

Hi James,

is that one six channel crossover unit?
If so might it be developed for other speaker designs?
A pair of 10Bs come out rather pricey for normal triamp setups.

They look lovely by the way!

Tim
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Jan 2013, 06:17 pm
Hi James,

is that one six channel crossover unit?
If so might it be developed for other speaker designs?
A pair of 10Bs come out rather pricey for normal triamp setups.

They look lovely by the way!

Tim

Hi Tim

Yes it is a -3-way so only one is needed and the software is dedicated to the Model T Active

We could program it for other speakers but have not looked at that yet.

Active done correctly is not inexpensive.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 31 Jan 2013, 07:07 pm
James,

For the Bryston Mini T speakers, would you have the dimensions?

Also, what height are the speaker stands for these?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: srb on 31 Jan 2013, 07:11 pm
For the Bryston Mini T speakers, would you have the dimensions?

MODEL t mini

H- 22.5 inches
W – 10.5 inches
D – 10 inches

Weight – 39 lbs Each

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=97007.msg1170203#msg1170203
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Jan 2013, 08:58 pm
James,

Also, what height are the speaker stands for these?

Hi

The ones in the picture are 24 inches - but in most setups 18 to 24 should work fine.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Feb 2013, 01:03 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Customer Feedback - Bryston Mini t Speakers

January 31st 2013

“Hi James

Got to hear your Bryston mini t's today at my dealer. I only listened  to them for about an hour. They are great and gets you into high end for $2500.

I am going back next week for a better listen. It would be nice to hear them with your stands. The dealer had stands on them but I would like to see them with your stands.

You know what $2500 typically gets you now?

A narrow floor-stander with cheap drivers and pitiful attempt at trying to get clean un-distorted images. They use those narrow floor standers because its cheaper. Sure if they are done right you get pinpoint image but they are never really done right.

The Bryston Mini t speakers are truly great, you ought to be proud.”


Lorne
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mkaiser on 2 Feb 2013, 05:12 am

Hopefully my dealer will get in a pair of either one for me to audition.

Mark
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 2 Feb 2013, 05:44 am
You know what $2500 typically gets you now?

5 x 46" LCD TVs

  :green:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Feb 2013, 01:31 pm
Hi Folks

Shots of the new Model T Center and mini t Center - Changed the Model T Center after further testing to place the tweeters center.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=74659)

Model T Center

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=74661)

mini t Center
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gdbalp on 2 Feb 2013, 07:07 pm
Hi James,

They look great :thumb:....

Can you provide the dimensions between the two centres and performance figures?  And do you hear any differences between them?

Any pictures with the grill covers, hoping that magnetises will be used to hold these covers?

Ciao,
Luigi

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Alpha10 on 3 Feb 2013, 04:43 pm
Hi James,

Do you have any news on whether we will ever see your speakers in the UK?

Cheers
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Feb 2013, 05:35 pm
Hi James,

Do you have any news on whether we will ever see your speakers in the UK?

Cheers

Hi Alpha

No update on that yet.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Feb 2013, 01:55 am
Hi Folks,

Shot of the new Bryston floor standing  ....."MIDDLE T" speaker.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=74922)

 james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: LSfromBC on 7 Feb 2013, 02:38 am
hiya James,

okay someone has to ask......can you please post the prices for the 2 centers, the sub, and the new middle T's?

also, is the sub self powered?

thanks James.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Feb 2013, 03:03 am
hiya James,

okay someone has to ask......can you please post the prices for the 2 centers, the sub, and the new middle T's?

also, is the sub self powered?

thanks James.

Still working on final prices on the Centers but looks like about $3000 for the Model T Center and $2200 for the mini t Center.  Hope the Middle T will be about $4000 the pair.

The Sub is $4195 and has a 600 watt internal amplifier.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: m00nhawk on 7 Feb 2013, 06:02 am
What sub?  Have any pics been posted?   :scratch:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: SHV on 7 Feb 2013, 06:11 am
What sub?  Have any pics been posted?   :scratch:

« Reply #894 on: 16 Jan 2013, 06:23 pm »this thread

Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: m00nhawk on 7 Feb 2013, 04:16 pm
« Reply #894 on: 16 Jan 2013, 06:23 pm »this thread

Steve


Thanks!!  I guess I haven't been paying attention...  :duh:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 8 Feb 2013, 05:38 pm
Hi Folks,

Shot of the new Bryston floor standing  ....."MIDDLE T" speaker.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=74922)

 james

Beautiful!   :thumb:

What are the dimensions of the Middle T and what will be their Canadian retail price (black finish)?

Also, will the Middle T be bi-wireable or bi-ampable?

Last, do they have a rear port?

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: HsvHeelFan on 8 Feb 2013, 05:52 pm
Hi James,

When do you expect that the Subwoofer will make it's appearance on the Bryston website?

HsvHeelFan
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Feb 2013, 08:06 pm
Beautiful!   :thumb:

What are the dimensions of the Middle T and what will be their Canadian retail price (black finish)?

Also, will the Middle T be bi-wireable or bi-ampable?

Last, do they have a rear port?

Hi

Height is about 40 inches. The retail I hope around $4000 the pair.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Feb 2013, 08:07 pm
Hi James,

When do you expect that the Subwoofer will make it's appearance on the Bryston website?

HsvHeelFan

Should be soon.  Did you have a specific question?

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: HsvHeelFan on 8 Feb 2013, 08:30 pm
James,

I was interested in what kinds of inputs it has and if it has built-in bass management.

Hmm, Bryston sub with my KEF's or just spring for a set of Model-T's?  It's an interesting dilemma.

HsvHeelFan
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Feb 2013, 08:43 pm
James,

I was interested in what kinds of inputs it has and if it has built-in bass management.

Hmm, Bryston sub with my KEF's or just spring for a set of Model-T's?  It's an interesting dilemma.

HsvHeelFan

Hi

No built in bass management but all the other - balanced ins, gain, phase etc.  I will try to get a shot of the back for you.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Feb 2013, 11:51 pm
Rear of Model T Sub


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75032)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75040)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Ron D on 9 Feb 2013, 12:07 am
very nice looking sub. Good thing you didn't place a passive version beside it - don't think the table would hold it given the bend I see with just 1 sub on it  :wink:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Feb 2013, 01:22 am
very nice looking sub. Good thing you didn't place a passive version beside it - don't think the table would hold it given the bend I see with just 1 sub on it  :wink:

Yup - sold by the pound :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: LSfromBC on 9 Feb 2013, 03:41 am
 8) nice sub amp. are these 600 watts rms? do you think you will sell them seperately somewhere down the road?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Feb 2013, 01:23 pm
8) nice sub amp. are these 600 watts rms? do you think you will sell them seperately somewhere down the road?

Yes a 600 watt Class D amp.

We have been asked by other manufacturers to supply an OEM version.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: klao on 11 Feb 2013, 03:59 pm
Rear of Model T Sub

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75032)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75040)


Hi Kloa,

They are ported.

james

Hi James,

The sub looks sealed; a change in design or is it front ported?

Thanks,
Klao
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 11 Feb 2013, 04:15 pm
C'mon guys a lighted power switch costs only a few cents more..... and the "purists" camp please refrain from posting BS on how an LED "would add noise to the audio signal".....


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75151)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Feb 2013, 05:13 pm

Hi James,

The sub looks sealed; a change in design or is it front ported?

Thanks,
Klao

HI

Yes we decided on a sealed system for the powered version of the sub.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Feb 2013, 05:16 pm
C'mon guys a lighted power switch costs only a few cents more..... and the "purists" camp please refrain from posting BS on how an LED "would add noise to the audio signal".....


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75151)

There is a Power LED near the top at the volume control that indicates power on or off.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 11 Feb 2013, 05:22 pm
There is a Power LED near the top at the volume control that indicates power on or off.

james

Speaking User Interface design, if it's indicating presence of power it should be located near the power button not the volume one?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Feb 2013, 05:30 pm
Speaking User Interface design, if it's indicating presence of power it should be located near the power button not the volume one?

Why would it matter?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 11 Feb 2013, 05:36 pm
It becomes obvious what the LED is indicating.

Otherwise you may want to silkscreen "Power" under it, as not to be confused with "Clipping", "Signal in nominal range" or some other indication related to Volume (not power).
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Feb 2013, 07:49 pm
Hi Folks,

Some pics of the 600 watt amp module in the Model T Subwoofer


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75161)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75162)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75163)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Feb 2013, 07:44 pm
Hi Folks,

Just got this today - excerpt from a full review coming on the Bryston mini t loudspeaker:


MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini t Speakers – Full Review Coming


February 13, 2013

Shortly after I had finished the big Model T review, the Mini T’s arrived. They are about one-half the size of the big Ts and are designed for placement on stands. Whenever I think of relatively low priced loudspeakers, many well-known mass market brands come to mind — most of which hold no interest for me. Many produce good speakers that work well with a wide range of equipment, but only few qualify to play back and do justice to the music, This is where the Mini T’s come in — and at $2550 a pair (plus stands) represent highly affordable quality by today's standards.

The Minis boast remarkable accuracy, overall balance and musicality, sonic elements generally found in more complex loudspeaker designs costing more than double. The technical information is in the specifications, but a few details deserve note: The Mini T’s do a better job of providing solid bass than any other so-called bookshelf speakers I have encountered at their price range. The Minis do a better job of providing deep bass than any other speaker I've encountered close to their price. They can produce or reproduce a true 35Hz at low to moderate volumes with excellent control whereas most speakers in this price range either give up well above 40Hz or wind up with serious boominess,

The crossover is extremely smooth across the band. Many loudspeakers in the higher price claim advanced technology and components, but still reveal minor problems, The Minis however, rival much more expensive designs in its seamlessness and integration.

The Minis' radiation pattern is extremely well chosen. Imaging is excellent over a relatively wide listening area, but room interaction remains limited. There are no major shifts in imaging and sound-stage as frequencies rise — a problem with virtually all loudspeaker design, but most noticeable in relatively inexpensive models. Power handling is simply "great". This is not a rock speaker in the sense that one can drive the eardrums into the scull. Nor can one push bass output to the level of a loudspeaker twice its size. For this, one needs the larger Model T. Nevertheless,  the Minis will handle orchestral fortissimos, energetic big band jazz and rock; and they will easily do the blues and small jazz ensembles — and they do all of that very well indeed.

Full review to follow in the next week or so.

Ernie Fisher
Inner Ear Magazine



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75265)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers - THD+Noise measurements
Post by: gahabana on 17 Feb 2013, 08:20 am
James, audiocircle members -
would you be so kind and provide little bit of clarity on THD+Noise measurements of the Model T speakers posted earlier ?

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=97007.msg1130499#msg1130499

From what I understand those 2 charts show energy level of THD+Noise of the speakers relative to the output power. 2 test cases - 90db and 95db while THD+Noise hovers around 60db. Which would indicate 2 things - distortion of the speakers is not power dependant and is very linear (i.e. THD+Noise) remains the at same level though power level increased from 90db to 95db. however, delta between the two is only about 30-35db which would indicate distortion in the range of several 1.7% or 3% respectively which seems to be way too much ...

Have seen simmilar measurements of other speakers (i.e. Axiom M80 @ http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/axiom_m80v2/) but their measurements were done at 2m distance so it would not be comparing apples and apples,  but most of the speakers exhibit delta of more then 50db through out the 50hz-10khz range.

Thanks in advance for your explanation !!!

Gaha

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers - THD+Noise measurements
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Feb 2013, 12:33 pm
James, audiocircle members -
would you be so kind and provide little bit of clarity on THD+Noise measurements of the Model T speakers posted earlier ?

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=97007.msg1130499#msg1130499

From what I understand those 2 charts show energy level of THD+Noise of the speakers relative to the output power. 2 test cases - 90db and 95db while THD+Noise hovers around 60db. Which would indicate 2 things - distortion of the speakers is not power dependant and is very linear (i.e. THD+Noise) remains the at same level though power level increased from 90db to 95db. however, delta between the two is only about 30-35db which would indicate distortion in the range of several 1.7% or 3% respectively which seems to be way too much ...

Have seen simmilar measurements of other speakers (i.e. Axiom M80 @ http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/axiom_m80v2/) but their measurements were done at 2m distance so it would not be comparing apples and apples,  but most of the speakers exhibit delta of more then 50db through out the 50hz-10khz range.

Thanks in advance for your explanation !!!

Gaha


Hi Gaha

OK - will ask engineering for you.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Feb 2013, 05:31 pm
Hi

I checked with engineering and they tell me those graphs were very early in the development so we will post more up to date graphs next week.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gahabana on 17 Feb 2013, 11:31 pm
James,
thanks for your prompt/weekend response!!! Really appreciate attention !
BR,
   Gaha
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PETE6737 on 18 Feb 2013, 05:48 pm
I have a 10 year old 14 BST. Will this power the model Ts satisfactorily?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Feb 2013, 06:36 pm
I have a 10 year old 14 BST. Will this power the model Ts satisfactorily?

Absolutely - I would say a 4B and above is ample power for the Model T.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: tomsenko on 18 Feb 2013, 09:03 pm
Hi folks!
Just noticed Axiom has released their new flagship speakers LFR1100 which seem pretty similar to Model T, rear firing drivers aside.
http://www.axiomaudio.com/omnidirectional-speaker

It would be interesting to read some comparison between the two beasts.

T
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: srb on 18 Feb 2013, 09:22 pm
It would be interesting to read some comparison between the two beasts.

Comparing the 108 lb. Bryston Model T with 3 x 8" woofers and the 66 lb. Axiom LFR 1100 with 3 x 6.5" woofers, I would expect the Bryston to be "beastier".

The LFR 1100 has passive crossovers, as the two sets of speaker posts are for the front and rear drivers.  I didn't see any details on the included external DSP processor, but I would assume there would be some provision for attenuation of the rear drivers to dial in the preferred effect?

Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Feb 2013, 10:19 pm
Hi folks!
Just noticed Axiom has released their new flagship speakers LFR1100 which seem pretty similar to Model T, rear firing drivers aside.
http://www.axiomaudio.com/omnidirectional-speaker

It would be interesting to read some comparison between the two beasts.

T

Hi

Totally different - - Axiom is a bi-pole using 4 channels of amplification and a DSP electronic crossover to control front and rear drivers and passive internal crossover.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: vegasdave on 19 Feb 2013, 01:55 am
It becomes obvious what the LED is indicating.

Otherwise you may want to silkscreen "Power" under it, as not to be confused with "Clipping", "Signal in nominal range" or some other indication related to Volume (not power).

Give it a rest.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: KingstonMoon on 19 Feb 2013, 02:33 am
I may have missed a detail in my quick review of this thread , but have the Bryston  Mini T started shipping to dealers in Ontario - looking for an audition and a purchase . Price point for spec and early reviews are very positive . The medium size units  ,  pricing around  the 4000.00 dollar mark - as per James , what is the scheduled release date on those units ?

Thanks so much !  Great forum !
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Feb 2013, 04:06 am
I may have missed a detail in my quick review of this thread , but have the Bryston  Mini T started shipping to dealers in Ontario - looking for an audition and a purchase . Price point for spec and early reviews are very positive . The medium size units  ,  pricing around  the 4000.00 dollar mark - as per James , what is the scheduled release date on those units ?

Thanks so much !  Great forum !

Hi KingstonMoon

Yes the mini t is available now - they are $2550 a pair list - where are you located??

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: KingstonMoon on 19 Feb 2013, 11:12 pm
Hi KingstonMoon

Yes the mini t is available now - they are $2550 a pair list - where are you located??

james

Hi James !

Here in Kingston !   Looking at the black finish  . Excited to give these a try !

Shawn
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Feb 2013, 11:31 pm
Hi James !

Here in Kingston !   Looking at the black finish  . Excited to give these a try !

Shawn

OK great - contact Mark at Whitby Audio 905 668 0787

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: KingstonMoon on 19 Feb 2013, 11:36 pm
OK great - contact Mark at Whitby Audio 905 668 0787

James

Excellent !  Mark it is , Whitby Audio !  This is the start of another complete kit of hifi . A SimAudio Moon/ PMC  setup at present and is a keeper  but a dedicated Bryston top to bottom commences real soon . Got to give the Mini T a serious look and listen - love what i see so far ! Fall - winter 2013-2014 is a dive into the gear !
Is the local kingston fella , Larry , still a dealer on the Bryston ?

Thanks James ! 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Feb 2013, 11:40 pm
Excellent !  Mark it is , Whitby Audio !  This is the start of another complete kit of hifi . A SimAudio Moon/ PMC  setup at present and is a keeper  but a dedicated Bryston top to bottom commences real soon . Got to give the Mini T a serious look and listen - love what i see so far ! Fall - winter 2013-2014 is a dive into the gear !
Is the local kingston fella , Larry , still a dealer on the Bryston ?

Thanks James !

Hi

No Larry is not a dealer for the speakers.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: KingstonMoon on 19 Feb 2013, 11:49 pm
Hi

No Larry is not a dealer for the speakers.

james

That's a 10-4 !   Im down GTA very often , will call Mark as soon as tomorrow - im off to Autoshow friday and may pitstop - but back  the next friday for a couple concerts over the weekend  . Ears may not be good for detailed listening lol .
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Feb 2013, 12:09 am
That's a 10-4 !   Im down GTA very often , will call Mark as soon as tomorrow - im off to Autoshow friday and may pitstop - but back  the next friday for a couple concerts over the weekend  . Ears may not be good for detailed listening lol .

Great - let me know what you think.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: KingstonMoon on 20 Feb 2013, 12:28 am
Great - let me know what you think.

James

Will do !  Excited about this . I've been stuck on your website for 30 minutes now lol having a good look and read .

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 20 Feb 2013, 03:51 am
Comparing the 108 lb. Bryston Model T with 3 x 8" woofers and the 66 lb. Axiom LFR 1100 with 3 x 6.5" woofers, I would expect the Bryston to be "beastier".

The LFR 1100 has passive crossovers, as the two sets of speaker posts are for the front and rear drivers.  I didn't see any details on the included external DSP processor, but I would assume there would be some provision for attenuation of the rear drivers to dial in the preferred effect?

Steve

Nice cones on that LFR, reminds me of Yamaha NS-F700  :P
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Anonamemouse on 20 Feb 2013, 11:14 am
It becomes obvious what the LED is indicating.

Otherwise you may want to silkscreen "Power" under it, as not to be confused with "Clipping", "Signal in nominal range" or some other indication related to Volume (not power).
Give it a rest.

Napalm, pay attention please!
The divine Vegasdave has commanded! OBEY!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Feb 2013, 11:31 am
Nice cones on that LFR, reminds me of Yamaha NS-F700  :P

Why are you such a negative person????

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 20 Feb 2013, 12:12 pm
Why are you such a negative person????

james

Why negative, did I say NS10?  :nono:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Feb 2013, 12:16 pm
Why negative, did I say NS10?  :nono:

Maybe its me Mapalm, and forgive me if I am misinterpreting, but it just seems most of your comments are based on "the glass is half emptyl" most of the time. ???

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 20 Feb 2013, 12:24 pm
Maybe its me Mapalm, and forgive me if I am misinterpreting, but it just seems most of your comments are based on "the glass is half emptyl" most of the time. ???

james

James you're "profiling" me now.... if I'm black, wear a hoodie and have a bulge in my pants doesn't necessarily mean that I'm up to mugging you.

OTOH if the glass is not full, why should everyone talk only about the full side? Is there some conspiracy here and I'm breaking the rules? Initiate me.....
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 20 Feb 2013, 12:26 pm
Give it a rest.


Napalm, pay attention please!
The divine Vegasdave has commanded! OBEY!

Not right now, I'm busy moving Dave's instrument panel to the passenger side....
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Feb 2013, 12:38 pm
James you're "profiling" me now.... if I'm black, wear a hoodie and have a bulge in my pants doesn't necessarily mean that I'm up to mugging you.

OTOH if the glass is not full, why should everyone talk only about the full side? Is there some conspiracy here and I'm breaking the rules? Initiate me.....

OK I see I am getting nowhere with this - so signing off any more comments.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 20 Feb 2013, 04:03 pm
James what will the warranty be on the model T's and the subs.
Will  both model subs have 8" drivers,thx.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Feb 2013, 04:39 pm
James what will the warranty be on the model T's and the subs.
Will  both model subs have 8" drivers,thx.

Hi,

Will start with 5 years but probably expand it to 10.

Yes - three 8 inch drivers in the Subs.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Feb 2013, 05:52 pm
Hi Folks,

The first draft of the Bryston Home Theater Speaker brochure is available . Have to add a smaller Center and a new Middle T tower speaker to the mix yet plus we are going to a 3-way Onwall and Inwall

If anyone wants a PDF of it email me - jamestanner@bryston.com

Comments welcome.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 20 Feb 2013, 09:57 pm
Hi James just emalied for a copy thanks.
I think you want people to spend some more coin as even 5yr warranty is good,but 10 yr,That's Bryston all over it.
Have to say two other very well known sub companies which I used their warranty was 1-2 yr and all those subs I had, had amp trouble or they just died.4 of them I bought used(only 1.5 yr. old,new well over 3000)not impressed.
It's actually great that happened as my 1812 musically made them sound like techno bass or racket.
Can't believe the difference until I auditioned her at a dealers room.
Do we know the price of the passive with ext X-over yet.
I think I'd feed it with a 7bsst2 or maybe even a 28.
Frig,already getting charged here,anyway thanks James.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Feb 2013, 12:32 am
Hi Folks,

First 'official' review on the Bryston mini t speaker:

http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/speakers/Bryston_Modet_mini-T.shtml

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: KingstonMoon on 21 Feb 2013, 12:51 am
Hi Folks,

First 'official' review on the Bryston mini t speaker:

http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/speakers/Bryston_Modet_mini-T.shtml

james

Hi James !

Called mark today at Whitby Audio, nice folks and eager to help  !  listening demo set for Friday afternoon ! im excited !!  Thankyou for your direction !


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Feb 2013, 03:41 am
Hi Folks,

Here is a shot of the Model T 3-way ONWALL (TOW) - there will also be an INWALL (TIW) version as well.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75683)

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: ec on 21 Feb 2013, 04:58 am
I think you want people to spend some more coin as even 5yr warranty is good,but 10 yr,That's Bryston all over it.
Have to say two other very well known sub companies which I used their warranty was 1-2 yr and all those subs I had, had amp trouble or they just died.4 of them I bought used(only 1.5 yr. old,new well over 3000)not impressed.

I recall reading an article in Stereophile way back when (at least 10+ years) written by Russ Herschelmann where he recommended using passive subs for a variety of reasons.  My first sub was powered but then I replaced them with very well regarded passive subs.  I found this very beneficial because:
1. I just needed to run speaker cable to the passive sub vs running a line level cable and power cable if there was no outlet nearby.
2. I could choose my amps.  Yes this an expensive proposition.  The amps generally found in subs are not exactly high quality as per the quote above. 
3. it made running multiple subs easier (some amps have daisy chaining capabilities and or have the one mono signal sent to both channels without the use of a splitter)
4. In addition to the amps, I had to add my own PEQ - again more $ but more flexible

Subs will generally come in these flavours
A. self powered (majority of the market)
B. passive but accompanied by an external power amp
C. passive

Maybe Bryston should consider option B or even C so servicing could be easier and provide more flexibility.  If option B, then the woofer and cabinet can also be warranted differently / seperately from the amplifer.   If the Bryston sub is servo controlled C is probably not an option.  If mating the amp with the sub is critical maybe a combination of A and B.  Design the sub so the amp can be integrated as part of the sub eg sits on top of the sub so it is essentially A but the self contained amp section can be placed in a different location essentially B.


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Feb 2013, 12:53 pm
I recall reading an article in Stereophile way back when (at least 10+ years) written by Russ Herschelmann where he recommended using passive subs for a variety of reasons.  My first sub was powered but then I replaced them with very well regarded passive subs.  I found this very beneficial because:
1. I just needed to run speaker cable to the passive sub vs running a line level cable and power cable if there was no outlet nearby.
2. I could choose my amps.  Yes this an expensive proposition.  The amps generally found in subs are not exactly high quality as per the quote above. 
3. it made running multiple subs easier (some amps have daisy chaining capabilities and or have the one mono signal sent to both channels without the use of a splitter)
4. In addition to the amps, I had to add my own PEQ - again more $ but more flexible

Subs will generally come in these flavours
A. self powered (majority of the market)
B. passive but accompanied by an external power amp
C. passive

Maybe Bryston should consider option B or even C so servicing could be easier and provide more flexibility.  If option B, then the woofer and cabinet can also be warranted differently / seperately from the amplifer.   If the Bryston sub is servo controlled C is probably not an option.  If mating the amp with the sub is critical maybe a combination of A and B.  Design the sub so the amp can be integrated as part of the sub eg sits on top of the sub so it is essentially A but the self contained amp section can be placed in a different location essentially B.

HI

I like the idea of a quality amplifier built into the subwoofer because it leaves nothing to chance from a performance standpoint.  You now exactly what driver your dealing with and how much power is applicable. You can taylor the response using the amplifier to extend low frequency response etc. 

For instance to get the same low frequency response in the Model T Active sub in the Passive version of the sub you would have to port the system or increase the box size relative to the sealed box of the current Active Model T sub.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 21 Feb 2013, 02:28 pm
James has the model T active sub been compared to other subs such as the SS-2,F-113,DD-15 ect perchance.
Wondering where it sits in the sub domain as far as performance(which I'm sure is very good).
I imagine you have compared to your SS-2's.
Hopefully your allowed to answer.
Also when will dealers(Alberta)be getting their hands on these,thx.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Feb 2013, 03:37 pm
James has the model T active sub been compared to other subs such as the SS-2,F-113,DD-15 ect perchance.
Wondering where it sits in the sub domain as far as performance(which I'm sure is very good).
I imagine you have compared to your SS-2's.
Hopefully your allowed to answer.
Also when will dealers(Alberta)be getting their hands on these,thx.

Hi Don

Boy I sure found out a lot about Subs while developing the Model T Sub.  The main issue I saw was that many of the performance specifications are shall we say "exaggerated".   The main thing is how deep will it go and at what levels of distortion and at what SPL (sound presssure level).

You can not get a true reading on the very low frequencies in an anechoic chamber or gating type systems so we use a pole outside which is 50 feet in the air and do all the low bass measurements postioning the sub on the top of the pole on a quiet (no wind) day.  It really tells you what the true response is and I feel confident in saying that the Model T Sub will compete with any 15 inch Sub (3x8 inches) out there.

Also as an aside - in our testing I found that if you need more sound pressure and low distortion Sub playback you are far better off adding a second Sub rather than purchasing a larger single Sub.  The 2nd Sub really helps reduce room resonances.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 21 Feb 2013, 07:47 pm
I remember a thread somewhere(think it was JL audio)where they were testing their subs outside,the F-113 I believe.
So James when are these subs out and what's the MSRP and when does Audio Ark get one so I can demo :green:..

OOPS price 4195.00 are these subs out to retail store now THX.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Feb 2013, 07:50 pm
I remember a thread somewhere(think it was JL audio)where they were testing their subs outside,the F-113 I believe.
So James when are these subs out and what's the MSRP and when does Audio Ark get one so I can demo :green:..

The Sub is $4195 and we started shipping this week.  Not sure if AA has any on order.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: neekomax on 21 Feb 2013, 09:33 pm
Also as an aside - in our testing I found that if you need more sound pressure and low distortion Sub playback you are far better off adding a second Sub rather than purchasing a larger single Sub.  The 2nd Sub really helps reduce room resonances.

This is interesting. A little OT maybe, but in your opinion, would two decent 8" 'budget' subs be better than a single, slightly-less 'budget' 12" sub, based on your research?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Feb 2013, 10:29 pm
This is interesting. A little OT maybe, but in your opinion, would two decent 8" 'budget' subs be better than a single, slightly-less 'budget' 12" sub, based on your research?

Hi

The low frequency capability is generally determined by the woofer driver size (surface area) and the box and loading it resides in - so a 12 inch would generally go lower in frequency than an 8 inch. But placing more than 1 woofer in a room will really help smooth out the low frequency response throughout the room and reduce the huge amplitude dips generally prevalent with one woofer placement - not to mention a serious reduction in distortion.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 22 Feb 2013, 12:18 am
James as the Model T sub is a plate amp and she delivers 600w,how does it compare to say the 7Bsst2 or are the amps totally different beasts.
Just thinking as they both do 600w,course no heat sinks on the model T sub so maybe a lot more efficient.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Feb 2013, 12:24 am
James as the Model T sub is a plate amp and she delivers 600w,how does it compare to say the 7Bsst2 or are the amps totally different beasts.
Just thinking as they both do 600w,course no heat sinks on the model T sub so maybe a lot more efficient.

Hi Don

Yes different amps. The amp in the Model T Sub is a Class D design and is very well suited to woofer applications.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Feb 2013, 12:21 pm
REPORT FROM SINGAPORE

From: Thomas Forster
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 1:13 AM
To: jamestanner
Subject: Model T...just heard the showroom pair


Hi James

Just had a chance to see the Model T's in Ivy's showroom and listen to them for a few songs....Wow..the speakers look much more sleek and slim than I was hoping for...perfect for the "wife" factor ! :)

Sound is beautifully natural...amazing snare drum punch..and the vocals sound silky and real....

Cheers !
Tom
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: klao on 22 Feb 2013, 05:43 pm
Also as an aside - in our testing I found that if you need more sound pressure and low distortion Sub playback you are far better off adding a second Sub rather than purchasing a larger single Sub.  The 2nd Sub really helps reduce room resonances.

Any chance there'll also be "Mini T Sub", so I can afford to get 2 of them?   :wink:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Feb 2013, 06:13 pm
Any chance there'll also be "Mini T Sub", so I can afford to get 2 of them?   :wink:

Hi Klao

Have not looked at  that yet but sounds like it might be an option.  The other option is use 1 large sub and 1 smaller sub - the large one gets down there and the small one helps fills the holes higher up.


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 22 Feb 2013, 07:29 pm
Hi Folks,

Some pics of the 600 watt amp module in the Model T Subwoofer

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75163)

Does it have a shield that was intentionally not installed for the photo session, or will Marius have some cell phone trouble with this one too?

 :P
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: BrysTony on 22 Feb 2013, 07:52 pm
Does it have a shield that was intentionally not installed for the photo session, or will Marius have some cell phone trouble with this one too?

 :P


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75760)
 :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 22 Feb 2013, 09:17 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RF_bag_with_iPhone.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RF_bag_with_iPhone.jpg)

 :eyebrows:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 23 Feb 2013, 02:03 am
James,I'm curious for the model T sub  as to the 8" drivers even though there are three of em.
Was there any thought say using 10, or 12's.Course if the T sub surpasses some well known 15's I think I'm in.
I'm old school where I think and still do a bigger driver will move more air but maybe harder to control.
I don't care how big the sub is or the drivers it's the bass quality,lowend,mid bass punch ect.that count.
Have to audition 1-2 of these just to see and compare to my _ _ _ _as I have not heard anything like it yet.
Have to light a fire under Roberts butt to get a few in at AA.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 23 Feb 2013, 02:16 am
Even better, skip the tweeters and check a real bass driver (15"):
 
http://www.paradigm.com/products/products-by-category/subwoofer/signature/signature-series/sub-25 (http://www.paradigm.com/products/products-by-category/subwoofer/signature/signature-series/sub-25)

They eventually had to permanently bolt the grille on, as at 3kW RMS no removable mount was able to keep it in place  :P

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 23 Feb 2013, 03:32 am
doesn't matter to me if that sub can break the death grip of the termites holding hands in this ol shack,I'm after musical.
Low notes are fine even clean but there's mid bass also which alot(and I've tried em)don't get.
The sub I have now does and if I can get smaller that'll do the same then I'm game with a 5-10 yr warranty :thumb:.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Robert D on 23 Feb 2013, 12:34 pm
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/subwoofers/subwoofers-reviews/paradigm-sub-1-subwoofer/page-3-in-use.html

Don, I purchased a pair of Sub 1's .
They were most wecome

Take a Look

Ps I would have probably gone with a pair of Sub 2's but I just could not lift up the Box that they were shipped in  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Feb 2013, 12:48 pm
Did a Bryston night at London Audio last night introducing the Bryston loudspeakers - lots of fun and thanks everyone for showing up even with the terrible weather.  :thumb: :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: KingstonMoon on 23 Feb 2013, 01:38 pm

Glad to hear all was great in London last night !

I had my demo experience with the Bryston Mini T's yesterday with the great crew at Whitby Audio . Mark was very very helpful , patient , accommodating , knowledgeable , and has real passion for service and  hi fidelity audio ! Thank you James for the direction on that !

The mini T demo had me excited all day - got my way through the Auto show in a couple hours and back on the road to Whitby Audio i went - great way to wrap up the week !

Without any hesitation i can say with my own experience , and about 90 minutes of listening ,  the Mini t's performed beautifully and with such smooth range . I played a number of pieces ( Demo material available resembled my own audio collection lol ) , Kate Bush - Metallica , Vangelis , Roger Whitaker , Cult , beastie boys , Enya , Iron maiden ,  Bowie ,  Moby , Max webster  , Donna Summer  , Joy Division , Madonna, Buddy Rich  etc etc etc -- a real mix of music and vocals and the Mini T's performed it all so right ! Vocals , percussion ( i love percussion ) , piano , guitar in every intensity , rapid drum/snare , anthem like synths , high reaching vocals 
and vocal without instrument etc . The sound presented was pure , crisp ,  and toe tapping !  The highs , mids and lows were represented fully - to a scale i had not heard at all from a standmount and at this price point and higher . The bass performance was  powerful , fast , tight , and very very capable , VERY capable - wow . No noise from the speakers -- just the truth - the music , the instruments and vocals as they were meant to be .

You and the Bryston team have made best in class gear for a long long time , and have added  speakers to the mix in a huge way !  Well done on all levels ! The finish , feel , robustness , weight and cabinet density / strength really reflect on your firm's attention to detail . I am a well studied and researched consumer - dont by junk - pay more for better and better service , and buy it for a lifetime sort of investment person . The Mini T's are on my investment list and real fast ! I thoroughly enjoyed how they played and how they made me feel . Two thumbs way up to borrow a phrase !

Enjoy your weekend ! 

Shawn
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Feb 2013, 01:41 pm
James,I'm curious for the model T sub  as to the 8" drivers even though there are three of em.
Was there any thought say using 10, or 12's.Course if the T sub surpasses some well known 15's I think I'm in.
I'm old school where I think and still do a bigger driver will move more air but maybe harder to control.
I don't care how big the sub is or the drivers it's the bass quality,lowend,mid bass punch ect.that count.
Have to audition 1-2 of these just to see and compare to my _ _ _ _as I have not heard anything like it yet.
Have to light a fire under Roberts butt to get a few in at AA.

Hi Don

There is method in my madness for choosing three 8 inch woofers over a single 15 other than style of course.  There is always a "floor bounce" dip when you place a subwoofer in a room.  The floor bounce creates a dip in response due to the distance the woofer driver is from the floor and the distance your ears are from the woofer. It can be a very large dip and the advantage of 3 stacked woofers is that each driver is a different distance from the floor so the dip is greatly reduced due to the averaging.

Below is a graph of the model T Sub showing the in room response and you will notice it is very smooth with no large dips up to around 300 Hz.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75808)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 23 Feb 2013, 02:26 pm
Damn James, must be satisfyin as heck to create all this audio from the ground up,NICE ONE.
Course we the consumer get the candles lit on the different cakes you and Bryston make.
Imagine diggin in deep in for 40 or more yrs. just in audio let alone the other related aspects of audio.
Sat today,gonna see if AA will be getting a few in,then I can home audition.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 23 Feb 2013, 11:52 pm
Mhhh James it seems you're quite selective with your answers, but inquisitive minds really want to know - is the Bryston sub amplifier shielded or not?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Feb 2013, 01:18 am
Mhhh James it seems you're quite selective with your answers, but inquisitive minds really want to know - is the Bryston sub amplifier shielded or not?

Yes- has to be for CE approvals.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 24 Feb 2013, 01:34 am
Isn't that an european certification? BTW I just realized that the one in the pics is marked CE but no UL/ULC, and there's no 110/220V switch visible, will you have different makes for the north american / european markets?

Any pics?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Feb 2013, 01:57 am
Isn't that an european certification? BTW I just realized that the one in the pics is marked CE but no UL/ULC, and there's no 110/220V switch visible, will you have different makes for the north american / european markets?

Any pics?

Hi

Yes CE is for Europe and CSA as for North America.

Yes we will probably have specific units for 120 and 230.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Feb 2013, 04:44 pm
Some recent shots of the new center, sub and Model T

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75970)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75971)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75974)



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 25 Feb 2013, 07:46 pm
Hi James,

Forgive me if this has been asked before, but the sub looks like the bottom half of the full Model T. If this is true, do I really need the Sub then, if playing the Model T?

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 25 Feb 2013, 07:51 pm
Some recent shots of the new center, sub and Model T

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75970)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75971)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=75974)

Fine looking family you have there James. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Feb 2013, 07:53 pm
Hi James,

Forgive me if this has been asked before, but the sub looks like the bottom half of the full Model T. If this is true, do I really need the Sub then, if playing the Model T?

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

You would not need a Sub with the Model T's - they are good down to 25 Hz.  The External Sub would go a little lower (17 Hz) but would be more suited to a Surround .1 channel or to augment the mini t's.   The Model T Sub is actually a little larger than the bottom of the Model T because we needed the larger internal volume.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 25 Feb 2013, 08:16 pm
Thanks James,

Eight hz might seem rather small a difference, but this low is quite a leap.  http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html  give or take the difference between a C0 to G0, a full fifth.
Hearing/feeling the sub frequencies, infrasound,  really adds to the excitement and experience of music. Whether or not our rooms are large enough to play/hear them is another issue altogether.
I like to point to this graph http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm to show why.

It's like this, the difference between hearing the roar or the purr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound  :thumb:


Cheers, I'll be glad and am looking forward to testing them when they finally arrive on our side of the pond. keep up the great work you're doing!

Marius

Hi Marius,

You would not need a Sub with the Model T's - they are good down to 25 Hz.  The External Sub would go a little lower (17 Hz) but would be more suited to a Surround .1 channel or to augment the mini t's.   The Model T Sub is actually a little larger than the bottom of the Model T because we needed the larger internal volume.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: KingstonMoon on 25 Feb 2013, 11:52 pm
Great - let me know what you think.

James


Mini T !  Absolutely Awesome lol !  Bryston has a huge new category of excellence with the Model T line . Listened well and long with the mini T last friday . I am fully impressed - blown away ! This is the start of something real good ! 

Great work James ! 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Feb 2013, 01:04 am

Mini T !  Absolutely Awesome lol !  Bryston has a huge new category of excellence with the Model T line . Listened well and long with the mini T last friday . I am fully impressed - blown away ! This is the start of something real good ! 

Great work James !

Well thanks - much appreciated :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: KingstonMoon on 26 Feb 2013, 01:09 am
Well thanks - much appreciated :thumb:

No prob ! im going to place order tomorrow with the crew at Whitby Audio ! Posted a review a couple pages back in more detail , have a read if you have a chance .

Looking so forward to Mini T in the hifi kit !

Shawn
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: med on 26 Feb 2013, 04:00 pm
Absolutely - I would say a 4B and above is ample power for the Model T.

James

How about for the Mini T and Middle T? Would a 3BST be ample amplification?

And how would a 2B-LP do with the on-wall/in-wall speakers as surrounds?

Thanks!

-Matt
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Feb 2013, 04:08 pm
How about for the Mini T and Middle T? Would a 3BST be ample amplification?

And how would a 2B-LP do with the on-wall/in-wall speakers as surrounds?

Thanks!

-Matt
+

Hi Matt

A lot depends on the levels you listen at and the room size but under normal circumstances the 3B would be fine with either the mini t or the soon to be Middle T.  2B-LP will be fine on the onwalls.

Folks I have to say the mini t is just one of the best speakers I know of - they continue to surprise me  :thumb:

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: med on 26 Feb 2013, 04:59 pm
+

Hi Matt

A lot depends on the levels you listen at and the room size but under normal circumstances the 3B would be fine with either the mini t or the soon to be Middle T.  2B-LP will be fine on the onwalls.

Folks I have to say the mini t is just one of the best speakers I know of - they continue to surprise me  :thumb:

james

Thanks James! I heard the Mini T's at Audio One last week and they sounded sweet, and I heard them from across the room well outside of the sweet spot. I can't wait to give them a more serious listen!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: KingstonMoon on 27 Feb 2013, 01:07 am
Email sent to dealer ! Mini T on order !    :D

any specifics and details , lead time on the made for Mini T stands ?

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Feb 2013, 04:20 am
Email sent to dealer ! Mini T on order !    :D

any specifics and details , lead time on the made for Mini T stands ?

Great :thumb:  What finish?

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Feb 2013, 03:35 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76101)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76102)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 27 Feb 2013, 05:41 pm
you should add the kardashians or bieber on the TV screen.... instant sale!

 :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 27 Feb 2013, 05:47 pm

Nice setup,

James what type of stands are those. They look like some type of modular system.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76101)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76102)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Feb 2013, 05:49 pm
Custom built I am told.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 27 Feb 2013, 07:46 pm
Dunno James, too much gear, no comfy place where to sit.... I'll trade it any day with the esthetics of a shisha room... belly dancers are welcome too....
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Feb 2013, 08:00 pm
Dunno James, too much gear, no comfy place where to sit.... I'll trade it any day with the esthetics of a shisha room... belly dancers are welcome too....

 :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 27 Feb 2013, 09:13 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9V6zSd3WCA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9V6zSd3WCA)

 :drums:

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 27 Feb 2013, 09:44 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76101)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76102)
Nice. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Feb 2013, 07:52 pm
mini t's with mini T Center

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76164)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 28 Feb 2013, 11:46 pm
mini t's with mini T Center

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76164)

 :thumb: Now we're talkin'.....  can you do them in bleached maple???


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76169)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Mar 2013, 12:20 am
:thumb: Now we're talkin'.....  can you do them in bleached maple???


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76169)

Sure as a special order :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 1 Mar 2013, 12:54 am
Sure as a special order :thumb:

James

lol... now seriously maybe you should explore having the Minis available in white...  where would "bookshelve" speakers  mostly go? urban high rise condos I suspect, and looking at the latest decor trends... I think it would be a valid color option. And a pretty good use for white driver cones too (a la Axiom).


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76170)



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76171)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Mar 2013, 12:02 pm
Hi Folks,

For those that have been asking for a shot of the model T's with grills.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76177)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: BrysTony on 1 Mar 2013, 02:21 pm
Hi Folks,

For those that have been asking for a shot of the model T's with grills.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76177)

No, we were asking for a shot of the model Ts with girls not grills.   :lol: :lol:

Tony
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Mar 2013, 11:38 am
Added Bryston Model T Sub to mini setup.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76231)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 2 Mar 2013, 01:39 pm
An exercise for James and audio gear designers in general. Here's a more generously sized room, can you try to hide the previous setup here so it doesn't distract/disturb visually.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76232)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Mar 2013, 01:57 pm
An exercise for James and audio gear designers in general. Here's a more generously sized room, can you try to hide the previous setup here so it doesn't distract/disturb visually.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76232)

We build performance speakers not furniture or hidden speakers - in-wall speakers are horrendous sounding :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 2 Mar 2013, 03:01 pm
We build performance speakers not furniture or hidden speakers - in-wall speakers are horrendous sounding :thumb:

james

I agree up to a certain point. Those Mini-Ts would eventually fit in there (note that I made it easier for you through color choice) *if* the stands would be less obtrusive and in a more matching color. The center speaker is a no go but for a stereo setup we don't need it. Amps can visually disappear unless you insist in having an "equipment rack" (IMHO they're just ugly glorified storage shelves). This leaves the subwoofer very proud and visible, maybe this vertical arrangement of 3 drivers isn't the best from an esthetic pov?

C'mon James we can do better if we design for living (or shisha  :icon_twisted:) rooms not for man caves. Help the audiophiles with a high wife acceptance factor and sales will go up through the roof.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Mar 2013, 03:15 pm
I agree up to a certain point. Those Mini-Ts would eventually fit in there (note that I made it easier for you through color choice) *if* the stands would be less obtrusive and in a more matching color. The center speaker is a no go but for a stereo setup we don't need it. Amps can visually disappear unless you insist in having an "equipment rack" (IMHO they're just ugly glorified storage shelves). This leaves the subwoofer very proud and visible, maybe this vertical arrangement of 3 drivers isn't the best from an esthetic pov?

C'mon James we can do better if we design for living (or shisha  :icon_twisted:) rooms not for man caves. Help the audiophiles with a high wife acceptance factor and sales will go up through the roof.

Na I am bored with trying to pretend that great sound is possible with speakers in walls or tucked away in cavities.  Great three dimensional sound has specific speaker placement requirements needed if you want state of the art. 

I realize it is not for everyone but pretending that great sound is possible with no attention to proper setup is a myth in my opinion. It is intended to satisfy the casual listen and not for me. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 2 Mar 2013, 03:28 pm
i have a hunch in that room if the Model T's were in that room that you would get the belly dancers back and the hookas would be smouldering again..........Party for one :wine:.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 2 Mar 2013, 03:31 pm
i have a hunch in that room if the Model T's were in that room that you would get the belly dancers back and the hookas would be smouldering again..........Party for one :wine:.

That was my thinking too  :P

Here Drummer, a heart-warmer for you:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76241)

 :P
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 2 Mar 2013, 03:42 pm
Na I am bored with trying to pretend that great sound is possible with speakers in walls or tucked away in cavities.  Great three dimensional sound has specific speaker placement requirements needed if you want state of the art. 

I realize it is not for everyone but pretending that great sound is possible with no attention to proper setup is a myth in my opinion. It is intended to satisfy the casual listen and not for me. :thumb:

james

A picture is worth a thousand words. How comes that even in a recording studio you can get good esthetics and a cozy place to sit, but we're not allowed to do that at home?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76238)

Please don't mention the console, it has to be there, in a home setup it would be replaced with a fireplace or something.

They definitely didn't set it up to stare directly into something like this:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76239)

although many "audiophiles" are doing exactly that, plopping an "equipment rack" smack dab in front of them.

Talking about "in-wall" and concealed speakers, I've heard that some of them are good enough for a studio, why won't they work at home? Although this wasn't my original point, I already mentioned that I'm satisfied with bookshelves dimensions and esthetics.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76240)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Mar 2013, 04:04 pm
In a studio they always have nearfields and/or midfields as well as the in wall monitors.  I have done many recordings with people like Jack Renner from Telarc as well as sat in on many movie scores while they were being recorded and mastered and they always use quality mid or near fields for serious recordings.


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 2 Mar 2013, 04:47 pm
In a studio they always have nearfields and/or midfields as well as the in wall monitors.  I have done many recordings with people like Jack Renner from Telarc as well as sat in on many movie scores while they were being recorded and mastered and they always use quality mid or near fields for serious recordings.


james

Are we talking control room/recording or mastering?

OTOH, how exactly would you fit a near field system in the shisha room previously pictured? Installing the speakers in the center of the room? Moving the couch there?  :scratch:

Is that what Bryston had in mind with the Mini_T? Near field?

I've browsed the "Systems photo galleries" here on Audicircle, except for some very cramped rooms and man caves, everyone else is set for far field.


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Mar 2013, 04:51 pm
Are we talking control room/recording or mastering?

OTOH, how exactly would you fit a near field system in the shisha room previously pictured? Installing the speakers in the center of the room? Moving the couch there?  :scratch:

Is that what Bryston had in mind with the Mini_T? Near field?

I've browsed the "Systems photo galleries" here on Audicircle, except for some very cramped rooms and man caves, everyone else is set for far field.

Generally in Mastering the mid fields are used and yes they are  'in the room'.  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 2 Mar 2013, 05:24 pm
Generally in Mastering the mid fields are used and yes they are  'in the room'.  :thumb:

James

Sometimes it's also done with the console "in the room":

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76255)

However this is not the way most people can set up their systems at home. (I actually am, but that's a quirck as I was damn lucky to be able to install an armchair right in the center of the room due to it being particularly long)

So coming back to the standard home setups. If you're lucky you either have a square or rectangular room. (unlucky souls will generally have L shaped but it can get even worse).

How do you envision the Bryston floor and bookshelves speakers to be installed in such rooms (I mean the lucky ones)? I.e. which kind of setups do you have in mind when designing the size/audition height/ esthetics of Bryston speakers? and subwoofers? (let's discuss stereo only).





Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Mar 2013, 06:45 pm
First off square rooms are awful you excite every standing wave there is.  So a rectangular room is much better for audio. In fact if every dimension of the room is unequal even better. There are even recommended golden rule dimensions available for those that care.

Napalm I am not saying 'most' people will do what I do in ringing as much performance as I can from my system but to tell people sure go ahead stick those speakers in the corner or install those ceiling speakers and you will get great sound is just an outright falsehood. 

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 2 Mar 2013, 08:57 pm
Napalm I am not saying 'most' people will do what I do in ringing as much performance as I can from my system but to tell people sure go ahead stick those speakers in the corner or install those ceiling speakers and you will get great sound is just an outright falsehood. 

Let's not talk extremes. Let's exclude both "concealed in-wall" and "room-dominating" stuff.

'Most' people will accept a compromise where something is visible (yet not in an obtrusive manner) and produces pleasant sound (yet not necessarily the best possible in a given room).

Let's talk speakers / subs only as the other equipment can be concealed with no significant acoustic performance degradation.

See James, your life was so much easier before starting to make speakers, nobody would had asked these questions  :no_speak:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 2 Mar 2013, 09:07 pm
 :lol:

Poor napalm hasn't figured out the that recording and playback are two entirely different hobbies. Or animals.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Mar 2013, 09:14 pm
See James, your life was so much easier before starting to make speakers, nobody would had asked these questions
[/quote]

Ya but this is my passion and I can not think of a better way to spend my life. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 2 Mar 2013, 09:23 pm

Ya but this is my passion and I can not think of a better way to spend my life. :thumb:

james


Way to go James. But how about us mere mortals?

I went again through the Audiocircle system galleries. Here's a particular pick:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?action=systems;area=browse;system=1791 (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?action=systems;area=browse;system=1791)

where the speakers are actually very visible yet they blend in very nicely.  :thumb: to Gamajo for this.

What can we learn from this setup? And as a speaker manufacturer, do you think you could help your customers with the esthetics of their setups?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 2 Mar 2013, 09:25 pm
:lol:

Poor napalm hasn't figured out the that recording and playback are two entirely different hobbies. Or animals.

Yes the recording industry uses an even number of working tweeters. While certain playback folks are mesmerized by the sound of odd numbers.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 2 Mar 2013, 09:43 pm
Yes the recording industry uses an even number of working tweeters. While certain playback folks are mesmerized by the sound of odd numbers.

Try and make 1 tweeter work. Dare ya. I got it to work in mono and excellent too.  At the very least you will learn a lot about tweeter cohesion and harmonic balance. Until then I will let you continue stumbling around with your photos of studio set ups. Trying to make comparisons of recording practices vs playback preferences.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Mar 2013, 02:35 am
Report From Malaysia from our Distributor:

From: James Tan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:58 AM
To: 'James Tanner'
Subject: RE: Model T

Hi James

Only tried the Model T two days ago, just fresh from the box, already like, like, like.

Even better this morning.

Amazing sound!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 3 Mar 2013, 02:46 am
Try and make 1 tweeter work. Dare ya. I got it to work in mono and excellent too.  At the very least you will learn a lot about tweeter cohesion and harmonic balance. Until then I will let you continue stumbling around with your photos of studio set ups. Trying to make comparisons of recording practices vs playback preferences.

Sure Werd whatever you say. Next time don't forget to mention the CABLES cohesion and harmonic balance too.  :lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 3 Mar 2013, 02:55 am
Sure Werd whatever you say. Next time don't forget to mention the CABLES cohesion and harmonic balance too.  :lol:

Hey Napalm I like your avatar. It's perfect, demonstrates how you destroy your own hobby. Under that pile of flames lies your poor stereo I am sure. :lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Napalm on 3 Mar 2013, 04:40 am
Hey Napalm I like your avatar. It's perfect, demonstrates how you destroy your own hobby. Under that pile of flames lies your poor stereo I am sure. :lol:

Looks to me more like a pair of Acoustic Zen Adagios blowing their tweeters.........

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Mar 2013, 12:31 pm
James, I am looking at the PDF for the Signature speakers and its external crossover. There are 3 inputs, and I assume 3 outputs. Does this mean each speaker requires 3 amplifiers and 6 speaker cables? So for a stereo we need 6 amps and 12 speaker cables?

Also, what is the benefit of the external crossover?

Thanks.

Albert



Hi Albert

The outboard crossover uses air core inductors instead of ferrite and the capacitors are custom made Bryston versions rather than generic caps.

The outboard passive crossover has 3 inputs but we link those together for you using wires so you only need ONE set of speaker inputs on the input side (you can remove the wire links and use three sets of cables if you wish on the input side as well). The Output side needs 3 cables (we sell a kit for that) because the speaker has 3 sets of inputs. So the Signature series only needs ONE stereo amp.

If you want to go to the Active version of the speaker then the External Passive crossover gets replaced with a 3-way stereo Electronic crossover and then you need 6 channels of amplification - 2 for tweeters - two for mids and two for woofers.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 3 Mar 2013, 01:43 pm
Looks to me more like a pair of Acoustic Zen Adagios blowing their tweeters.........

 :lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Mar 2013, 07:08 pm
Hi Folks,

Very preliminary but lit sheet on the new Bryston Middle T speaker.

james


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76382)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Mar 2013, 06:25 pm
ONWALLS

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76437)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Mar 2013, 11:54 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76859)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dumanski on 12 Mar 2013, 06:20 am
Sharp looking system. any dealers on radar for BC.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Mar 2013, 10:18 am
Sharp looking system. any dealers on radar for BC.

Hi

I am told Commercial Electronics in Vancouver  is looking at it.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: joey116 on 12 Mar 2013, 11:46 am
James, I noticed the passive Model T's have 2 sets of inputs, I would have thought a 3 way speaker would have 3 sets, or, just one, what is the reason this?

I plan on using your speaker wire, my 6B is much closer to one speaker than the other, 4ft vs. 8ft is there a performance issue if the wires are different lengths?

Thanks
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Mar 2013, 11:51 am
James, I noticed the passive Model T's have 2 sets of inputs, I would have thought a 3 way speaker would have 3 sets, or, just one, what is the reason this?

I plan on using your speaker wire, my 6B is much closer to one speaker than the other, 4ft vs. 8ft is there a performance issue if the wires are different lengths?

Thanks

Hi

Yes only the Signature series and the Active version have the 3 sets of inputs.  The internal passive crossover version has 1 set for the bass and 1 set for the mid/tweets.

I would keep the lengths the same.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 13 Mar 2013, 05:46 pm
found this interesting read:
Will active speakers finally get the kind of attention from audiophiles they deserve?
http://www.ultraaudio.com/index.php/features-menu/general-interest-interviews-menu/343-active-loudspeaker-systems-on-the-rise-peter-roth-talks-with-andy-payor-laurence-dickie-and-richard-vandersteen

Cheers!
Marius
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 13 Mar 2013, 07:07 pm
found this interesting read:
Will active speakers finally get the kind of attention from audiophiles they deserve?
http://www.ultraaudio.com/index.php/features-menu/general-interest-interviews-menu/343-active-loudspeaker-systems-on-the-rise-peter-roth-talks-with-andy-payor-laurence-dickie-and-richard-vandersteen

Cheers!
Marius

Not to undermine actives but i think what drives actives is the strategy to overcome the inadequacy of the AC- in supply. Its seems like a repair response to what is a lack of dynamic AC power from the wall. By feeding an amp a xover signal it allows the soundstage to sound more relaxed. You do get better resolution but that can be problematic unless you have good AC in anyways. Having a decent AC supply is the first imo before moving into a fully active system. I have never considered going active as a solution in going louder but adding a more relaxed dynamic sensation.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Mar 2013, 07:45 pm
Hi

The advantage Active has is the amplifier is connected directly to the driver and the control is excellent. There are no capacitors or coils to concern yourself with.  Also you can fine tune the overall frequency response electrically in the active crossover in a very percise way relative to passive components or crossovers.

If you realize that music is transient (stopping and starting) in nature then an amplifier directly connected to a driver is much better at controlling the stopping and starting of said driver.

So it is not about volume levels it is about resolution. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Mar 2013, 08:00 pm
Hi Folks,

A couple of shots of the new Bryston Middle T speakers.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77017)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77018)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mkaiser on 14 Mar 2013, 09:33 pm
Hi James,
Any ideas as to the price roughly? Is the second picture Walnut w/ real vaneer

Mark
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Mar 2013, 09:51 pm
Hi James,
Any ideas as to the price roughly? Is the second picture Walnut w/ real vaneer

Mark

Hi mark,

Its a custom walnut wood vaneer preordered.

$4600 the pair list in vinyl.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: ec on 15 Mar 2013, 03:23 am
Quote
Still working on final prices on the Centers but looks like about $3000 for the Model T Center and $2200 for the mini t Center.  Hope the Middle T will be about $4000 the pair.

The Sub is $4195 and has a 600 watt internal amplifier.

james

Quote from Feb 7?  Darn the Middle T's went up $600 :)

James,

Do you have approximate pricing and dimensions for the on walls?  Don't recall seeing this. I won't hold you to it :green:  May I suggest modifying the first post or create a new locked thread so for all the speakers, have the following listed:
- official MSRPs
- dimensions and weight
- Frequency response
- max spl
- power handling

This will give a quick snapshot of the speakers.  I know this would help me greatly since I am looking at the Model T (passive), Middle T and Mini T's for the three fronts and the on walls for the sides.   These factors will determine which speakers will best fit physically (and budget) in my setup (in construction) then I can audition appropriately.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Mar 2013, 09:12 am
Quote from Feb 7?  Darn the Middle T's went up $600 :)

James,

Do you have approximate pricing and dimensions for the on walls?  Don't recall seeing this. I won't hold you to it :green:  May I suggest modifying the first post or create a new locked thread so for all the speakers, have the following listed:
- official MSRPs
- dimensions and weight
- Frequency response
- max spl
- power handling

This will give a quick snapshot of the speakers.  I know this would help me greatly since I am looking at the Model T (passive), Middle T and Mini T's for the three fronts and the on walls for the sides.   These factors will determine which speakers will best fit physically (and budget) in my setup (in construction) then I can audition appropriately.

http://www.hpsoundings.com/2013/03/2599/

http://www.twice.com/articletype/news/audio-supplier-bryston-branches-out-speakers/105383

I am finishing up a Brochure will all the specs which should be ready in a week or so.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Mar 2013, 10:17 am
Quote from Feb 7?  Darn the Middle T's went up $600 :)

James,

Do you have approximate pricing and dimensions for the on walls?  Don't recall seeing this. I won't hold you to it :green:  May I suggest modifying the first post or create a new locked thread so for all the speakers, have the following listed:
- official MSRPs
- dimensions and weight
- Frequency response
- max spl
- power handling

This will give a quick snapshot of the speakers.  I know this would help me greatly since I am looking at the Model T (passive), Middle T and Mini T's for the three fronts and the on walls for the sides.   These factors will determine which speakers will best fit physically (and budget) in my setup (in construction) then I can audition appropriately.

Bryston Speaker Specifications

Bryston Model T
Model T Specifications
Freq. Response 25Hz to 22kHz (+/-3dB)
Impedance 4 Ohms (nominal)
Sensitivity 91 dB SPL @ 1 meter with 1 watt (anechoic)
Maximum SPL 118 dB SPL @ 1 meter
Rec. Power 10 watts to 500 watts (anechoic) RMS
Tweeter 1.0” (dual)
Midrange 5.25” (dual)
Woofer 8.0” (triple)
Crossover 160Hz & 2.3kHz
Dimensions 1334mm H x 267mm W x 419mm D
52.5” H x 10.5” W x 16.5” D
Weight 49 kgs. (each) : 108 lbs. (each)

Bryston  Middle T
Frequency Response – 33 Hz – 22 kHz (+/- 3 dB)
Impedance – 4 ohms
Sensitivity – 88 dB 1 watt 1 meter (anechoic)
Max SPL – 112 dB @ 1 meter (anechoic)
Rec. Power – 10 – 250 watts RMS
Tweeter – 1”
Mid – 5.25”
Woofer – 8” (x2)
Crossover – 160 Hz & 2.3 kHz
Dimensions mm - H-1000 x W-267 x D-410
Dimensions inches - H-39.5 x W-10.5 x D-16.5
Weight kg – 37 (each) lbs – 81(each)

Bryston  Mini T
Freq. Response 40Hz to 22kHz (+/-3dB)
Impedance 4 Ohms (nominal)
Sensitivity 86 dB SPL @ 1 meter
with 1 watt (anechoic)
Maximum SPL 112 dB SPL @ 1 meter
Rec. Power 10 watts to 250 watts (anechoic) RMS
Tweeter 1.0”
Midrange 5.25”
Mid-Woofer 8”
Crossover 160 Hz & 2.3kHz
Dimensions H-571mm x W-267mm x D-250mm,
H-22.5” x W-10.5” x D-10”
Weight 19 kgs. (each) : 42 lbs. (each)

Bryston  Model T Center
Freq. Response 35Hz to 22kHz (+/-3dB)
Impedance 4 Ohms (nominal)
Sensitivity 91 dB SPL @ 1 meter with 1 watt (anechoic)
Maximum SPL 118 dB SPL @ 1 meter
Rec. Power 10 watts to 500 watts RMS
Tweeter 1.0” (dual)
Midrange 5.25” (dual)
Woofer 8.0” (dual)
Crossover 160Hz & 2.3kHz
Dimensions 235mm H x 1003mm W x 432mm D
9.2” H x 39.5” W x 17.0” D
25.8 kgs. (each) : 56.8 lbs. (each)

Bryston MINI T Center
Freq. Response 40 Hz – 22 kHz (+/- 3 dB)
Impedance 4 ohms
Sensitivity 88 dB 1 watt 1 meter (anechoic)
Maximum SPL 112 dB @ 1 meter (anechoic)
Rec. Power 10 – 250 watts RMS
Tweeter 1”
Midrange 5.25”
Woofer 8” (x2)
Crossover 160 Hz & 2.3 kHz
Dimensions H-267mm x W-735mm x D-250mm
H-10.5” x W-29” x D-10”
Weight 25 kgs (each). : 55 lbs (each).

Bryston  Model T SUB Subwoofer
Freq. Response 18Hz to 150Hz (+/-3dB)
Maximum SPL 108 dB SPL @ 1 meter
Power 10 watts to 500 watts RMS
Woofer 8.0” (triple)
Crossover 40 - 150Hz
Dimensions mm - H-985 x W-267 x D-424
Dimensions inches - H-38.75 x W-10.5 x D-16.75
Weight kg – 48 (each) lbs – 105 (each)

On-wall / In-wall
Frequency Response – 70 Hz – 22 kHz (+/- 3 dB)
Impedance – 8 ohms
Sensitivity – 87 dB 1 watt 1 meter (anechoic)
Max SPL – 100 dB @ 1 meter (anechoic)
Rec. Power – 10 – 175 watts RMS
Tweeter – 1”
Mid – 3”
Woofer – 6.5”
Crossover – 500 Hz & 2.3 kHz
Dimensions mm - H-345 x W-244 x D-91
Dimensions inches - H-13.5 x W-9.5 x D-3.5
Weight kg – 5 (each): lbs – 11 (each)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Mar 2013, 10:27 am
A shot of the Bryston Subs - small sub is under development now.

james

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77057)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77058)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Mar 2013, 06:14 pm
Distributor Feedback on Model T Signatures:
James is also the distributor for TAD and PMC loudspeakers so coming from him is high praise indeed :thumb:

From: James Tan
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:14 AM
To: 'James Tanner'
Subject: RE: Model T Signature

"James

The Signature is sounding great even with just the B135 driving them, huge soundstage, seamless across the frequency range, great bass extension, power and weight."

James Tan
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bummrush on 15 Mar 2013, 06:15 pm
 that small one is beautiful ,how can a square box be wonderful to look at?But it is.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: ec on 15 Mar 2013, 06:27 pm
James,

Thanks for posting the url links (has the MSRPs) and specs so they can be easily compared.  The on walls have a different driver complement (thought it would be the same as the Mini-T).  I guess trade offs had to be made to make the on wall speaker that size.  The 3.5" depth is amazingly thin.    You stated in a previous post, that the Model T, Mid T and Mini T can be purchased as a single (vs pair) so that I could run three identical speakers in the front.  Is it safe to assume the single speaker price is half of the price per pair?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Mar 2013, 06:51 pm
James,

Thanks for posting the url links (has the MSRPs) and specs so they can be easily compared.  The on walls have a different driver complement (thought it would be the same as the Mini-T).  I guess trade offs had to be made to make the on wall speaker that size.  The 3.5" depth is amazingly thin.    You stated in a previous post, that the Model T, Mid T and Mini T can be purchased as a single (vs pair) so that I could run three identical speakers in the front.  Is it safe to assume the single speaker price is half of the price per pair?

Correct the single would be 1/2.

The in walls and on walls are a challenge but I think a good 3-way will do really well.  I wanted to get the same dispersion characteristics as the other models.  Also one of the advantages of wall placement is you get a 9dB lift in low frequency response as a result of the wall acting as a huge baffle.

The Onwalls are ported at the bottom.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Mar 2013, 10:40 am
Bigalsworth 
Junior Member


Mr. Tanner,

I was able to listen to a set of passive Model T's @ Pulsworks in Saskatoon SK and they sounded ridiculously awesome!  I sat and listened to them with David Puls, the owner of the store, for about 45 minutes and he had a ton of great things to say about Bryston.

Right before I listened to the Model T's I was listening to a set of Martin Logan Ethos and in my opinion they didn't hold a candle to the Model T's. David put on "Flight of the Cosmic Hippo" by Bella Fleck and Fleckstones and my jaw dropped at the bass coming out of those speakers.

I am more of a home theater fan and am building my basement at the moment, what would recommend as surrounds to match the Model T's?

Scott
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Mar 2013, 01:36 pm
Bigalsworth 
Junior Member


Mr. Tanner,

I was able to listen to a set of passive Model T's @ Pulsworks in Saskatoon SK and they sounded ridiculously awesome!  I sat and listened to them with David Puls, the owner of the store, for about 45 minutes and he had a ton of great things to say about Bryston.

Right before I listened to the Model T's I was listening to a set of Martin Logan Ethos and in my opinion they didn't hold a candle to the Model T's. David put on "Flight of the Cosmic Hippo" by Bella Fleck and Fleckstones and my jaw dropped at the bass coming out of those speakers.

I am more of a home theater fan and am building my basement at the moment, what would recommend as surrounds to match the Model T's?

Scott

Hi Scott

Well thank you for your kind comments. All the Model T products are designed to compliment each other so the rear channels can be any of the different versions of speakers depending on layout and placement restrictions.

I would recommend the mini's or the Middle Model T or Onwalls over the Inwalls for rears unless Inwalls are your only option.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 16 Mar 2013, 02:35 pm
Bigalsworth 
Junior Member


Mr. Tanner,

I was able to listen to a set of passive Model T's @ Pulsworks in Saskatoon SK and they sounded ridiculously awesome!  I sat and listened to them with David Puls, the owner of the store, for about 45 minutes and he had a ton of great things to say about Bryston.

Right before I listened to the Model T's I was listening to a set of Martin Logan Ethos and in my opinion they didn't hold a candle to the Model T's. David put on "Flight of the Cosmic Hippo" by Bella Fleck and Fleckstones and my jaw dropped at the bass coming out of those speakers.

I am more of a home theater fan and am building my basement at the moment, what would recommend as surrounds to match the Model T's?

Scott

I should stop by at Pulsworks for a listen. That's the thing about Dave that I like doing business there is he makes you feel welcome.

I stopped by at a new audio store on the east side. Mostly entry level gear, but nice stuff. The salesman played one song for me on a cd then shut it off. I had like an hour to kill while I was working. Maybe it was the way I look, I dress like a bum. I will never walk into that store again as that little gesture of shutting off the cd made me feel unwanted. :cry:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 18 Mar 2013, 06:00 pm
I should stop by at Pulsworks for a listen. That's the thing about Dave that I like doing business there is he makes you feel welcome.

I stopped by at a new audio store on the east side. Mostly entry level gear, but nice stuff. The salesman played one song for me on a cd then shut it off. I had like an hour to kill while I was working. Maybe it was the way I look, I dress like a bum. I will never walk into that store again as that little gesture of shutting off the cd made me feel unwanted. :cry:

But isn't it a nice feeling when they under estimate you? A few years back,  i walked into a high end jewellery shop at lunch  wearing shorts, teva's and Jimmy buffett t shirt. The staff were polite but you could tell they were not expecting much. I ended up walking out with a Rolex (paid for in cash) for my wife's 50th birthday. It was a young salesman who initially served me, but it was the store owner who shook my hand on the way out.  :lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Mar 2013, 07:16 pm
Hi Folks,

Factory shot of the Bryston Model T speaker in a special Zebra Wood finish.

James

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77300)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77301)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: RLL1 on 18 Mar 2013, 07:55 pm
Hi Folks,

Factory shot of the Bryston Model T speaker in a special Zebra Wood finish.

James

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77300)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77301)

Those look very nice James. Will you soon be publishing a list of available wood finish options.

Rick
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Mar 2013, 08:02 pm
Hi Rick,

The standard stocking colours are Boston Cherry, Natural Cherry and Black Ask and now Walnut.  Rosewood has been popular but I thought something a bit more stricking might be fun to show. 

We can really do most finishes as a Special Order so no official list as such.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: RLL1 on 18 Mar 2013, 08:30 pm
Hi Rick,

The standard stocking colours are Boston Cherry, Natural Cherry and Black Ask and now Walnut.  Rosewood has been popular but I thought something a bit more stricking might be fun to show. 

We can really do most finishes as a Special Order so no official list as such.

james

Thanks James.

Rick
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: joey116 on 18 Mar 2013, 08:36 pm
Do you have a pic. of the Model T in the standard walnut finish?
Thanks
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spotlightaudio on 18 Mar 2013, 09:02 pm
Hi  James,  is gloss black an option ?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Mar 2013, 10:21 pm
Do you have a pic. of the Model T in the standard walnut finish?
Thanks

Hi Joey

No sorry I do not - we have only built them to order so far.  i am getting a couple of pair made up.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Mar 2013, 10:22 pm
Hi  James,  is gloss black an option ?

It is but with 7 coats of paint and the labour involved the price almost doubles so I think we will leave that one alone for now.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: joey116 on 18 Mar 2013, 10:29 pm
Hi Rick,

The standard stocking colours are Boston Cherry, Natural Cherry and Black Ask and now Walnut.  Rosewood has been popular but I thought something a bit more stricking might be fun to show. 

We can really do most finishes as a Special Order so no official list as such.

james

Thanks James, the walnut is a standard vinyl finish, is this correct?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Mar 2013, 10:32 pm
Thanks James, the walnut is a standard vinyl finish, is this correct?

No the only walnut we have done is Wood

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: joey116 on 18 Mar 2013, 10:35 pm
Hi Rick,

The standard stocking colours are Boston Cherry, Natural Cherry and Black Ask and now Walnut.  Rosewood has been popular but I thought something a bit more stricking might be fun to show. 

We can really do most finishes as a Special Order so no official list as such.

james

Thanks for clarifying that, I thought from the first sentence that walnut had been added to the other 3 vinyl finishes.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Mar 2013, 11:03 pm
Thanks for clarifying that, I thought from the first sentence that walnut had been added to the other 3 vinyl finishes.

Hi Joey

No I think we will just offer the original 3 in the vinyl as some finishes just suit the real wood better.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Mar 2013, 06:08 pm
Hi Folks,

Final PDF brochure for the Bryston Home Theater Speakers

ftp://ftp.bryston.com/pub/brochures/HT_SPEAKER.pdf

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: klao on 24 Mar 2013, 04:03 pm
Have the MSRP's of the Model T Sub & Mini T Sub been released, James?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Mar 2013, 05:48 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Customer Feedback - Bryston Model T Speakers


March 26th, 2013

From: High End Wholesale Vehicles
To: contact@bryston.com
Subject: Bryston Model T Loudspeakers

 
Hello,

I heard a pair of your Model T’s today and I couldn’t believe my ears.

I’m using a pair of $28,000 SoundLabs right now and I’m considering purchasing the Model T’s!

How well do you think my Atma-Sphere MA1 tube amplifiers will power these?
 
Please let me know!
 
Thanks!!
Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Mar 2013, 05:09 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77816)

Bryston Model T Signature Speakers - Demo

Tue, Mar 26 2013

Spent about 2 hours, mesmerized by these wonderful Bryston speakers.

All the clarity, highs and mids that I enjoyed a couple of weeks back were still there. But this time around, the low end was really refined but still gutsy enough to give that thumping to your heart. It was really tonally balanced regardless of what music genre you play. And we really played today. Even the dealers were excited them-selfs but I was even more excited. Today, these speakers were driven by the pair of BP17 pre amp and the 4BSST2 power amp. Wired by, of course, WyWires. Source was through BDP2 and BDA2.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77817)

We threw in Dire Straits, CCR, Pink Panther theme, Metallica, Stan Getz and Gilberto, The Eagles etc....MP3, WAV, FLAC, hi res.....and the speakers just smile at us, performing its best (though can’t wait to listen to them in the AV show this year in a bigger room). We played it loud today and the bass was so refined and detail and did not muffle at all. Each bass-line and kick pedal was clear, solid with no sign of distortion. And it did not overshadow the clarity and crispiness of the mids and highs. It was goooddd !!!!

The one thing that really stood out was on the wind instrument. I think it was a clarinet playing. I can even hear the extent of the musicians breath to play those long notes.

You guys just need to experience it yourself.

El Hefe
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Mar 2013, 02:06 pm
Hi Folks,

I am answering some questions on the Bryston Model T speaker for a magazine that is doing a review on them and thought it might help to post a  Q and A section for the Bryston Speakers.


BRYSTON MODEL T SPEAKER Q & A


Cabinet construction: materials, design, what’s happening inside?

The cabinet has a 1.5 inch thick front baffle, a vertical brace from top to bottom in the centre of the cabinet, and 12 interlocking braces front and back of the vertical brace.  All the braces are uniquely spaced so as to have no dominant resonance mode - See attached

Bass Driver construction:
 
The woofers use a ceramic-coated composite aluminum cone, large diameter voice coil on a high temperature fibreglass former, die cast aluminum frames, and FEA  optimized motor system.

Midrange construction: 

The midranges use a ceramic-coated composite aluminum cone, die cast aluminum frames, and FEA optimized motor system.

Why the choice to use two, and what were the challenges faced in doing so/what are the benefits? 

The dominant advantage to multiple drivers is the increased power handling and sheer SPL achievable before compression occurs; this is a big deal as even at modest levels the dynamic peaks can be very demanding.  There is also an advantage that can be achieved in the soundstage presentation if the design is done carefully.  The disadvantage would be it is much more complex to design as the interaction between all the drivers means many more on and off axis listening window and power response curves need to be looked at and worked with.
 
Tweeter construction:
 
The tweeters use a 1 inch pure titanium dome, Ferro-fluid damping/cooling, temperature stable ferrite magnets, and FEA optimized motor system.

Why the choice to use two, and what were the challenges faced in doing so/what are the benefits?

Same as above on tweeter.

Information on your relationship with Axiom, why you guys had them do the driver design, and how this speaker came to be?

I have known Ian the owner of Axiom casually for years all the way back to the days of Floyd Toole and the National Research council in Ottawa where most of the Canadian speaker companies got their start and developed their philosophies of speaker design. I was aware that speaker engineer Andrew Welker had moved to Axiom after Canadian speaker company API was purchased and called them both to ask if they would be interested in building me a reference loudspeaker for my personal use to evaluate our Bryston electronics. I knew Axiom was one of the few companies with an anechoic chamber on site and had sophisticated equipment capable of facilitating complex speaker measurement techniques.

My initial request was for a fully Active system with no performance compromises. We spent almost 2 years with a variety of versions and about 6 months ago I was happy with the results and installed the finished Active system in my sound room at home.  Long story short - distributors, dealers and friends heard them and convinced me to offer them commercially.  Given the complexity of Active systems we set about to develop Passive versions of the Model T which came very close to the performance level of the Active version. 

At that point the project just took on a life of its own as our dealers and distributors said they wanted Centers and Surrounds and Subs to match – so here we are with a complete line of Bryston loudspeakers available to our customers and a way to acquire ‘Predictable Performance” for our customers all the way from the source to the speaker.

Cross over: points and components, are these built in house?  

The crossover points for the Model T are 160 Hz and 2.3 kHz.  All of the components used have been carefully selected for ultra-low distortion and the high power handling requirements of the Model T.  All the crossovers are built in-house. The Model T Signature provides an outboard ‘Passive’ crossover to allow for tri-wiring applications as well as an easy transition to a fully Active system using an external active crossover in the future.

Are all of the drivers made by Axiom? 

Yes all aspects of the drivers are designed and manufactured in our own factories.

Is there anything unique about the porting technology employed, I noticed the shape is something I have not come across before.
 
The air in a port is traveling faster in the center relative to the sides due to friction. All ports have some level of noise. The concave/convex port walls add surface area to the port wall thereby minimizing friction thereby reducing port noise.  The ports also have curved edges at both the entrance and exit from the port further reducing port noise.
 
Are there any specific area’s that you wish me to highlight in the review such as unique technologies employed?

The expansive listening window/power response and the lack of dynamic compression so you can listen at real world levels.

What size room do you recommend for these speakers?

Because of the excellent dispersion I have used them in rooms as small as 13x17x8 and as large as 25x36x10 with good results.

Recommended amplification?

Given the high efficiency (91dB anechoic) the model T can be driven with moderate power and various types of amplifiers (transistor, Class D, Tubes etc.) So power amplifiers between 100 to 900 watts can be employed depending on room size and listening levels required.  The Model T has a benign impedance curve as well so nothing exotic is required.

US pricing
$6,495 a pair with vinyl finish - $7,495 a pair with Wood finish.

Warranty

10 Years

What is the cost of the optional real wood veneer, and at this price range, why did Bryston decide to offer a base veneer as a finish rather than a real wood veneer?

First and foremost we wanted to build an accurate loudspeaker, not a piece of furniture (not that there’s anything wrong with that) and I wanted to supply our customers with as accurate a product that the current state of the art technology allows at the most competitive price possible.  If you want real wood veneers or exotic finishes we can do it at additional costs but it does not provide better performance than the base models. Some vinyl’s are really quite cosmetically exceptional and it is tough to tell the difference sometimes between real woods and vinyl’s these days.  Also vinyl will typically wear better over time and deal better with spills etc. – Customers choice!!!

Do the outriggers come standard with the speakers or are they optional?

Outriggers are optional – the speakers come with spikes and furniture feet standard.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Mar 2013, 03:27 pm
From: Wayne
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:47 AM
To: 'James Tanner'
Subject: RE: Bryston Model T Speakers - Q&A

Thank you James, very informative!

FYI:

A very close family friend from Italy called me two nights ago to ask if I could get him a pair of Model T’s.  I replied that they are brand new, I would have to check with BRYSTON, but out of curiosity…”Why are you looking at these and what did you hear!?”

Interesting response James;  he said and he quoted websites that I hadn’t heard or read …that the Model ‘T’ is quite the buzz on the forums and chat rooms, and his main concern was, do I need 7B, or can I use 4B SST !  As you know I am in the audio business and told him I could get him whatever he wanted without issue, even if he insisted on XXXX…but maybe look at XXXX monitor since it is compact, with power, or to SAVE MONEY, I have a few pairs of brand new XXXX and a brand new pair of XXXX which I would give him for my sample cost.

NOPE, I want the ‘T’, do I send you a check, or do you want cash?

So James, it seems, and this is not an audiophile guy, but a 30 year old who said he mainly listens to music and rarely watches movies…the message is getting out there.

Coincidentally, his cousin in Italy, sent me an e-mail on Wednesday saying that ‘Bryston is doing it right’…and he is a CRAZY audiophile, changing gear like underwear.

PS: He wants to order them in veneer!

Good job,  James!

Wayne
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 2 Apr 2013, 03:05 pm
James,

I love the Zebrawood finish.  I know the standard veneers are $1K extra.  What would be the price for this option?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Apr 2013, 03:14 pm
James,

I love the Zebrawood finish.  I know the standard veneers are $1K extra.  What would be the price for this option?

I have not got a firm price yet but I assume the same as Rosewood - $1000 a pair more than the standard wood finish.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: ec on 3 Apr 2013, 03:31 am
James, 

FYI I noticed the specs you posted on reply 1093 are different than the pdf listed here: ftp://ftp.bryston.com/pub/brochures/HT_SPEAKER.pdf

I haven't looked at all the specs but just the ones from the model, middle and mini T's.  More specifically the freq response(s).  The specs on reply 1093 look like the correct ones especially for low end extension on the mini and middle T's.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Apr 2013, 10:28 am
James, 

FYI I noticed the specs you posted on reply 1093 are different than the pdf listed here: ftp://ftp.bryston.com/pub/brochures/HT_SPEAKER.pdf

I haven't looked at all the specs but just the ones from the model, middle and mini T's.  More specifically the freq response(s).  The specs on reply 1093 look like the correct ones especially for low end extension on the mini and middle T's.

Hi ec

The latest specs are correct - the brochure was just filler until the final version.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bobNL on 3 Apr 2013, 08:44 pm
Hi James,

Any chance of the model T crossing the atlantic any time soon?

Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Apr 2013, 08:53 pm
Hi James,

Any chance of the model T crossing the atlantic any time soon?

Cheers,
Bob

Hi Bob,

Our distributors in China, Malaysia and Singapore now have speakers on display and for sale but it is up to each distributor in each country as to whether they want to carry the speakers.  Going forward we may have to make some changes in our distribution network as some distributors already have speakers or have no interest in doing the Bryston speakers.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bobNL on 3 Apr 2013, 09:21 pm
Did not realise that this was the issue. mafico does have the vastly expensive (and rather hideous) Avantgarde speakers in their lineup. Will let them know there would be real interest in the speaker. In fact I am waiting for this as I want to hear the model T's before committing to a similarly priced PMC. My current dream system would be the BHA 14bsst2 model T combination.

Thanks for the info,
Bob
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 4 Apr 2013, 06:54 am
Have asked already, couple of times actually.....  so a big +1 for this Bob.
same goes for the BDA/BDP2. still no sight of those?

Did not realise that this was the issue. mafico does have the vastly expensive (and rather hideous) Avantgarde speakers in their lineup. Will let them know there would be real interest in the speaker. In fact I am waiting for this as I want to hear the model T's before committing to a similarly priced PMC. My current dream system would be the BHA 14bsst2 model T combination.

Thanks for the info,
Bob
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bobNL on 5 Apr 2013, 02:41 pm
Now that PMC is introducing the Fact 12, things are getting really interesting!  :singing:

Bob
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Apr 2013, 03:41 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Speakers - Review


April, 2013

By Lam Seng Fatt
 
"Can a company famed for making reliable and good amps design speakers? That will be the question on everyone’s mind when they approach the Bryston Model T speakers.
 
To set the record straight, Bryston is not the first amplifier manufacturer to venture into making speakers. Krell tried that many years ago and some say that was what maimed the company before a venture capital firm bought it up and forced out the founder.
 
But Bryston is in another league simply because all the products it launched in the past few years had been winners – from the flagship 28B SST mono-blocks to the headphone amp/preamp.
 
The Model T speakers have continued Bryston’s winning streak. It seems some people ordered them before they were even officially launched.
 
Before I went to the AV Designs showroom to listen to them, I was already warned that they look ugly, but sound surprisingly good. One well known hi-fi guru commented that they sounded “sweet”.
 
At the showroom, James played several tracks on a demo system comprising the Bryston BDP-2 digital music player, Bryston BDA-2 DAC, BP-17 preamp and 4B SST2 power amp with Wywires cabling and the signature edition of the Bryston Model T speakers.
 
The first few tracks were old pop recordings and I thought they sounded decent with rounded-off leading edges. Then he played songs that were better recorded and the leading edges sounded snappy and swift. Cymbals and violins sounded clean, perhaps a tad too clean. But there was no metallic distortion given that the twin tweeters use metal domes. And the bass packed quite a wallop and is rated to go down to 25Hz

When he played classical music, I thought the speakers sounded very dynamic with the contrast between soloists and the whole orchestra highlighted impressively.
 
Then he saved Dire Straits’ Money For Nothing for the last and turned the volume up high. The speakers could play real loud – they were at dance-club loudness level and yet there was no distortion. Everything still sounded clean – very loud, but clean.
 
The external crossover box:

The signature version of the Model T has an external passive crossover in the form of a box. This costs RM 3,900 more, but it offers the upgrade path of converting the speakers into active ones with the purchase of an active crossover and some amplifiers – Bryston, naturally. Actually, they can be paired with any amp, but since the speakers are made by Bryston…

Were they ugly? Actually, they didn’t look that bad. They were big, a bit bulky but I think the larger ATCs look uglier.
 
At RM 24,000 a pair (for the non-signature version with internal crossovers), they give a fantastic bang for the buck. I have heard better speakers, but they cost much more than that.

If you’re looking around for speakers in the RM20k to RM30k range, you have to listen to the Bryston Model T."

Lam Seng Fatt
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Apr 2013, 06:11 pm
I received my Model T’s late last Thursday (April 4) and ran them continuously for 3 plus days.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=78477)

I was pleasantly surprised in the “Bryston” sleeve covering the entire speaker.  Upon opening the speakers I mounted the outriggers and placed and fine-tuned their position.  I then attached the spikes and leveled them.  I replaced some American made 15K speakers and had my doubts about the T’s ability to play as well as my replaced speakers.  My initial impression was not great, but the T’s continued to improve each day. 

I put them to the test this morning with the studio version of Dire Straits doing “Telegraph Road”.  I have used this cut as a demo for almost 15 years now and hadn’t realized that there was bass at the opening of the song.  I pushed my 14B to the max streaming through my BDP-1 and they played with authority and wonderful dynamics. 

They have the detail without any trace of harshness.  It was extremely satisfying to finally push them to their limits.  Great image, great off axis response, and a very controlled and physical bottom end.

Yes, I’m very happy with my new Bryston Model T’s.

Rich Jackson

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spotlightaudio on 8 Apr 2013, 08:38 pm
Looking good Rich!  Is the grill 1 or 4 pieces ? 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Apr 2013, 08:48 pm
Looking good Rich!  Is the grill 1 or 4 pieces ?

Hi

4 pieces - the woofer grill fits all models.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spotlightaudio on 8 Apr 2013, 09:12 pm
Thanks, James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Apr 2013, 01:23 am
Model T, Middle T, mini t, Model T Sub, Model T Center:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=78496)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Rod_S on 14 Apr 2013, 03:49 am
Hi James, just curious, what are the prices and specs for all of these? I couldn't find the specs on the Bryston homepage.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Rod_S on 14 Apr 2013, 03:52 am
Never mind, I just found the info a few pages back.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Apr 2013, 12:11 pm
http://www.av2day.com/2013/04/bryston-model-t-signature-loudspeakers-launch-at-av-designs/

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Apr 2013, 03:58 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Speaker Impressions


April, 2013


"BRYSTON's first ever production loudspeaker, the Model T.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=78988)

My impression of this loudspeaker's presentation is agility. The mid to low is clean, control, defined, proportionately correct and fast. It's like a Kung fu master with feet as light as feather and nimbly controlled.

The clarity of the tones from each instrument is portrayed accurately and believably.

The PRaT is good and one can easily follow the tunes.

The soundstage presented here is as big as the big showroom floor with the width, depth and height to measure. This is an area most audiophiles look and cherish.

After enjoying these qualities and I am amazed, I realized that these loudspeakers only came out from the box recently and already able to perform to these levels.

Kudos to the team behind this great product at an affordable price (in ratio wise)."


Danon Han Hong Den
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: VOLKS on 17 Apr 2013, 01:27 am
What a treat!........i was truly surprised!.....this speaker amazed me for its ability to deliver such a clean/fast sound with articulate bass and a very even midrange. I am still shocked at the price/performance ratio. I think it would be a challenge to find a speaker for the price of 6-7K that would actually surpass the Bryston Model T in all areas. I am so happy i had the chance to hear it today at Absolute Audio in Calgary.

This is a speaker that would sound great with a good 70WPC amp or a 600WPC amp of any HQ brands out there. Actually i would love to know how many buy it with/without Bryston amps..........even though in the photo it shows Ayre gear......I actually heard it hooked up to the 4BSST2 and BP26 and BP2/BDA2 and it sounded outstanding! The build is very solid and certainly made with Canadian Pride! Hmmmmm maybe i need a 3rd system in an excuse to get these speakers



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79049)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Apr 2013, 03:37 pm
Hi Folks,

Completed product lineup for the Bryston Model T Speaker Products:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79067)

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spotlightaudio on 17 Apr 2013, 03:55 pm
LOOKING  GOOD   :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 17 Apr 2013, 05:25 pm
LOOKING  GOOD   :thumb:

+1   :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bobNL on 17 Apr 2013, 09:19 pm
+1

But far away ..........    :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Apr 2013, 06:27 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston mini t speaker - Skeptical


April 2013

Blown Away by Bryston Mini T's

I heard the Bryston Mini T's today. I was skeptical of the reviews I have read of late of their performance. I take most reviews with a grain of salt anyways.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79279)

After listening for two hours plus I was blown away.

They seem to handle every genre of music with ease. The scary thing was the pair I was listening to weren't even broke in.

I associate bookshelf speakers with weak bass but great detail. These actually had bass. If you get a chance go audition them.

You'll be very surprised by these speakers.


Burhoe 
AK Member
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Stedanko on 21 Apr 2013, 07:21 pm
Hope to pick a pair up soon to compare to the 207/2 I bought from James.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: book on 21 Apr 2013, 07:24 pm
The TC1 Center speaker looks awesome!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Apr 2013, 07:35 pm
The TC1 Center speaker looks awesome!

Thanks :thumb: - many do not realize how important it is for the Center to maintain a similar power handling and power (polar dispersion) response as the main left and right front speakers.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Apr 2013, 10:20 am
From: Paul Inman
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 7:24 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Model T

Hi James,

I was unpacking my new Model T speakers and got called into work, so I only had chance to play a couple of CD's, however I am really impressed, I think Mark Knopfler is in my basement : ) this is with my cheapo \ temporary speaker cable.

You must be thrilled with the feedback they are receiving, particularly being your first speaker!

Regards
Paul
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Apr 2013, 06:05 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Montreal Audio Show – Enjoy the Music Comments


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79363)
 
Bryston had sent out a press release and renewed my interest in the speakers they introduced at the TAVES show in Toronto last September. I was really looking forward to spending more time with them in Montreal. As I descended the elevator to the larger rooms on the lower level I caught a glimpse of James Tanner out of the corner of my bad eye. I turned left toward the rooms I had known from previous years. Guess I've become a creature of habit, thought the people at Bryston will probably think of me as just a creature. Upon return home, Tom mentioned that it was his favorite room at the show, so I asked him to write a paragraph for me. He gets to hear most everything I review so I know from our conversations he has a good ear. He wrote:

“Bryston was featuring their new Model T Signature floor-standing speaker, part of a new line of Model T speakers. The standard Model T and the stand-mount Mini T were on silent display. The Model T Signature differs from the standard model by having the crossovers external to the speaker cabinet. The crossovers were in small boxes on the floor behind the speakers, and contain upgraded parts. The Model T Signatures cost $7500 with a vinyl wrapped finish, with wood veneer available for an extra $1000. The speakers were driven by a pair of Bryston 28B SST2 monoblocks, which are rated at 1000W per channel.

This system sounded exceptionally transparent and uncolored. The speakers seem to provide high value for the price.


Bryston was also demonstrating their BHA-1 headphone amplifier, which can drive balanced or unbalanced headphones. I tried this amp with my Denon AH-D5000 headphones, and it seemed to provide exceptionally deep and well-controlled bass.”

Tom Lathrop
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Apr 2013, 12:29 pm
mini t comments

http://www.av2day.com/2013/04/bryston-model-t-mini-speakers-are-in-town-too/
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Apr 2013, 09:12 am
Hi Folks,

Introducing the Bryston Middle T speaker at Audio One's CANADA NIGHT in Toronto  :thumb:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79442)


System consisted of Bryston B135 Integrated Amplifier, Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player, Bryston BDA-2 DAC and Bryston Middle T speaker – it sounded superb!!!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Levi on 25 Apr 2013, 12:22 pm
Great products James! 

In all your speakers, which one do you think will be a match to the PMC-EB1i as far as bass goes?  I am a fan off full-range speakers that is why.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Apr 2013, 12:37 pm
Great products James! 

In all your speakers, which one do you think will be a match to the PMC-EB1i as far as bass goes?  I am a fan off full-range speakers that is why.

Hi Levi,

I would say the Model T or the Middle T depending on how much bass energy your room can support.  The thing about the Model T that most find surprising is how low it goes but with terrific articulation in the bass. It really provides a nice texture to the bass and allows you to pick out different bass instruments easily.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Spirit on 25 Apr 2013, 02:24 pm
Hi Folks,

Introducing the Bryston Middle T speaker at Audio One's CANADA NIGHT in Toronto  :thumb:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79442)


System consisted of Bryston B135 Integrated Amplifier, Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player, Bryston BDA-2 DAC and Bryston Middle T speaker – it sounded superb!!!

I was their last night!  I don't post very often on AC anymore but this morning I am compelled to do so.
Hi James:  This is Sam (you called me Joe a few times but that's OK!) - it was pleasure meeting you again last night.
"sounded superb" is bang on.  I was really floored by these gems.  Absolutely smooth as silk with a bass bottom to die for, the voices were sounding like the artists were in the room, and a smooth and clear top end and midrange.
A very well know brand of speakers that retail for $20,000 were in the next room, and these at one quarter the price were better - hands down!  I didn't get a chance to hear the big brother Model T but I can imagine that they would be incredible.
And while I am writing....
For those of you who have never met James, what a real gentleman!  He took the time to talk "audio" with me for about half an hour and I got a chance to understand the Bryston philosophy.
This is a company that builds products to the best that technology offers and then sets a fair price to make a fair profit.  This is unlike many other companies that sell inferior products at insane prices to cater to the "Audio Jewelry" crowd.  If James and his engineers could build a better sounding product, they would.
The R&D that went into the speakers took 2 years of effort to develop custom drivers and cabinets and the results are sublime.
I came away realizing that I will never be sorry buying a Bryston product!  The products are built with passion and HONESTY and I know that this company will stand behind it for a lifetime.
Congrats James!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Apr 2013, 03:26 pm
I was their last night!  I don't post very often on AC anymore but this morning I am compelled to do so.
Hi James:  This is Sam (you called me Joe a few times but that's OK!) - it was pleasure meeting you again last night.
"sounded superb" is bang on.  I was really floored by these gems.  Absolutely smooth as silk with a bass bottom to die for, the voices were sounding like the artists were in the room, and a smooth and clear top end and midrange.
A very well know brand of speakers that retail for $20,000 were in the next room, and these at one quarter the price were better - hands down!  I didn't get a chance to hear the big brother Model T but I can imagine that they would be incredible.
And while I am writing....
For those of you who have never met James, what a real gentleman!  He took the time to talk "audio" with me for about half an hour and I got a chance to understand the Bryston philosophy.
This is a company that builds products to the best that technology offers and then sets a fair price to make a fair profit.  This is unlike many other companies that sell inferior products at insane prices to cater to the "Audio Jewelry" crowd.  If James and his engineers could build a better sounding product, they would.
The R&D that went into the speakers took 2 years of effort to develop custom drivers and cabinets and the results are sublime.
I came away realizing that I will never be sorry buying a Bryston product!  The products are built with passion and HONESTY and I know that this company will stand behind it for a lifetime.
Congrats James!

Thank you "Joe" (Sam) for the nice comments - much appreciated.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: So There on 25 Apr 2013, 03:44 pm
Your last paragraph is especially apt, Joe (Sam). I admire Bryston's product philosophy and execution, and James is an excellent representative of their dedication to quality and to customers.

Bryston reminds me of the best days of Apple in the sense that, once you buy one of their products, you can't help but desire others. I started with a 6BSST(C) and two 4BSST(C) amps a few years ago and recently purchased an SP3, BDP-2, and BDA-2. The sound is, of course, glorious. And now Bryston has to get into speakers . . . jeez, these guys are dangerous!

Speaking of Toronto, go, Leafs!

Rich
_______________________
Whinier Napa Valley
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Spirit on 25 Apr 2013, 04:32 pm
Your last paragraph is especially apt, Joe (Sam). I admire Bryston's product philosophy and execution, and James is an excellent representative of their dedication to quality and to customers.

Bryston reminds me of the best days of Apple in the sense that, once you buy one of their products, you can't help but desire others. I started with a 6BSST(C) and two 4BSST(C) amps a few years ago and recently purchased an SP3, BDP-2, and BDA-2. The sound is, of course, glorious. And now Bryston has to get into speakers . . . jeez, these guys are dangerous!

Speaking of Toronto, go, Leafs!

Rich
_______________________
Whinier Napa Valley

Yes - go LEAFS! But don't get your hopes up! 
As long as Bryston is owned by the current principals, quality and customer service will be paramount.
On the opposite end, I bought a Home Theater Receiver made by one of the big Japanese companies and manufactured probably in China.
I couldn't figure out how a few of the features worked so I called Tech Support and you will never guess which country they are in.....Jamaica!
Now - there is nothing wrong with Jamaica, but suffice to say that they couldn't help me, the store couldn't help me, and when I call the Canadian head-office to speak to one of the product trainers, they wouldn't let me speak to them because it wasn't protocol.
I realize that this example is very extreme, but the point is this:
Both the Receiver and any Bryston audio product can both be purchased inthe same store.
The main difference is that the receiver is simply a rectangular metal (or plastic!) box while the Bryston is a work of art and will eventually be handed down as an heirloom.
Big difference!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: So There on 25 Apr 2013, 06:18 pm
Well said, Sam.

I was considering the new Marantz pre/pro, but in reading AVS and other forums, it seemed clear that customer service was distant at best. I sent a couple of pre-purchase email queries through the Marantz website; a month later, I had still not received a reply. I fear that my experience was rather typical, not just for this brand but for most mass-market manufacturers.

I had been following the SP3 threads on AudioCircle and other sites, as well as Kal Rubinson's and others' reviews of the SP3. Since I'm delighted with my 6BSST(C) and two 4BSST(C) amps, I determined to purchase the SP3. As I read the AudioCircle threads on the BDP-2 and BDA-2, products I had not been considering, I found the timely and cogent information from James and from Chris Rice persuasive, and I added both products to my order. The sound is the best I've heard in my home, absolutely revelatory.

To extend your point, with Bryston, you're not just buying the box (well-designed though it is), you're getting the support of Bryston's highly skilled and incredibly generous people.

I'm experienced in not getting my hopes up, being a Sharks fan as well. (I still miss the Nordiques and Whalers.)

Cheerio,

Rich
_______________
Whiney Napa Valley

The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Apr 2013, 08:10 pm
‘Mini T’ as a Best of Salon Son & Image 2013.

http://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/opinion/563

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Apr 2013, 04:03 pm
New Bryston Speaker ADVERT  :thumb:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79494)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: So There on 26 Apr 2013, 08:46 pm
I couldn't believe this ad! Wink2

You Brystonites are really getting annoying with all these SOTA products earning rave after rave, award after award. Now that you're tempting us with superb speakers, maybe you can assist your loyal clientele through the Bank of James. I can believe in that.  :D

Suspendedly,

Rich
__________________
Unbelievable Napa Valley
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Apr 2013, 08:50 pm
I couldn't believe this ad! Wink2

You Brystonites are really getting annoying with all these SOTA products earning rave after rave, award after award. Now that you're tempting us with superb speakers, maybe you can assist your loyal clientele through the Bank of James. I can believe in that.  :D

Suspendedly,

Rich
__________________
Unbelievable Napa Valley

Hi Rich,

Yes I am really pleased with the positive feedback so far on the speakers and I have a number of great reviews on the way - I really like the fact that I can now offer a complete Stereo or Home Theater system with a known predictable performance. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 26 Apr 2013, 09:34 pm
   I really like the fact that I can now offer a complete Stereo or Home Theater system with a known predictable performance. :thumb:

james
:thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: s4s4s4 on 27 Apr 2013, 11:49 pm
The speakers are just simply insanely good for the $, actually insanely good period. As for the ad, loose the old fashioned font for "Suspension of disbelief"
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: m00nhawk on 28 Apr 2013, 12:08 am
As for the ad, loose the old fashioned font for "Suspension of disbelief"


Is it somehow bound, or tied up?  Or did you mean to say "Lose"?    :green:




Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 28 Apr 2013, 06:37 pm
Hi Rich,

Yes I am really pleased with the positive feedback so far on the speakers and I have a number of great reviews on the way - I really like the fact that I can now offer a complete Stereo or Home Theater system with a known predictable performance. :thumb:

james

...not for those who live on the other side of the pond...?!?! the speakers seem to be a North American joy?

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Apr 2013, 07:16 pm
...not for those who live on the other side of the pond...?!?! the speakers seem to be a North American joy?

al.

Hi Al

Brian from Bryston is going to Munich for the audio show next month and we are going to try and figure out the best way to introduce the speakers into Europe.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 28 Apr 2013, 08:52 pm
...ok, thanks. is there a chance to experience a Bryston speaker in Munich??

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Apr 2013, 09:35 pm
...ok, thanks. is there a chance to experience a Bryston speaker in Munich??

al.

No we will not have a demo.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bobNL on 28 Apr 2013, 09:55 pm
But an effort to reach us nevertheless!
Hope you will be able to convince the european distributors.

Many thanks!

Bob
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: rpmartins on 29 Apr 2013, 12:39 am
But an effort to reach us nevertheless!
Hope you will be able to convince the european distributors.

I hope so, too!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: s4s4s4 on 29 Apr 2013, 01:46 am

Is it somehow bound, or tied up?  Or did you mean to say "Lose"?    :green:

Yes LOL
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Apr 2013, 03:00 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Speaker – Real World Measurement

Hi Folks – real world feedback on the “IN ROOM” measurement of a pair of the Bryston Model T Signature Loudspeaker.

To: 'James Tanner'
Subject: RE: Bryston Model T Signature Speaker

Hi James, I really have not measured many speakers in my room. That said, from what I have done, The Model T have measured the best.

Please see the attached measurements using TrueRTA and calibrated mic measured a bit above my listening position, on axis, at 13 feet from the speakers. Again, please keep in mind these were basically done out of curiosity, and by no means constitute a “professional” measurement.

Cheers,

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79605)
Left

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79606)
Right

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: m00nhawk on 29 Apr 2013, 11:03 pm
Yes LOL


Spelling Police bust Font Cop....Film at Eleven....  :lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Apr 2013, 07:55 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Subwoofer Measurements

Hi Folks:

I have been asked how we get accurate measurements for our Bryston Subwoofers given that anechoic chambers (which we also have) have measurement limitations at very low frequencies.

Here is our outdoor Subwoofer Measuring Tower!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79633)

One of the limitations of an anechoic chamber comes from measuring very low frequencies. Even very large anechoic chambers have limited accuracy below about 85 Hz.

In order to obtain completely accurate measurements of the very long sound waves that come from low notes, we utilize a 90 foot tower upon which we hoist subwoofer prototypes.

In order to obtain 4-pi 360-degree measurements, the tower must be used in early morning or evening, when the wind is still.

James Tanner
Bryston
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 30 Apr 2013, 09:06 pm
 :o

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Apr 2013, 09:55 pm
Hi Folks,

Finally got my Center Channel Model T today - installed and ready to go  :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79702)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79703)



james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 1 May 2013, 02:11 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Subwoofer Measurements

Hi Folks:

I have been asked how we get accurate measurements for our Bryston Subwoofers given that anechoic chambers (which we also have) have measurement limitations at very low frequencies.

Here is our outdoor Subwoofer Measuring Tower!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79633)

One of the limitations of an anechoic chamber comes from measuring very low frequencies. Even very large anechoic chambers have limited accuracy below about 85 Hz.

In order to obtain completely accurate measurements of the very long sound waves that come from low notes, we utilize a 90 foot tower upon which we hoist subwoofer prototypes.

In order to obtain 4-pi 360-degree measurements, the tower must be used in early morning or evening, when the wind is still.

James Tanner
Bryston

I know the general  area where that tower is located. I hope sub woofers are effective at keeping black fly's and squeeters away, early morning or evenings with low wind conditions = YIKES!!! :o
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 May 2013, 07:33 pm
Hi Folks

Based on yesterdays memo regarding how Bryston measures/designs our subwoofers (see previous page) some have asked why go to all the trouble of using a 90 foot Tower outdoors given other more typical methods available for measuring subwoofers.

We could bury the subwoofer in the ground and get a true 2-pi measurement or we could use the more widely utilized near-field technique.

However, we don’t because we ‘have the ability’ to make a true 4-pi measurement. It is the “purest” and most direct and correct way. It is also VERY CONSISTANT, something that cannot be said for ground plane or near-field methods, unless an identical environment is used and the subwoofer position is not changed.

We also need this 4-pi ability to make the appropriate low frequency correction curves for our anechoic chamber and this must be done for EACH subwoofer model.

Finally, near-field computer techniques are fine for response at low volume levels, but impossible when trying to characterize subwoofer performance at high levels. It’s simply a matter of microphone overload levels when measuring near-field.

We also use the tower to confirm the low frequency response of our larger speakers like the Model T and Middle T.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Habs Fan on 2 May 2013, 02:47 am
I know the general  area where that tower is located.
Great deer stand with excellent sight  lines over looking the park.


How does one get a 100lbs worth of speaker up  there?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 May 2013, 09:57 am
Great deer stand with excellent sight  lines over looking the park.


How does one get a 100lbs worth of speaker up  there?

It has a motorized platform lift.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 2 May 2013, 01:23 pm
Hi Folks,

Finally got my Center Channel Model T today - installed and ready to go  :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79702)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79703)



james

Hi James,

I see that room frequently in the various (2) channel setups you have displayed .  What are its dimensions?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 May 2013, 02:20 pm
Hi

16.5 feet x 23 feet x 8 feet.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 May 2013, 10:48 am
Hi Folks,

Starting to get some dealer feedback on the new Bryston “MIDDLE T” speaker we just introduced:


From: Mark Jones
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 5:15 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re:

Hi James

The MIDDLE-T I think will be a big seller, they sound fantastic!

Mark Jones
Whitby Audio Video



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79748)



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 May 2013, 06:12 pm
Hi Folks,

Still hard at work fine tuning the ACTIVE version of the Bryston Model T loudspeaker.

Here are two of the anechoic measurements with the Bryston AX-1 Active crossover and the Model T speaker.


Model T Listening Window:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79764)

Model T Listening Window and Sound Power:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79765)

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 May 2013, 06:48 pm
BRYSTON MIDDLE T DEALER FEEDBACK

From: Dave Holmes
Sent: May-03
To: Bryston: James Tanner
Subject: Middle T

Hi James,

I just received my Middle Ts.

I am extremely impressed with their performance!

They have huge bass and power handling- to go along with excellent clarity without being bright.

I think you've completed the HAT TRICK now with Model T, Mini T and Middle T.

Congrats and THANKS - for doing such a fine job with your speaker family!

Dave
Audio Emporium
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 May 2013, 06:24 pm
Hi Folks,

Been asked to post a pic of the rear of the Model T Signature/Active version:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=80105)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 May 2013, 06:26 pm
Also working on the Literature text for the Active Version of the Model T:

First draft:

BRYSTON MODEL T ACTIVE SPEAKER

The Bryston Model T loudspeaker is also available in a fully ACTIVE version.

Active loudspeakers differ from Passive speakers in that the crossover that determines which drivers (Tweeter, Midrange and Woofer) get which audio frequencies is controlled by an ELECTRONIC crossover placed between the preamp and the power amplifiers rather than the passive crossover version which is typically built into the loudspeaker. Also all the drivers in the loudspeaker (T.M.W.) have an independent amplifier channel controlling them as opposed to a Passive crossover where one amplifier channel controls all the drivers in the speaker. So an Active 3-way speaker like the Bryston Model T requires 3 separate amplifier channels per speaker whereas the Model T Passive only requires one amplifier channel per speaker.

The advantage of an electronic crossover placed between the preamplifier and the power amplifiers is all the speaker control (crossover slopes, crossover points, gain etc.) are performed at what is called low level signal levels whereas passive crossovers are operating at what is referred to as high level signal levels. Manipulating and adjusting signals at low levels is far more accurate than attempting the same with high level signals. So if you look at the frequency response, the crossover slopes and the volume levels per driver required the Active crossover provides much more accuracy than the passive option.

If you refer to the graph of the Bryston Model T Active loudspeaker on page (?) you will see two graphs – one is the ‘Listening Window’ and the other is the ‘Sound Power Response’. With an Active crossover we can adjust and design these two performance areas of the speaker separately and independently whereas with a passive crossover they have to be adjusted in tandem.  So in a passive system an adjustment on the listening window affects the sound power directly and vice-versa.  The importance of the listening window and power response in a loudspeaker is explained in detail on page (?). So the flexibility and accuracy that Active crossovers provide cannot be underestimated from a performance perspective.

The other advantage of Active loudspeaker systems is the fact that the amplifiers output stage is directly connected to the loudspeaker driver.  So the Woofer, Midrange and Tweeter all have separate amplifiers controlling their movement directly rather than having to deal with passive components (capacitors, inductors, resistors etc.) required by passive networks. If you recognize that music is essentially a transient condition, a ‘stopping and starting’ as the music signal requires then any system that can control this stopping and starting of the drivers is much more capable of an accurate rendition of the input signal.  The transient response improvement with the direct connection between the amplifier and speaker in the active system. is mainly due to the fact that the main filter components in a passive crossover network, the inductors and capacitors, are energy storage devices. By definition they both suffer from forms of hysteresis where there is a delay between the energy storage and the release of that energy. This leads to a distortion of the signal’s time signature and it will also be frequency dependant to some extent. The other big area of benefit is that fact that the passive filter network has intrinsic losses and these losses translate directly into a reduction in the amplifier power that actually makes it to the loudspeaker drivers. Removing those losses from the equation translates into a more efficient transfer of energy between the amplifier and the loudspeaker.

If you are considering moving to an Active system at some point in the future then purchasing the Bryston ‘Signature’ version of the Model T loudspeaker is a great first step. You would simply replace the external passive crossover that comes with the Signature version of the speaker with the Bryston AX-1 Active crossover and add 4 more channels of amplification.


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 May 2013, 02:32 pm
Hi Folks,

Please see that link below – it is the Bryston Model T loudspeaker UPDATED brochure – it now includes info on the ACTIVE version of the Model T as well as the dedicated AX-1 Electronic Crossover.

ftp://ftp.bryston.com/pub/brochures/2013_Bryston_Model_T_Brochure.pdf

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 May 2013, 08:36 pm
DEALER FEEDBACK Bryston Model T Speaker:

Friggen great....... love the model T

AP


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 May 2013, 03:53 pm
Hi  James

Believe it or not Model T speakers on a Bryston B100 integrated amp- incredible!!!!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=80211)





Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 May 2013, 11:40 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Dealer Comment – Bryston Speakers
DATE:  May 2013
DEALER COMMENT – Smiths Custom Audio


Hi James

My god after teasing myself with the mini t and then having the crap kicked out of me by its BIG BROTHER Model T aka the ‘BIG T’…

I have finally given the Middle T a good listen and what a GREAT SPEAKER!


Can't say anything but WOW what a great speaker line up and the VALUE of all these speakers is absolutely superb...

Thanks James, and the whole Bryston Team you have made dreams come true once again.

Smith’s Custom Audio
Lethbridge, Alberta


P.S. -  Take one pair of Model T's and some Bryston Power one Music Player and turn up Michael Jackson's  "DIRTY DIANA" it has never sounded like this…. my pants were shaking …… AMAZING!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: klao on 13 May 2013, 05:53 pm
Hello James,

I noticed the Model T Sub MSRP is $4,195 each.  (Did you try them with the Maggie 20.7 yet, btw?)

How about the smaller Bryston sub's MSRP?  Also how did it performed/measured up on that 90-feet tower?

Cheers,
Klao
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 May 2013, 06:01 pm
Hello James,

I noticed the Model T Sub MSRP is $4,195 each.  (Did you try them with the Maggie 20.7 yet, btw?)

How about the smaller Bryston sub's MSRP?  Also how did it performed/measured up on that 90-feet tower?

Cheers,
Klao

Hi,

Yes they worked great with the MG20's - really blended well. 

Still working on the smaller Sub but around $3000

Both subs really go deep and the power amp section is the same on both.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=80432)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=80433)


james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 May 2013, 08:41 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Signature Speakers – WOOD ONLY


Hi Folks:

IMPORTANT:

Please be advised that going forward the Bryston Model T ‘Signature’  Speakers will only be available in real WOOD finishes (no vinyl)

The ‘Passive’ version of the Model T will continue to be available in both Vinyl or Wood finishes.

We still have a few Vinyl Signature series units available so please let me know if you have any interest in these last few.


Regards,
James Tanner
Bryston Ltd.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 15 May 2013, 04:01 pm
James,

now that the Hi End show in Munich is over...are the Bryston speakers now available in Europe?

thanks,

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 May 2013, 04:23 pm
James,

now that the Hi End show in Munich is over...are the Bryston speakers now available in Europe?

thanks,

al.

Hi Al,

We certainly had a lot of interest and Holland has come on board immediately.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 May 2013, 11:51 am
New Bryston mini t speaker review on the way - excerpt:

“Over the weeks that I spent with the Mini T’s, I did not find a single track or musical category that did not sound absolutely right. 

During this review, these speakers continued to sound better and better!

Nice beginning, Bryston.”
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bobNL on 18 May 2013, 05:39 pm
Hi Al,

We certainly had a lot of interest and Holland has come on board immediately.

james

Now that is what I call good news  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Bob
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 May 2013, 07:44 pm
Hi Folks – as promised another terrific review of the Bryston ‘mini t’ loudspeaker!!!!

http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/hardware/bryston-mini-speakers-review.html

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 May 2013, 03:23 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Customer Feedback - Bryston Model T Speakers


May 2013
   

Music Provides Joy

"Hi James

I just heard your Model T speakers at the Bryston dealer local to me - Audio Emporium near Milwaukee, WI.

They sounded really dynamic and did a great job recreating a big symphonic piece the dealer had queued-up.

Very "fast" speakers with a full low end.

I suspect these will only continue to grow in popularity as more people hear their sound.

Fantastic value!

Congrats and cheers."

Karl

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gil99 on 21 May 2013, 12:39 am
Hi James,
What will be the choice of the basic wood finishes and price for the Model T signature and is the external crossover included in the price.  Thank you

Gilles
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Signature Speakers – WOOD ONLY


Hi Folks:

IMPORTANT:

Please be advised that going forward the Bryston Model T ‘Signature’  Speakers will only be available in real WOOD finishes (no vinyl)

The ‘Passive’ version of the Model T will continue to be available in both Vinyl or Wood finishes.

We still have a few Vinyl Signature series units available so please let me know if you have any interest in these last few.


Regards,
James Tanner
Bryston Ltd.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 May 2013, 12:55 am
Hi James,
What will be the choice of the basic wood finishes and price for the Model T signature and is the external crossover included in the price.  Thank you

Gilles

Hi

The standard finishes are Natural Cherry, Boston Cherry and Black Ash.  There are custom finishes available as well at a premium.

The Signature external crossovers are an extra $1000 the pair list.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=80877)


James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 21 May 2013, 11:13 am
My living room is 11' x 13' with an 8-foot ceiling.  It's a typical living room with furniture and no room treatment.

I'm looking for a pair of speakers with good, powerful bass that will not sound boomy in this room.  Would I be able to use a pair of the Bryston Middle T floor standing speakers or should I be looking at the Bryston Mini T bookshelf speakers instead?

My current music system is a Linn Akurate system with the Linn Akurate 4200 power amp which is 4 channels at 200W into 4 Ohms (111W in 8 Ohms).
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 May 2013, 11:47 am
My living room is 11' x 13' with an 8-foot ceiling.  It's a typical living room with furniture and no room treatment.

I'm looking for a pair of speakers with good, powerful bass that will not sound boomy in this room.  Would I be able to use a pair of the Bryston Middle T floor standing speakers or should I be looking at the Bryston Mini T bookshelf speakers instead?

My current music system is a Linn Akurate system with the Linn Akurate 4200 power amp which is 4 channels at 200W into 4 Ohms (111W in 8 Ohms).

Hi Samurai

I think the Middle T would work well.  It goes deeper than the mini t - or the mini t and a Sub would be the option. It really depends on how low you want the low frequencies - the mini t has superb bass down to 40Hz.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 21 May 2013, 04:53 pm
Hi Samurai

I think the Middle T would work well.  It goes deeper than the mini t - or the mini t and a Sub would be the option. It really depends on how low you want the low frequencies - the mini t has superb bass down to 40Hz.

james

James,

Can the Bryston Middle T speakers be bi-amped?

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 May 2013, 04:55 pm
James,

Can the Bryston Middle T speakers be bi-amped?

Yes bi-amped or bi-wired. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 21 May 2013, 05:11 pm
Yes bi-amped or bi-wired. :thumb:

james

Excellent, thanks!  :D
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jaylevine on 22 May 2013, 01:32 pm
Only select Bryston dealers - not all.

james

James,

Do you have any new info on availability of Model-T Active in the US (I live in VA but could travel to WashDC/Maryland/North Carolina to audition them since I live mid-state).

Thanks

Jay
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 May 2013, 02:46 pm
James,

Do you have any new info on availability of Model-T Active in the US (I live in VA but could travel to WashDC/Maryland/North Carolina to audition them since I live mid-state).

Thanks

Jay

Hi Jay

I am still working on the Active crossover - doing the final blind listening tests.  I would say we are still about 3 months off.  I am recommending that customers interested in the Active Model T purchase the Signature version and we will trade out the passive external crossover for the Active crossover when they are ready.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jaylevine on 22 May 2013, 04:48 pm
Hi Jay

I am still working on the Active crossover - doing the final blind listening tests.  I would say we are still about 3 months off.  I am recommending that customers interested in the Active Model T purchase the Signature version and we will trade out the passive external crossover for the Active crossover when they are ready.

james

Thank you. Do you have any info on where I could audition them? The Bryston website does not list any speaker dealers in VA/MD/NC?

Jay
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 May 2013, 04:53 pm
Hi Jay

I have not opened anymore US dealers in the 2 months as we are selling all we can make.  The closest dealer for you for audition would be :

Audio Emporium
8766 N. Deerwood Dr. Brown Deer, WI 53209
Ph: 414-354-5082

Ask for Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jaylevine on 22 May 2013, 04:59 pm
Hi Jay

I have not opened anymore US dealers in the 2 months as we are selling all we can make.  The closest dealer for you for audition would be :

Audio Emporium
8766 N. Deerwood Dr. Brown Deer, WI 53209
Ph: 414-354-5082

Ask for Dave

Wow, you must carry like ten mobile devices given the speed you respond :D Pretty impressive given I've read you have a 'day job'.

Will have to wait until you start selling on the east coast--Wisconsin is like 1,000 miles away (I live in Richmond VA). Maybe the release of the active signatures will dove tail with the setting up of someone in Virginia and/or North Carolina or Maryland.

BTW: Own an 4BSSTsq, BP26 and Bryston BD1 (DAC)--love my stuff. It is wired to Maggie 3.7s and two Rel Subs--even my wife loves the setup (looks) and sound (what really matters). This is saying a lot re: her original shock has now given in to bragging about my system when we have family and friends over!!!!

Jay
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 May 2013, 05:24 pm
Wow, you must carry like ten mobile devices given the speed you respond :D Pretty impressive given I've read you have a 'day job'.

Will have to wait until you start selling on the east coast--Wisconsin is like 1,000 miles away (I live in Richmond VA). Maybe the release of the active signatures will dove tail with the setting up of someone in Virginia and/or North Carolina or Maryland.

BTW: Own an 4BSSTsq, BP26 and Bryston BD1 (DAC)--love my stuff. It is wired to Maggie 3.7s and two Rel Subs--even my wife loves the setup (looks) and sound (what really matters). This is saying a lot re: her original shock has now given in to bragging about my system when we have family and friends over!!!!

Jay

Well you are obviously a very intelligent guy with superb taste!!!!

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jaylevine on 22 May 2013, 06:55 pm
Well you are obviously a very intelligent guy with superb taste!!!!

james

Well, I do have superb taste but my wife might argue about who has the most intelligence in the family (based on many inputs over 28 years I'd be inclined to agree with her :lol:)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 May 2013, 01:18 pm
DEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Customer Feedback - Bryston Model T Passive Speakers

From: B67
Sent: Sunday, May 26 2013

“Good morning James,

Just a few observations from the first few hours with the Bryston Model T speakers. I haven’t had nearly enough time with them but in my experience what we perceive in the first little while dosen’t tend to change too much.  For sure James they really are quite unlike anything I have owned.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=81076)

Firstly, these are very warm and musical speakers in the best possible way whilst they reflect all that is happening in a recording they do not do it in a cold or clinical way this is far preferable over “audiophile” speakers and the recent trend to tilt the treble up in an etched manner. The bass is indeed well extended and “quick” transients are preserved and well served. I have measured useful response down to 20hz, indeed these are full range speakers.  The highs at first caused me some puzzlement I was not sure I was getting the full measure of the treble. This was put to rest while listening to some of my reference classical pieces. High frequency instruments such as bells were placed PROPERLY in the soundstage while other speakers tended to push them forward. While I do not think this is the most refined tweeter, most apparent on rock recording and cymbals, I believe it is a perfect match for these speakers and their overall coherence which is about as good as it gets in dynamic speakers. In terms of dynamic range one of your stated goals was to limit compression and I think this goal has been met. No speaker has unlimited dynamics as we know but the Model T is certainly in the top tier of this parameter indeed full range symphony recordings are superbly reproduced this is a great speaker for fans of Mahler’s somewhat overwrought symphonies. Susskind’s reading of Jupiter from Holst’s Planets (listening in DSD) is a true joy to listen to on these speakers.

The sound-staging is a revelation in this size speaker and price point. Depth is rendered in a wonderful manner and the layering within that depth is appropriate, well sized and accurate. This is a true revelation as other speakers the equal of these are at a much higher price point sometime 3 to 4 times as much. What you have achieved, re your design goals, will be a game changer James. As these become better known there will be a lot of sleepless nights for speaker designers and marketing departments in those other companies. Kudos to you sir.

To sum up these are superb transducers that punch well above their rather silly cheap price point. These speakers have the potential to truly shake up the high end industry and THAT is something that is long overdue.”
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 May 2013, 11:03 am
From: Mark Jones
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 9:25 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: Passive/active demo

Hi James,

Thanks for the Passive vs Active demo of the Model T speaker.

Again like I said  the demo proved how insanely good the passive Model T's are. They are the best speaker in the world for the money period.

The active version was more transparent. I felt I could walk between, reach out, and touch the musicians. The bass was deeper, tighter, and more controlled.

Both passive and active image like crazy. So not much diff there.

The positive attributes of the active system came with perhaps a small compromise, a less user-friendly tonal balance for nasty recordings. But hey, aren't audiophiles gonna buy these things, that's always been part of the package if you want the ultimate in performance.

Maybe by offering the user a bad recording (or customizable) switch on the front panel of the x-over would give the user the best of both worlds.

Mark Jones
Whitby Audio Video
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2013, 12:10 pm
From: Dan Churchill
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013
To: jamestanner@bryston.com

 
Hi there,

I continue to be astounded by the performance of the Model T, even in my sub-par configuration. :-)

Having passed the "get them working as quickly as possible" stage, I'm starting to make adjustments.

Thanks again for all of your efforts in helping me personally, and in developing the Model T in general! Much appreciated!

Dan
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: FireGuy on 31 May 2013, 01:35 pm
Quote:  "Again like I said  the demo proved how insanely good the passive Model T's are. They are the best speaker in the world for the money period".

I've yet to hear these speakers, and from what I've read (for the most part) they seem to be performing quite well.  Congrats to Bryston.   This statement however is just too accommodating IMO.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2013, 02:58 pm
Hi Folks,

A number of people have asked me how the Signature Model T speaker external PASSIVE crossover hookup works.

Below is the hookup:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=81508)


jkames
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 31 May 2013, 03:29 pm
Hi Folks,

A number of people have asked me how the Signature Model T speaker external PASSIVE crossover hookup works.

Below is the hookup:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=81444)

jkames
Hi James,
I think it would be nice to do the same thing for the active version also because there are some folks out there that are still confused.
It would be even more beneficial if you could mark the different  options for power amps.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2013, 03:52 pm
Bryston Amplifiers Options For 'Active' Model T Loudspeaker

9B SST-3-Channel  X TWO   

6B SST2 x TWO   

7B SST2 x TWO with 3B SST2 x TWO   

7B SST2 x TWO with 4B SST2 x TWO
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 31 May 2013, 03:56 pm
Hi James,

Thanks for this info. How would two 28b mono's hookup?
And, why would you have the external crossover have 6 inputs, while we only have two outputs on the amps? And you designed the crossover to internally connect the inputs high, mid and sub?

Marius
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2013, 04:01 pm
Hi James,

Thanks for this info. How would two 28b mono's hookup?
And, why would you have the external crossover have 6 inputs, while we only have two outputs on the amps? And you designed the crossover to internally connect the inputs high, mid and sub?

Marius

Hi marius,

What we do now is bridge the 3 sets of INPUTS ( with external links which can be removed) ) so the customer can use his current set of cables to connect to the input on the Signature crossover. Then we sell a cable kit for the Sig crossover output or the customer can use 3 sets of his own cable. 

So with the 28B's - which I use - I just have the single set of cables from the 28B to the crossover input.  Sometimes at shows I will use the 2 sets of 28B outputs.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 31 May 2013, 04:36 pm
James, thank you!
Still, im a bit in limbo. Could you post a diagram of connections using 2 mono amps?

Hopin Mafico will be able to have us, me, test your active and passive T's...

Marius

Hi marius,

What we do now is bridge the 3 sets of INPUTS ( with external links which can be removed) ) so the customer can use his current set of cables to connect to the input on the Signature crossover. Then we sell a cable kit for the Sig crossover output or the customer can use 3 sets of his own cable. 

So with the 28B's - which I use - I just have the single set of cables from the 28B to the crossover input.  Sometimes at shows I will use the 2 sets of 28B outputs.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2013, 04:53 pm
James, thank you!
Still, im a bit in limbo. Could you post a diagram of connections using 2 mono amps?

Hopin Mafico will be able to have us, me, test your active and passive T's...

Marius

Hi Marius,

It would hook up exactly like the Stereo amp in the diagram except two separate amplifier chassis of course.

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 31 May 2013, 07:14 pm
Bryston Amplifiers Options For 'Active' Model T Loudspeaker

9B SST-3-Channel  X TWO   

6B SST2 x TWO   

7B SST2 x TWO with 3B SST2 x TWO   

7B SST2 x TWO with 4B SST2 x TWO

James,

How about 7B SST2 X 2 and 9B SST2 4 Channel X 1 or is that too much of a power mismatch?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2013, 08:04 pm
James,

How about 7B SST2 X 2 and 9B SST2 4 Channel X 1 or is that too much of a power mismatch?

Yes that would work as well but recognize that the midrange and tweeter drivers have different impedance characteristics so the mids and tweets are higher impedances needing more power than if they were 4 ohms like the woofers.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2013, 10:59 pm
Hi James

Dear God these just keep getting better, better I tells ya!

With about 50 more hours on the Model T speakers the midrange has gained transparency they now have that " in the room quality" that great speakers have. I don't think quite to the quality of the Salon2s or Avalon ISIS but those speakers while having extremely revealing mids also lack a bit of the warmth that live music has, the Model T has this "live music quality".

The Revel Salon2 have a very clinical sound that may measure well but strips music of emotion. This makes the Bryston a more involving speaker that will serve the person who actually attends live acoustic concerts more than audiophiles who favour an etched musical quality that doesn't exist in reality.
Comparing the Bryston to a three times more expensive speaker may strike one as odd but the Revel is a known quantity for many people and frankly the minimum standard that one should be comparing the Model T to.

At first the highs seemed to almost be shelved especially noticeable in cymbals and the bells  however the highs are much more apparent now  and while it's not the most refined tweeter, I prefer the ISOTAR and the KEF co-ax driver used in the Blade and LS50,  it's a very good tweeter and matches perfectly with this speaker.  The leading edge seems to be slightly favoured over the decay of cymbals.

The soundstaging is superb our room is 22x16x10 and I can get almost wall to wall, floor to ceiling soundstaging on certain tracks. The oddest thing is for speakers this large nothing really seems pinned to the speakers but seems to emanate from a 3 dimensional space.

Bass has changed the least I  am getting 20Hz about -6dB down which gives the proper underpinning for almost any music, on some organ music the last octave is somewhat diminished but this is really inconsequential as these speakers are truly full range.Bass is quick, extended and well defined.

Lastly, low level detail is quite good, one of my tests is Al Stewart's "Flying Sorcery" which has a punch-in on the second verse that is not always apparent on speakers and it's quite obvious on these. In the same cut there's a very soft keyboard wash in the second verse that many speakers tend to slight and again it's reproduced here at the proper level.

The Brystons have a coherence and rightness about them that is very rare in highly resolving speakers. Highly recommended and a must audition in their price range and much higher.

System Amps: Pass Labs X250.5 and Conrad Johnson CA-200 Integrated Amplifier, Preamp: VTL 5.5, DAC: Mytek Stereo192-DSD DAC, Cables: Various Kimber and Cardas.

Nick
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jun 2013, 04:51 pm
Hi Folks,

Please see below link for a new review on the Bryston Model T speaker In Soundstage Magazine. It is encouraging to see a magazine review that includes extensive objective measurements to go along with the reviewers subjective opinion.

http://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/579

Please pay special attention to this link below showing the superb anechoic measurements of the Model T taken at the NRC in Ottawa.

http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=988:nrc-measurements-bryston-model-t-loudspeakers&catid=77:loudspeaker-measurements&Itemid=153

Soundstage tells me these are excellent measurements at any price point but at Bryston price points they are exceptional!  The reviewer also told me that the Model T measured better (flatter) than any other speaker he has tested in his listening room.

Regards,
James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: milford3 on 1 Jun 2013, 05:29 pm
Excellent review.  Had to take this from the review:

After thoroughly exploring his options, Tanner enlisted speaker engineer Andrew Welker, of Canada’s Axiom Audio. Tanner knew Welker, and that Axiom is one of the few Canadian audio companies that had on-site its own anechoic chamber and the required measurement equipment for such an undertaking. Tanner, Welker, and Axiom's founder, Ian Colquhoun, worked together for two years before Tanner was satisfied enough with the results to install a prototype in his home listening room.

Great partnership with Axiom :thumb: James.  You have a real winner on your hands with the Model T.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jun 2013, 06:18 pm
Excellent review.  Had to take this from the review:

After thoroughly exploring his options, Tanner enlisted speaker engineer Andrew Welker, of Canada’s Axiom Audio. Tanner knew Welker, and that Axiom is one of the few Canadian audio companies that had on-site its own anechoic chamber and the required measurement equipment for such an undertaking. Tanner, Welker, and Axiom's founder, Ian Colquhoun, worked together for two years before Tanner was satisfied enough with the results to install a prototype in his home listening room.

Great partnership with Axiom :thumb: James.  You have a real winner on your hands with the Model T.

Thanks milford - certainly has been a labour of love and expanded way beyond my initial thoughts,  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: FireGuy on 1 Jun 2013, 06:45 pm
Kudos James from Buffalo on your most successful venture.  I was fortunate enough to attend Axiom's 30th bash for their forum members (and others) and came away most impressed.  Ian, Amie, Andrew , Brent, Alan and JC welcomed us so graciously.  Got to attend a few work shops,  participate in a double-blind listening test and most important socialize with the Axiom group.  Their hospitality is just as great as their products; their manufacturing and testing resources now reach a little further.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jun 2013, 07:23 pm
Kudos James from Buffalo on your most successful venture.  I was fortunate enough to attend Axiom's 30th bash for their forum members (and others) and came away most impressed.  Ian, Amie, Andrew , Brent, Alan and JC welcomed us so graciously.  Got to attend a few work shops,  participate in a double-blind listening test and most important socialize with the Axiom group.  Their hospitality is just as great as their products; their manufacturing and testing resources now reach a little further.

Yes when I think about what the prices of the speakers would had to have been if I had  to do this all on my own it makes one very thankful that Ian and the group were willing to work with this wild eye guy from an electronics company  :lol:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Stedanko on 1 Jun 2013, 07:28 pm
Andrew Welker is a very well respected and engineer who did the , Si series and the OM series at Mirage. A top notch
engineer right up there with Voecks and the late Jim Thiel.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jun 2013, 08:26 pm
Customer Feedback - Model T

Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: Model T

Hi James

"Dude!  Listening to Bill Berry and His Ellington All-Stars: For Duke [M&K Realtime Records] with peaks above 105dB on my Model T’s …. not a word of a lie the BAND is here with us.

A transcendent experience from one the Hi Fi salon regulars from the 70s"


Hi There

Yes I do not think people realize how much dynamic compression their speakers have until you listen to something like the Model T.... which does not!!!

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: So There on 1 Jun 2013, 08:51 pm
Another very impressive achievement, James. Congratulations on the new speaker line.

Any chance in the future of an HT surround speaker for wall placement, something like this?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=81533)

Cheerio,

Rich
_________________
Whiney Napa Valley
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jun 2013, 11:51 pm
Another very impressive achievement, James. Congratulations on the new speaker line.

Any chance in the future of an HT surround speaker for wall placement, something like this?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=81533)

Cheerio,

Rich
_________________
Whiney Napa Valley



Hi Rich - yes we have an INWALL and an ONWALL available.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=81545)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=81546)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: FireGuy on 2 Jun 2013, 12:53 am
Andrew Welker is a very well respected and engineer who did the , Si series and the OM series at Mirage. A top notch
engineer right up there with Voecks and the late Jim Thiel.

You are quite correct Stedanko regarding Andrew's resume.  His most recent project the LFR 1100's are excellent speakers and there is new scuttlebutt his "team" is busy on their line of subs doing what audio engineers do.   I was fortunate to sit in on one of his workshops for Axiom's VP 180 center...talked about design parameters and measurements etc.,  most impressive.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: So There on 2 Jun 2013, 01:20 am
Uh, oh, James:

This is getting very, very dangerous.  :drool:

Rich
_______________
Whiney Napa Valley
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Jun 2013, 12:27 pm
Hi Fi Reviews

Bryston Model T: Can't Get Enough Of It

The more I listen to it, the more I am falling in love with the Bryston Model T speakers.

A bunch of hifi enthusiasts were invited to this event today words like excellent separation, balanced and superb sounding are just some of the praises coming out from the audience.

Songs after songs and people just wanted more.

Great atmosphere, great people, great music, great speakers...

Now need to find time to demo that Mini Model T....

 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 6 Jun 2013, 12:16 am
Pardon my stupid question (:oops:) but can someone please explain to me, in plain English, what the difference is between the Bryston Model T Signature and the Bryston Model T Passive?

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jun 2013, 12:27 am
Pardon my stupid question (:oops:) but can someone please explain to me, in plain English, what the difference is between the Bryston Model T Signature and the Bryston Model T Passive?

Passive has the crossover 'inside' the speaker cabinet. Signature has the crossover outside 'external' to the speaker in a separate box.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Grit on 6 Jun 2013, 12:31 am
What's the advantage to having crossovers inside vs outside of the cabinet?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jun 2013, 12:35 am
What's the advantage to having crossovers inside vs outside of the cabinet?

Assuming the 'same' components in the crossover the only advantage would be the ability to go to an Active crossover easily.

Under heavy drive conditions components inside can heat up and their values will change - the external crossover will dissipate the heat better - not a big issue except under heavy drive conditions.


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Jun 2013, 12:33 pm
From: Dan Churchill
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 11:16 PM
To: James Tanner

BRYSTON MODEL T SPEAKER REPORT

James, I just don’t know what else to say about my Model T’s !!!!

They are simply so natural sounding that I am frequently caught looking around the room/house to see who made the noise. I can’t just “tune-out” from a T.V. show or movie anymore because I can’t tell what’s part of the sound-track and what’s actually in the house.

Very surreal at times. :-)

Dan
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mav52 on 8 Jun 2013, 04:13 pm
James any dealer in the GA, SC, NC or north east Fla have your speakers on hand for a demo ?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Jun 2013, 04:23 pm
James any dealer in the GA, SC, NC or north east Fla have your speakers on hand for a demo ?

No I am sorry we have not opened any dealers in that area as we are having difficulty supplying the dealers we have already. They are all hand built and tested.

Plus remember most dealers need another speaker like a hole in the head :duh:  I think the Bryston speaker success will be driven by the customers who purchase them rather than relying on dealer interest.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 8 Jun 2013, 04:34 pm
No I am sorry we have not opened any dealers in that area as we are having difficulty supplying the dealers we have already. They are all hand built and tested.

Plus remember most dealers need another speaker like a hole in the head :duh:  I think the Bryston speaker success will be driven by the customers who purchase them rather than relying on dealer interest.

James
Hi James,
I was wondering if Audio Advisor would be interested in Bryston speakers!!!! The price, quality and the support would fit exactly in their catalog.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Jun 2013, 04:40 pm
Hi James,
I was wondering if Audio Advisor would be interested in Bryston speakers!!!! The price, quality and the support would fit exactly in their catalog.

I haven't approach them but it might be a good option going forward.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mav52 on 8 Jun 2013, 06:32 pm
No I am sorry we have not opened any dealers in that area as we are having difficulty supplying the dealers we have already. They are all hand built and tested.

Plus remember most dealers need another speaker like a hole in the head :duh:  I think the Bryston speaker success will be driven by the customers who purchase them rather than relying on dealer interest.

James

Wow I would have thought Audio Advice in Charlotte (Pineville) and Raleigh being Bryston dealers would have them.. or Atlanta Audio & Automation
Atlanta, GA , Well I guess getting a demo is pretty much out of the question..
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: BrysTony on 8 Jun 2013, 10:15 pm
Once the customer base gets larger maybe something could be set up for AudioCircle members to demo them on a volunteer basis.

Tony
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Jun 2013, 11:40 pm
Wow I would have thought Audio Advice in Charlotte (Pineville) and Raleigh being Bryston dealers would have them.. or Atlanta Audio & Automation
Atlanta, GA , Well I guess getting a demo is pretty much out of the question..

Sadly yes a demo is a long shot from an established dealer. Most dealers want to sell what people are already predisposed too and breaking a new speaker is not something that interests them.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jun 2013, 08:01 am
Hi Folks,

We have received a terrific amount of feedback on the Bryston Speakers over the last few months so I thought it may be usefull to put it in one document:

FEEDBACK FROM MARCH 2013 TO JUNE 2013 ON BRYSTON SPEAKERS
 

Bryston Model T
Just a few observations from the first few hours with the Bryston Model T speakers. I haven’t had nearly enough time with them but in my experience what we perceive in the first little while doesn’t tend to change too much. For sure James they really are quite unlike anything I have owned.
Firstly, these are very warm and musical speakers in the best possible way whilst they reflect all that is happening in a recording they do not do it in a cold or clinical way this is far preferable over “audiophile” speakers and the recent trend to tilt the treble up in an etched manner. The bass is indeed well extended and “quick” transients are preserved and well served. I have measured useful response down to 20hz, indeed these are full range speakers. The highs at first caused me some puzzlement I was not sure I was getting the full measure of the treble. This was put to rest while listening to some of my reference classical pieces. High frequency instruments such as bells were placed PROPERLY in the soundstage while other speakers tended to push them forward. While I do not think this is the most refined tweeter, most apparent on rock recording and cymbals, I believe it is a perfect match for these speakers and their overall coherence which is about as good as it gets in dynamic speakers. In terms of dynamic range one of your stated goals was to limit compression and I think this goal has been met. No speaker has unlimited dynamics as we know but the Model T is certainly in the top tier of this parameter indeed full range symphony recordings are superbly reproduced this is a great speaker for fans of Mahler’s somewhat overwrought symphonies. Susskind’s reading of Jupiter from Holst’s Planets (listening in DSD) is a true joy to listen to on these speakers.
The sound-staging is a revelation in this size speaker and price point. Depth is rendered in a wonderful manner and the layering within that depth is appropriate, well sized and accurate. This is a true revelation as other speakers the equal of these are at a much higher price point sometime 3 to 4 times as much. What you have achieved, re your design goals, will be a game changer James. As these become better known there will be a lot of sleepless nights for speaker designers and marketing departments in those other companies. Kudos to you sir.
To sum up these are superb transducers that punch well above their rather silly cheap price point. These speakers have the potential to truly shake up the high end industry and THAT is something that is long overdue.

Nick

Bryston Model T
Music Provides Joy! I just heard your Model T speakers at the Bryston dealer local to me - Audio Emporium near Milwaukee, WI. They sounded really dynamic and did a great job recreating a big symphonic piece the dealer had queued-up. Very "fast" speakers with a full low end. I suspect these will only continue to grow in popularity as more people hear their sound
Fantastic value! Congrats and cheers.

Bryston Model T - Smith’s Custom Audio (Lethbridge, Alberta)
My god after teasing myself with the mini t and then having the crap kicked out of me by its BIG BROTHER Model T aka the 'BIG T'... I have finally given the Middle T a good listen and what a GREAT SPEAKER! Can't say anything but WOW what a great speaker line up and the VALUE of all these speakers is absolutely superb... Thanks James, and the whole Bryston Team you have made dreams come true once again.
P.S. - Take one pair of Model T's and some Bryston Power one Music Player and turn up Michael Jackson's "DIRTY DIANA" it has never sounded like this... my pants were shaking... AMAZING!

Bryston Model T Middle - Dave (Audio Emporium
I just received my Middle T's. I am extremely impressed with their performance!
They have huge bass and power handling- to go along with excellent clarity without being bright. I think you've completed the HAT TRICK now with Model T, Mini T and Middle T.
There are literally hundreds of speakers to choose from "out there". Which should we specialist dealers offer? How many lines provide the specialist dealer what we need to do well? We need great sound at competitive prices, strong reliability, with distribution and customer support. Congrats and THANKS - for doing such a fine job with your speaker family!

Bryston Model T Middle - Mark Jones (Whitby Audio Video)
The MIDDLE-T I think will be a big seller, they sound fantastic!

Bryston Model T - Sam (Audio One Canada Day)
I was at the Audio One Middle T demo last night! I don't post very often but this morning I am compelled to do so. This is Sam (you called me Joe a few times but that's OK!) - it was pleasure meeting you again last night."Sounded Superb" is bang on. I was really floored by these gems. Absolutely smooth as silk with a bass bottom to die for, the voices were sounding like the artists were in the room, and a smooth and clear top end and midrange.
A very well know brand of speakers that retail for $20,000 were in the next room, and these at one quarter the price were better - hands down! I didn't get a chance to hear the big brother Model T but I can imagine that they would be incredible. And while I am writing.... For those of you who have never met James, what a real gentleman! He took the time to talk "audio" with me for about half an hour and I got a chance to understand the Bryston philosophy. This is a company that builds products to the best that technology offers and then sets a fair price to make a fair profit. This is unlike many other companies that sell inferior products at insane prices to cater to the "Audio Jewelry" crowd. If James and his engineers could build a better sounding product, they would. The R&D that went into the speakers took 2 years of effort to develop custom drivers and cabinets and the results are sublime
I came away realizing that I will never be sorry buying a Bryston product! The products are built with passion and HONESTY and I know that this company will stand behind it for a lifetime.

Bryston Model T Mini - Lam Seng Fatt (av2day.com)
Those who turned up for the launch of the Bryston Model T speakers at the AV Designs showroom in Kuala Lumpur last week were too engrossed with listening to the impressive speakers to notice their 'little brother' near the entrance. The Model T Mini has also arrived in Malaysia. James Tan and Tony Low were too busy demo-ing the Model T, and chances are they will still try to sell you the floorstanders, but from reports coming in from abroad, the Minis are quite remarkable too.
How many three-way standmounts are there in the market anyway? I can only think of the Spendor SP1/2R² and the SP100R² and the PMC IB2i and MB2i. I suggest you wait a while for the buzz about the Model T to die down and then ask James to set up the Model T Mini for an audition.

Bryston Model T - Paul Inman
 I was unpacking my new Model T speakers and got called into work, so I only had chance to play a couple of CD's, however I am really impressed, I think Mark Knopfler is in my basement : ) this is with my cheapo \ temporary speaker cable. You must be thrilled with the feedback they are receiving, particularly being your first speaker!

Bryston Model T, BHA-1 - Tom Lathrop (Enjoy the Music, Montreal Audio Show) 
Bryston had sent out a press release and renewed my interest in the speakers they introduced at the TAVES show in Toronto last September. I was really looking forward to spending more time with them in Montreal. As I descended the elevator to the larger rooms on the lower level I caught a glimpse of James Tanner out of the corner of my bad eye. I turned left toward the rooms I had known from previous years. Guess I've become a creature of habit, thought the people at Bryston will probably think of me as just a creature. Upon return home, Tom mentioned that it was his favorite room at the show, so I asked him to write a paragraph for me. He gets to hear most everything I review so I know from our conversations he has a good ear. He wrote:
"Bryston was featuring their new Model T Signature floor-standing speaker, part of a new line of Model T speakers. The standard Model T and the stand-mount Mini T were on silent display. The Model T Signature differs from the standard model by having the crossovers external to the speaker cabinet. The crossovers were in small boxes on the floor behind the speakers, and contain upgraded parts. The speakers were driven by a pair of Bryston 28B SST2 monoblocks, which are rated at 1000W per channel.
This system sounded exceptionally transparent and uncolored. The speakers seem to provide high value for the price.

Bryston Model T Mini - Burhoe (AK Member)
Blown Away by Bryston Mini T's! I heard the Bryston Mini T's today. I was skeptical of the reviews I have read of late of their performance. I take most reviews with a grain of salt anyways. After listening for two hours plus I was blown away. They seem to handle every genre of music with ease. The scary thing was the pair I was listening to weren't even broke in. I associate bookshelf speakers with weak bass but great detail. These actually had bass. If you get a chance go audition them. You'll be very surprised by these speakers.

Bryston Model T - Michael (Calgary Alberta) 
What a treat! I was truly surprised! This speaker amazed me for its ability to deliver such a clean/fast sound with articulate bass and a very even midrange. I am still shocked at the price/performance ratio. I think it would be a challenge to find a speaker for the price of 6-7K that would actually surpass the Bryston Model T in all areas. I am so happy i had the chance to hear it today at Absolute Audio in Calgary.
This is a speaker that would sound great with a good 70WPC amp or a 600WPC amp of any HQ brands out there. Actually i would love to know how many buy it with/without Bryston amps... even though in the photo it shows Ayre gear......I actually heard it hooked up to the 4BSST2 and BP26 and BP2/BDA2 and it sounded outstanding! The build is very solid and certainly made with Canadian Pride! Hmmmmm... maybe I need a 3rd system in an excuse to get these speakers.

Bryston Model T Mini - Ashley (Smiths Audio, Lethbridge, Alberta)
The Bryston mini t's showed up today! They are like a drug once you have listened to them … seconds after I turned them on you are pulled in and hooked! - Holy F$@? This is so much fun! Who ever thought this would be this much fun after all the years and all the speakers I have listened to... thanks so much Bryston.

Bryston Model T - Paul Campagna (Montreal Show 2013, Bryston)
I was at the Montreal festival Son et Image and when I arrived home placed an order for 7bsst2 mono blocs from one of your dealers. I USE TO HAVE 4BSST FOR THE PAST 6 YEARS. I'm using bdp-1, bda-1, bp-26 with power supply and dynaudio c4 signature wired with bis audio vivat cable. I'd like to know if it is really important to use 20 amp breakers with 12-2 or 10-2. will i see a difference in sound and how important it is to have each mono bloc with a separate line. BTW great job with the new speakers , they sound terrific.

Bryston Model T, 14B SST2, BDP-1 - Rich Jackson
I received my Model T’s late last Thursday (April 4) and ran them continuously for 3 plus days. I was pleasantly surprised in the “Bryston” sleeve covering the entire speaker. Upon opening the speakers I mounted the outriggers and placed and fine-tuned their position. I then attached the spikes and leveled them. I replaced some American made 15K speakers and had my doubts about the T’s ability to play as well as my replaced speakers. My initial impression was not great, but the T’s continued to improve each day.
I put them to the test this morning with the studio version of Dire Straits doing "Telegraph Road". I have used this cut as a demo for almost 15 years now and hadn’t realized that there was bass at the opening of the song. I pushed my 14B to the max streaming through my BDP-1 and they played with authority and wonderful dynamics. They have the detail without any trace of harshness. It was extremely satisfying to finally push them to their limits. Great image, great off axis response, and a very controlled and physical bottom end. Yes, I’m very happy with my new Bryston Model T’s.

Bryston Model T, BDP-2, BDA-2, BP26, MPS-2, 28B SST2, BHA-1 –
Suave Kajko (Canada Hi-Fi Magazine) 
The Bryston room had already captured a healthy audience by the time we arrived. You can always count on James Tanner and Brian Russell to put together something to captivate listeners and this year was no exception. There was James T. sitting at the iPad helm of the main system comprised of Bryston’s BDP-2 networked digital player, BDA-2 DAC, BP26 preamplifier with MPS-2 commanding Bryston’s flagship amplifiers – twin 28B-SST2 monoblocks. The speakers were none other than Bryston’s own Model T Signatures a 7-driver, 3-way speaker with external passive crossover.
The Model T’s looked very attractive in a new exotic Zebrawood veneer finish, which by the way is a recycled product. And the sound – revealing and immediate with terrific transient response and overall ease. Dynamics, both micro and macro were riveting and the sound filled the room with fullness, richness and power. We requested some Stevie Ray Vaughan, which James graciously granted.
In the room was also Bryston’s new Middle T, a 3-way, 4-driver, simplified version of the Model T for those with limits on their room or budget but not performance. A number of other Bryston products were featured in the room including the Mini T bookshelf and TC-1 Centre speaker, as well as a BHA-1 headphone amplifier setup, running with Grado headphones.

Bryston Model T - Gilles Lussier (Montreal Show 2013) 
It has been very pleasant to see you again during the Montreal Hi Fi Show.
In my opinion, Bryston has made a serious dent in the competition this year again. With the electronics, of course, but also with the new "Model T" Loudspeakers. Very smooth and effortless sound. I was surprised with the low pricing. Bravo for your achievement!
At one point during the audio demonstration, I was watching you seated in the front row, savoring with great satisfaction your new baby: Model T. Great new addition to your list of great stuff.

Bryston Model T - gil99 (Montreal 2013 Son & Image Show)
When Bryston decide to make a new component they do it well. They prove it one more time at the Montreal show with their new speakers, they were sounding great.
Congratulation, job nice done.

Bryston Model T, 28B SST2 - Jared Rachwalski (Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity) 
Bryston came out big this year with a full suite of speaker’s amps and other electronics.
James Tanner was on hand (literally) playing back tracks with the BDP controlled by his iPhone. The large Model T Signature with out-board passive crossovers were fed by a 28BSST /side. The sound was dynamic and clean with no hint of strain or issue. The bass was full and accurate over a wide range of tracks. James seemed pleased with the results as was most of attendees judging by the smiling faces exiting the room.

Bryston Model T, BP16, 4B SST2, BDP2, BDA2 - El Hefe (What Hi Fi?)
Spent about 2 hours, mesmerized by these wonderful Bryston speakers. All the clarity, highs and mids that I enjoyed a couple of weeks back were still there. But this time around, the low end was really refined but still gutsy enough to give that thumping to your heart. It was really tonally balanced regardless of what music genre you play. And we really played today. Even the dealers were excited them-selfs but I was even more excited. Today, these speakers were driven by the pair of BP16 pre amp and the 4BSST2 power amp. Wired by of course, WyWires. Source was through BDP2 and BDA2.
We threw in Dire Straits, CCR, Pink Panther theme, Metallica, Stan Getz and Gilberto, The Eagles etc... MP3, WAV, FLAC, hi res... and the speakers just smiled at us, performing its best (though can’t wait to listen to them in the AV show this year in a bigger room). We played it loud today and the bass was so refined and detail and did not muffle at all. Each bass-line and kick pedal was clear, solid with no sign of distortion. And it did not overshadow the clarity and crispiness of the mids and highs.
It was goooddd!!!

The one thing that really stood out was on the wind instrument. I think it was a clarinet playing. I can even hear the extent of the musician’s breath to play those long notes.
You guys just need to experience these speakers for yourself.

Bryston Model T - CDG59 (Montreal Show, 2013)
I went to the Salon Son & Image on Saturday. I went into the Bryston room where the T model was playing. I saw James Tanner who was frantically changing music every 30 seconds. I thought he did not leave much chance for the listener to listen his speakers. So, I sat next to him. I asked him a piece of Stevie Ray Vaughan.
As chance would have it, I had heard this song on another sound system with speakers very, very expensive. The T models are very surprising. For the price, this is undoubtedly a very strong competitor. I confess that when I saw the pictures of the complex crossover, too many parts to my taste, the number of drivers, I did not have any trust. After listening, I found that they had the best quality / price ratio of the show. Honestly, I'm not paid to say that. Moral of the story, trust your ears.

Bryston Model T - Dave
Hello, I heard a pair of your Model T’s today and I couldn’t believe my ears. I’m using a pair of $28,000 SoundLabs right now and I’m considering purchasing the Model T’s!

Bryston Model T - Robert Deutsch (Stereophile) 
When Bryston's Model T speaker was introduced at SSI 2012, it was in the form of a prototype, on passive display. From a comment that I've seen by James Tanner (who headed up the design team for the Model T), at one point it was not clear whether this was going to be a commercial product or just a personal reference. But now it's full steam ahead for a line of Bryston speakers. Model T is available in three versions: the basic passive model, the Model T Signature (outboard passive crossover, with custom-made air-core chokes and proprietary film capacitors), and an active version (requires six channels of amplification, not included). Other speakers in the line are the Middle T, mini t, as well as home-theater-oriented speakers, a sub, and in-wall and on-wall speakers. Most of these are available now, and others are slated for shipping in May and a few in Q3. Bryston is definitely serious about their speaker line. The speakers on demo at SSI 2013 were the Model T Signatures, and, with Bryston source and electronics, the sound was simply terrific: big, open, precise imaging, with tremendous dynamics, especially in the bass. The bass is said to be flat to 25Hz, and, based on what I heard, I don't doubt it. Bryston has a winner here.

Bryston Model T - Alph (Montreal Show, 2013) 
My thumb-ups: The Bryston set-up was very good. They presented a full range loudspeakers which was a killer in terms on price/performance. Impressive!

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jun 2013, 08:01 am
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Bryston Model T Passive - Scott
I was able to listen to a set of passive Model T's @ Pulsworks in Saskatoon SK and they sounded ridiculously awesome! I sat and listened to them with David Puls, the owner of the store, for about 45 minutes and he had a ton of great things to say about Bryston.
Right before I listened to the Model T's I was listening to a set of (XXXXXXXX) and in my opinion they didn't hold a candle to the Model T's. David put on "Flight of the Cosmic Hippo" by Bella Fleck and Fleckstones and my jaw dropped at the bass coming out of those speakers.

Bryston Model T, B135 SST2 - James Tan
The Signature is sounding great even with just the B135 driving them, huge soundstage, seamless across the frequency range, great bass extension, power and weight.

Bryston Model T - James Tan
Have only tried the Model T two days ago, just fresh out of the box, already like, like, like. Even better this morning. Amazing sound!

Bryston Model T Mini - Shawn
I had my demo experience with the Bryston Mini T's yesterday with the great crew at Whitby Audio. Mark was very, very helpful, patient, accommodating, knowledgeable, and has real passion for service and hi fidelity audio! Thank you James for the direction on that! The mini T demo had me excited all day - got my way through the Auto show in a couple hours and back on the road to Whitby Audio i went - great way to wrap up the week! Without any hesitation i can say with my own experience, and about 90 minutes of listening, the Mini t's performed beautifully and with such smooth range. I played a number of pieces ( Demo material available resembled my own audio collection lol ), Kate Bush - Metallica, Vangelis, Roger Whitaker, Cult, beastie boys, Enya, Iron maiden, Bowie, Moby, Max webster, Donna Summer, Joy Division, Madonna, Buddy Rich etc etc etc -- a real mix of music and vocals and the Mini T's performed it all so right! Vocals, percussion (i love percussion), piano, guitar in every intensity, rapid drum/snare, anthem like synths, high reaching vocals and vocal without instrument etc. The sound presented was pure, crisp, and toe tapping! The highs, mids and lows were represented fully - to a scale i had not heard at all from a standmount and at this price point and higher. The bass performance was powerful, fast, tight, and very very capable, VERY capable - wow. No noise from the speakers -- just the truth - the music, the instruments and vocals as they were meant to be.
You and the Bryston team have made best in class gear for a long, long time, and have added speakers to the mix in a huge way! Well done on all levels! The finish, feel, robustness, weight and cabinet density / strength really reflect on your firm's attention to detail. I am a well-studied and researched consumer – don’t buy junk - pay more for better and better service, and buy it for a lifetime sort of investment person. The Mini T's are on my investment list and real fast! I thoroughly enjoyed how they played and how they made me feel.

Bryston Model T mini - Lorne
Got to hear your Bryston mini t's today at my dealer. I only listened to them for about an hour. They are great and gets you into high end for a good price.
I am going back next week for a better listen. It would be nice to hear them with your stands. The dealer had stands on them but I would like to see them with your stands. You know what their price typically gets you now? A narrow floor-stander with cheap drivers and pitiful attempt at trying to get clean un-distorted images. They use those narrow floor standers because its cheaper. Sure if they are done right you get pinpoint image but they are never really done right. The Bryston Mini t speakers are truly great, you ought to be proud.

Bryston Model T mini - Dave Holmes (Audio Emporium)
The Bryston mini t loudspeakers have just landed- very nice! The finish laminate is "perfect" even at edges. Bass is awesome- sound is nice and lively. I'm sure they'll do well!

Bryston Model T - Rick Ho (London Audio) 
Had to do it... Couldn't resist... I'm working really late tonight and had to unwind. The Model Ts are set up right up front in the shop by the counter. I downloaded Donna Summer from HD Tracks in 24/192. Disco is really meant to be played above 100db. These things are really really ALOT of fun.
Ps. the Goldberg Variations sounded great earlier today too but in the immortal words of Donna Summer: "when they're bad they're oh so bad"

Bryston Model T - Roger Newnham
My Model T Signature Loudspeakers with the external crossovers (non-active version) arrived last Friday and after setup I had them thoroughly warm through and let them play for a day before my serious listening on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.
Having heard the Model T loudspeakers with the built in crossovers at TAVES Toronto Audio Show and at Audio One in Concord I expected to be impressed. Actually, I was totally amazed at the performance of these speakers and I believe I now own what I consider to be full range loudspeakers without the hassles of placing subwoofers, not to mention the cost involved. Being a lover of pipe organ music I was very impressed with the Model T’s ability to handle the low notes realistically and fully believe that the – 3dB at 25Hz specification is being realized in my listening area or maybe even better than that.
The all important mid -range was a strong point of my (EDIT) but I found the Model T’s to give equally satisfactory performance and the female voice of Nora Jones (Come Away With Me, 24/192 HD Tracks download) and Margo Timmins (Trinity Sessions, Cowboy Junkies) so impressed me. The clarity and detail were excellent with imaging and soundstage comparable to my (EDIT) with the Model T’s in pretty well the same positions as for the (EDIT). I did notice the Model T’s seem to disappear better than the (EDIT) which may be due to the narrower profile of the T’s. Not surprisingly my Bryston 28B SST2 amps seemed like a match made in heaven driving these very efficient speakers giving awesome dynamics on symphonic music such as Mozart Symphonies 38-41 (Linn 24/88 download). Notwithstanding this, the low level late night listening is very satisfying without losing full frequency spectrum which can happen with many lesser speakers.
I have to say that the packaging of these speakers was most impressive. A nice touch was the black heavy cloth bag tied off by a string cord protecting the speakers and enabling their easy removal from the box. The speakers came with feet already mounted and a full set of spikes included in the packaging. The external crossovers were in good quality black cases clearly marked for all the inputs and outputs for a set of Bryston tri-wire cables (optional extra) or any other tri-wire cables. Crossovers are thoughtfully supplied with jumpers if tri-wire cables from the amps are not available.The fit and finish of the natural cherry wood veneered speakers was impeccable and more than comparable with speakers costing way more dollars. I’m sure Bryston will sell many pairs of these speakers and I certainly feel the long delivery was more than worth the wait.
Very impressive…..well done Bryston!

Bryston Model T - Ernie Fisher (Inner Ear) 
I had my first few hours of listening to Bryston's Mini Model T speakers — they are fabulous, and their price makes them an outright bargain...

Bryston Model T, 28B SST2 - Lorne
Spent some time today at Pulseworks Audio listening to the Model T’s - (You are lucky you have Pulsworks as a dealer too since the owner is an orchestra conductor and owner of a recording studio). It just suits the whole thing nicely. I was listening to the model Ts using a pair of 28s. I am particularly fond of this recording lately since it’s done so well and it's 24 bit and just cranks.
https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetail&valbum_code=HD016861770068This Megadeth is fast and loud and lots of good double bass drum whacks too. That 28/model T combo makes these recordings even better. It's fun as hell getting in front a system like this with these great recordings coming from these Oddball genres. Hey it's metal what do you expect? Anyways you built those speakers for 28s I just know it. And you said you built them for all kinds of amps...lol. Man it was powerful. Megadeths Never Dead is frickn amazing, with good double bass action and fast guitar. Very well recorded and gets better loud. The recording doesn’t fall apart and is very listenable cranked. Very good speakers here. At lower volumes there is lots of good air around the vocals. But as the volume goes up the guitars starts moving in and around the vocals and it's not over emphasized. This combo 28/model t combo are fun as hell. Man those Model T speakers can light up. I am going to post my impressions again on the bryston speaker site and try and get more people into hearing them. These speakers are fun as hell!

Bryston Model T - jbwhitlock (AV Solutions, Canada) 
The Model T are settling in nice......I have just under two hundred hours on them now and pretty much have finalized their placement in the room. Some brief impressions are they have fantastic low level details and not just at higher listening levels but at the low to moderate levels, you really get a great sense of "you feel it before you hear it"... if you know what I mean! Another strength I'm finding is how well they disappear in the room... sometimes I find a speaker of this size in a smallish room often has trouble being invisible or getting out of the way, not the Model T's... they do it to a T I also find them very well balanced from top to bottom, very open and loads of ambient detail but not out of place... listen to a recording in a concert hall and you get that big big sound, listen to a cut in that small smoky night club and you have the intimate sound as it should be... the Model T's reveal these differences without a glitch... this is where I'm at for now but will report back with more.

Bryston Model T - D Ellis
Just saw the Model T review by Inner ear Magazine - A well-earned first review! Ernie is spot on... I am happy he is aware (i.e. hears) of the differences in wire looms and continues to appreciate the goodness in the various amplifier designs and etc. Good Audio Man! Have you mated the T’s with the new B135 integrated in any of your listening rooms? If so, how does it compare to your other preamplifier/power rigs?
FYI - I continue to smile every time I play a different album and experience the lowest octave foundation in the recording(s). It seems to make the overall sound more "real" and engaging without the typical subwoofer effect you hear at the shows. It tends to increase the overall air of the recording to make the listening room appear larger and more live. I am continuing to play with the Ts directly on the carpet and the Stillpoints footers. No contest, of course, but I need to try the factory provided spikes and compare them with the Stillpoints footers. A local audio associate is coming by next week to take another listen and see what his take is on the Ts. Interestingly, he is getting back into audio since his last visit here a few weeks ago. He actually purchased a REGA turntable and is spinning his vinyl collection after a ten year hiatus from audio. His recent retirement is giving him more time to get back to his hobbies he dropped out of many moons ago. Sound familiar?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jun 2013, 11:20 am
Some pictures of the new Bryston Powered Mni Sub

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=81924)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=81925)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mav52 on 10 Jun 2013, 07:52 pm
Sadly yes a demo is a long shot from an established dealer. Most dealers want to sell what people are already predisposed too and breaking a new speaker is not something that interests them.

James

James do you have the info on which dealers in the South US has these speakers....
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jun 2013, 09:03 pm
James do you have the info on which dealers in the South US has these speakers....

Hi mav

We are talking to 2 new dealers now but not appointing anyone immediately.  We are allowing our current dealers to ship into the areas not covered by a Bryston speaker dealer so that is one option available if it helps.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mobileusa on 11 Jun 2013, 02:11 pm
I am a dealer located in the South. I am located in Mobile, AL if anyone would like to contact me to give a listen to the Bryston Mini Ts send a message me a pm or contact me at sales@engulfaudio.com...they are simply astounding!

The full sound, super wide sound stage, depth and clarity that you have to hear to believe. From Arman van Buuran, to Diana Krall, to ZZ Top, it handles any genre. Effortless, musical, eager to perform.

Now that you've heard my personal opinion, please contact me and I will gladly share what my ears have discovered. I'm sure you will agree once you hear them. I couldn't stop smiling. Oh, BTW, they look great too!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mobileusa on 11 Jun 2013, 02:30 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82013)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mav52 on 11 Jun 2013, 06:23 pm
I am a dealer located in the South. I am located in Mobile, AL if anyone would like to contact me to give a listen to the Bryston Mini Ts send a message me a pm or contact me at sales@engulfaudio.com...they are simply astounding!

The full sound, super wide sound stage, depth and clarity that you have to hear to believe. From Arman van Buuran, to Diana Krall, to ZZ Top, it handles any genre. Effortless, musical, eager to perform.

Now that you've heard my personal opinion, please contact me and I will gladly share what my ears have discovered. I'm sure you will agree once you hear them. I couldn't stop smiling. Oh, BTW, they look great too!

Thank you for the offer, but your a long way from Orlando and Kiawah Island SC.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jun 2013, 07:13 pm
The Model T is every bit as good (and then some) as you've read but the one that really gets my amps hot is the Middle T but I'll be damned if I can find a place with in a 100km to hear it.

The other two are so good I'm hoping the Middle T doesn't become an orphan.


Dave Herman
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mobileusa on 11 Jun 2013, 07:35 pm
Thank you for the offer, but your a long way from Orlando and Kiawah Island SC.

My son lives in Tampa so the next visit I will send you a pm and bring them.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mav52 on 11 Jun 2013, 08:44 pm
My son lives in Tampa so the next visit I will send you a pm and bring them.

Just give me some lead time as I'm currently at our home in SC.   
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mav52 on 11 Jun 2013, 08:46 pm
Hope to pick a pair up soon to compare to the 207/2 I bought from James.

Did you ever get your speakers and if so which dealer
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 11 Jun 2013, 08:53 pm
James,

Is there a dealer anywhere in the Philadelphia, Maryland, DC/Virginia, Dealaware, New Jersey area that carrys the Model T's for demo?  As my new K-05 breaks in it is creating an urgency to upgrade my speakers.  Here we go again, another case of audio ad infinitus, the financial crippler of young and old alike  :lol:.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jun 2013, 09:08 pm
James,

Is there a dealer anywhere in the Philadelphia, Maryland, DC/Virginia, Dealaware, New Jersey area that carrys the Model T's for demo?  As my new K-05 breaks in it is creating an urgency to upgrade my speakers.  Here we go again, another case of audio ad infinitus, the financial crippler of young and old alike  :lol:.

Wisconsin would be the closest for Model T.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 11 Jun 2013, 11:18 pm
Wisconsin would be the closest for Model T.

james

Wow, I could drive to Peterborough and back in the time it would take me to get to the southeastern border of Wisky.  Guess I could pick up a cheese head hat while I'm there  :lol:  There must be a method to your madness having dealers in AL and WS and non in the northeast.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jun 2013, 11:49 pm
Wow, I could drive to Peterborough and back in the time it would take me to get to the southeastern border of Wisky.  Guess I could pick up a cheese head hat while I'm there  :lol:  There must be a method to your madness having dealers in AL and WS and non in the northeast.

Hi

Not really a method - just that certain dealers approached me and wanted to be dealers. Other dealers did not.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 12 Jun 2013, 12:00 pm
James,

I considering getting a pair of Bryston Middle T speakers for my 11' x 13' living room.

Since these are rear ported, how much minimum room (in inches) should be left between the reqar of the speaker and the wall behind it?

 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jun 2013, 12:15 pm
James,

I considering getting a pair of Bryston Middle T speakers for my 11' x 13' living room.

Since these are rear ported, how much minimum room (in inches) should be left between the reqar of the speaker and the wall behind it?

Hi

Based on the testing we have done about 4 inches.

James

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 12 Jun 2013, 12:47 pm
Hi

Based on the testing we have done about 4 inches.

James

James,

What would be the maximum recommended distance from rear and side walls for Model T?

BTW, I was just pullin' your chain above.  I understand the difficulties that distribution and logistics present to a business  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jun 2013, 01:10 pm
James,

What would be the maximum recommended distance from rear and side walls for Model T?

BTW, I was just pullin' your chain above.  I understand the difficulties that distribution and logistics present to a business  :thumb:

Really good question :thumb: 

One of the main parameters in the design of the Bryston speakers was to have as wide and as smooth OFF AND ON AXIS frequency response as possible. The reason for that is when you get a reflection from a nearby surface as long as the reflection has a tonal balance similar to the direct on axis response it will add spaciousness and not affect the overall tonal balance in the room. If the response OFF axis is ragged it does not matter how accurate the direct on axis is the sound quality will suffer especially if placed close to a surface.  There has been a lot of research done on this and the LISTENING WINDOW and the SOUND POWER have a lot (in fact everything) to do with how a speaker will sound in a real room with normal surfaces and dimensions. 

Remember you are never listening to the direct sound specifically you are listening to the combination of the direct sound and the off axis sound striking all the surfaces in the room multiple times.

I just realized I'm rambling and did not answer your question :duh: - I would say a couple of feet from the back wall and at least 18 inches from the side wall will give you a good overall balance and soundstage presentation.

james



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 12 Jun 2013, 03:16 pm
Really good question :thumb: 

One of the main parameters in the design of the Bryston speakers was to have as wide and as smooth OFF AND ON AXIS frequency response as possible. The reason for that is when you get a reflection from a nearby surface as long as the reflection has a tonal balance similar to the direct on axis response it will add spaciousness and not affect the overall tonal balance in the room. If the response OFF axis is ragged it does not matter how accurate the direct on axis is the sound quality will suffer especially if placed close to a surface.  There has been a lot of research done on this and the LISTENING WINDOW and the SOUND POWER have a lot (in fact everything) to do with how a speaker will sound in a real room with normal surfaces and dimensions. 

Remember you are never listening to the directsound specifically you are listening to the combination of the direct sound and the off axis sound striking all the surfaces in the room multiple times.

I just realized I'm rambling and did not answer your question :duh: - I would say a couple of feet from the back wall and at least 18 inches from the side wall will give you a good overall balance and soundstage presentation.

james

Developing this further........the Audio Physic website has an excellent page on speaker placement in a room and they seem to favor firing from the long wall which would most often leave lots of empty space to the side walls.  They don't mention long wall by name but by recommending a 1:1.3 ratio between rear wall and side wall distances it would require the long wall in many rooms if you like your speakers 3-4 feet from the rear to optimize low frequency response.  I don't know if this approach is relative to the dispersion characteristics of the Audio Physic speakers or if it applies to all types of speakers.  I have used this approach for some time now with great results in my room (not Audio Physics).  All that being said,  I would be placing the Model T's 3.5' from the rear wall and 5.5' from the sides with 10' tweeter to tweeter (or I should say tweeters to tweeters  :D).  Your thoughts?

http://www.audiophysic.de/aufstellung/index_e.html

Thanks!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jun 2013, 03:24 pm
Developing this further........the Audio Physic website has an excellent page on speaker placement in a room and they seem to favor firing from the long wall which would most often leave lots of empty space to the side walls.  They don't mention long wall by name but by recommending a 1:1.3 ratio between rear wall and side wall distances it would require the long wall in many rooms if you like your speakers 3-4 feet from the rear to optimize low frequency response.  I don't know if this approach is relative to the dispersion characteristics of the Audio Physic speakers or if it applies to all types of speakers.  I have used this approach for some time now with great results in my room (not Audio Physics).  All that being said,  I would be placing the Model T's 3.5' from the rear wall and 5.5' from the sides with 10' tweeter to tweeter (or I should say tweeters to tweeters  :D).  Your thoughts?

http://www.audiophysic.de/aufstellung/index_e.html

Thanks!

Sounds like a great plan.  John Dunlavy was also a big advocate of using the long wall in your room as the speaker and listening wall.  I will see if I can find the white paper I did on it.  I use the long wall in my soundroom 3 with the Active Model T

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jun 2013, 03:37 pm
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Found it :thumb:

Not Another Room Setup Suggestion

Yes, yet another room set-up for optimizing your sound room for the best possible performance. This one suggests that you consider using the short dimension of your listening room rather than the more popular long dimension.

It must be stressed that the whole point of this and the other room set-ups I have mentioned is to try and reduce the room colorations from affecting your listening environment and distracting from the fidelity of the recording. Most people do not realize how critical this "room-speaker interface" really is in attaining quality sound. The listening room is the final component in any audio system.

One of the advantages obtained with this "long dimension" arrangement is that it allows you to place the loudspeakers fairly wide apart providing a more realistic soundstage size. (Most recordings are made with the listener at the apex of an equilateral triangle.) Also, with this technique the loudspeakers are still a long way from the side walls so the early side wall reflections are lengthened (a good thing) in time. A further advantage is the reduction of comb-filtering effects present in the room. Comb filtering is defined as two sound waves interfering, one delayed in time relative to the other. Putting the listening chair near a boundary assists in reducing the comb-filter effects at low frequencies. There are still comb-filtering effects going on when sitting close to the wall but they are generally above 4 thousand cycles (which is less bothersome) rather than between 80 and 500 cycles which occur if your seated out in the room.

When you place the loudspeakers make sure the distance from the rear wall is different than the distance from the side wall. Example: if your 2 feet from the back wall be about 3 feet from the side walls, if 3 feet from the back wall then 4 feet from the side wall, etc.This helps reduce the proximity effect of the two surfaces from affecting the speaker response at low frequencies.You can have as much as a 6dB rise at some frequencies if these distances are identical. and as much as a 9dB rise if a third sure (floor) is also within this same distance.

There is one final advantage of this type of set-up which is less obvious. As we move towards multichannel sound and the need to accommodate 5 loudspeakers equal distance from the listening position using the long dimension concept more easily accommodates the rear channels distance requirement.

Other factors to consider are: do not place any acoustic absorption materials, on the rear wall behind your head and sit as close as possible to the rear wall (6 inches to a foot). Spread the speakers at least as far apart as you are from them, (if your 9 feet away spread the speakers at least 9 feet apart) and angle them in so they are pointing directly at you. Place acoustic absorption material in the front corners of the room can also help.

So hey, give it a try and see if the results warrant a total flip-flop of all the furniture, pictures and rugs in your listening room.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 12 Jun 2013, 05:31 pm
Sounds like a great plan.  John Dunlavy was also a big advocate of using the long wall in your room as the speaker and listening wall.  I will see if I can find the white paper I did on it.  I use the long wall in my soundroom 3 with the Active Model T

james

Thanks James.  John was always one of my favorite speaker guys.  I wanted a pair of SC-IVa's in the worst way back in the day but couldn't overcome the WAF.  Glad to hear he was an advocate of the long wall and that the Model T's would work well in that scenario.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jun 2013, 11:05 am
Thanks James.  John was always one of my favorite speaker guys.  I wanted a pair of SC-IVa's in the worst way back in the day but couldn't overcome the WAF.  Glad to hear he was an advocate of the long wall and that the Model T's would work well in that scenario.

I owned a pair of the SCIVa's in the mid 90's they were superb.  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Diamond Dog on 13 Jun 2013, 11:44 am

Other factors to consider are: do not place any acoustic absorption materials, on the rear wall behind your head and sit as close as possible to the rear wall (6 inches to a foot). Spread the speakers at least as far apart as you are from them, (if your 9 feet away spread the speakers at least 9 feet apart) and angle them in so they are pointing directly at you. Place acoustic absorption material in the front corners of the room can also help.

james[/b]

I use the "long wall " set-up here to excellent effect with speakers eight feet apart, two feet out from the back wall and listening position eight feet out from the speakers. Using as much toe-in as was recommended above was detrimental to the soundstage in my case - I use some toe-in but not that much. I also mounted two bass traps on the wall with a eight inch space between them directly behind where my head would be as part of a room treatment strategy devised by Brian @ GIK. It was a big improvement compared to before. So many variables to consider but in my case, I'm really happy with the final outcome - so much so that I have reservations about changing anything at this stage. I'm sure that will wear off eventually... :wink:   

D.D.



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 13 Jun 2013, 04:00 pm
James

What do you think of using room treatments on stands as opposed to hanging on walls?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jun 2013, 04:12 pm
James

What do you think of using room treatments on stands as opposed to hanging on walls?

Do you mean diffusors, reflectors or absorbers?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 13 Jun 2013, 04:31 pm
Yes, but on stands thats effectively change the size of the room sonically. Picture a diffuser sitting on a stand near a speaker or placed perhaps behind the listener.  Should diffusers be used like this or should they hang on the wall only?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jun 2013, 04:46 pm
Yes, but on stands thats effectively change the size of the room sonically. Picture a diffuser sitting on a stand near a speaker or placed perhaps behind the listener.  Should diffusers be used like this or should they hang on the wall only?

Gee I do not know - I know in the case of bass absorbtion the closer and tighter they are to the corners the better.  With diffusion I guess it would not matter much if it was on the wall or adjacent to it ???

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jun 2013, 05:39 pm
To: Jamestanner@bryston.ca
Subject: Bryston Mini T speakers


Hi James
 
Ashley of Smith’s Audio in Lethbridge thought you would appreciate my impressions of my recently purchased Bryston Mini T speaker.

The Mini T has lots of bass. It should be a big hit with young buyers and as well with geezers like me.  In general terms I think the Mini T sounds good and so does my wife who has described it as smooth and beautiful sounding. It sounds good to me too. It has a room filling sound that does a good job of mimicking a live performance in a good way. They really rock at higher than usual volumes. Tom Petty and ZZ Top. Wow! Classical music never sounds strained either.  Vivaldi! Smooth as silk!  I’m glad I made the purchase.   
 
In terms of appearance the Mini T’s looks great with the rosewood finish. The covers are the best I’ve ever had for convenience of removing and replacing.
 
You should know that Smith’s audio is a classy audio dealer.  Selling Bryston products through them is an asset to Bryston.   
 
I appreciate your “ listening “ to me.  I’m a Bryston fan and use a BCD-1, BDA-1 DAC and  BP100 Amp to drive my Mini T’s.  It’s a great combination.
 
Happy listening,
 
Tony Collins
Cranbrook, BC
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 14 Jun 2013, 05:57 pm
James,

Is the Bryston B135-SST2 integrated amplifier powerful enough to efficiently drive the Bryston Middle T speakers in a 13' x 15' room?



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Jun 2013, 06:21 pm
James,

Is the Bryston B135-SST2 integrated amplifier powerful enough to efficiently drive the Bryston Middle T speakers in a 13' x 15' room?

Yes absolutely no issue  - I have 2 customers now using the B135 with the large Model T's  :thumb:

james
 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Jun 2013, 06:29 pm
Nice feedback from a potential Model T owner: :thumb:

From: Carlos
Sent: June-14
To: sales@bryston.com
Subject: Model T Speakers
 
I am interested on the Bryston Model T speakers and I would like to ask you what is the MSRP for them?

I see in several webpages it is $6,500 USD, but the current quote I have is for $7,000 USD.

Thanks


Hi  Carlos   
 
They come in 2 versions.  The Model T with built in crossover and the Model T Signature with an external crossover.
 
The Model T is $6495 US a pair and the Model T Signature is $7495 US a pair in vinyl.  Wood is $1000 extra for the pair.
 
Do you have a PDF of the literature?
 
James
 

From: Carlos
Subject: RE: Model T Speakers

James,

I appreciate the info.  I downloaded the PDF from your website.

I am heading down to the dealer now,  Audio Emporium, Milwaukee. I want to get these speakers ASAP.

I auditioned these speakers and they are just wonderful. They are fantastic, I was about to pull the trigger on a pair of pre owned 802 from B&W, but the T 's are fantastic


Regards.
Carlos
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 15 Jun 2013, 11:19 am
James,

For the Bryston Middle T speakers, is there any benefits to either a bi-amp or bi-wire set-up?  If so, what would be the benefits and which is better?

Also, for driving the Middle T speakers, I'm looking at either a Bryston 4B-SST2 amp or maybe (if budget permits) a pair of Bryston 7B-SST2 amps.  I realise that the 7B-SST2 set-up is overkill for the Middle T speakers and my room is only 11' x 13'.  But would there be any benefits in going with a more powerful amp than is required?  Also, I only have one (1) 15A circuit in my listening room.  Would there be an issue with plugging in two Bryston 7B-SST2 amps to a high-end powerbar (along with the source components) via this single 15A circuit?

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Jun 2013, 12:00 pm
James,

For the Bryston Middle T speakers, is there any benefits to either a bi-amp or bi-wire set-up?  If so, what would be the benefits and which is better?

Also, for driving the Middle T speakers, I'm looking at either a Bryston 4B-SST2 amp or maybe (if budget permits) a pair of Bryston 7B-SST2 amps.  I realise that the 7B-SST2 set-up is overkill for the Middle T speakers and my room is only 11' x 13'.  But would there be any benefits in going with a more powerful amp than is required?  Also, I only have one (1) 15A circuit in my listening room.  Would there be an issue with plugging in two Bryston 7B-SST2 amps to a high-end powerbar (along with the source components) via this single 15A circuit?

Hi Sam

The 7B's would be fine on the Middle T's = more power is a much better option than too little power but the 4B would certainly be enough power as well given your room. The advantage of the 7B's would be the ability to place each amp close to each speaker and use short speaker leads and also the flexibility of moving forward if you change your room or the speakers.

As for the biwire or biamp there are differing opinions on this but the theory goes that with biwiring when an amplifier drives a load there is a EMF (electro motive force) signal created by the fact that a woofer for instance is a motor and this force affects the amplifiers output stage in a negative way.  So the distortion created by this force can get to the midrange and tweeter because they are in series with one another through the crossover.

So when you biwire you do not allow this EMF force to affect the mid/tweeter because they are separated by two sets of speaker cables and the low output impedance of the amplifiers output stage will not allow the two sets of cables to interact. 

Passive Biamping takes this one step further by replacing the one single amplifier with a second amp to drive just the mid/tweeters. Some people like this because they can choose which amp they want on which set of drivers. So if you like tubes on the tweeter and solid state on the woofer it works great.  Remember though that you are still going through the passive crossover in the speaker so the "GAIN" of the two amplifiers must be identical.  All Bryston amplifiers regardless of power output have the same gain.

Hope this helps.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Jun 2013, 12:10 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82195)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 15 Jun 2013, 01:38 pm
Hi Sam

The 7B's would be fine on the Middle T's = more power is a much better option than too little power but the 4B would certainly be enough power as well given your room. The advantage of the 7B's would be the ability to place each amp close to each speaker and use short speaker leads and also the flexibility of moving forward if you change your room or the speakers.

As for the biwire or biamp there are differing opinions on this but the theory goes that with biwiring when an amplifier drives a load there is a EMF (electro motive force) signal created by the fact that a woofer for instance is a motor and this force affects the amplifiers output stage in a negative way.  So the distortion created by this force can get to the midrange and tweeter because they are in series with one another through the crossover.

So when you biwire you do not allow this EMF force to affect the mid/tweeter because they are separated by two sets of speaker cables and the low output impedance of the amplifiers output stage will not allow the two sets of cables to interact. 

Passive Biamping takes this one step further by replacing the one single amplifier with a second amp to drive just the mid/tweeters. Some people like this because they can choose which amp they want on which set of drivers. So if you like tubes on the tweeter and solid state on the woofer it workers great.  Remember though that you are still going through the passive crossover in the speaker so the "GAIN" of the two amplifiers must be identical.  All Bryston amplifiers regardless of power output have the same gain.

Hope this helps.

james


Thanks James!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gil99 on 16 Jun 2013, 01:13 pm
Hi all,

After listening to the Model T at the SSI this spring and afterwards at my dealer, I decided to pull the trigger and place my order this week for a pair of the Model T signature in rosewood.  Will have now an all Bryston system, will give you an appreciation once I received them.

Gil 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jun 2013, 01:30 pm
Hi all,

After listening to the Model T at the SSI this spring and afterwards at my dealer, I decided to pull the trigger and place my order this week for a pair of the Model T signature in rosewood.  Will have now an all Bryston system, will give you an appreciation once I received them.

Gil

Hi Gil

Looking forward to your feedback  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jun 2013, 03:57 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers                                             
SUBJECT: Bryston Speakers


Hi Folks,

We have added all the current Bryston speaker models to the Bryston Home Page.

Available through the dropdown menu under SPEAKERS.

www.bryston.com

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82236)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 19 Jun 2013, 10:57 am
Would the Bryston Model T passive speakers work well in a 11' x 13' room powered by a Bryston 4B-SST2 amp or would it be better to use the Bryston Middle T speakers?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jun 2013, 11:31 am
Would the Bryston Model T passive speakers work well in a 11' x 13' room powered by a Bryston 4B-SST2 amp or would it be better to use the Bryston Middle T speakers?

Hi Samurai

It is never easy to 'guarantee'  how a specific speaker will sound in a specific room but one of the main advantages of speakers like the Brystons,  where you have excellent on and off axis flat response (excellent sound power),  generally you can place larger speakers in a small room and not have the overload and tonal balance abnomalities that would occur in other kinds of speakers. 

This is one of my rooms 14 1/2 feet x 11 1/2 feet -  (upstairs bedroom - kids have left the roost) - and I have used all the Bryston models in this room - currently Model T Active. 

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82396)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gdayton on 19 Jun 2013, 02:44 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82195)

james

Hi All, just a quick note to say hello to all and thanks to James for allowing me to join the Bryston family.  I've been a big Bryston fan for many years. Having worked with Bryston for years at trade shows and elsewhere I'm pretty familiar with the gear. I'm no JT, but if I can ever help or answer questions, feel free to ask!

-Gary
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jun 2013, 07:34 pm
Hi Folks,

One of our best dealers... Whitby Audio installed a full Bryston surround speaker system and I thought the installation ingenuity of a pair of the mini t’s as the back speakers due to no floor space looks terrific! – see picture.

The speaker system consisted of a pair of Model T Active for the front left and right speakers, Model T Center for the center, Model T Passive for side channels and of course the mini t’s for back channels.

James


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82408)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jun 2013, 03:32 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers                                                                                     June 2013                                   
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Customer Feedback


Hi Folks – nice comments from a Bryston Model T customer responding to a question on a speaker forum.


“Hey Zissou,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in your thread at AH you claimed to have owned these in the past: Wilson Audio Sophia 1 , Wilson Audio Watt Puppy 7, Revel Salon,  Revel Salon2.  You also alluded to owning others like the Linkwitz Orion, KEF 207/2-- or at least spending time with them.  Impressive.   The Revel Salon2 speakers are regarded as some of the best speakers in the world by many...... especially for accuracy and neutrality.

Here are my questions for you; in your opinion, do the Bryston Model T's outperform the "best speaker in the world" or is it based on value for dollar you make the "revelation" statement?”


“Hi,

Yes I have owned those as well as the Magnepan MG20.1. Firstly there is no "best speaker in the world" by their very design they are imperfect devices and every design
is a series of trade offs and strengths that culminate in the final product. The Brystons have a set of strengths that I have not heard in any other full range, multispeaker system.

I certainly have not heard the best speaker in the world and truly doubt I ever will, that is if there is one it could change tomorrow. The Bryston Model T’s  more than competes with anything I have owned,  if they didn't they would have been sold off and I would have moved on.  Their coherence and sound-staging abilities differentiate them from the other speakers I have owned whilst retaining their strengths.

This makes them a revelation and their price point and makes this level of performance more accessible to more people. This in and of itself makes these a game changer.

Zissou”

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 20 Jun 2013, 06:56 pm
James,

For the Bryson Middle T speakers, what's the retail additonal cost for the Hardwood Veneer finish?

What colors are being offered for the Hardwood Veneer finish?

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jun 2013, 07:08 pm
James,

For the Bryson Middle T speakers, what's the retail additonal cost for the Hardwood Veneer finish?

What colors are being offered for the Hardwood Veneer finish?

HI

In Canada the real wood finish is an extra $800 the pair in Natural Cherry, Boston Cherry or Black Ash. 

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82464)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jun 2013, 01:23 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers                                                                                     June 2013                                   
SUBJECT: Bryston Speaker Surround System


Hi Folks,

Another Recently Installed Super sounding Bryston System.
 
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82513)

System includes:  Bryston Model T.s  front left and right with Bryston Model T Center up front.   Surrounds are Model T’s and rears are mini t’s.  Two  Bryston 6BSST2 amplifiers,  Bryston BDP-1 Digital Player and Bryston BDA-1 DAC.

Video is  80"sharp for regular TV watching and above is a motorized 165" 2.35:1 Stewart film screen for a theatre experience.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Jun 2013, 12:40 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers                                                                                                                     
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Customer Feedback


From: Carlos Villa
Sent: Monday, June 24
Subject: RE: Model T Speakers

James,

I have not been able to spend as much time as I wish with the new model T speakers, but on my first impressions I could tell you that they are amazing!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82626)

The level of detail these speakers brought to my system is unbelievable, I was listening to Diana Krall DVD "Live from Paris" and it was fantastic to hear so many details I had never heard (I've owed that DVD for at least 7 years!). There is a track where she does a piano solo, and with these speakers my system was able to reproduce the "wood on wood" sound the piano keys when she strike the keys harder, like if I was sitting 10 feet from the piano!

Another great improvement was perceived in the turntable/vinyl area. The image is impressive, and it gave an air of fullness specially to instruments like Sax, trumpets,  and bass. The voice became so real to the point that it is hard to believe.

Overall the bass response is outstanding, so evenly distributed across all low frequencies.  I cannot wait until I get a real set of amplifiers (like the 7BSST's), I can only imagine the improvements these will bring in.

Thanks a lot for these great speakers!

Carlos.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jun 2013, 05:03 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82649)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jun 2013, 05:20 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers                                                                                     June 2013                                   
SUBJECT: Bryston Middle T – Dealer Feedback


Hi, James
         
Had some time over  the week end to give the Middle T's a listen , I must say  I am very impressed .

I started off with one of Taj Mahal’s early recordings , I've been listening to this recording for over 40 years now, though I had heard it all ,but  the Middle T,s managed to give  that old recording new life, even through the tape hiss, over done bass and cutting lathe rumble the music had a spooky sense of presence, even the bass was better controlled with out compromising of depth .

On Howling wolf,s London sessions I could swear I heard one of the musician,s cursing in the background. I love the fact that these speakers maintain a sense of presents without being harsh , switching to my reference speakers my wife immediately complained that the sound was edgy. Listening to nine inch nails "Hurt" was a ball, the combination of big bass and dynamics is diaper filling fun. Listening to the Johnny Cash version of that song you  could hear every glass of whiskey he drank and every cigarette  he smoked.
 
If you have been starving for dynamic slam with no pain these are the speakers for you. Oh and C.Saint Saens "Le carneval des Animaux "was mesmerizing.

Well better get some work done cuz I see a new pair of speakers in my future.


Well done James.

Gary
Bryston Dealer
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jun 2013, 02:54 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers                                                                                     June 2013                                   
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Customer Review

To: Rich Jackson
Subject: Re: Model T Reaction

Rich,

Thank you for the audition of the Bryston Model T’s. I had so much fun listening to the new model Ts.

 
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82690)

Rich Jacksons Audio Room

My biggest reaction was simply that Bryston managed to deliver a product of this quality at such a low price point -- very impressive! In a largely mechanical device like a speaker or turntable, sometime a certain design just clicks, has a certain magic. That is clearly the case with the Model T. It's not a revolutionary design, but the performance for the money certainly is revolutionary.

In terms of their sound, I thought their sound-staging was outstanding: wide, tall and very deep and three dimensional. Another big impression was the quality of the bass; so tight and well defined. Overall a delightful and well-rounded speaker system.

Yay Bryston!


Jon
Sierra Nevada Audiophile Society
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 26 Jun 2013, 06:52 pm
James,

Would you have a picture of the rear of the Bryston Middle T speakers?  I'm interested in seeing the binding post arrangement.

Can these be bi-wired and would there be any sonic benefits in doing so using a Bryston 4B-SST2 power amp?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jun 2013, 07:58 pm
James,

Would you have a picture of the rear of the Bryston Middle T speakers?  I'm interested in seeing the binding post arrangement.

Can these be bi-wired and would there be any sonic benefits in doing so using a Bryston 4B-SST2 power amp?

They are right at the base of the speaker and they can be biwired.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82708)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 27 Jun 2013, 10:41 am
Thanks James!

By the way, what options (if any) are being offered on the Middle T in terms of feet/stands?

What is the Canadian pricing for these various options?


They are right at the base of the speaker and they can be biwired.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82708)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jun 2013, 10:47 am
Thanks James!

By the way, what options (if any) are being offered on the Middle T in terms of feet/stands?

What is the Canadian pricing for these various options?

The speakers come with flat furniture feet and spiked cones.  The option is a set of OUTRIGGERS - metal and they extend out from each corner.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82731)

Outriggers are $399 a pair.


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jun 2013, 11:14 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers                                                                                     
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Speaker - Dealer Feedback

June 2013                                   

Hi Folks,
From Legend A/V – Our Dealer in Cap Cod regarding Model T’s



Hi James


I played my new Bryston Model T's today for the first time.

What a game changer, they sound simply Amazing!

These speakers perform so far beyond their price point, it makes you think Bryston priced them wrong. 

Congrad's James on yet another Grand Slam for Bryston in the audio world! 

Ivan
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jun 2013, 03:34 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82749)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Jun 2013, 11:20 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers                                                                                 SUBJECT: Bryston mini t Model T Customer Feedback

To: James TannerSubject: mini t and Model T Signature

Hi James

I am currently auditioning a pair of Bryston Mini T’s and am very impressed so far.

The mini T’s have surprised me with the wide soundstage cast beyond their placement as well as the detailed mid’s/hi’s and very surprising detailed low end. They definitely punch above their weight.

One additional attribute is that my preference for analogue vinyl playback is reinforced by these speakers. Most of the digital music I play through the Bdp-1 are hi res (192khz/24-bit) FLAC files downloaded from HD Tracks. I was impressed immediately by the BDP-1/bda-1 combination when I acquired both pieces. I was getting underwhelmed by my current speakers when playing vinyl but the mini t’s presence has renewed my appreciation for analogue.

The mini t’s have succeeded in getting me very interested in the Model T Signatures – I’ll be requesting an audition very soon. I’ll be comparing Focal Scala’s, Wilson Sasha’s and the Model T’s. I’ve heard the Scala’s and Wilson Sophia’s. Given what I heard from the mini t’s I suspect the Model T’s will hold their own with this competition.

I’ll talk to Dennis Parsons at Hi Fi Installations in Vancouver about setting up an audition of the Model T Sig’s.

As an aside, he recommends the Mini T’s be renamed Mighty T’s given their weight and performance.

Andrew
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Jun 2013, 10:51 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers                                                      July 2013                                   
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Speaker - Dealer Feedback



Masterlu 
AA Founder,
Legend AV Owner

Bryson Model T update

I really must comment further on the Bryston Model T's

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82852)

We have all seen the positive reviews these speakers have been getting; in fact it's so much, you may start taking it with a grain of salt.

Let me tell you, I have been playing mine since early this morning. First, I have done no speaker setup whatsoever I just flanked my JBL’s with them. Second I still haven't put the Outrigger stands on them, which will further improve their sound even more.

Guys, I kid you not; these speakers "Must be Heard" to be believed. They just do everything right, the bottom end is crazy deep. The mids, and highs are terrific; but even more amazing is the sound stage these are throwing.

Now I know I'm driving these with all Accuphase gear, but these are simply amazing. I can easily put these up against speakers costing $15-$20k. Another fantastic plus is they have a remarkable small footprint, and are very WAF friendly. What are you waiting for; get out and audition a pair!

James... Truly Outstanding Work!

Ivan
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Jun 2013, 01:30 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers                                                                                     July 2013                                   
SUBJECT: Bryston MIDDLE T Customer Review


From: Mattias Biors
To: James Tanner
Subject: Bryston MIDDLE T review

Dear James,

Now I have had the Bryston MIDDLE T for almost a week and I would like to share my impressions so far.

My Hifi and music journey started many years ago. My first system was a Linn turntable, a Linn integrated amplifier and a pair of Linn standmount speakers. After that I have changed and tried many different kinds of electronic equipment for example, Pioneer, NAD, Vincent, Primare, Sony etc. Speaker brands ranging from Linn, Yamaha, Audiovector etc. Around 8 years ago I purchased a pair of XXXX (edit) speakers. XXXX was at that time a new brand for the Swedish market but they would eventually become my reference speaker brand. When I started reading about XXXX, the brand Bryston was also mentioned and I started to be curious. However the price level was at that time out of my grasp. 

Some years back however I started to have the possibility to upgrade my system and I began to upgrade my speakers to XXXX and then I find a good deal on a Bryston B100SST and I also purchased a Bryston BDA-1 and a Bryston BCD-1. I appreciated the exceptional quality and sound of the Bryston gear in combination with great service and responsiveness from you. I upgraded to XXXX and thought I had found the perfect stereo set-up. However I was still missing something when it came to the sound of voices and the bass response, especially when playing rock music. I am now playing music through Resonessence Labs Invicta together with Bryston 3BSST2 and a Heed Audio CD-transport.

I decided to take a chance and purchase a pair of the Bryston Middle T which would replace my XXXX. I had never listened to the Bryston Middle but after your advice I took the chance. I received them last week and was very excited and full of expectations when I hooked them up. First of all they look great in their Natural Cherry Wood veneer. But what would they sound like!?

My first impressions were that voices were now clearer and more natural, the bass was exactly what I had been craving for and the detail was still very good. One of my favorites is Toto and especially when Joseph Williams was their lead singer. I have heard Joseph Williams in concert twice and both times in smaller places (around 50-400 people) and I have been sitting about 10 meters from him so I kind of know what his voice should sound like. The Bryston Middle T have given me the best reproduction I have ever heard. With the XXXX I have always enjoyed acoustic music but rock has lacked something. Now with the Bryston Middle T I enjoy rock music the way it should sound like. It is a lot more engaging than the XXXX and the Bryston Middle T have a bass response to die for. Voices are also a lot clearer and so natural.

But then what about detail? First I thought that the Bryston Middle T was not revealing as much detail as the XXXX. But after listening for a while longer I realized that the Middle T are revealing as much as (or more) than the XXXX but the details are not that upfront or in-the-face as XXXX and they are not as harsh as the XXXX. I can now listen for longer periods of time. The Middle T can play all kinds of music and they are a lot more engaging and fun to listen to. To me they are a real bargain and I do not feel the need to hunt for better sound anymore. I will now sit back and listen to all great music I have in my collection as well as all the new music that regularly keeps coming in.

Thanks a lot for your great advice, your exceptional products and your outstanding service. Anyone looking for loudspeakers should consider the Bryston Middle T (or the other models you are offering). They will not be disappointed!

Best Regards,
Mattias Biörs
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 30 Jun 2013, 04:08 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers                                                      July 2013                                   
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Speaker - Dealer Feedback



Masterlu 
AA Founder,
Legend AV Owner

Bryson Model T update

I really must comment further on the Bryston Model T's

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82852)

.... What are you waiting for; get out and audition a pair!

James... Truly Outstanding Work!

Ivan


I'm dying to audition a pair but would have to renew my expired passport and drive 9 hours to Toronto to do so.  There are no dealers in the N.E. U.S.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 1 Jul 2013, 06:20 pm
...hey, Dyna - driving 9 hours is one thing. i would have to fly 9 hours to have the chance to listen to a pair of Bryston speakers :o

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 2 Jul 2013, 03:15 pm
...hey, Dyna - driving 9 hours is one thing. i would have to fly 9 hours to have the chance to listen to a pair of Bryston speakers :o

al.

Touche, Al.  Mom always used to say, "don't complain, there is always somebody somewhere who is worse off than you". :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jul 2013, 12:21 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers                                                                              SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Dealer Feedback

From: Michael
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: Bryston Model T

Hi James,

Report from the front:

The Bryston speakers have been very well received by all who hear and see them. 

I had two serious audiophiles in our Bryston demo room last Saturday.  Both were blown away by the Model T's expansive sound stage and amazing imaging. They kept tapping their toes and saying things like "Wow!" and "Great detail!".  One of them is considering replacing his current 25K speakers with the Model T.  They brought CDs to listen to but never got to them because they were having so much fun playing HD Tracks on the BDP-2. 

They also commented on the impressive build quality and relatively small footprint for a reference caliber speaker.  They have requested to come back when the Model T TOW comes in to experience a movie on a complete Bryston HT system!

I thoroughly enjoy demonstrating and selling Bryston products. Keep up the good work!

Mike Caso
System Design & Installation Specialist
Gasz Akustic
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: budcook on 8 Jul 2013, 10:35 pm
I've been planning ahead to the day I have to downsize my audio system.  Going from a BP-17/4BSST2 to a B135, etc.  One thing I couldn't decide about was what speakers to replace my Maggie 1.7's with.  Since I have an all Bryston system, I should have realized the obvious...Bryston Mini-T's.

Can someone tell me what they currently cost and the nearest dealer to Phoenix where I might listen to them?

Bud
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Jul 2013, 10:46 pm
I've been planning ahead to the day I have to downsize my audio system.  Going from a BP-17/4BSST2 to a B135, etc.  One thing I couldn't decide about was what speakers to replace my Maggie 1.7's with.  Since I have an all Bryston system, I should have realized the obvious...Bryston Mini-T's.

Can someone tell me what they currently cost and the nearest dealer to Phoenix where I might listen to them?

Bud

Hi Bud

The mini t's are $2695 the pair list.  We are speaking with a couple of dealers in LA area so should have some representative dealers there soon.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Jul 2013, 11:03 pm
Hi Folks,

New Model T advert:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=83302)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: budcook on 8 Jul 2013, 11:25 pm
Hi Bud

The mini t's are $2695 the pair list.  We are speaking with a couple of dealers in LA area so should have some representative dealers there soon.

james
Thanks James, I'm not planning on downsizing anytime soon but at my age, you never know:-).
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jul 2013, 05:05 pm
Hi Folks,

Just recieved a review this morning on the Bryston  "mini t'" speakers from Secrets of Home Theater Magazine - its a stunner :thumb: - should be live in a week or so.

Last line:

"  I really had to stretch to find a fault with the speakers. A refreshing change!

This is the first round of speakers for Bryston and given the excellent sound quality I would be surprised to hear it was their last."

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: budcook on 9 Jul 2013, 07:44 pm
Hi Bud

The mini t's are $2695 the pair list.  We are speaking with a couple of dealers in LA area so should have some representative dealers there soon.

james
Are the stands for Mini's an extra cost item? 

Bud
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jul 2013, 08:45 pm
Are the stands for Mini's an extra cost item? 

Bud

Hi Bud,

Yes they are $399 a pair.  Any quality stand between 18 and 24 inches can be used.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: budcook on 9 Jul 2013, 08:52 pm
Hi Bud,

Yes they are $399 a pair.  Any quality stand between 18 and 24 inches can be used.

james
Thanks James,

I just got a new BP-26/MPS-2.  I'm going to do a lot of A/B testing with my nearly new BP-17 to see if the BP-26 fan boys are telling me the truth.  I'll keep one of them.

Bud
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jul 2013, 09:10 pm
Thanks James,

I just got a new BP-26/MPS-2.  I'm going to do a lot of A/B testing with my nearly new BP-17 to see if the BP-26 fan boys are telling me the truth.  I'll keep one of them.

Bud

OK - will be interested in your comments regarding the differences.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jul 2013, 12:36 am
Hi Folks

Finally got my matching Model T Subs to go with my Model T's


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=83383)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jul 2013, 01:07 am
Close up

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=83386)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 11 Jul 2013, 02:33 am
lookin real nice James,wish AudioArk would bring a pair of subs  in so I could check them out.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jul 2013, 03:01 am
lookin real nice James,wish AudioArk would bring a pair of subs  in so I could check them out.

They have the Model T's and the mini t's now.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bobNL on 11 Jul 2013, 10:39 am
Hi Folks

Finally got my matching Model T Subs to go with my Model T's


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=83383)

Hi James,

Does your couch come with seatbelts ?


 :drums: :drums: :drums: :drums: :drums: :drums: :drums:

Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jul 2013, 10:52 am
Hi James,

Does your couch come with seatbelts ?


 :drums: :drums: :drums: :drums: :drums: :drums: :drums:

Cheers,
Bob

LOL  :lol:

I must say Bob I was watching a movie last night (Red Hill) and when the protagonist fired the shotgun I definitely flinched. I am really happy though at how well the Model T speakers handle power with no dynamic compression.  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jul 2013, 11:53 am
07-10-2013, 04:43 PM

"Hi James

I have owned the Model T’s now for a couple of months and have this comment:

These speakers continue to amaze this very jaded audiophile. If these DON'T turn the industry around there's NO hope for the high end left.

These are destined to be benchmarks for years to come!"

Nick

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 11 Jul 2013, 06:34 pm
Hi Folks

Finally got my matching Model T Subs to go with my Model T's


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=83383)

James,

would you recommend this setup to anyone who has the same room size like you? from what i see i'd say that it is almost a speaker-overkill???

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jul 2013, 06:39 pm
Hi al,

It would depend on the soundpressure level and distortion levels you want.  I use my rooms to demo to distributors and dealers so I tend to put in all the gear we build.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: klao on 17 Jul 2013, 06:37 pm
Hello James,

How much power does a unit of Model T Subwoofer consumes, normally & at peak?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Jul 2013, 07:26 pm
Hello James,

How much power does a unit of Model T Subwoofer consumes, normally & at peak?

Thanks.

Hi Klao

The idle power consumption for one mini and Model T sub is 30W.
Max continuous power draw from the wall is 725W (6.3A) at 115Vac.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jul 2013, 11:26 am

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=83677)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 18 Jul 2013, 11:42 am
WOW,20 year warranty,now that BRYSTON :thumb:,
James I assuming model T subs also,thx.

Had to reread as I am up a tad early :lol:.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jul 2013, 11:46 am
WOW,20 year warranty,now that BRYSTON :thumb:,
James I assuming model T subs also,thx.

Had to reread as I am up a tad early :lol:.

Yes Subs included.  It's a "real" amp in there :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 18 Jul 2013, 12:07 pm
Very temping,my 28s are back at Audio Ark,going to have to go audition both .
Been thru some top US subs and their warranty is crap especially if you dish out 4-5000 for a sub.
Have had two from two different companies where the amp crapped out within 6 months(new)and the others were used(1 yr).
 Thiel(10yr) and Bryston(20yr) have the best warranty around,SHUT THE FRONT DOOR :duh:....it's early.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jul 2013, 12:13 pm
Very temping,my 28s are back at Audio Ark,going to have to go audition both .
Been thru some top US subs and their warranty is crap especially if you dish out 4-5000 for a sub.
Have had two from two different companies where the amp crapped out within 6 months(new)and the others were used(1 yr).
 Thiel(10yr) and Bryston(20yr) have the best warranty around,SHUT THE FRONT DOOR :duh:....it's early.

Hi Don

Yes please have a listen to the mini t's while you are there - interested in your feedback.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 18 Jul 2013, 12:37 pm
Hi James,can't do that............. as I'll be auditioning them all :lol:.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Phil A on 18 Jul 2013, 12:58 pm
The big sub looks really great
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 18 Jul 2013, 02:18 pm
Hi James,

Any update on a dealer in the PA, MD, DC, DE, VA, NJ, NY area?  NO would not be a good answer  :lol:

Bill
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jul 2013, 02:25 pm
Hi James,

Any update on a dealer in the PA, MD, DC, DE, VA, NJ, NY area?  NO would not be a good answer  :lol:

Bill

Have a new LA dealer but thats it so far.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jul 2013, 04:09 pm
Hi Folks,

Another stellar review on the Bryston mini t speaker from Secrets of Home Theater and Hi-Fi Magazine.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/bookshelf-speakers/bookshelf-speakers/bryston-mini-t-loudspeakers.html

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: So There on 18 Jul 2013, 06:51 pm
Congratulations on another fine review, James.

(I thought the mini-T's were your grandkids.)

Cheerio,

Rich
_______________
Gruntled Napa Valley
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jul 2013, 07:36 pm
Even Low Powered Tubes Sound Great on the Bryston Mini T Speakers

A High Performance Music System For Under $10K.
Featuring the Simply Italy Integrated Amplifier with the Bryston Mini T Loudspeakers

http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/systems/Simply_Italy-Bryston.shtml

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jul 2013, 03:52 pm
James

Just found out that Bryston is giving these speakers the same 20yr warranty you give to their analog products. That is unmatched (as far as I know) in the loudspeaker industry.

It's policies like this that make me love Bryston more and more every day. You build them right and you support them as well.

Continued success!

Mike Chasz
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 20 Jul 2013, 01:24 am
Had a sneak peek at the Model T's with the ext passive X-over,very nice looking speakers James.
Didn't have a chance for an audition as they were a bit busy and had to get back for work(Of course had time to pick up my 28's :thumb:)..
I'm going to PH ahead so I can sit and listen to the T's for awhile.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jul 2013, 11:03 am
Had a sneak peek at the Model T's with the ext passive X-over,very nice looking speakers James.
Didn't have a chance for an audition as they were a bit busy and had to get back for work(Of course had time to pick up my 28's :thumb:)..
I'm going to PH ahead so I can sit and listen to the T's for awhile.

Sorry you did not get to hear them I was looking forward to your assessment !

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 20 Jul 2013, 12:40 pm
James I am also.
My BDP-2 should be in pretty quick so I'll be making an appointment with Andrew  to  audition  the T's.
I was in and out too quick and just like the BCD-1 one I held one of their room up for a couple of hours(which was well worth the hold up).
We don't like  to be rushed :nono:.
James I heard a rumour you might be coming out this way for an evening :thumb:.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jul 2013, 12:49 pm
James I am also.
My BDP-2 should be in pretty quick so I'll be making an appointment with Andrew  to  audition  the T's.
I was in and out too quick and just like the BCD-1 one I held one of their room up for a couple of hours(which was well worth the hold up).
We don't like  to be rushed :nono:.
James I heard a rumour you might be coming out this way for an evening :thumb:.


Yes Telus is putting in 10 new training centers throughout Canada and have chosen the Bryston 5.1 surround system (SP3 and 9B's) as well Model T' Speakers. Center Channel,  Subwoofer and On-Walls as their system of choice for these centers.  Edmonton is getting the first install so I have to be there for that and hoped I could have time to visit Audio Ark at the same time.   :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jul 2013, 04:24 pm
From: David L
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 11:34 AM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Mini T's

James,

So the Mini T's ran for the weekend non-stop.

I guess the best way to get this across is that they sound DYNAMIC and much bigger than their size would lead you to believe. The attack in Nile Lofgren "Keith Don't Go" The guitar attacks are crisp, clean yet not fatiguing.

Pretty amazing speakers, (Too bad that name was already taken).

Thank you
David

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jul 2013, 04:32 pm
From: Wayne D
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:16 PM
Subject: So Fnnnn Unhappy !

This is really not a good thing… MODEL T’s

I had a very short listening session this past Friday afternoon, in a less than ideal room, with a non-perfect system setup and in a very, very short amount of time , I was totally dismayed, unhappy, and became unhinged at how Fnnnn bad my personal system is, in comparison, and I have what many people would say is a top-shelf audiophile system !

If I had to use one adjective…just one, it was a ‘visceral’ experience.

Just as a warm up, not nearly for an audiophile recording evaluation, but just to hear music, I put in a DVD of Ben Harper, Live at the Hollywood Bowl.  The kick drum almost knocked me out of the couch …and I don’t mean it was 10dB hotter than the mix, or somehow a dull, non musical note, I mean you could feel the skin of the instrument…hear the note and feel it.  I was intrigued, the hook was set, and I was curious if I would get reeled in.

Next up, DTS Demo disk 2006, Robots; Ok fun, but nothing to sway me either way…too much studio work for my taste. Peter Gabriel with Salsbury Hill was…WOW !, then Fantastic Four which when he landed on the bridge, was more than a thud, it was impact with a tone. The Transporter with the Surface to Surface missiles whistling through the air was eerie, in that it was so life like.  The explosions that
followed at about a 93dB level said to me that these speakers DID go down very smoothly to below 80 Hz.  Hmm, a dedicated subwoofer built in ?  Sure sounded & felt like it, and at a very high SPL! Back to music; Omar Hakim… The skin of the drums was taught, and realistic sounding…and not in your face, and the cymbal work was almost reserved in that is wasn’t piercing in any way, and you could discern the wood of the stick hitting the different points of the head.  Mighty impressive.

Next; The Eagles, Life in the fast lane…Wow, the line is getting shorter, no slack now, almost have me in the boat.  Seriously a fantastic reproducer of rock…Loud, deep, wide, and zero strain. An interesting change up, was a track from DTS Demo 7, that I have heard at least 25 times…Minority Report; All I can say is that when the first oversized plastic barrel hit the warehouse floor and bounced, it sounded EXACTLY like plastic does when it deforms! Behind Enemy lines, a great delineation test for woofers was no exception here…But what is so fnnn annoying is that these speakers held up to, and easily surpassed
my $16K reference towers in use now. ) *Argggughhh&!#%*&#)!!!!(*&*(+)(#!!!*

Fast & Furious was almost painful as we were in the 105dB range now & the vocals, the engines, the shotgun were all crystal clear.  Only so much you can take of these rice rockets. So I went to Buddy Rich Live, on Keep the Customer Satisfied, Groovin Hard.. SO MUSICAL, so CLEAN, so DEEP it was shocking, really…Shocking. A quick flip to the king of Bop…Horace Silver on the Hardbop , Grandpop and these speakers really showed they can handle Fast, articulate, serious music…accurately. Then went to a DTD HD track of Jeff Beck…and you really got a sense of the ability of the speakers.  I think I am being pulled over the edge! The DOORS, When You’re Strange, just sounded great, but when I switched to Classical to see if these really handle It all, I was floored…literally…with a movement that  covered all 7 octaves, I just couldn’t understand how the speaker had this kind of output.

Well it was a Friday night, and I had to head back to the City to hear a live gig, my Nephew had to go home, and the lucky owner of these new transducers was in heaven. Next up…connecting the D/AC!

SYSTEM in USE;

•   BRYSTON Model T Signature with External crossovers & Special Outriggers (rubber feet)
•   CHEAP Monster 14GA zip
•   Denon Pre/pro
•   Sony X-box (DVD/BLUE-RAY)
•   BRYSTON 7BSST (BRAND NEW, out of the box)
•   Straight Wire 3M pre to amps (RCA)
•   BRYSTON BDA-2 ..not connected
•   Q-NAP RAID array for video 80 TB
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Aug 2013, 12:25 am
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 12:22 PM
To: Brian W Russell
Subject: Model T

Hi Brian,
 
I've spent a lot of the weekend enjoying the new speakers as I've been working around the house.  I'd classify them as a refined kick ass rock n' roll speaker!  These were definitely made for me. 

I wanted a big slim tower, given my space requirements and these fit excellent.  Any bigger would be a bit much, but smaller would be insignificant.  I find with most slim tower designs these days you need an additional sub to compensate for lack of bass.  So for the most part you might as well use bookshelves with a sub which defeats the purpose of a tower in my opinion.  These remind me a lot of my PSB Synchrony one's, in that they share titanium tweeters, which I love, as they aren’t too bright or dull.  I had Paradigm S8's, but that beryllium tweeter almost made my ears bleed.  Some times very pleasantly revealing, but for the most part far too much so.  The Synchrony one's bass is outstanding for their size, and the mid range is very refined, but the speaker sounded somewhat strained at high volumes. Given the size of that speaker I think it's phenomenal, and yet I wanted more.  These are it...... bigger, more bass, and a bit more lively....very pleased! 

The packing job of these speakers was absolutely outstanding!  I was really struck by the care and thought that went into the packaging, and the cloth bag is a very nice touch indeed.  I'm currently running them with an Anthem 225, I know the speakers can handle a lot more power, so I want to bring them to life more so.  I'll be looking at some Bryston gear for that, but I know your high end stuff gets very pricey, but apparently well worth it. 

I can tell you've got a good crew with you, I was very impressed with the way my emails were answered and the care that was taken.  I can see how shipping direct can be a real pain for you.  The company really shouldn't have to go to the length it did for one transaction, but very much appreciate the fact you did!  Too bad I couldn't just walk into a store here and by some Bryston gear, that it 'd be better for you and me, but unfortunately Thunder Bay doesn't have a Bryston dealer.  Marc Hallam in Ottawa is always great to deal with, so If I have to buy outside of the city, I usually look him up.
 
Thank you Sir, for a wonderful transaction, and a great pair of speakers!
 
Jan (Thunder Bay)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Aug 2013, 04:31 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers                                                                                             
SUBJECT: Bryston mini t Review – ‘sneak peak’


August 2013

Hi Folks,

Excellent review on the Bryston mini t speaker coming soon in the September/October issue of the French Magazine Son & Image – below is a sneak peak of the conclusion:

“VERDICT – BRYSTON ‘Mini T’ Loudspeaker:

It is useless to try to describe the sound of these Bryston Mini T loudspeakers, as they are perfectly comfortable no matter what type of we music choose to listen too.

It is instructive though to examine our reactions to the music the Mini T deliver to us. Where do these speakers take us?  What do they tell us about the artists that we thought we knew well?  The music that we thought we understood?  The talents of the Mini T provide this level of performance. Call it musical clarity, insight, and good design. Regardless, if this is the fundamental nature of all the speakers in the Bryston Model T series. This bodes well for the rest of the Bryston speaker range.

The Mini T’s introduce you to another musical vision, a vision on a huge soundstage where the image perfectly plays its role in the transmission of the message and the musical emotion.

Congratulations to James Tanner for his vision of music and congratulations to Bryston to be believed.

A benchmark in its class, the Mini T is easily comparable to speakers worth two or even three times the asking price.

Jan-Erik Nordoen,
Son & Image Magazine

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Aug 2013, 10:42 am
Hi Folks,

Pic of the new 'Bryston TOW' ONWALL speaker mounted  :thumb:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=85037)

Has a magnetic grill as well - not shown.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 9 Aug 2013, 11:33 am
Hi Folks,

Pic of the new 'Bryston TOW' ONWALL speaker mounted  :thumb:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=85037)

Has a magnetic grill as well - not shown.

Very Nice!   :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bobNL on 9 Aug 2013, 12:36 pm
Nice!

This one seems to have one of each.
How does the sound compare to the freestanding models?

Cheers
Bob
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Aug 2013, 12:49 pm
Nice!

This one seems to have one of each.
How does the sound compare to the freestanding models?

Cheers
Bob

Hi Bob

Its a great question and one of the reasons it has taken so long to develop the onwalls and inwalls.  :scratch:

The main problem we found was that the Model T Series speakers are capable of tremendous dynamic range without compression and developing an onwall that would provide similar dynamic capability was more daunting than i originally thought.  We tried simple two way speakers and they could not keep up and also their dispersion was pitiful compared to the Model T's and Middle T' etc.

So we developed a new 3 inch midrange driver and decided to go with a true 3-way speaker  - this gave us the power handling and the dynamic output we needed to match the other Model T speakers.

One of the important issue when assembling a great surround audio system is making sure all the speakers (L.C.R.S.B.) all have very similar power handling and power response (dispersion) into the room.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 9 Aug 2013, 05:54 pm
Hi Folks,

Pic of the new 'Bryston TOW' ONWALL speaker mounted  :thumb:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=85037)

Has a magnetic grill as well - not shown.

Really nice. The grills would look good over the bass driver only.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Grit on 12 Aug 2013, 11:02 am
Very Nice!   :thumb:
Meets Wife Approval Factor !! From those of us who are married, THANKS! :D

Quick question about surround speakers: Some speaker manufacturers produce a bipole/dipole speaker for surrounds. I personally have NO idea, experience, or opinion on which is better/more effective. But since you went to all this work to make on-wall and in-wall speakers, could you offer some insight on what you found when designing surrounds for the Bryston Model T line?

- Garrett
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Aug 2013, 02:54 pm
ANNOUNCING THE BRYSTON 'NEW' MODEL A SERIES SPEAKERS  :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=85594)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 22 Aug 2013, 11:38 am
James,,,hard to read the above item..couldn't find the write up on your website.  Can you share a bit with us about the new model A pls?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Aug 2013, 12:35 pm
Hi

See if this is better or if not email me and I will send you PDF.

jamestanner@bryston.com

james

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=85618)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=85619)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JohnR on 22 Aug 2013, 12:41 pm
Hi, this might help

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=85594&size=huge)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=85618&size=huge)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=85619&size=huge)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Aug 2013, 12:42 pm
Thanks John  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JeffO on 28 Aug 2013, 05:09 pm
James,

Do the new model A's have the same mid and tweeter as the model T's with just a smaller woofer?

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Aug 2013, 05:30 pm
James,

Do the new model A's have the same mid and tweeter as the model T's with just a smaller woofer?

Hi Jeff,

Correct - I did not want the A's vs the T's to be a 'better/best' decision - I wanted it to be an application decision not a quality decision.  So the Model A-1  will not go as deep or play as loud as a Model T but in all other aspects it is the same quality/performance approach.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Aug 2013, 07:14 pm
From: David
Sent: August-28-13 1:08 PM
To: Chris Russell; James Tanner
Subject: Hearing Ghosts

Hi Chris and James: I simply had to send you another note on my ongoing use of the Model T.

Listening mostly to Internet radio (The Jazz Groove, 128 kbs), this struck me, once again, and more powerfully than ever. The difference between these speakers and any I have heard before is "presence." 

I'm listening to John Coltrane right now, and even with a degraded signal, I just can't help feeling he's in the room. I'm forced to look, to check - something like seeing, or this case hearing, a ghost, and I have to do a double take, to look up, and to quickly reestablish the line between reality and imagination.

The T, especially for me with so many of my favourite jazz artists now deceased, manages not simply to make recorded come alive, it has a way to raise the dead.

In short, the T is so good, it is downright scary.

Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Aug 2013, 04:54 pm
Hi Folks,

We have a larger version of the Model T Out-Riggers available. 

The current Out-Riggers work well on the Model T and the Middle T but some have expressed the need for a much more substantial version of Out-Rigger for the Model T

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=86039)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=86040)


James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Aug 2013, 02:21 pm
Here's a shot of the XL Outriggers on my Model T's at home.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=86138)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=86139)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=86140)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 3 Sep 2013, 04:08 pm
Hi James,

Great looking outriggers however what grabs my attention is that Harry James album in the bottom frame.  I think I have a copy of it.  Sheffield Labs, right?  I cleaned mine up and played it shorty after installing my new VPI Classic a couple years ago and it sounded stunning.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Sep 2013, 04:10 pm
Hi James,

Great looking outriggers however what grabs my attention is that Harry James album in the bottom frame.  I think I have a copy of it.  Sheffield Labs, right?  I cleaned mine up and played it shorty after installing my new VPI Classic a couple years ago and it sounded stunning.  :thumb:

Correct - Harry James on Sheffield - Direct to Disc :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Stedanko on 3 Sep 2013, 04:11 pm
GREAT sounding album!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 6 Sep 2013, 03:17 am
Correct - Harry James on Sheffield - Direct to Disc :thumb:

james

Those recordings were the cat's meow.  I also have Lincoln Mayorga and Colleagues Vol. 3 on Sheffield Direct to Disc.  In the interest of staying on topic James I have a homework assignment for you that I'm sure you won't mind completing.  If you haven't already done so give a critical listen to the Harry James album and give us a review on how the brilliant, dynamic big band sound of Harry James on Sheffield Labs Direct to Disc sounds coming out of those Model T's.

Happy listening  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: The Glass Prison on 8 Sep 2013, 08:37 pm
Hi Jeff,

Correct - I did not want the A's vs the T's to be a 'better/best' decision - I wanted it to be an application decision not a quality decision.  So the Model A-1  will not go as deep or play as loud as a Model T but in all other aspects it is the same quality/performance approach.

james

Do you have any specs on the Model A line?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Sep 2013, 09:03 pm
Do you have any specs on the Model A line?


Hi

Still in final development but other than slightly less bass response and less maximum output due to the 6.5 inch woofers rather than the 8 inch in the Model T versions they will be the same. I wanted the Model A's to be an application choice not a performance choice relative to the Model T's.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: The Glass Prison on 8 Sep 2013, 09:37 pm
I'm looking forward to auditioning to hear the differences between the two lines. It was great honour to discuss audio with you yesterday.
Thanks
Greg
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Ron D on 8 Sep 2013, 10:01 pm
James - any scheduled stops in AB?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Sep 2013, 11:34 pm
James - any scheduled stops in AB?

Trying for October in Edmonton.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Sep 2013, 05:13 pm
One of our Dealers showing Model T LCR Setup:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=86724)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=86726)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=86727)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=86728)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Grit on 10 Sep 2013, 05:19 am
Sure does look nice. Maybe time for a bigger TV though.  :wink:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Sep 2013, 01:45 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Speakers …. Customer Update

From: B67
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: Model T

“This is an update to my initial impressions of the Bryston Model T full range loudspeakers.

Now I listen to a LOT of music typically with my system I was averaging maybe 4 hours a day, being a daytrader I have this luxury. Now it's closer to 8 hours and a large portion has been looking for faults because there's no way a $6500 speaker can or should be this good. I've had $30,000 speakers where their shortcomings always revealed themselves to me within a week and sometimes a far shorter period of time than that.

The Brystons do not really do anything wrong now mind you they should for this price but I'll be damned if I can find it. What I can hear are things that no other speakers do.

At first I thought that perhaps they were not quite as transparent as some other speakers but with lots of listening I realized that everything that is on the recording IS there it's just that nothing is thrown in your face or stands out from any other region and that my friends is what live music sounds like. At an acoustic concert one does not comment on how incredible the mids are or how defined the highs are it's just an organic, holographic whole and this is how the Model T’s present music.

These are trend setters, benchmarks that future speakers will be compared to but the speakers being compared to the Brystons will be more expensive, much more expensive.”
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Sep 2013, 02:35 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Speaker Opinion


“This is NOT a Sales Pitch !

(Just a personal Observation that I want to share)

Not many people have had the opportunity to audition the BRYSTON speakers. I did, so as this is just my opinion, obviously, it is up to you if you want to or care to read this.  I’ll be very short;

Room: HORRIBLE!  Absolutely just about the worst acoustic situation you could find; Almost a corner load of one speaker, stairwell & door inches from the other, very wide opening at the back, side of the room.  No treatments.

Equipment: BRYSTON Mono-blocks 7B-SST2, BRYSTON BDA-2 DAC, a Denon receiver as the Pre, Audioquest cables, BRYSTON Model T Signature Speakers (custom walnut) *(the homeowner just purchased the BRYSTON SP-3, but didn’t install it yet).

Having owned most of the [must-have] speakers, I currently own B&W 802, GENELEC 8030, KEF sub, JAMES LOUDSPEAKER (various models), and while not actively playing anymore, as a former Alto player, and growing  up going to all types of live music events, I think my ears are [pretty good]!

The Model T Speakers without question have the best bass I think I have ever heard on a full range loudspeaker, reproducing deep bass accurately, not thudding or w/o musical tone, not distorted, and not bloated.  I just listed to “You Can’t Always Get What You Want”, and the hairs on my arms stood up!  The Mid-range was shockingly accurate and revealing.  When the drum is whacked, you can almost feel the skin on the drum head and the wood stick hitting it.  Like LIVE music!  The reproduction of the instruments was so accurate you could almost think you were there.

The drivers are demonstrating a properly crossed over matched set, but technical mumbo-jumbo aside…were just seamless & absolutely musical.  I listened to classical, lots of classical jazz, rock, and dare I admit, old-school rap. Nothing, but nothing we played seemed to ever cause a ruffle in the reproduction. I have heard some very impressive speakers over the past 20 years, with 2 that stood out within the past 5 or 6, but none, not a single one, seemed to accurately reproduce 7 octaves…until now.

The MODEL T is so underpriced…that if this was 2004, we would need to build a new factory just to keep up with demand.  A CULT model in its infancy!

Again, just my opinion!

Wayne”
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Sep 2013, 04:42 pm
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 10:57 AM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: THIS IS NOT A SALES PITCH

James,

Thank you for sharing other people’s opinions on the Model T's.

I could not agree more with these reviews. After having these speakers for over 2 months I am still amazed by how real they sound.

I can only imagine how you feel upon the success of the model T.

Congratulations.

Carlos.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gahabana on 15 Sep 2013, 05:31 pm
Finishes for Model T - where to see potential options ?
Hi, I'd like to order Model T's and was thinking about upgrading from standard veneer. Where could i see pictures of potential customer finishes (real wood) ?
I've seen on this forum Rosewood, some Zebra wood and someone wrote about Chestnut ... but would be really great to see what options one could choose from.

Thanks a lot in advance !!!

Gaha

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Sep 2013, 05:44 pm
Finishes for Model T - where to see potential options ?
Hi, I'd like to order Model T's and was thinking about upgrading from standard veneer. Where could i see pictures of potential customer finishes (real wood) ?
I've seen on this forum Rosewood, some Zebra wood and someone wrote about Chestnut ... but would be really great to see what options one could choose from.

Thanks a lot in advance !!!

Gaha

Hi

The standard wood finishes are Natural Cherry, Black Ash and Boston Cherry.

We can do a custom colour like Rosewood and Walnut as well or if you want a custom colour as a special order.

james


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=86954)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 16 Sep 2013, 11:50 pm
Talked to my dealer in Edmonton on Saturday about auditioning the T's.
He'll be back in a week from a holiday and then I can book a room with the T's and F-52's(which they have) as I have the 50a's at home here.
The 52's should be close to the 50a's so it should be a fun audition :thumb:.
Might be a set of T's comin home to a new home.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Sep 2013, 11:55 pm
Talked to my dealer in Edmonton on Saturday about auditioning the T's.
He'll be back in a week from a holiday and then I can book a room with the T's and F-52's(which they have) as I have the 50a's at home here.
The 52's should be close to the 50a's so it should be a fun audition :thumb:.
Might be a set of T's comin home to a new home.

Looking forward to your comments Don :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 17 Sep 2013, 03:48 pm
Hey James, just saw the T series full page ad inside the front cover of the October Stereophile.  Does this mean that we might be getting some dealers in the northeastern US?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Sep 2013, 04:01 pm
Hey James, just saw the T series full page ad inside the front cover of the October Stereophile.  Does this mean that we might be getting some dealers in the northeastern US?

Hi

Certainly plan to do that but we are selling all we can build at this point through the current dealers and distributors.  Every Model T is hand assembled and tested in our anechoic chamber so it is not a mass produced product.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Sep 2013, 07:10 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers                                                                                             
SUBJECT: Holland Audio Show

Hi James

Send you these photos we took on September 15th  2013.

Full Bryston ‘7.4’ Surround setup:

•   Bryston SP-3 Surround Processor
•   Model T’s (Front Left /Right)
•   Model T Center
•   4 Mini T’s Surrounds
•   4 Model T Active Subwoofers and
•   2 x Bryston 28B Mono Amps
•   3 x 4B Stereo Amps

We displayed at the X-fi show in Holland together with Sony and Cinemadreams (dealer) to show the First 4K Sony projector and demo the new Bryston  Model T speakers in surround setup. You see the amps we have been using on the pictures.

We had a full house for 2 days approx 1200-1500 visitors.

With Kind Regards

Coen
Mafico
Benelux

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 19 Sep 2013, 06:35 am
Gee, I certainly would like to have known about this show.... looking great. As a 28b owner am a prospect buyer of these Model T's and am looking forward to auditioning them finally. No announcement of this show has reached me unfortunately. Does this mean a pair of T's is within our borders to stay?
Would you know of any related future  events in Holland James?

Cheers, Marius

MEMO: To All Bryston Customers                                                                                             
SUBJECT: Holland Audio Show

Hi James

Send you these photos we took on September 15th  2013.

Full Bryston ‘7.4’ Surround setup:

•   Bryston SP-3 Surround Processor
•   Model T’s (Front Left /Right)
•   Model T Center
•   4 Mini T’s Surrounds
•   4 Model T Active Subwoofers and
•   2 x Bryston 28B Mono Amps
•   3 x 4B Stereo Amps

We displayed at the X-fi show in Holland together with Sony and Cinemadreams (dealer) to show the First 4K Sony projector and demo the new Bryston  Model T speakers in surround setup. You see the amps we have been using on the pictures.

We had a full house for 2 days approx 1200-1500 visitors.

With Kind Regards

Coen
Mafico
Benelux

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Sep 2013, 10:48 am
Gee, I certainly would like to have known about this show.... looking great. As a 28b owner am a prospect buyer of these Model T's and am looking forward to auditioning them finally. No announcement of this show has reached me unfortunately. Does this mean a pair of T's is within our borders to stay?
Would you know of any related future  events in Holland James?

Cheers, Marius

Hi Marius

Yes we sent Mafico a set of the mini t's and he was really, really impressed and ordered the rest of the Model T's for the show and he is now the distributor of the speakers in Holland.  I am not sure on any more shows though.

james

 

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 19 Sep 2013, 10:55 am
Great, will give Mafico a call soon then to arrange an audition.
Thanks!
Marius

Hi Marius

Yes we sent Mafico a set of the mini t's and he was really, really impressed and ordered the rest of the Model T's for the show and he is now the distributor of the speakers in Holland.  I am not sure on any more shows though.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Rod_S on 19 Sep 2013, 11:52 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers                                                                                             
SUBJECT: Holland Audio Show

Hi James

Send you these photos we took on September 15th  2013.

Full Bryston ‘7.4’ Surround setup:

•   Bryston SP-3 Surround Processor
•   Model T’s (Front Left /Right)
•   Model T Center
•   4 Mini T’s Surrounds
•   4 Model T Active Subwoofers and
•   2 x Bryston 28B Mono Amps
•   3 x 4B Stereo Amps

We displayed at the X-fi show in Holland together with Sony and Cinemadreams (dealer) to show the First 4K Sony projector and demo the new Bryston  Model T speakers in surround setup. You see the amps we have been using on the pictures.

We had a full house for 2 days approx 1200-1500 visitors.

With Kind Regards

Coen
Mafico
Benelux


Whoa, that's quit the Bryston setup. Are there any pictures from the event you can post? I would love to see the entire setup. What's the 3rd 4B being used for, bi-amping the mains perhaps?

Thanks,

Rod
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 19 Sep 2013, 11:35 pm
Hi

Certainly plan to do that but we are selling all we can build at this point through the current dealers and distributors.  Every Model T is hand assembled and tested in our anechoic chamber so it is not a mass produced product.

james

OK, you have pushed me one step closer to a road trip to Toronto, gotta get my passport renewed-my how times have changed.  I once had more trouble getting into California from Arizona than I ever had crossing the Canadian border  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bjski on 21 Sep 2013, 01:34 pm
James,
With all the buzz about the model T I'm considering a pair. I was thinking of putting them in my home theater. Would a 9BSST/2 have enough juice to make them sing or should a 4BSST/2 be the minimum. I have a pair of 7BSST/2 in my 2 channel dungeon system. I could always replace or move those speakers.

I live in New Jersey so the closest dealer Connecticut? If you need a dealer in New Jersey I would be happy to rep them. LOL!
Cheers,
BJ
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Sep 2013, 03:16 pm
James,
With all the buzz about the model T I'm considering a pair. I was thinking of putting them in my home theater. Would a 9BSST/2 have enough juice to make them sing or should a 4BSST/2 be the minimum. I have a pair of 7BSST/2 in my 2 channel dungeon system. I could always replace or move those speakers.

I live in New Jersey so the closest dealer Connecticut? If you need a dealer in New Jersey I would be happy to rep them. LOL!
Cheers,
BJ

Hi BJ

How large is the room?  My guess is a 4B would be the better option depending on room size.  I have a dealer in Cape Cod now.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bjski on 21 Sep 2013, 04:20 pm
Hi BJ

How large is the room?  My guess is a 4B would be the better option depending on room size.  I have a dealer in Cape Cod now.

james

Hi James,
Not sure of the dimension's but it has an open area going to the kitchen.  Just as I thought,4B.

Pretty sure I know who your new dealer is.

Don't want to blow smoke up your a..... but the Bryston Team has been on an amazing roll. Keep up the fantastic work! :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Sep 2013, 11:41 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Report From The Speaker Trenches – Bryston Model T

 

The Model T's have to be one of my favorite speakers!

They're by far the best speaker at there price point IMO. As for what types of music I listen to I really listen to everything. I've played everything from The Eagles, Bruno Mars, AC/DC, Guns n Roses, & I can go on. In regards to listening impressions, the speakers create a really dynamic soundstage. They can effortlessly reproduce any music you throw at them. I'm also using Krell as you can see from my signature. I'm very happy with the synergy between Krell and Bryston.

The Model T's really do have everything you could want from a speaker. They have the ability to produce amazing bass and general "loudness" without having to use high power amplifiers. The clarity and accuracy of the mid's and tweeters is phenomenal.

You will not find another speaker at this price point that can do what the Bryston Model T's do!

MasterLuJr 
Legend
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Sep 2013, 12:16 pm
Hi James,

Don't want to blow smoke up your a..... but the Bryston Team has been on an amazing roll. Keep up the fantastic work! :thumb:

Thanks bjski for the vote of confidence - I have always wanted to develop a reference loudspeaker at a real world price and this project has really expanded beyond my original idea of a single active reference loudspeaker for my personal use but so far people seem to like what they hear.  The other advantage is now we can predict the performance for our customers now right from the source through to the speaker. :thumb:

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2013, 12:09 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw7Dn65SmXI

Gary is our new Bryston support person - cause I'm getting old  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Oct 2013, 12:02 pm
Hi Folks,

Sneak peak of Absolute Sound Magazine review of the Bryston ‘mini t’ loudspeaker in the upcoming December issue  .  One of the main advantages of the Model T series speakers is their ability to provide flat frequency response into real listening rooms due to their excellent power response. I thought the below comment from the reviewer was apropos.

“James was certainly not surprised when I informed him that the Mini T’s produced the flattest frequency response (32Hz–10kHz +/- 2.7dB) I have yet observed in my listening room!”
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Oct 2013, 03:11 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Speaker – Customer Feedback

From: Daniel Lee
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 10:17 AM

“James

The Model T’s are just fantastic!

The sense of realism and presence they convey is uncanny. Kudos to you and your design team for building such a great speaker.

My wife (a pianist and professional French horn player) was equally impressed, and she’s quite discriminating in her musical tastes. “They’re so full and rich”, she said several times (and she should know full and rich having been a member of several orchestras across Canada). I’m impressed with the way they resolve cymbals – it really sounds like a wooden stick hitting a tempered metal disc. The “bite” of the reed on saxophones, and the initial pluck of guitar strings (both electric and acoustic) is also incredibly life-like. On drums, I get a real sense of a taught membrane being struck; the tone of the drumhead really comes through.

I haven’t given them a true run-through with piano, but so far they’re very faithful to the instrument (we have a baby grand, so I know what they sound like). I’ll let you know more of my impressions after further listening.

Once again, thanks for the awesome (there’s that word again) product”

Dan
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2013, 11:43 am
Hi Folks,

Sneak peak of Absolute Sound Magazine review of the Bryston ‘mini t’ loudspeaker in the upcoming December issue  .  One of the main advantages of the Model T series speakers is their ability to provide flat frequency response into real listening rooms due to their excellent power response. I thought the below comment from the reviewer was apropos.

“James was certainly not surprised when I informed him that the Mini T’s produced the flattest frequency response (32Hz–10kHz +/- 2.7dB) I have yet observed in my listening room!”


Hi Folks,

I have had time finally to completely read the above review on the Mini T from Absolute Sound Magazine in totality and I must say it is superb :thumb:  It really nails the concept we were trying to achieve in our speakers of flat in room frequency response, huge dynamic capability without dynamic compression and excellent sound power and expansive listening window.  I think Mini T owners will be very, very pleased with the reviewers thoughts and opinions.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TomS on 5 Oct 2013, 12:56 pm
Are the Model T's coming to RMAF 2013?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2013, 01:02 pm
Are the Model T's coming to RMAF 2013?

Hi Tom

Yes Craig and Gary from Bryston will be there with the Model T's and the Mini T's

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TomS on 5 Oct 2013, 01:18 pm
Great and thanks!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 5 Oct 2013, 01:22 pm
James,


I live in New Jersey so the closest dealer Connecticut? If you need a dealer in New Jersey I would be happy to rep them. LOL!
Cheers,
BJ

Those guys in CT  only have voice mails and never return calls..........
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Oct 2013, 12:32 pm
Hi Folks,

There are more reviews coming on the ‘Bryston Mini T speakers’ and I received this yesterday from a reviewer from a major magazine – me thinks he likes it !!!


Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 12:59 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: Bryston System

Hi James,
 
I am planning on having this published before Nov 1, will keep you updated as I progress. My intentions are to review the system as a whole (BP17 preamp - 28B-SST2 Mono Amps - Mini T speakers),
 
“Any advice on how to convince my wife and banker that we should re-mortage my house so I can keep this system?”
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Oct 2013, 07:52 pm
Mini T review

http://bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2013_10_Review_SonandImage_Mini_T.pdf

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: ichychau on 10 Oct 2013, 05:58 am
Alright, time to ask this embarrassing question  :D All this talk and reviews, are you guys talking about the Signature series with the external cross over or the passive model? :D

I finally sold my old system and finally looking to upgrade - All Bryston or....

Thanks,
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Oct 2013, 12:28 pm
Alright, time to ask this embarrassing question  :D All this talk and reviews, are you guys talking about the Signature series with the external cross over or the passive model? :D

I finally sold my old system and finally looking to upgrade - All Bryston or....

Thanks,

Hi

So far all the reviews have been on the internal crossover 'Passive Model T' series (not Signature) and the 'mini t bookshelf'.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Beatles on 10 Oct 2013, 12:31 pm
I have the passive Model T and LOVE them. Best value in high end audio in years.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: ichychau on 10 Oct 2013, 02:55 pm
Thanks James -

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 10 Oct 2013, 08:48 pm
I have zero to none chance of demoing speakers..do you have any mini T' that customers can demo in their home and then place and order to purchase if they want them?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Oct 2013, 09:23 pm
I have zero to none chance of demoing speakers..do you have any mini T' that customers can demo in their home and then place and order to purchase if they want them?

Hi Gene

I am sorry we do not but we have a dealer that may be able to help.  Where are you located?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 11 Oct 2013, 01:35 am
I am in Tarrytown, NY..10591..I called the local sellers but all I got was voice mails and no return calls
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Oct 2013, 01:56 am
I am in Tarrytown, NY..10591..I called the local sellers but all I got was voice mails and no return calls

Ok - give Dave a call at

Audio Emporium
8766 N. Deerwood Dr. Brown Deer, WI 53209
Ph: 414-354-5082
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: ichychau on 12 Oct 2013, 06:22 am
I just placed an order for a piano white gloss Model T. Next on the list, the BDP1 or 2.

James, could you tell me how much it will cost me to replace silver 7BSST2 to Black? Do I simply send it to Bryston and will shipping paid by me there and back?

Thanks,
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Oct 2013, 11:19 am
I just placed an order for a piano white gloss Model T. Next on the list, the BDP1 or 2.

James, could you tell me how much it will cost me to replace silver 7BSST2 to Black? Do I simply send it to Bryston and will shipping paid by me there and back?

Thanks,

Hi,

The faceplates are about $200 plus shipping I believe but email Mike at Bryston and he can assist you.  mpickett@bryston.com. 

By the way I think the White with Black drivers on the Model T should look superb!!! :thumb:

Where did you hear the Model T's?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: ichychau on 13 Oct 2013, 05:17 am
I saw the speakers on the Bryston's website. I didn't get hype and excitement like everyone else.  :duh:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Oct 2013, 11:51 am
I saw the speakers on the Bryston's website. I didn't get hype and excitement like everyone else.  :duh:

Well OK - I look forward to your assesment.  :thumb:

Which dealer did you order from and I will try and fast-track it for you.  I am going to build a second pair in Gloss White as well for demo purposes.  I think with the black drivers it should be an excellent look.  Still trying to decide on grill colour though as plain white does not work - I am thinking an off grey maybe or almond or black?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Grit on 14 Oct 2013, 01:37 am
White's nifty because you can use any color for contrast and have them match wherever you put them. Depending on the room setup, you could try several things. Perhaps a silver that matches the Bryston faceplates or a color that matches the storage system the electronics are on? Either way, please post a pick when you get it done!

I'm really excited for Bryston speakers to make their way to the west coast of the US so I can hear them. :)

- Garrett
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bmoura on 14 Oct 2013, 10:25 am
Hi Tom

Yes Craig and Gary from Bryston will be there with the Model T's and the Mini T's

james

Thanks for showing the Mini T's at RMAF.  Heard them in action and found them to be very smooth, accurate and honest. 
The value impressed as well.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Oct 2013, 11:12 am
Thanks for showing the Mini T's at RMAF.  Heard them in action and found them to be very smooth, accurate and honest. 
The value impressed as well.

Thanks for the feedback bmoura - I really wanted the Bryston speaker line to offer state of the art performance at very affordable levels.  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JRace on 14 Oct 2013, 04:02 pm
I saw the speakers on the Bryston's website. I didn't get hype and excitement like everyone else.  :duh:
seeing is not enough.
You must hear these.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Oct 2013, 04:19 pm
seeing is not enough.
You must hear these.

Hi JRace

Did you hear them at the RMAF show?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bmoura on 14 Oct 2013, 06:36 pm
Thanks for the feedback bmoura - I really wanted the Bryston speaker line to offer state of the art performance at very affordable levels.  :thumb:

james

You definitely succeeded. 

I was surprised after the demo when they told me the speakers were the Mini T's at that price.
With all of the cost is no object demos, very smart to show some products that are very high quality and yet affordable for many.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 15 Oct 2013, 01:10 pm
Ok - give Dave a call at

Audio Emporium
8766 N. Deerwood Dr. Brown Deer, WI 53209
Ph: 414-354-5082

contacted them..nice guy...they cannot provide a home audition either....hopefully some day I will get to hear them. I am using B&W 805 signatures right now and they sound terrific with the addition of the DAC-1 and the BP 20. I read an article where the MINI-t's were compared to the old Acoustic Research AR 3's..my first speakers and the bug was planted in my head. Loved those babies and had them for 20 years. Someone had a pair of AR 2's in their store this weekend at a street fair and they brought back such great memories. If you can ever convince the guys near me to answer their messages and set up an audition, I would love to check them out.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: ichychau on 16 Oct 2013, 05:37 am
seeing is not enough.
You must hear these.

Yup, auditioned them several times before I made the purchase - super glossy white James!!! Whats the ETA on them to the Vancouver Dealer?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Oct 2013, 10:25 am
Yup, auditioned them several times before I made the purchase - super glossy white James!!! Whats the ETA on them to the Vancouver Dealer?

Hi,

I would say about 2-3 weeks from order.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Oct 2013, 11:56 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Speakers  – Customer Feedback

From: Robert
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: Bryston Model T Speakers

“Hi James

I heard the Model T at HiFi Centre the other day. They had them running on a new 4B a 26B pre amp and a Linn cd player with a digital out to your BDA-2 DAC

Pure  Magic !!!

I plan to buy a new pair from that HiFi Center before the years end. What an amazing pair of speakers. I don't understand how a company that doesn't make speakers hits a home run like this on the first go around.

Were you involved in the design?”




Hi Robert

Yes I spent about 2 years trying different drivers and cabinets etc. and finally arrived at what you hear now.

I think I have owned every speaker there is to own over the many decades I have been doing this and I really knew what I wanted the speaker to have - huge dispersion and no dynamic compression at a state of the art level but at prices mere mortals could afford!.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Oct 2013, 03:23 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=88582)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: ellsworth on 19 Oct 2013, 02:16 am
I think the actual saying is, "The whole is greater than the sum of the parts" (as James says), which in my opinon means the synergy of the entire system takes it to a level beyond the excellence of the individual components. I did not attend RMAF and hear the Bryston system, but I do own an entire Bryston system from power isolation unit through to speakers and that's what I hear. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 21 Oct 2013, 02:17 pm
Hi Gene

I am sorry we do not but we have a dealer that may be able to help.  Where are you located?

james

James,

Since there are no US dealers anywhere as close to me as the 5.5 hrs. to the border at Niagara Falls and 6.5 hrs. to GTA I have two questions: What is the closest dealer over the border from the falls to GTA and would it be possible to audition the Model T's there.  I'm assuming I would then have to order them from the US dealer in Milwaukee.  Not sure how that would work out for the Canadian dealer hosting the demo.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TomS on 21 Oct 2013, 02:33 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=88582)


james
These sounded quite good, but apparently the floor standing Model T's weren't there?

Tom
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2013, 03:01 pm
These sounded quite good, but apparently the floor standing Model T's weren't there?

Tom

Hi Tom,

Yes we felt showing people what we can do at $2695 a pair was a better approach than using the big guns (Model T Sigs).

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 21 Oct 2013, 08:11 pm
what are the differences between the Model A ,1300 a pair and the Mini T's ,2700 a pair....both being 3 way bookshelf speakers
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2013, 08:40 pm
what are the differences between the Model A ,1300 a pair and the Mini T's ,2700 a pair....both being 3 way bookshelf speakers

Hi Gene

You mean the new Mini A Bookshelf at $1200 the pair vs the Mini T Bookshelf at $2695 ?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 21 Oct 2013, 08:44 pm
YES....my error   :duh:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2013, 08:49 pm
YES....my error   :duh:

The Mini A is a 3-way but a 3 inch Mid and a 6.5 inch Woofer as opposed to the Mini T with a 5.25 inch Mid and 8 inch Woofer.  The Mini T is a MUCH bigger speaker and will play louder and go deeper.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 21 Oct 2013, 08:56 pm
do you have the measurements for the actual size of the MINI A's?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2013, 09:21 pm
do you have the measurements for the actual size of the MINI A's?

Still working on them but I would say ay this point 1/2 the size of the Mini T's

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Oct 2013, 11:39 am
Customer Response Bryston Middle T Speakers

Hi Folks;

I had some concerns about my 3B clipping occasionally into my new Bryston Middle T speakers at high volumes:

I received an e-mail from James Tanner of Bryston and he said so long as the clipping was occasional there was nothing to worry about but if it was clipping "with the beat" I need more power.

He was also of the opinion that the very, very low distortion of the middle T allows you to turn them up louder than normal without realizing how loud they really are.

Power concerns aside, these are excellent speakers, and I'm very impressed with Bryston's personal touch.

Class acts all the way.

Post subject:  Bryston speakers
Posted: 21 Oct 2013 22:36

mahatma1
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Oct 2013, 06:39 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=88706)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Oct 2013, 07:18 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=88709)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Oct 2013, 08:29 pm
Hi Folks,

New Model A Mini Bookshelf speakers and Model A Center speaker.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=89041)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=89042)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Oct 2013, 11:03 pm
Building the Bryston A2 Tower loudspeaker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxXjUf-s688&feature=youtu.be

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Oct 2013, 12:54 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Speaker Feedback

From: Rodney 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 7:45 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Model T

Hi James

I heard the Model T the other day At Whitby Audio...Dan demoed them for me.
 
My god they are outstanding.
 
You must be so very proud, James.

I have been swayed away from Bryston in the past but that will never happen again.

Rodney
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Hiker on 2 Nov 2013, 08:17 pm
Building the Bryston A2 Tower loudspeaker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxXjUf-s688&feature=youtu.be

james

Glad to see Bryston place the mid-range driver in an enclosure to prevent any distortion caused by the back-pressure from the the woofers.   However, I suspect that some of that back-pressure will be radiated back through the woofer diaphragms. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Anonamemouse on 3 Nov 2013, 12:45 pm
Glad to see Bryston place the mid-range driver in an enclosure to prevent any distortion caused by the back-pressure from the the woofers.   However, I suspect that some of that back-pressure will be radiated back through the woofer diaphragms.
I would hardly call that an enclosure... It's just plastic. You can see how it wobbles when he pulls it out.
The only thing this prevents is the midrange speakers being blown out when some serious bass occurs, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Nov 2013, 01:03 pm
I would hardly call that an enclosure... It's just plastic. You can see how it wobbles when he pulls it out.
The only thing this prevents is the midrange speakers being blown out when some serious bass occurs, but that's about it.

I counter with:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=120432.0

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Phast1 on 4 Nov 2013, 02:53 am
Hi James,
I'm located in Montreal but cannot seem to find a bryston
dealer who'd have any of your speakers in store.
Specifically, i'm extremely interested in the Middle T speaker.

Any clues?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Nov 2013, 03:27 am
Hi

Audioville is our dealer - ask for Steve.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 4 Nov 2013, 11:45 am
Hi James,
I'm located in Montreal but cannot seem to find a bryston
dealer who'd have any of your speakers in store.
Specifically, i'm extremely interested in the Middle T speaker.

Any clues?

http://www.audiovilleinc.com/en/ (http://www.audiovilleinc.com/en/)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 4 Nov 2013, 01:53 pm
someone on audiogon.com is selling a pair of Mini-T's for 1700 or best offer........
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Nov 2013, 02:02 pm
Apparently this system was a big hot at the TAVIS Show>

http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/systems/Simply_Italy-Bryston.shtml

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Nov 2013, 04:56 pm
LOL

James



Hi Folks,

We showed an new INWALL/ONWALL series of Bryston speakers at the recent CEDIA and Toronto Audio shows and a number of people have asked for more details.

Please find a preliminary PDF Brochure attached

james



From: robert@engulfaudio.com [mailto:robert@engulfaudio.com]
Sent: November-05-13 11:33 AM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: Bryston Wall Series

"Someone stop him!"
 
Seriously, I am so excited for the new products. It makes it easier for what I do to offer an all-in-one product company for all my clients because there is no better deal in audio than Bryston, both price and sonically. But rest my friend...rest!
 
By the way, I have an appointment to take our Bryston Minis to Jade Entertainment in downtown Mobile, AL. The owner is a great guy and a life long friend. I will be setting them up in one of his main studios as monitors. So, my next question is, with the creation of all of these new products, have you considered a powered set of Minis, or similar, for the professional use in studio recording as studio monitors? I look forward to your reply. I will also report back with pics and comments from the recording engineers.
 
Take care from your Southern Bryston Bro,
Robert Meeks

engulfaudio
      HIFI
public house

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Nov 2013, 08:45 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: BRYSTON MINI T SPEAKER


BRYSTON MINI T - REPORT FROM THE TRENCHES:

Very first impressions initial listening: Direct swap out from B&W 802 setup: Using Naim HDX as source Listened to progressively more detailed, complex, and wider octave ranged music, about 20 tracks, about 2 minutes each on B&W first, then quick swap for Bryston Mini T.

On lighter, but very well recorded music, Mini T seemed lighter weight, BUT vocals were amazing in accuracy, depth, and even possibly clearer. As the music moved down into the 200hz range, with some drum work, conga, and newer recordings that weren’t studio compressed speakers seemed to come into their own.

Going to some re-mastered Rock, the speakers got fuller, but seemed in my mind to be about 2 dB shy of output of 802, which I was surprised as the 802’s suck up power.  (Pot was at same level). Detailed, but less forward jazz music seemed to favor the B&W…but of course we are talking cabinets that have 3X the volume, more drivers, and cost 4X as much as the Mini. So I decided to goose the volume pot a drop…VOILLA !  WOW, these things COOK!  I have a few very strenuous tracks in my test run, from Jaco Pastorious, to Airto & Micky Hart, and finally Pancho Sanchez who along with his percussive works, has an organ that moves your innards.

I could not believe the output of these little speakers.  Not bloated, not tubby, and as much as I tried all type of vocal, I think they might be slightly better than the 802 in this 200hz-1000Hz range.  Crossover components ?  Driver ?  Combination ?  but a hair more articulate. I tried all type of male from the Velvet Fog, to james Taylor, Mick Jagger, Satchmo, Ray Charles & more…to many old school female voices, to the newer ones like Krall of course…VERY SMOOTH clean at about 88dB, and very articulate.I did play a remake of the famous test disc from the 80’s, Limehouse blues, from Jazz at the Pawnshop, that I think I  have heard 100 times, if I heard it once. the background noises, were extremely clean and articulate.  Al the speech was well defined.  I attribute this to the cross-over points, not effecting the critical vocal range, and what is obviously a very tight patterned mid-range driver.  I am assuming the distortion on this driver is very low.

For this price, this is a grand slam of a product in the World Series of speakers !

More to come.
Wayne
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Nov 2013, 08:21 pm
Have not got my copy yet but the November issue of Absolute Sound has a review of the Bryston Mini T speaker.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Nov 2013, 12:03 pm
Have not got my copy yet but the November issue of Absolute Sound has a review of the Bryston Mini T speaker.

james

James,

I received my printed issue today, the same day you emailed about the Mini T review.  I don’t think you’ll be disappointed!  Not a negative comment in it.  He describes the monitors as studio monitors in the best sense, and has nothing but praise and admiration for your approach to accurate design throughout the review.

Congratulations!

I hope some reviews are in the works for your full-sized monitors as well.

Cheers,

Bob Sykes

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Nov 2013, 04:55 pm
Hi Folks,

Working on some new pictures of the Bryston Speaker products – please see attached ... a sample.
Walnut finish Model T Signature with XL Outriggers.

James

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90167)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Don_S on 19 Nov 2013, 05:04 pm
I like outriggers.  I think they make a speaker look bad assed.  :smoke:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Nov 2013, 11:43 am
Hi Folks,

Here is the link to the Absolute Sound Magazine of the Bryston Mini T Speakers.

I love the heading:

BRYSTON MINI T LOUDSPEAKER
Whole New Ballgame!


http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-mini-t-loudspeaker/

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Nov 2013, 03:43 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Full System Customer Report


BRYSTON MINI T LOUDSPEAKERS

Hi Folks

Musical jewels!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90291)

That was my impression after an active listening of this Mini T model. Wow. It was magical. I've passed a wonderful 3 hours (I will have to return as it wasn't enough long) with Rick Bastedo, sale agent, Hi-Fi Specialist of Cox's Audio in Fredericton (New Brunswick).

I'm in process to buy a complete new sound system. Start from the beginning as I just have right now my Apple (computer with ITunes Library) and the Sonos Play 5 (bought there, at Cox's last year).  Everything we have listened yesterday night was Bryston (including the DAC and the converter) except the CD Player. I had a bias perception against Bryston amplifier and other of your products. Don't know why exactly, perhaps some Magazines Critics in the past. Who knows?

But this listening session yesterday with some of my favourites CD and records was astonishing. Unfortunately, I don't have the budget right now to buy the Mini-T, your integrated amplifier and the converter and the DAC. So I will have to choose.

Again,  bravo for this accomplishment. You have a pretty good salepersonne with Rick Bastedo, of Cox's Radio. He knows your product very well. I'm still flabbergasted by the superiority of your DAC and Converter compare to a listening with a CD. Wow. Marvellous. Indeed, Canada is going to become an audiophile and Hi-Fi product reference - A world leader in this sector Why not? Again, bravo for this so good Mini T Bookshelf speakers. Their bigger brother should be a jaw dropping experience when you listen to it.

Keep the good work!

Beno ït A. Lanteigne
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Nov 2013, 05:29 pm
BRYSTON MINI T SPEAKER - CUSTOMER FEEDBACK

November 2013

1.   SNORGY • 2 days ago:
Having just bought a pair of Mini T’s , with stands, several months ago, what I can say is that the Mini Ts play much larger than they look.
Listening to them on their stands, blindfolded, a person would have no way of telling them apart from a pair of high quality floor standing towers. If the person was then to remove the blindfold, he or she would find it difficult to believe that *THAT* came out of *THOSE*.

I first paired them with a vintage HK PM665 integrated amplifier, and I can honestly say it was, to my ears, the most perfectly matched amplifier-speaker combination that I have heard in three decades. They do want power, but if the power is available - within reason - these things will scare you before you scare them.

Simply put, these are the best "small" speakers I have heard in a long, long time.



2.   Steve Michaelson -  6 hours ago

Heard these last month along with the ModelTs. The Brystons are amongst the best speakers I have heard at any price. Literally stunned me.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: glynnw on 22 Nov 2013, 05:48 pm
Heard these at RMAF.  Have to agree that they sound like BIG speakers - the bass was stunning. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 22 Nov 2013, 06:33 pm
Hi Folks,

Working on some new pictures of the Bryston Speaker products – please see attached ... a sample.
Walnut finish Model T Signature with XL Outriggers.

James

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90167)

These are really nice looking in the walnut - beautiful!!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Hiker on 22 Nov 2013, 07:19 pm
Good observation.  The thin flimsy plastic enclosure used by Bryston for their mid-range driver is a far-cry from the speciality engineered die-cast aluminum enclosure used by Paradigm.   
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Nov 2013, 08:22 pm
Good observation.  The thin flimsy plastic enclosure used by Bryston for their mid-range driver is a far-cry from the speciality engineered die-cast aluminum enclosure used by Paradigm.

It always surprises me the individuals who have never heard the speaker or designed and manufactured a loudspeaker seem to know all there is to know about the subject  :scratch:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Hiker on 22 Nov 2013, 08:45 pm
It always surprises me the individuals who have never heard the speaker or designed and manufactured a loudspeaker seem to know all there is to know about the subject  :scratch:

james

I assume Paradigm knows how to manufacture a speaker.  They make a higher quality speaker than Axiom.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Nov 2013, 09:45 pm
I assume Paradigm knows how to manufacture a speaker.  They make a higher quality speaker than Axiom.

Hi

I disagree - Paradigm does it their way - Axiom does it their way and Bryston does it their way. Its up to the listener to decide what sounds best to him or her. Speakers like amplifiers do not have any magic bullets - you make decisions based on what you think matters most in your specific design to get the end result you desire.

The whole reason I decided to go with Axiom as my partner on the speaker project was the expert design facilities (anechoic chamber) they had, the terrific engineering people and I audition a set of M80 speakers at $1500 a pair!  Christ it put speakers at 3 times their price to shame (and boy I have listened to a lot of speakers in my time). These people know what they are doing and because they can build a cost effective speaker that sounds and performs superbly was really important to me.

In the end most of what contributes to the sound of a loudspeaker in a room is the measured "family of curves" (sound power) or radiation polar response and the power it can handle without distortion. 

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Hiker on 22 Nov 2013, 10:47 pm
The Canadian speaker manufactures, especially Paradigm and Axiom, make some good products when you consider their price vs. so many of the over-priced and over-hyped European brands.   Listening to the sound of a speaker is certainly important if one really knows (most don't) how to determine if the sound is accurate and natural.  A bass reflex design creates cabinet resonances and back-wave distortion (especially adversely affecting mid-range quality) and manufactures use the resulting sound  to make the buyer think he/she is hearing natural sound when in fact they are actually hearing resonances and distortion make to sound good, so they think.  Also important is build quality of the cabinet and drivers including the appearance of the finished product.   To the latter, Paradigm's S8 and S6 and their new Tribute far out-class Axiom's M80.       
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 22 Nov 2013, 10:54 pm
, Paradigm's S8 and S6 and their new Tribute far out-class Axiom's M80.       


I agree that those Paradigm products "outclass" the Axiom M80,,,they should considering the massive price difference.  I like Bryston,Paradigm and Axiom products. I've noticed that Paradigm speakers seem to have lost interest amongst audiophiles!!IMHO
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Nov 2013, 11:04 pm
The Canadian speaker manufactures, especially Paradigm and Axiom, make some good products when you consider their price vs. so many of the over-priced and over-hyped European brands.   Listening to the sound of a speaker is certainly important if one really knows (most don't) how to determine if the sound is accurate and natural.  A bass reflex design creates cabinet resonances and back-wave distortion (especially adversely affecting mid-range quality) and manufactures use the resulting sound  to make the buyer think he/she is hearing natural sound when in fact they are actually hearing resonances and distortion make to sound good, so they think.  Also important is build quality of the cabinet and drivers including the appearance of the finished product.   To the latter, Paradigm's S8 and S6 and their new Tribute far out-class Axiom's M80.       

Mechanical resonances and such can be measured and dealt with utilizing accelerometers and measuring tools and  properly braced... plus EVERY material has a resonance frequency.  Its how you deal with it and compensate for it - for instance the ear is much more sensitive to a high frequency resonance as opposed to a low frequency resonance.  So you place your braces at the location in the cabinet that produces the lowest resonance at the lowest amplitude.

I also disagree as well that you can not characterise all ported systems as having midrange colouration.  If there was one way to build a perfect speaker that company would be the winner all others would be gone and there would be one speaker design in the world.

Also when you say 'outclass' - certainly not in the performance arena

May I ask what speakers you own?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Hiker on 23 Nov 2013, 01:32 am
James, I own PMC speakers.  I believe that a transmission line, if properly designed, offers the least cabinet resonance with essentially no back-wave caused distortion resulting in better bass and clearer mid-range.     
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Hiker on 23 Nov 2013, 01:56 am

I've noticed that Paradigm speakers seem to have lost interest amongst audiophiles!!IMHO

James, you are in a better position to know than me.  But if anyone is shopping for a new speakers in the $6,000+/- range they should investigate the new Paradigm Tribute 30th Anniversary in Dark Garnet Gloss finish.  It is a 91 lb. beauty with cabinet construction quality, finishing excellence,  and driver performance that may not be matched for less than $10,000, e.g., why pay almost that much for an Aerial 7t.  I don't know if it sounds better than the Bryston Middle T for about the same price but I know which one I would buy and place in my living room. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 23 Nov 2013, 04:54 am

I agree that those Paradigm products "outclass" the Axiom M80,,,they should considering the massive price difference.  I like Bryston,Paradigm and Axiom products. I've noticed that Paradigm speakers seem to have lost interest amongst audiophiles!!IMHO
I do not think that Paradigm ever considered as a good speakers. They are just speakers like some others.
OK, let's say their studio 100 v2 was so far better then anything else they ever made.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: PRELUDE on 23 Nov 2013, 05:18 am
James, you are in a better position to know than me.  But if anyone is shopping for a new speakers in the $6,000+/- range they should investigate the new Paradigm Tribute 30th Anniversary in Dark Garnet Gloss finish.  It is a 91 lb. beauty with cabinet construction quality, finishing excellence,  and driver performance that may not be matched for less than $10,000, e.g., why pay almost that much for an Aerial 7t.  I don't know if it sounds better than the Bryston Middle T for about the same price but I know which one I would buy and place in my living room.
I told this to many close friends that never ever pay more then $2500 for Paradigm!
You can ask me why?
What do you like the most about the Aerial7T?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Nov 2013, 10:47 am
James, you are in a better position to know than me.  But if anyone is shopping for a new speakers in the $6,000+/- range they should investigate the new Paradigm Tribute 30th Anniversary in Dark Garnet Gloss finish.  It is a 91 lb. beauty with cabinet construction quality, finishing excellence,  and driver performance that may not be matched for less than $10,000, e.g., why pay almost that much for an Aerial 7t.  I don't know if it sounds better than the Bryston Middle T for about the same price but I know which one I would buy and place in my living room.

Hi Hiker

Sonic excellence was my main goal with the Model T series speakers at a price point mere mortals could afford.

If I had to build my own factory and buy the gear required to test and manufacture speakers the Model T speakers would be 3 times their price.  Working with Axiom saves our customers many thousands of dollars with no performance downside.  I agree that people buy products for other reasons than performance. My favorite saying is “People do not buy a Rolex to tell the time”.  There is pride of ownership involved, bragging rights, cosmetics etc. but there are many less expensive watches that keep time just as well. 

The Model T at $6000 weighs 108 pounds each which is a function of cabinet construction, driver magnet sizes, driver quality, crossover accuracy, parts tolerances etc.  I agree that the Model T series is far more utilitarian that many other speakers out there but I decided early on that state of the art sonic performance was my main objective – form follows function as they say.  I certainly recognized that cosmetics matter more to some than performance when it comes to what they place in their living room – just look at the custom install market where speakers are placed in walls and ceilings and behind furniture and they call that high end audio!

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 23 Nov 2013, 12:06 pm
I do not think that Paradigm ever considered as a good speakers. They are just speakers like some others.
OK, let's say their studio 100 v2 was so far better then anything else they ever made.


Prelude,, when I conceded that the Paradigm speakers "outclassed" the Axioms, I was referring only to the much more expensive ones mentioned by Hiker.  To me "outclassed" could include appearance, fit and finish etc.  It is not limited to sonic performance and certainly NOT value.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Nov 2013, 02:19 pm
James, I own PMC speakers.  I believe that a transmission line, if properly designed, offers the least cabinet resonance with essentially no back-wave caused distortion resulting in better bass and clearer mid-range.   

Hi Hiker

Great speakers and the the IB2 PMC was my reference when I developed the model T.  I had modified my PMC's to be fully Active using two Bryston 10B crossovers and 7Bs and 4B amplifiers for each separate driver. 


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90317)


Like any design though there are plus and minus aspects to transmission-line designs.  In fact I would say that transmission line design leans more towards the designers talents than pure science.  The type of foam used and the amount as well as the length of the transmission line seriously affect the final outcome.  There is a lot of trial and error involved and Peter Thomas at PMC is one of the best at getting this technology to work in my opinion.  There is back pressure though in these designs as well and PMC does use a sealed midrange container for the same reasons as most other designs do.  There is also the issue of the out of phase signal as a result of the transmission line delay.

Anyway great speaker and I applaud your choice. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Hiker on 23 Nov 2013, 02:59 pm
Hi Hiker

Sonic excellence was my main goal with the Model T series speakers at a price point mere mortals could afford.

If I had to build my own factory and buy the gear required to test and manufacture speakers the Model T speakers would be 3 times their price.  Working with Axiom saves our customers many thousands of dollars with no performance downside.  I agree that people buy products for other reasons than performance. My favorite saying is “People do not buy a Rolex to tell the time”.  There is pride of ownership involved, bragging rights, cosmetics etc. but there are many less expensive watches that keep time just as well. 

The Model T at $6000 weighs 108 pounds each which is a function of cabinet construction, driver magnet sizes, driver quality, crossover accuracy, parts tolerances etc.  I agree that the Model T series is far more utilitarian that many other speakers out there but I decided early on that state of the art sonic performance was my main objective – form follows function as they say.  I certainly recognized that cosmetics matter more to some than performance when it comes to what they place in their living room – just look at the custom install market where speakers are placed in walls and ceilings and behind furniture and they call that high end audio!

james


James, your logic and reasons for using an existing manufacturer like Axiom in your country makes perfect business sense.  Other speaker manufacturers have made investments years ago and have amortized that cost so that they are competitive today.  Also, many make their products in-house and so they also don't have to pay a middle-man.

The sound quality today from the various speaker manufacturers has enabled audiophiles to obtain 'never before' heard sound quality at fairly reasonable costs.  Of course every manufacturer says their product is the best for one reason or another.  Other than sound there can be and are real differences in cabinet construction and finish appearance.  Given the similarity in sound performance this can be the deciding factor for many customers.  Maybe call the it 'feel good' factor. 

Yes, a Timex will keep good time.  But who wants to wear one rather than a Rolex.   
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Nov 2013, 03:25 pm
James, your logic and reasons for using an existing manufacturer like Axiom in your country makes perfect business sense.  Other speaker manufacturers have made investments years ago and have amortized that cost so that they are competitive today.  Also, many make their products in-house and so they also don't have to pay a middle-man.

The sound quality today from the various speaker manufacturers has enabled audiophiles to obtain 'never before' heard sound quality at fairly reasonable costs.  Of course every manufacturer says their product is the best for one reason or another.  Other than sound there can be and are real differences in cabinet construction and finish appearance.  Given the similarity in sound performance this can be the deciding factor for many customers.  Maybe call the it 'feel good' factor. 

Yes, a Timex will keep good time.  But who wants to wear one rather than a Rolex.

I  wear a Timex and am proud of it and I usually show up on time.   :icon_lol:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90318)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Hiker on 23 Nov 2013, 03:45 pm
Very few manufacturers of quality audio gear have executives who are accessible and willing to engage in meaningful dialogue with existing customers and potential new customers.   This has value and is something you can't put a price on.   Even if they do prefer a Timex over a Rolex.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Nov 2013, 05:14 pm
Hi Folks,

Moving on - I got a copy of a review in a major magazine that reviewed the Bryston Mini T's,  BP17 Preamp and 28B SST2 amps as a complete Bryston system.

Here is a sneak preview:

My experience with this system (Bryston Mini T speakers, BP17 preamp and 28BSST² amplifiers) has forever reshaped my reference and I look forward to comparing other systems to this benchmark. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Nov 2013, 09:22 pm
Hi Folks,

FIRST EVER --- Review of complete Bryston System:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/power-amplifiers/power-amplifiers-reviews/bryston-28bsst2-stereo-amplifier.html

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sfraser on 26 Nov 2013, 04:05 pm
Nice review James. I wish the Audio Shop in Ottawa would get a set of Bryston demo  speakers in. i would sure like to give them a listen.

Scott
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Beatles on 26 Nov 2013, 09:10 pm
buy the gear required to test and manufacture speakers the Model T speakers would be 3 times their price.  Working with Axiom saves our customers many thousands of dollars with no performance downside. 


That is EXACTLY why the Brystons are the true giant killers they are.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Dec 2013, 04:33 pm
Mini T Speaker Review in Absolute Sound Magazine:


http://www.bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2013_12_Review_Absolute_Mini_T.pdf
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Biggarthomas on 15 Dec 2013, 06:09 am
I agree with James about Paradigm/Axiom being all about a matter of personal taste. I owned Axiom M80s for one year and then traded up to the M100s. My wife didn't like the M100s but she fell in love with the  Paradigm Sig8s. I bought a pair of the Paradigms and absolutely love them. After returning the M100s, Axiom returned the difference in cost between the 80s and the 100s, they also sent me a new pair of M80 ( I presume that they had unloaded my original M80s.

I just sold the M80s for $400 below list price but, I cannot lie, I feld a deep sense of nostalgia for them. They have a stronger backbone to their sound than the Sigs which are more refined but in my opinion, you have to go as far up the ladder to the Sig8s in order to find a better speaker than the M80s. I'd buy them again - no question.

I have not heard the Brystons but, at the time that I was returning the M100s fervently wished that the Bryston Model As were out so that I could compare. Too late though. And the Model Ts are too big for my wife. Even though the room is pretty big - I would not even mention the Model Ts to her!! I have separate 2-channel and surround sound rooms, I've got a complete Axiom setup for surround. Once Bryston comes out with its Model A set, I'm going to give it a listen. On the other hand, I might just swap out my M22s for Mini Ts.

I don't change my gear very frequently, the past year has been a complete anomaly. The Sig8s are staying put - they ain't shabby, I'll tell you that.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Dec 2013, 11:49 pm
Hi Folks,

Because they are more alike than different:

Here is a link to a new Bryston Speaker Brochure which includes both the Model T and Model A Series.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/5gpj2lr56dm0lf1/Bryston%20Model%20T%20and%20Model%20A%20Loudspeakers%20B%20-%201214%20web.pdf

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Dec 2013, 01:41 pm
Hi Folks,

COMING SOON - REVIEW FROM SOUNDSTAGE MAGAZINE ON

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=92089)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=92090)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=92091)


james



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 28 Dec 2013, 02:21 pm
They really do have a nice look.Would be even better to hear them.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jan 2014, 03:58 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T Speaker Review – Soundstage Magazine


Hi Folks,

New review from Soundstage Magazine on the Bryston Mini T loudspeaker!

My favorite comment:

“Their sound was uncolored -- neither forward nor recessed, fat nor thin, romantic nor analytical. In what was basically an all-Bryston system, the Mini Ts were simply conduits at the end of a disinterested signal chain that reproduced music with clarity, a sense of ease, and excellent soundstaging”.

Please see link:
http://www.soundstageaccess.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/526

James Tanner
Bryston

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Zolty on 1 Jan 2014, 07:32 pm
James, seems like another good product of yours.

Just a bit of background - unfortunately, I bought BCD-1 last year which caused retun of my audiophilia disease (thought I had it cured 10 years ago). ;)

Started with BHA-1 & mentioned BCD-1 hooked up to Senheiser HD800 headphones. While sounds OK, I am now missing "decent" loudspeaker system (Amp+Speakers).
Unfortunately it would have to not only fit into small room (W12ft x L16 ft x H7.5ft), but also be capable of playing decently at very low sound levels.
I've read Mini-T's are great when it comes to high SPL, but would the fit the bill when it comes to given requirements (or should I wait for Micro-T ? ;) ).
The second question is (I know I should listen to the equipment first prior to purchasing - but just trying to narrow the list down) - which amp? Considering room size I thought about either B135 or 2B-SST2 and BHA-1 as a pre-amp?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jan 2014, 08:13 pm
James, seems like another good product of yours.

Just a bit of background - unfortunately, I bought BCD-1 last year which caused retun of my audiophilia disease (thought I had it cured 10 years ago). ;)

Started with BHA-1 & mentioned BCD-1 hooked up to Senheiser HD800 headphones. While sounds OK, I am now missing "decent" loudspeaker system (Amp+Speakers).
Unfortunately it would have to not only fit into small room (W12ft x L16 ft x H7.5ft), but also be capable of playing decently at very low sound levels.
I've read Mini-T's are great when it comes to high SPL, but would the fit the bill when it comes to given requirements (or should I wait for Micro-T ? ;) ).
The second question is (I know I should listen to the equipment first prior to purchasing - but just trying to narrow the list down) - which amp? Considering room size I thought about either B135 or 2B-SST2 and BHA-1 as a pre-amp?

Hi Zolty

Given your room size I would look at the MINI T or MIDDLE T (if you want a floorstander)

The ability to play at higher levels without dynamic distortion does not affect the ability to provide similar quality and resolution at low levels if designed properly.

Here is an anechoic measurement showing the frequency response at 90dB as well as 110dB on the Model T - notice how it does not change at very low levels as well as very high levels.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=92304)


I would recommend the 2,5B and the BHA-1 if you use your headphones a lot as the BHA will be better into the quality headphones than the headphone jack in the B135.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Zolty on 1 Jan 2014, 10:36 pm
Wow!
I was not expecting the answer today! Happy New Year James!

The BHA-1 stays - as headphones will still remain my main way of listening. While installing B135 would allow me to use RC, the Power Amp XLR connections are tempting (not sure if it's BCD or BHA - or both - but balanced connection gives huge improvement of SQ over the CINCH).

When I mentioned quiet listening, I thought more of a "background" music - i.e. really quiet.
While on the power amp - one of the providers in my country 9Poland) has a power amp described as 2BSST2 - can not find such a thing on Bryston's website. I'll need to contact him after the new year - maybe he meant 2.5BSST2, or 2BSST(not 2).

Thanks for the extremly quick response.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jan 2014, 11:13 pm
Wow!
I was not expecting the answer today! Happy New Year James!

The BHA-1 stays - as headphones will still remain my main way of listening. While installing B135 would allow me to use RC, the Power Amp XLR connections are tempting (not sure if it's BCD or BHA - or both - but balanced connection gives huge improvement of SQ over the CINCH).

When I mentioned quiet listening, I thought more of a "background" music - i.e. really quiet.
While on the power amp - one of the providers in my country 9Poland) has a power amp described as 2BSST2 - can not find such a thing on Bryston's website. I'll need to contact him after the new year - maybe he meant 2.5BSST2, or 2BSST(not 2).

Thanks for the extremly quick response.

The 2B SST was an earlier version rated at 100 watts.

james\
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: MarvinTheMartian on 3 Jan 2014, 08:53 pm
James: Any AX-1 digital crossover updates? Still tweaking the T-signature response or AX-1 hardware itself?

Would the AX-1 be suitable for a DIY speaker builder?
I realize your current custom user interface is probably non existent, but I can probably deal with that with the help from my co-workers. I am a wood worker and digital ASIC specialist at heart, but I work with a large geek team, from theoretical mathematicians and Matlab / DSP / FPGA to board designers.

I have gotten pretty good with OMNI-MIC measurements, analog parametric EQ and my 10B-std but I need a lot more more flexibility for my next vision. Something loosely based on the following open baffle monster.
http://www.serenityacoustics.com/products/thesingularity.html

Alternate crossover options have been whittled down to another Canadian pro competitor. 
http://xilica.com/products/x-series-2/
If the AX-1 is not DIY suitable, do you have any other suggestions?

Shawn

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Jan 2014, 09:01 pm
James: Any AX-1 digital crossover updates? Still tweaking the T-signature response or AX-1 hardware itself?

Would the AX-1 be suitable for a DIY speaker builder?
I realize your current custom user interface is probably non existent, but I can probably deal with that with the help from my co-workers. I am a wood worker and digital ASIC specialist at heart, but I work with a large geek team, from theoretical mathematicians and Matlab / DSP / FPGA to board designers.

I have gotten pretty good with OMNI-MIC measurements, analog parametric EQ and my 10B-std but I need a lot more more flexibility for my next vision. Something loosely based on the following open baffle monster.
http://www.serenityacoustics.com/products/thesingularity.html

Alternate crossover options have been whittled down to another Canadian pro competitor. 
http://xilica.com/products/x-series-2/
If the AX-1 is not suitable, do you have any other suggestions?

Shawn

Hi Shawn

We have not done a lot of work on the AX1 yet as we are still evaluating some of the new DAC's.  It will be a dedicated crossover for the Model T Active speakers though not a universal crossover.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Zolty on 5 Jan 2014, 02:38 am
The 2B SST was an earlier version rated at 100 watts.

james\

Thank you James - seems like it is 2B-SST2 on the shelf.
Would integrated B135 be powrful enough to drive MiniTs (I know 2x28B-SSt2 would be optimal, but .... ), considering room size and low SPL levels or should I look into 4B-SST2 and start saving for proper pre-amp?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Jan 2014, 12:24 pm
Thank you James - seems like it is 2B-SST2 on the shelf.
Would integrated B135 be powrful enough to drive MiniTs (I know 2x28B-SSt2 would be optimal, but .... ), considering room size and low SPL levels or should I look into 4B-SST2 and start saving for proper pre-amp?

I would say in a small room the B135 would be fine - we have 3 customers now with the B135 and a pair of Middle T's and one customer with Model T's in small rooms and all works well.

So a 4B would be ideal in most rooms under most conditions.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: The Lorax on 15 Jan 2014, 11:50 pm
Hi James:

This is my first post on this forum. I'm a confessed Bryston addict having been turned onto Bryston by Andrew Marshall in the mid-90s.

I recently acquired a BDP-2 and BDA-2 to add to my BCD-1, BP-6 and 3BST amps. I'm running PMC LB1s and have not shown any interest in new speakers until the advent of Bryston's new models.

I think the Model Ts are just too much for the room I use to listen to music but the Middle Ts will be perfect. I have 2 questions:

1) Where can I audition a pair of Middle Ts in the Vancouver area; and
2) Will a pair of 3BSTs be sufficient to drive them and if so, how would you reccommend wiring them up to the speakers (i.e. bi-wiring or running the amps in bridged mode).

Cheers.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jan 2014, 02:14 am
Hi James:

This is my first post on this forum. I'm a confessed Bryston addict having been turned onto Bryston by Andrew Marshall in the mid-90s.

I recently acquired a BDP-2 and BDA-2 to add to my BCD-1, BP-6 and 3BST amps. I'm running PMC LB1s and have not shown any interest in new speakers until the advent of Bryston's new models.

I think the Model Ts are just too much for the room I use to listen to music but the Middle Ts will be perfect. I have 2 questions:

1) Where can I audition a pair of Middle Ts in the Vancouver area; and
2) Will a pair of 3BSTs be sufficient to drive them and if so, how would you reccommend wiring them up to the speakers (i.e. bi-wiring or running the amps in bridged mode).

Cheers.

Hi Lorax

HI- Fi Center on Seymour St our dealer in Vancouver I believe has the Middle T. - ask for Igor

The Middle T;s need about 100 watts under most conditions so the 3B should be just fine.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jan 2014, 03:03 am
Custom Model T in Gloss White:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93091)

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bjski on 16 Jan 2014, 06:19 pm
Nice! :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spotlightaudio on 19 Jan 2014, 04:26 pm
VERY NICE !!!  Any other gloss finish options?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jan 2014, 05:19 pm
VERY NICE !!!  Any other gloss finish options?

Not at this point - it takes 14 coats of paint with buffing in between - very labour intensive to do it correctly.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jan 2014, 07:59 pm
The Bryston Mini T – A New Reference

Over four decades ago, I took my first steps into a special form of insanity: I became a novice audiophile. It is a craziness that consists of reaching for an unreachable end, the sound of “live” music through a process that is entirely artificial, manufactured, in other words, reproduced sound. It is not unlike the insanity of trying to find the “real” potato chip in a highly processed one. The processed one can be delightful, but it can never be a real one. It is an image, a reproduction designed to imitate a real one. Being a audiophile is to become Jason pursuing the Golden Fleece, but knowing that it is unattainable. It is the chase and the stops along the way that keep you going. And on that journey, you have lots of good times and some bad ones. On occasion in chasing the Fleece, you get distracted and end up being fleeced purchasing gimmicks touted to have magical effects.

As a novice audiophile, I was advised to start with the speakers. Buy the best ones you can afford, with best meaning the ones whose sound you like the best, and then buy the electronics. It has been good advice to which I've adhered. I've owned a number of speakers and a lot of excellent electronics, most of which bear the Bryston logo. But the greatest changes always have come with changes in speakers. Early on, I looked for speakers that were linear or balanced, meaning that no frequency range dominated over any other. It was only years later that I added other useful criteria: accuracy, transparency, depth in the sound stage, pinpoint imaging. One knowledgeable audiophile has noted, correctly I believe, that a reference speaker for consumers means the one they like the best. If you are an audiophile, it also is a good idea to like speakers that are accurate, transparent, etc. because the whole point of your hobby (obsession?) is to get a close as possible to what the producers of the sound recording decided to release. If you're on the quest to get near the Golden Fleece of “real” (meaning to get out of the recording exactly what was put into it) you need to have the elements of “real” in as part of your mindset. Ironically, you can love the sound of your speakers, but they should not have any sound of their own. You don't want your glasses to be rose coloured unless all you want to see is roses. You don't want speakers that are all bass unless all you want to hear is bass.

Several years ago, I bought, twice, very expensive and beautiful sounding speakers that were highly coloured (a bass bias). Seduced by a beautiful sounding, but not accurate bass, I had drifted from my early goal of linear and when I finally heard much less expensive but very linear speakers in a side-by-side test, it was a shock. Being out many thousands of dollars, it was difficult to admit that I had misplaced my love. Those beautiful speakers are now gone. It was a pricey mistake, but through it I re-learned that in audio price is not a predictor of performance.  This lesson was first taught to me as a Bryston owner. In the high end audio market, there is a segment that caters to those customers who equate price to performance because there are enough rich people who do as well. Bryston, on the other hand, apparently believes there are enough people who are willing to pay for the highest quality product possible, even if that means charging a price lower than could be gotten from rich people. And Bryston has never been willing to squeeze an extra buck out of its customers by attracting them with bling.

It's not surprising then that I was one of the early buyers of the fabulous, bling-free Bryston Model T. It is driven by an all Bryston system: a pair of 7BSST2 amplifiers, BDA1, BDP-1, BIT15 Power Conditioner (under the Torus label). My sound room is fairly good in size and shape, if not ideal.

The Model T is now my reference speaker. Linear, accurate, etc. All I wanted. And more. A critical “more.” Presence - the sense that musicians are playing in the room. I never heard that before in my present or past sound rooms, or indeed in any demo of any speaker I've heard. If the elusive Golden Fleece is to hear “real” music, it is hard for me to conceive how much closer an audiophile can get to this.

So now my main system, the Sound room/Model T/Bryston electronics system, is my reference. I recognize that various applications and their respective environments inherently will be different from my main system environment. But still, I weigh the performance of my car stereo, my headphones, my home theatre my mobile devices with my headphones against my ModelT-based system. Where I find differences, I adjust these other systems, often through equalization, to achieve a closer approximation to my reference system. For example, after buying a number of headphones, I have found that Shure's new SE846 to be as close is possible for a headphone to get to the Model T sound, without EQ. They now are my reference headphones against which I judge other headphones, recognizing that no headphone can sound exactly like speakers that use walls instead of ear canals for acoustic effects.

Recently I decided to attach better speakers to my laptop. Using an Outlaw receiver and B&W 685 bookshelf speakers I got a good result. I added an AudioQuest Dragonfly DAC and it got better. But the audiophile itch is always there. How to make it better? My answer usually has been Bryston, and I was impressed by a recent review by a professional in audio mastering who used Bryston Mini as near field speakers, which is what speakers are in my computer set up. That set up is located at the far end of my sound room. The Mini Ts are about 3-5 inches from an angled wall. Not a great arrangement when compared to the placement at the other end with my Model T. I knew that sound driven through a noisy laptop and a receiver is going to be handicapped when compared to my main system. The B&W 685s sounded good. Voices were trust forward, and as is typical of B&W, the sound, especially in the treble region, was sweet. But to get anything approximating the Model T set up, I had to do quite a bit of equalization, and even then (or because of it) it was not very good bass.

In view of the limitations of the location and the associated electronics, I bet the Mini T would perform better than the B&W685, but not as well as it does.

The Mini T instantly solved the bass problem, as I expected and hoped.
Very close to the Model T sound, albeit without (again as expected) as much depth and weight. I was worried about that the rear ports being so close to the wall would mess up the bass. No problem: no flab or boominess. Visceral. Robust. Controlled. Enchanting. And not a smidgen of EQ. It is not surprising how many reviewers have commented on the T bass in all models. Despite all the other problems using speakers in this location and with these electronics, the Mini T more than approximated my Model T sound in terms of linearity, transparency accuracy, and pinpoint imaging. They may as well be Model Ts. But there is no overcoming the unavoidable reality of this placement and application. The depth is more shallow and the width of the soundstage is narrower. These differences are inevitable.

There is one major point where the Mini T does not approach or approximate my Model T setup. Presence. I believe this is because of the placement lacking the dynamics of normal distances from walls. It may be if I were to set the Mini Ts where the Model T is now, I might find that it, too, has presence. Some reviewers have been so impressed with the Mini T that they prefer it in some respects to the Model T. I doubt that this would be my preference, especially given the inevitable differences in the bass end, where the T has three 8” drivers to the Mini's one. Moreover, I don't expect or need this use of the Mini T to produce an exact copy of my main system's sound. I can turn around, get up, sit in my easy chair, and crank up the main system and listen to the reference Model T system. The merit of getting close to the sound quality and sound signature of the main system is to use a different application, as I do my Shure SE846 with mobile devices over WiFi, without feeling I've sacrificed a great deal.

What is not sacrificed at all with the Mini T used with my computer system is the kind of enjoyment I get with the Model T system. There are telltale signs when the sound is right to my ear and consistent with my predilections. First, in listening to my raft of old favourites, I get the “shiver.”
That knee-jeck emotional response that makes music great and systems that produce it so appealing. The Mini Ts in my testing did this over and over. Second, if I am doing something while listening to music (reading, writing pieces like this one), and the  sound draws me away to it, I know I have something special special. This is one the qualities that the Model T and Mini T share in equal measure.

The bottom line is this: the Mini T is a terrific speaker that can make even bad locations, standard electronics, and plain Jane computers sound wonderful. It is now my reference computer speaker, and I wouldn’t be surprised that for many others it will become their main system reference speaker.

Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spotlightaudio on 20 Jan 2014, 10:33 pm
So is the white finish an option on the Middle T , if so what is the up charge ? Thank You

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 20 Jan 2014, 10:47 pm
Do them in BLACK and they will sell out!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jan 2014, 11:03 pm
So is the white finish an option on the Middle T , if so what is the up charge ? Thank You

Hi

I just did this pair for a customer as a special and I do not think we can offer it though as the amount of labour is huge which doubles the cost of the speaker. 

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jan 2014, 07:22 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Model A Series Speakers


January 2014

Hi Folks

Please be advised that the Bryston Model A Tower Speaker Series is now available on our website – www.bryston.com

http://www.bryston.com/products/speakers/Model_A1_Column.html

http://www.bryston.com/products/speakers/Model_A2_Column.html

http://www.bryston.com/products/speakers/Model_A3_Column.html


We will be adding the Mini A bookshelf and two A Series matching Center Channels to the website shortly as well. 


JamesTanner
Bryston Ltd.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spence on 29 Jan 2014, 05:25 pm
I'm looking into buying a pair of Mini T, and from the reviews I've read, there's a $500 upcharge for real wood veneers. I got a quote from an authorized Bryston dealer and he quoted me a $1200 upcharge for a rosewood veneer. Can someone tell me which veneers are available at the $500 range? The website gives an option for your own custom finish, but gives no access to what is available. There are other speaker manufacturers around that will direct you to a website of available veneers for their speakers, but I haven't been able to get any concrete answers from anyone concerning the Bryston veneers. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Jan 2014, 05:39 pm
I'm looking into buying a pair of Mini T, and from the reviews I've read, there's a $500 upcharge for real wood veneers. I got a quote from an authorized Bryston dealer and he quoted me a $1200 upcharge for a rosewood veneer. Can someone tell me which veneers are available at the $500 range? The website gives an option for your own custom finish, but gives no access to what is available. There are other speaker manufacturers around that will direct you to a website of available veneers for their speakers, but I haven't been able to get any concrete answers from anyone concerning the Bryston veneers.

Hi Spence,

Sorry for the confusion.

The standard finishes available in Wood for an extra $500 are Natural Cherry, Boston Cherry and Black Ash finishes as well as Walnut which has recently become very popular. 

Rosewood is a premium beyond the standard wood charge and is an extra $500 for a total of $1000.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spence on 29 Jan 2014, 05:52 pm
Thanks James,
    So it's 4 finishes in vinyl, the same 4 finishes in wood for a $500 upcharge, and then higher costs for everything else depending on the type of veneer. That clears up my confusion!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Jan 2014, 05:58 pm
Thanks James,
    So it's 4 finishes in vinyl, the same 4 finishes in wood for a $500 upcharge, and then higher costs for everything else depending on the type of veneer. That clears up my confusion!

Correct  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Jan 2014, 03:20 pm
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 7:56 AM
To: contact@bryston.com
Subject: OCF –Bryston Mini T's

“Hi James

I had the opportunity to listen to a pair of your Bryston Mini T speakers. 

They have ruined me as now everything else (speaker wise) I listen to sounds pale in comparison. 

Well done on your foray into the speaker market.”

Charles Morrisey
Via the Bryston Contact Form

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Jan 2014, 04:26 pm
Hi Charles,

Thank you for your kind comments - I will pass them along.

Where did you hear the speakers?

James

Hi. 

Thanks for the reply.  Last weekend I was in Fredericton visiting friends, one of whom is Rick Bastedo who works for Cox Electronics.  He mentioned he had some speakers that were really worth auditioning, so I did.  I was amazed at the level of detail, the sound-stage and imaging. 

Overall, the sound the Model T's  produced was astonishing.  I have decided to buy a pair this Spring.
 
Best,
Charles Morrisey

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Timslim18 on 4 Feb 2014, 03:46 pm
Correct  :thumb:

james

Hi James:

The colour but not the type of finish is the issue in my situation.  In order to ensure a favourable WAF outcome, would a white vinyl veneer for Mini T's be a possible upgrade?     If so, what would be the Canadian dollar MSRP of the Mini T's in white?

Tim
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Feb 2014, 03:57 pm
Hi James:

The colour but not the type of finish is the issue in my situation.  In order to ensure a favourable WAF outcome, would a white vinyl veneer for Mini T's be a possible upgrade?     If so, what would be the Canadian dollar MSRP of the Mini T's in white?

Tim

Hi Tim,

If it is a standard White vinyl it would be similar in price.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Feb 2014, 07:47 pm
Hi Folks,

The first of a number of Middle T reviews on the way shortly:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94168)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Timslim18 on 5 Feb 2014, 04:06 pm
Hi Tim,

If it is a standard White vinyl it would be similar in price.

james

Am I asking too much... are white grills for the Mini T available as well?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Feb 2014, 06:31 pm
Am I asking too much... are white grills for the Mini T available as well?

Hi

We can do a custom grill for you if you like. :thumb:

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Feb 2014, 06:32 pm
Hi Folks,

First out of the gate for a review on the Bryston Middle T Speakers - INNER EAR  :thumb:

http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/short_sweet/Bryston_Middle_T.shtml

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Timslim18 on 5 Feb 2014, 09:16 pm
Hi

We can do a custom grill for you if you like. :thumb:

james

Thanks, James.  You and Bryston are the best!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: lan077 on 6 Feb 2014, 05:26 am
James I was comparing the pictures from the mini T center from the brochure and your website and they are  different. The website picture is a noticeably longer and deeper cabinet. Are they two different versions or is the website version still available?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Feb 2014, 11:36 am
James I was comparing the pictures from the mini T center from the brochure and your website and they are  different. The website picture is a noticeably longer and deeper cabinet. Are they two different versions or is the website version still available?  Thanks.

Hi,

The brochure is the correct version.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: lan077 on 11 Feb 2014, 11:53 pm
Hi,

The brochure is the correct version.

james

Darn, the original mini t center was gorgeous. Sorry I have to question why it got changed.   
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Feb 2014, 12:03 am
Darn, the original mini t center was gorgeous. Sorry I have to question why it got changed.

One of the very difficult things to do with a center because it is positioned horizontally as opposed to vertically (like the left and right speakers) is attaining the same polar dispersion on and off axis as the main speakers.  So the driver configuration/crossover/driver positioning etc. is critical to the get it right.  So in this case function determines form.  :thumb:

What did you like about the old version?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Alphonse on 12 Feb 2014, 03:03 am
James, are the Mini Ts sold only as pairs? Just wondering if you can buy 5 and a sub for 5.1 surround?

Thanks,

Al
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Feb 2014, 03:18 am
James, are the Mini Ts sold only as pairs? Just wondering if you can buy 5 and a sub for 5.1 surround?

Thanks,

Al

Hi Al,

Yes you can buy them individually.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Feb 2014, 11:11 am
Hi Folks,

Apparently the Bryston Mini T speakers had a good outing at a recent audio show in Germany  :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94616)

http://www.avitech.at/en/distribution/shows.php?showid=74

Thanks Al  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: lan077 on 12 Feb 2014, 10:35 pm
One of the very difficult things to do with a center because it is positioned horizontally as opposed to vertically (like the left and right speakers) is attaining the same polar dispersion on and off axis as the main speakers.  So the driver configuration/crossover/driver positioning etc. is critical to the get it right.  So in this case function determines form.  :thumb:

What did you like about the old version?

james

I liked the woofer layout was fairly wide and the overall cabinet design was elegant, but understand where you're coming from. Let me know by pm or email if any pre production models become available to be auctioned off or anything.  :thumb: 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Feb 2014, 10:40 pm
From: Matthew
Subject: Mini T
Date: February 14, 2014 at 4:28:51 PM EST
To: James Tanner <jamestanner@bryston.com>

James,

Hi there!

Loving the Mini T - cannot believe how good they are.

Getting the BDP-1 and BDA-2 and then these speakers has been astounding...music is HUGE - had forgotten that immediacy and drive that come from speakers that can handle power.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=94744)

I run the Mini t's in concert with 2 12" subs, so the system jams pretty good.

My question is around my current amp. I am driving the Mini T's with an (EDIT).

What do you guys recomend both in power and current, and also what models in Bryston lineup would you recommend - 4bsst2 get the job done?

Thanks for any help!!!

Matt
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gordon on 19 Feb 2014, 03:27 am
Am looking for a bookshelf sized speaker for two channel audio and the Mini A looks like it may fit the bill.

What is pricing (in Canada) and are there any comments from owners on the sound of the Mini A?

Appreciate any info.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Feb 2014, 04:39 am
Am looking for a bookshelf sized speaker for two channel audio and the Mini A looks like it may fit the bill.

What is pricing (in Canada) and are there any comments from owners on the sound of the Mini A?

Appreciate any info.

Hi Gordon

$2695 the pair in vinyl finish - The Mini A will not play as loud or go as low but there is definitely a family resemblance.  I want the T Series and the A Series to be an 'application' choice for our customers not a 'quality' choice,

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Feb 2014, 10:47 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Speaker Feedback


T's' Made for Rock!

Yes, I got the audio bug again and brought home a pair of T's in black ash.

Having them for a week now I can say they are broke in, long weekends are great for that!
Listening to Deep Purple- Made in Japan, an album I've been listening to since 73, 74'ish, I've never heard it sound so, Hard Rock like. Of course it's not just Made in Japan, but just about every recording except for compressed Dolby Digital crap on music videos.

The bass is deep, which is fundamental to a lot of songs for them to sound right. A couple of songs by the Police, Synchronicity I & II, stood out like 'wow' and I'm really not that keen on the Police.

The mid-range and highs have exceptional detail. Like you can even discern what Ozzy is mumbling in Black Sabbath-Gathered in their Masses, Blu-ray.

Thank You, James for making great ROCK speakers!

Mag



Thank you for the kind comments Mag - what the Model T's do well is handle huge amounts of power with very low distortion and that lack of dynamic compression is what you are hearing in your T's. 

Enjoy!!!

James

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gordon on 19 Feb 2014, 02:44 pm
Hi Gordon

$2695 the pair in vinyl finish - The Mini A will not play as loud or go as low but there is definitely a family resemblance.  I want the T Series and the A Series to be an 'application' choice for our customers not a 'quality' choice,

james

Thanks James, but isn't that the same price as the Mini T?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Feb 2014, 11:33 pm
Thanks James, but isn't that the same price as the Mini T?

Sorry I screwed up  :duh:

The Mini A's are $1200 the pair.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gordon on 20 Feb 2014, 01:13 am
Sorry I screwed up  :duh:

The Mini A's are $1200 the pair.

james

$1200 sounds better, thanks. Someone from Whitby Audio is talking with Bryston for me about order lead times on the Mini A in real wood finish. I'm hopeful it's days not weeks?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Feb 2014, 01:38 am
$1200 sounds better, thanks. Someone from Whitby Audio is talking with Bryston for me about order lead times on the Mini A in real wood finish. I'm hopeful it's days not weeks?

Hi Gordon

I think we only have Boston Cherry in real wood in stock.  there has been a real run on the Mini T's lately. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Feb 2014, 01:39 am
Hi Gordon

I think we only have Boston Cherry in real wood in stock.  There's been a real run on the Mini T's lately. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Matt501 on 25 Feb 2014, 09:25 pm
Not sure if this is the right place to post this, I may start a new thread as well...I was hoping for some input from Mini T owners on their thoughts regarding an MA7900 (Mac Integrated) vs a 4bsst2 and BP6 combo for the mini t's

I am looking at these two options and they both cost about exactly the same, are the same height (stacked) - I need to be under 8" to fit into their intended home.

Bryston is way more power output (500wpc into 4ohm vs Mac's 200) and none of the additional features of the Mac (I already have the bryston dac and digital player front end) and don't need a MM/MC stage.

Have people heard the two? How does the BP6 sound?

Driving Bryston Mini t speaker (86db - 4ohm)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gordon on 25 Feb 2014, 10:01 pm

Hi James - I am referring to the MINI A's. AAAAA! :icon_lol:

Placed an order at Whitby Audio and their feedback is approx 4 weeks for Boston Cherry wood.

Will post comments as soon as I can get them set up.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Feb 2014, 10:27 pm
Hi James - I am referring to the MINI A's. AAAAA! :icon_lol:

Placed an order at Whitby Audio and their feedback is approx 4 weeks for Boston Cherry wood.

Will post comments as soon as I can get them set up.

OK great - look forward to your comments.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: servingko on 25 Feb 2014, 11:33 pm
I have a BP6 paired with the 4BSST2 and also had a BP26 as well as a B100SST to compare the preamp section of it as well.  I owned all of these at the same time and in the end preferred the BP6 for it's combination of sound quality and simplicity.  My interconnect runs are less than 1/2 meter and the balanced didn't offer any improvement in sound quality that I could detect over single ended on the BP26.

The BP26 was a little more detailed and had slightly better/tighter bass and was preferred on my collection of reference disks but in the end I liked the sound of the BP6 just as much while listening to music and not evaluating the equipment.  The preamp section of the B100(BP17) was also very nice but the presentation of the soundstage was a bit behind the speakers and in the end didn't appeal to me as much as the more forward presentation of the BP6 and BP26.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 28 Feb 2014, 08:15 pm
Hi James - I am referring to the MINI A's. AAAAA! :icon_lol:

Placed an order at Whitby Audio and their feedback is approx 4 weeks for Boston Cherry wood.

Will post comments as soon as I can get them set up.



interesting, Gordon. did you have a chance to compare the mini A's to the mini T's??

keep us updated, please!

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gordon on 28 Feb 2014, 11:45 pm


interesting, Gordon. did you have a chance to compare the mini A's to the mini T's??

keep us updated, please!

al.
Al, to my understanding there are no Mini A's in circulation yet. Hoping James can speed up my order so that I can share the good news on them  8).
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Mar 2014, 12:10 am
Hi Folks,

Received this from a customer who purchased a complete Bryston surround speaker system:

•   Model T Signatures - Front left/right
•   Model TC-1 Center
•   Model T’s Surrounds,
•   Model T Subs x 2


Hi James,

I spent a few hours listening to CDs with the Model T Signatures last night. Did not power on the subs or other speakers. I can't believe how good these sound right out of the box. Absolutely amazing! You have blown the doors off of the (EDIT) which I have really adored.

I am now a Bryston junkie!

UPDATE:
My neighbor helped me with the center setup and also helped me unpack the rear speakers. So I finally got to fire up 5.1. Without taking the time to tune with a sound meter, I put in a Blu-Ray and roughly tuned levels by ear. The surround is AWESOME. I'm hearing things I never heard before and the usual stuff is certainly sounding better. Now I need to have dinner, calm down, and really tune it.

I tuned the system with a sound meter after I sent you the above email and had dinner. Oh, my goodness! I was up to 2am listening/watching. It sounds really fantastic James. Thank you Thank you Thank you!

Best,
Marc
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 1 Mar 2014, 03:30 pm
Hi Folks,

Received this from a customer who purchased a complete Bryston surround speaker system:

•   Model T Signatures - Front left/right
•   Model TC-1 Center
•   Model T’s Surrounds,
•   Model T Subs x 2


Hi James,

I spent a few hours listening to CDs with the Model T Signatures last night. Did not power on the subs or other speakers. I can't believe how good these sound right out of the box. Absolutely amazing! You have blown the doors off of the (EDIT) which I have really adored.

I am now a Bryston junkie!

UPDATE:
My neighbor helped me with the center setup and also helped me unpack the rear speakers. So I finally got to fire up 5.1. Without taking the time to tune with a sound meter, I put in a Blu-Ray and roughly tuned levels by ear. The surround is AWESOME. I'm hearing things I never heard before and the usual stuff is certainly sounding better. Now I need to have dinner, calm down, and really tune it.

I tuned the system with a sound meter after I sent you the above email and had dinner. Oh, my goodness! I was up to 2am listening/watching. It sounds really fantastic James. Thank you Thank you Thank you!

Best,
Marc


Deep in the faith.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Mar 2014, 04:37 pm
Deep in the faith.

Yes I think people are surprised sometimes how much of a difference a quality speaker can make in their listening pleasure :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 1 Mar 2014, 08:01 pm
Yes I think people are surprised sometimes how much of a difference a quality speaker can make in their listening pleasure :thumb:

james

I was actually referring to how much Bryston gear in the system.  :thumb:. But ok.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Mar 2014, 08:10 pm
I was actually referring to how much Bryston gear in the system.  :thumb:. But ok.

Oh sorry - yes he has become a Bryston convert - he heard the system I had set up in Vegas and was mightily impressed  :thumb:

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Mar 2014, 12:57 pm
Hi Folks,

Got this today from one of the first Bryston Dealers to setup the new Model A1's and A3's in their soundroom  :thumb:

His comment - "James - Friggen Good!"

Ashley


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95892)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Mar 2014, 02:55 pm
Hi Folks,

Checking out the new Bryston A1 Speakers in SoundRoom 2  :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95973)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Mar 2014, 12:29 pm
Hi Folks,

Got this from one of our dealers :thumb:



Hi James,

Two things.

First: I have sold another pair of Middle T but I'm just waiting on confirmation from the girlfriend as to which finish.

Second: I'm also going to buy a pair! In light cherry I think... The Middle Ts are ruining me for other speakers. The price is right, they seem to be compatible with all amps and the full range sound is addictive!!!

James
Bryston Dealer


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96075)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gordon on 9 Mar 2014, 04:33 pm
Still waiting (patiently  :roll:) for a pair of Mini A's that I have on order from Whitby Audio. Has anyone had a chance to hear them yet?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Mar 2014, 04:52 pm
Still waiting (patiently  :roll:) for a pair of Mini A's that I have on order from Whitby Audio. Has anyone had a chance to hear them yet?


Hi Gordon - just me - have a pair in my office - first of their kind.

What is the rest of the system you are using with them?

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gordon on 9 Mar 2014, 06:00 pm
Mac based running Audirvana into a Bel Canto pre/DAC (just waiting for the pending Bryston all in one!) into an Exposure dual mono power amp (80 per channel). Have been using B&W floorstanders, Dynaudio and Castle stand mounts. I really do like the stand mount set up best and have used REL and Dynaudio subs. Can't wait to see how the Mini A's work out!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gordon on 9 Mar 2014, 08:56 pm
Mac based running Audirvana into a Bel Canto pre/DAC (just waiting for the pending Bryston all in one!) into an Exposure dual mono power amp (80 per channel). Have been using B&W floorstanders, Dynaudio and Castle stand mounts. I really do like the stand mount set up best and have used REL and Dynaudio subs. Can't wait to see how the Mini A's work out!

Sorry, meant to show as a quote in response to James re the Mini A's.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Mar 2014, 12:47 pm
Hi Folks,

New setup in Sound Room 3 - Middle T speakers, 10B Crossover, Pair of 7B's and 2 Subs.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96198)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96199)


james



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Mar 2014, 02:27 pm
Hi Folks,

Got this today from a very experienced high end dealer about the Bryston Model T Speakers.


From: AUDIO EXCELLENCE
Sent: March-11-14 8:58 AM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: Bryston Model T’s

Hi James,
 
The Bryston Model T speakers sound quite amazing. Very impressive for your first try. One of my big complaints about high end speakers is that they don't have full range bass for prices even up to $15,000. In our room with 30' ceilings (false acoustic tiles at 9'), the speakers easily fill the room. Center image is very sharp, soundstage is wide. Clarity is easily as good as your competition. Certainly a superb speaker.
 
I think you have a winner in this speaker
 
Congrats, I mean it!
 
Best wishes,
Adrian
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JeffO on 11 Mar 2014, 06:27 pm
Hi Folks,

New setup in Sound Room 3 - Middle T speakers, 10B Crossover, Pair of 7B's and 2 Subs.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96198)



james

James,

Given how good the bass on the middle T is, what frequency do you set the crossover to the sub?  Do you really need the sub or do you use them just to show off? 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 11 Mar 2014, 06:32 pm
Hi James,

Do you have any online documentation on the crossover that comes with the active T's?

I'd like to know whether it's useful/possible to buy/use it with the signature version having a future upgrade in mind. And whether it goes alongside or replaces the use if my 10bsub crossover .

Cheers
Marius
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Mar 2014, 06:55 pm
Hi James,

Do you have any online documentation on the crossover that comes with the active T's?

I'd like to know whether it's useful/possible to buy/use it with the signature version having a future upgrade in mind. And whether it goes alongside or replaces the use if my 10bsub crossover .

Cheers
Marius

Hi Marius,

The Model T Active crossover I only have in prototype form at this point as I am playing around with different DAC's.  The crossover will be dedicated to the Model T's as we are doing some very unique things in the crossover/driver design on the T's. 

I recommend that customers buy the Model T Signatures now if they are thinking of upgrading to an Active system sometime in the future.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 11 Mar 2014, 07:06 pm
Hi James

Thanks
Understood, but I was thinking of the option to order the signatures with the active crossover, and only upgrading the amps in the future ...

Or isn't that possible? Don't mind to wait a bit longer for the prototype to become the product ;-)

Marius

Hi Marius,

The Model T Active crossover I only have in prototype form at this point as I am playing around with different DAC's.  The crossover will be dedicated to the Model T's as we are doing some very unique things in the crossover/driver design on the T's. 

I recommend that customers buy the Model T Signatures now if they are thinking of upgrading to an Active system sometime in the future.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Mar 2014, 07:15 pm
Hi James

Thanks
Understood, but I was thinking of the option to order the signatures with the active crossover, and only upgrading the amps in the future ...

Or isn't that possible? Don't mind to wait a bit longer for the prototype to become the product ;-)

Marius

Yes the Active will be a long way out at this point as we are up to our ears in other projects.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: JeffO on 12 Mar 2014, 03:15 pm
James,

Given how good the bass on the middle T is, what frequency do you set the crossover to the subs?  Do you really need the subs or do you use them just to show off?

Bump this question for James.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Mar 2014, 03:30 pm
Bump this question for James.

Sorry I missed this question:

Yes the first picture was the Middle T's with the crossover as I was using the subs with the Mini A's and the Mini T's in that room.  Now that I have had time with the Middle T's the Subs have been removed.

james

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96269)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gordon on 12 Mar 2014, 04:38 pm
Sorry I missed this question:

Yes the first picture was the Middle T's with the crossover as I was using the subs with the Mini A's and the Mini T's in that room.  Now that I have had time with the Middle T's the Subs have been removed.

james

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96269)

Hi James
Any photos of the Mini A's in action? I figure a photo and a comment or two will help pass the time until mine are ready. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Mar 2014, 05:01 pm
No Sorry I took them into work for my office system.

Did you order the Walnuts?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gordon on 12 Mar 2014, 07:26 pm

Did you order the Walnuts?
james

I picked the Boston Cherry.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 12 Mar 2014, 09:14 pm
No Sorry I took them into work for my office system.

Did you order the Walnuts?

james

...what is your office system, James?

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Mar 2014, 09:24 pm
...what is your office system, James?

al.

Hi al

B135 , BDA2, BDP2 BHA-1 and Mini A's.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 12 Mar 2014, 11:25 pm
James nice office system!!! You guys hiring??
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Mar 2014, 07:56 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini A Speaker – Dealer Feedback

March 2014


Greetings Bryston:

Well I received the Mini A loudspeakers today and I'll be honest I was quite nervous un-boxing them as I kept thinking this is only $1250 a Pair - really how good can they be?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96345)

I have listened to hundreds of speakers at this price point and never been floored like this - WOW !!!! …

Now if I did not know the price my first thought would be those sound great but how much are they???

Well again James you have blown me away… job well done I give this a 10 and at this price the competition should quite a bit nervous with the new kid on the block this Bryston speaker is a knock out....

And not a little punch a total uppercut BAM and a 20year warranty!!!!! 

GREAT JOB JAMES!


Ash
Smiths Audio
Lethbridge
CANADA

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gordon on 15 Mar 2014, 12:12 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini A Speaker – Dealer Feedback

March 2014


Greetings Bryston:

Well I received the Mini A loudspeakers today and I'll be honest I was quite nervous un-boxing them as I kept thinking this is only $1250 a Pair - really how good can they be

I have listened to hundreds of speakers at this price point and never been floored like this - WOW !!!! …

Now if I did not know the price my first thought would be those sound great but how much are they???

Well again James you have blown me away… job well done I give this a 10 and at this price the competition should quite a bit nervous with the new kid on the block this Bryston speaker is a knock out....

And not a little punch a total uppercut BAM and a 20year warranty!!!!! 

GREAT JOB JAMES!


Ash
Smiths Audio
Lethbridge
CANADA


They exist!! Great to hear some news on the Mini A's, thank you Ash. If I could get to Lethbridge I'd be there tomorrow for a listen.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Mar 2014, 09:57 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T Speaker – Feedback

March 2014


Hi James

Received my Bryston Mini T speakers the other day.

Bravo! ...  Cheers! ...  Love them!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96644)

You Bryston guys really know how to make good music!

The music is all there, and for the money, makes other speaker companies look silly for what they ask.

Cheers

John A Chen
Director of Sales
Grado Labs

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Mar 2014, 06:05 pm
Hi again James

I sound like a broken record but now after giving all the Bryston Model A speakers a fair listen and with lots of feed back for my customers this is a hit.  Everyone is so positive and the presents of all the speakers is fab... It's sad that every other company can't get it right you have honestly nailed it....

All good things come in time and well the time has come JAMES AND Bryston have done it again!

Ash
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Mar 2014, 09:07 pm
Hi James

Have all the Model A’s set up in the store and I was playing the A2’s and just wish to say the A2 is a JBL killer for sure and it is still a refined sound so playing anything like Norah Jones or James Taylor to AC/DC it kicks ass!

The best comment just happened here I had a customer walking around looking for an inexpensive stereo receiver and he appeared to be distracted.  I am playing the A2s with a 4B in the background and he kept looking like he was lost finally he says where is the person playing the piano!!! 

Well I was playing The Piano Guys and he was looking high and low for a piano! – LOL.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=96694)

Proud Bryston Dealer

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Mar 2014, 02:05 am
From: yves
Subject: Re: OCF - b-135 integrated vs middle t speakers
Date: March 27, 2014
To: James Tanner

Hi James,

i’ve got my brand new MiddleT speakers I bought at Audioville,

i don`t what to say,just incredible!

The sound,the finish, in French we say ``malade``I wish and i am sure you’ll have a big success with this speakers,what ever the MiddleT or the others models.

Thank you.

Yves

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Mar 2014, 09:10 am
Hi Bryston,

I've owned a pair of Middle T's for a few months now and over that period of time several friends have had a chance to hear them.

The phrase I hear most often (after turn it up a bit) is "They are so clear". By that they mean you can hear everything. Nothing is obscured and you don't have to stain to hear it. Old records sound new again because your picking up on a lot of little things that have been buried in other speakers. Now I'm looking at getting a 4BSST2. I have a tendency to turn up the volume a bit more than usual because of how good they sound that my 3BSST clips. Really its not a bad problem to have.

Well done Bryston!! Killer speakers.

Dave Herman

16 March at 11:02
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Apr 2014, 12:46 am
Mark's Model T's

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=97193)

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gdayton on 2 Apr 2014, 07:21 pm
Woah! That rosewood is looking nice!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 5 Apr 2014, 05:25 pm
Mark's Model T's

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=97193)

james

This looks fantastic.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 5 Apr 2014, 05:34 pm
Hi james

Been trying to find on the Bryston Web Site all the Finishes available on the speakers without much luck.
1oldguy could use a link if possible.
On the middle T,the pictures on the site,second from the left...Wondering what is the name of that finish?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Apr 2014, 06:23 pm
Hi james

Been trying to find on the Bryston Web Site all the Finishes available on the speakers without much luck.
1oldguy could use a link if possible.
On the middle T,the pictures on the site,second from the left...Wondering what is the name of that finish?

Thank you.

Hi

Here are the standard finish options.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=97345)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 5 Apr 2014, 09:30 pm
Hi James

Thanks for posting this.

I am still not sure about the finish I see once you go on the Bryston site and look at the Middle T pictures.The second from the left is beautiful but not sure what it's called. :duh:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Apr 2014, 01:05 am
Hi James

Thanks for posting this.

I am still not sure about the finish I see once you go on the Bryston site and look at the Middle T pictures.The second from the left is beautiful but not sure what it's called. :duh:

That was a custom ebony finish

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 6 Apr 2014, 01:11 am
That was a custom ebony finish

james
Thank You James

Is it still possible to have this finish if one so chooses?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Apr 2014, 01:34 am
Thank You James

Is it still possible to have this finish if one so chooses?

Yes but there is a surcharge of about 15%

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 6 Apr 2014, 01:37 am
Yes but there is a surcharge of about 15%

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 6 Apr 2014, 01:38 am
may I ask what the particular name of this Ebony ?Last thing I would want is the wrong version.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Apr 2014, 01:44 am


Hi

It was just called ebony and the customer sent us a wood sample to match.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 6 Apr 2014, 03:08 am
James,
What is the finish on the model Ts in your signature?
It looks like the baffle is different than the sides too.
Bill
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Apr 2014, 09:33 am
James,
What is the finish on the model Ts in your signature?
It looks like the baffle is different than the sides too.
Bill

Hi Bill

Walnut but all the same color.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: brwsaw on 6 Apr 2014, 09:43 am
The walnut looks very nice.
I also like the custom green axiom did a few months back. They had a picture of it posted on their blog. It had my name all over it.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Apr 2014, 10:54 am
Hi Bill

Here's a better shot of it.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=97373)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 6 Apr 2014, 03:05 pm
Very nice James!
Standard color?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Apr 2014, 04:33 pm
Very nice James!
Standard color?

Hi

Its an option - standard currently is Black Ash, Boston Cherry and Natural Cherry.

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Apr 2014, 09:23 am
A while ago, Inner Ear Editor Ernie Fisher wrote a "Short & Sweet" review of the Bryston Mini-T loudspeaker.

We just received this review from Allen Edelstein, gave it a read and found it to be a very interesting take on the Mini-T and thought we'd post it Allen Edelstein. Click the link to read the complete unedited review - probably the longest review we have ever published over the last twenty-five years but the Mini T deserves it. We hope you enjoy it.

http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/speakers/Bryston_Modet_mini-T_Edelstein.shtml
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Apr 2014, 02:24 pm
Hi Folks,

Bryston Subwoofer starting to impress the Pro Movie Studio market:

Dear James,

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=97497)

I watched a movie with an interesting sound track/score last night (The Place Beyond The Pines by Derek Cianfrance). It was my first movie with the new soffit mounted speaker/Bryston Mini T subwoofer set up. I watched the movie with Natalie last night and we agreed that it sounded awesome - the best our room has sounded for film and TV, accurately reproducing the sound of a movie or film mixing theatre.

The Bryston Mini T Sub has a lovely, unobtrusive character that reveals itself with both quiet and loud passages. I don't think I would have been able to pull off the switch to soffit mounted speakers at home with a lesser sub. All speakers a now set to small, so the sub doing all the work below 80hz. The integration between the Bryston Mini T-sub and my small front wall speakers is excellent, especially noticeable with the centre speaker. This is no small feat!

Thanks so much for helping me explore, discover and build great audio environments for both music and cinema. I'm very excited to hear how my new TV show Penny Dreadful (for Showtime in the U.S.) translates to home. We're about three episodes into creating the sound for the first season. It's going to be something special. I can't wait for you to hear it.

David McCallum
Tattersall Sound & Picture

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gordon on 11 Apr 2014, 02:38 am
James, am trying to find dimensions on the Mini T Subwoofer and pricing.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Apr 2014, 03:38 am
James, am trying to find dimensions on the Mini T Subwoofer and pricing.
Thank you.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=97548)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=97549)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=97550)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: srb on 11 Apr 2014, 05:19 am
Frequency response specs are not too meaningful without a stated deviation.  The majority are specified with a +/- 3dB.  Are these Bryston subwoofer specs also +/- 3dB or something else?

Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 11 Apr 2014, 11:32 am
Frequency response specs are not too meaningful without a stated deviation.  The majority are specified with a +/- 3dB.  Are these Bryston subwoofer specs also +/- 3dB or something else?

Steve

Would like to know that as well. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Apr 2014, 02:20 pm
Hi Folks,

Subwoofer measurement is a very specialized and difficult measurement to make. Please see the link below for some info on how we design our subwoofers.

ftp://ftp.bryston.com/pub/tech-memos/Sub_Explaination.pdf

As for the measurements on the Model T Subs it is -3dB at the low end and 0dB at the top – so measurement would be expressed as -3dB/+0dB.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 11 Apr 2014, 02:59 pm
James
,,have you ever  tired a pair of mini-t's on top of a pair of mini-t subs?? :scratch:  If so how does it compare to the model T?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Apr 2014, 03:12 pm
James
,,have you ever  tired a pair of mini-t's on top of a pair of mini-t subs?? :scratch:  If so how does it compare to the model T?

Yes I have tried that with some isolation feet in-between the Mini and the Sub - worked really well but looks a little strange.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 11 Apr 2014, 05:14 pm
Do the Subs come with a just an amplification and volume only option? No Xovers or phase.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Apr 2014, 05:31 pm
Do the Subs come with a just an amplification and volume only option? No Xovers or phase.

There is a Phase control and a crossover that allows from 40Hz to 150Hz.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Apr 2014, 04:46 pm
Hi Folks,

Here is a French review of the Bryston Mini T speakers.  I will have an English translation shortly but have included the Conclusion in English for now.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=97632)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=97633)


In conclusion

The Bryston company had two major objectives in the design of their range of speakers, the first being to reproduce music naturally and precisely and second to ensure that its speakers can play a volume levels that capture the full musical scope of concert music without introducing distortion or dynamic compression.

A final specification from Bryston was to build a high quality speaker that was affordable.  It may be difficult for some of us to accept a bookshelf style speaker that costs more than $ 2,500 is considered " affordable," but when comparing the sound quality of Mini-T vis-à-vis to what other manufacturers offer, we immediately see that Bryston is really giving us a bargain!  Even adding the cost of a good pair of stands on which to place the Mini -T , the Mini T is capable of performance that can easily rival (if not exceed ) that of freestanding speakers and a price comparable with a guarantee 20 years Bryston . Well ...

The Bryston speakers really do create a ‘suspension of disbelief’. What we are trying to say here is that an audio system should ideally exceed the limits of the recording media and transport us to the stage as if in a live performance.

The aim sought by Bryston with Mini -T speakers is to offer its customers a higher level of disbelief ... Mission accomplished.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Apr 2014, 09:54 pm
James. Just visited Mark's home. They look stunning so the sounds.

Good work ~! .

Paul


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=97648)


Hi Paul

Yes I have had a number of Marks customers comment on how great they sound in his setup - He seems to like them a lot and believe me Mark has had some serious speakers over the years!!!!

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 12 Apr 2014, 10:57 pm
So is the white finish an option on the Middle T , if so what is the up charge ? Thank You

I agree...the white is really eye catching!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Apr 2014, 11:27 pm
I agree...the white is really eye catching!

Hi

Marks are natural Rosewood.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Apr 2014, 11:10 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T Review – HIFI ZINE


Conclusion:

“The Bryston Mini T speaker by name but not by nature, these speakers are true high-end products when it comes to sound.

Easy to place, offering accurate, smooth, highly satisfying sound, there is little to quibble about here. Partner with appropriately powered amps, feed them some music, then just enjoy the result!”

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=97663)

Complete review please click here:

http://www.hifizine.com/2014/04/bryston-mini-t-loudspeakers/
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 13 Apr 2014, 02:30 pm
Custom made for the model T's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewmGCdCLRsM
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Apr 2014, 07:17 pm
Hi Folks,

Another excellent review on the Bryston Mini T speaker.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3bK1YpaNjlJaTNqdjVyVE9TNWU5MlVyeHdmd3NKZ181Z3Q0/edit?usp=sharing

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Apr 2014, 11:21 pm
HI Folks,

Getting some Bryston Middle T speakers out there for reviews - coming soon!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98464)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98465)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98466)



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Apr 2014, 11:22 am
Re: Can These Speakers Image!

« Reply #1 on: Today at 06:20 am »
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Quote from: Mag on Yesterday at 09:49 pm

Listening to my Model T passives, I'm totally impressed with the imaging, let me tell you about it.

In my 25'x 11'x 8' room I have the speakers placed along the long wall approx. 10' apart. I have them reflecting off the back wall about 2' to the left & right of my seating position.

The direct sound, sounds like it's coming off the front wall in an 10'x 8' soundstage. This is just a phantom image but it sounds like a full powered speaker. The speakers are merely the boundary of this soundstage in which the sound is not localized.

Very impressive imaging, of course YMMV depending on the room. 8)


Hi Mag

Thank you for this post because it points out one of the main benefits of the Bryston speakers - and that is what we call the 'Family of Curves'. 

Which is - the frequency response is even all around the speaker - we do hundreds of measurements in the anechoic chamber both - vertically and horizontally - and make them as flat as possible in every direction.  This is sometimes referred too as the SOUND POWER and that is really what you hear when you place a speaker in a room. 

The walls and ceiling and floor are all contributing to this 'sound power' and if all those reflections are similar in tonal balance to the on-axis response of the speaker you end up with this huge soundstage where the room disappears :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Apr 2014, 12:45 am
Review of Bryston Signature T’s (L/R), Centre T, Model T (Rears) & dual Model T Subs

Marc Richman      4/27/14
 
I had been loyal to a famous high end loudspeaker manufacturer for 20 years, owning multiple of their products exclusively without disappointment. I had their top of the line products in my living room system driven by a Bryston SP3 and Bryston amps. But when I visited the Bryston room at CES 2014, I was literally blown away by the demo of the Middle T’s. I knew before leaving the room that I needed to bring home at least a pair to try. After browsing the brochure and a couple of emails with James, I decided a change more significant was in order. I took a large leap and replaced my hybrid stereo / home theater living room system with all Bryston Model T products. This ended up being a very wise decision.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98534)

Out of the box, the Signature T’s sounded just amazing. They sounded like a break-in was not needed, not what I am used to experiencing. I spent quite a bit of time listening to stereo music before I installed the other loudspeakers for surround duties.

The Centre T initial experience was a little different. It sounded good but a break-in period seemed like it was needed. After some fairly easy placement and tuning, I enjoyed the Bryston’s for a few weeks and experienced their gradual opening up during break-in. The break-in period was longer and more gradual than normal, but absolutely worth the wait. I now experience the same blown away experience nightly.

The Bryston model T series exhibits everything that one might expect in fine loudspeakers:

•   Outstanding clarity, imaging, musicality, and sound staging
•   Ability to “disappear”; project sonic images far beyond the enclosures
•   Hear details that you have not heard before, even from source material you have owned for decades (!)
•   Sound great at all volume levels
•   At ease with subtle content as well as those with large dynamics
•   Visually pleasing

I once attended a demo where I heard what is now one of my favorite expressions, “You should never be afraid of your stereo system”. While watching movies, I no longer need to have the volume control within reach in case of a large dynamic, the Bryston’s just continue singing. They seem to beg for more volume, especially with clean music content. C’mon, turn me up! I also don’t think the subs are capable of clipping, they just sit there and smile at you as they rock your house. When I have people over, I now get larger reactions than I am used to. The Bryston’s seem to blow everyone away.

James, you and the Bryston team have produced an exemplary set of products. Absolutely fantastic! Thank you for elevating my listening pleasure to a height I would never have imagined possible.

These are the finest loudspeakers I have ever owned, yet not the most expensive. And when paired with Bryston electronics and WireWorld cables, it is an experience not to be missed.

Respectfully,
Marc Richman
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 May 2014, 05:36 pm
I wanted to share my overall impression of the recent “growth” of my new system. 

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98765)

As I have expressed before, I am extremely happy with the combination of Bryston components and the addition of Stillpoints Ultra-5’s and the Analysis + cabling, power cords and interconnects.  I started this adventure with the purchase of the Bryston Middle T speakers and reference Analysis + products.  I appreciated the marked improvement with the new speakers, even while using my 90s vintage amp and pre-amp.  In my opinion, the Middle Ts represent great value for the money and perform significantly better than the speakers I was using (also 90s vintage) or anything else I had heard in that price range.  I did use the new Analysis + cabling with my old speakers and heard obvious performance improvements in them before hooking up my new Middle Ts. Between the new speakers and the improved cabling/interconnects/power cords, I was surprised at the improved sound quality I was getting out of my old equipment. 

The improvement took a significant jump once I added 8 Stillpoints Ultra-5’s to replace the spike feet I was using to support the Bryston Middle Ts.  I immediately noticed a much tighter and accurate bottom end, better separation of the bass, mid’s and hi’s and a more defined and dimensional sound stage.  Again, this is while still using my old equipment.  I would add that the adapters you provided allowed me to securely attach the Ultra-5’s to the Bryston speakers' outriggers, and I can now reposition the speakers much more easily than before.

I subsequently received the Bryston B-135 Integrated amp, and quickly enjoyed improved sound stage, separation, and a much better handling of the bottom end. Bass passages that had previously dropped off or were indiscernible mush suddenly had presence and definition; the hi’s and mid’s are very clean. 

Not long after, I added the Bryston Bit 15 power conditioner and was surprised yet again to almost immediately hear even better separation, tighter bass and expanded sound stage.

Finally, after getting used to listening to my new system with the incremental additions noted, I used 3 more Stillpoints Ultra-5’s to support the Bryston B-135 and again immediate improvements were noted; primarily a further expansion of sound stage dimension and yet more distinction between the instruments and vocals being presented. 

I have been attending quite a few live performances of late, and am consequently very impressed with how accurate and natural this new system is. I enjoy closing my eyes while listening and “seeing” where the musicians seem to be positioned; I hear so much more from these recordings than ever before.  I  I look forward to the day when I have replaced my current system sound source, while decent, is not of the same caliber as this new equipment.  I am sure I will be surprised once again by the enhanced listening experience.

Norm

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 3 May 2014, 11:56 am
Very impressive.I wish i could hear them. :duh:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mav52 on 3 May 2014, 12:04 pm
Very impressive.I wish i could hear them. :duh:

Agree not a store within 1000 miles of my location that even carries Bryston speakers, they carry the amps but not the speakers. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 May 2014, 12:25 pm
Yes I know it is frustrating for some of our customers as not all Bryston dealers want to care the speakers. 

I am thinking I may appoint one or two national dealers that already carry the speakers to supply customers in market areas where the local Bryston dealer does not carry the speakers to service those customers.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 3 May 2014, 12:27 pm
Agree not a store within 1000 miles of my location that even carries Bryston speakers, they carry the amps but not the speakers.

Even if my local store had the mini T I have a feeling they would do very well in sales.
I had to buy my Bryston amps without demo so your a step ahead of me.Thankfully I chose wisely and would by my Bryston Amps all over again. 8)
Yes they are that good.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 May 2014, 12:31 pm
Even if my local store had the mini T I have a feeling they would do very well in sales.
I had to buy my Bryston amps without demo so your a step ahead of me.Thankfully I chose wisely and would by my Bryston Amps all over again. 8)
Yes they are that good.

Hi oldguy

Yes from Brystons point of view going forward dealers that do not support the product by at least having a minimal amount of demo product will no longer be considered a Bryston dealer.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 3 May 2014, 12:48 pm
Hi oldguy

Yes from Brystons point of view going forward dealers that do not support the product by at least having a minimal amount of demo product will no longer be considered a Bryston dealer.

james

Totally understandable.I have such a good feeling about the Bryston Speakers.Very frustrated about not hearing the mini t at least.
I really do think Bryston has a winner here with these speakers,if the amplifiers are any indication!Which are fantastic.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 May 2014, 01:08 pm
Totally understandable.I have such a good feeling about the Bryston Speakers.Very frustrated about not hearing the mini t at least.
I really do think Bryston has a winner here with these speakers,if the amplifiers are any indication!Which are fantastic.


Yes I think many dealers look at new speakers with a cynical eye and justifiably so but the Bryston approach is really one based on investigative science over many decades and listening experience over many years as well. So I do think we have something to offer our customers at prices most people can afford.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mav52 on 3 May 2014, 01:49 pm
I think that if a Bryston Dealers "tried" a few of the Bryston speakers they would be surprised by the reaction from their local customers, heck they might even sell a few...
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 May 2014, 02:08 pm
I think that if a Bryston Dealers "tried" a few of the Bryston speakers they would be surprised by the reaction from their local customers, heck they might even sell a few...

I agree and over time I am sure that will happen.  Fortunately the speakers are selling very well as is. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 3 May 2014, 06:19 pm
HI Folks,

Getting some Bryston Middle T speakers out there for reviews - coming soon!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98464)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98465)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98466)

Really looking forward to the review.Coming soon feels like a long wait.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 4 May 2014, 06:24 pm
Yes I know it is frustrating for some of our customers as not all Bryston dealers want to care the speakers. 

I am thinking I may appoint one or two national dealers that already carry the speakers to supply customers in market areas where the local Bryston dealer does not carry the speakers to service those customers.

james


what about overseas dealers, James??

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 May 2014, 06:29 pm

what about overseas dealers, James??

al.

Hi Al,

Have not figured that one out yet as I really do not have any direct control.  What is working so far is having the closest distributor to the non-carrying distributor handle the sale.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 4 May 2014, 06:35 pm
...maybe you wanted to say 'the non-carrying dealer' instead of 'non-carrying distributor'?

or did i understand something wrong?

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 May 2014, 07:26 pm
...maybe you wanted to say 'the non-carrying dealer' instead of 'non-carrying distributor'?

or did i understand something wrong?

al.

Hi Al

No I meant the Distributor that handles the speakers deal with the customer through one of his (carrying distributors) dealers.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 May 2014, 11:19 am
My current room 2 setup:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98930)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 May 2014, 11:35 am
Rm 3 setup:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98931)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98933)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 May 2014, 01:26 pm
RM 1 setup:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98942)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 5 May 2014, 11:23 pm
I wish I lived closer!Looks fantastic.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 7 May 2014, 12:56 am
Rm 3 setup:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98931)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98933)


james

Hi James

What color are these mini t's?

thanks
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 May 2014, 01:52 am
Boston Cherry,

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 8 May 2014, 12:22 pm
RM 1 setup:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98942)

James what is that in the centre of the picture. Is that a silver faced crossover?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 May 2014, 12:51 pm
James what is that in the centre of the picture. Is that a silver faced crossover?

Hi

Yes the 10B electronic crossover in silver.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: b5pt9 on 11 May 2014, 03:56 am
I haven't posted on AC in a long time which is a testament to how happy I've been with my IB1's and 7BSST2 setup.  But I'm getting the itch to upgrade / try some different speakers and PMC's pricing is now beyond my means.

James I know you're very familiar with PMC so would you mind giving your feedback on the Model T/Middle T compared to PMC IB1/2 in terms of bass extension, midrange clarity, imaging etc?


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 May 2014, 10:35 am
I haven't posted on AC in a long time which is a testament to how happy I've been with my IB1's and 7BSST2 setup.  But I'm getting the itch to upgrade / try some different speakers and PMC's pricing is now beyond my means.

James I know you're very familiar with PMC so would you mind giving your feedback on the Model T/Middle T compared to PMC IB1/2 in terms of bass extension, midrange clarity, imaging etc?

Hi b5

Well I had a pair of IB2's that I had modified to be Active and that was my reference when I was developing the Model T's.  What I always admired about the PMC's was there ability to handle dynamic contrasts and play at real world listening levels.  So I would say the Model T series is more alike than different than the PMC's.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=99225)

The philosophy is a little different in terms of the on and off axis energy and sound power concept and the transmission-line vs ported bass system but I would say bass extension is very similar and clarity through the mids and top end very, very close in overall character.  Both are very neutral speakers and that was important to me.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 11 May 2014, 03:36 pm
Hi James

Couple of questions I'd like to ask.

The power rating for a given speaker.Say from 50 to 250 watts for example.
1)How is it measured?
2)Is there a universal way for all company's to make this measurement?
3) Is there any allowances to measure in different ways to come do a different maximum wattage for given speaker?
4) Can Power Handling be different if say 2 speakers by different companies who make a speaker rated for the same wattage be different?Basically can
one speaker design handle power better than another if both are rated for the same wattage?

Thank James.   
   
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 May 2014, 06:29 pm
Hi James

Couple of questions I'd like to ask.

The power rating for a given speaker.Say from 50 to 250 watts for example.
1)How is it measured?
2)Is there a universal way for all company's to make this measurement?
3) Is there any allowances to measure in different ways to come do a different maximum wattage for given speaker?
4) Can Power Handling be different if say 2 speakers by different companies who make a speaker rated for the same wattage be different?Basically can
one speaker design handle power better than another if both are rated for the same wattage?

Thank James.   
 

Hi Brandon

I will ask engineering on that one but generally a power handling spec is useless without a stated distortion number at a specific dB level.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 11 May 2014, 07:39 pm
Hi Brandon

I will ask engineering on that one but generally a power handling spec is useless without a stated distortion number at a specific dB level.

james

Thanks James

I am thinking that many manufactures of speakers don't  list the SPL because they aren't that high.
Brystons speakers does list the SPL and quite high at that. :duel: 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 May 2014, 08:57 pm
Hi James

Couple of questions I'd like to ask.

The power rating for a given speaker.Say from 50 to 250 watts for example.
1)How is it measured?
2)Is there a universal way for all company's to make this measurement?
3) Is there any allowances to measure in different ways to come do a different maximum wattage for given speaker?
4) Can Power Handling be different if say 2 speakers by different companies who make a speaker rated for the same wattage be different?Basically can
one speaker design handle power better than another if both are rated for the same wattage?

Thank James.   
 
From Engineering:

Power Testing of Speakers


Hi James,
 
The way we measure it is to run the speaker with real music for 100 hours at 1.5 times the rated power without breaking.  I do not know of anyone else that does it this way. 

The one that is more common in the industry is 5 hours of modified pink noise without breaking the driver but this to is more of a thermal test only and does not pick-up much in the way of mechanical pounding. 

The most common by far is for someone in marketing to make up the number; LOL.  So in answer to 4), it is all over the map and quite likely not a number that can be reliably compared ever. 

The other one that is really good in my view is the burst power to see where ‘compression’ starts.  We do this one also but it doesn’t tell you that the speaker can actually survive for any length of time in the real world at this power level.  What would be the ultimate would be to do all three and use the lowest one.  I would say that will always be the 100 hour test because that meets all the above criteria and gives you a real world reference point.
 
The minimum power that is really just an estimate based on where you will get a reasonable listening level in a smallish room.
 
Ian

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 13 May 2014, 12:48 am
Thank You James

Very insightful.Reaffirms  my faith in Bryston,not that it was ever in doubt.
More because I enjoy knowing to what extent that Bryston over achieves in the audio word.
So Bravo Bryston!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 May 2014, 02:38 pm
Happy customer!

James



-----Original Message-----
From: Marc [mailto:ejack_9401@comcast.net]
Sent: May-12-14 9:51 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Thank you sir!

James

Thanks again for a fantastic day. I was expecting just a brief tour and lunch, not to take your entire afternoon. That was most generous.

Those demos were fabulous and thanks for the opportunity to visit your house.

Best
Marc

Thanks (Sent from mobile phone)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 15 May 2014, 01:15 am
Hi James

Question for you regarding the covering on the Bryston speakers.

There is the Vinyl as well as real wood veneer.
The question is for rosewood that is considerably more expensive,.Would this be
a veneer or is this wood used solid rosewood(The full thickness of wood used)?

Thank you
James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 May 2014, 01:31 am
Hi James

Question for you regarding the covering on the Bryston speakers.

There is the Vinyl as well as real wood veneer.
The question is for rosewood that is considerably more expensive,.Would this be
a veneer or is this wood used solid rosewood(The full thickness of wood used)?

Thank you
James

Hi

Yes Rosewood is more expensive than regular wood but it is real wood not vinyl.  Speakers are not made with real wood all the way through.  It is a vinyl or wood veneer over pressed wood fiber.  Real wood throughout is not generally used as it has a more pronounced resonance at a given frequency based on the density of the specific wood.

There is no performance difference between real wood and veneer versions - it is cosmetic only.  The Model T series is real wood and the Model A series is veneer but can be special ordered in wood.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Timslim18 on 15 May 2014, 08:23 pm
Hi

We can do a custom grill for you if you like. :thumb:

james

Hi James:

Are the Bryston Mini-T stands available in white?  Can they be made at a custom height (several inches taller than the standard height)?

If so, do I place the order through you?

Kindly advise.  Thanks,

Tim
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 May 2014, 09:02 pm
Hi James:

Are the Bryston Mini-T stands available in white?  Can they be made at a custom height (several inches taller than the standard height)?

If so, do I place the order through you?

Kindly advise.  Thanks,

Tim

Hi Tim

They can be made to a custom height but sorry not in White.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Timslim18 on 15 May 2014, 09:09 pm
Hi Tim

They can be made to a custom height but sorry not in White.

james

Can they be sold unpainted or with just a base coat and I have them painted?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 May 2014, 09:25 pm
Can they be sold unpainted or with just a base coat and I have them painted?

I will ask.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 19 May 2014, 09:48 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T Review – HIFI ZINE


Conclusion:

“The Bryston Mini T speaker by name but not by nature, these speakers are true high-end products when it comes to sound.

Easy to place, offering accurate, smooth, highly satisfying sound, there is little to quibble about here. Partner with appropriately powered amps, feed them some music, then just enjoy the result!”

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=97663)

Complete review please click here:

http://www.hifizine.com/2014/04/bryston-mini-t-loudspeakers/


Hi James

Is it just my eye or is this a different looking tweeter than what I see pictured currently  on the Bryston web site?
If so,what if anything is different about tweeter?
Just curious about all things Bryston. :peek:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 May 2014, 10:08 pm
Yes we developed and started using a new tweeter about a month ago.

The new tweeter has 4 major changes:

1.   A die-cast aluminum face plate for both better rigidity and for cooling. It functions as a heat sink for the tweeter.
2.   A new horn design to provide smoother off-axis response above 12 kHz,
3.   A larger rear chamber that lowers the resonance frequency further below the crossover region.
4.   The new tweeter can also handle significantly more power than the older version.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 19 May 2014, 10:20 pm
Thank You James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sweetspot on 20 May 2014, 12:12 pm
James, Was the change to a different tweeter, confined to the mini T , or is this across the the whole line ?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 May 2014, 12:44 pm
James, Was the change to a different tweeter, confined to the mini T , or is this across the the whole line ?

Hi

Across the whole line.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: ellsworth on 21 May 2014, 02:31 pm
Hi James, you knew this question was coming - is it possible to upgrade the existing speaker models to use this new tweeter? 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 May 2014, 03:51 pm
Hi James, you knew this question was coming - is it possible to upgrade the existing speaker models to use this new tweeter?

Yes  :thumb:

New tweeters are $90.00 each.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: HsvHeelFan on 21 May 2014, 05:03 pm
90 bucks for a tweeter is a bargain!  I paid 125 each for KEF tweeters when my pre-Bryston integrated amp fragged my KEF's.

The KEF tweeter is co-located in the middle of the midrange driver.  They were a bit of a pain to change out too.

HsvHeelFan

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 May 2014, 03:52 pm
Customer Feedback – Bryston Mini T Speakers

From: Matthew Helming
Sent: May-23-14 11:20 AM

Hi James

I can't believe how good the Mini T speakers are.

They embarrass other speakers...period...forget cost or size comparisons. They sound like a full range speaker, just in a compact cabinet. They need power to do their thing. I run them with subs crossed over and only really handling 35hz and below and the sound is fantastic. Get's me curious about the Bryston subs...

I really appreciate the Mini T's size/flexibility for the sake of placement (gives me a lot of options for sub placement). In a different or larger room I'd go with the towers - and I anticipate doing so...

I "sell" them to every friend I have because I want to see the line succeed.

I am truly impressed, and in for the long haul with Bryston speakers. I will be owning more...this design has hit the nail on the head for me - clean, clear, open, dynamic, no listening fatigue, and they don't care what you play - Rock, reggae, classical, accoustic, live, studio, it all sounds balanced and clean.

Additional kudos to BDP 1/BDA 2 - unbelievable front end

Look forward to hearing the new tweeter, though I've had no reason for complaint thus far!!!

Loving the gear!!

Matt
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 May 2014, 05:32 pm
Bryston Speaker – Dealer Feedback!

Bryston A2 Speaker


Hi James

Every now and then a surprise comes along—one that is both unexpected and beyond what you would expect.

This was certainly the case with the new Bryston A2 speakers.

The magnitude of their presentation from a modest cabinet was most unexpected! From the rich deep bass to the transparency of the snare rim shots these speakers just made music like Boz Scaggs’ Thanks to You come alive.

For anyone looking for a speaker in this price range I give my highest recommendation!

Sincerely,

David Puls
Pulsworks Audio Arts
david@pulsworks.com

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 24 May 2014, 11:40 am
Customer Feedback – Bryston Mini T Speakers

From: Matthew Helming
Sent: May-23-14 11:20 AM

Hi James

I can't believe how good the Mini T speakers are.





I am truly impressed,  they don't care what you play - Rock, reggae, classical, acoustic, live, studio, it all sounds balanced and clean.




Matt

This is what I feel is a mistake with many companies(Not so with Bryston of course)..Making a Loud Speaker that sounds great with one type of music and falling apart even a little with other types is to me a major failing.
Bryston from what I've read from many very happy customers have steered away from the one trick pony.While it is true there is no one perfect speaker, a speaker that caters to a narrow
type of music is not what I'm drawn towards.
Soon I too, will join the list of those happy customers with Brystons loudspeakers. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 25 May 2014, 07:31 pm
Yes it's been posted before but this review was so good I figured it should be read again. :thumb:

http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/speakers/Bryston_Modet_mini-T_Edelstein.shtml
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 May 2014, 03:00 pm
Hi Folks,

It’s great to get feedback from happy customers on our products but the attached is special as it is from one of our long time dealers and a gentleman that is very hard to please when it comes to speakers!!!

James Tanner


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100163)

MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston DEALER Feedback

 
Hi James,

I'm currently listening to a rather odd but exquisite performance of Sofia Gubaidulina's Canticle of the Sun. It's a very haunting sound, driven primarily by strings and percussion. I can really only listen to it when my mind is at peace :).

Here again, the Middle T delivers amazing purity of tone as well as astonishing resolution and presence of the percussion instruments. This piece is 75% micro dynamics and I believe such music demands a resolute three way design. Again, I have not heard another speaker do this music better (and I've heard a few!).

A customer of mine, who bought his Middle Ts at the same time as I, has them in front of a really top tier system--somewhere you might not normally find a $5400 speaker. He has commented a few times how beautiful his system is sounding --and he previously had a pair of world renowned monitor speakers which cost a fair chunk more than the Middle T.

It would be easy I think to pass the T series speakers as all slam and no finesse, at first glance. Such a response is the result of the many average to poor multi driver designs littered throughout the AV industry. The reality is the T series--the Middle T in particular-- is capable of astonishing inner beauty.

Call me a very happy customer :)


Thanks again,
James, Absolute Audio Video, Calgary
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 May 2014, 06:02 pm
Sent: May-29-14 1:43 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Speakers

Hello M Tanner.
 
We had the pleasure to me at the Montreal audio show me and my wife, M Russell took a picture of her in front of your Model T white.

Anyway I had the chance to listen to the Middle T, wow what a speaker, we really like the sound of it and the size. The bass is present, we don't have any frequencies that go over the others, very well made.
 
Can you tell me what kind of wood is the finish, because we are not sure about the colors you are offering, from what we saw at the audio show, the picture on the web site doesn't show the real color or effect from the wood.
 
I'm very happy with my Bryston amp and DAC, my next purchase gonna be the Middle T and the Mini center, I'm gonna wait the rear when you gonna come with your new back surround.
 
Thank you

Robert Caron
         
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sweetspot on 29 May 2014, 11:29 pm
Hi Folks,

It’s great to get feedback from happy customers on our products but the attached is special as it is from one of our long time dealers and a gentleman that is very hard to please when it comes to speakers!!!

James Tanner


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100163)

MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston DEALER Feedback

 
Hi James,

I'm currently listening to a rather odd but exquisite performance of Sofia Gubaidulina's Canticle of the Sun. It's a very haunting sound, driven primarily by strings and percussion. I can really only listen to it when my mind is at peace :).

Here again, the Middle T delivers amazing purity of tone as well as astonishing resolution and presence of the percussion instruments. This piece is 75% micro dynamics and I believe such music demands a resolute three way design. Again, I have not heard another speaker do this music better (and I've heard a few!).

A customer of mine, who bought his Middle Ts at the same time as I, has them in front of a really top tier system--somewhere you might not normally find a $5400 speaker. He has commented a few times how beautiful his system is sounding --and he previously had a pair of world renowned monitor speakers which cost a fair chunk more than the Middle T.

It would be easy I think to pass the T series speakers as all slam and no finesse, at first glance. Such a response is the result of the many average to poor multi driver designs littered throughout the AV industry. The reality is the T series--the Middle T in particular-- is capable of astonishing inner beauty.

Call me a very happy customer :)


Thanks again,
James, Absolute Audio Video, Calgary

James, Is this a typo in the price of the middle T at $5400? I thought I had read somewhere that it was $4500.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 May 2014, 12:03 am
James, Is this a typo in the price of the middle T at $5400? I thought I had read somewhere that it was $4500.

Hi

$4600 in Vinyl finish -  $5400 in real wood.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Jun 2014, 07:03 pm
NEW TWEETERS:

From: Mattias Biörs 
Sent: June-02-14 2:56 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: New Bryston Tweeter

Hi James,

I will try to explain my impressions so far although I am not a musician so I may not have the vocabulary.

The differences I recognize can be summarized as "more natural".
It is like letting the tweeter perform in a somewhat bigger room than before. More airy and therefore also a better complement to the mid. It feels like they are more on the same level somehow. Earlier the sound was a little more in the face (a little more obtrusive) and now it is more natural but still as detailed as before.

Once again do not get me wrong, the Middle T was a great speaker from the start. I am only talking about small details, which might even be only personal taste. I am so satisfied and will stick to my Bryston Middle Ts. I left my PMC journey and I do not intend to go back.

Best Regards,
Mattias Biörs
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Jun 2014, 10:07 am
Subject: Re: New tweeters
Date: June 2, 2014 at 9:19:08 PM EDT

Hi James

I would summarize the new tweeters in a few simple words - silkyness, airiness, and a much more natural and accurate presentation... jazz cymbals sound three dimensional now ..and vocals or speech sound much more natural and "right".

The new tweeters also blend beautifully with the other drivers in my opinion..the speakers are even more coherent and holistic now...and create a much deeper and well defined  soundstage ...in a nutshell - it draws you into the music now..and one forgets the equipment completely....;))

Cheers from Singapore !

Tom
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Jun 2014, 10:56 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: New Bryston Speaker Dealer


We would like to welcome ‘Engaged Audio’ in the U.S.A. as our latest Bryston Speaker Dealer.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100547)

www.Engagedaudio.com

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100548)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 5 Jun 2014, 10:05 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: New Bryston Speaker Dealer


We would like to welcome ‘Engaged Audio’ in the U.S.A. as our latest Bryston Speaker Dealer.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100547)

www.Engagedaudio.com

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100548)


james

Hi James,

I've been talking to Paul Kraft at Engaged for a couple months now.  When I saw he was a Bryston dealer a little over an hour from my house I contacted him to inquire as to whether he was considering carrying the Bryston speakers.  As you may recall, I've been pestering you for some time now about there being nowhere to audition them in the Northeastern US.  Just received an email from Paul that his Model T Passives arrived today.  As soon as he has them set up and settled in I'll be making an appointment to have a listen.

Congrats on adding a new dealer!

Bill
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Jun 2014, 11:17 pm
Hi James,

I've been talking to Paul Kraft at Engaged for a couple months now.  When I saw he was a Bryston dealer a little over an hour from my house I contacted him to inquire as to whether he was considering carrying the Bryston speakers.  As you may recall, I've been pestering you for some time now about there being nowhere go audition them in the Northeastern US.  Just received an email from Paul today that they arrived today.  As soon as he has them set up an settled in I'll be making an appointment to have a listen.

Congrats on adding a new dealer!

Bill

Thanks Bill - your commission check is on the way  :thumb:

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 6 Jun 2014, 02:35 am
Thanks Bill - your commission check is on the way  :thumb:

james

Being a lifelong sales guy like you, that's music to my ears (pun intended)  :lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jun 2014, 04:33 pm
All set ready to go James! :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100668)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100669)


Paul
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jun 2014, 05:45 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Welcomes Another Speaker Dealer


June  2014

We would like to welcome ‘Glubes AV’ in Nova Scotia’ as our latest Bryston Speaker Dealer.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100670)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100671)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: BrysTony on 6 Jun 2014, 05:50 pm
James,

It would be great to have a list of dealers that have the Bryston speakers on demo. 

Tony
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jun 2014, 10:50 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100689)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jun 2014, 02:52 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: DEALER FEEDBACK MODEL T SPEAKERS


June,  2014

Hi James,

The T's are sounding great!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100884)

Do you by any chance like Grado headphones and cartridges?

To me, the Grado sound has always been:  great bass, slightly "warm" midrange and highs, plenty of dynamics.  To me the T's sound as if Grado made a great set of floor-standing speakers :)

Driving them with the $20k, 300W Mark Levinson 532.  Bass is extended and tight.   Nice smooth transitions between the drivers.   Great off-axis response.  Mids and highs have a slight warm character to them.

I highly suspect these are a perfect match for your amps.  I'll have to grab a 4B for display soon....

Paul V Kraft
President
Engaged Audio Video

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jun 2014, 10:07 pm
Hi Folks

Got a copy of the preliminary review in Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity by John Johnson Jr - hows this for some great text!!!!

Full review showing all measurements should be up next week.

james



On the audio side however, this is definitely a heavyweight. It produces a huge soundstage, very low fall-off at off-axis listening positions, and a flat frequency response down to 20 Hz. You read that correctly: 20 Hz. This is one of the only speakers I have ever tested that does well in the bench tests at 20 Hz. So, you don't need a subwoofer (that doesn't mean you can't add a couple of subs to blow the windows out with movies if you wish).

I was simply amazed at the sound.

Bryston didn't cut any corners when they designed the Middle T. However, they did add some corners on the enclosure to minimize parallel surfaces that would cause standing waves inside. A rap with the knuckles on the enclosure indicates heavy damping, which minimizes resonance.

The Bench Tests were astounding.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jun 2014, 05:38 pm
Hi Folks,

Got this from the Middle T reviewer today:



Hi James

“The Middle T's outperform every full range speaker I have tested, with respect to the low end extension and wide dispersion.

I haven’t ever tested any speaker of any size whose woofer would go to 20 Hz in a flat response, as well as have distortion of less than 10%.

I don’t know how you did it!”

John E.  Johnson, Jr., Ph.D.
Editor-in-Chief
Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jun 2014, 11:31 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: - Quote -  “I WAS AMAZED AT THE SOUND”


June  2014

HI Folks,

Stellar review on the Bryston ‘MIDDLE – T’ speaker from the Secrets of Home Theater & High Fidelity Magazine:
 
Please ‘note’ not only the reviewers excellent listening observations but also the exceptional technical specifications and measurements of the “BRYSTON MIDDLE – T” loudspeakers.

My favorite quote from John is:

“They outperform every full range speaker I have tested, with respect to the low end extension and wide dispersion.

I haven’t ever tested any speaker of any size whose woofer would go to 20 Hz in a flat response, as well as have distortion of less than 10%.

I don’t know how you did it!”


John E.  Johnson, Jr., Ph.D.
Editor-in-Chief
Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity



Hi Folks,

Have a full 4 page PDF of the review - please email me if you want a copy - jamestanner@bryston.com
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jun 2014, 02:39 pm
From: Zoran Hrustic
Sent: June-18-14 9:57 AM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: Mini-T review @ Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity

Hi James,

Happy client from Singapore - got 2 weeks ago my 4 new tweeters on Signature large T's :) ... I can't say I did any comparisons but have a feeling its easier on my ears and it looks nicer :) Driven by bryston 4b-sst2 :)

I just enjoy it ... i loved how B&W 802Ds look ... but they cost twice as much or more and I know I'd long for fuller-range speaker ... anyhow - thank you for designing something which is what I'd call 'affordable' but Ive spent before 2/3rd of the cost of T's on speakers and difference is HUGE :) THANK YOU !!!  I just play and enjoy ... and maybe it sounds better when played louder, but to be honest, I love when I feel soundwaves hitting not only my ear-drums but my body too ;)

Though i don't need any more reviews to make a purchasing decision, I’d love to read how impressed SOHT&HF was  !

Thank you !

Best Regards,
zoran
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jun 2014, 10:45 am
Link to MIDDLE T Secrets review:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/floor-standing-speakers/floor-standing-speakers-reviews/bryston-middle-t-floor-standing-speakers-review.html

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 21 Jun 2014, 01:43 pm
Just have my Bryston speakers.the mini t's are in house awaiting to be hooked up.
The build quality is fantastic folks.They are really impressive to see.
My dealer wants to hear them  after I get them set up.I hope that after that the store here will carry them for other to hear.
Now to get things up and running.

really really pleased with Bryston and the Good people who run the ship.
There is no better service out there.trust me ...I know.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jun 2014, 01:54 pm
Just have my Bryston speakers.the mini t's are in house awaiting to be hooked up.
The build quality is fantastic folks.They are really impressive to see.
My dealer wants to hear them  after I get them set up.I hope that after that the store here will carry them for other to hear.
Now to get things up and running.

really really pleased with Bryston and the Good people who run the ship.
There is no better service out there.trust me ...I know.

Hi Oldguy

Thank you for the kind comments.  Most people are surprised as you were at the build quality given the price category that the Bryston speakers fall in to.  Wait till you hear them!!!!


james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jun 2014, 03:09 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Welcomes Another Speaker Dealer


June  2014

We would like to welcome ‘Performance Home Theatre,  Sanger California’ as our latest Bryston Speaker Dealer.



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=101344)


James


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Jun 2014, 03:20 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Welcomes Another Speaker Dealer


June  2014

We would like to welcome ‘EAR NETWORKS in NEW YORK’ as our latest Bryston Speaker Dealer:



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=101403)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jun 2014, 02:45 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Welcomes Another Speaker Dealer


June  2014

We would like to welcome ‘STUDIO HI-FI STORE in the Czech Republic’ as our latest Bryston Speaker Dealer:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=101436)

http://www.hifistore.cz
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jun 2014, 05:21 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Welcomes Another Speaker Dealer


June  2014

We would like to welcome ‘DEDICATED AUDIO in SCOTTSDALE ARIZONA’  as our latest Bryston Speaker Dealer:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=101493)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=101494)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jun 2014, 10:48 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: New Bryston Speaker Dealer


We would like to welcome ‘AUDIO EDEN’ in Aurora Ontario as our latest Bryston Speaker Dealer.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=101562)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=101563)
         
                                  http://www.audioeden.com/

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Jul 2014, 11:54 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: DEALER FEEDBACK


Jul 1, 2014


Hi James,

Here’s the Photo!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=101842)

I love the new sound of the Bryston Speakers.

The sound stage has expanded with a seamless smooth performance.

The Model T’s have an effortless energy that really leaves you feeling refreshed afters hours of listening.

Bryston speakers are a clear break through in Home Theater.

Thank You James Tanner


James Kliewer
Custom Home Theaters
USA
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Jul 2014, 09:47 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: - Bryston Speakers - Birth & Evolution


July  2014

HI Folks,

Please see below a link to a recent article about the birth and evolution of the Bryston Loudspeakers written by David McCallum.

http://www.myhifilife.com/2014/07/02/a-report-on-bryston-t-series-loudspeakers/

David is a 20-year audio professional who works as a Sound Designer and Supervising Sound Editor for films and television. A partner at Tattersall Sound & Picture in Toronto, David has traveled the world to practice his craft, spending time at studios in Paris, London, Sao Paulo, San Francisco, Reykjavík and Amsterdam.

David’s complete profile can be found here:

http://www.myhifilife.com/about/

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mobileusa on 3 Jul 2014, 12:12 pm
Very nice story, James...and avatar ;)

Robert
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 3 Jul 2014, 03:37 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: - Bryston Speakers - Birth & Evolution


July  2014

HI Folks,

Please see below a link to a recent article about the birth and evolution of the Bryston Loudspeakers written by David McCallum.

http://www.myhifilife.com/2014/07/02/a-report-on-bryston-t-series-loudspeakers/

David is a 20-year audio professional who works as a Sound Designer and Supervising Sound Editor for films and television. A partner at Tattersall Sound & Picture in Toronto, David has traveled the world to practice his craft, spending time at studios in Paris, London, Sao Paulo, San Francisco, Reykjavík and Amsterdam.

David’s complete profile can be found here:

http://www.myhifilife.com/about/


Great article!  I had the opportunity to audition the Model T passives last week and must say all of David's accolades as well as the many other reviews and postings I found to be true so I won't repeat them here.  If that's not enough the T's were standing right next to a pair of Revel Ultima Salon 2's.  I was able to A/B them point blank.  The Salons are a wonderful speaker and quite a piece of audio bling to be sure.  Although they do some things better, the T's more than hold their own in all categories at 40% the price of the Salons.  Their build quality is excellent and the standard Boston Cherry wood finish is beautiful.  Standing next to the Salons did not diminish either.

My short list to replace the Infinity 9 Kappas are the above two, Marten Django XL, ML Summit X or Montis and Acoustic Zen Crescendo.  I am now leaning heavily toward the T's.  That being said David commented near the end of his article that the Model T Signatures are the best sounding Bryston Speaker currently.  This begs the question for me as to what sound improvements the outboard X over makes over the passives.  I don't see ever going to the active upgrade so my decision as to whether to go with the passives or Signatures would be strictly sound quality.

If anyone can shed some light on this I sure would appreciate it.  I know it's been discussed before early on but I'm thinking by now more people have been able to compare the two.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Jul 2014, 04:25 pm
Great article!  I had the opportunity to audition the Model T passives last week and must say all of David's accolades as well as the many other reviews and postings I found to be true so I won't repeat them here.  If that's not enough the T's were standing right next to a pair of Revel Ultima Salon 2's.  I was able to A/B them point blank.  The Salons are a wonderful speaker and quite a piece of audio bling to be sure.  Although they do some things better, the T's more than hold their own in all categories at 40% the price of the Salons.  Their build quality is excellent and the standard Boston Cherry wood finish is beautiful.  Standing next to the Salons did not diminish either.

My short list to replace the Infinity 9 Kappas are the above two, Marten Django XL, ML Summit X or Montis and Acoustic Zen Crescendo.  I am now leaning heavily toward the T's.  That being said David commented near the end of his article that the Model T Signatures are the best sounding Bryston Speaker currently.  This begs the question for me as to what sound improvements the outboard X over makes over the passives.  I don't see ever going to the active upgrade so my decision as to whether to go with the passives or Signatures would be strictly sound quality.

If anyone can shed some light on this I sure would appreciate it.  I know it's been discussed before early on but I'm thinking by now more people have been able to compare the two.

Hi 95Dyna

Thank you for your kind comments on the Model T speakers.  I have tremendous admiration for Salons and their design parameters are very similar to ours.  I feel though as you said my goal with the Bryston speakers was to bring state of the art sound to our customers at a very affordable price point. :thumb:

The Signature Series gives you more flexibility going forward - the Active option of course - but also if the crossover changes over time it is a simple swap out or modification of the passive external crossover box rather than shipping the complete speaker back.  Performance wise the advantages of the external crossover are air core inductors (only relevant at very high power levels) and custom proprietary Bryston labelled capacitors. Performance wise under most setup conditions they are very close. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 3 Jul 2014, 07:15 pm
Hi 95Dyna

Thank you for your kind comments on the Model T speakers.  I have tremendous admiration for Salons and their design parameters are very similar to ours.  I feel though as you said my goal with the Bryston speakers was to bring state of the art sound to our customers at a very affordable price point. :thumb:

The Signature Series gives you more flexibility going forward - the Active option of course - but also if the crossover changes over time it is a simple swap out or modification of the passive external crossover box rather than shipping the complete speaker back.  Performance wise the advantages of the external crossover are air core inductors (only relevant at very high power levels) and custom proprietary Bryston labelled capacitors. Performance wise under most setup conditions they are very close. :thumb:

james

Mission accomplished, James  :thumb:  Thanks for your thoughts on the external vs. internal passive question.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 4 Jul 2014, 11:02 pm
Hi James,

If these sound like "buying" questions, well.......The specs list the Model T as 52.5 inches tall.  I'm assuming that measurement is from the bottom panel to top panel and the extra large outrigger would add height.  I also understand the outrigger feet are adjustable.  What is minimum height it adds and what is the adjustable range from minimum?  Additional height is not a bad thing for me.  I'm 6" 5" and like to stand a lot while listening (not on my head or I'd have to ask you to drill outrigger holes in the top of the speaker :lol:).

Also, what is the finish of the Model T Signature on page 1 and page 8 (same photo) standing on the hardwood floor in front of a 7B at the link below (Bryston brochure):

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/brochures/MODEL_T_A_BROCHURE.pdf

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Jul 2014, 11:24 pm
Hi James,

If these sound like "buying" questions, well.......The specs list the Model T as 50.5 inches tall.  I'm assuming that measurement is from the bottom panel to top panel and the extra large outrigger would add height.  I also understand the outrigger feet are adjustable.  What is minimum height it adds and what is the adjustable range from minimum?  Additional height is not a bad thing for me.  I'm 6" 5" and like to stand a lot while listening (not on my head or I'd have to ask you to drill outrigger holes in the top of the speaker :lol:).

Also, what is the finish of the Model T Signature on page 1 and page 8 (same photo) standing on the hardwood floor in front of a 7B at the link below (Bryston brochure):

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/brochures/MODEL_T_A_BROCHURE.pdf

Hi

I just measured mine and with the XL outriggers they are 53.5 inches tall.

The finish is the Walnut wood.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Jul 2014, 10:53 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Distributor Feedback - MINI A SPEAKER


Hello James,

The Bryston Model A Mini goes in the Bryston philosophy - the performance first. The speaker looks rather ordinary. It does not come with a grille* and you can see the hex screws protruding from the front panel (larger Bryston speakers look much nicer, though, especially in wood veneer).

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=101993)

But once your hear the speaker, you forget about this quickly. Mini A needs about 20 - 30 hours of burn-in. Then it presents an unbelievably clean and balanced sound. The bass range is definitely present and subjectively goes well below the 60 Hz specification stated. The range is very clean with no bass bloom or bass peaks, which are often used in small speakers to beef up the bass (at a cost of distortion and unevenness).

The midrange also has a surprisingly low distortion for this price range. In comparison with twice as expensive loudspeaker from a well respected manufacturer, the voices and instruments sounded clearly more natural and closer to their real sound.

The highs benefit from the use of the new version of Bryston tweeter, which could be found even in the top-of-the-range Bryston Model T. The spatial presentation of instrument images is great. The subjective sensitivity of the speaker is relatively low but it can play at quite high volume in a small room. The dynamic capability also goes beyond its price range.

In conclusion – again in the range of small bookshelf speakers, Bryston is again very successful with this Mini A loudspeaker!

Vaclav Skarda
Distributor, Czech Republic

*The Mini A speaker does have a grill available now.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jul 2014, 11:43 am
Hi Folks

The below comments are what in my opinion this business is all about  :thumb:

MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT:  Mini Ts have breathed new life into my recordings


July  2014

Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014
Subject: Speakers: Mini Ts

In January I had the good fortune (as it turned out) to be encouraged to audition a pair of Mini T speakers.

I admit that beforehand I was a bit skeptical as I'd always known Bryston primarily for it power amplification expertise.  Long story short is that once I head the Mini Ts there was no turning back. 

A few days ago I bought a pair of the Bryston speakers and they have changed the way I hear music.  Since buying the Mini Ts I've had a bit of time to listen to them and everything I remember from my January audition has come back in all of its textured and rich sonic detail. 

Simply put, these speakers make music soar.  The sound-stage they present the listener is deep, wide and perfectly balanced. The speakers give an amazing sense of presence to the music (as in you are there live).  One of the most enjoyable things the Mini Ts have done is breathed new life into my favorite recordings by presenting the music fully and as it was recorded with all of its nuance, power and dynamics. 

I am very glad I auditioned the Mini Ts, and I am extremely glad I now own a pair. 

Sincerely,
Charles Morrisey
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jul 2014, 01:09 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT:  Bryston Model T Speakers – GLOSS FINISH


July  2014

Hi Folks,

I am pleased to announce that we will be offering White and Black Gloss finishes on all our Model T Series speakers.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=102097)

White Gloss Model T’s Shown Above

As you may know Gloss finishes require much more labour as they require many multiple coats of paint to be applied and sanding and smoothing in between each coat. As a result there will be approximately a 40%  premium on the Gloss finish versions of all the Model T Series speakers.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jul 2014, 04:38 pm
HI Folks,

Sneak Peek:

Have an excellent review coming shortly on the Bryston Middle T speakers in Home Theater Review magazine by Brent Butterworth.

 
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=102448)

Performance:

I’m just gonna cut to the chase and say that the Middle T sounded so good that I listened to it mostly just for pure pleasure.

Whenever I picked up a new (or old) record or bought a new download off Amazon, I was always eager to hear how it sounded through the Brystons. That’s not usually the case with speakers I have in for review; typically I focus on getting the review done so that I can get back to my (EDIT).
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2014, 11:03 am
Hi James,

Hope you are doing well. The tweeters seemed to have passed the break-in period. I was expecting more or better treble, and instead witnessed a significant personality change of the speakers. It's like another dimension was added. The added sense of air, reality, clarity, space, and definition is really incredible - both in stereo and surround sound.

You and your team have exceeded expectations again - thank you, well done!

Respectfully,
Marc



Thanks Marc,

The new tweeter is much better at producing energy on and off axis and the resonance point has been lowered substantially so I agree it manifests itself on a much more dimensional sonic presentation.  Enjoy!!

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2014, 06:48 pm
Hi Folks,

Sneak Peek:

Sound and Vision magazine in the USA did a review on a complete Bryston Speaker Surround System. Mini T's (L.R.),  AC-1 Mini Center,  Mini A's (Surrounds) and Mini T Sub.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=102605)

COMMENT:

With final placement settled, what I encountered was exceptionally neutral, uncolored reproduction, with as complete an absence of discrete response anomalies as I’ve ever heard.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spinner on 21 Jul 2014, 11:10 pm
 Has there been a new tweeter? :scratch:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jul 2014, 12:21 am
Hi Folks,

Over the last year we have been developing a new tweeter for the Model T and Model A Series speakers.

Model A Speakers currently in the market already incorporate this new design.

The new tweeter has 4 major changes:

1. A die-cast aluminum face plate for both better rigidity and for cooling. It functions as a heat sink for the tweeter.

2. A new horn design to provide smoother off-axis response above 12 kHz,

3. A larger rear chamber that lowers the resonance frequency further below the crossover region.

4. The new tweeter can also handle significantly more power than the older version.

The new tweeter is retro-fit-able to all existing Model T’s in the field and are being utilized in all current production.

Price of the new replacement tweeter is $90.00 Each.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spinner on 23 Jul 2014, 01:57 pm
Sounds great (no pun sorry  lol) Is it still a Titanium diaphram? :thumb:  Are there pictures of it?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jul 2014, 02:27 pm
Sounds great (no pun sorry  lol) Is it still a Titanium diaphram? :thumb:  Are there pictures of it?

Yes still Titanium.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=102672)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: redbook on 23 Jul 2014, 04:41 pm
 Nice tweeter, many issues addressed here. It reminds me of my JBL o44Ti tweeters. Well built ,good materials and design  :thumb: :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=102680)

[img]http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=102681
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jul 2014, 11:43 pm
DEALER FEEDBACK:

Hi James,

We have the Bryston A1 speakers hooked up to the 28 monos and they are incredible. 

The dynamics and visceral impact is first class.  Right out of the box we knew they're special and they've improved noticeably over the week. 

We definitely have a winner on our hands : )

Best Regards,
Robert
Audio Eden

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Jul 2014, 06:28 pm
Hi Folks,

Sneak Peek - Review on Bryston A3 Speaker from Secrets of Home Theater coming soon:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=102731)

Teaser Text

The Model A3 is the smallest floor-standing speaker in the new A series from Bryston.

It is well suited for a two-channel system that requires a compact floor-standing speaker. It is capable on its own of full range music playback without a subwoofer. The Model A3’s sound is neutral and it can be driven to high SPLs without sounding strained. The Model A3 is detailed and accurate. Its sound quality will satisfy regardless of listening preferences.

Travis
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: So There on 27 Jul 2014, 01:44 am
James, is there anywhere in Northern California where I could listen to the Model T Signatures? I'm very interested in these as the core of a Bryston 7.2 speaker system.

I realize that my local dealers may not stock these, but has Bryston given any thought to a user-to-user network for auditioning the speakers? While there may be downsides, this option might be at least a way to get a taste of what the speakers offer. Perhaps there could be a Bryston-certified user group for such demos and a set of standards to help achieve at least a consistent and helpful experience (the demo is everything, eh?). Frankly, knowledgeable users might provide a far better experience than my San Francisco Bay Area dealers, who for many brands have devolved into glorified order takers.

Another option might be an organized set of regional demos (perhaps coincident with audio shows which admit the public) for highly motivated prospective purchasers, perhaps a fee-based experience (and, if necessary to motivate buyers, with a portion of expenses refunded with the purchase of the speakers).

Bryston is certainly an industry leader, and creative marketing in this area might be beneficial to the company and the end users. While my strong confidence in Bryston led me to purchase my SP3, BDA2, BDP2, 6BSST, and 4BSSTs "sight unheard," speakers demand auditioning.

Thanks for your consideration, James. And thanks to the AudioCircle forum participants for your thoughts on this topic.

Best fishes,

Rich
____________________
Whiney Napa Valley

The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jul 2014, 11:45 am
Hi Rich,

Yes those are good ideas and I agree that there is difficulty these days getting new speakers on a dealers floor.  I have to say that much of the success of the Model T speakers is directly connected to the customer like yourself hearing the speaker at a friends or an audio show and passing on their opinions - and I have to mention the exposure of the audio magazines worldwide as their acceptance to review the speakers has been extremely helpful.  I will see if there are any options available for you to hear the speakers near your area.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: So There on 27 Jul 2014, 03:00 pm
Thanks for the speedy and helpful reply, James. I saw on another thread that you're on holiday. It's very Brystonistic of you to take your personal time to reply, but please go back to enjoying a well-deserved break.

Best,

Rich
________________
Whiney Napa Valley

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jul 2014, 03:03 pm
Thanks for the speedy and helpful reply, James. I saw on another thread that you're on holiday. It's very Brystonistic of you to take your personal time to reply, but please go back to enjoying a well-deserved break.

Best,

Rich
________________
Whiney Napa Valley


I spoke with our Rep in California and he asked if you can send me your email address and he will see what he can do.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Jul 2014, 11:35 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: New Bryston Speaker Dealer


We would like to welcome ‘SIMCOE SOUND’ in Barrie Ontario as our latest Bryston Speaker Dealer.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103112)         

411 Bayfield St, Barrie, Ontario L4M 6E5

Phone: (705) 737 - 1195
Email: info@simcoeav.ca

Web: www.simcoeav.ca
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Jul 2014, 01:54 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Speaker Presentation


Hi Folks,

Attached is a link to a presentation and overview on Bryston Speakers.

Hope you find it informative.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zbouhuc96umylis/Loudspeaker%20Presentation-Draft%20A.pdf


NOTE:

It is a large 43 MB file.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Aug 2014, 04:54 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Comments on The Bryston Mini T


Hi James, what a treat it was to listen to your Mini T speaker system for the first time.

Although it is physically much smaller than most high performance speaker systems, it clearly plays in their league and outperforms many of them. As sound colouration from cabinet and other structural components was inaudible, one could easily focus on the music and the recording environment.

The large dynamic range was very impressive and could easily satisfy the needs of most home audiophile applications. Perhaps the key to winning my heart was the linearity of the dynamics. It seemed that the dynamic range of all drivers was so well matched that the frequency and impulse responses remained uniform regardless of level.

It brought the music to life! I could have listened to it for hours.

The bass response was most impressive. Ever since I played string bass in my high school orchestra (in the 50s), I have always been sensitive to accurate bass reproduction. The Mini T passed with flying colours as it produced solid, deep fundamentals with none of the boomy, poorly damped, uncontrolled dynamics associated with virtually all small speaker systems. What a difference a 3-Way makes! A midrange speaker must be dedicated to reproducing critically important voice and instrumental information without experiencing the Doppler and intermodulation distortion inherent in a 2-Way that is forced to make large cone excursions in response to the bass. The excellent imaging and sonic accuracy of the Mini T's attest to the importance of a 3-Way design.

The listening position was not critically important while the sonic depth of field and stage width of musical performances seemed very natural. The WAF (wife acceptance factor) is very high too! ....but of course Maria has lived with some speaker monstrosities in our house for years. :)

You definitely have a winner on your hands, James. It is clearly the best sounding small speaker system I have ever heard!

Congratulations!
James H. Hayward

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Aug 2014, 03:39 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT:  Bryston Mini T Speaker – Customer Feedback

August  2014

Hi James – From Singapore

Ivy your dealer in Singapore was kind enough to lend me a pair of Bryston Mini T's while my (EDIT) are being repaired...totally forgot I need speaker cables as they are passive. I will get some on Monday...anyway. Pat is very impressed regarding the looks...she fell in love immediately even without hearing them..so great "wife factor" !

I just got the cables and set them up...superb sir...same tonal balance and natural sound character as the big T's!  And the bass is exactly what I was missing before...played some high quality vinyl...and the detail and pace is beautiful....now we must choose the amp...and try to find a buyer for the (EDIT).
Ivy gave me the lovely 4B for loan.....it has indeed good power and its not too much power for the Mini Ts. 

James I feel the Bryston Mini T’s provide a very natural and  seamless soundstage also...I think a 2- way just can't match that, no matter how expensive... Plus It's nice and slim...which an active speaker can't match usually...I honestly had the (EDIT) speakers under consideration as well...but not anymore. I blasted a few live concert bluerays...and the soundstage is amazing..most of all, no compression even at "life" levels. and the bass has real punch..eg the basedrum kick.. .which is so crucial to us drummer boys! Also most of all, I am surprised at the resolution of the top end too...I don't miss anything even compared to my active speakers!

To summarize, I would say the Bryston Mini Ts sound like a "big speaker'...and have exactly the same attributes of the model T's - natural and seamless soundstage..and accuracy across all listening levels...it even sounds right while listening from outside the room..which is always my personal "test" !


Congrats to you James!

Tom Forester- Singapore
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: lycia on 12 Aug 2014, 11:02 pm
For some time I have been contemplating purchasing a pair of Model T Signature speakers. However, I am in Australia and the mark-ups are so huge that the retail price is AUD$17000 (about US$15500) which is more than twice the retail price in North America, and not for any good reason. Consequently, they are not competitive in terms of value. I will just have to continue to be envious. :evil:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 12 Aug 2014, 11:54 pm
For some time I have been contemplating purchasing a pair of Model T Signature speakers. However, I am in Australia and the mark-ups are so huge that the retail price is AUD$17000 (about US$15500) which is more than twice the retail price in North America, and not for any good reason. Consequently, they are not competitive in terms of value. I will just have to continue to be envious. :evil:

IMO, it terms of sound you would be getting speakers equivalent to speakers two or three times the price, but then I haven't heard a lot of speakers.

I am however still impressed with how the phantom image seems to project off the front wall. Hence I no longer need a center channel listening in 4.1 Neo:6. :smoke:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: FireGuy on 13 Aug 2014, 12:11 am
For some time I have been contemplating purchasing a pair of Model T Signature speakers. However, I am in Australia and the mark-ups are so huge that the retail price is AUD$17000 (about US$15500) which is more than twice the retail price in North America, and not for any good reason. Consequently, they are not competitive in terms of value. I will just have to continue to be envious. :evil:

Have you considered Axiom Audio?  They are an internet direct company which has worldwide shipping.   Due to the their working relationship, Bryston's line up posses Axiom DNA.  Axiom's M80 is closest to the Model T and is even available in a High Power Version.  Not sure if this mark up you mention is because of a dealership setup , but if you can bypass it by purchasing direct it could be an option.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Aug 2014, 12:18 am
Have you considered Axiom Audio?  They are an internet direct company which has worldwide shipping.   Due to the their working relationship, Bryston's line up posses Axiom DNA.  Axiom's M80 is closest to the Model T and is even available in a High Power Version.  Not sure if this mark up you mention is because of a dealership setup , but if you can bypass it by purchasing direct it could be an option.

Hi

The Axiom M80 high powered version is similar to our Bryston A2 (Although our A2 has a more sophisticated cabinet) - it is not the same as our Model T. 

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: FireGuy on 13 Aug 2014, 12:24 am
Hi

The Axiom M80 high powered version is similar to our Bryston A2 (Although our A2 has a more sophisticated cabinet) - it is not the same as our Model T. 

James

Thanks James for that clarification.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2014, 01:25 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Feedback


Hi James

After 30 yrs of audio, both with my band and my 2ch, I always look forward to an evening of both audio and equipment and an evening with James Tanner is always very informative and satisfying.

James had both his Model T and mini T rooms dialed in perfectly....and I mean perfect!!! The sound staging was big, full and wide, , something we as audiophiles love to here. James’ song choices on this evening were extraordinary to me as I had not ever heard any of them before...I must say that the T series  goes deep and very detailed and came along way since the first prototype I heard 2yrs ago.

Thank you James for a listen and look at your most recent version of the Model T and Mini T… also I loved the sound of the Bryston DAC..Amps and Preamp combination in your setups..

Always a pleasure

John McLeod
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 14 Aug 2014, 04:56 pm
James,

For the Model T Signatures what would you recommend for amplifiers.

7b on the bottom and 4b on mids and highs OR something else


Also, could you make the make the TC1 centre a signature version on special order.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2014, 05:09 pm
James,

For the Model T Signatures what would you recommend for amplifiers.

7b on the bottom and 4b on mids and highs OR something else


Also, could you make the make the TC1 centre a signature version on special order.

You can use a single amp with the Signature and in that case I recommend the 7B's.  If you want to use 3 channels per speaker through the Passive Signature crossover and then I would add the 4B.

Never done it on the Center speaker but we could probably do it as a special for you.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Aug 2014, 08:43 pm
Hi

Dynaudio C1 MK1's and Bryston Middle T’s


This is the change that I made!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104024)

I don't regret the change at all. Most notable change for me was a lot less 'bloom' in the midrange (that I didn't even realize was so accentuated previously) from the C1's, and much deeper and controlled bass. I can't really think of an area that didn't improve to be honest, though personal preference might lead one to prefer that midrange bloom of course.

Compared them both side by side with the same gear in my room too, just to be sure   (don't mind the missing heater boards and wires... was amidst some renovations!)

I do love the C1, had them for about 5 years before changing. It did take me about a week to get used to the new sound, but it didn't take too long to find I could dig deeper into the recordings and hear more of the detail than with the C1. The soundstage can get absolutely huge with the Middle T! The bass as well feels generally more subtle but more powerful, if that makes much sense. Top to bottom smooth is maybe a better way to put it. If there's a rumble, the speakers will reproduce it, and it doesn't sound like the cabinet itself doing the shaking.

Manbient

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 19 Aug 2014, 02:07 pm
Hi James,

I know diving into a new products has its quirks, but ive been ready trying the signature T's for some time know, and you keep coming up with driver updates....

You have been getting some rave reviews, which is really tempting, though to be honest,  these driver updates make me fear embarking on a 'beta' product. On a digital product like the BDP's i can appreciate that somehow, on a set of high end Loudspeakers like you're positioning the Signature T1's,I would a lot less....

Will you stop changing it after the recent updates  :scratch:

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Aug 2014, 02:53 pm
Hi James,

I know diving into a new products has its quirks, but ive been ready trying the signature T's for some time know, and you keep coming up with driver updates....

You have been getting some rave reviews, which is really tempting, though to be honest,  these driver updates make me fear embarking on a 'beta' product. On a digital product like the BDP's i can appreciate that somehow, on a set of high end Loudspeakers like you're positioning the Signature T1's,I would a lot less....

Will you stop changing it after the recent updates  :scratch:

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius

Sorry I can not promise you I will not continue to make our products perform better.  I feel by offering these improvements as a plug and play option at very reasonable prices gives our customers a way to improve over time without having to purchase new speakers to replace older designs. I feel freezing a design and announcing new models is a little disingenuous.

Nothing is perfect but the pursuit of better performance on an ongoing basis is one of my main design goals with the Bryston speakers.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Aug 2014, 02:54 pm
HI James,

I've been with the Middle T's for a month or so. I'm very pleasantly surprised as I didn't have the opportunity to listen to them prior to purchasing.

I read what was out there on the internet all positive and considered my system room size etc. and took a chance.

Most enjoyable is the articulate full bass while not overpowering the upper regions. The upper region is sweet defined and never fatiguing . A very seamless speaker that just disappears they do everything well. I've had some touted high resolution or revealing speakers in the same listening space and there is nothing lacking with the Middle T. I'm impressed and very much enjoying the music.

Best,
Don

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Aug 2014, 04:57 pm
Hi James,

I have had the Bryston A2 speakers at home this last weekend and they are dam good for the money.

Probably the best buy in the industry for the money and I have had many, many speakers in that room over the years!!

Garry Taylor
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Aug 2014, 02:29 pm
Hi Oldguy

Thank you for the kind comments.  Most people are surprised as you were at the build quality given the price category that the Bryston speakers fall in to.  Wait till you hear them!!!!


james

Hey Brandon

Have you had a chance to listen to the Mini T's yet?

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Aug 2014, 05:41 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104158)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gil99 on 22 Aug 2014, 06:32 pm
Hi James,
What would be the price for the feet.  Thanks

Gilles
 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Aug 2014, 07:26 pm
Hi James,
What would be the price for the feet.  Thanks

Gilles

I think around $70 for a set of 4.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gil99 on 22 Aug 2014, 09:01 pm
Can we order them from Bryston or can they be available from the dealer.  Thanks

Gilles
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Aug 2014, 09:18 pm
Can we order them from Bryston or can they be available from the dealer.  Thanks

Gilles

Whatever is easier for you  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 25 Aug 2014, 02:53 pm
I've seen a mini platform supporting the Signature Model T Passive crossover in several pictures such as the one below.  Does this platform come with the Model T Signature or is it an aftermarket item?  If the latter does anybody know make, model number and price?




(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104371)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Aug 2014, 03:12 pm
I've seen a mini platform supporting the Signature Model T Passive crossover in several pictures such as the one below.  Does this platform come with the Model T Signature or is it an aftermarket item?  If the latter does anybody know make, model number and price?




(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104371)

Hi,

First time I have seen this - it is definitely aftermarket - where did you get the picture from?

james
 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Don_S on 25 Aug 2014, 03:31 pm
Google is your friend.  Big Brother is watching.  :o

Is this it? (scroll down)  http://www.av2day.com/2013/04/bryston-model-t-signature-loudspeakers-launch-at-av-designs/
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Aug 2014, 03:33 pm
Google is your friend.  Big Brother is watching.  :o

Is this it?  http://www.av2day.com/2013/04/bryston-model-t-signature-loudspeakers-launch-at-av-designs/

Hi

OK thats our Distributor in Malaysia - James Tan - great guy and I am sure he would be able to help you out.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 25 Aug 2014, 04:17 pm
Hi,

First time I have seen this - it is definitely aftermarket - where did you get the picture from?

james
James,

This pic is from the What Hi Fi review on their website.  I don't know where they got the pic. The platform seems like a good idea to tidy things up behind the Signature Passive, eh! 

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/bryston-model-t-signature-speakers-demo
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Aug 2014, 06:12 pm
James,

This pic is from the What Hi Fi review on their website.  I don't know where they got the pic. The platform seems like a good idea to tidy things up behind the Signature Passive, eh! 

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/bryston-model-t-signature-speakers-demo

Yes that was a review they did in Malaysia at James Tans demo room.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: ellsworth on 26 Aug 2014, 01:35 pm
In my opinion, these stands look a little too large for the cross-overs. What I'd like to see is a smaller set of outriggers with spiked feet that match the ones under the speakers. James, any thoughts on this? Thanks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Aug 2014, 02:18 pm
In my opinion, these stands look a little too large for the cross-overs. What I'd like to see is a smaller set of outriggers with spiked feet that match the ones under the speakers. James, any thoughts on this? Thanks.
 

Not a bad idea - I will look into that.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Middle T or Axiom LFR1100
Post by: Scar on 26 Aug 2014, 11:53 pm
Greetings and salutations! I would appreciate any feed back you have in regards to these two speakers. I realize it is a bit of an apple oranges comparison with the Axiom's being an omni type speaker.  I am using in an 12' by 18' room that opens up to a 12' by 10' kitchen. I would use a Moon 340i or similar for the Bryston's. For Axiom I would use their amp with Copland CTA 305 pre.
Love the T's Haven't heard any Axiom's. Able to get the Axioms used for $2200. Bryston would be over double.
Seeing how many major high end manufacturer's do not offer a dipole/omni type speaker leads me to wonder if it is really that good of a speaker design.
Any information is greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Aug 2014, 11:42 am
Hi Scar

Well sir you have asked a very important question and one that has been rampant for decades.  The concept of a 'radiating sphere' where the polar response of the speaker is flat and even in every direction has long been the goal of many speaker manufacturers. One driver handling the full frequency response and able to radiate its energy in a perfect circle (sphere) both horizontally and vertically has been the lofty goal of many.   

So the different speaker designs to some degree attempt to approach this goal in a variety of ways. Omni speakers (drivers front and rear typically) are the closest to this goal in theory but getting the right balance (Power Response) into real rooms has been a challenge and optimizing driver arrays to have equal radiation in every direction is very difficult to achieve.  So Dipoles, Bipoles, omnis, direct radiators etc. are all attempts to optimize the power response and frequency balance in typical rooms with typical dimensions.

The new Axioms are probably the closest at doing this now for a number of reasons.  One of the issues that has arisen is that if the rear wave is equal in volume level to the front wave it tends to make the speaker sound too bright in most environments.  It is one of the issues bipoles and dipoles have to address and in many of these designs the rear wave is attenuated a bit to account for this in the internal passive crossover.  In the new Axiom they control this rear wave set of drivers using specific electronics rather than passive components in the loudspeaker.  So the radiation pattern is adjusted at the preamp level and forwarded to the power amps (you need 4 channels with the Axiom). The advantage of this approach is you can now easily control the rear radiation pattern electronically independent of the front radiation pattern whereas in a passive system this is not possible with the same precision.

With a direct radiator like the Model T it is a more conventional approach and the radiation pattern is more forward into the room as there are no drivers on the rear of the speaker. We believe though that the radiation pattern even in the forward direction should be as wide and even as possible in both the vertical and horizontal planes.  The Power Response on the Model T is as accurate as can be accomplished in today’s designs and I am very proud of what we have achieved with all the Bryston speakers in this regard.

So with that background choosing the right speaker for you’re application is definitely something to consider.  The complexity of the setup, the rear wall symmetry, the electronic necessities, number of amplifier channels, type of soundstage required etc. all enter into the equation.

Hope this helps.

James

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Aug 2014, 05:29 pm
Hi James,

We're eagerly awaiting our demo Middle T.  Looks like they will arrive in the next few days. 

The Model T are an incredible value, we have them anchored by the mighty 28Bs in our 26 x 13 listening room.  These svelte beauties are jaw dropping…they fill the room with deep, tuneful bass.  Mids are transparent and beautifully detailed and the top end is composed and crystal clear. 

The fun continues...
 
Sincerely,
Robert

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: servingko on 28 Aug 2014, 06:39 pm
I have been enjoying my Middle T's for almost three weeks now and all I can say is "amazing"!  It's very easy to look at a speaker and think, "what's the big deal?  A box and some drivers - how different can they be from similar designs."

It's this thinking that has spawned countless would be speaker companies and thousands of DYI projects that aren't quite there.  These are sooo "there" in all aspects and have me contemplating a complete five channel setup.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Aug 2014, 01:06 pm
I have been enjoying my Middle T's for almost three weeks now and all I can say is "amazing"!  It's very easy to look at a speaker and think, "what's the big deal?  A box and some drivers - how different can they be from similar designs."

It's this thinking that has spawned countless would be speaker companies and thousands of DYI projects that aren't quite there.  These are sooo "there" in all aspects and have me contemplating a complete five channel setup.

This is a very interesting comment Servingko and something I learned when we were developing the speakers just how important the blind listening tests were between very similar measured speakers.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Sep 2014, 04:36 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: NEW BRYSTON SPEAKER DEALER

September  2014

We would like to welcome ‘Altronics Stereo 2000’ in Toronto’ as our latest Bryston Speaker Dealer.



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104835)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Sep 2014, 05:17 pm
Hi Folks,

We would like to welcome

‘SENNHEISER in AUSTRALIA’

as our latest

Bryston Speaker Distributor.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104836)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104837)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Sep 2014, 02:08 pm
Hi Folks,

In this months Sound and Vision Magazine they did a full review on a Bryston Surround system and we got a TOP PICK AWARD.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104953)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104954)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104955)

I will post the PDF link soon.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Sep 2014, 12:13 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Speaker Distributor


September 2014

Hi Folks,

We would like to welcome

‘RICHCOLN IN HONG KONG’ as our latest Bryston Speaker Distributor.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104993)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104994)




Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Sep 2014, 02:04 pm
Hi Folks,

This coming from a very discriminating dealer - Dave's Faves -  :thumb:

http://www.audioemporium.com/daves-faves-bryston-model-t/

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Sep 2014, 04:00 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Speaker Distributor


September 2014

Hi Folks,

Bryston would like to welcome: ‘AV DESIGNS in MALASYIA’  as our latest Bryston Speaker Distributor.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105361)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 15 Sep 2014, 06:35 pm
Hi Folks,

This coming from a very discriminating dealer - Dave's Faves -  :thumb:

http://www.audioemporium.com/daves-faves-bryston-model-t/

james

James, I may have asked this before but what is the finish of the T's in your Signature and also in this review?  They are very nice.
Is there an upcharge for custom veneer and are the veneer choices limited?
Thanks,
Bill
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Sep 2014, 07:04 pm
James, I may have asked this before but what is the finish of the T's in your Signature and also in this review?  They are very nice.
Is there an upcharge for custom veneer and are the veneer choices limited?
Thanks,
Bill

Hi Bill

That is the Walnut veneer - no up-charge for Walnut over standard wood finishes (Boston Cherry, Natural Cherry, Black Ash)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Sep 2014, 03:23 pm
September 2014

Hi Folks,

I will have the PDF shortly for the latest review in Sound and Vision Magazine of a complete Bryston speaker Surround system.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105415)

Some of my favorite quotes:

•   With final placement of the Mini T’s settled, what I encountered was exceptionally neutral, uncolored reproduction ... with as complete an absence of discrete response anomalies as I’ve ever heard.

•   The bass the “compact” Mini T Brystons could hurl into the room was truly astonishing. Rich high-frequency content like brushed cymbals were virtually perfect.

•   Stereo listening whetted my appetite for multichannel. The result was outstanding! These Brystons are immensely transparent speakers. Nor were the Mini T and its mates impressive only on the big stuff. From the lowest C to the highest harmonics, were as convincing as I’ve ever heard from reproduced sound.

•   These are, in short, very, very well-executed loudspeakers and finished to Bryston’s long-established high standards, speakers that will fully reveal what is on a recording for better or for worse.



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105420)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: So There on 16 Sep 2014, 05:51 pm
Well done, James. Congratulations on the excellent reception of Bryston speakers.

Rich
_______________
Shaky Napa Valley
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Sep 2014, 11:13 pm
Hi Folks

The Bryston A SERIES speakers are starting to get some recognition  :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105445)

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/floor-standing-speakers/floor-standing-speakers-reviews/bryston-model-a3-floor-standing-speaker-review.html

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Stedanko on 19 Sep 2014, 06:01 pm
Hi James,

As one of the earliest adopters AND proponent of the Model T it is MOST gratifying to
see the wide industry acceptance and public success they have become.
In the end a great product will always win out.
Kudos my friend.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Sep 2014, 06:08 pm
Hi James,

As one of the earliest adopters AND proponent of the Model T it is MOST gratifying to
see the wide industry acceptance and public success they have become.
In the end a great product will always win out.
Kudos my friend.

Well thank you for the kind comments.  I have to say that the Bryston speaker success is directly attributable to customers like yourself giving us the benefit of the doubt and listening for themselves.

james
 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: lycia on 19 Sep 2014, 09:22 pm
These continuing favourable reviews are all very pleasing as I ordered Model Ts about six weeks ago and the latest promise is that they will be delivered (in Australia) during the first week of October. I am looking forward to trying them out.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Sep 2014, 11:16 pm
These continuing favourable reviews are all very pleasing as I ordered Model Ts about six weeks ago and the latest promise is that they will be delivered (in Australia) during the first week of October. I am looking forward to trying them out.

Hi

That's great - I think you will be the first owner in Australia. Did you hear them through the distributor?

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: lycia on 19 Sep 2014, 11:35 pm
Hi

That's great - I think you will be the first owner in Australia. Did you hear them through the distributor?

James

No. I have not heard them but as I have an all-Bryston system (apart from speakers) I am prepared to take the risk - not something that I would normally do.  :o

I hope that these Signatures will include the new feet - I will have to wait and see. I understand that they are to be air-freighted out so they are presumably still with Bryston.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Sep 2014, 11:58 pm
No. I have not heard them but as I have an all-Bryston system (apart from speakers) I am prepared to take the risk - not something that I would normally do.  :o

I hope that these Signatures will include the new feet - I will have to wait and see. I understand that they are to be air-freighted out so they are presumably still with Bryston.

Yes I would recommend getting the XL Outriggers with them. I will see what I can find out for you on Monday. What colour  did you order?

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: lycia on 20 Sep 2014, 12:15 am
Yes I would recommend getting the XL Outriggers with them. I will see what I can find out for you on Monday. What colour  did you order?

James

Boston Cherry - I would have preferred Walnut but at the time I was making the choice the Walnut seemed to require a substantial premium as a special order although your post of 15th September appears to contradict this. :scratch:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Sep 2014, 12:42 am
Boston Cherry - I would have preferred Walnut but at the time I was making the choice the Walnut seemed to require a substantial premium as a special order although your post of 15th September appears to contradict this. :scratch:

Hi

Walnut is special order but is the same price as the Boston Cherry wood finish which is what I have at home.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: lycia on 20 Sep 2014, 01:02 am
Hi

Walnut is special order but is the same price as the Boston Cherry wood finish which is what I have at home.

James



Thanks, James. Evidently a misunderstanding between myself and the dealer. However, I can put up with the Boston Cherry.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Sep 2014, 10:27 am
Heres a shot of my Boston Cherry with outriggers.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105617)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: lycia on 20 Sep 2014, 11:01 am
Heres a shot of my Boston Cherry with outriggers.



james



Very nice finish. Thank you for that.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Sep 2014, 04:59 pm
September 2014

Hi Folks,

I will have the PDF shortly for the latest review in Sound and Vision Magazine of a complete Bryston speaker Surround system.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105415)

Some of my favorite quotes:

•   With final placement of the Mini T’s settled, what I encountered was exceptionally neutral, uncolored reproduction ... with as complete an absence of discrete response anomalies as I’ve ever heard.

•   The bass the “compact” Mini T Brystons could hurl into the room was truly astonishing. Rich high-frequency content like brushed cymbals were virtually perfect.

•   Stereo listening whetted my appetite for multichannel. The result was outstanding! These Brystons are immensely transparent speakers. Nor were the Mini T and its mates impressive only on the big stuff. From the lowest C to the highest harmonics, were as convincing as I’ve ever heard from reproduced sound.

•   These are, in short, very, very well-executed loudspeakers and finished to Bryston’s long-established high standards, speakers that will fully reveal what is on a recording for better or for worse.



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105420)


Here's the link folks.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/q8fah0u3pwke427/Sound%20and%20Vision.pdf?dl=1
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 21 Sep 2014, 07:51 pm
Hi Bill

That is the Walnut veneer - no up-charge for Walnut over standard wood finishes (Boston Cherry, Natural Cherry, Black Ash)

james

Hi James,

I too may have asked you this before but what would be the upcharge over the standard wood veneers for the zebrawood finish?

Bill
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Sep 2014, 07:58 pm
Hi James,

I too may have asked you this before but what would be the upcharge over the standard wood veneers for the zebrawood finish?

Bill

Hi Bill

Yes Zebra Wood is the same up charge as Rosewood

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Sep 2014, 05:25 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Speaker Distributor


September 2014

Hi Folks,

Bryston would like to welcome: ‘AVITECH Audio Video Solutions’  in Austria as our latest Bryston Speaker Distributor.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105704)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105705)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: lycia on 23 Sep 2014, 03:50 am
Yes I would recommend getting the XL Outriggers with them. I will see what I can find out for you on Monday. What colour  did you order?

James

Hello James:

Were you able to find out anythng about the Boston Cherry speakers I have on order?

Thanks,

Peter
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Sep 2014, 02:55 pm
Hello James:

Were you able to find out anythng about the Boston Cherry speakers I have on order?

Thanks,

Peter

Hi Peter

Yes the speakers shipped last week.

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: lycia on 24 Sep 2014, 08:23 pm
Hi Peter

Yes the speakers shipped last week.

james



Thank you, James.

Did they by any chance have the new outriggers?


Peter
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Sep 2014, 09:02 pm


Thank you, James.

Did they by any chance have the new outriggers?


Peter

Hi

Not sure - did you order them as well?

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: lycia on 24 Sep 2014, 09:57 pm
Hi

Not sure - did you order them as well?

james

No. I was under the impression that they shipped with all new production - obviously not. Probably confusion with the new design of feet/spikes. :scratch:

Looks as if I will have to order them.

Peter
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Sep 2014, 11:13 pm
No. I was under the impression that they shipped with all new production - obviously not. Probably confusion with the new design of feet/spikes. :scratch:

Looks as if I will have to order them.

Peter

Hi Peter

Yes the speakers come with Rubber furniture feet and small spikes but they fit right below the speaker corners.  The XL outriggers are what I posted on the bottom of my speakers and are an extra.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Sep 2014, 03:04 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Baiyun show in Guangzhou China


September 2014

Hi Brian and James,

We have just finished the Baiyun show in Guangzhou China this past Sunday. 

The response towards the Bryston Model T loudspeakers was very positive.

We were one of the very few best sounding rooms in the show, with the:

•   Bryston BP26 Preamp

•   Bryston 28BSST Amps

•   Bryston Model T Spks


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105841)

Thanks and best regards,
Michael Chan
Richcoln Company Limited

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 26 Sep 2014, 03:14 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105841)

James, if you send me a free pair (black please), I promise to kiss them every night before I go to bed...   :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 26 Sep 2014, 04:25 pm
Hell,, I'll marry them!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: ellsworth on 26 Sep 2014, 07:44 pm
 

Not a bad idea - I will look into that.

james

Hi James;

Did you manage to get anywhere with the outriggers for the cross-overs? Thanks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Sep 2014, 10:42 pm
Hi James;

Did you manage to get anywhere with the outriggers for the cross-overs? Thanks.

No I am sorry we did not - I have used the larger rubber feet on the bottom of the 28B's and some vibration units that I had but nothing official yet.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Sep 2014, 10:02 am
Hi Folks,

The Bryston Mini T speaker has done well at the studio level but it looks like the Middle T is starting to make inroads as well.



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105858)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Sep 2014, 10:45 am
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/bryston-mini-t-speaker-system

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Sep 2014, 05:42 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T’s – A Little Magic


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105990)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105991)

As I've indicated in other threads, at the end of August, after hearing the new Model T's once again, I decided to go ahead and bite the bullet and order a new pair, to replace my Tannoy Turnberrys. I had seriously been considering upgrading to the Tannoy Kensington's but, I simply could not ignore how I kept reacting to the Modet T's.

I first heard the Model T's when James Tanner had them for their inaugural debut at TAVES in Toronto. These speakers were the revelation of the audio show and I think many, very many audiophiles and audio gurus were shocked by the sonic qualities of these speakers. I know I couldn't stop talking about them. If the reviews that keep surfacing on a regular frequency are any testament, then these speakers are at least worthy of a proper audition, by any audiophile.

I brought them home over the weekend and had them all unpackaged and hooked up by late Saturday afternoon. After somewhat placing them where I wanted them to be, I turned the juice on and waited to see if I would as astonished as I had been the previous times I have listened to these speakers.

Out of box, they provide the kind of music sensation you'd expect of much much, MUCH more expensive speakers. It only takes a matter of moments before you are tapping your foot to the beat of the music, while you stare in disbelief, shake your head in puzzlement trying to figure why they are as good as they are.

It has been stated many many times already that these speakers are phenomenal as creating a presentation of the musical stage that is simply uncanny. Up, down, left, right and front to back, you can see, feel the stage. The sound is good, very good, but it's the imagery and dynamics that simply stumps you. Then the clarity, the tonality seem to make the stage come alive.  You do get the sensation of being 'there'.  And.. all from redbook CDs.

Now, to be fair, these are not gorgeous or sumptuous speakers, like Sonus Faber Stradivarius speakers are, for example. While aesthetics is in the eye of the beholder, the Model Ts, while not austere either, are pretty simple and straigthfoward in looks. They look like what a pair of high column speakers ought to look like - about 5' high, 14' across with an array of 6 to 8 drivers. Perhaps, it might be more precise to say they look 'common'.. there is little that is unique about them. They are very solid and quite massive at 105lbs each. The finish is very nice, especially in the Rosewood veneer, and strangely enough I think they actually look better with the screens in place, giving a fully black front, that in my case seems to blend well with my set - up. Setting these speakers on a set of outriggers does add to their overall look, in a good way. They came well packaged and draped in a black cloth bag which I think was a nice bonus. The speaker terminals are at the base of the speaker, which means you don't have to worry about speaker cables hanging down the speaker, or having to buy slightly longer cables. Perhaps these are small points, but in the end, they matter.

The real question is do they sound as good? Are they possibly better? I cannot say for sure. That is beyond my level of expertise. But, I will say this. I have heard SF before and loved them... however, the SF, did not captivate me, stump me, the way the Model T's did, and still do. In my audio life, so to speak, I have owned, Tannoys (Cheviots, Turnberrys), ProAcs (Response 1.5 and D38) and now Bryston Model T's. Even my wife mentions how strong my reaction has been to the Model T's.. and I quote.. "I've never seen you get this excited over any piece of audio gear"... I'll say it this way.. Imagine being able to go to a live concert, but without having to endure all the distractions that occur in a live setting.. that is what I think these speakers do.. better than anything I have heard.....

If you are considering a new pair of speakers and have a budget of over 10K, 20K, 30K.. 40K... then ADD these speakers to your list and don't be surprised if you find that all of a sudden you have a lot of extra bills to spend on other toys..

I was also a little nervous about how they would match up with McIntosh electronics... okay, that is something I should have not have been concerned about. I would even dare say that the combination is quite spectacular.

I do not know what magic James Tanner and the rest of his buddies at Bryston did to produce a speaker,that, in my humble opinion, is going to send shockwaves throughout the audio industry. They certainly have sent shockwaves through my audio soul... and that is really all that matters.

Rock Hau

MAIN: Electronics:McIntosh: C2200FG, MC501's, MCD500, SonoS Connect, Chang Lightspeed
Cables: Wireworld - XLR Silver Eclipse 5.2 Interconnects: Speaker Cable 6.0 Silver Eclipse. Nordost - Vishnu Power Cables.
Speakers: Bryston Model T (Passive)

Alternate: Peachtree Decco, SonoS Connect, ProAc Response1.5,




(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=106247)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: werd on 30 Sep 2014, 10:57 pm
Hello James

I see your out board subs are built using two drivers in a vertical fashion.  Knowing that this is the same array in your Model Ts. Did your ever experiment with a horizontal array using a bigger subs "10in" maybe?  I see you have the floor bounce with the Model Ts covered but it appears to be some what redundant with the subs.

I am only trying to understand sub woofer designs methods. Not critiquing by any measure. Only questioning why you didn't approach using different heights? Which would be the most bottom (closest)distance to the floor woofer.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Sep 2014, 11:23 pm
Hello James

I see your out board subs are built using two drivers in a vertical fashion.  Knowing that this is the same array in your Model Ts. Did your ever experiment with a horizontal array using a bigger subs "10in" maybe?  I see you have the floor bounce with the Model Ts covered but it appears to be some what redundant with the subs.

I am only trying to understand sub woofer designs methods. Not critiquing by any measure. Only questioning why you didn't approach using different heights? Which would be the most bottom (closest)distance to the floor woofer.

Hi Lorne

If I am understanding your question correctly the advantage of different heights on the woofer drivers is as you say to break up the first reflection dip in frequency caused by the distance the woofer is from the floor. With multiple woofers stacked the floor bounce dip is smoothed out due to the 3 woofers being different distances from the floor on the Model T's.

The graphs below show typical floor bounce dip with a single woofer vs the Model T with 3 woofers:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=106104)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=106105)

Now with Subwoofers we use the same philosophy and offer 2 subs one with 2 woofers (equal to a 12 inch) (Model T Mini Sub) and one with 3 woofers (equal to a 15)  (Model T Sub).  Also remember that Subs typically do not go as high in frequency as 80 Hz is typical high frequency cut off point whereas speakers typically run the woofers much higher in frequency.  The subs also have 600 watt bryston amplifiers installed internally which provides huge benefits as you can design the low frequency capability of the Sub and the driver required to go much lower than the Model T can go.  (Model T speaker flat anechoic to 25Hz - Model T Subs flat to 17 Hz)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=106110)


james



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2014, 02:57 pm
Heres a nice pic of the Model T in Natural Cherry in a customers home.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=106338)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2014, 03:04 pm
Model T with MAC gear in customers home:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=106339)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 5 Oct 2014, 10:27 pm
Model T with MAC gear in customers home:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=106339)

Nice setup!   :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bjski on 5 Oct 2014, 10:42 pm
Nice! :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Oct 2014, 04:04 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Middle T Speaker Review


October, 2014

Please see attached the latest review in Home Theater Review.com  Magazine of the Bryston Middle T loudspeaker. Brent says it will not win any beauty contests but gets FIVE STARS for PERFORMANCE.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=106408)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=106409)

http://hometheaterreview.com/bryston-middle-t-floorstanding-speaker-reviewed/

Favorite quotes:

•   I'm just gonna cut to the chase and say that the Middle T sounded so good that I listened to it mostly just for pure pleasure. That's not usually the case with speakers I have in for review; typically I focus on getting the review done

•   When I spun Rahsaan Roland Kirk's "Three for the Festival" from We Three Kings, I experienced some of the most amazing imaging I've heard.

•   Next the king of non-so-great recordings: Todd Rundgren. Even though Todd's voice sounds crude, coarse, distorted, and oversaturated on his first sorta-hit, "We Gotta Get You a Woman," I've never heard him image so precisely on this tune. The hand claps in the second verse -something that's barely noticeable on most of the systems people would hear this tune on - sounded eerily real, almost like I was right next to Todd when he was adding them. I noticed so many new details in this recording yet the sound was never, ever even slightly hyped-up or bright. I only wish all those audiophiles who think exaggerated treble equals detail could hear this speaker do its thing.

•   Whatever percussion instrument Dybdahl was whacking on sounded like it was absolutely real, stretching across to fill my living room from side to side. Above all this sonic chaos, Dybdahl's voice floated, sounding impeccably clean, clear, and full. The whole experience was simply amazing. If every trade show demo were this good, a lot more speakers would be sold.

•   Every summer seems to have one song you can't get out of your head. For me, 2014's chanson d'été is Tom Vek's irresistible "Sherman (Animals in the Jungle)." I'd say it was a perfect fit for the Middle T, except that almost everything seems a perfect fit for the Middle T. The grating synth punches in the intro sounded colossal, wrapping all the way around behind my head as if I'd had surround speakers set up. The quartet of 8-inch woofers totally brought the boom, slamming out Vek's incessant, insistent beat with all the power, ease, and clarity of a great subwoofer. As usual with this tune, I kept cranking it up and cranking it up, yet I heard not a trace of distortion in Vek's voice.

•   Pining to put the high-res capability of the Sony USB DAC to use, I put on the 24/96 version of Yes's "Long Distance Runaround." What I noticed most here was Chris Squire's bass, which just sounded so perfect, so flat, and so tight, with no notes sticking out and every subtlety of his fingering and picking right out there. With a lot of speakers and subs, the bass is too sloppy to get the attack on both kicks. With the Middle T, both kicks sounded completely clear and detailed, giving me a realistic sense of the felt beater striking the drum head.


Brent Butterworth
Home Theater Review
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: BrysTony on 6 Oct 2014, 04:22 pm
James,
I live in the Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas area.  Where is the closest place that I could listen to these speakers?
Tony
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Oct 2014, 04:27 pm
James,
I live in the Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas area.  Where is the closest place that I could listen to these speakers?
Tony

Hi Tony

I will ask our Texas Rep for you - I think we have a dealer down that way.

Or you can come to my place anytime!

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: BrysTony on 6 Oct 2014, 04:31 pm

Or you can come to my place anytime!

james

Be careful what you say.  I might take you up on it!

Tony
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Oct 2014, 04:33 pm
Hi Tony

I will ask our Texas Rep for you - I think we have a dealer down that way.

Or you can come to my place anytime!

james

Apparently Audio Systems in Austin has Model Ts available to demo but not Middle T's.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: BrysTony on 6 Oct 2014, 04:42 pm
Thanks James.  I think the Middle Ts would fit my room better than the Ts.  Are the Middle Ts similar enough to the Ts that listening to the Ts would give me a good idea of how the Middle Ts would perform?

Tony
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Oct 2014, 04:48 pm
Thanks James.  I think the Middle Ts would fit my room better than the Ts.  Are the Middle Ts similar enough to the Ts that listening to the Ts would give me a good idea of how the Middle Ts would perform?

Tony

Hi Tony

I think so as the Bryston speakers all use the same drivers and design parameters with the difference being how much level is available without distortion. I did not want the Bryston speakers to be a better/best decision for our customers but one of 'Application differences' rather then 'Performance differences'. So all the speakers sound similar and matching the speaker to your room and listening levels is the primary concern. 

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: BrysTony on 6 Oct 2014, 05:46 pm
James,

Great info!  I need to plan a trip down to Austin.

Tony
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Oct 2014, 10:01 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: A Serious Bryston Speaker Dealer

HI Folks,

Well as a speaker manufacturer you can’t ask for more from a dealer!

Thanks Dave very much appreciated from everyone at Bryston.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=106657)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=106658)


Audio Emporium
8766 N. Deerwood Dr.
Brown Deer, WI 53209
www.audioemporium.com
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Oct 2014, 01:54 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Middle T Review – Canada Hi-Fi


October, 2014

Please see the link below for another rave review on the Bryston Middle T loudspeakers by Canada Hi-Fi magazine.


http://canadahifi.com/bryston-middle-t-loudspeakers/

Favorite quotes:

“In terms of aesthetics, I think the Middle T is a good looking speaker, especially in the wood finishes – mine came in a Natural Cherry. The cabinet itself narrows as you move backwards from the faceplate, diffusing the sound waves within the speaker. I am primarily interested in a speakers drivers, and I wouldn’t spend extra money on a fancy cabinet unless it was stunningly gorgeous. I think Bryston has hit the cabinet price versus performance versus beauty ratio right on the head”.

“The speed at which bass from the Middle T’s can bloom and then disappear is astonishing. The bass capability made me laugh and shake my head in amazement.”
PS – I am pleased to announce that the reviewer purchased the speakers for his own system!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Oct 2014, 05:04 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Model T – Report from the Field.   


Hi Rock,
So, you've had the Bryston Model T’s for a few days now. Anything new to report?
Prepress


Hi, thanks for the query, but how to answer your question without gloating?

I continue to be very amazed by how these speakers represent the sound stage, how accurate they are in giving you that 'live' stage feeling. A couple of friends have mentioned, "it's like being there", which is certainly the feeling I get.

These speakers make me want to turn the volume up and they respond beautifully. This is something I rarely do because I like to relax and just enjoy ambient music. I could sit back and just listen all day. I feel little to no listener fatigue.

I have switched back to the 8 ohm taps from my 501's as James Tanner suggested, which I think is a better option.

Overall, I would say I have connected with this speakers more emotionally than I have with any other speaker, or any piece of equipment.

I don't want to boast these speakers, simply because I own them. However, I think anyone who is considering some speakers, and is looking for that feeling that makes you want to get up and dance... must, and I mean MUST audition these speakers... and at their price point.. ~$7500... you simply cannot lose.

Rock Hau
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Oct 2014, 10:36 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Announcing the Model A ‘MICRO’ Center  Speaker


October, 2014

Hi Folks,

A number of dealers/distributors have asked us to provide a smaller Center channel speaker which would be more appropriate when combined with the Bryston Mini A Bookshelf speakers or the Bryston Model A3 floor standing speaker in a surround system.

Announcing the Bryston AC-1 ‘MICRO’ Center speaker.

 
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107036)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107037)

The Bryston AC-1 Micro Center utilizes two 6.5 inch woofers and a single 1 inch dome tweeter which are identical to the drivers used throughout the A Series speakers.

Retail Price - $490.00

   
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Oct 2014, 06:10 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107061)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sweetspot on 19 Oct 2014, 04:07 pm
Hi Peter

Yes the speakers come with Rubber furniture feet and small spikes but they fit right below the speaker corners.  The XL outriggers are what I posted on the bottom of my speakers and are an extra.

james



James , what is the price of the outriggers and are they adjustable for other speakers?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Oct 2014, 05:12 pm


James , what is the price of the outriggers and are they adjustable for other speakers?

They are about $600 for the pair list but only fit the Model T's and the Middle T's.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sweetspot on 19 Oct 2014, 05:43 pm
Thank-you, james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Oct 2014, 05:10 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: NEW BRYSTON SPEAKER DEALER


October  2014

We would like to welcome ‘MAFICO Audio-Video in the Netherlands’ as our latest Bryston Speaker Dealer.

Mafico
Weg en Bos 2, 2661 DH Bergschenhoek, Netherlands
Ph: 3110 4148426
Fax: 3110 40 48863
info@mafico.com

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2014, 12:02 pm
10-20-2014

What are you using to drive your Model/Middle Ts?

I heard the Middle Ts with Parasound Halo JC2 Pre and Parasound JC1 this weekend...AMAZING?

highnelly
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2014, 02:50 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107296)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107297)

Hi James

Is this the first Soffit mounted Bryston sub?

Our new mixing theatre called Stage 5.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107298)

David
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 22 Oct 2014, 08:57 pm
James,

You may have answered this at some point but my search is coming up empty.  Are the six pairs of connector cables and two pairs of jumpers to connect a stereo amp (or two monos) to the Model T Signature included in the price?  Also, are the connector cables the same as the internal cabling used in the Model T Standard?  What is their length?

Thanks
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Oct 2014, 09:15 pm
James,

You may have answered this at some point but my search is coming up empty.  Are the six pairs of connector cables and two pairs of jumpers to connect a stereo amp (or two monos) to the Model T Signature included in the price?  Also, are the connector cables the same as the internal cabling used in the Model T Standard?  What is their length?

Thanks

Hi

No the cables are not included because some customers want to use their own cables rather then the Bryston speaker cable which is what we use. The internal wiring is different.

Here are some shots of the Signature crossover connected to the Model T Signatures:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107361)

Three kit cables coming out from the crossover to the rear of the speaker.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107362)

Three cables going into the Woofer/Mid/Tweeter on the rear of the Model T.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107363)

The bridging input to the crossover - all three inputs are bridged together so you only need one cable from your amp or you can pull the bridges and use 2 or 3 sets of cables from your amplifier.


james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 23 Oct 2014, 09:39 pm
Thanks James.  I wasn't expecting such a thorough response but you saved yourself 1,000 words with those pics :thumb:  Just a couple follow up questions:

Does Bryston sell a cabling kit for this?  What's the price of the kit?

I'm using WireWorld Silver Eclipse 6 speaker cables.  Is it OK or a bad idea to not match your main speaker cables on the output side of the crossover?  I wouldn't want to alter the characteristics of the WW cables.

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Oct 2014, 10:01 pm
Thanks James.  I wasn't expecting such a thorough response but you saved yourself 1,000 words with those pics :thumb:  Just a couple follow up questions:

Does Bryston sell a cabling kit for this?  What's the price of the kit?

I'm using WireWorld Silver Eclipse 6 speaker cables.  Is it OK or a bad idea to not match your main speaker cables on the output side of the crossover?  I wouldn't want to alter the characteristics of the WW cables.

Thanks,

Bill

Hi Bill

Yes we offer a cable Kit:

Bryston Speaker Cables
Set of 3 speaker cables for $150.00 - Signature Passive Crossover - (2 sets required for a pair)

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Oct 2014, 11:46 am
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107619)

Dear James,

Please see attached Mini -T review, which appeared in the Polish edition of the Audio Video magazine. Some sentences from the review below:

“The choice of a very strong, compression resistant woofer resulted in a very American sound, with a strong emphasis on power and extension, in which Mini T is one of the kind”.

“The sound class of these monitors is unquestionably high. It is expressed in the mids and trebles consistency and the overall homogeneity, resolution and a very high dynamics.

Another advantage of the Mini T is its soundstage. Well, instead of giving a short summary I’ve almost written a second review, but the Mini T is a really complex case. I strongly encourage you to spend some time on a private listening, especially if you like an "American-flesh sound", as well as small cars with big engines”.

Now we look forward to Mini A shipment, while the order for the Mini T will come shortly so please add MJ Audio Lab as a Bryston speakers distributor.

Best regards

Marcel
MJ Audio Lab
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Jimmy71 on 2 Nov 2014, 05:22 pm
Hi Samurai

It is never easy to 'guarantee'  how a specific speaker will sound in a specific room but one of the main advantages of speakers like the Brystons,  where you have excellent on and off axis flat response (excellent sound power),  generally you can place larger speakers in a small room and not have the overload and tonal balance abnomalities that would occur in other kinds of speakers. 

This is one of my rooms 14 1/2 feet x 11 1/2 feet -  (upstairs bedroom - kids have left the roost) - and I have used all the Bryston models in this room - currently Model T Active. 

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=82396)

james
Hi James why do you have 4 amps in this picture? What are the use and something else do you think biamping 2 4bsst2 is a good idea
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Nov 2014, 02:05 am
This is a fully ACTIVE version of the Model T;s.  The two 7B's run the woofers and the two 4B's run the Mids and Tweeters - the unit in the middle is the Active crossover.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: AJAudio on 3 Nov 2014, 03:58 am
Hi Folks,

The Bryston Mini T speaker has done well at the studio level but it looks like the Middle T is starting to make inroads as well.



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=105858)

Hi James,

Do you have some info on the setup in the picture ?  Do they use the "Middle T" as near-field monitors ?  (It certainly looks like that...)

Is this actually possible/preferable with this size of a speaker ?

I know you mentionned that the Model T's were large dispersion speakers, but I guessed that the Mini T could be used near-field without much problem, but I didn't think that for the Middle T...  (Certainly not for the big Model T...)

Any thought on that ?

I've been eyeing the Mini T, but this could opens up some possibilities... :-)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Jimmy71 on 3 Nov 2014, 05:15 am
This is a fully ACTIVE version of the Model T;s.  The two 7B's run the woofers and the two 4B's run the Mids and Tweeters - the unit in the middle is the Active crossover.

james
james I was thinking of using 2 4bs for biamping will I have better quality like that? Or will I damage speakers or the amplifiers?do I also need a crossover?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Nov 2014, 11:53 am
james I was thinking of using 2 4bs for biamping will I have better quality like that? Or will I damage speakers or the amplifiers?do I also need a crossover?

Hi

You will not need a crossover because when you biamp you are still using the passive crossover in your speaker.

Passive Biamping  (4 channels - 2 per speaker) can offer some benefits in that the power required to drive the woofer is not affecting the power amplifier driving the mid or tweeter. Much will depend on the load presented by the speaker crossover and the levels you listen at - room size etc. Assuming 1 amplifier is not being stressed by the speaker load and levels there would not be much benefit.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Nov 2014, 11:58 am
Hi James,

Do you have some info on the setup in the picture ?  Do they use the "Middle T" as near-field monitors ?  (It certainly looks like that...)

Is this actually possible/preferable with this size of a speaker ?

I know you mentionned that the Model T's were large dispersion speakers, but I guessed that the Mini T could be used near-field without much problem, but I didn't think that for the Middle T...  (Certainly not for the big Model T...)

Any thought on that ?

I've been eyeing the Mini T, but this could opens up some possibilities... :-)

Hi AJ

Yes this studio has used both the Mini T and the Middle T and we assumed the Middle T would be more of a mid-field than a near-field but in this case the Middle T worked really well.  You are correct that the Bryston speakers have very wide dispersion and they also integrate the drives once you move back about 1 meter from the speaker so you can sit very close to the Middles and still get a coherent wave launch.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 3 Nov 2014, 08:05 pm
Hi AJ

Yes this studio has used both the Mini T and the Middle T and we assumed the Middle T would be more of a mid-field than a near-field but in this case the Middle T worked really well.  You are correct that the Bryston speakers have very wide dispersion and they also integrate the drives once you move back about 1 meter from the speaker so you can sit very close to the Middles and still get a coherent wave launch.

james

James,

When you refer to "Bryston speakers" having this near field characteristic does that include the Model T?  I really enjoy sitting or standing back about that distance and having that headphone with the tactile component experience as an alternate listening position.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Nov 2014, 08:50 pm
James,

When you refer to "Bryston speakers" having this near field characteristic does that include the Model T?  I really enjoy sitting or standing back about that distance and having that headphone with the tactile component experience as an alternate listening position.

Hi

Yes the multi driver systems mean you have to be a little further back but all our designs are based on integrating the wavefront as soon as physically and acoustically possible.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Nov 2014, 08:52 pm
Hi Folks,

Working on the new Model T Center Channel:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=108085)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 4 Nov 2014, 09:34 pm
...you didn't put your name under the picture like you usually do...so i knew it was a joke :lol:

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: srb on 4 Nov 2014, 09:38 pm
I don't know, they do say the center channel is the most important speaker in an HT setup!   ;)

Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 5 Nov 2014, 03:30 am
Excellent WAF, James.  Was that your first design priority?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: So There on 5 Nov 2014, 04:26 pm
It's not big enough!

More power! (How many 28Bs does it take . . . ?)

How many of these do we need for ATMOS? Can you help with ceiling mounting?

Rich
______________
Whiney Napa Valley
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Nov 2014, 06:28 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Customer Feedback from Israel


Bryston BP-6 Preamp, 4B SST2 Amp, and the Mini T's


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=108592)


“Though I’ve heard quite a few top end system combos which cost way more in the past years, not one hit the spot for me like the Bryston 4B and Mini T's combo.

I like everything about this speaker: size, build quality, driver arrange-ment and above all performance.


This is the first 3 way I’ve heard that handles all the frequency spectrum from sub to high frequencies with a kind of two way integrity and agility.

The Bryston Mini T's are no less than a revelation. The new Bryston T's monitors are one of a kind 3 ways that can run from ultra low frequencies to highs beyond the best two ways. They do it fast and agile while keeping control and grip.

A very fine achievement.

Thank you Bryston, we are in our debt.”

Itshak Vodzilovsky
Israel
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Nov 2014, 11:45 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT:Bryston Dealer Feedback


Hi James

System set-up: Bryston BP-26 Preamp, 4B SST2 Amp, BDP1 Player, BDA2 DAC on Model T's and Mini T's.  Short story for you.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=108610)

Upon unveiling these speakers with anticipation one wondered how good can they be?  Well let me tell you, they play as big as they look. These speakers are silky smooth and the timbre is amazing even as I kept turning the volume up and up on this BP-26/4B SST2 combo. Not once did I hear compression happening in the midrange nor tweeter at these volumes.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=108611)

These Bryston speakers are nice and relaxed but yet detailed…no listening fatigue with either one.  Both speakers are fast and the bass extension is unreal…are you sure there is no sub on?  The woofers are built like a massive car subs..Don't believe me take one out, I did..WOW!

For a company just new to the speaker industry I think Bryston is on to something amazing here! Can't wait to see what the future holds for Canada's finest…

Calvin Rhead   
Krazy Kiley's
2220 Dewdney Ave.   
Regina, Sask.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Nov 2014, 11:47 am
Hi James,

Bryston Mini A at Warsaw Audio Show 2014-photo attached.

Very clever beast yet - ideal for small spaces


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=108927)

Very positive response at show James , in fact, very faithfully play with low gain so you can safely listen  late at night with full control of the mids and bass with no chance for an unexpected police visit.

Best regards
Marcel
MJ Audio Lab
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Nov 2014, 06:11 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: RMAF 2014


Hi Folks,

It is always nice when people who have been in the industry for decades acknowledge your products:



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=109090)

Hello James,

I have to say that it was wonderful to have the opportunity to work with the Bryston Team at RMAF 2014.
It was my first time to hear the Bryston speakers.  We had the Middle T’s for the show. 

What an impressive speaker!

A big, spacious soundstage, tonally neutral, with impressive dynamics, and powerful bass for that size speaker. 

The Middle T’s reach down low without sounding boomy or bloated. The 28B SST2 amplifiers gave an overall effortless presentation.

Truly an incredible value for the money.

Jerry Willsie

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Nov 2014, 04:12 am

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=109546)

Hi James
 
I've been demoing the Bryston A2 and A3 speakers a lot these days.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=109547)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=109548)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=109549)
                   
Really impressive!

Dave Holmes
Audio Emporium
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Nov 2014, 12:46 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT:UNSOLICITED ENDORSEMENT


December 2014

“Hello Peter.

Noticed your little review on experimenting with Bryston's new Mini-T loudspeaker for mixing in a recording studio. I am considering auditioning a pair of Mini-Ts for home use with my Simaudio integrated amplifier next time I am in Toronto.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=109574)

Noting your extensive audio experience, would you have any comments on the following:

1) How fussy are the Mini-Ts regarding room placement?  I.E. Can they perform well if their backsides are only about 12 or 18 inches from the front wall? 

2) Do the drivers integrate well at a reasonably close listening distance such as 7 feet? Asking you, since I suspect that studio use might be more of a near-field experience.

3) How are they at quieter (lower decibel) listening levels? Any opinion if they lose their "magic" at quieter loudness levels?

I realize this e-mail is out of the blue and not related to your Mastering studio.”

Ron




(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=109575)

“Hi Ron

We are all subjects to the laws of physics! They are a rear firing port design and at 18" they perform very well.

One of the great features of the Bryston Mini T speakers is their lack of localization of the drivers in a near-field set up. This indicates a extremely coherent phase complimentary cross over design.  These speakers suffer the least from the Fletcher Munson Curve (or what you call loss of magic) of any we've tested. We notice a reduction in monitoring levels because the mid to low bass is well represented at lower volume levels. (Charles Mingus would be happy)

These are not an incremental evolutionary improvement over existing speakers! These are a revolutionary price / performance improvement over existing speakers!

A lot of audiophiles are more into "fashion" then accurate sound and become easily bored, so be it. In our business, we live or die on how accurate and true we are to the the master recording and the new Bryston T series helps us achieve that.”

Yours Truly,
Peter J. Moore,
President,
The E Room Mastering Studios/MDI Productions.
Title: Port Plugs for Mini T
Post by: Eatlxtr on 30 Nov 2014, 04:00 pm
I listened to the Mini T's today T my Bryston dealer and they were truly stunning. The absolute clarity and dynamic power was amazing. The only issue I had is that my listening room is only 10 by 13 feet and these can not be more that 12 inches from the back wall. When I moved the speakers that close to the back wall they produced slightly to much bass. The dealer suggested port plugs but I am concerned about messing up the balance of the speakers. I do have a Rythmik 12 inch sealed sub that can take the extreme low end (20 to 120Hz). Anyone with any idea how the plugs would work?

Thank you

Earl

BTW, I posted my demo review on WhatHiFi if anyone wants to read it. Called 'Bryston Mini T / PMC 24 Back to Back'
Title: Re: Port Plugs for Mini T
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Nov 2014, 04:29 pm
I listened to the Mini T's today T my Bryston dealer and they were truly stunning. The absolute clarity and dynamic power was amazing. The only issue I had is that my listening room is only 10 by 13 feet and these can not be more that 12 inches from the back wall. When I moved the speakers that close to the back wall they produced slightly to much bass. The dealer suggested port plugs but I am concerned about messing up the balance of the speakers. I do have a Rythmik 12 inch sealed sub that can take the extreme low end (20 to 120Hz). Anyone with any idea how the plugs would work?

Thank you

Earl

BTW, I posted my demo review on WhatHiFi if anyone wants to read it. Called 'Bryston Mini T / PMC 24 Back to Back'

Hi Earl,

If you do get a build up of low bass in a small room the port plug helps a lot.  The plug just allows the low frequency response to roll off a little sooner so it does not overload the room if the room is having issues.  It will not change the Balance of the sound just the roll off point of the very low bass. 

That being said I have them in my 3rd sound room and it is 10 x 13 (no plugs) as well (see below) - I have them on the long wall about a foot from the back wall and they perform superbly! Anyone who hears them always comment on how BIG the soundstage is and how they disappear in the room - not to mention where did you hide the SUB?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=109583)

James

PS - where did you hear them?


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Eatlxtr on 30 Nov 2014, 05:24 pm
James, thank you for your prompt and informative reply. I heard them at Absolute Audio in Calgary and James was very helpful. A contributing factor to the base bump may have been the rack directly beside the right speaker. We could not get the speakers set up that close to the back wall with free space around them. In my listening environment I do not have that problem so they should be better. The other factor is the I am just not used to a speaker producing that level of mid bass. In fact, I may have had my subs turned down a bit below flat response. I don't know if you read my whathifi post but I am also seriously considering a pair of these for my dance floor but do you think the b100 is enough to drive them to potential or do they really need more power?

Earl
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Nov 2014, 05:45 pm
James, thank you for your prompt and informative reply. I heard them at Absolute Audio in Calgary and James was very helpful. A contributing factor to the base bump may have been the rack directly beside the right speaker. We could not get the speakers set up that close to the back wall with free space around them. In my listening environment I do not have that problem so they should be better. The other factor is the I am just not used to a speaker producing that level of mid bass. In fact, I may have had my subs turned down a bit below flat response. I don't know if you read my whathifi post but I am also seriously considering a pair of these for my dance floor but do you think the b100 is enough to drive them to potential or do they really need more power?

Earl

Hi

I have a few customers with a B100 and the Mini T's so I think you would find the combo excellent  :thumb: They can take more power though depending on room size and listening levels.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Timslim18 on 30 Nov 2014, 08:39 pm
I will ask.

james

Hi James:

Did you get an answer back on this as I am ready to place an order. I am looking at ordering a white pair of Mini-Ts with 32" stands either white or unpainted (which I would have painted). What MSRP would I be looking at for such an order? Approximate time from order to delivery?

Kindly advise.

Thanks,

Tim
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Nov 2014, 09:41 pm
Hi James:

Did you get an answer back on this as I am ready to place an order. I am looking at ordering a white pair of Mini-Ts with 32" stands either white or unpainted (which I would have painted). What MSRP would I be looking at for such an order? Approximate time from order to delivery?

Kindly advise.

Thanks,

Tim

Hi Tim

We can do a custom non painted pair of Mini T's for you if that helps or a painted white pair  - it would take about 3 weeks from order and  just charge the same price as a standard wood finish.
 
The standard stand is 24 inches - any reason you need a 32? - I am a little concern it may be a little top heavy.  The stands only come in black so no white available there.

Let me know which dealer and when and I will try an speed it up for you.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Dec 2014, 03:38 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT:Bryston Middle T – Best of 2014


Hi James

Congratulations!

You’ve won a Home Theater Review Best of 2014 Award for the Bryston Middle T loudspeakers.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=109635)

As a company known for high-end audio electronics, Bryston took a risk this year by moving into the crowded speaker market. That risk has certainly paid off with the Middle T, which received a “five-star performance rating” from Brent Butterworth.

Its appearance is as straightforward as they come, but its performance will definitely seduce you.

Sincerely,
Jerry
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Timslim18 on 2 Dec 2014, 08:46 pm
Hi Tim

We can do a custom non painted pair of Mini T's for you if that helps or a painted white pair  - it would take about 3 weeks from order and  just charge the same price as a standard wood finish.
 
The standard stand is 24 inches - any reason you need a 32? - I am a little concern it may be a little top heavy.  The stands only come in black so no white available there.

Let me know which dealer and when and I will try an speed it up for you.

James

Hi James:

I am dealing with Mike at Audio Eden in Aurora.  He convinced me to stick with the standard 24" stands but I do need the the Mini-T  speaker finish and grills in white.

Kindly contact him as I placed my order this afternoon.

Thanks,

Tim
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Dec 2014, 10:36 pm
Hi James:

I am dealing with Mike at Audio Eden in Aurora.  He convinced me to stick with the standard 24" stands but I do need the the Mini-T  speaker finish and grills in white.

Kindly contact him as I placed my order this afternoon.

Thanks,

Tim

Hi Tim

Yes we got the order - custom units being done. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Dec 2014, 12:13 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini A Speakers


December 2014

Bryston Mini-T Bookshelf/Stand Loudspeakers.

Winner of Everything Audio Network ‘Stellar Sound Award’

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=109750)

“The Bryston Mini-T speaker easily exceeded my high expectations of the company producing a no-fuss, accurate loudspeaker with smooth clarity and excellent bass for its size. These speakers sound fantastic, and in the audiophile world they are a bargain — especially for a North American-made speaker

The tweeter is neither dull or sizzly, instead exhibiting an optimal balance of transient tonality, which contributes to an expansive soundstage for such a compact speaker. The midrange does not draw attention to itself with any sonic quirks, just a truthful projection of midband sounds, such as voice and acoustic guitar.

And the Mini-T’s sonic character was consistent from amp to amp, even with different designs. From an old Macintosh MC275 to Rogue Audio’s highly recommend tube/digital hybrid and Benchmark’s ultra-quiet ABH2, to a pair of $65,000 Pass Labs Super Class A Xs-150s, the Mini-Ts always sounded great.

Whether you are an audiophile, semi-serious home listener who appreciates real hi-fi, or an uncompromising professional recording engineer who still likes to match his own amp and speakers, the Mini-T is a speaker you must consider.

 If you want to stay in the family, a pair of the Mini-Ts and a Bryston 4B SST-II amplifier would be an ideal combo. But regardless of the amp ultimately chosen, I believe that once you audition a pair of Mini-Ts, you will agree with our assessment that they are worthy of our Everything Audio Network

S-T-E-L-L-A-R  S-O-U-N-D   Award”

John Gatski
Everything Audio Network

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Dec 2014, 04:27 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Announcing New A Series Subwoofer


Hi Folks,

Bryston is pleased to announce a new ‘A SERIES SUBWOOFER’

This new Sub utilizes two 10 inch custom drivers in an opposing side configuration with a 400 watt internal amplifier.
We will have a sample available at the upcoming 2015 CES show in January.
Suggest list price will be $1,895.00 US.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=109822)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=109823)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=109824)

•   Full specifications will be available shortly.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Timslim18 on 4 Dec 2014, 05:36 pm
Hi Tim

Yes we got the order - custom units being done. :thumb:

james

Thanks, James.

To all those who have not yet auditioned the Mini-Ts, I have to tell you my experience...

Over the last year, I have read with interest the reviews of the Mini-T in this forum and on many other sites.  My interest was piqued.  Driving to the dealer (Audio Eden just north of Toronto) to audition a pair, I was a little skeptical.  My thinking was that all the hype may be a result of some advertiser revenue recipient/dealer bias which is understandable as that's the way the world works. 

When I got to the dealer, he had the Mini-Ts ready to play. I sat done, he put on some music and walked away.  The sound was amazing for such small speakers.  Eyes closed you would think the speakers were at least twice the size.  The low end was incredible.  It sounded like a well balanced 2.1 system but the dealer swore there was no subwoofer working away out of sight.  The tone and timbre of the speakers was realistic and uncoloured and handled the various genres of sample material with strength without losing detail.  I was so impressed that I bought a pair after I finished my audition.  The dealer had just set up the audition and let the Mini-T's sell themselves.  What a great experience!

So fellow audiocirclers, if you are in the market for nearfield or small enclosure speakers, do yourself a favour and give the Mini-T's an audition.  I guarantee that for size/price/performance you will not find a better speaker.    And to you Bryston dealers, shame on you if you do not stock the Mini-Ts as they sell themselves.

Tim
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: brwsaw on 4 Dec 2014, 10:10 pm
MEMO:

Bryston is pleased to announce a new ‘A SERIES SUBWOOFER’

This new Sub utilizes two 10 inch custom drivers in an opposing side configuration with a 400 watt internal amplifier.


Sealed?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Dec 2014, 10:24 pm

Sealed?

Hi br

No ported    The T Subs are sealed units


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=109836)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=109837)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=109838)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 5 Dec 2014, 10:02 pm
Yes!
Today, Sinterklaas finally brought my Signatures. Thank you Santa!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=109882)

Cheers Marius
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Dec 2014, 10:05 pm
Marius

I'm confused - what is that?

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 6 Dec 2014, 09:34 am
December 5th: Sinterklaas evening in the Netherlands. Families sharing presents. My daughter made this for me knowing I'm on the lookout for the Signatures... Enclosed was a real nice poem with the actual
present .

Kinda liked the detail in the external
Crossover ;-)

Have a good one everybody !
Marius
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bobNL on 6 Dec 2014, 10:02 am
Nice Marius!

Let us know when the real thing materializes.

Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Dec 2014, 11:35 am
December 5th: Sinterklaas evening in the Netherlands. Families sharing presents. My daughter made this for me knowing I'm on the lookout for the Signatures... Enclosed was a real nice poem with the actual
present .

Kinda liked the detail in the external
Crossover ;-)

Have a good one everybody !
Marius

That's really neat - can you send me a JPEG picture of that - jamestanner@bryston.com
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 6 Dec 2014, 03:47 pm
Hey Bob,

Now thats a bit of an issue in NL... need to find a dealer first, and then have them let me testdrive the Signatures at home. Demo is everything, especially at home.

Need James to stop making significant changes to them too :-) don't want a BDA2/3 discussion on the Signatures...

Cheers and happy holidays to all,

MArius

Nice Marius!

Let us know when the real thing materializes.

Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Dec 2014, 04:03 pm
Hey Bob,

Now thats a bit of an issue in NL... need to find a dealer first, and then have them let me testdrive the Signatures at home. Demo is everything, especially at home.

Need James to stop making significant changes to them too :-) don't want a BDA2/3 discussion on the Signatures...

Cheers and happy holidays to all,

MArius

One good thing about the Model T's as the changes have all been retro-fittable.  The Signature has the added advantage because if the crossover changes its an easy swap.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 6 Dec 2014, 04:36 pm
Check!

That's why i'm on to the Signatures, hope to hear them soon.

Keep up the good work James. enjoying your machines on a daily base....

Marius


One good thing about the Model T's as the changes have all been retro-fittable.  The Signature has the added advantage because if the crossover changes its an easy swap.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Dec 2014, 04:47 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Stellar Sound Award !


December 2014

Hi Folks,

Please see link below for another outstanding review on the Bryston Mini T loudspeaker.

Notice his comments about the compatibility of the Mini T in both the Audiophile and Professional marketplaces.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=110150)

Also the Mini T was given a “STELLAR SOUND AWARD”.

http://everythingaudionetwork.blogspot.com/2014/12/speaker-review-bryston-mini-t-compact.html

James Tanner
V/P Bryston Ltd.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Dec 2014, 09:10 pm
Hi Folks,

Please see the new BRYSTON SPEAKER BROCHURE

It has an additional 4 pages and now includes:

1. A two page spread on our “Family of Curves”
2. New Micro A Center channel
3. New Model A Subwoofer

If anyone wants a copy please email me - jamestanner@bryston.com
Its a 5M PDF

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Dec 2014, 05:34 pm
Dealer Feedback:

Hi James

Got the smaller Bryston A3 speakers in.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=110217)


Obviously the Big boys (Model T) are much better in the deep bass and dynamics department. I was worried the A3’s would sound a little thin and bright. But they don't, tonal balance-wise I was surprised how similar they are to the T's - smooth, body, bass is impressive for the size and they image like crazy.

They sound fantastic!

Mark
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Dec 2014, 02:40 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Mini T – Customer Feedback

 
SNORGY

Hi James – Mini T Speakers

Having just bought a pair, with stands, several months ago, what I can say is that the Mini Ts play much larger than they look. Listening to them on their stands, blindfolded, a person would have no way of telling them apart from a pair of high quality floor standing towers.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=110349)

If the person was then to remove the blindfold, he or she would find it difficult to believe that *THAT* came out of *THOSE*.

These have had an even greater impact on me as a "bookshelf speaker" than the Paisley AE-400's did about thirty years ago. I first paired the Mini Ts with a vintage HK PM665 integrated amplifier, and I can honestly say it was, to my ears, the most perfectly matched amplifier-speaker combination that I have heard in three decades. They do want power, but if the power is available - within reason - these things will scare you before you scare them.

Simply put, these are the best "small" speakers I have heard in a long, long time.

Snorgy.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 16 Dec 2014, 04:21 pm
Hi Bill

Yes we offer a cable Kit:

Bryston Speaker Cables
Set of 3 speaker cables for $150.00 - Signature Passive Crossover - (2 sets required for a pair)

james

James,

What length are the cables in the Bryston cable kit for the Model T Signature.  I'm asking because my WireWorld Silver Eclipse 6 SC's are rigid making it difficult to manage much in the way of cable slack.  Also, just to clarify your above response, are there 3 pairs of cables in each kit which would then require 2 kits for a pair of Signatures.  I'm reading your response to say there are 3 single cables in a kit requiring 2 kits to make 3 pairs of cables to serve 1 speaker.

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Dec 2014, 04:26 pm
Hi Bill

Here are the pics:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=110514)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=110515)

3  cables - different lengths to reach the woofer mid and tweeters

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 16 Dec 2014, 05:11 pm
Thanks.  Do you have the 3 cable lengths handy? I'm considering the WireWorld Mini Eclipse recommended for this application by Larry Smith at WW. They must be custom made so I have to give the dealer the lengths to get a price quote.  I'm considering them since I have Silver Eclipse 6 SC's that I bought with my 7B's a couple years ago.  They work very well in my system,
 
BTW, Larry gave the T-Sigs two thumbs up telling me they are an outstanding speaker system and that I would be thrilled with their performance. :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Dec 2014, 05:17 pm
Thanks.  Do you have the 3 cable lengths handy? I'm considering the WireWorld Mini Eclipse recommended for this application by Larry Smith at WW. They must be custom made so I have to give the dealer the lengths to get a price quote.  I'm considering them since I have Silver Eclipse 6 SC's that I bought with my 7B's a couple years ago.  They work very well in my system,
 
BTW, Larry gave the T-Sigs two thumbs up telling me they are an outstanding speaker system and that I would be thrilled with their performance. :thumb: :thumb:

Hi

24, 17 and 15 inches in length.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: So There on 17 Dec 2014, 05:19 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=110514)


James, are the connectors on the Model T crossover shown above the same as on the back of my 6BSST(C) and 4BSST(C)s? If so, what type of connector are you using on the speaker cables? This looks like a cleaner installation than mine, which uses hefty spades and locking bananas for biwiring.

Thankee,

Rich
_________________
Whiney Napa Valley
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Dec 2014, 05:30 pm
Its a gold plated double banana.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Dec 2014, 08:45 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Dealers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T Début at Phase One Studio


December 2014

Hi James,
 
Got the Mini T’s we purchased in the studio this morning and of course we put them up in Studio C right away to give them a test drive, driven by two 7Bs and Nordost cables. I listened to an old Lyle Lovett CD (Joshua Judges Ruth) and Donald Fagen’s “Nightfly as well.

You could tell right off that the detail and openness and imaging were excellent!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=110571)


We had an engineer in the room who likes his Dyne BM15s which were next to the Mini T’s. They were very similar in fact, much to my surprise, but the Dyne has a slightly larger woofer (10”) and did produce a bit more low end. However, as I pointed out, what counts is how the speakers translate to the outside world and for me the Dyne low end is not as detailed which could lead to a mistake in mastering the low end (the hardest part of recording to get right).

Engineers are a stubborn lot. They are resistant to change like no one’s business. Introducing something new is never an instant process of acceptance but over time the good stuff rises to the top. The Mini T’s offer a sense of detail that goes beyond the Dyne’s and for me is something I will master the next record with. All I’m looking for is a neutrality that gives me confidence the sound will be good on a variety of systems and from my brief listen, I have faith the Mini’s will do just that.

By the way, they are only slightly larger than other nearfields so are not totally out of place on a console. In a perfect world they would be shorter, deeper and possibly a bit more squat but I’m not complaining James, they are a fine addition to what we do. And we may end up putting the Mini’s on stands just behind the console, allowing us to lower the overall height by a few inches.

BARRY LUBOTTA
President
PHASE ONE AUDIO GROUP inc.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 17 Dec 2014, 09:17 pm
Its a gold plated double banana.

James

I'm confused  :scratch: aren't these cables connected where spades or bare wire would connect?  I thought banana connectors plugged straight into the front of the terminals.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Dec 2014, 10:47 pm
I'm confused  :scratch: aren't these cables connected where spades or bare wire would connect?  I thought banana connectors plugged straight into the front of the terminals.

Hi

They can plug into the front but they can also fit through the holes in the post.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 18 Dec 2014, 02:45 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Dealers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T Début at Phase One Studio


December 2014

Hi James,
 
Got the Mini T’s we purchased in the studio this morning and of course we put them up in Studio C right away to give them a test drive, driven by two 7Bs and Nordost cables. I listened to an old Lyle Lovett CD (Joshua Judges Ruth) and Donald Fagen’s “Nightfly as well.

You could tell right off that the detail and openness and imaging were excellent!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=110571)


We had an engineer in the room who likes his Dyne BM15s which were next to the Mini T’s. They were very similar in fact, much to my surprise, but the Dyne has a slightly larger woofer (10”) and did produce a bit more low end. However, as I pointed out, what counts is how the speakers translate to the outside world and for me the Dyne low end is not as detailed which could lead to a mistake in mastering the low end (the hardest part of recording to get right).

Engineers are a stubborn lot. They are resistant to change like no one’s business. Introducing something new is never an instant process of acceptance but over time the good stuff rises to the top. The Mini T’s offer a sense of detail that goes beyond the Dyne’s and for me is something I will master the next record with. All I’m looking for is a neutrality that gives me confidence the sound will be good on a variety of systems and from my brief listen, I have faith the Mini’s will do just that.

By the way, they are only slightly larger than other nearfields so are not totally out of place on a console. In a perfect world they would be shorter, deeper and possibly a bit more squat but I’m not complaining James, they are a fine addition to what we do. And we may end up putting the Mini’s on stands just behind the console, allowing us to lower the overall height by a few inches.

BARRY LUBOTTA
President
PHASE ONE AUDIO GROUP inc.


James, Andre Marc here. I just received a pair of Mimi A's in for for review.

Let me just say that after just 24 hours I am absolutely am impressed beyond any expectations I could have had.

The Mini A's have the potential to offer the highest price to performance ratio I have encountered in my time in the industry. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Dec 2014, 02:57 am
James, Andre Marc here. I just received a pair of Mimi A's in for for review.

Let me just say that after just 24 hours I am absolutely am impressed beyond any expectations I could have had.

The Mini A's have the potential to offer the highest price to performance ratio I have encountered in my time in the industry. Stay tuned.

Hi Andre

Well thank you for your kind comments. The Mini A was a special project for me as I wanted a true 3-way in as small a package as possible but with performance as good as a small cabinet would allow.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 18 Dec 2014, 03:13 am
Hi Andre

Well thank you for your kind comments. The Mini A was a special project for me as I wanted a true 3-way in as small a package as possible but with performance as good as a small cabinet would allow.

James

Well, I can see and hear the dedication that went into these.  When done with these I very much look forward to experiencing the T's.



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Dec 2014, 03:37 pm
Sneak Peak:

MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini A Speakers – Upcoming Review


December 2014

HI James,

Andre Marc here. I just received a pair of Bryston Mini A speakers in for review.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=110620)

Let me just say that after just 24 hours I am absolutely impressed beyond any expectations I could have had. The Mini A's have the potential to offer the highest price to performance ratio I have encountered in my time in the industry.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=110622)


I am actually getting very decent bass performance in my room now. I have them in a system that includes your BDA-1 DAC. I think you guys make the best digital and on the market, and great electronics, but I won't lie, I was a bit skeptical about the speakers!.

I seriously think you may have set a new benchmark in this price range. I have generally gravitated towards classic British designs for monitors, but quite frankly, these Mini A speakers are game changers, and they are not even settled in yet.

Stay tuned!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 18 Dec 2014, 07:30 pm
Hi

They can plug into the front but they can also fit through the holes in the post.

james

Thanks James.  One more somewhat related question, if my main SC's are single pair spade terminated will I have to re-terminate with bananas since the jumpers appear to occupy the spade connection space on the x-over inputs?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Dec 2014, 05:22 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Dealers
SUBJECT: Customer Feedback Bryston LCR


December 2014

Hi James,

I had to let you know that I order the Middle T and the Mini T center. For the last couple of weeks I've been listening to them with music and movies.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=110956)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=110957)

Well  WOW,  WOW  AND WOW, These are an amazing speakers, like the size even if they are a little bit heavy. I love the impact they do with soundtrack of movies, I was missing a lot with my other speakers.

I've been listening to music every day since I install them and I just love the balance of it. 90% of my library is wave music file, the rest is in mp3 and even with that kind of crap of file, they still come out in very good shape and sound very good.

The new tweeter has a much more beautiful design to my taste than the first one. The high frequencies are not just good — they are smooth and offer a touch of refinement. Love the magnet that hold the fabric, so when showing off the front speakers no more ugly holes. they are nicely finished in Boston cherry. They comes out very good with a 4BSST in silver just beside.

This was my gift from Me to Me this year. To complete my system, my next step will be the Mini T for the back, can't wait to ear the final result.

A happy Bryston customer
Robert Caron
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 22 Dec 2014, 08:02 pm
Thanks James.  One more somewhat related question, if my main SC's are single pair spade terminated will I have to re-terminate with bananas since the jumpers appear to occupy the spade connection space on the x-over inputs?

James,

This is the pic I'm referring to with the above question regarding spade terminated main SC's.  It appears that the jumpers are taking the place where spades would go such that I would have to re-terminate the main SC's with bananas.  Or, can the jumpers be terminated with bananas to be connected to the front banana ports.?

Thanks,

Bill


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=110971)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 22 Dec 2014, 08:04 pm
Sorry,  the pic didn't post properly.  Probably pilot error.  I'll try again.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=110970)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Dec 2014, 08:39 pm
Hi Bill,

Yes I think we could use bananas instead - I would have to check.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Dec 2014, 04:35 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: BASEMENT TAPES “PART 2”


December 2014

Hi Folks,

A month ago I sent out info indicating the Basement Tapes of Bob Dylan and the Band containing 138 songs were Restored, Mixed and Mastered by Peter Moore of “The E Room Mastering Studios” on: the Bryston Middle T speakers and Bryston amplifiers.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=111050)

I am pleased to report the recording has received the:

“Stereophile Recording of the Month”

The Basement Tapes Complete … John Swenson Stereophile

“This is a difficult album to rate sonically. In restoring it to its original state, Peter J, Moore has presented us with a deliberately rough-hewn product.

But the painstaking effort to re-create the sessions as they happened, with the best-recorded versions of Dylan's vocals ever issued, is a work of restorative art in its own right, showing us this music without the masks it has paraded behind over the years.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=111051)

LINK:
http://www.stereophile.com/content/recording-january-2015-basement-tapes-completere
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: highnelly on 2 Jan 2015, 03:53 am

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=111740)
Wanted to share my Middle T and Mini TC pictures!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Jan 2015, 11:00 am
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=111740)
Wanted to share my Middle T and Mini TC pictures!

Thanks for sharing - what electronics are you using? Are you happy with the sound?

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Jan 2015, 01:50 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Middle T Speaker Stereophile Review

   
Hi Folks – the  Stereophile review in the February 2015 issue of Stereophile Magazine is due out this week on the … Bryston Middle T Loudspeaker.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=112097)
 
My two favorite quotes are:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=112098)

“And again I must point out that excellent cumulative spectral-decay plot. It is uncommon to see a large, affordable tower speaker with so clean an initial decay.”

John Atkinson




“The Bryston Middle T is the real thing: a wonderful speaker at a reasonable price that can be enjoyed for many years.”

Kalman Rubinson


The Bryston Middle T Speaker is featured on the front cover of the February issue of Stereophile.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Grit on 7 Jan 2015, 07:24 pm
Bryston has really hit one out of the proverbial ball park with the T series speakers! I look forward to getting to hear them one day.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: servingko on 7 Jan 2015, 08:34 pm
The more I spend time listening to my Middle T's the more I am impressed with the sound.  A conventional speaker with a very unconventional sound.  I think I may have the first pair with serial numbers xxxxxxxxxx4001 and xxxxxxxxxx4002.  I doubt they have even sold 4,000 speakers yet but I may be wrong. :D  I have paired them with a number of amps with great success from 50 watts to 500 (2B-LP, 2BSST, 4BSST, 4BSST2, 9BSST, B100SST....and some non Bryston stuff) as they appear to be an easy load and relatively efficient.  So far my favorite has been the 2BSST but I have a two month old 3BSST2 coming today I hope to try out this evening.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: highnelly on 8 Jan 2015, 04:20 am
Thanks for sharing - what electronics are you using? Are you happy with the sound?

james

Hi James - I'm using your SP3 with 9bsst2. This system took months to put together. I listened to a lot of more expensive setups, but none sounded better than this one. I only listened to 2 channel during the "test drive" stage and now having an all Bryston 5 channel in my living room I'm blown away on how good it sounds. Better than I ever thought!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jan 2015, 11:14 am
Hi Folks ... Sneak Peak

South Africa's Top Audo/Video Magazine is reviewing the Bryston Model T Speakers.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=112274)

"Most speakers will find it easy enough to render the sonics involved – but the emotive quality, the attack and timbre, the revelation of layers behind layers, and the careful, circumspect placing of voices and instruments on a deep, expansive soundstage – those elements were heeded and exposed with a grace and care unusual for such large, complex, multi-driver speaker".
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 10 Jan 2015, 03:18 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: BASEMENT TAPES “PART 2”


December 2014

Hi Folks,

A month ago I sent out info indicating the Basement Tapes of Bob Dylan and the Band containing 138 songs were Restored, Mixed and Mastered by Peter Moore of “The E Room Mastering Studios” on: the Bryston Middle T speakers and Bryston amplifiers.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=111050)

I am pleased to report the recording has received the:

“Stereophile Recording of the Month”

The Basement Tapes Complete … John Swenson Stereophile

“This is a difficult album to rate sonically. In restoring it to its original state, Peter J, Moore has presented us with a deliberately rough-hewn product.

But the painstaking effort to re-create the sessions as they happened, with the best-recorded versions of Dylan's vocals ever issued, is a work of restorative art in its own right, showing us this music without the masks it has paraded behind over the years.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=111051)

LINK:
http://www.stereophile.com/content/recording-january-2015-basement-tapes-completere

James I have been on a major Elvis kick with the Mini A's...the King sounds great on these speakers!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jan 2015, 03:29 pm
James I have been on a major Elvis kick with the Mini A's...the King sounds great on these speakers!

Great - Glad you are enjoying them.  They continue to surprise me every day :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Jan 2015, 10:54 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T Customer Feedback


January 2015

Hi James,

Lets talk about music.

Firstly, the change from my (edit) power amp - the new (edit) @ 200wpc to the Bryston 4BSST^2 completely changed the personality of my long loved (edit) from the late 1980's! The (edit) jumped to life with fuller bottom end and a new lease on life! The old girls were smiling!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=112630)

Then I hooked up the new Mini T's.

My first reaction was joy - about how much fun i was going to have with these speakers.  Although, i was a bit surprised of what I observed to be less detail in the sound compared to the (edit) -  and less spatial separation between the instruments - something the (edit) excelled at.  I must admit, my ears were so used to the (edit) precision and transparency that it was difficult for me to immediately appreciate the sonic quality of the Mini's.  But, It didn't take too long to adjust!

Prior to hooking up the Mini T's i could really only listen to music for a short while (with the (edit) setup) before my ears suffered from fatigue. The Mini T's changed that and I've spent many 4-5 hour evenings of listening, and quite loud, and its all good baby! No fatigue - and keeps me coming back to my system. And, I now have 2 weeks of bachelor-hood and many hours of listening will continue! Yes. Like right now, listening to Jackson Browne's new album 'Standing on the Breach' - at 24/96. Track 3. Beautiful acoustic guitar, bass, and vocals.

I love these Mini T's!

I was reassured that i could listen as loudly as i wanted, and not to worry if the volume heads towards 2 or 3 o'clock on the volume dial! And that's right, the Mini's can handle it. The reviewers are bang on - no noticeable distortion at loud volumes. Although, the lights on the front of the 4B were flashing red one night when the horn section kicked in somewhere on the Graceland album. I was enjoying the African harmonies!  I love the warm sound of the Mini's, and the incredible bass - one of the main reasons I was attracted to the Mini's - the massive low frequency response from a not-so-big speaker. And the price. And it was from Bryston!

Two recordings i listen to often are Knopfler's Privateering album and the Allman Brothers - Playing All Night - Live at the Beacon Theatre 1992. Man, the first 5 minutes of In Memory of Elizabeth Reed on these Mini T's is stunning. The dual drum kits cranking it out in time and Dickey and Warren's beautiful complementary guitar leads - its like I'm right there! Loud and Stunning. Love it!

Needless to say, I am very happy with my new Mini T's. I was toying with, eventually, upgrading to the Middle T but I'm not so sure now....the mini's sound large....with a capital L. The  extra 8" drivers of the middle brother may actually blow the roof off! Ha!

Thanks again for making my Bryston purchases such a great experience. And for taking the leap into speaker design! Love you guys. And proud to be canadian!

Cheers,

Terry Sullivan
Smithers BC
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Jan 2015, 08:54 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: NEW BRYSTON SPEAKER DEALER

January  2015

We would like to welcome ‘Audio Ark’ in Edmonton’ as our latest Bryston Speaker Dealer.



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=112652)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 16 Jan 2015, 09:08 pm
This morning I hooked up the Mini A to a Bob Carver Black Magic 20 watt EL84 tube amp.

I was absolutely stunned by the combination. This is after using a 200 wpc McIntosh solid state integrated,

Here are some pix.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=112824)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=112825)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jan 2015, 02:16 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113171)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Eatlxtr on 22 Jan 2015, 04:34 am
James, Is Bryston planning to create a condo friendly floor standing speaker?

I heard the Bryston Mini T in my dealers showroom and the sound was absolutely stunning!!! In fact, I have since upgraded my b100 sst to a 4b squared in anticipation of getting a set of Bryston speakers. My only issue is finding a model that really suits my place

I would like a speaker that I can place near to walls, is fairly compact, and where I can control the bass output to balance with my room and keep the bass in check and keep the police visits to a minimum. Of course I still want it to have most of the dynamic presence of the Mini T:)))

 My basic criteria comes down to this:
1. Amazing dynamic 'live' sound of the Mini T's
2. The ability to place them close to walls without messing up the sound.
3. Physically not too big so that they will not look out of place in my room
4. A speaker that is large enough to provide the dynamics and mid bass presence of the Mini T and go down to 50hz on its own
5. The ability to add, adjust or kill the bass below 50hz as desired so I can balance the bass level and don't drive my neighbors crazy. (Bryston mini sub would be the ticket for this)


Mini T - Not wall friendly or neighbor friendly, mostly because of its very low bass output and the rear port. The bass is great but just too much for my little place. The last review I read said the speaker needed to be 7 feet from the back wall completely eliminate wall influence....OMG!!! Plus, I can't keep the low bass on all the time for the neighbors sake.

A3 - Just a bit too big, especially being 15 in deep. This means the speaker is going to be quite close to the rear wall and the two rear facing ports are going to be a problem. Also, going down to 40Hz is a bit low not to have boundary issues. It also just looks to big and bulky for my place. Something a bit smaller would visually work better.

Mini A - This may be the best solution of the entire line you have today. It only goes down to 60Hz so it should not have too much in the way of wall issues and I can run it on its own to keep the neighbors happy.  Due to its size, though, it will probably not provide the dynamic presence of the Mini T. Going a bit lower (50Hz) would be nice as well.

I was thinking that maybe something like a 'Mini A Tower' could be the perfect solution? It would have the same footprint of the Mini A (maybe a couple of inches deeper) but be around 40 inches high with only a front port and sport two of each driver found in the Mini A. Because of the larger cabinet, getting it to go to 50Hz should be possible. If the price point was somewhere around twice the price of a Mini A then I think I would be a real bargin.

I believe a speaker like this would work perfectly in any small room were space is an issue. The Mini A Tower could open up a whole new market to the Bryston speaker line:))))

James, do you happen have something like this on the drawing board already? ... Or do I need to pick up a couple of sets of Mini A speakers and build my own Mini A Tower cabinets? ha ha :))))

Thank you for your response and for creating a great speaker line!!!

Earl Teigrob,
Calgary, AB
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jan 2015, 11:17 am
Hi Earl

Well thank you for your kind comments on the speakers - much appreciated - no new models on the drawing board at this point other than the T REX.

Low bass response in any room will be a function of the boundary affects and the low frequency capability of the speaker so there really is no distance from the rear wall that is set in stone.  For example in my 3rd room which is 11 x 13 x 8 the Mini T's sound superb and they are only 12 inches from the back wall.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113363)

In Vegas recently at the CES show they were 2 feet from the back wall.  So each room is different and placement will vary.  Generally speaking all our speakers only need to be about 8-12 inches from a rear wall if rear ported and if closer placement is required we have port plugs which can reduce the low bass output below about 50 Hz.

AS for your room setup I would say if the Mini T is too large then I would suggest 2 options. 

1. The Mini A's with the new Mini A Sub or the Model T Mini Sub depending on budget as that would allow you to adjust bass according to your room setup and listening preferences.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113367)

Option 2 would be the A3 tower as it has a similar driver compliment to the Mini T and is capable of lower bass than the Mini A on its own.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113366) 


Hope this helps.

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: milford3 on 22 Jan 2015, 12:46 pm
Hi Earl

Well thank you for your kind comments on the speakers - much appreciated - no new models on the drawing board at this point other than the T REX.

Low bass response in any room will be a function of the boundary affects and the low frequency capability of the speaker so there really is no distance from the rear wall that is set in stone.  For example in my 3rd room which is 11 x 13 x 8 the Mini T's sound superb and they are only 12 inches from the back wall.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113363)

In Vegas recently at the CES show they were 2 feet from the back wall.  So each room is different and placement will vary.  Generally speaking all our speakers only need to be about 8-12 inches from a rear wall if rear ported and if closer placement is required we have port plugs which can reduce the low bass output below about 50 Hz.

AS for your room setup I would say if the Mini T is too large then I would suggest 2 options. 

1. The Mini A's with the new Mini A Sub or the Model T Mini Sub depending on budget as that would allow you to adjust bass according to your room setup and listening preferences.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113367)

Option 2 would be the A3 tower as it has a similar driver compliment to the Mini T and is capable of lower bass than the Mini A on its own.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113366) 


Hope this helps.

James, are those stands from Axiom used for the QS4's and 8"s surround speakers?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jan 2015, 01:03 pm
Hi

Yes we get the stands from them but they are custom to the Mini T's as the top plate matches the profile of the Mini T cabinet bottom and has bolts to secure the speakers to the stand if you wish.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jan 2015, 05:10 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini A Review From Poland


January 2015

Hi Folks


The Bryston Mini A speaker is a big hit in Europe! - Got a 95% Rating


Hi James,

Please see attached a PDF of the Bryston Mini A speaker in the most influential magazine in Poland – Audio Video – it’s superb!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113484)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113485)

(We will send you few translated sentences in English later).

MJ Audio Lab
Poland

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 23 Jan 2015, 08:28 pm
Hi Earl

Well thank you for your kind comments on the speakers - much appreciated - no new models on the drawing board at this point other than the T REX.

james
[/


James,

what are the T REX??

thanks,

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jan 2015, 09:17 pm
James,

what are the T REX??

thanks,

al.
[/quote]

I am working on a line source version of the Model T

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jan 2015, 12:33 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini A Speaker Review


January 2015

Some quotes (English translations) from our latest Mini A speaker review.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113734)

“The Bryston Mini A Loudspeaker is an extremely interesting product in its price range, both in terms of a bookshelf monitor and floor-standing speaker. The Mini A has the sound quality of a much larger free-standing loudspeaker.”

“It is not widely expected to have such a combination of spaciousness, neutrality, bass definition and sound scale in a speaker system in this price range. Bryston has done it  with great success. Therefore, we grant the Bryston Mini A our highest award. The Bryston Mini A is really worth an audition.”

“Relating the qualities of the Mini A to its price and comparing them to the competition – both more and less expensive - I assert that it is one of the "Best buy" speakers in recent years.”

“I must mentioned the stereo capability. Let me be extremely clear about this: in my opinion, in the case of the Mini A, it is simply outstanding. Outstanding in its price range and very good in absolute terms. Hardly ever do floor standing column speakers, two or three times more expensive create a more realistic soundstage, and most of all an equally deep sense of space.”
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jan 2015, 06:49 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: New Bryston Speaker Distributor


January  2015

We would like to welcome ‘Ultimate Audio Video’ in Indonesia’ as our latest Bryston Speaker Dealer.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113763)

Ultimate Audio Video
Ruko Taman Kebon Jeruk Intercon,
Blok A4 No. 30-31,
Jln. Meruya Ilir, Jakarta Barat 11630, Indonesia

Ph: 62 21 58907053
Ph: 62 215845584
Fax: 62 21 5304378

limagussantosa@ultimateav.co.id
 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jan 2015, 05:09 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Middle T – Customer Feedback


January 2015

HI James,

I had a listen to the Middle T at Audio Eden last week.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113821)
Bryston Middle T Natural Cherry


Mike Hamelin is one of my all time favourite audio salesman, and also the fellow who sold me my current six Bryston devices   

The Bryston Middle T speaker was fantastic!!  And amazing bass. I shall give a closer listen to the Middle and Big Ts, but I suspect there's a pair in my future. Wonderful at any price but amazing value at list.

And congrats on making the cover of Stereophile.

Regards,
Dave

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 28 Jan 2015, 01:42 am
Just received a set of Mini T's today with the new tweets of course(THX Chris)
Their some heavy for their size and very solid :thumb:.
Their mission if they decide to accept is for surround duty backed up with a pair of 7Bsst2's.
So far they like it (THX -10) on the dial but I've only listened for about an hour(wifey called).
Used a concert bluray The Eagles  Farewell Tour I live in Melbourne as their is some nice sax back up and also some small percussion in the back ground.
Great separation and distinction especially with small percussion such as shakers ect. as their level is low in the mix but the Mini's sure bring them out nice and clear :thumb:.
Was a tad worried that the Mini's and Revel's would be fighting each other,seems they get along great on stage.
Also I noticed the natural ambience of the venue could definitely be heard more thru the Mini's.
I'm quite impressed with what I have heard so far in fact their staying put and the Revel S-30's will go up on the block.
Damn it James,that means I'll have to audition the T's or A's and compare them to the Revel 52's if Audioark still has them.
Or bring them home for a home audition.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jan 2015, 05:02 am
Just received a set of Mini T's today with the new tweets of course(THX Chris)
Their some heavy for their size and very solid :thumb:.
Their mission if they decide to accept is for surround duty backed up with a pair of 7Bsst2's.
So far they like it (THX -10) on the dial but I've only listened for about an hour(wifey called).
Used a concert bluray The Eagles  Farewell Tour I live in Melbourne as their is some nice sax back up and also some small percussion in the back ground.
Great separation and distinction especially with small percussion such as shakers ect. as their level is low in the mix but the Mini's sure bring them out nice and clear :thumb:.
Was a tad worried that the Mini's and Revel's would be fighting each other,seems they get along great on stage.
Also I noticed the natural ambience of the venue could definitely be heard more thru the Mini's.
I'm quite impressed with what I have heard so far in fact their staying put and the Revel S-30's will go up on the block.
Damn it James,that means I'll have to audition the T's or A's and compare them to the Revel 52's if Audioark still has them.
Or bring them home for a home audition.

Glad you are enjoying the speakers.  Try them up front and see what you think. :thumb:

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 28 Jan 2015, 01:52 pm
Yes,that should give me a better indication how the T's will do up front only on a larger scale and a bit of comparison with the 50A's.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jan 2015, 01:55 pm
Yes,that should give me a better indication how the T's will do up front only on a larger scale and a bit of comparison with the 50A's.

Hi Don

I think you will be pleasantly surprised. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Ron D on 28 Jan 2015, 04:58 pm
For whats is worth I have a pair of Middle Ts that replaced a pair of 3.6 Maggies that replaced a pair of Revel F52s - all of which were run at the time with a full Bryston stack including a pair of the latest 7Bs. So I cannot offer a timely and direct comparison between the Middle Ts and the Revels but I wasn't as happy with the Revels, in my room which has its limitations, as I am with the Middle Ts. I know that various speakers will work well with various amps/gear but every path I went down to try and get more out of the F52s always turned me towards moving to a Levinson amp which I didn't want to do. Maybe its a synergy/voicing thing between the Levinson/Revel match up and the same could easily apply to the Bryston gear/speaker set up as well - makes sense to me. I probably would have gone for the Model Ts if I had the room for them but I don't but I'm not looking to change the Middle Ts anytime soon, again for whats is worth.

I haven't heard the Mini Ts in quite a while but they did punch way above their weight class when I did. If its easy enough for you to move them out front it might be a fun and maybe enlightening an exercise.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 28 Jan 2015, 11:55 pm
That's the plan tonight or tomorrow.
Sides the cash flow, it's quite fun as last night I enjoyed the Mini's in back with the 7's.
Now they'll be huffin n puffin with the 28's up front.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Springy on 29 Jan 2015, 06:14 pm
Ron, How did the "T's " compare to the Maggie's for detail? I'm in the market for new mains myself and am giving the Brystons some serious consideration. My system is 7B powered and I've had Maggie's in the past, in fact I just sold my MG2.6R. I was just over at the dealer here in Edmonton and they carry both Maggie's and Bryston. I had quick a listen to the Middle T, Big center and the Mini T along with Revel surrounds and the sound was sublime and very coherent. I didn't have a chance to listen them in a 2 channel environment so it looks like I have to setup an appt to hear Bryston Model T's in their big sound room.  :green:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: servingko on 29 Jan 2015, 06:54 pm
I love the planar sound and spent several months with the 1.7's, but I am currently enjoying the dynamics of the Middle T - great fun!  They have been a very forgiving speaker with regard to placement, but certainly reward you with width and depth when pulled out from the back wall.   If I had to sum it up with one word it would be coherence, great sound from top to bottom.  The bass really is amazing, particularly the articulation.  I ran the 1.7's with two Revel B15's which could shake the foundation, but the Middle T's sound much more realistic - it's just too easy to crank up the lows with a sub.  The Middle T's are in a two channel 90% music system and have more than enough bass for me, particularly with acoustic material.

Paired with the newest SST2 series it sounds fantastic.  With the 4BSST it seemed a bit bass heavy, and an early 4BSST2 seemed just a bit thin, but with my new 3BSST2 my wife thinks it is "just right".   Interestingly enough, I have a later model 2B-LP that really hits hard low - it just runs out of steam and isn't anywhere near as transparent and 3 dimensional - but very good sounding none the less.  My wife doesn't often take much interest in my hobby, other than having to be at home to when FedEx or UPS is scheduled to come, but she has commented a number of times about how much she likes the Middle T - particularly how good it sounds everywhere in the room and even when out of the room.  Normally I make her sit in the sweet spot to experience the magic a speaker can produce, and it does sound the best there, but these sound very good everywhere.   
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Feb 2015, 04:28 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Speaker Reviews


February 2015

Hi Folks,

We have received many excellent reviews over the past while on our Bryston Speakers so please find below links to some of them.


SECRETS OF HOME THEATER – Middle T
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/floor-standing-speakers/floor-standing-speakers-reviews/bryston-middle-t-floor-standing-speakers-review.html

FIVE STARS FOR PERFORMANCE – Middle T
“I’m just gonna cut to the chase and say that the Middle T sounded so good that I listened to it mostly just for pure pleasure… Brent Butterworth, Home Theatre Review.com
http://hometheaterreview.com/bryston-middle-t-floorstanding-speaker-reviewed/

“A reference in their class, the Mini T’s can be compared comfortably with speakers costing two or even three times their asking price. You have to hear these!
Jan Erik Nordoen, Le Magazine Son Image
http://www.bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2013_10_Review_SonandImage_Mini_T.pdf

“The Minis have what it takes to achieve great musical performance proficiency providing engaging overall sound — effortless, intimate, and musical and involving… the kind that captures the very spirit and soul… I have no hesitation recommending the Mini T’s.
Ernie Fischer, Innerearmag.com
http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/speakers/Bryston_Modet_mini-T.shtml

“The sound [of the Bryston Model T Signatures] was simply terrific: big, open, precise imaging, with tremendous dynamics, especially in the bass. The bass is said to be flat to 25Hz, and, based on what I heard, I don’t doubt it. Bryston has a winner here.”
Robert Deutsch, Stereophile show report
http://www.stereophile.com/content/brystons-model-t-speakers

“The Model T is a balls-to-the-wall, highly capable floorstander that offers tremendous levels of control, dynamic ability, and class-leading bass performance.
Aron Garrecht, Soundstagenetwork.com
http://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/579
 
CANADA HI-FI – Middle T
http://canadahifi.com/bryston-middle-t-loudspeakers/

EVERYTHING AUDIO – Mini T
http://everythingaudionetwork.blogspot.ca/2014/12/speaker-review-bryston-mini-t-compact.html

ABSOLUTE SOUND – Mini T
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-mini-t-loudspeaker/

STEREOPHILE MAGAZINE – Middle T
http://www.stereophile.com/content/bryston-middle-t-loudspeaker

HOME THEATER and HIGH FIDELITY – Model A3
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/floor-standing-speakers/floor-standing-speakers-reviews/bryston-model-a3-floor-standing-speaker-review.html

SOUND AND VISION MAGAZINE – Surround System
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/bryston-mini-t-speaker-system

INNER EAR REPORT – Middle T
http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/short_sweet/Bryston_Middle_T.shtml

Blu-Ray Definition Magazine – Mini T
http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/hardware/bryston-mini-speakers-review.html

SOUNDSTAGE – GOOD SOUND – Mini T
http://www.soundstageaccess.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/526
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 1 Feb 2015, 05:05 pm
James:  Seriously considering my next speaker upgrade for my living room system that is currently running Focal Aria 948's.  Focal 1038BE's would be the natural "step up" from the Arias, but the Model T's are getting such rave reviews that I am really wanting to hear them.  And of course they are right in the same price range (thinking Passive Signature T's).

My problem is there appear to be no dealers in North Texas and the only dealer in Texas is in Austin (4 hour drive).  What do you suggest for those of us really wanting to audition the Bryston but faced with a limited dealer network?  Any thoughs about finding a dealer in the Dallas (DFW) area?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Feb 2015, 05:51 pm
James:  Seriously considering my next speaker upgrade for my living room system that is currently running Focal Aria 948's.  Focal 1038BE's would be the natural "step up" from the Arias, but the Model T's are getting such rave reviews that I am really wanting to hear them.  And of course they are right in the same price range (thinking Passive Signature T's).

My problem is there appear to be no dealers in North Texas and the only dealer in Texas is in Austin (4 hour drive).  What do you suggest for those of us really wanting to audition the Bryston but faced with a limited dealer network?  Any thoughs about finding a dealer in the Dallas (DFW) area?

Hi scirica

It really is a problem for me as most dealers need another speaker like a hole in the head.  Candidly I have just been referring interested customers that live in areas where we do not have speaker dealers to our dealers that stock and demo our speakers.  But I realize without an audition it is a difficult decision for our customers. Fortunately this has worked out for us as no one I am aware of has returned speakers to our current dealers once they hear them in their setup.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 1 Feb 2015, 07:25 pm
Totally understand your dilemna James! Given your response, how do I determine which dealers actually have Model T's set up for listening? My work takes me to the San Francisco Bay Area, Los Angeles, and Houston on a regular basis, so if there are dealers you can refer me to that would be wonderful.

And I do believe that people don't return your speakers after home auditions!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: AJAudio on 2 Feb 2015, 02:01 am
And as far as I can tell, I've not seen any on the used aftermarket department...

I've been monitoring a lot here in Canada, but I've not came across any ads for any of the used Bryston speaker line.

(I've only seen a Middle-T demo ad from a dealer in last october but it was bad timing for me at the time...)

So either no body buys them...

Or people who buy them, keeps them!

(Must be the second option...  :-))

And I have the same problem about auditionning.  It's a 2 or 3 hours drive to reach a dealer that has the Bryston speaker line for demo.

I guess that I'll just have to make another sacrifial lamb offering for a pair of Mini-T to come my way...
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 2 Feb 2015, 03:06 am
I've had my Model T passives for about a year. I bought them last February and I won't be selling them.

My main concern was they where going to be too big for my 11'x 25'x 8' room. They're room friendly as I using them in an unconventional setup, reflecting the direct sound off the back wall. I'm getting a strong 8'x 10' phantom stereo image coming off the front wall, and it's not overpowering the room.

The Model T passives though are capable of heavy bass vibe. I used Paradigm Studio 100 v2 which are now doing surround duty in the corners. The Model T outclasses them in every way and the Studio 100 is a pretty good speaker, which outclassed any other Paradigm speaker.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Feb 2015, 02:59 pm
Hi Folks,

Sneak peak on Model T review


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=114136)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=114137)

james

Heres the link:
ftp://ftp.bryston.com/pub/brochures/Bryston_Model_T_Feb_2015.pdf
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 2 Feb 2015, 09:06 pm
James:  Seriously considering my next speaker upgrade for my living room system that is currently running Focal Aria 948's.  Focal 1038BE's would be the natural "step up" from the Arias, but the Model T's are getting such rave reviews that I am really wanting to hear them.  And of course they are right in the same price range (thinking Passive Signature T's).

My problem is there appear to be no dealers in North Texas and the only dealer in Texas is in Austin (4 hour drive).  What do you suggest for those of us really wanting to audition the Bryston but faced with a limited dealer network?  Any thoughs about finding a dealer in the Dallas (DFW) area?

Hi scririca,

I have had the good fortune to audition both the 1038 BE's and the Model T Passive (internal x-over).  When I first listened to the Focals I was really impressed with their top to bottom coherence, crystal clear highs, three dimensional soundstage and imaging.  They shot right to the top of my list at the time.  I didn't have them on my list when I went to audition the ML Summit X and Montis.  I think the salesman sensed I wasn't warming up to either when he rolled out the 1038's and suggested I give them a listen. 

Currently owning a pair of Infinity 9 Kappas which each sport a pair of 12" woofers and a mid bass driver I had a lingering concern about their overall bass performance although the bass they did play was rock solid and musical they were missing that tactile dimension I've come to know and love with the Infinity's.  I also was concerned about the sharpness of leading edges in some familiar recordings.  I've always used the first 14 notes of the second movement of Beethoven's 7th Symphony as my benchmark for this and Focals did not measure up to the Infinitys here.  You know how when you consider new speakers you are looking to improve on some areas but don't want to lose what you like in the bargain.

Anyway, The Model T's I found to keep pace with the aforementioned items I liked about the 1038's but were noticeably superior in my two areas of concern.  Also worthy of note is that I was able to A/B the Model T's against none other than the Revel Salon2's.  I won't say the Model T's do everything as well as the Salons but they do some things as well and hold their own very well overall at about 40% of the price.

BTW, I think the 1038's retail at around $13K and the T-Sigs even with three good pairs of crossover cables and XL outriggers will come in a couple $K less.

Hope this helps.

Bill
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Feb 2015, 06:32 pm
NEW SPEAKER BROCHURE:

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/brochures/MODEL_T_A_BROCHURE.pdf
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Feb 2015, 07:10 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini A Bookshelf Speaker  Show Demo


February 2015

Hi James,


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=114716)

The NORDDEUTSCHE HIFI DAYS 2015 Show in Hamburg was great, only 2 days, but especially on Saturday totally full of visitors. And we had just fantastic feedback on Bryston Mini-A speakers which we played with B60 and B135.

The last day before show ends one visitor (who visited us several times with friend during the day) came and asked if he can buy speakers on the show and take with him.

This is great and very unusual in Europe to sell equipment at an audio show.

Also today one reviewer of one important German magazine called us that he would like to test the  Bryston Mini A based on what he heard at the show!

Best regards,
Edvard
Email: edvard.potisk@avitech.at
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 10 Feb 2015, 09:30 pm
I am tempted to try the Mini A's..AA has a demo pair for sale. Don't know how they will compare to my beautiful B&W 805 sigs in red birdseye. I am using a Parasound JC2 pre amp and a Parasound Halo A52 amp at 125 per channel.

 Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Feb 2015, 09:39 pm
I am tempted to try the Mini A's..AA has a demo pair for sale. Don't know how they will compare to my beautiful B&W 805 sigs in red birdseye. I am using a Parasound JC2 pre amp and a Parasound Halo A52 amp at 125 per channel.

 Any thoughts?

Hi Gene

It looks like you would have enough power so that should not be an issue.  Would be a good comparison. 

We have 2 more reviews currently in the works with the Mini A's coming this month which are also superb from what my spies tell me  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 10 Feb 2015, 11:34 pm
placed the order through Tim at AA.......... :D
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Feb 2015, 12:21 am
placed the order through Tim at AA.......... :D

Great = looking forward to your feedback - can you post a picture of your current setup?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 11 Feb 2015, 05:20 pm
here's a few photos of current setup

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/IMG_20150211_121228646_HDR.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/IMG_20150211_121228646_HDR.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/IMG_20150211_121427369_HDR.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/IMG_20150211_121427369_HDR.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Feb 2015, 06:22 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T Speaker – Editors Choice Award


February 2015

I am pleased to announce that the Bryston Mini T loudspeakers has received a 2015 Editors Choice Award from Absolute Sound Magazine.

The Bryston MINI T speaker was chosen in the category: “BEST AUDIO GEAR of 2015” !


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=114762)

Here’s what they had to say:

BRYSTON MINI T:

“Bryston’s foray into loudspeakers addresses the perfectly reasonable question that if ruler-flat frequency response is expected from electronics, why shouldn’t the same be expected from loudspeakers? More the product of careful development than the application of wonder materials.

The Mini T proved to be the best-measuring loudspeaker RD has yet experienced-as well as a sonic standout, having the rare ability to recreate the cues that make music sound live.”

Ron Doering
Absolute Sound Magazine
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Feb 2015, 06:26 pm
here's a few photos of current setup

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/IMG_20150211_121228646_HDR.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/IMG_20150211_121228646_HDR.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/IMG_20150211_121427369_HDR.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/IMG_20150211_121427369_HDR.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/IMG_20150211_121317178.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/IMG_20150211_121317178.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/IMG_20150211_121236556_HDR.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/IMG_20150211_121236556_HDR.jpg.html)

Nice setup!

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 11 Feb 2015, 11:13 pm
noooooooooooo...one of the speakers turns out to be damaged.....they are offering me a great deal to take them..but...

can it be fixed?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=114774)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=114775)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Feb 2015, 11:42 pm
I think I would have to replace the cabinets.

Who would treat speakers that way?

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 12 Feb 2015, 12:00 am
yeah...glad they called before shipping them.....besides the great offer to take these, they offered to replace speakers with a new pair at demo price. They are great in that store. Perhaps they will let me audition these and if I feel Mini A's are keepers, exchange them for a new pair. The demos are vinyl but I would order a wood finish. I would gladly pay shipping fees to try them out. Otherwise I may never hear a Bryston speaker.  :|
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 13 Feb 2015, 05:08 pm
I am having the speakers shipped to me to demo.Afterwards I will be offering them for sale here for someone else to try b4 returning them. These might serve well for others to try a Bryston speaker where listening and seeing them is impossible as it is here in NY.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Feb 2015, 05:13 pm
I am having the speakers shipped to me to demo.Afterwards I will be offering them for sale here for someone else to try b4 returning them. These might serve well for others to try a Bryston speaker where listening and seeing them is impossible as it is here in NY.

Hi

So are you getting the damaged pair?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 13 Feb 2015, 11:08 pm
yes at a nice discount and I can return them no problem......but I will try to sell them here discounted if anyone wants them to demo.If not and I decide the mini A's keepers, I will exchange for a new pair in a nice wood finish. It is only the one speaker that has the damage. The other is in perfect condition.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Feb 2015, 11:56 pm
yes at a nice discount and I can return them no problem......but I will try to sell them here discounted if anyone wants them to demo.If not and I decide the mini A's keepers, I will exchange for a new pair in a nice wood finish. It is only the one speaker that has the damage. The other is in perfect condition.

Ok thanks - I will be very interested in your assessment.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 17 Feb 2015, 11:29 pm
speakers arrived today..damage to the one speaker looked worse in photos. I set them up on the B&W stands and left them running for 5 hours b4 I got home with the XM radio Coffee House Station. For the last couple of hours I played a bunch LP's , and cd's. They need quite a bit of break in time so I won't comment on pluses and minuses for a while yet. I have been concentrating on placement and right now I have settled on facing straight ahead, 15 inches from the back of the speakers to the wall and 92 inches separating the speakers from center to center. The vinyl cherry looks really good and they feel heavier than the reported weight.

electronics:

Parasound JC2
Parasound Halo A52
Krell dvd as cd transport
Bryston BDA1
Rega p3-24 with Exact cartridge and TTPSU
Cambridge Azur 540 phone preamp
Marantz 8003 pre amp processor

Cables, mostly Audioquest King Cobra Balanced XLR, Audioquest Diamondback and Black Mamba

Kimber Kable 8T speaker cabling

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/IMG_20150217_163135890.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/IMG_20150217_163135890.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/IMG_20150217_163115443_HDR.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/IMG_20150217_163115443_HDR.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/IMG_20150217_162720377.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/IMG_20150217_162720377.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/IMG_20150217_162702802.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/IMG_20150217_162702802.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Feb 2015, 11:35 pm
Hi

Please give them about 30 hours and what stands are you using?

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 18 Feb 2015, 12:11 am
the B&W stands for my 805 sigs...
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Feb 2015, 12:14 am
Thanks I thought they looked like Target stands

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 18 Feb 2015, 03:49 pm
here 's final placement photo.....ran them 8 hours yesterday and will continue break in period over the next few days. Will replay same music tonight after running them all day today while I am out. I got to admit, it is really hard to tell these are vinyl finish. They look that good.

ps. Velodyne sub not used in 2 channel music. It is for HT use only.


(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/013.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/013.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Feb 2015, 03:55 pm
Hi Gene

Yes I think vinyl gets a bad rap theses days - the newer quality vinyls are hard to tell apart from real wood veneers.

Looking forward to your assessment.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Feb 2015, 11:49 am
HI Folks,

Sneak Peak:

Mini A speaker review due out next week:

"This is quite amazing accomplishment at this price point, and it makes me wonder what Bryston has done at the higher end of the speaker line.

The Bryston Mini A, at $1200 a pair, is a class leader in my opinion."

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 19 Feb 2015, 03:40 pm
here's a look at the damage to the one speaker. I have touched up the back with a little brown wax and will give it a few more coats and polish it. This way when it's time to return these or if someone buys them here, they will look much better than the original damage photos. Please note, the damage is cosmetic only an does not affect the speaker performance in any way.


(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/007.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/007.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/003.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/003.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Feb 2015, 03:43 pm
Thanks Gene - looks much better.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 20 Feb 2015, 05:31 pm

...yes, looks like the speaker needs some kind of first aid :wink:

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Feb 2015, 12:43 pm
Hi Folks,

Sneak Peak - Check this out - it is the polar response of the Bryston Mini A speaker soon to be published in a review. - he calls it a "little Jewell"


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=115548)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 21 Feb 2015, 01:15 pm
looks obscene..LOL.
Still breaking in the Mini A's, close to 30 hours now. They will be running most of the day again today. Hope to sit down with them tomorrow for a while, but still want to give them a few more days before some serious listening. I love the classic look of them. I keep the grilles off so I can admire them even when watching tv.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Feb 2015, 01:46 pm
Coming Soon:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=115353)

Here's some non-CES goodness:

Action shots of axial and polar measurements of Bryston's Mini-A in my living room.

Without giving too much away, their "Family of Curves" talk is more than just talk. These compact 3-ways have extraordinarily broad and even dispersion.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=115354)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=115355)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Feb 2015, 02:06 pm
looks obscene..LOL.
Still breaking in the Mini A's, close to 30 hours now. They will be running most of the day again today. Hope to sit down with them tomorrow for a while, but still want to give them a few more days before some serious listening. I love the classic look of them. I keep the grilles off so I can admire them even when watching tv.

Hi Gene

I like the look as well and as far as I know this is the smallest "True 3-Way" I am aware of.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TomS on 21 Feb 2015, 02:06 pm
James,

Very nice. What software do you use to capture the polars?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Feb 2015, 02:09 pm
James,

Very nice. What software do you use to capture the polars?

Hi Tom

These are not my measurements - they are the reviewers - the review does cover what measuring tools he used but will not be out for a week or two.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TomS on 21 Feb 2015, 02:45 pm
Hi Tom

These are not my measurements - they are the reviewers - the review does cover what measuring tools he used but will not be out for a week or two.

james

Thanks! I'll take a look in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 22 Feb 2015, 04:37 pm
Started some listening last night. Toed in speakers slightly and that improved imaging and sound stage. Played cd's only from krell through the BdA 1 Dac. Started with Struntz and Farah's HEAT OF THE NIGHT. The guitars sounded very life like and detailed. The sound of these speakers are very different than my B&W 805 sig's so I will not try to compare them as planned but concentrate on the Mini A's on their own. I followed with David Benoit's HERE'S TO YOU CHARLIE BROWN which was so detailed and different from any way I had ever heard this cd before. If you don't own this cd, pick it up. Everything, instruments, guitars , piano, keyboards, and even the vocals was astonishing. I could swear I heard details and instruments and sounds that I never experienced in the many times I have listened to this disc over the years with several different speakers and electronics. I followed that up with Joe Sample's SAMPLE THIS. This disc seemed to be lacking something. First I thought that perhaps adding my subwoofer might improve the sound but decided that perhaps my medium volume listening might be the issue. So I turned up the JC2 slightly and WOW did the speakers sing. Seems that they like being played loud, or in my setup ,just a little louder than my normal volume and listening levels. Next I played Tony Bennet's SIMPLY FRANK. It was like Tony was right here in my room. This is also a great cd to own as the vocals and orchestration are fantastic. Tony's voice which can be pretty sour and flat at times ,came across with all it's beauty and ugliness that might make him wish he re-cut some of the songs if he heard them on the MINI A's.

Still a long way to go and some more break in, but right now they are very impressive . Next I will try a combo of LP's and cd's and then as fronts in my HT.


James,
perhaps you can fill me on these speakers history
serial numbers

4711803143001 and 002

there were small screws stuck to one of the grilles that are magnetized. They match the screws of the tweeter

thanks,

Gene
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Feb 2015, 05:13 pm
Started some listening last night. Toed in speakers slightly and that improved imaging and sound stage. Played cd's only from krell through the BdA 1 Dac. Started with Struntz and Farah's HEAT OF THE NIGHT. The guitars sounded very life like and detailed. The sound of these speakers are very different than my B&W 805 sig's so I will not try to compare them as planned but concentrate on the Mini A's on their own. I followed with David Benoit's HERE'S TO YOU CHARLIE BROWN which was so detailed and different from any way I had ever heard this cd before. If you don't own this cd, pick it up. Everything, instruments, guitars , piano, keyboards, and even the vocals was astonishing. I could swear I heard details and instruments and sounds that I never experienced in the many times I have listened to this disc over the years with several different speakers and electronics. I followed that up with Joe Sample's SAMPLE THIS. This disc seemed to be lacking something. First I thought that perhaps adding my subwoofer might improve the sound but decided that perhaps my medium volume listening might be the issue. So I turned up the JC2 slightly and WOW did the speakers sing. Seems that they like being played loud, or in my setup ,just a little louder than my normal volume and listening levels. Next I played Tony Bennet's SIMPLY FRANK. It was like Tony was right here in my room. This is also a great cd to own as the vocals and orchestration are fantastic. Tony's voice which can be pretty sour and flat at times ,came across with all it's beauty and ugliness that might make him wish he re-cut some of the songs if he heard them on the MINI A's.

Still a long way to go and some more break in, but right now they are very impressive . Next I will try a combo of LP's and cd's and then as fronts in my HT.


James,
perhaps you can fill me on these speakers history
serial numbers

4711803143001 and 002

there were small screws stuck to one of the grilles that are magnetized. They match the screws of the tweeter

thanks,

Gene

Hi Gene

Thanks for the feedback - glad you are enjoying them

There is not much history as they were sold about 2 months ago to AA and they have been using them as demos.  Not sure what the screw issue is - there are no missing screws I assume?

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Feb 2015, 05:14 pm
Hi James

Listening to some older "live" John Mayer on my Middle T's - match made in heaven James. These speakers are so much fun to listen to. They are playing quite loud and my wife approves as do my young boys. All are enjoying this morn as we enjoy our morning before we go sledding.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=115452)

Speakers are really coming into their own!!!!

Mayors guitar is bang, voice is big smooth and precise, drummers efforts are crazy real, kick drum is presented in a very powerful accurate manner, the dual 8's keep right up with regardless of what he throws at them. Mayor has a lot going in his recordings and speakers don't miss a single beat.  So much fun to listen to......

Just thought I would share how impressed I am.

Sincerely,
Greg Gauthier
President & System Designer
Prestige Audio Visual Design Group Inc.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 22 Feb 2015, 05:17 pm
Hi Gene

Thanks for the feedback - glad you are enjoying them

There is not much history as they were sold about 2 months ago to AA and they have been using them as demos.  Not sure what the screw issue is - there are no missing screws I assume/

james

no....perhaps when installing the tweeters a couple a screws got "lost" because they were drawn to inside of the removable grille that is magnetized.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Feb 2015, 02:25 pm
Thanks! I'll take a look in a couple weeks.

Hi Tom

I just received the full review which should go live next month - I must say it it the most thorough review I have seen in a long time - the measurements vs the listening experience is really well done.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 23 Feb 2015, 05:10 pm
Perhaps more break in is needed but the mini A's fell flat on their faces when playing LP's. I am using a Rega p3-24 with an Exact cartridge and Cambridge 540 Azur Phono pre amp. I played Diana Krall's latest, WALLFLOWER, not her best, and it was flat, tinny and very harsh. I then tried SantanA's AMIGOS, the speakers corners remaster, the track GITANO which is  outstanding ,was mediocre at best;. Thinking maybe something was wrong, I re set up My B&W 805 sig's and and the music from my Turntable came to life. I then set the mini A's back up and put on XM radio Coffee House, and the mini A's just loved it. Are these speakers meant for digital and streaming but not old fashioned analog? Time will tell as they are up and running again all day while I am out and will wait a few more days before playing LP's again.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Feb 2015, 05:51 pm
Perhaps more break in is needed but the mini A's fell flat on their faces when playing LP's. I am using a Rega p3-24 with an Exact cartridge and Cambridge 540 Azur Phono pre amp. I played Diana Krall's latest, WALLFLOWER, not her best, and it was flat, tinny and very harsh. I then tried SantanA's AMIGOS, the speakers corners remaster, the track GITANO which is  outstanding ,was mediocre at best;. Thinking maybe something was wrong, I re set up My B&W 805 sig's and and the music from my Turntable came to life. I then set the mini A's back up and put on XM radio Coffee House, and the mini A's just loved it. Are these speakers meant for digital and streaming but not old fashioned analog? Time will tell as they are up and running again all day while I am out and will wait a few more days before playing LP's again.

Hi Gene

It should not matter what the source is?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 23 Feb 2015, 07:57 pm
Agree, I think his results are saying more about his source than anything else. Of course, not hearing the system, I am just making
an educated guess.

To my way of thinking, speakers don't love or hate anything, if designed to be rather neutral, like I think Bryston speakers have, they simply are reflecting what ever is downstream?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 23 Feb 2015, 10:05 pm
nothing wrong the source..the B&W's prove that. They were placed on the stands in the exact position as the Bryston's.Lps via turntable were bad sounding on the Mini A's but not the 805's. Just stating the facts as I hear them. The B&W's are well broken in obviously so I plan to keep on giving the Mini A's more time to break in. They are still very new. I had not wanted to compare these two sets of speakers but had no choice when I heard the harsh sound produced. It took me as a surprise considering how they sounded with Cd playback and the XM signal. I had to be sure and when the B&Ws sounded fine I knew all was fine with the setup. I'm sure they need more time and this is a test in progress.  I am not trying to prove anything with meters, computers,microphones, etc in some perfect pro setup room. Just sharing my experience and what you might expect in your own home






Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 23 Feb 2015, 11:04 pm
Actually the only reason I went down that path was due to the fact your other sources seemed to sound fine, which is a bit odd. I just can't see there being that
big a disparity. But I trust you know your system well. Curious to see if things improve. 8)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Feb 2015, 11:48 pm
Hi Folks,

Another Bryston Mini A speaker review - starting to be recognized as setting a standard in their category.

http://www.avrev.com/home-theater-loudspeakers/bookshelf-monitor-loudspeakers/bryston-mini-a-loudspeaker-review.html

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 24 Feb 2015, 04:55 am
Nice review!!.

Glad to see the use of the BDA-1 DAC which I also have. It notes that he used them for several months before writing his review. That is why I am not discouraged about LP playback as mine are only a week in use. On the digital end, I can agree with his description of how great the cd's he listened to sounded. They are so realistic  with vocals and instruments. Unlike any I have heard before myself. I also agree on how well they are made and the beautiful fit and finish. Mine are the vinyls and they are superb.  I like that he used several different amps, including a Carver tube amp, so others that have similar amps can relate to how they might sound on their systems. Interesting that he changed the jumpers to improve the sound. Ya never know about little tweaks. I might try my Sig's jumpers for the heck of it as well as changing out my Acoustic Zen cables from phono pre to some Audioquest Diamond backs that I have as spares. They are very addicting speakers and very easy to fall in love with.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Feb 2015, 11:21 am
Nice review!!.

Glad to see the use of the BDA-1 DAC which I also have. It notes that he used them for several months before writing his review. That is why I am not discouraged about LP playback as mine are only a week in use. On the digital end, I can agree with his description of how great the cd's he listened to sounded. They are so realistic  with vocals and instruments. Unlike any I have heard before myself. I also agree on how well they are made and the beautiful fit and finish. Mine are the vinyls and they are superb.  I like that he used several different amps, including a Carver tube amp, so others that have similar amps can relate to how they might sound on their systems. Interesting that he changed the jumpers to improve the sound. Ya never know about little tweaks. I might try my Sig's jumpers for the heck of it as well as changing out my Acoustic Zen cables from phono pre to some Audioquest Diamond backs that I have as spares. They are very addicting speakers and very easy to fall in love with.

Thanks Gene - I really liked his comments regarding the fact that the speakers were able to resolve changes in the front end.  That's what a neutral speaker should do and even in our first reviews on the Model T speakers the two major comments were - 'These speakers tell you whats's going on with you're sources' and 'These speakers are really FUN to listen too"

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 26 Feb 2015, 02:35 pm
Good news on the TT isuue. Changing the cables did the trick. The cables were creating some bad sound issues that did not happen with the B&W's but weren't good for the Bryston's. The Audioquest Diamondbacks have my TT playing beautifully now.

PS. The Audioquest Black Mamba's were harsh as well. Cables do make a difference if anyone thinks not.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Feb 2015, 03:04 pm
Good news on the TT isuue. Changing the cables did the trick. The cables were creating some bad sound issues that did not happen with the B&W's but weren't good for the Bryston's. The Audioquest Diamondbacks have my TT playing beautifully now.

PS. The Audioquest Black Mamba's were harsh as well. Cables do make a difference if anyone thinks not.

Hi gene

So these are the cables from the Turntable into the Phono stage?

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 26 Feb 2015, 09:12 pm
the cables from the Cambridge phono stage to the Parasound JC2 pre amp seem to be the culprit for some crazy reason but there is no mistaking how much difference the Diamond backs made in the sound.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 27 Feb 2015, 02:59 pm
Last night's listenings were all vinyl LP's. First up was the Mono Remaster of the Beatles SGT PEPPER. The sound and detail was terrific and the music was spot on in the center of my listening set up. I am not a big fan of the MONO remasters as others are. I own several original mono's of the Beatles and they sound much better than the new releases. Next was the Stereo remaster of REVOLVER. The playback was incredible and the fun of sound mixing that the Beatles like to use was as good as it gets. The track of YELLOW SUBMARINE had me laughing out loud. Next was my original pressing of the soundtrack of A HARD DAY'S NIGHT. This was the first Beatles LP I ever bought and picked up prior to even seeing the movie later that week.It is about 51 years and has been played on some of the worst record players ever but it is still one of my prize possessions. It was amazing on the Mini A's. Every detail of this High Fidelity lp was beautiful to hear. It was as if this is what the Mini A 's were built for. Definitely the star of the show last night. I would own these speakers if only to play back this record. It was that good. Next up was another mono album Frank Sinatra's STRANGERS IN THE NIGHT. I thoroughly enjoyed the sound produced by the Mini A's from this LP. Welcome to my home Frank. On to another Sinatra, the recently remastered COME FLY WITH ME. This lp is very smooth and detailed and the speakers made this a pleasure to listen to. Finished up with one side of the great 2 LP set of John Williams STAR WARS. The soundtrack orchestrations sounded beautiful and the final track, the scene from THE CANTINA jumped right out at you.Tomorrow I plan on more vinyl. Probably more rock and definitely some more soundtracks such as the new RED VINYL release of  BLADE RUNNER.If anyone has an lp or cd they would like me to check out, let me know. If I have have it, I will give it a spin.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Feb 2015, 06:04 pm
Last night's listenings were all vinyl LP's. First up was the Mono Remaster of the Beatles SGT PEPPER. The sound and detail was terrific and the music was spot on in the center of my listening set up. I am not a big fan of the MONO remasters as others are. I own several original mono's of the Beatles and they sound much better than the new releases. Next was the Stereo remaster of REVOLVER. The playback was incredible and the fun of sound mixing that the Beatles like to use was as good as it gets. The track of YELLOW SUBMARINE had me laughing out loud. Next was my original pressing of the soundtrack of A HARD DAY'S NIGHT. This was the first Beatles LP I ever bought and picked up prior to even seeing the movie later that week.It is about 51 years and has been played on some of the worst record players ever but it is still one of my prize possessions. It was amazing on the Mini A's. Every detail of this High Fidelity lp was beautiful to hear. It was as if this is what the Mini A 's were built for. Definitely the star of the show last night. I would own these speakers if only to play back this record. It was that good. Next up was another mono album Frank Sinatra's STRANGERS IN THE NIGHT. I thoroughly enjoyed the sound produced by the Mini A's from this LP. Welcome to my home Frank. On to another Sinatra, the recently remastered COME FLY WITH ME. This lp is very smooth and detailed and the speakers made this a pleasure to listen to. Finished up with one side of the great 2 LP set of John Williams STAR WARS. The soundtrack orchestrations sounded beautiful and the final track, the scene from THE CANTINA jumped right out at you.Tomorrow I plan on more vinyl. Probably more rock and definitely some more soundtracks such as the new RED VINYL release of  BLADE RUNNER.If anyone has an lp or cd they would like me to check out, let me know. If I have have it, I will give it a spin.

Hi Gene

Thanks for the update - I am planning a weekend myself with the Mini A's !!!!!

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 2 Mar 2015, 02:15 pm
Got to see the British Invasion Tour Saturday night at the local Music Hall in Tarrytown..incredible to see Denny Lane, Billy J Kramer, Hollies, Searchers. Peter Asham of Peter and Gordon, and others, Chad and Jeremy were terrific and I bought a live concert cd they were selling. They signed it for me and Denny Lane signed my Rockshow blu ray that I had brought along. Great to meet all of them after the show. I played the C& J concert cd Sunday and it sounded so live on the Mini A's it was like being back in the hall. It is a beautiful acoustic live performance. The Mini A's are breaking in nicely now and anything I throw at them sounds top notch. I also added the use of my Velodyne subwoofer to accompany the speakers so more to follow.

PS: I did use the speakers for HT fronts and they handled surround fine. Guardians of the Galaxy was a good test with the music tracks that play directly from the fronts.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Mar 2015, 07:37 pm
Hi Folks,

Jeff at Soundstage Magazine is doing a review on our Middle T - looks like a really nice setup!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=115987)

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 8 Mar 2015, 06:24 pm
So how did your weekend with the Mini A's go?  :D

Big decision week..sell this set at a low price  or return them. I have to pay return shipping.  I will then order pair in a Wood finish.Either way the Mini A's are going to be a part of my set up for quite some time . My 805 sig's will get some rest for the time being but they will never be sold.

I am thinking around 800 , my cost of speakers plus shipping via Fed Ex to anywhere in the continental USA. Assuming one doesn't mind the one speaker with the dings. That' 400 less than the cost of a new pair, without dings of course.

I have 100% Positive feedback on Audiogon for several years and over 300 plus on e-bay and would never consider selling them if there was an issue the one speaker just in case anyone is thinking about them.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Mar 2015, 06:32 pm
So how did your weekend with the Mini A's go?  :D

Big decision week..sell this set at a low price  or return them. I have to pay return shipping.  I will then order pair in a Wood finish.Either way the Mini A's are going to be a part of my set up for quite some time . My 805 sig's will get some rest for the time being but they will never be sold.

I am thinking around 800 , my cost of speakers plus shipping via Fed Ex to anywhere in the continental USA. Assuming one doesn't mind the one speaker with the dings. That' 400 less than the cost of a new pair, without dings of course.

I have 100% Positive feedback on Audiogon for several years and over 300 plus on e-bay and would never consider selling them if there was an issue the one speaker just in case anyone is thinking about them.

Hi Gene

I'm still at it ! - Trying all my different types of music. 

I have owned a lot of speakers in my day and in rare cases I find myself not wanting to go to bed but instead just listen to one more selection - :lol:  In the case of the Mini A's I find myself enjoying rather than assessing.  :thumb:  They are just so much fun to listen to.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Mar 2015, 04:16 pm
Hi Folks,

Please see the attached link.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/bookshelf-speakers/bookshelf-speakers/bryston-mini-a-bookshelf-speakers-review.html

This is a very extensive review on our Mini A bookshelf speaker from The Secrets of Home Theater Magazine – please pay close attention to the reviewers comments on the ‘SUPERIOR POLAR’ response as we think it says a lot about how real speakers will perform in real rooms!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 9 Mar 2015, 09:50 pm
Interesting that he preferred them straight ahead. I did at first but now have them slightly toed in. Perhaps since his placement is very close to sidewalls according to his measurements. I also used them without a subwoofer until the past few days as I too wanted to hear them on their own. I understand what he is saying about getting a sub to blend in with the Mini A's. It took me a bit of tweaking to get it sounding right. I will try plugging the back ports also. I just did my laundry so plenty of clean socks..LOL. He lost me and I am sure others by being over technical in his testing methods and use of software. He should edit and remove that part of his article. Those tests as well as video tests for tv's are meant for machines not human ears and eyes. As a regular at the VE annual Tv shootouts, machines and software are pleased with the results, but those of us there see the failures in real time viewing. In other words, the machines see perfect results but they are not in tune with the human eye. So too, his over testing and measuring  time could have been better spent breaking in the speakers and listening to music and movies. His results speak nothing of actual quality of sound of the Mini A's to the human ear. I believe, since there is no mention of break in time, that some of the harshness was the result of lack of break in.

A good review in some ways. More of an engineer's review than an audiophile's. Some geeks may like it. I don't see using the MIni A's as a desktop speaker. I am really enjoying having the Mini A's in my home. If I was to refer anyone to this article, I would use a lot of white out before letting them read it.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Mar 2015, 11:37 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: 2015 CES Report


March 2015
 

Been a while since I posted here but just thought I'd share my experience, as I was able to go to the 2015 CES this year

A real shocker (closer to the realm of reality as far as price goes) was the Bryston Mini-T speaker.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116530)


These speakers are stand mount, IIRC they're 22" tall.

The sound radiating from these was absolutely stunning and very full range for a more compact loudspeaker, I believe they're about $3200 the pair.

Mattsk8





ED: - System on demo was:

Bryston 7B SST2 Mono Amplifiers
Bryston BP26 Preamp
Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player
Bryston BDA-2 DAC
Bryston Mini T Loudspeakers

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 10 Mar 2015, 01:16 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: 2015 CES Report


March 2015
 

Been a while since I posted here but just thought I'd share my experience, as I was able to go to the 2015 CES this year

A real shocker (closer to the realm of reality as far as price goes) was the Bryston Mini-T speaker.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116530)


These speakers are stand mount, IIRC they're 22" tall.

The sound radiating from these was absolutely stunning and very full range for a more compact loudspeaker, I believe they're about $3200 the pair.

Mattsk8





ED: - System on demo was:

Bryston 7B SST2 Mono Amplifiers
Bryston BP26 Preamp
Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player
Bryston BDA-2 DAC
Bryston Mini T Loudspeakers


I would love to hear them.....especially now with the great experience I am having with the Mini A's..gotta get someone in NY to showcase them. I went to Lyric Hi Fi the other day. They are biggest audio store still around with 2 locations. When I spoke to the manager of the White Plains store who is a friend for many years, He had no clue Bryston was making speakers. James, you should contact them, even for a one day demonstration.  :green:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Mar 2015, 02:27 pm
Hi Gene

They are not a Bryston dealer so as you say they would not be aware of our speakers but thanks for the endorsement !!!!!  :thumb:

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 12 Mar 2015, 01:06 pm
Last night I removed the jumpers and Bi-wired the speakers. I would be hard pressed to say I heard any significant difference as the Mini A's are so detailed to begin with. There is a more noticeable difference when I did this with my 805 sig's. Since this is my normal set up , the wiring will stay this way. I can tell you that I am preferring the detailed sound of the Mini A 's over the smooth sound of the 805's. Maybe I have been listening to them too much..LOL.

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/065.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/065.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Mar 2015, 01:09 pm
Hi gene

Yes I bi-wire mine at home as well as my cables are set up that way also.

By the way did you purchase that pair or a new pair?

james



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 12 Mar 2015, 01:36 pm
Still have the original pair.....Hard to decide since I got them at a great price because of the cabinet damage to the one speaker and they sound so great. I will be in touch with AA this week as it's about the time to return them or sell them privately. If you know of anyone who would be interested in them at 800 shipped via Fed Ex here in USA let me know. I will gladly show any and all photos of what the one speaker looked like and how it looks now after touch up. I assure you it sounds perfect or I would not consider selling them and just do a return. But I would like to give someone here a chance to own them and pass the savings along.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Anonamemouse on 15 Mar 2015, 10:43 am
http://www.hifi.nl/artikel/23105//Bryston-kondigt-Mini-A-luidspreker-aan.html

(Google translate is your friend)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Mar 2015, 11:00 am
http://www.hifi.nl/artikel/23105//Bryston-kondigt-Mini-A-luidspreker-aan.html

(Google translate is your friend)

Hi Anonamemouse

Thanks you for posting this - what price is $12,000 translated to USA funds please?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 15 Mar 2015, 11:30 am
Must be a wrong quote James, MIniA are listed in this article for 12K american dollars.

Only proves Bryston needs to check its sales channel in the Netherlands, Ive already mailed Mafico several times to audition the ModelT, without any response whatsoever...
No mentioning of the speakers on their website either, nor in their pricelist.

Hope it gets better ...
Marius

 
Hi Anonamemouse

Thanks you for posting this - what price is $12,000 translated to USA funds please?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Mar 2015, 12:00 pm
Must be a wrong quote James, MIniA are listed in this article for 12K american dollars.

Only proves Bryston needs to check its sales channel in the Netherlands, Ive already mailed Mafico several times to audition the ModelT, without any response whatsoever...
No mentioning of the speakers on their website either, nor in their pricelist.

Hope it gets better ...
Marius

Thanks Marius

Yes talk about a WRONG price - Gee's

Should say $1200 a pair US.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Mar 2015, 01:58 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston SUBS

March 2015

Review of Bryston Model T Subs
3/16/15

I’ve seen lots of reviews and comments on Bryston’s fabulous loudspeaker line, however little on their subwoofers.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116933)

I was fortunate enough to acquire a full surround set of the Model T loudspeakers and a pair of model T subs all at once. The demo of the Middle T at CES 2014 just blew me away to the point that I just had to have the best Bryston had to offer. The subs in my system are driven by a Bryston SP3 processor with the crossover set at 80Hz. Connection is made with Wireworld Eclipse Series 7 balanced cables.

The Model T subwoofer is an amazing product that outperforms any other subwoofer I have heard as well as integrates perfectly with the speakers. The subs never stick out sonically. The DSP controlled built in amplifier provides what seems like limitless power without any hint of clipping. Yes, absolutely no clipping. It sits in the room looking and sounding very relaxed as it fills in the bottom end of any content. It will also rock your house with the most challenging movie.

Like the Bryston loudspeakers, they are comfortable playing at all volume levels while always seeming to ask for more. The transient response is quick and clean. The long sustained rumbles are handled gracefully. The only thing that is in question is if I should call a structural engineer to inspect the house someday.

If there are any ground loops in your system, there is a single screw that can be removed from the rear panel of the sub to disconnect the signal path from earth ground while maintaining the amplifier’s safety ground. This works perfectly, no hum is audible.

As I mentioned last year, the Bryston model T series exhibits everything that one might expect in fine loudspeakers:

•   Outstanding clarity, imaging, musicality, and sound staging
•   Ability to “disappear”; project sonic images far beyond the enclosures
•   Hear details that you have not heard before, even from source material you have     owned for decades (!)
•   Sound great at all volume levels
•   At ease with subtle content as well as those with large dynamics
•   Visually pleasing

If you are in the market for a fine subwoofer, you owe it to yourself to audition these.

Respectfully,
Marc Richman
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: So There on 17 Mar 2015, 09:51 pm
James, congratulations on the very positive review above and on the accolades your speakers have received. I'm very interested in the Model Ts and subs. I'm using two Velodyne DD15s now, and the built-in EQ has been quite useful in my room. What are your recommendations on EQ for the Model T subs?

Cheerio,

Rich
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The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Mar 2015, 10:20 pm
James, congratulations on the very positive review above and on the accolades your speakers have received. I'm very interested in the Model Ts and subs. I'm using two Velodyne DD15s now, and the built-in EQ has been quite useful in my room. What are your recommendations on EQ for the Model T subs?

Cheerio,

Rich
__________________
Whiney Napa Valley

The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130


Hi Rich

I am not a fan of EQ unless it is a final option given serious room issues - (many will disagree). 

IMO - Using multiple subs is a much better solution than EQ-ing a single sub.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Mar 2015, 10:55 am
Hi Rich

Here's an example of how the frequency response evens out as you add more subs.

2 Subs

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=117022)

Bottom purple line is 1 Sub

3 Subs

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=117023)

Notice as you add Subs the dip in the frequency response fills in.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: So There on 18 Mar 2015, 06:04 pm
Thanks for the helpful info, James. I use two subs now, and the second made a huge difference. Can't wait to hear the Mr. T's.

Rich
______________
Whiney Napa Valley
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 19 Mar 2015, 12:52 pm
 A little more experimenting with the Mini A's.Watched the Hunger Games Mocking Jay Part 1 with the Mini A's as the fronts and they were great. I then shut down all the other speakers including the sub, down mixed the soundtrack to stereo in my Oppo 103, set the fronts to large and used the Mini A's as 2 channel stereo playback of the movie. I used the FL and FR outputs of the Oppo directly into the JC2.The result was incredible. The sound and detail jumped out the speakers. Dialogue was perfect and never got lost considering all the other sounds coming from the speakers. It was so good and so much fun that I played more movies and each one was exciting. I had done this in the past with my 805's but they never sounded like this. I lastly put on Planes:Fire and Rescue that I just purchased for the grand kids and I could not turn it off. It was so good that it had me thinking what do I need all these other speakers for.LOL. The bass was so punchy that it was impossible to tell the sub was off. Every day these speakers continue to amaze me.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Mar 2015, 05:29 pm
Hi Folks,

With all the positive reviews on the Bryston Middle T speakers I thought I would post these measurements as they represent what I feel is an excellent representation of our design philosophy on all our speakers.

 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/floor-standing-speakers/floor-standing-speakers-reviews/bryston-middle-t-floor-standing-speakers-review/page-4-on-the-bench.html

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Mar 2015, 07:15 am
Hi James

You must be at the show , Bryston Mini A's  came in last night I just quickly set them up in my great room , before my wife came in ,,,

I m speechless ,,, !! The sound stage in these little speakers are amazing ,, I m only playing vocals now ,,, I will burn them more over weekend and move them ,,, will let u know very soon !! Here's is the picture.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=117778)

Some how my kitchen cabinets and the speakers are identical in color ,,, they look really good ...

Ram


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Mar 2015, 11:46 am
Bryston Mini-T sound = Holy shizzle, these are GREAT.

I received my Mini-T's last week. I set them up yesterday with my new Mc MC75's. I listened to them for 6 hours…..

All I can say is WOW. These speakers are awesome. The build quality is insane and the built in speaker pads and included spikes are just a bonus.

I'm shocked at how much bass these "little" speakers put out. Actually, I'm also shocked at the size. These are no bookshelf speakers. They feel as solid/dense as a rock. Magnetic grills are very cool (not sure why 2 for each speaker?).

I'm SO glad I choose these over the Klipsch. 

Huge problem….I want a pair of full size Model T's now! 

JWJW
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Mar 2015, 08:40 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T Speaker – First Impressions


March 2015
 
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=118033)

“Hi James:

A week of daily use with the Bryston Mini T's and I have some early observations.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=118034)

First, they are among the lowest distortion, artefact free stand mount speakers I have ever used. Period.

(Driving them with a 130 WPC Sidaudio 760A Amp).  They are so precise, nimble, and dynamic, way beyond their price points. I usually hear these qualities with far more expensive products.

I feel the Mini Ts are bringing the music to me, just as live musicians would, with speed and clarity. The bass, as Jeff said, is just outrageously good.

This will be a very pleasurable review period.”

Andre Marc   
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Apr 2015, 09:24 am

Posted by scirica 


Ok, so I spent a little over an hour with the Model T's today at Audio Systems of Austin (TX). These were the base/passive design. I was very impressed with what I considered one of the most dynamic speakers I've had the pleasure of listening to, certainly at the sub $10k level. Powered by a 4bsst2 amplifier, the low end of these was amazing. I was in a smallish room, sitting only about 8 or 9 feet from the speakers. I'm certain that in a larger room the bass would have sounded even better.

What impressed me most about these speakers was the "warmth" of the sound, almost as if it was running off a full tube front end and amps (but it was all solid state). The imaging was big and focused, with vocals sounding eerily real, hovering tightly right where they should be. The other speakers I am considering are the Focal 1038be. While the be's may have the slight edge at the top end of the frequency range, the Model T's offer more overall top to bottom.

I'll need to spend a bit more time with each before making a final decision, but the Model T's are an amazing value and remind me of a speaker costing at least twice as much. They are now at the top of my list.

Bravo Bryston!


HI Scirica

Thank you for your kind words and glad you enjoyed the speaker. It really is a full range speaker and the warmth you refer to is really a lack of distortion. Most speakers suffer from 'dynamic compression' and I wanted the T Series to allow real world levels without compression.

The room size will affect bass capability as well as you say. How large is your room?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: tomsenko on 8 Apr 2015, 04:00 pm
James,
Do you know if any Bryston speakers are going to be displayed in the upcoming Munich High End show in May?
Regards,
Toms
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Apr 2015, 04:08 pm
James,
Do you know if any Bryston speakers are going to be displayed in the upcoming Munich High End show in May?
Regards,
Toms

Yes I think the Model T's and the Mini T's and my hope is a pair of Middle T's

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Apr 2015, 07:06 pm
Hi Folks - Sneak Peak - review coming in Tone Magazine

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=118751)

James, hello.

I have to tell you, my room has never sounded this good. The Mini T's are on very good SoundAnchor stands (of course, the dedicated stands might even be better) and I am using exceptionally high quality amps, preamps, DACs, and cables with the T, and I'm just astonished how deep the room sounds, and my room is small.

I am not big on soundstage "width". I prefer depth, and I think this quality is what makes speakers supposedly "disappear". The T really is virtually not there..the music just seems to float free of boundaries. Another factor is they are basically distortion free, the kind of micro level distortion that you don't notice is there until it is gone.

This is a superb product. The only tweak I did was to use Anti Cable jumpers.

Cheers.

Andre




Thanks Andre

Yes the off-axis smooth response on the Bryston speakers was something we worked really hard on. Most speakers look good on and off axis over a plus/minus 15 degree window but my goal was plus or minus 75 degrees. Also when you listen to a speaker in a room you are not listening to the on axis near field response - you are listening to the POWER RESPONSE - which is all the energy from the front of the speaker mixed in with all the reflections throughout the room.  So if those early off axis reflections are similar to  the on axis frequency response your brain preserves it as a sense of space and openness with excellent tonal balance - stop me please - I'm rambling!

Also Andre as you have noticed (very low distortion) my first speakers were Corner Horns and I always remember how dynamic they sounded.  I wanted the Bryston speaker to provide real world dynamics without the dynamic compression most speakers suffer from.

Attached are the on and off axis response of a typical Bryston speaker - one is 0, 15 and 30 degree measurement but the one I am most proud of is the 45, 60 and 75 degree measurements.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 9 Apr 2015, 07:41 pm
Hi James,

Congrats on all the Kudos the speakers are getting in Montreal and elsewhere.  Are the Mini T's above the Boston Cherry or the Rosewood finish.  I have the hardest time telling them apart from website pics.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: maplegrovemusic on 9 Apr 2015, 08:06 pm
Are there any similarities between the Axiom speakers and Bryston ? They look similar with two tweeters on some models .
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Apr 2015, 09:08 pm
Hi James,

Congrats on all the Kudos the speakers are getting in Montreal and elsewhere.  Are the Mini T's above the Boston Cherry or the Rosewood finish.  I have the hardest time telling them apart from website pics.

Thanks!

Thanks - those are the Walnut finish

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Apr 2015, 09:10 pm
Are there any similarities between the Axiom speakers and Bryston ? They look similar with two tweeters on some models .

Hi

No similarities with the Bryston T Series and some similarities with the A Series.  I used the Axiom facilities and expertise to develop all our speakers.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Beatlebum on 10 Apr 2015, 12:58 pm
Hello James,

What is the ideal/recommended height of the tweeter? Previous speakers that I have owned have recommended that your ear level be at the elevation of the area between the tweeter and the mid woofer. I have some 18" stands now but that would put the tweeter at 40" off the floor. In my current listening chair my ears are around 36" off the floor.

Regards,

Tim
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Apr 2015, 02:22 pm
Hello James,

What is the ideal/recommended height of the tweeter? Previous speakers that I have owned have recommended that your ear level be at the elevation of the area between the tweeter and the mid woofer. I have some 18" stands now but that would put the tweeter at 40" off the floor. In my current listening chair my ears are around 36" off the floor.

Regards,

Tim

Hi Tim

It is really not that critical with our speakers as the dispersion pattern is very wide and even in both the verticle and horizontal directions.  Once you more back to a typical listening position the drivers integrate very well - think of our speakers as a huge flood light rather than a spotlight.

What you have to remember is when you listen to a speaker in a room you are not listening to the on axis near field response - you are listening to the SOUND POWER RESPONSE - which is all the energy from the front of the speaker mixed in with all the reflections throughout the room. 

I have my Mini T's at home and at shows on 24 inch stands because I like a higher soundstage presentation but anywhere from 18 inches to 24 inches I think would work well with the Mini T's.

Hope this helps.

james





Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 10 Apr 2015, 02:51 pm
My Mini A's have a new home.Really enjoyed my time with them. Decision time. Try a pair of the A3's or order a new pair of mini A's in Walnut veneer. How would you compare the two other than the obvious size?

A lot also depends on the New York Rangers LOL. I am a season tickets holder and the cost of the playoff tickets and how far they go is pretty high. I can only imagine the audio gear I would own if not for my hockey addiction.   :roll:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Apr 2015, 03:23 pm
My Mini A's have a new home.Really enjoyed my time with them. Decision time. Try a pair of the A3's or order a new pair of mini A's in Walnut veneer. How would you compare the two other than the obvious size?

A lot also depends on the New York Rangers LOL. I am a season tickets holder and the cost of the playoff tickets and how far they go is pretty high. I can only imagine the audio gear I would own if not for my hockey addiction.   :roll:

Hi Gene
 
The A3 has a different midrange and 2 woofers and will play much louder and of course is a floor standing tower speaker rather than needing a stand.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=118800)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 10 Apr 2015, 03:35 pm
hi James,

do they sound good at low levels..I live in an apt if you remember my photos of my set up here. Are they as detailed as the mini A's?Hard to find reviews of the A3's. Last floor standers were my Snell EIV V2 about 12 years ago and have been living with monitors ever since.

thanks
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Apr 2015, 03:39 pm
hi James,

do they sound good at low levels..I live in an apt if you remember my photos of my set up here. Are they as detailed as the mini A's?Hard to find reviews of the A3's. Last floor standers were my Snell EIV V2 about 12 years ago and have been living with monitors ever since.

thanks

Yes they sound great at low levels. There have not been a lot of reviews on the A Series but that is starting to change due to the serious interest and reviews on the Mini A.  There is a review due out soon on the A2's from a prominent N.A. magazine and the reviewer tells me his listening panel guessed between $8,000 and $12,000 a pair during the audition. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Apr 2015, 04:07 pm
Today at 11:16

Hi Folks,

Had to edit do to spell correction.. But here we go again.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=118803)

Well.....almost 5 month living with My Bryston mini T's: A real speaker,that sound the way I like! These speakers do set a standard! And a high one! Kind of analog to 70's cars with all today updates and features yet without disturbing the feel of a real car.

They swing and groove, rock and blues, Tump Tump just as walk in the park. Never fatigue and always fun. Big sound stage the way I like...genius crossover points pick by Bryston IMHO.

Regarding the Mini's as a name starter...Hmm I'll Just say that as long as we add after the T's the letters "trannosaurus Dot Rex" then the Mini become more in context :)

So...I grabbed a new second pair (of Mini.T.rex lol) For the other listening room setup. What a performers...standard on their own.

Cheers All,
Itshak Vodzilovsky
Israel

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 10 Apr 2015, 09:29 pm
James,

Mini T vs A3.....I see someone has an add for a pair of Mini t's in Walnut....how would you rate them vs the A3 towers? The A3's would be from a dealer the mini t's from an owner rated 10 as new

thanks

Gene
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Apr 2015, 09:39 pm
James,

Mini T vs A3.....I see someone has an add for a pair of Mini t's in Walnut....how would you rate them vs the A3 towers? The A3's would be from a dealer the mini t's from an owner rated 10 as new

thanks

Gene

Hi Gene

The Mini T's use a 8 inch woofer so it will go a bit lower and of course you need quality stands.  I guess it would depend on price as the A3 uses the same Mid and Tweeter as the Mini T. 

Make sure all is OK with the Walnuts as far as cosmetics etc.  - email me the serial numbers before you commit so I can check out the history for warranty.

Can you give me the link to the Walnut for sale - jamestanner@bryston.com

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 10 Apr 2015, 10:07 pm
sent.... :D
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dallyd31 on 11 Apr 2015, 01:27 am
Hi James

I listed to the Middle T today at a local dealer and was very impressed.  I know you were using, and involved with, PMC at one point.  How would you say the Bryston line compare.  I thought they sounded in he same tonal "family" ( which is a good thing)only with some improvements in the low end (even though the PMC are very good in the lows)

I'm seriously considering flipping my OB1i for the middle T
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Apr 2015, 09:51 am
Hi James

I listed to the Middle T today at a local dealer and was very impressed.  I know you were using, and involved with, PMC at one point.  How would you say the Bryston line compare.  I thought they sounded in he same tonal "family" ( which is a good thing)only with some improvements in the low end (even though the PMC are very good in the lows)

I'm seriously considering flipping my OB1i for the middle T

HI Daily

PMC makes great speakers and in 'fact' (no pun intended) I had a pair of IB2 modified to Active using our 10B crossover and Bryston amplifiers as a reference for a number of years.  The one area that PMC taught me about speakers is you could develop a speaker that could be subtle when needed and resolve low level detail but could also kick ass when needed without compression.

I feel the Bryston speakers have this similar ability but I think we have been able to accomplish it at a much lower price point which makes our speakers much more affordable for many more customers without compromising performance.

james

PS - where did you hear the Middles?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dallyd31 on 11 Apr 2015, 01:10 pm
I live in Peterborough but I listened to them at Whitby Audio.  I have dealt with them on several occasions.  Great folks to deal with.  I took my  PMC a OB1i in to compare side by side ( and seeing as I have a 4Bsst2' BDA 1 and BP17 I could audition with exactly what I have at home)   I was quite impressed with the middle T.  Although I thought the PMC may have done a few things better, I think the overall package in the Middle was better.   They beat the more expensive Monitor Audio and beat the heck out of the much more expensive Focal Electra
I was impressed and pleasantly surprised

Now....a decision to make !
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Apr 2015, 11:50 am
HI Folks,

Sneak Peak:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=118960)

Review coming in Canada Hi-Fi on the 'Bryston A2' tower speaker - best comment so far:
 
"IMHO, the mid-bass timbral accuracy, bass slam, and low frequency extension of the A2s compares with speakers in the $10K to $12K range; if not higher."

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mitebbots on 13 Apr 2015, 04:00 pm
Would you say the Mini A has more detail or HF energy than the Kef LS50?

I'd like to hear them in So. California.

Thanks
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Apr 2015, 04:11 pm
Would you say the Mini A has more detail or HF energy than the Kef LS50?

I'd like to hear them in So. California.

Thanks

Hi Mitebbots

The Mini A is really not targeted to 'more high frequencies' than other good speakers - it is really about accurate and even polar response both on and off axis and excellent power handling.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mitebbots on 13 Apr 2015, 04:43 pm
Possible to hear them in So. California?

Thanks
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Apr 2015, 05:09 pm
Possible to hear them in So. California?

Thanks

Hi

I will forward to our Cal Rep and see if there are any available for listening.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Apr 2015, 10:14 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston A1 Speakers – Customer Feedback


Hello, James.

I apologize for the delay in writing to you about the Bryston A1s.  They arrived on the 20th of March.  Very quickly.

You wrote in your last message that the A1s should sound amazing in my setup.  Honestly, that's a bit of an understatement.

Neighbors from upstairs came down to see whether I'd moved a piano into the apartment, but were stunned to see that the sound was coming from speakers.  They stood in the room and couldn't believe their eyes, which said "speakers", for their ears said "piano".

Part of what stands out to me is the bass response.  I can't believe the beautiful, deep response I'm getting from those 6-inch drivers.  I'm extremely pleased! The speakers are about 4 feet away from the rear wall, and around 3 feet from the side walls.  I didn't want to "eat up" any more of the room space, so I went conservative with the speaker placement.  Also outstanding in the speakers is their natural sound.  I'm surprised to be writing this, since with my system being all-Bryston, it was already natural.  The speakers were yet another notch in the natural direction.

Specifically, there is no harshness to the sound, as when a reproduced voice or high registers of instruments may sound strident. 

I am completely, absolutely pleased and impressed with the A1s.

Many thanks on your help and thoughts regarding the Model A1.

Sincerely as always,
Michael
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 15 Apr 2015, 01:06 pm


Neighbors from upstairs came down to see whether I'd moved a piano into the apartment, but were stunned to see that the sound was coming from speakers.  They stood in the room and couldn't believe their eyes, which said "speakers", for their ears said "piano".

the next time they come down it will be with an eviction notice..LOL...no pianos allowed in the building!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Apr 2015, 12:46 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Speakers – Special ROSEWOOD

April 2015

Hi Folks,

My first pair of Model T speakers were finished in a unique Rosewood veneer and everyone who saw them expressed how terrific this particular finished appeared.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=119204)

This specific run of Rosewood is very difficult to get and I was not able to build any more speakers using this finish.
We have acquired a batch of this special veneer and will be offering a limited number of speakers employing this select Rosewood.
We can only build a limited number, so please let me know if you have any interest in a custom stereo pair or surround setup utilizing this exclusive finish.


James Tanner
Bryston Ltd
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Apr 2015, 04:10 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Middle T Setup – Customer Feedback


April,  2015

Subject: Parker's Birthday; Bryston Equipment

Everything from Bryston & Mapleshade is finally here.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=119214)
 
Bryston BP6, 4Bsst, Middle T’s & Model T Subwoofer.

Additional Mapleshade rack space & Megafoot brass footers.

Yay!

Cordially,
Steve Parker

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 17 Apr 2015, 09:04 pm
beautiful!!  :green:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Apr 2015, 09:45 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Audiophile Disease


Middle T Speakers

Hello, James.

I'm thrilled with my Middle T’s and Bryston B100 amplifier. The worst part about them is that they unleashed a serious case of the “audiophile disease” in me. Slowly falling deeper into debt with each upgrade that brings me closer to nirvana. Now they've just increased my line of credit by 15k and the first thing that comes to mind is a 4B and a pair of Model T’s!

I now have my Middle T’s about a third (5') of the way into the space of my opened concept house. Seems to be the best sound (at least to my ear) yet. The sound stage stretches well beyond the speakers, seemingly higher than the ceiling and the depth ranging from beyond the back wall to the front of the speakers.

The clarity and space between instruments is also quite amazing. I upgraded cables not to long ago and that helps to extract even more detail out of my favorite recordings.  I can now hear the static of each recording room rather than indistinguishable added noise. 

All in all, purchasing the B100 and Middle T’s at what seems like a lifetime ago, has made a massive improvement to my life and I'm very grateful that I decided to buy them.

That's how I feel about them, in a nutshell.

Thanks,
Dane
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 22 Apr 2015, 08:42 pm
Dane,

That audiophile disease to which you refer, in the medical journals its called "audio ad infinitus"   :lol:

Glad you are having such a great time with your setup.

Bill
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 23 Apr 2015, 01:18 pm
there is no cure in case you were wondering  :lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dallyd31 on 24 Apr 2015, 10:37 pm
James, any chance you have a picture of the Middle T or Model T in the red rosewood ?  I am trying to decide and I can't find a picture of it anywhere
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Apr 2015, 12:53 am
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=119704)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=119705)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Apr 2015, 12:58 am
Middle T - far right.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=119707)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Apr 2015, 01:04 am
This is a new Rosewood we just got a few sheets in called Brazilian Rosewood -  very limited quantities and can only get every so often.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=119708)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dallyd31 on 25 Apr 2015, 01:21 am
Thanks. so, the first and second pics are the red rosewood or regular  ?  The red rosewood looks much more "red" in the sample in the online brochure
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Apr 2015, 01:47 am
Yes that is the  natural rose.  The Middle is the Red Rose.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Apr 2015, 01:50 am
Heres a better shot of Red (on left) vs Natural


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=119711)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dallyd31 on 25 Apr 2015, 07:38 pm
Thanks James.  Looks beautiful.    Tough choice between the red and the Brazilian.  Gotta make it by Monday though !
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Apr 2015, 07:54 pm
Thanks James.  Looks beautiful.    Tough choice between the red and the Brazilian.  Gotta make it by Monday though !

Glad you like the finishes. Are you ordering a pair of speakers? If so the Brazilian is going fast

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dallyd31 on 25 Apr 2015, 11:24 pm
I am.  Middle T. Leaning towards the Brazilian
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Apr 2015, 02:24 am
Glad you like the finishes. Are you ordering a pair of speakers? If so the Brazilian is going fast

James

OK let me know from whom and I will make sure it gets through.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Beatlebum on 30 Apr 2015, 01:02 am
Curious to know what you Bryston Mini T and Middle T owners are using for amplification and what you like/dislike about the pairing.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Apr 2015, 09:26 pm
When does a $2700 dollar speaker sound like a $12,000 speaker ???

When you remove the 'bias'



MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston A2 Loudspeaker Review


May,  2015

Favourite Quote:

•   “Sheez…” Irv sighed. “The damn things sound better than speakers I’ve heard with $12,000 dollar price tags.”


Please see below the link to a review from Canada Hi-Fi Magazine on the Bryston A2 Loudspeaker.
   
This is our first professional review of the Bryston Model A2 loudspeaker … and when a seasoned reviewer purchases the speaker for his reference system it speaks volumes.

LINK:  http://canadahifi.com/bryston-model-a2-loudspeakers-review/
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: srb on 30 Apr 2015, 11:48 pm
How would you make a comparison between the A2 and the Mini T?

They are almost exactly the same price, and the A2 only very slightly edges out the Mini T in specs:

Sensitivity:  87dB  vs  86dB
Frequency Response:  31Hz - 20KHz  vs  38Hz - 20KHz  (+/- 3dB)
Max SPL:  114dB  vs  112dB

Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 May 2015, 09:51 am
How would you make a comparison between the A2 and the Mini T?

They are almost exactly the same price, and the A2 only very slightly edges out the Mini T in specs:

Sensitivity:  87dB  vs  86dB
Frequency Response:  31Hz - 20KHz  vs  38Hz - 20KHz  (+/- 3dB)
Max SPL:  114dB  vs  112dB

Steve

Hi Steve

The T Series speakers are based on 8 inch woofers whereas the A Series is based on 6.5 inch woofers.  The Mids and the Tweets in the T and A Series are identical. The T Series has more bracing and thicker cabinet construction than the A Series.  So the T Series will play at higher levels with less distortion than the A Series generally.

That being said the Mini T vs the A2 is a good question.  The A2 has 2 Mids and 2 Tweeters (some do not like the concept of the two tweeter arrangement).  So through that mid/tweeter range the A2 can play at higher levels with less distortion than the Mini T.  The A2 has two 6.5 inch woofers which equal an 8 inch like in the Mini T.  So other than the more substantial cabinet build on the Mini T it would be a close call.  I think the decision would be Tower vs Mini on a stand based on room size and levels you want to play at. Also remember that where the bass drivers are located in a speaker will pressurize the room differently - so the Mini T on a stand places the woofer at a different location in the room as opposed to the A2 which has 2 lower placed woofers at the floor level. Also based on the height of the stand you have with the Mini T you can adjust the height of the soundstage.

james
 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 May 2015, 10:06 am
Curious to know what you Bryston Mini T and Middle T owners are using for amplification and what you like/dislike about the pairing.

Hi Beatlebum

Well I'm using Bryston -  :lol:

But the impedance curve on the Bryston speakers is very benign so it is not a major issue when choosing an amplifier.  I have had reviewers and customers use everything from 12 watt Tube integrated amplifiers  to 28B 1000 watt Mono amps.

james
 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 May 2015, 12:10 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Middle T’s – Dealer Feedback


May 2015



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=120185)
 

Hi James.

This is Kevin from Glubes AVU.

Just a quick note to say how impressed I am with the Middle T and the A3. Planning on expanding our line up.

I must admit that I never gave them a fair listen, amongst the sea of great products from Monitor Audio, PSB, and B&W....

I must say that the Bryston products represents incredible value. Keep up the great work?


Kevin Sawler

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 May 2015, 12:36 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Middle T’s – Dealer Feedback


I have been enjoying my Middle T's for months but wanted to provide a review after I upgraded my gear to all Bryston, as expected it has made a significant improvement.  I decided to add your BP26DA, matching power supply and 4BSST.  I'm presently waiting for my BIT20 and your BDP-2 in a few weeks, that review will follow at a later date.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=120186)

James you know me well and what I have wanted to achieve. As a custom system designer who has been in the business for years, I have access to many hi performance products. Budget was not a factor rather exceptional performance at a price that I felt was a win / win.

I'm a music lover first and foremost who simply wants to enjoy my music and not be distracted by the gear for one reason or another. Yes there is a time for clinical listening but once the equipment has been chosen then the artists music takes precedence for me. Bryston allows this to happen - well done!

In my opinion, one of the most relaxing and healthy things we can do for ourselves is listen to music. Having an artist take me away from the hustle and bustle of business for short periods so that I can relax and recharge is greatly appreciated.

I'm going to skip all the technical talk and nuances and say your Middle T speakers and matching Bryston equipment have done just that in a commendable manner, a wonderful combination, they have a very special ability to play music as it was meant to be heard. Regardless of what I play… all genres of music are presented with  a natural, none fatiguing accuracy.

Music is fun to listen to again and very relaxing - I truly look forward to my music listening sessions. Thank you James, Jim and to all your team at Bryston!

Sincerely,
Greg Gauthier
Prestige Audio Visual Design Group Inc.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 May 2015, 12:23 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Middle T Review – Soundstage Ultra


May,  2015

Hi Folks,

Please see the attached link from Soundstage  ‘Ultra’  Magazine – review of the Bryston Middle T Loudspeaker.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=120199)


http://www.soundstageultra.com/index.php/566

Favorite Quotes:

•   “The Bryston Middle T has a lot going for it. It’s an unquestionable value: a big, three-way speaker that will flat-out rock without losing its audiophile street cred. That’s a tough balancing act, but the Middle T handles it well.”

•   “Ultimately, the Bryston Middle T is an easy recommendation -- not for a particular type of listener, but for almost everyone.”

Jeff Fritz
Soundstage Ultra Magazine
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 May 2015, 06:20 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Pulsworks Audio Arts


Hi Folks,

One of the objectives in the development of the Bryston speaker range was to provide the opportunity to assemble a complete Bryston audio system.

Check this out !!!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=120227)

Pulsworks Audio Arts

Hi James,

I think I like the letter “T”!
My new room sounds fantastic with the “T” line-up. Thanks for making such great speakers and electronics!
 
David Puls
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 May 2015, 06:03 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini A Speaker Strikes Again!


May, 2015


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=120342)


“James

I have had my Bryston Mini A’s now for a few weeks and after some break-in time, I am happy to report that the sound is nothing short of incredible.

I replaced a pair of (EDIT) which were significantly more expensive and I would have to say that the Mini A’s are a clear step up in performance.  The real low bass that comes out of these dinky little boxes is at times just amazing. Dynamics are stellar and imaging as well - I can’t wait to hear the Mini T’s in our showroom!

Whoever is responsible for the design of your loudspeakers knows their stuff and has a damn good ear (by my humble estimation). 
Thanks again for the sweet deal.

When I recover from the expense, I might hit you up for a deal on a DAC and eventually an integrated amp.

Consider the Kool Aid fully drank….”

Marc Mable
Design Consultant
Maverick Integration
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Johnny2Bad on 5 May 2015, 07:56 am
Awesome. I can stop by and see David at Pulsworks and give them a listen.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 6 May 2015, 01:11 am
Awesome. I can stop by and see David at Pulsworks and give them a listen.

I can give you a demo as well I live in Tune Town and have the Model T Passives. But be warned my place is a mess and I listen at 92+ decibels. Hope you like Hard Rock. 8)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 May 2015, 04:25 pm
Hi James,

Very nice set up there James in Munich.

Those Mini T's... tell ya can't praise them enough!

Had a friend at my place last week and he was shocked and awed how they performed. Lol,I should have pictured his O face when The Duke Ellington big band Brass's line kicked in propelled on 4BSST2/BP6 12:00 o'clock..creating an amazing stadium size stage and dynamics - ha rare moments...made my day.

Are this one of the new Target line stands? Waiting for the MR 24" for my newest second Pair of Mini T's.

Itshak Vodzilovsky
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 17 May 2015, 04:18 pm
Well, I did it! I have a pair of Model T (passives) on order with a matching center channel in the custom Rosewood finish. Needless to say I'm super excited and will report back when they arrive and have had some good run in time.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Grit on 18 May 2015, 08:39 am
AND pictures when they arrive!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 May 2015, 11:31 am
Well, I did it! I have a pair of Model T (passives) on order with a matching center channel in the custom Rosewood finish. Needless to say I'm super excited and will report back when they arrive and have had some good run in time.  :thumb:

Hi Scirica

Put the order in for you today - they tell me about 3 weeks.  Congrates - you will love these speakers and after looking at your room they should throw a terrific soundstage for you.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 May 2015, 12:40 pm
Well, I did it! I have a pair of Model T (passives) on order with a matching center channel in the custom Rosewood finish. Needless to say I'm super excited and will report back when they arrive and have had some good run in time.  :thumb:

Hi

Here is a shot of the outriggers I mentioned.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121259)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 18 May 2015, 02:47 pm
Outriggers ordered too. Thanks James!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 18 May 2015, 03:52 pm
Hi Scirica

Put the order in for you today - they tell me about 3 weeks.  Congrates - you will love these speakers and after looking at your room they should throw a terrific soundstage for you.

james

Congrats Scirica!  I'm on the verge of a decision myself.  James, what are the characteristics of Scirica's room that will facilitate the "terrific soundstage"

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 May 2015, 05:04 pm
Congrats Scirica!  I'm on the verge of a decision myself.  James, what are the characteristics of Scirica's room that will facilitate the "terrific soundstage"

Thanks,

Bill

Nice and open with lots of cubic feet and not a lot of absorption - if he gives me permission I will post the pic he sent me.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 18 May 2015, 05:55 pm
You have my permission James!  Just don't give out my address  :lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 18 May 2015, 06:46 pm
You have my permission James!  Just don't give out my address  :lol:

I have an APP that I can just scan the photo and it will give me your GPS coordinates.  Not sure what I'd do when I arrive.  Maybe knock on the door and see if I could buy you a beer  :lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 May 2015, 07:14 pm
You have my permission James!  Just don't give out my address  :lol:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121295)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 18 May 2015, 08:05 pm
IMO you want to have the Model T's spaced as wide as possible. In my room spaced 10' apart the speaker acts as a boundary. I don't even hear the speakers but the soundstage imaging between the speakers. 8)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 18 May 2015, 08:07 pm
Nice room.  Are those 1038 BE's?  If they are and you are replacing them with Model T's that's a big hats off to the Brystons.  I've heard the 1038's and was very impressed with them except for the very low end.

James, how much does the high ceiling account for the soundstage performance?  My room is currently 16'x21'x10' high and I'll be moving to a similar sized room that is longer but the ceiling is lower 16'x27'x8' high.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 18 May 2015, 08:11 pm
Nice room.  Are those 1038 BE's?  If they are and you are replacing them with Model T's that's a big hats off to the Brystons.  I've heard the 1038's and was very impressed with them except for the very low end.

James, how much does the high ceiling account for the soundstage performance?  My room is currently 16'x21'x10' high and I'll be moving to a similar sized room that is longer but the ceiling is lower 16'x27'x8' high.

Thanks.

Yes, those are 1038be's but they are only on loan as an in-house demo. I do love the mids and highs, but there is something lacking in overall sound stage and as you mentioned the low end.  And the Model T is 1,000's less than the 1038be's.  What I'll actually be upgrading from is Focal Aria 948's.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 May 2015, 10:33 pm
Nice room.  Are those 1038 BE's?  If they are and you are replacing them with Model T's that's a big hats off to the Brystons.  I've heard the 1038's and was very impressed with them except for the very low end.

James, how much does the high ceiling account for the soundstage performance?  My room is currently 16'x21'x10' high and I'll be moving to a similar sized room that is longer but the ceiling is lower 16'x27'x8' high.

Thanks.

Yes the high ceiling just adds a sense of height to the stage but with our speakers first reflections from nearby surfaces are not a problem.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 20 May 2015, 12:07 am
IMO you want to have the Model T's spaced as wide as possible. In my room spaced 10' apart the speaker acts as a boundary. I don't even hear the speakers but the soundstage imaging between the speakers. 8)

Took my own advice and widened my Model T speaker placement from 10' to 12' in my 25'x 11'x 8' room. I have them reflecting off the back wall about 40" to the sides of listening chair. I would describe the imaging or soundstage as a little more relaxed and the bass has more body to it considering the heavy bass the T's are already capable of pumping out. Which I think is impressive considering I have a table full of junk to the right and a pile of cd cases to the left.

The reason I hadn't done this sooner is I have a 4.1 set up. But lately I've been listening in 2.1 with just the T's. :smoke:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: AJAudio on 20 May 2015, 04:40 am
Yes the high ceiling just adds a sense of height to the stage but with our speakers first reflections from nearby surfaces are not a problem.

james

Hi James,

Why do you say that ?  Why are "first reflexion not a problem with your speakers" ?

I thaught that "first reflexion" was not a "side effect of speakers" but more related to the structure of the room versus speakers and listener placement.

Unless your speakers are really directionnal, I should guess that "first reflexion" is a problem for any speakers.

You mentionned in the past that the "T's" where very wide dispersion, so I guessed that "first reflexion" could be a problem in that case...  (Victim of your own success...)

So are you saying that the "T's" are less dependant upon "room treatment" ?

(By the "T's" I mean do the Mini/Middle/Full T's the same ?)

Thank you for your time!

Take care!

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 May 2015, 11:09 am
Hi AJ - put this together this morning for you - hope it helps.

You are NEVER listening in the NEARFIELD or the DIRECT SOUND from the speaker.

HI Folks

Many times I get asked why Bryston is not concerned when placing our speakers in normal domestic audio rooms as opposed to acoustically treated rooms.

The two most critical parts of any loudspeaker system choice is the listening ‘ROOM’ and the loudspeakers ‘POLAR’ response. Recognizing how the room imposes its boundaries (floor, ceiling, walls) on the speaker and how that speaker radiates its energy (polar response) into a specific room is critical to the understanding of the overall performance of any speaker and it is no different for the Bryston loudspeakers.

When you are listening to a loudspeaker in a room you are always listening to balance between the ‘Direct Sound’ and the ‘Reflected Sound’ from the boundaries of the room – this is called the ‘Power Response or Sound Power.’ It is that balance between direct and reflected energy which changes depending on the frequency radiation pattern (polar response) of the given speaker and the boundaries of the room the speaker is placed in.

The ‘direct sound’ is the sound radiating from the front of the loudspeaker and the ‘reflected sound’ is all the sound your ears perceive after the sound waves have interacted with all the different boundaries in the room. It is important given real world conditions that the on axis response and the off axis frequency response of a loudspeaker be as uniform as possible.

Recognize when you listen to a speaker in a room you are NEVER listening in the NEARFIELD or the DIRECT SOUND from the speaker.

This on and off axis characteristic is generally referred to as Polar response. The smoother and more uniform the on and off axis polar response of the speaker the better the tonal balance between the direct sound and the reflected sound will be. In other words, the reflected sound will have the same overall tonal balance and sonic characteristics as the direct sound if ‘on and off’ polar response is smooth and even. This approach also provides the optimum overall 3-dimensional soundstage presentation as well. The Bryston Model-T is a very wide dispersion design so the polar response is very flat on axis and very uniform all the way out to more than 75 degrees off axis in both directions from center to provide a very wide and even listening window.

So the boundaries of the room are used to enhance the listening experience by providing a sense of spaciousness and naturalness to the listening experience.  We all listen in real rooms and our brains are use to interpreting the overall direct and reflected energy in a specific manner.  I find rooms that treat the reflections by trying to absorb them just makes the listening experience very unnatural and almost anechoic.

Also remember that you cannot absorb all frequencies equally as the thickness of the absorption material affects the frequencies it can affect.  So a few inches of fiberglass or whatever absorptive material will only affect a specific range of frequencies – generally midranges and highs so it creates an energy imbalance in the room.

Many people will disagree with me but I have gone the route of serious absorption in many of my rooms and have always reverted back to less absorption is better and I much prefer Dispersion over Absorption. That’s my story and I am sticking to it !

James


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121411)

Bryston Model T - 0 - 35 Degrees

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121412)

45 - 75 Degrees

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 20 May 2015, 01:29 pm
Many people will disagree with me but I have gone the route of serious absorption in many of my rooms and have always reverted back to less absorption is better and I much prefer Dispersion over Absorption. That’s my story and I am sticking to it !

James

 :beer: here here!!..or should I say hear hear!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 20 May 2015, 04:33 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121295)

Very nice!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: AJAudio on 22 May 2015, 01:58 am
Thank you James for the detail explanation about the nearfield vs directsound post!

You talk a lot about the Model-T capabilities and specifications as is understandable as they are your flagship speakers, but how do the Middle-T and, more specific to my case, the Mini-T compare ?

For exemple, do you have graphs that shows off the Mini-T comparing SPL vs Freq vs orientation ?

In my case, my room is quite small.  Speakers would be about 5 to 6 foot apart with a listening distance about the same.  I suppose this is considered "nearfield" so I look more into the "Mini-T".  (I've offen wondered if Middle-Ts would be ok...  You once had a picture of a studio which used Middle-T in a nearfield setup...)

I've added some absortion panel to kill some echoe but don't want to over do it to kill the sounds...

I think I'll wait on the room treatment for now until a manage to get some quality speakers.

For a listening environment with the standard "listening triangle" having sides of 5 to 6 feet (speaker-speaker-listener), could the Middle-T do a good job or am I better to stick with the Mini-Ts ?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 May 2015, 02:09 am
Thank you James for the detail explanation about the nearfield vs directsound post!

You talk a lot about the Model-T capabilities and specifications as is understandable as they are your flagship speakers, but how do the Middle-T and, more specific to my case, the Mini-T compare ?

For exemple, do you have graphs that shows off the Mini-T comparing SPL vs Freq vs orientation ?

In my case, my room is quite small.  Speakers would be about 5 to 6 foot apart with a listening distance about the same.  I suppose this is considered "nearfield" so I look more into the "Mini-T".  (I've offen wondered if Middle-Ts would be ok...  You once had a picture of a studio which used Middle-T in a nearfield setup...)

I've added some absortion panel to kill some echoe but don't want to over do it to kill the sounds...

I think I'll wait on the room treatment for now until a manage to get some quality speakers.

For a listening environment with the standard "listening triangle" having sides of 5 to 6 feet (speaker-speaker-listener), could the Middle-T do a good job or am I better to stick with the Mini-Ts ?

Hi AJ

The Middle T's are the same as the Mini T's except for the extra Bass driver so they will play a little louder than the Mini T but in a small room I think you would find them very similar.

All the Bryston speakers adhere to the same philosophy so you are making 'application' choices not 'performance' choices between the different models.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Rod_S on 22 May 2015, 11:00 am
Yes, those are 1038be's but they are only on loan as an in-house demo. I do love the mids and highs, but there is something lacking in overall sound stage and as you mentioned the low end.  And the Model T is 1,000's less than the 1038be's.  What I'll actually be upgrading from is Focal Aria 948's.

Nice room

I'm definitely not a fan of the Electra's and given their price the Bryston's and even Paradigm S8's are definitely much better value. I've never heard the Bryston's but have heard the Paradigm's up against both the 1028's and 1038's and preferred the Paradigm's.

I assume you aren't going to be putting the Bryston center in the same place as your current center? Which center are you getting, big or small?

Is that a Sub 25 I see there?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 22 May 2015, 01:12 pm
Nice room

I'm definitely not a fan of the Electra's and given their price the Bryston's and even Paradigm S8's are definitely much better value. I've never heard the Bryston's but have heard the Paradigm's up against both the 1028's and 1038's and preferred the Paradigm's.

I assume you aren't going to be putting the Bryston center in the same place as your current center? Which center are you getting, big or small?



Is that a Sub 25 I see there?
Thanks. Unlike you, I really do like the 1038's but there is something magical to the relaxed, uncompressed sound of the Brystons. And as I mentioned previously, the obvious value statement.

That is indeed a Paradigm sub, but I believe it is the Studio Sub 15. Regarding the center, I got the smaller one. It probably won't fit in the current position until I redesign the front wall next year.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Beatlebum on 25 May 2015, 02:08 pm
What tube amplifiers/integrated amplifiers are you all using with your T series speakers and what are your results?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Beatlebum on 25 May 2015, 04:36 pm
Line Magnetic? Rogue Audio? Anybody?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 May 2015, 05:49 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121697)


The venerable Ernie Fisher of Inner Ear fame held court inspiring visitors on how to set up a high resolution system for less than $10,000.

As always, the sound was quite good in his room, this time with the three-way stand mounted Bryston Mini T loudspeaker ($2600) set up on the room diagonal. They were powered by a remote controlled 12 wpc Class A Simply Italy integrated tube amplifier ($2500) running EL34 tubes fed by a server I didn't recognize (Audia Flight?). About $1000 worth of Zen cables (which I presume means Acoustic Zen) connected everything. Ernie proudly complained that he is the oldest member of the OAFS (Old Audio Farts Society).

 Hey, how can you argue with a guy that puts together such a fine sounding room, and is still vertical? A lot of wisdom and experience resides in this man.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 May 2015, 03:38 pm
Hi Folks,

We have had many requests from custom installers to produce an INWALL version of the Model T series loudspeakers.

Here is a sneak peek of the the Model T. 


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121737)


We are also going to produce a Model A1 inwall version as well as a MINI T inwall.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 27 May 2015, 07:13 pm
James:

I know that the "perfect" match for my future Model T's would be the 14Bsst2 as we discussed previously.  However, I also have access to a very attractively priced McIntosh MC452 local to me in Dallas.  I know you represent Bryston and probably are uncomfortable answering this publicly, but what are your thoughts about the MC452 driving your Model T's, and have you ever heard this combo?

Thanks,

Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 May 2015, 07:22 pm
James:

I know that the "perfect" match for my future Model T's would be the 14Bsst2 as we discussed previously.  However, I also have access to a very attractively priced McIntosh MC452 local to me in Dallas.  I know you represent Bryston and probably are uncomfortable answering this publicly, but what are your thoughts about the MC452 driving your Model T's, and have you ever heard this combo?

Thanks,

Steve

Hi Steve

No sorry I have not heard the combo but McIntosh builds a quality product so it should be fine.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 27 May 2015, 07:33 pm
Hi Steve

No sorry I have not heard the combo but McIntosh builds a quality product so it should be fine.

james

Sorry I asked. This is one of those, what did you expect him to say questions! Bad question resulting in worthless answer!

Thanks James. I am hoping someone will come on that can describe an experience with McIntosh amps and Bryston speakers as I understand there is a different voicing or sound from Bryston amps vs McIntosh amps (like MC452).
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: BrysTony on 27 May 2015, 09:30 pm
Sorry I asked. This is one of those, what did you expect him to say questions! Bad question resulting in worthless answer!

Of course a quality amp (McIntosh) will be fine with the Bryston Speakers.  I would say you had an unnecessary question and got an honest answer.  By the way several years ago I switched from McIntosh to Bryston and would not go back.

Tony
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 27 May 2015, 09:39 pm
Sorry I asked. This is one of those, what did you expect him to say questions! Bad question resulting in worthless answer!


seems like a harsh response to an honest answer :oops: :oops:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 27 May 2015, 09:54 pm
Relax guys, if anything I was just as harsh on myself as I should have known better.  I would gladly remove the last post as it doesn't reflect my respect for James and the Bryston brand.  I hesitated writing the question but I honestly would like to know if anyone has experienced Bryston speakers powered by McIntosh.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 27 May 2015, 10:09 pm
nothing wrong with your question..not everyone interested Bryston speakers is running Bryston electronics.  :)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 28 May 2015, 01:36 am
nothing wrong with your question..not everyone interested Bryston speakers is running Bryston electronics.  :)

always was a reasonable question....
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 May 2015, 09:50 am
Hi Folks,

Was just informed that the Bryston Mini T Speakers will be getting a special award from a major US Magazine as well as a full feature review.


Favorite quotes from review:


“We are very happy to give them (Bryston Mini T Speakers) one of our Exceptional Value Awards for 2015.”

“I’ve had very few true jaw dropping moments in HiFi, but this was one of them!”


The full review will be available shortly.

James

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 28 May 2015, 12:57 pm
for your consideration....the A3 demo sale from AA..outstanding price and service from a great authorized dealer

ask for Tim..he took good care of me and a better price when I picked up the Mini A demo's

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=1BYA3
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Beatlebum on 28 May 2015, 02:26 pm
What tube amplifiers/integrated amplifiers are you all using with your T series speakers and what are your results?

Still wondering what, if any, ACer's have used?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 May 2015, 11:19 am
Hi Folks,

Was just informed that the Bryston Mini T Speakers will be getting a special award from a major US Magazine as well as a full feature review.


Favorite quotes from review:


“We are very happy to give them (Bryston Mini T Speakers) one of our Exceptional Value Awards for 2015.”

“I’ve had very few true jaw dropping moments in HiFi, but this was one of them!”


The full review will be available shortly.

James


Hi

I have the 5 page PDF - 1M - email me if you want a copy.

jamestanner@bryston.com
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 May 2015, 03:04 pm
Review link - https://app.box.com/tone-mini-T-review

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 May 2015, 11:29 pm
AUDIO BY MARK JONES

Nice Model T setup!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121980)

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 30 May 2015, 11:33 pm
NICE!!  8)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2015, 01:56 pm
I've got the Middle T and these are amazing speakers.

On order I've got a pair of mini T

Robert Caron
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2015, 02:04 pm
TO: Bryston
A1 speaker



I would just like to say that I and my family REALLY enjoy your Bryston  A1 speakers. 

The speakers have brought all of our favorite musisians and new artists closer to our hearts at an affordable price.

Thanks
Roger Kidner

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers how about using a different tweeter?
Post by: zorro99 on 2 Jun 2015, 12:49 am
Folded ribbon tweeters are starting to appear in a number of well known speakers.  What are the chances we will see this speaker as an option on Bryston Speakers in the future?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers how about using a different tweeter?
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Jun 2015, 07:25 am
Folded ribbon tweeters are starting to appear in a number of well known speakers.  What are the chances we will see this speaker as an option on Bryston Speakers in the future?

Hi Zorro

Not likely in our speakers as we are trying to provide as wide and as flat an on and off axis response (both vertically and horizontally)  as possible on our speakers and dome tweeters work better in that regard.  Ribbons have good dispersion horizontally but vertically once you move above or below there physical length the radiation pattern suffers.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers how about using a different tweeter?
Post by: FireGuy on 2 Jun 2015, 01:21 pm
Hi Zorro

Not likely in our speakers as we are trying to provide as wide and as flat an on and off axis response (both vertically and horizontally)  as possible on our speakers and dome tweeters work better in that regard.  Ribbons have good dispersion horizontally but vertically once you move above or below there physical length the radiation pattern suffers.

james
I've heard this tweeter in a "well known, higher end" brand (med) floor stander design.    I tend to agree with the above description given in the environment it was in.  Could it change in your room?  Possibility, but overall the presentation I heard was flat and with little extension.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Jun 2015, 12:26 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston – Model A2 Top Performance


June 2015

Hi Folks,

The Bryston A2 speaker got front page billing in this months issue of Canada Hi-Fi Magazine!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=122473)

TRULY IMPRESSIVE PERFORMANCE!

Please see the link below for the full review.

http://canadahifi.com/bryston-model-a2-loudspeakers-review/
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jun 2015, 02:13 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: New Bryston Mini Ts - Great speakers


“I recently installed a pair of Bryston Mini Ts.

I had been looking for new speakers for some time, but I hadn't been able to find the right ones for the location. The location, in this case, is a cabinet in my living room that provides only enough room for a set of small speakers - mounted horizontally. At one point, I almost bought a set of full size speakers, intending to just put them on the floor in front of the cabinet, but I discarded the idea for practical reasons - they would have been in the way and I would have been navigating around them forever.

So, after a long search, I talked to my dealer about the Mini Ts. They appeared to be perfect in terms of size - in fact they fit so well it became a tough job to get them in place. The shelf is up about 6 feet in the air, so the work has to be done on a ladder, and the fit is so tight I can barely fit a hand in around the speakers. At about 40 lbs each, they are a hefty speaker for the small size.

The best part of the story is that the Mini Ts sound great.

In fact, most of the time, I forget about the small size of the boxes. I am still trying to get some playing time on the speakers. They should break in a little, although, I must say, they sound good right out of the box. The first thing I noticed is how true the sound is. They are accurate, but still very musical. They whole frequency range is reproduced smoothly without any noticeable peaks. I will post a better analysis of the sound once I have let them play for a while.

In summary, I can highly recommend the Bryston Mini Ts. They look good and sound very good.”

Woodlander
California

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 11 Jun 2015, 02:11 pm
for your consideration:

two pair of Mini T"s in black Ash were listed on AGON. I purchased one pair..the other 7 months old also from a reputable seller is still available. He is upgrading to Middle T's. .  :D
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jun 2015, 08:57 pm
Review link - https://app.box.com/tone-mini-T-review

james

Hi James

Andre here - just wanted you to know that that I have purchased the review pair of the Mini T's.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 13 Jun 2015, 01:32 pm
what review were the pair you purchased in?  :D

were they ones in the Tone magazine review from page 106?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jun 2015, 02:46 pm
what review were the pair you purchased in?  :D

were they ones in the Tone magazine review from page 106?

Hi Gene

Yes the Tone Review - it is quite the endorsement when the reviewer purchases the speakers for his own system.  That has occurred 4 times now so far (Middle T's Mini T's, Mini A's and A2's).

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Jun 2015, 12:48 pm
Bryston A2 Speaker getting some serious recognition in Malaysia  :thumb:


MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Demo – June 8th 2015



El Hefe's HiFi Reviews

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=122765)

Had a demo on the Bryston A2 Speaker and BHA-1 as a pre amp... superb !

AV Design in Kuala Lumpur have just received quite a few new items from Bryston. Some will be show cased in the upcoming KLIAV show in JW Marriot in July.

I managed to experience some of these items recently in their show room in Bangunan Rohas Perkasa in 2 channel stereo, 5.1 HFPA audio and 7.1.2 Dolby ATMOS movie.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=122766)

1. Bryston Model TC-1 Centre Speaker
2. Bryston Model A2 Speakers in front
3. Bryston BHA-1 newly updated headphone amp (now comes with a balanced pre out)

On 5.1 HFPA, the A2 and TC-1 performed superbly. Very well distribution of various sounds from the sample track. Trumpet was melodic through the centre speaker and the whole experience was very uplifting. Punchy and extended bass with quite refined mids and highs.

On Dolby ATMOS 7.1.2 duty, the Bryston just keep on smiling delivering a very convincing performance to cater for home theatre duties as well.  Excellent demo room.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Jun 2015, 01:08 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=122831)

TEXT:

Top designers routinely choose Bryston’s Model T floorstanding loudspeakers to anchor dedicated home theater systems for clients worldwide. Now the finest sound can be built into the wall. We proudly introduce the Model T Cinema Inwall Loudspeaker.

By leveraging features found in our floorstanding flagship, we’ve developed one of the most capable loudspeakers for dedicated home theater rooms possible. Seven drivers in a three-way configuration are capable of up to 120dB of output without dynamic range compression while maintaining exceptional clarity and tonal neutrality. Most in-wall loudspeakers sacrifice power response, but not ours. By placing the drivers slightly forward of the wall on our robust baffle, a more realistic soundstage with precise imaging is created for more seated listeners than usual.

Install the speakers in an extended 6” deep stud bay by screwing them directly into the studs. The baffle sits on top of your existing drywall. They’re fully sealed with 3/4” thick back boxes to both control bass and minimize transmission of sound to other rooms in the house. The front baffle is 1 1/2 inches thick and the cabinet is internally braced making it nearly inert so that all you hear are the drivers.

Matching In-wall Cinema Center, Surround, and Subwoofers are planned and will be basedupon existing very successful T Series and A Series models including the TC1, Mini T, and A1 loudspeakers.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Jun 2015, 04:52 pm
Hi Folks

Got our first German Review on the Bryston A1 Mini Speaker in Fidelity Magazine  - will translate as soon as I can.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=122837)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=122838)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=122839)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=122840)

Have PDF if anyone wants - jamestanner@bryston.com

Hi Folks - thanks to Alex some translation:

Hi James - They say that these speakers are truly awesome!

Given its size they have a great dispersion. so where ever the listener is located in the room the sound is always just 'there'. an outstanding three - dimensionality and space around each song no matter what genre is playing. and for those who always have trouble to get the sweet spot right...no problem for the Bryston speakers.

They find that it is not always necessary to place them on speaker stands - a place in a shelf can do the trick as well. if someone wants more bass then a additional sub could help here but they feel that the bass of the Mini A's is a class of its own.

Alex


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: AJAudio on 16 Jun 2015, 01:41 am
That is a good point/question...

How does the Mini-T perform on a shelf ?

My setup would place each of them near a corner at about 12 to 18 inches from the back and about 12 inches (max) from the side.

Listening would be near field.  Having a "listening triangle" of about 6 feet.

(If it changes anything, they would be driven by a BP26/4BSST2 combo...)

Thank you for your input!

Take care!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 16 Jun 2015, 11:37 am
hi, AJ!

the reviewer says that it has to be a shelf that is stable enough of course. so if someone has not enough space to use stands a shelf is worth to try to place the Mini A speakers there because they have the ability to produce a wide soundstage :thumb:

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jun 2015, 12:33 pm
Hi

I think AJ was asking about Mini T not Mini A but the same principle applies - the Bryston speakers have very wide and even polar response so placement is not as critical as with some other types of speakers.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 16 Jun 2015, 12:54 pm
The Mini A's I had were very easily placed. My Harbeth P3ESR's and B&W sigs need to be carefully placed to produce their best sound.

 Mini T's arriving tomorrow!!.  :green:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 16 Jun 2015, 01:26 pm
Congrats Gene! My Model T's are still in the build phase but hopefully coming soon!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Jun 2015, 10:19 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Middle T Speaker – Customer Feedback


June 2015

Hi James,
 
I am the dentist who sat with you for awhile listening to the Middle T’s.  I am the one with the Tannoy Ardens and Quad 57’s. 

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=122926)

I bought the speakers from the show through Hi-Fi Center in Vancouver and bought a new BP 26 preamplifier and power supply as well. 

I love the speakers! 

They are effortless to listen to at any volume and I do not get fatigued at all.  I especially like the quality of the base.  At times I seem to feel it in my chest.  I was wondering:  would there be any benefit in adding the Model T or Mini T subwoofer or is that more of a home theatre application?  What do you notice when the response gets down to 25 Hz and 18 Hz?
 
Cheers
Sandy McFarlane
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 17 Jun 2015, 08:30 pm
Mini T's arrived..double boxed...The seller took exceptional care in packaging and delivery  :green:

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/001.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/001.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/002.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/002.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/004_3.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/004_3.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/011.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/011.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/012_1.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/012_1.jpg.html)

and now for serious break in time  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Jun 2015, 09:04 pm
Hi Gene

Are you stands OK with the larger Mini T's?

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 17 Jun 2015, 09:53 pm
I plan to try that tomorrow..maybe tonight.......The B&W stands can hold up to 50lbs and I have to check the plate size.  I have plenty of Blu Tac. Right now I have them 6 inches off the floor on some hard wooden storage cases.  I did have to block the rear ports with foam to control the bass in my set up. They only had 30 minutes of play time on them according to the seller, so break in is needed.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Jun 2015, 10:14 pm
I plan to try that tomorrow..maybe tonight.......The B&W stands can hold up to 50lbs and I have to check the plate size.  I have plenty of Blu Tac. Right now I have them 6 inches off the floor on some hard wooden storage cases.  I did have to block the rear ports with foam to control the bass in my set up. They only had 30 minutes of play time on them according to the seller, so break in is needed.

Yes they go very deep so you should not need the Sub

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 17 Jun 2015, 11:37 pm
Sub is off.....still prefer them with ports blocked presently.I had blocked the ports on the Mini A's for a while also. I placed one on the 24 inch stands and I think it is too high. They sound pretty darn good only 6 inches high but I do want to get them up a little higher. Perhaps a 16 inch stand would work for me. I'll be doing my homework while running the Mini T's. It's a work in progress. It took a while for the Harbeths to settle in and quite a bit of fine tuning location b4 I finally got it just right. My room acoustics aren't the best for sure.  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Jun 2015, 11:42 pm
Sub is off.....still prefer them with ports blocked presently.I had blocked the ports on the Mini A's for a while also. I placed one on the 24 inch stands and I think it is too high. They sound pretty darn good only 6 inches high but I do want to get them up a little higher. Perhaps a 16 inch stand would work for me. I'll be doing my homework while running the Mini T's. It's a work in progress. It took a while for the Harbeths to settle in and quite a bit of fine tuning location b4 I finally got it just right. My room acoustics aren't the best for sure.  :icon_lol:

Don't be too concerned on the height as they have very wide dispersion so there is a lot of leeway in height placement.

james
 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 18 Jun 2015, 12:49 pm
I am thinking about these in silver or black..VTI 19 inch stands

http://www.standsandmounts.com/vtiufseries19inchspeakerstandsblackorsilveruf19.aspx

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jun 2015, 12:57 pm
I am thinking about these in silver or black..VTI 19 inch stands

http://www.standsandmounts.com/vtiufseries19inchspeakerstandsblackorsilveruf19.aspx

Looks good Gene - I assume you can fill the tubes?

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 18 Jun 2015, 01:45 pm
YES..I am also looking at the Target - FS-Series Speaker Stands, 20 inch height but cannot find any info on how much weight they can hold.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jun 2015, 02:46 pm
YES..I am also looking at the Target - FS-Series Speaker Stands, 20 inch height but cannot find any info on how much weight they can hold.

Hi

The FS are good up to 70 lbs.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 18 Jun 2015, 03:34 pm
great..I am going to order them from Music Direct.com  :beer:

So far the Mini T's are pretty incredible..a favorite new Cd of Bob James's live concert that he autographed for me recently sounds great, very detailed and full rich sound. One would think he was playing the piano right here in my apt.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jun 2015, 04:06 pm
great..I am going to order them from Music Direct.com  :beer:

So far the Mini T's are pretty incredible..a favorite new Cd of Bob James's live concert that he autographed for me recently sounds great, very detailed and full rich sound. One would think he was playing the piano right here in my apt.

Hi gene

Glad you are enjoying the speakers - I think as you move along they will surprise you with their ability to sound musical and full range but still resolve very low level micro details. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 18 Jun 2015, 04:08 pm
Hey James:

I got an update this week that my Model T's and Mini-T Center should be on their way to my dealer soon. I can't wait them to make the long trip from Canada to the dealer and then on to Texas.  Please package with care!!!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jun 2015, 04:16 pm
Hey James:

I got an update this week that my Model T's and Mini-T Center should be on their way to my dealer soon. I can't wait them to make the long trip from Canada to the dealer and then on to Texas.  Please package with care!!!

Hi

Yes we got the veneer in on Wednesday so they are currently in production.

They have to go on a skid as they are too heavy for Puralator or UPS etc.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 18 Jun 2015, 04:31 pm
Hi

Yes we got the veneer in on Wednesday so they are currently in production.

They have to go on a skid as they are too heavy for Puralator or UPS etc.

james

Take your time...I want perfection  :green:

Feel free to add in a prototype BDA-3 while you're at it  :lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 18 Jun 2015, 10:10 pm
My new stands..perfect fit..20 inches high ....love the color...LOL :D

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/001_1.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/001_1.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/002_1.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/002_1.jpg.html)


.....the target stands should be here Saturday...
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Grit on 19 Jun 2015, 07:42 am
Hahaha! I love your innovation!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jun 2015, 01:40 pm
Hi Folks,

My latest setup in RM 2 - Mini T speakers with Mini T Subs.

james

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123049)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 19 Jun 2015, 02:24 pm
Beautiful!!!

Love the Pioneer Elite Plasma..should never have sold my pro 111FD...the best tv ever.

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/100_3549.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/100_3549.jpg.html)

Can you share some info about the stands for the Mini T's?

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jun 2015, 03:05 pm
Hi gene

I am going to change the stands to Target as the stands in the picture are too light in weight and a little tippy.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 20 Jun 2015, 04:09 pm
messing around while waiting for delivery..here they are temporarily on the 24 inch B&W stands.

I found turning the top plate the long way and removing the bottom rubber feet from the speaker makes a better fit..the rubber feet or spikes can
 be added after placing the speaker on stand..seems hard to do if they are still on b4 placement.

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/002_2.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/002_2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jun 2015, 04:32 pm
Looks neat  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 20 Jun 2015, 05:21 pm
Thanks..now the bad news..the target FS 50 stands are very disappointing. Not at all as advertised and ugly to boot. Poorly constructed and not at all in the class of the B&W stands that cost much less. Cheap parts and sticky bottom rubber bumpers. Height is good at 20 inches for my liking. But back they have to go. Perhaps a higher Target model would be better but if parts are similar I would pass.

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/004_4.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/004_4.jpg.html)

cannot turn plate on these so whole stand has to go sideways..plus takes some maneuvering to get plate and poles straight  :(

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/003_2.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/003_2.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jun 2015, 05:30 pm
Hi Gene

Sorry to hear that - they are the smallest stands Target makes so I agree the MR Series would be better suited as the gage of everything is higher.

Typically the FS stand is used with the Bryston Mini A Bookshelf


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123108)


james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jun 2015, 05:32 pm
Here are the MR stands:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123101)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jun 2015, 05:40 pm
Hi Folks,

Here are the 4 different types of Target Stands - they each come in 20, 22 and 24 inch heights.

FS

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123104)

HR

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123105)

HS

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123106)

MR

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123107)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 20 Jun 2015, 09:52 pm
I am looking into something different and keeping speakers low..they just seem to sound and look better that way. These are some big boys. Sound anchor makes some but are costly..I see some low height solid wood speakers stands as well.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jun 2015, 10:58 pm
I am looking into something different and keeping speakers low..they just seem to sound and look better that way. These are some big boys. Sound anchor makes some but are costly..I see some low height solid wood speakers stands as well.

Hi Gene


I am thinking of designing a custom stand for the MINi T using the MR stand but having a top plate to match the base of the Mini T.

Sound Anchors are a good option as well.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jun 2015, 12:24 pm
Hi Folks,

SNEAK PEAK:

Have some terrific reviews coming on a Bryston speaker surround system using 4 of the Mini A's,  one AC-1 Micro Center and one Model A Sub from two US major magazines.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123158)

FAVORITE QUOTES:


•   Their transient response, their capacity for dynamics, their beautiful tonal balance at any volume, and their sublime dispersion characteristics made them amongst my favorite bookshelf speakers that I've auditioned in quite some time. Perhaps ever.

•   It’s dynamic capabilities, its deliciously neutral midrange, and its exquisitely impactful yet nimble bass, you're left with a system that has almost no sonic faults.

•   The other thing I couldn't help but notice in that scene is just how seamlessly the Model A subwoofer blended with the satellites.


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 21 Jun 2015, 02:08 pm
Hi Gene


I am thinking of designing a custom stand for the MINi T using the MR stand but having a top plate to match the base of the Mini T.

Sound Anchors are a good option as well.

james

Yes .....a matching top plate is a great idea.You can remove the rubber feet or spikes but the 4 posts remain sticking out from the bottom of the speaker making lining up on a plate very tricky. Perhaps a future Mini T will have the feet screw directly into the base of the speaker so it can be placed completely flat.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 23 Jun 2015, 12:02 pm
ok..so it looks like I missed that the posts on the bottom of the Mini T's can be unscrewed. Mine are so tight I don't want to mess with them and cause any damage. Anyone have a safe way or experience in unscrewing them?.... :oops:

Thanks James for the info:D
..had a feeling there was a screw inside the post..both my Kits did not have an allen wrench so that threw me off..I have plenty so I will find one that fits and try that later today.

I did take a break last night and sat down and listened to the Beatles Abbey Road CD...the Mini T's were very impressive and delivered the goods even though they are still not properly placed yet.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 26 Jun 2015, 03:59 pm
I ordered some custom 9 inch stands in solid wood with 2 inch adjustable spikes..black ash to match the speakers.In the meantime I put on the weight lifting belt and got down to setting the Mini T's up on my B&W FS 24 inch stands. These are quality stands and I highly recommend them.They are superior to the Target stands for half the money. If you are looking for  24 inch stands, these are the ones!. It's time to get down to some serious listening so I hope to have  updates on a regular basis.

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/003_3.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/003_3.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/004_5.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/004_5.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/006_2.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/006_2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jun 2015, 05:29 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T’s – Now in the UK!

June 2015

“James - it's now a few months since I took delivery of my Model T's, and I thought I'd give you some feedback on how I've got on. I know it's been a while, but I wanted to give myself some time to live with the new speakers, see how they affected me.

My overall summary is that the speakers have completely changed the way I am listening to music,

because I feel much more like I am listening to singers/band/orchestras/etc. rather than to CD's (albeit via a great transport and DAC). At first I found this quite overwhelming - the ability of the speakers to deliver a 'real world' experience took me by surprise and stopped me listening as passively as I once did. I feel much more involved in the music I'm listening to. I've always listened at reasonable volumes (I have an understanding family!) and whereas previously I could do so and get on with other activities, now I'm finding I want to stop and just enjoy the music even more than I did before. It's a wonderful thing, but initially was quite distracting - in a good way. Since then I've learnt how to manage that balance. Background listening happens at a much lower volume - the speakers still sound great when quiet - but at those volumes I can just about resist the allure!

However when I really want to listen I am continually grinning at how good stuff sounds - not least that control and extension down at the bass end. It's a great feeling!

Before I'd first heard the model T's in the US I'd read a lot about how they sounded like much more expensive speakers (the sort of stuff way out of my price league). Because I had to import them to the UK personally (I gather I was the first UK purchaser) then the cost went up a bit more, but I still feel I have bought a pair speakers that offer tremendous value for money.

Above all else though I have speakers that make my enjoyment of music even better than it was before (and that took some doing!). As such I want to thank you for your passion and commitment to getting the model T's made, and for personally helping me in getting them over here to the UK.”

Very best regards
John
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jun 2015, 10:23 am
Hi Folks

Mini A Review from Germany - English translation.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123553)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123554)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123555)


I have a PDF copy - email me if you want a copy jamestanner@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jun 2015, 05:38 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123704)
Hi Folks,

Some nice pics of the Mini A from an up-coming review

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123702)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123703)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123629)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123630)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123631)



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 29 Jun 2015, 01:28 pm
My "T's" should be on the way to the dealer this week.  Starting to get excited!!!  :D
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bjski on 29 Jun 2015, 06:21 pm
My mini T's along with center channel arrive this week.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Jun 2015, 06:25 pm
My mini T's along with center channel arrive this week.

Great - looking forward to your comments.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jul 2015, 10:48 am
Hi Folks

It's "Canada Day" today and what better way to celebrate than another excellent review on a Canadian speaker ... aye!




MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini A Speaker Review


July 2015

Hi Folks,

Please see attached link regarding another superb review on the Bryston Mini A loudspeaker in Soundstage Magazine.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123852)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123853)

 
FAVOURITE QUOTES:

“The Mini A speakers’ ability to go effortlessly from soft to loud was admirable for a fairly small speaker.”

“The Brystons simply sounded right as they immersed me in vast, 3D sound-scapes.”


Click on link for full review:

http://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/873
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 1 Jul 2015, 01:45 pm
I thoroughly enjoyed my time with the Mini A's. They were so much fun to listen to and I loved how they looked with the grilles off. I cannot recommend them enough. I had planned to buy a pair in walnut after selling the Boston Cherry vinyl demos but I had a few more speakers I wanted to audition first. Inexpensive, beautiful look and finish... even in vinyl, terrific sounding, it's the complete package.  :D
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Jul 2015, 07:41 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston AC-1 Center Channel


July 2015

Hi Folks,

We have added the Bryston AC-1 Center speaker to our A Series speaker models.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=124683)

The AC-1 Center is a larger version of our AC-1 Mini speaker and adds a second midrange and tweeter driver for more power handling.

The AC-1 Center is a perfect match for the Model A1 or Model A2 speaker in a surround setup.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=124684)

             Frequency response and Sound Power


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=124685)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jul 2015, 07:54 pm
Hi Folks,

The new AC-1 Center channel is now on our website.

http://www.bryston.com/products/speakers/Model_A1_Center.html

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jul 2015, 08:40 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Surround System Review


July 2015

Hi Folks,

Please see link below to our entry level surround system review from Home Theater Review Magazine.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=124958)
 
Bryston Mini A and AC1 Micro Speaker System Reviewed

Favourite quotes:

1. Nothing about the setup process really prepared me for the sound of Bryston's "mini" speakers. I was drawn in by the clarity and purity of dialogue pouring out of the AC1 Micro.

2, The other thing I couldn't help but notice is just how seamlessly the Model A subwoofer blended with the satellites. Not only that, but the sub in and of itself is utterly musical, without a hint of audible resonance, no bloat, and a remarkable room-filling quality.


http://hometheaterreview.com/bryston-mini-a-and-ac1-micro-speaker-system-reviewed/

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2015, 06:23 pm
Hi Folks,

A customer sent me this showing his Rosewood Model T's - WOW - what a nice setup aye
  :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125028)

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2015, 06:52 pm
Hi Folks,

New Bryston dealer in Washington State:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125032)

Hi James

The A1s are an extraordinary value.  I've only been open for a week and a half and I may be selling two pair soon.  If these speakers sell as well as we think they will, I will order a couple pair to keep in stock. 

The customer response for the A1s has been outstanding thus far.  You did an awesome job developing the speakers. 

Now it's our job to feature them in a favorable space.


Cheers,
Hans

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 22 Jul 2015, 08:06 pm
Stands from www.gwizpro.com arrived. Very nice. I ordered the spikes for the bottoms and used a little blu tack for the pucks that come with the spikes. They are a group of VETS who custom build wooden stands for speakers.. Any size or custom design and whatever color stain you want. I went with a basic black ash to match speakers. Only 9 inches high not counting spikes. Looking and sounding good.

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/003_4.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/003_4.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/005_1.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/005_1.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/001_3.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/001_3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jul 2015, 09:07 pm
Thanks really neat!  How are you liking the Mini T's?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Spyman on 22 Jul 2015, 10:20 pm
Stands from www.gwizpro.com arrived. Very nice. I ordered the spikes for the bottoms and used a little blu tack for the pucks that come with the spikes. They are a group of VETS who custom build wooden stands for speakers.. Any size or custom design and whatever color stain you want. I went with a basic black ash to match speakers. Only 9 inches high not counting spikes. Looking and sounding good.

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/003_4.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/003_4.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/005_1.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/005_1.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/001_3.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/001_3.jpg.html)

Gene9p,

What a great idea! I've used spikes under my speaker stands for years and I've always had a love/hate feeling toward the pucks. Love because they protect the floor, and hate because they always come loose when I have to move the speakers. I never thought of using Blu Tack! Great idea!

Terry
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 23 Jul 2015, 01:06 pm
Thanks....it's not perfect but it certainly helps  :)

James:

 as far as the Mini T's go it's still a work in progress but now that I have the stands and have them set up pretty much the way I want them , I can concentrate on the tweaks to bring out the best of the speakers. First thing I plan to is to bi wire them. My biggest issue is that they are on the boomy side in my home set up although when the were just sitting on the floor with the spikes they were sounding really good. The detail is terrific . They might need some bass management that my Parasound JC2 doesn't have but my Marantz Pre/pro does so I might swap out the leads to see to experiment using the Marantz. I have a few other ideas in mind as an apartment dweller I don't have the luxury of space as a house owner does. I am committed now to the Mini T's as I sold the Harbeth's and set up my B&W sig's in my BR with a nice Rotel integrated amp and a Rotel tuner. It's what I like to do, work the problem. It keeps me busy and in the end is very rewarding with all the hands on trial and error. It is a great learning experience too. We've come a long way since a simple receiver, turntable and speakers.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jul 2015, 01:12 pm
Thanks....it's not perfect but it certainly helps  :)

James:

 as far as the Mini T's go it's still a work in progress but now that I have the stands and have them set up pretty much the way I want them , I can concentrate on the tweaks to bring out the best of the speakers. First thing I plan to is to bi wire them. My biggest issue is that they are on the boomy side in my home set up although when the were just sitting on the floor with the spikes they were sounding really good. The detail is terrific . They might need some bass management that my Parasound JC2 doesn't have but my Marantz Pre/pro does so I might swap out the leads to see to experiment using the Marantz. I have a few other ideas in mind as an apartment dweller I don't have the luxury of space as a house owner does. I am committed now to the Mini T's as I sold the Harbeth's and set up my B&W sig's in my BR with a nice Rotel integrated amp and a Rotel tuner. It's what I like to do, work the problem. It keeps me busy and in the end is very rewarding with all the hands on trial and error. It is a great learning experience too. We've come a long way since a simple receiver, turntable and speakers.

OK Thanks - the Mini T's will go down to 35 Cycles so they go much lower than most bookshelf type speakers so they will load the room differently. Also as you noticed when you raise them off the floor the floor bounce dip changes due to the different wavelengths in the bass relative to the floor and your listening position.

We do have a product called PORT PLUGS which allow you to block the port on the rear of the speaker.  What that does is gently roll off the low bass a little quicker and you may fine that helps in a small room.  Try stuffing the ports with a pair of socks and see if that helps.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 23 Jul 2015, 01:30 pm
I am using foam rubber in ports....no clean socks..LOL.....I did use the socks trick as well.  :D
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 23 Jul 2015, 05:42 pm
OK Thanks - the Mini T's will go down to 35 Cycles so they go much lower than most bookshelf type speakers so they will load the room differently. Also as you noticed when you raise them off the floor the floor bounce dip changes due to the different wavelengths in the bass relative to the floor and your listening position.

We do have a product called PORT PLUGS which allow you to block the port on the rear of the speaker.  What that does is gently roll off the low bass a little quicker and you may fine that helps in a small room.  Try stuffing the ports with a pair of socks and see if that helps.

james


James,

maybe you should offer some Bryston socks to do so... :lol:

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: srb on 23 Jul 2015, 06:25 pm
Try stuffing the ports with a pair of socks and see if that helps.

One of the few situations where you can tell someone to "put a sock in it" with no chance of hurt feelings.  ;)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 26 Jul 2015, 06:40 am
Hi James ,
Found this on Twitter :

@DAR__KO: Depeche Mode's "Dream On" sounding rather tasty on Bryston Mini T loudspeakers powered by Bryston… https://t.co/bycDnYswTo

Cheers Marius
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jul 2015, 05:16 pm
Hi James ,
Found this on Twitter :

@DAR__KO: Depeche Mode's "Dream On" sounding rather tasty on Bryston Mini T loudspeakers powered by Bryston… https://t.co/bycDnYswTo

Cheers Marius

Thanks - was this in a store?

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 26 Jul 2015, 05:35 pm
Thanks - was this in a store?

james

Hi James
Dont know, maybe you  can find more on http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/,  dar_ko is Publisher/Editor of DAR and staff writer for 6Moons, TONEAudio according to his twitter-bio

Cheers
Marius
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jul 2015, 05:53 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T – Customer Feedback


July 2015

Hello Mr. Tanner,

We had an e-mail exchange back in December 2014 regarding Bryston Mini-T loudspeakers during which you answered various questions.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125310)

Just following up to let you know that I recently purchased a pair of Mini-Ts from Audio Eden in Aurora, Ontario and am really pleased. These speakers satisfy that "Goldlocks" need in my somewhat smaller living room. They're not too small and they're not too big, but just right.  In my room they have the immediacy that a standmount (bookshelf) speaker possesses but also have the deeper bass and impact that previous floorstanders have provided.  They also sound great (coherent) at somewhat closer listening distances.

Excellent speakers!   Thank you for taking your own "hobby" loudspeaker project and refining it to be a commercial product line.

FOLLOW UP:

Hi Mr. Tanner,

Yes the Mini-Ts are special.

For years (late 80s onward) I owned Canadian made Energy Reference 22 loudspeakers and have spent the last 5 years trying to find a replacement for them. Tried a variety of excellent speakers including KEFs and Revels but nothing worked better in my room than my old Energy Ref 22s until discovering your Mini-Ts.

Similar sized speaker but the Mini-Ts are superior to the Ref 22s.  More accurate and even more powerful.  Thanks again for finally ending my loudspeaker search. It's nice to know that Canadians make some outstanding hi-fi gear that competes with anyone on the world stage.

Ron
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Jul 2015, 11:00 am
Hello Bryston!
 
Ken Veitch here. A few pictures of my new Bryston Model A's finished in Boston Cherry veneer and also a couple of pictures to show the terrible room dynamics they must overcome. BTW, the flatscreen is being raised on Wednesday so it will just clear the height of the Model A's. The product is JEWELERY! FLAWLESS! BRAVO guys!!!

Sound quality is wonderful and warm, fat, and super clean.  Best I've ever had in MY home. My idea: "Buy Brystons for your Brystons!"   It's simple and it just works so well!  I have a quite a few of them... lol....
 
I'm going home via my air conditioned car to my wonderfully cool flat to listen to my Bryston system and let it wrap me in the warmth and love that ALL Bryston products are created for. IMHO....
 
Sincerely:
 
Kenneth B. Veitch
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 30 Jul 2015, 03:56 am
Don't remember if I posted the photo of the Model T's at Pulsworks when Mr. Tanner was in Saskatoon.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125481)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 30 Jul 2015, 08:06 pm
Bi wired the Mini T's and received the Axiom port plugs which fit perfectly  :thumb:

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/002_3.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/002_3.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/003_5.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/003_5.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/005_2.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/005_2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 31 Jul 2015, 02:06 pm
Gene9p,

What a great idea! I've used spikes under my speaker stands for years and I've always had a love/hate feeling toward the pucks. Love because they protect the floor, and hate because they always come loose when I have to move the speakers. I never thought of using Blu Tack! Great idea!

Terry

I replaced the spikes on my ProAc Response D30R floorstanding speakers with Soundcare SuperSpikes (Standard model).

They act like spikes but also protect your floors and you don't have to worry about moving/adjusting your speakers.

http://www.soundcare.no/products.htm (http://www.soundcare.no/products.htm)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 1 Aug 2015, 01:26 am
Hi James,

I am interested in purchasing the Model T Signature speakers, and have a few questions.

  1. Is there still going to be an active crossover available as an upgrade option?


  2. If i use only 1 amp, i believe your suggestion was a pair of 7B's.  If i had the money then i would also buy a pair of 4b's.

     How much of a sonic improvement would i hear if i used both 4b's and 7b's as opposed to just a pair of 7b's?


  3. If i wanted could i replace the passive crossovers with a pair of 10b's, and would that be a good idea?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Aug 2015, 01:36 am
Hi James,

I am interested in purchasing the Model T Signature speakers, and have a few questions.

  1. Is there still going to be an active crossover available as an upgrade option?


  2. If i use only 1 amp, i believe your suggestion was a pair of 7B's.  If i had the money then i would also buy a pair of 4b's.

     How much of a sonic improvement would i hear if i used both 4b's and 7b's as opposed to just a pair of 7b's?


  3. If i wanted could i replace the passive crossovers with a pair of 10b's, and would that be a good idea?

Hi Adol

1. Yes my plan is to offer an active digital crossover - I want to use the same DACs as in the new BDA-3 DAC so I am waiting till I have more time with the DAC.

2. Not much advantage in using a 4B on top as long as you have the Passive crossover in  the signal path.  The 4B's would be used for the Mids and Tweeter in the active version though.

3. No - the passive crossovers are not typical crossovers in the Model T's so you are better off using the Passive external crossover and wait for the dedicated crossover we will develop going forward.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 1 Aug 2015, 01:03 pm
So, what controls will be on the active digital crossover.

Ability to change crossover points?

Any type of volume control?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Aug 2015, 01:19 pm
So, what controls will be on the active digital crossover.

Ability to change crossover points?

Any type of volume control?

HI

NO NO NO - I will not allow changes in the crossover - the whole idea is to make sure the crossover provides as accurate a response as possible. With well designed Passive crossovers you can get usually plus or minus about 1 DB or so of accuracy throughout the frequency range whereas an active digital crossover can give you plus or minus within 1/4 DB.

The thing you have to remember is the on and off axis frequency response of the speaker is greatly controlled by the crossover and if you allow changes you totally destroy the fine tuning of the on and off axis response taking place using the active crossover (or the passive crossover for that matter)

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 1 Aug 2015, 01:38 pm

Here is what i do not understand, when using the active crossover (alot actually)

If i have a pair of 7b's on the bottom and 4b's on the top using the active crossover,
 how is the volume controlled, by the fact that the 7b's put out more power to the lower drivers?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Aug 2015, 01:56 pm
Here is what i do not understand, when using the active crossover (alot actually)

If i have a pair of 7b's on the bottom and 4b's on the top using the active crossover,
 how is the volume controlled, by the fact that the 7b's put out more power to the lower drivers?

Hi adol

The Bryston power amps have different power ratings but the all have the same 'GAIN' - so that means you can use any Bryston amp with any other Bryston amp and the volume levels will be identical for a given voltage in even though the power ratings are different.  So a 4B would clip before a 7B but generally mid ranges and tweeters take much less power than woofers.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Spyman on 1 Aug 2015, 05:50 pm
I replaced the spikes on my ProAc Response D30R floorstanding speakers with Soundcare SuperSpikes (Standard model).

They act like spikes but also protect your floors and you don't have to worry about moving/adjusting your speakers.

http://www.soundcare.no/products.htm (http://www.soundcare.no/products.htm)
Thanks for the link. Looks good!

Terry
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Aug 2015, 02:48 pm
Nice Bryston System - Sounds Superb!!!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125740)

Eugene A. Camali
General Manager
EN-TECH Corp.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 3 Aug 2015, 08:56 pm
the only thing missing is Michael J Fox plugging in his guitar  :lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bjski on 3 Aug 2015, 09:56 pm
Looking Good!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bummrush on 3 Aug 2015, 10:39 pm
 G D thats a speaker. Wow
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Aug 2015, 03:40 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Smiths Audio – Congratulations!


August, 2015

Hi Folks,

Bryston would like to formally offer our congratulations to one of our dealers.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125780)
 
Smith’s Custom Audio Video in Lethbridge Alberta has now sold over 40 Pairs of Bryston loudspeakers.

Given that Lethbridge has a population of less than 40,000 that’s quite an accomplishment.

Thank you Ashley and all those involved ... we truly appreciate your efforts on our behalf!


James Tanner
V/P Bryston Ltd.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 4 Aug 2015, 10:57 pm
As I venture forward with the mini T's....a good little tweak is dump the jumpers for bi-wire or even better, make some good jumpers yourself. I have a bit of Monoprice 12 gauge speaker wire leftover from my BR setup. I made jumpers a pair of jumpers for each speaker, very nice improvement in sound.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Aug 2015, 11:09 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston A2 Speaker Surround System


August 2015


Hi James,

Got the A2 surround system set up and enjoying it very much.

I call it the “Bryston A1 Archway” to musical heaven!

Dane Kidner

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125901)

System is A1 Bryston speakers left/right and AC-1 Center.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Aug 2015, 11:29 am
Hi Folks,

Shot of the Model T Active setup in my number 2 audio room:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125958)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 7 Aug 2015, 01:23 pm
James,

Do you notice any difference powering it with a pair - 6b's as opposed to a pair of 7b's and 4b's.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 7 Aug 2015, 01:27 pm
Hi Folks,

Shot of the Model T Active setup in my number 2 audio room:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125958)

james

is that my Pioneer Elite..I sadly and foolishly sold it 2 years ago   :cry:

PS. I like that everyone, including myself, puts little decorations or ornaments on the top of their Bryston speakers  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Aug 2015, 01:51 pm
James,

Do you notice any difference powering it with a pair - 6b's as opposed to a pair of 7b's and 4b's.

Hi

Yes I think depending on the room and the bass response the 7B's give a bit more control and deep bass response over the 6B.  The mids and top are the same in the 6B as in a 4B (power wise) so I do not notice any difference there.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Aug 2015, 01:54 pm
is that my Pioneer Elite..I sadly and foolishly sold it 2 years ago   :cry:

PS. I like that everyone, including myself, puts little decorations or ornaments on the top of their Bryston speakers  :thumb:

Hi

Yes Pioneer Elite - got one of the last ones !

On top is my Beatles USB Apple digital files (everything the Beatles did at 24 BIT resolution) and on the Subs my Bryston and Lightning caps  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 7 Aug 2015, 03:46 pm
is that my Pioneer Elite..I sadly and foolishly sold it 2 years ago   :cry:

PS. I like that everyone, including myself, puts little decorations or ornaments on the top of their Bryston speakers  :thumb:

James,

Are you trying to start an earthquake with all that bass in one room?  :lol:

Is that the Boston Cherry finish?  Looks marvelous!

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Aug 2015, 04:27 pm
James,

Are you trying to start an earthquake with all that bass in one room?  :lol:

Is that the Boston Cherry finish?  Looks marvelous!

Hi

Yes Boston Cherry. 

I do not use the Subs with the Model T's - use the subs sometimes with the Mini T's and the Mini A's and A3's.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Aug 2015, 01:12 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston A2 Mini Subwoofer


August 2015

Hi Folks,

The ‘Bipole’ design of the Bryston A Subwoofer has been a big success for our customers so we are introducing a smaller version to expand the A Series Sub line-up.

Designated the ‘Mini A Sub’ it will employ two 8 inch opposing drivers instead of the current 10 inch drivers utilized in the current Model A Sub. 

Subwoofer Measurement:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126203)

Bryston measures/designs our subwoofers using our factory on-sight 90 foot Tower.

This allows us to accurate make a true 4-pi measurement.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126204)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Aug 2015, 07:47 pm
I love my Model T's. They are beautiful in their Custom Rosewood finish and I most often leave the grilles off.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126219)

While I have your attention I want everyone to know that as these speakers break in they impress me more every day. As many of you know, there is a 14bsst2 being built for me right now and when that arrives I'm sure I will hear even more dynamics and detail out of these beauties.

Thanks,
Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Aug 2015, 03:31 pm
Hi James,

I own the Bryston Middle T's and I wanted to know what center speaker would match with those.

I have the Middle T's and I love them. They sound great!

I am so happy I switched from my Klipsch,  the bass on the middle T's is awesome. They even sound great with movies also. I didn't think anything could do better than RC 7 ii I replaced them with on movies.

Very pleased

Thank You
William Kubiak
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Aug 2015, 05:26 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Horizontal In-Wall


August, 2015

Hi Folks,

We have had some requests for a Bryston ‘Horizontal’ In-Wall 3-way speaker to match our current vertical version for Center channel applications.

Please see below:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126525)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126526)
   
There is the option of a Metal grill or Fabric grill which attaches magnetically


Specifications:

Frequency Response: 70Hz to 20kHz (+/- 3dB)
Impedance: 8 Ohms (nominal)
Sensitivity: 87 dB SPL @ 1 meter @ 1 watt (anechoic)
Maximum SPL: 100 dB SPL @ 1 meter
Recommended Power: 10 watts to 175 watts RMS
Tweeter: Single 1.0"
Midrange: Single 3.0"
Woofer: Single 6.5"
Crossover: 500Hz and 2.3 kHz

Physical:
14” H x 7.75” W x 3.45” D
356mm H x 196mm W x 88mm D
11 Ibs (5 kg)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Aug 2015, 06:32 pm
Hi Folks,

Sneak peak of a review on the Bryston A2 speaker in the upcoming issue of French Magazine Son & Image:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126687)

Conclusion

A tour de force at this price because these Bryston A2’s play audio, so well, comparable to speakers at double or almost triple their prices.

Amazing!

The multiple driver setup, besides giving a great look to A2, produce an amazing quality sound. Being able to play at a realistic volume with ease and without distortion the A2 depends in part on this design of the six drivers per speaker and also the quality and rigorous design and manufacturing techniques..

If I were at the point of purchasing new speakers, the Bryston A2 model would be at the top of my list!  At the price of $ 2,790 a pair the quality / price of the model Bryston A2 speaker is somewhat remarkable.

In addition, they are designed and manufactured here in Canada, and all accompanied by the Bryston famous 20-year warranty.

A MUST listen without hesitation.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126688)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Aug 2015, 02:27 pm

Hello Mr. Tanner,

Just letting you know that the longer I've had my Mini-Ts (almost 2 months now), I keep enjoying them more and more. Usually the excitement of a new purchase gradually wears off.  In this case the Mini-Ts keep on making music sound great, day after day.

The thrill isn't wearing off.


Sincerely,
Ron
Sudbury, Ontario
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Aug 2015, 02:22 pm
Hi James,

Please find attached pictures of very nice shop exposition with Bryston monitors.

Hi-Ton - is one of the nicest hi-fi shop in Warsaw.

Best regards


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126908)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126909)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Aug 2015, 06:47 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston A2 Speaker – Dealer Feedback


August, 2015

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126916)

Hey James,

Well I finally got to un-boxing the A2's. 

These are some “seriously” good speakers at their price point!

From the first 30 seconds with these guys, I could tell right away that they are a crazy great speaker at their price level.  They simply retain soooo much of the qualities of the bigger, and much more expensive,  Model T's.  The lack of dynamic compression, which is typical for a speaker at this price point, just makes the A2's a blast to listen to.

A have a list of about 20 songs that I use to evaluate all my speakers.  Besides the usual "sitting in the sweet spot" and critically listening, I also play this list (thanks to a BDP-2) while I am working in my office, just down a little hall.

I know a speaker is a good one when I am forced to stop whatever paper/computer work I am doing and walk into the demo room to hear that I was hearing in the office. With the A2's, I did that with every damn song on my playlist. 

Well done!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126918)


Paul V Kraft   
President
Engaged Audio Video
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dallyd31 on 28 Aug 2015, 12:05 am
James

How important is break in for the Middle T and how long  until they are "mostly" at their best
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Aug 2015, 12:44 am
James

How important is break in for the Middle T and how long  until they are "mostly" at their best

I would say about 30 hours.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dallyd31 on 28 Aug 2015, 12:58 am
I would say about 30 hours.

James

Should I see a noticeable difference vs out of the box ?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Aug 2015, 01:03 am
Should I see a noticeable difference vs out of the box ?

Not really - they just open up a bit and there will be an extension of the frequency extremes and they will sound more coherent with faster transients.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: AJAudio on 28 Aug 2015, 03:36 am
Hi James,

Looking at the picture you posted about Hi-Ton and the "Mini-A" and "Mini-T" that we see in it...

I've seen (actually audition) a pair of "Mini-T" but haven't seen the "Mini-A".

Compared to the "A", the "T's" don't look that "Mini" to me!

Maybe you should revised your calling scheme...  (Just kidding!  :-))

Another question; Althought they are not needed for stability, are they any "outriggers" that would fit the "Mini-T" ?  My setup would put them on a desktop...  Just thinking they would look good with those...  Would the same one used on the Middle/Model-T fit the Mini-T ?

Thank you for your time!

Take care!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Aug 2015, 10:35 am
Hi James,

Looking at the picture you posted about Hi-Ton and the "Mini-A" and "Mini-T" that we see in it...

I've seen (actually audition) a pair of "Mini-T" but haven't seen the "Mini-A".

Compared to the "A", the "T's" don't look that "Mini" to me!

Maybe you should revised your calling scheme...  (Just kidding!  :-))

Another question; Althought they are not needed for stability, are they any "outriggers" that would fit the "Mini-T" ?  My setup would put them on a desktop...  Just thinking they would look good with those...  Would the same one used on the Middle/Model-T fit the Mini-T ?

Thank you for your time!

Take care!

Hi AJ

Yes when I named them the Mini T that was in comparison to the Model T  :icon_lol:

No I am sorry the outriggers only fit the Model T, Middle T, A1 and A2 speakers.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: AJAudio on 28 Aug 2015, 06:23 pm
Hi James,

Do you have a picture of an upside-down (or on the side) speaker with your outriggers installed to see how they mount ?

I wonder if they could not be fitted if "adapted" (another hole drilled...) manually.

Thanks!

Take care.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Aug 2015, 06:31 pm
Hi James,

Do you have a picture of an upside-down (or on the side) speaker with your outriggers installed to see how they mount ?

I wonder if they could not be fitted if "adapted" (another hole drilled...) manually.

Thanks!

Take care.

They just use the same 4 holes that the 4 feet to mount to.

The outriggers are too long for the Mini T's so you would have to drill holes in the metal outrigger.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Sep 2015, 06:24 pm
Hi Folks,

Got the PDF today on the review in Son & Image Magazine - English translation - will post link soon.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=127055)

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Sep 2015, 10:25 pm
http://www.bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2015_09_Reviews_Son.pdf

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Soldeed on 2 Sep 2015, 05:26 pm



Any idea what the Canadian MSRP is of the AC 1 center?

Thanks
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Sep 2015, 05:53 pm


Any idea what the Canadian MSRP is of the AC 1 center?

Thanks

Hi

AC1 is $1600 until October 1st.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Ron D on 2 Sep 2015, 09:01 pm
James - can you please advise the Canadian list prices on the AC-1 Micro & Mini as well, TIA
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Sep 2015, 10:41 pm
James - can you please advise the Canadian list prices on the AC-1 Micro & Mini as well, TIA

$490 and $1250

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Sep 2015, 01:59 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston A2 Speaker Customer Feedback


August 2015

Hello James,

Just a note to let you know I purchased a pair of Bryston A2 loudspeakers recently.

The A2's are fabulous !

And certainly no need for a subwoofer!!  I've attached a couple of pictures.

I bought the Bryston A2's from Hi-Fi Centre in Vancouver. They were their demo models.

I had the (edit) speakers before. The A2s are miles better!

Cheers,
David
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: AJAudio on 4 Sep 2015, 05:47 pm
Hi James,

There is a mention about "port plugs" in the speaker documentation that can be used when the speakers are located near walls or corner to attenuate the bass responses...

How much would a pair of those cost ?

(For the "Mini T" if it matters)

Thanks!

Take care!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Sep 2015, 05:58 pm
Hi James,

There is a mention about "port plugs" in the speaker documentation that can be used when the speakers are located near walls or corner to attenuate the bass responses...

How much would a pair of those cost ?

(For the "Mini T" if it matters)

Thanks!

Take care!

Hi AJ

$16.00 Each.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Sep 2015, 09:56 pm
Nice setup !

Bryston A2 speakers.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=127305)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dallyd31 on 5 Sep 2015, 01:25 am
I would say about 30 hours.

James

I have about 45 hours on my middle T's now and seemingly they are still improving every day
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Sep 2015, 10:22 am
I have about 45 hours on my middle T's now and seemingly they are still improving every day

HI

What do you find changes as they mature?

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dallyd31 on 5 Sep 2015, 12:27 pm
HI

What do you find changes as they mature?

james

So far , mostly everything.  For me, most notably,  the top end becomes a little  more extended, smoother and airy and the mids are becoming a little more crisp.   Imaging seems to improve as well.   all of these were great to begin with, they just seem to be improving
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Sep 2015, 01:01 pm
So far , mostly everything.  For me, most notably,  the top end becomes a little  more extended, smoother and airy and the mids are becoming a little more crisp.   Imaging seems to improve as well.   all of these were great to begin with, they just seem to be improving

It's interesting isn't it - as these are things that are not measured but certainly seem to change with time.  :scratch:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dallyd31 on 5 Sep 2015, 01:25 pm
It's interesting isn't it - as these are things that are not measured but certainly seem to change with time.  :scratch:

james

Definitely.   No question I have noticed changes and improvements.   As I said, mostly in the top end and the mids (especially the snare drum frequency range) And still continuing to change, albeit subtly now
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 6 Sep 2015, 09:22 am
Nice indeed James, special-build Subs in the back?


Cheers,
Marius


Nice setup !

Bryston A2 speakers.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=127305)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Sep 2015, 11:50 am
Nice indeed James, special-build Subs in the back?


Cheers,
Marius

Yes the dealer is not using the Subs but they are for sale.  They are Kinergetics I believe which were popular in their day.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 6 Sep 2015, 02:43 pm
thanks,
new to me, they do seem to fit the Bryston design quite nicely though .


Yes the dealer is not using the Subs but they are for sale.  They are Kinergetics I believe which were popular in their day.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Sep 2015, 08:08 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Signature Speakers


September 2015

Hi James;
 
I can’t believe it’s been almost two years since I got my Model T Signatures, as they continue to impress me every time I listen to them.

Everything I said before still holds true with the added observation that they sound so real, they definitely give me the “you are there ” feeling. I constantly find myself exclaiming, “Man, that sounds like live music!!!.”

An excellent example of this is Snarky Puppy – you may not be familiar with their music, but they are a large jazz group who record live in the studio with no overdubs before a small audience. Fantastic arrangements and the T’s bring all the dynamics of their recordings to life. You can check out their videos on Youtube.
 
A while back I inquired about outriggers for the external passive crossovers on the T’s and you said there were no plans for anything like this. I wanted to mechanically isolate the crossovers the same way the T’s were, so I tapped four holes in the bases of the crossover cases and threaded in the feet that came with the T’s. I’ve attached a picture of this. I think it looks pretty good and matches nicely with the outrigger feet.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=127652)

The BDP-1 Digital Player that I got back in Aug. 2011 is a fantastic piece and I’ve been very happy with it. When the BDP-2 came out, the word was that it didn’t offer any difference in sound quality over the BDP-1, so I didn’t feel the need to upgrade. However, now that you’ve added a new Bryston-designed soundcard to the BDP-2, I think it’s time to consider an upgrade. Not only the new soundcard, but I’d like to try the internal SSD capability of the BDP-2 as well.

Thanks,  Dan
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Sep 2015, 09:29 pm

Fyi...Mini T Tone review now on web!

http://www.tonepublications.com/review/bryston-mini-t-loudspeaker/

Andre Marc
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 9 Sep 2015, 01:40 pm
nice review....if this damn heat wave ever stops here in NY, I'll be able to enjoy them more without the AC constantly running..LOL  :D

So far I am keeping them plugged with the foam plugs I received from Axiom..for 25 bucks shipped, they fit perfectly. My mini T's are enjoying the extra power provided by my new Parasound A21 at 250 per as compared to my Para A52 that put out 125 per. I have not tried bi-wiring them with the new amp setup as they sound fine with the jumpers I made from some extra speaker cabling. Lp's are really singing and since I dismantled my HT, using the Mini t's for stereo playback of movies is top notch. I am probably going to reconnect my sub woofer..this time directly to the sub output of my OPPO 103..to provide a little extra punch to soundtracks.So far I am not missing it but I really don't to part with it or not use it.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Sep 2015, 09:41 pm
Hi Folks,

Too much time on my hands this long weekend so ended up experimenting with the Bryston A3 speakers atop the Model A Sub  :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=127746)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 10 Sep 2015, 01:53 pm
you need to get a job.. :lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: HsvHeelFan on 10 Sep 2015, 02:44 pm
I think Mr. Tanner has one of the best jobs on the planet!

The only thing that would impress me more would be if he was spinning some Paul Desmond tunes instead of the Gerry Mulligan stuff that is leaned up against the wall.

HsvHeelFan
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Sep 2015, 05:13 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T Speaker –Customer Feedback


September, 2015

Hi James

I purchased a pair of Bryston Mini T speakers ... they are just spectacular!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=127794)

I got them at Audio Video therapy in Nashua, NH.

I had a vintage pair of Yamaha NS 1000's that were still really awesome speakers but the newer technology is so much better.
I just about purchased the Middle T's but couldn't work a tower into my Living Room and Entertainment center. I actually have them in open cabinet bays and it doesn't seem to affect the quality of the sound as I have a pretty bright room.

These speakers are really clear and clean sounding with great bass. It sounds like a live performance. On vocals, they are amazing and the imaging is better than any of the other speakers I listened to including B&W. I don’t blast them as my room will create some sound distortion if too loud but they can rock with really sharp bass if driven. I just prefer the sound at the point where it has volume but is not rattling the walls. This is where these speakers are the best say with Diana Krall.

Like every speaker, the better the input, the better they sound so HD audio is over the top.

Thanks again
Tom Bacon
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Sep 2015, 04:11 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T Speaker German Review


September, 2015

Hi James,

Pleas see the attached PDF ... a review in the German Hi-Fi Magazine – Stereoplay.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=127832)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=127833)

Quotes in English:

1.   Conclusion -  “Choosing a Bryston Mini T speaker gets you an exceptionally  dynamic and precise speaker Monitor.”

Also on the right side bellow measurements and valuation it is stated:

2.   “Ultimate monitor speaker with the high precision, resolution and superior dynamics. Plays sparkling clean with full & deep bass fundament.”

We are extremely  happy with the review and the fact that it appeared in one of the most influential German HiFi magazines.

Best regards,
Edvard


PDF in German available - jamestanner@bryston.com
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Sep 2015, 07:10 pm
Hi Folks,

Outstanding review in the October issue of Sound & Vision Magazine on a complete Bryston "MINI" Surround system  :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=127837)

System comprised of

Four Mini A's
One Micro Center
One Model A Bipole Subwoofer

FAVOURITE QUOTES:

•   As for the subwoofer, the Model A was as good a 10-incher as I’ve ever heard.

•   On the whole, while this Bryston setup is fine for movies, at heart it’s truly a music lover’s system.

•   The Mini A monitor rated alone is a five-star ***** speaker!


Mark Fleischmann
Sound & Vision Magazine
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 16 Sep 2015, 06:23 pm
James,

what is the recommended center speaker for the A2 speakers?
any updates planned for the A2 speakers??

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Sep 2015, 06:36 pm
James,

what is the recommended center speaker for the A2 speakers?
any updates planned for the A2 speakers??

al.

Hi al

Either the AC1 or the AC1 MIni Center.  No changes planned.  There are some great reviews coming on the A2's as well.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 16 Sep 2015, 06:55 pm
Hi al

Either the AC1 or the AC1 MIni Center.  No changes planned.  There are some great reviews coming on the A2's as well.

james
[/


thanks, James!

would the 4B SST be overkill for the A2?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 16 Sep 2015, 10:05 pm
I think Mr. Tanner has one of the best jobs on the planet!


HsvHeelFan

And he is  doing his job exceptionally well!! :thumb:
Every new product that  Bryston develops is best in class!! :thumb: :thumb:  (IMO)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 17 Sep 2015, 01:16 am
Hopefully we'll see dual 10's or 12's for subs from Bryston or perhaps a single 15" sub.
Have been thru  JL F-113's,Velodyne DD-15's.
My used 1812 gives so much musicality to music and and impact I was in disbelief when I first listened to it.
They are in high demand  if you can ever find one as they are discontinued and have been for a few yrs.
Besides the above subs have listened to JBL folded W bass bins and the 1812 just takes everything to another level.
Had 4 JL's and the 1812 made them sound like an unmuffled over toned kick drum and that's no matter where I moved them inch by inch.
She's a monster in at 385 lbs and about 4' tall and what I have heard for subs so far nothing has touched it so far,
perhaps that's why they DISCONTINUED IT and it in HIGH DEMAND.
to bad she's so big :thumb:.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Sep 2015, 04:12 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston ‘MINI’ A Polish Review - Stereolife


September, 2015

Hi Folks

Please see below a superb review of the Bryston Mini A speakers in Polish Magazine Stereolife.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128176)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128177)

CONCLUSION:

The Bryston Mini A  speakers provide a very detailed sound and have an excellent soundstage presentation with images extending way beyond the edges of the loudspeakers They create a sensational sound-space – for other speaker companies to better them in this area, and at this price would be quite a feat.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128180)

The bass and midrange quality is right up there with what I would  expect from a truly high-end speaker design. Small ambiguities associated with high frequencies were dispelled by proper cabling which means some attention should be given in the selection of associated equipment, as well as giving them a good burn-in period. 

If you do the above be prepared for long evenings alone with your music.

BRYSTON is interested in only one standard with these loudspeakers - QUALITY.

     CHECK OUT THE RATINGS


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128178)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128179)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Sep 2015, 05:40 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston ‘MINI’ T German Review - Stereoplay


September, 2015

The Three Way Approach


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128447)


Compact speakers are typically only available with two driver technology – with all of their drawbacks?  No, a small group of specialists builds, as before, compact three way speakers.  Innovative chassis technology allows Bryston to produce these speakers at the highest level.

Thirty years ago during the high season of High Fidelity, compact box speakers with three or more drivers and ample volume were the norm.  However with increasing miniaturization and the trend for stand-up speakers, more and more manufacturers renounced the three-way approach. Furthermore because the driver supply market offered more and more woofer/mid-range drivers, but less and less dedicated midrange drivers.

What is good comes back

Despite the above there are good reasons for the three-way approach, since one can then reproduce the bass much better, while the midrange is reproduced clearly and undistorted by a separate driver.
Thus more and more manufacturers once again turn to separate midrange drivers, which are often in regards to transparency and omni-directionality superior to their compromise afflicted colleagues.  Part of this trend is the new Reference-Line from KEF, the new nuVero line from Nubert, and one manufacturer who many only recognize as the source for professional electronics, the Canadians of Bryston.  Let’s open the curtain to the big jamboree of the no longer quite so compact high tech packages.

Malte Ruhnke

Bryston Mini T

The name Bryston usually stands as a synonym for amplifiers and electronic components which provide premium-quality reproduction in the studio as well as in the home at reasonable prices.  That the Canadians started five years ago to build their own loudspeakers was probably only suddenly made known to hi-fi enthusiasts during the “HIGH END 2015” when a Bryston set-up with the full-value compact Mini T speakers delighted the public.  Sound-wise they also did not repudiate their origin from the studio realm.

Optically it is quite obvious that the Mini T, with its 57 cm. height, can really not be designated as a compact speaker, although the Bryston Mini T thanks due to its six sided basic form, which gets narrower toward its back, and with its only 26 cm. width, clearly looks more elegant than the eight sided classic English monitor cabinets.  Yes, you read it correctly, the martial bass driver in the front with its bulbous rubber surround measures a generous 21 centimeters, and its flattened chassis construction was developed by Bryston in-house.

In every respect this driver meets professional demands, and in collaboration with the bass reflex tube, installed in the top back of the cabinet (for avoidance of resonance transfer to stands or mounting surfaces) is a pure sub-specialist in order to meet the firm’s own philosophy to be able to offer absolute freedom from compression at levels over 110 dB.

The bass driver is already uncoupled at 160 Hz., and the not similar 12 cm. diameter midrange driver takes over.  Since this driver is abruptly relieved from having to work in the low bass area, its surface can be smaller than comparable low midrange drivers, which additionally has the advantage that this driver does not get into the range of being bundled with the other drivers (if the radiated wave length is smaller than the diameter of the driver’s chassis), and it is moreover disconnected at 2.3 KHz. in order to achieve an equally strong radiation pattern across all frequencies. Accordingly the radiation angle of the midrange driver has only to be minimally adapted through use of a wave guide.

Here many a PA and CarHiFi chassis should go green with envy: The bulbous rubber surround is optimized for the highest excursion, the large voice coil on cardboard is substantially vented by being rear ventilated and by holes in the pole pieces, and made immune from compression.

A feature which plays an important role in the studio is the paired pre-sorting of the drivers to a maximum deviation of under .5 dB. Resulting in the Mini T speakers providing especially stable reproduction, even though the tonal deviations are already under the human threshold of hearing.


Full resolution ahead

Furthermore the relationship of the Bryston Mini Ts to high-resolution studio monitors was quite audible during Yellows “Oh Yeah”: This could be heard after thorough setup optimization (tilted in the sound was too bright), in the details in all pitches, in the stupendous accuracy it followed each impulse, bass-beat, or sample, all of which brought to mind an acoustic electron microscope.  This ultimate attention to detail, from a soft whisper to full concert hall loudness was not limited to a specific volume level; this prominent feature was always maintained.

Furthermore the deep, lush crisp, powerfully unbridled bass ensured further pleasure, and here the other two three-way speakers being tested (KEF Reference 1 and Nubert nuVero 60) had to lay down their arms and were forced to concede victory to the Bryston Mini T.

The midrange speaker is located in a closed plastic compartment with airtight terminals, whose shape is stepwise constricted for suppression of standing waves. The small midrange cone is a recognizable midrange specialist, beside the strong magnet everything is optimized for lightweight construction and fast impulse processing, even the speaker die cast basket is made from aluminum.

In other respects the above KEF and the Bryston Mini T speakers established themselves as antipodes: While during Mahler’s 8th Symphony (conducted by Michael Tilson Thomas) the KEF appeared to be optimized for softness, warmth, and spatial distance, the Bryston Mini T placed its emphasis on precise resolution, directness, and a perception of continuous energy.  To be able to follow musical details every second as well as to be able to discern every nuance and acoustic color change was certainly fascinating, but for cozily leaning back and for relaxing background music it is clearly less fitting than the KEF.

Consequently the ultraprecise accuracy of the Bryston Mini T also exposed many a technical production deficiency such as the compression in Metallica’s “Black Album.”  Those who choose the Bryston Mini T speakers will acquire ultimate, dynamic, and precise monitors.

An ultimate monitor speaker with the highest precision, resolution, and superlative dynamics.  Plays squeaky clean, neutral, and with a lusciously deep bass foundation, such as never having been heard from a passive compact speaker!

Malte Ruhnke

Translated from the German by Peter Ullman

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Sep 2015, 05:29 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Speaker Reviews


October,  2015

Hi Folks,

We have received many excellent reviews over the past while on our Bryston Speakers so please find below links to some of them.

Tone Audio
http://www.tonepublications.com/review/bryston-mini-t-loudspeaker/

Home Theater Review.com
http://hometheaterreview.com/bryston-mini-a-and-ac1-micro-speaker-system-reviewed/

CANADA HI-FI
http://canadahifi.com/bryston-model-a2-loudspeakers-review/

SECRETS OF HOME THEATER – Middle T
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/floor-standing-speakers/floor-standing-speakers-reviews/bryston-middle-t-floor-standing-speakers-review.html

FIVE STARS FOR PERFORMANCE – Middle T
“I’m just gonna cut to the chase and say that the Middle T sounded so good that I listened to it mostly just for pure pleasure… Brent Butterworth, Home Theatre Review.com
http://hometheaterreview.com/bryston-middle-t-floorstanding-speaker-reviewed/

“A reference in their class, the Mini T’s can be compared comfortably with speakers costing two or even three times their asking price. You have to hear these!
Jan Erik Nordoen, Le Magazine Son Image
http://www.bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2013_10_Review_SonandImage_Mini_T.pdf

“The Minis have what it takes to achieve great musical performance proficiency providing engaging overall sound — effortless, intimate, and musical and involving… the kind that captures the very spirit and soul… I have no hesitation recommending the Mini T’s.
Ernie Fischer, Innerearmag.com  http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/speakers/Bryston_Modet_mini-T.shtml

“The sound [of the Bryston Model T Signatures] was simply terrific: big, open, precise imaging, with tremendous dynamics, especially in the bass. The bass is said to be flat to 25Hz, and, based on what I heard, I don’t doubt it. Bryston has a winner here.”
Robert Deutsch, Stereophile show report
http://www.stereophile.com/content/brystons-model-t-speakers

“The Model T is a balls-to-the-wall, highly capable floorstander that offers tremendous levels of control, dynamic ability, and class-leading bass performance. Aron Garrecht, Soundstagenetwork.com  http://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/579
 
CANADA HI-FI – Middle T
http://canadahifi.com/bryston-middle-t-loudspeakers/

EVERYTHING AUDIO – Mini T
http://everythingaudionetwork.blogspot.ca/2014/12/speaker-review-bryston-mini-t-compact.html

ABSOLUTE SOUND – Mini T
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-mini-t-loudspeaker/

STEREOPHILE MAGAZINE – Middle T
http://www.stereophile.com/content/bryston-middle-t-loudspeaker

HOME THEATER and HIGH FIDELITY – Model A3
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/floor-standing-speakers/floor-standing-speakers-reviews/bryston-model-a3-floor-standing-speaker-review.html

SOUND AND VISION MAGAZINE – Surround System
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/bryston-mini-t-speaker-system

INNER EAR REPORT – Middle T
http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/short_sweet/Bryston_Middle_T.shtml

Blu-Ray Definition Magazine – Mini T
http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/hardware/bryston-mini-speakers-review.html

SOUNDSTAGE – GOOD SOUND – Mini T
http://www.soundstageaccess.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/526

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dallyd31 on 24 Sep 2015, 11:51 pm
I would say about 30 hours.

James

Just an FYI James, I have about 85 hours on the a middle T now and the bass is just starting to "come in". More present, tighter, quicker.  I was surprised at what seemed to happen to the bass right around 80 hours. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Sep 2015, 11:58 pm
Just an FYI James, I have about 85 hours on the a middle T now and the bass is just starting to "come in". More present, tighter, quicker.  I was surprised at what seemed to happen to the bass right around 80 hours.

Good to hear! - my 30 hours are dog hours. :lol:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dallyd31 on 25 Sep 2015, 12:35 am
Good to hear! - my 30 hours are dog hours. :lol:

james

I guess it could all be in my head but the bass seemed to change and get really nice around 80 hours
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Sep 2015, 09:47 pm
Hi Folks,

The OutRiggers are now available for the Bryston A3 speaker.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128621)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Oct 2015, 03:42 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: “Bryston Day in Calgary.”


Bryston Day in Calgary at Absolute Audio Video!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129076)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129077)


On Display:  ♬

Model T speakers with 14B SST2 amplifier and BP 26 Preamp, Bryston BDA-3 DAC with BDP-2 Player

Also on demo – Bryston Middle T, Mini T’s and Mini A speakers.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Oct 2015, 08:41 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: “Bryston Day at Audio Eden in Toronto.”


Hi James,

Not to be outdone by our Western friends our dealer Audio Eden in Toronto shows off as well this past weekend!  It was a terrific turn out!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129100)

Bryston Day in Toronto!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129101)

On Display:  ♬

Here's a pic of the set up: … BDP-2 Digital Player, BDA-2 DAC, BP-26 Preamp, 28B SST2 Amplifiers and Bryston Model T speakers in Rosewood

Steve Brothman
Ontario Sales Representative.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2015, 12:02 am
Thanks for posting the above James - The system  sounded absolutely wonderful.

The coolest part was that several of the customers had very high end systems with speakers costing upwards of 40K plus and were completely shocked and very impressed by the system especially of course the Model T's

So much fun, and such a joy to listen to!

Steve

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Rod_S on 5 Oct 2015, 11:54 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: “Bryston Day at Audio Eden in Toronto.”


Hi James,

Not to be outdone by our Western friends our dealer Audio Eden in Toronto shows off as well this past weekend!  It was a terrific turn out!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129100)

Bryston Day in Toronto!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129101)

On Display:  ♬

Here's a pic of the set up: … BDP-2 Digital Player, BDA-2 DAC, BP-26 Preamp, 28B SST2 Amplifiers and Bryston Model T speakers in Rosewood

Steve Brothman
Ontario Sales Representative.


I see something interesting at the back there, the speaker cable and power cord are Siltech, Royal Signature by the looks of it. Given the thickness of the power cord it must be Ruby Hill as the Mountains are very beefy. Can't tell the speaker cable. The reason why I bring this up and this always facinates me, if it's anthing other than the Prince (i.e. King, Emperor, etc.) the cable is worth more than the speakers if the lengths are 2m and above. I scratch my head every time I see cabling worth more than the gear they are connected to, well particularly in average lengths. I realize that longer lengths can get quite costly.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2015, 11:59 am
Hi

They tell me the speakers reveal all  :thumb:

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2015, 07:00 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Every day is ‘Bryston Day’ at Hi-Fi Centre.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129134)

Hi James,

Model T’s in our Bryston Room… The system sounds ‘Excellent’ !

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129135)

“Every day is Bryston Day at Hi-Fi Centre in Vancouver”

Igor Kivritsky,
Hi-fi Centre
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Rod_S on 5 Oct 2015, 08:03 pm
LOL Another example of the cables being worth more than the speakers.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Oct 2015, 04:45 pm
LOL Another example of the cables being worth more than the speakers.

Hi

I think it really points out the value of our speakers - aye  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Oct 2015, 10:49 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Mini A – Customer Feedback


Hi James,

I tried to send this last night but the computer gods apparently had other ideas.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129216)

It's eye-rolling time I suppose, since I have to confess to a small oversight! I guess I've been so fed up with the endless references to the necessity of burning in amplifiers, cables, speaker stands and presumably one's pants and house keys prior to putting any audio component into service that I just dismissed the entire concept and learned to ignore it. Even when discussing the idea in connection with speakers and reading a proper scientific dissertation on it, I never made the connection to my own speakers until I noticed a couple of days ago that they now seemed to sound just the way I wanted them to! At that moment the penny dropped and I felt a wee bit foolish, shall we say.

I found an actual objective review online which you probably have seen, namely http://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/speaker/bookshelf/bryston-mini-a-bookshelf-speakers-review/.  I don't claim any sort of brilliance because I was simply seeking the spectral balance I'm accustomed to from the Sony MDR-7506 and Stax Lambda SR-407.

So in the end, these Bryston Mini A speakers sound astonishingly clear, lifelike and pleasant. It's so exciting, I only wish I could describe the experience better.  Since sometime around 1984 when my Cam Pyper designed systems with the tiny Jordan drivers breathed their last, I've had supposedly good speakers that I found useful only for background listening or TV. Enjoying music required sitting down with the Koss ESP 9Bs until I lent them to the late Antonin Kubalek for a decade or two. He returned them near the end of his life in dire need of repair, but I didn't mind, patient soul that I am. ;) After all this time, as much as I still want Audezes, it's truly thrilling to enjoy music at long last without being tethered by a cord.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129217)

I have recurring fantasies about tri-amping these but that's not something I'd undertake lightly since I know a bit about passive crossovers and the things they sometimes incorporate along with the expected filters. BTW, Chris tells me that you use only high quality film caps and last I heard, using electrolytics in passive crossovers was quite standard so you may want to consider letting people know about this further example of  Bryston refusing to compromise. The distortion from those electrolytics is similar to a rubbing voice coil, as I discovered by having a separate woofer enclosure so that the higher frequencies were not masking the fuzzy noises emanating from the bass drivers. Replacing with plastic caps made that distortion disappear, a lesson not easily forgotten.

I often feel that great music, made with love, passion and dedication deserves gratitude beyond simply buying the end result, as a bit of money is small compensation for the gift of happiness to be enjoyed for many years to come. At smaller venues, I was able to tell guys like Richard Thompson that I enjoy their music a great deal and it was a satisfying gesture. Using your products gives me the same feeling of being the recipient of something special that merits thanks beyond just handing over the money. (I do get a bit emotional, I confess.) :-)

I could ride this tangent until it becomes a book so I should just stop now and write the book later. In any case, thank you for caring so much about doing things right. We need a few beacons of hope in these troubled times.

I've been listening to the wonderful Dory Previn Live at Carnegie Hall while writing this. Just for the record. ;)

Regards,
Jozsef
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 7 Oct 2015, 02:34 pm
The Mini A's are a terrific speaker and a great value..... they are so good looking too with the grilles off!  :bowdown:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 9 Oct 2015, 07:02 am
HI James,


Excuse my crosspost, but what would you think of a MiniTC(connected) like the Yamaha below?


Maybe http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/666-yamaha-nx-n500-network-powered-speaker-review/ (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/666-yamaha-nx-n500-network-powered-speaker-review/) could be an inspiration for a Bryston implementation.

Cheeers,
Marius
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Oct 2015, 09:59 am
HI James,


Excuse my crosspost, but what would you think of a MiniTC(connected) like the Yamaha below?


Maybe http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/666-yamaha-nx-n500-network-powered-speaker-review/ (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/666-yamaha-nx-n500-network-powered-speaker-review/) could be an inspiration for a Bryston implementation.

Cheeers,
Marius


Hi Marius

Odd you should ask as we have a number of studios now using our Mini T as Mid-Fields and we are looking at adding an internal power amplifier for just that reason.  I have built a few custom Mini T's with bolt on attachment for the Bryston PowerPac amplifiers as well for a studio.

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 9 Oct 2015, 10:51 am
That sounds wonderful James.
Are you looking at adding the connectivity also? That seems to make these Yamaha's stand out really, especially this complete and wel specified.


I think the critique on the Yamaha's transparency described in the review could well be mitigated by Bryston, thus making it the ideal package. Hope you'll consider building it.


Marius




 

Hi Marius

Odd you should ask as we have a number of studios now using our Mini T as Mid-Fields and we are looking at adding an internal power amplifier for just that reason.  I have built a few custom Mini T's with bolt on attachment for the Bryston PowerPac amplifiers as well for a studio.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Oct 2015, 03:45 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Day at Audio Ark in Edmonton


October, 2015

HI James,

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129330)

One of our Bryston Demos – Picture below:
 
•   7B Mono Amplifiers
•   BP26 Preamp
•   BDA2 DAC
•   BDP2 Digital Player
•   BOT1 CD Player/Ripper
•   Model T speakers


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129329)

It sounded great !

Also some feedback for you from the event.

The Bryston Mini T's seem to be the bell of the ball and the new tweeters are just what the doctor ordered across the entire speaker range! 

Also, a big thank you to Mr. Dayton for his knowledge and patience.

Regards,
Mike Harlow
Audio Ark
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 95Dyna on 9 Oct 2015, 03:51 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Day at Audio Ark in Edmonton


.

The Bryston Mini T's seem to be the bell of the ball and the new tweeters are just what the doctor ordered across the entire speaker range! 

Also, a big thank you to Mr. Dayton for his knowledge and patience.

Regards,
Mike Harlow
Audio Ark


New tweeters?  Is this the second round of upgraded tweeters or did the Mini T's not receive the first round?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Oct 2015, 03:53 pm
New tweeters? 

Nope - new to them.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Oct 2015, 10:12 am
From: Mike Harlow
Date: October 15, 2015 at 6:38:57 PM CDT
To: James Tanner <jamestanner@bryston.com>
Subject: RE: Bryston Mini A Speakers

Hey James,

Just sold a pair of Bryston "Mini A" bookshelves and along with the customer had the thrill of discovering an (unfortunately all to uncommon in this day and age) gem of a speaker!

Great job guys!!!

Mike Harlow
Audio Ark
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 17 Oct 2015, 04:48 pm
Let me preface this by saying we live in world where customer service (IMHO) in most industries has gone to the proverbial "hell in a hand-basket".  I'm happy to tell you that my experience with Bryston this year has been nothing short of fantastic.  You all know the amount of time James Tanner spends on multiple websites answering questions and educating us on his products, both current and yet to be released.

So here is my amazing Bryston experience:

I purchased a pair of Bryston Model T's in custom Santos Rosewood from an authorized dealer in June. As always, a perfect transaction with Ivan, and the wait began (custom veneers are built as ordered).  Several weeks later I was excited when the truck showed up at my house with a pallet full of boxes (Model T's and Center Channel).

My friend Joey V came over and helped me set up the Model T's.  We added outriggers and Stillpoints SS Ultras to the base and the inspection began.  My excitement after all the waiting was so high that I just wanted to listen.  At that point Joey gave me an interesting look and said something to the effect of "how critical are you and what do you want to hear from me" as he was looking at the fit and finish.  Well, without going into a lot of detail, at closer inspection we found several flaws in this pair of speakers and my initial excitement quickly turned to a mild depression. Thankfully they sounded wonderful and met my expectations in that regard based on reviews and endorsements here and on other forums.

I know I'm not alone in not being able to live with a new, custom ordered component that has obvious flaws, so I took a few pictures and sent them off to My dealer and to James Tanner for their opinion.  My dealer was quick to say that something is not right here and you should definitely as for a replacement.  Well, before I even suggested that, James responded to my email saying "Steve, I will make this right for you. Keep the speakers while we source some more Rosewood veneer. I will ship you new speakers and you can ship the others back when it is convenient."  I saw light at the end of the tunnel, but certainly wasn't looking forward to asking Joey if he could come over and help me set up another pair of speakers and box up the old ones. For the record, he was more than willing to do so (thanks Joey - you are a rockstar).

Fast forward to last week.  I received a call/email from Gary Dayton, product specialist for Bryston.  Many of you met Gary at Ivan's Cape Event. He's a great guy and also had been assuring me that they'd take care of me...

So, I get an email from Gary. My replacement speakers are on the way to Dallas.  Bryston has paid for Gold Service to ensure they arrive on Friday (yesterday).  And then the AMAZING part (I know, finally).  Gary tells me that he and James will be at CEDIA in Dallas this week and would I like the two of them to come to my home one evening after the show and personally box up the old set and set up the new pair? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? The infamous James Tanner coming to my home to set up my Model T's? Hell Yes :banana:

So last night was a wonderful experience watching James and Gary do their work in my living room.  They stayed for a while and we chatted about speaker design, the history of Bryston, each of our experiences in the music industry, and on and on. 

And the new speakers?  They are beautiful and flawless!!  The finish is perfect, the veneer flawless, and all the hardware has been upgraded in this new model.  And it could be my imagination, but I believe this pair sounds better straight out of the boxes than my original pair!

I usually don't post long threads such as this, but when you get personal service from a company, they deserve to be recognized for that effort. Bryston went way above and beyond any experience I've had with audio, or any expensive purchase for that matter.  Any of you that are considering your first Bryston purchase should do so without hesitation. This is a great company.

And finally, a few pics from last night...And thanks for reading this far :D

James Tanner and Me:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129877)


James and Gary Dayton:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129878)


Now, back to listening to great sound and gazing at these beauties.  :beer:

Thank you James, Gary, and Joey for your help in this adventure.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Spyman on 17 Oct 2015, 05:44 pm
What a great story! Thanks for sharing this. Too bad the pictures didn't post.

Terry
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 17 Oct 2015, 05:47 pm
What a great story! Thanks for sharing this. Too bad the pictures didn't post.

Terry

Let me work on the pictures. That site must be private! Thanks for letting me know because they display for me.

Done! Let me know if that works  :green:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Spyman on 17 Oct 2015, 06:10 pm
That worked fine. Nice pics.

Terry
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: srb on 17 Oct 2015, 07:30 pm
I'm happy to tell you that my experience with Bryston this year has been nothing short of fantastic.

Yours is one of many excellent customer service stories regarding Bryston.

What I'm curious about is that if Ivan (dealer) and James and Gary (Bryston) all had no hesitation in agreeing with your assessment on the flaws, how is it that they got past quality control inspection?  One would assume that at least three pairs of eyeballs were on them from veneering to finishing to packing.  Are the custom orders drop shipped from Axiom without any Bryston inspection?

Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 17 Oct 2015, 07:53 pm

...cool story! thanks for sharing and nice to read about it. you are a lucky guy, Scirica :thumb:

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 17 Oct 2015, 07:55 pm
I'll let James chime in with details, but they are boxed up in the Axiom factory after Axiom does a QA. This pair obviously slipped through the cracks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 17 Oct 2015, 09:37 pm
Yours is one of many excellent customer service stories regarding Bryston.

What I'm curious about is that if Ivan (dealer) and James and Gary (Bryston) all had no hesitation in agreeing with your assessment on the flaws, how is it that they got past quality control inspection?  One would assume that at least three pairs of eyeballs were on them from veneering to finishing to packing.  Are the custom orders drop shipped from Axiom without any Bryston inspection?

Steve

+1 ... not a usual Bryston quality story :oops: :oops:, the exception Bryston service  is typical  :thumb:.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Rod_S on 17 Oct 2015, 10:02 pm
... how is it that they got past quality control inspection?  One would assume that at least three pairs of eyeballs were on them from veneering to finishing to packing.  Are the custom orders drop shipped from Axiom without any Bryston inspection?

Steve

Indeed, curious about this as well.

It's a great story and testament to Bryston's customer service.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 17 Oct 2015, 10:03 pm
Yours is one of many excellent customer service stories regarding Bryston.

What I'm curious about is that if Ivan (dealer) and James and Gary (Bryston) all had no hesitation in agreeing with your assessment on the flaws, how is it that they got past quality control inspection?  One would assume that at least three pairs of eyeballs were on them from veneering to finishing to packing.  Are the custom orders drop shipped from Axiom without any Bryston inspection?

Steve

I can envision the speakers were in production on a Friday just before a long weekend, so everything was rushed. Five o'clock buzzer sounded and the employees couldn't get out of the parking lot fast enough. :lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Rod_S on 17 Oct 2015, 10:04 pm
I'll let James chime in with details, but they are boxed up in the Axiom factory after Axiom does a QA. This pair obviously slipped through the cracks.

If that's the case Axiom needs a stern talking to.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Ron D on 17 Oct 2015, 10:14 pm
QC issues happen. My issue was nowhere near as severe.

One of the threaded spike sleeves on my Middle Ts didn't work well at all. Tried all 8 spikes and not one would go in easily. The remaining 7 threads were just fine. I couldn't envision repacking the speaker up and arranging for (even if I didn't have to pay for it) transfer back to Axiom and then wait for its or a replacement returned to me.

A pair of vice grips solved the problem.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 18 Oct 2015, 03:39 pm
Also, this could all be psychacoustics, but I truly believe this set of Model T's sound better than the retuned pair. Maybe that's just because they were touched by the Hand of Go...errr, James Tanner!  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 19 Oct 2015, 01:55 pm
QC issues happen. My issue was nowhere near as severe.

One of the threaded spike sleeves on my Middle Ts didn't work well at all. Tried all 8 spikes and not one would go in easily. The remaining 7 threads were just fine. I couldn't envision repacking the speaker up and arranging for (even if I didn't have to pay for it) transfer back to Axiom and then wait for its or a replacement returned to me.

A pair of vice grips solved the problem.
 

same with my Mini T's..a little wd-40 did the trick
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Johnny2Bad on 20 Oct 2015, 09:09 pm
I'll let James chime in with details, but they are boxed up in the Axiom factory after Axiom does a QA. This pair obviously slipped through the cracks.

I've seen it before, where especially with loudspeakers they pass final inspection, then are boxed for the warehouse or shipment to the customer.

The problem arises in the boxing; whether it's a change in humidity or temperature, or just one of those things, but the plastic wrap or other boxing components ... styrofoam, cardboard, etc. ... generate a problem when in contact with the speakers. They get shipped and don't reflect the pre-boxing condition upon unboxing.

It's important that the manufacturer is contacted, which is the case here, since the problem is usually easily addressed by a change in procedure, maybe as small as waiting an hour or two longer before factory packing.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mrhyfy on 20 Oct 2015, 09:16 pm
I've seen it before, where especially with loudspeakers they pass final inspection, then are boxed for the warehouse or shipment to the customer.

The problem arises in the boxing; whether it's a change in humidity or temperature, or just one of those things, but the plastic wrap or other boxing components ... styrofoam, cardboard, etc. ... generate a problem when in contact with the speakers. They get shipped and don't reflect the pre-boxing condition upon unboxing.

It's important that the manufacturer is contacted, which is the case here, since the problem is usually easily addressed by a change in procedure, maybe as small as waiting an hour or two longer before factory packing.


Do we know it was a packing/shipping issue??    I didn't read that.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Oct 2015, 10:36 pm

Do we know it was a packing/shipping issue??    I didn't read that.

Yes it was a finish issue where one speaker was very smooth to the touch and the other was rougher.  It looked OK but you could feel the difference with your hand.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 21 Oct 2015, 01:53 am
Yes it was a finish issue where one speaker was very smooth to the touch and the other was rougher.  It looked OK but you could feel the difference with your hand.

james

But James can attest that the new pair are beautiful!! He gave them the rub test as well as the ear test. What a treat to have hm in my home!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Oct 2015, 12:00 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston A3 Speaker Review in Malaysia


October 2015


Hi Folks,

Please see attached a PDF on a recent review we received from a magazine in Malaysia on the Bryston A3 Loudspeakers.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=130518)

FAVOURITE QUOTES:


1.   What stands out with these speakers is their ability to deliver detail with such balance and precision that the listener can not only hear everything, but feel everything being put out through the music. 


2.   These speakers convey an engaging performance that is dynamic yet subtle, and able to shift from quiet to busy without breaking a sweat.


3.   You will be impressed!”



I have a full PDF available if you wish the complete version – jamestanner@bryston.com

James Tanner
Bryston
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 26 Oct 2015, 01:45 pm
Congrats on another great review James!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Oct 2015, 02:38 pm
Congrats on another great review James!

Thanks - it appears that the speaker is making inroads world wide  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Nov 2015, 07:49 pm
Hi Folks,

Review on the Bryston Mini A speaker from Poland – (English Translation)

http://www.stereolifemagazine.com/reviews/item/1116-bryston-mini-a

James Tanner
Bryston Ltd.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 4 Nov 2015, 10:38 pm
interesting how I also found that the Mini A speakers were sensitive to cables. Nowhere near as expensive as the reviewer's but my Turntable was mediocre at best to excellent just by a change of audio art rca's to  audioquest diamondbacks. The audio arts are a much higher end cable but did not work at all with the Mini A's.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Nov 2015, 08:05 pm
Loving my system!

Model T's and 7B's

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=131224)

Shane
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Rod_S on 5 Nov 2015, 08:12 pm
Very nice James, super clean and tidy  :thumb:

What's all the other gear in the racks?

All these pics popping up lately of the 7's are killing me :) I wish me and my dealer could have come to an agreement on price
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Nov 2015, 10:03 am
Hey James

Hope you’re doing well. here’s a pic for ya!  After one year, my Mini T's are turning a nice rich color…and the sound keeps getting better!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=131430)

I’m batchin’ it for a few weeks.  it’s amazing what speaker placements come to mind when there’s nobody else around! The Mini T’s are facing the kitchen - cranking some Mark Knopfler (again!). have you heard the new “Tracker” album yet? very well recorded. the cymbols on “laughs and drinks and smokes” are sweet.

I’m loving my ALL Bryston setup James.  (well, except for an old Carver CD player I bought in Fredericton back in 1994.  Oh, and i hear you are working on a new CD player…exciting !

Hey, at the Vancouver audio show last summer, we chatted a little about Oscar Peterson. I am shamefully short of any Oscar recordings - what would you recommend as a few of his better recordings?

All the best,

Terry
Smithers, BC.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Starchild on 9 Nov 2015, 11:36 am
Hey James

Hope you’re doing well. here’s a pic for ya!  After one year, my Mini T's are turning a nice rich color…and the sound keeps getting better!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=131430)

I’m batchin’ it for a few weeks.  it’s amazing what speaker placements come to mind when there’s nobody else around! The Mini T’s are facing the kitchen - cranking some Mark Knopfler (again!). have you heard the new “Tracker” album yet? very well recorded. the cymbols on “laughs and drinks and smokes” are sweet.

I’m loving my ALL Bryston setup James.  (well, except for an old Carver CD player I bought in Fredericton back in 1994.  Oh, and i hear you are working on a new CD player…exciting !

Hey, at the Vancouver audio show last summer, we chatted a little about Oscar Peterson. I am shamefully short of any Oscar recordings - what would you recommend as a few of his better recordings?

All the best,

Terry
Smithers, BC.


Hi James,

So what Oscar Peterson records did you recommend to him?  The choices are near infinite.  Some ofd my favorites to name a few are:

Night Train Samples (http://www.allmusic.com/album/night-train-mw0000871247)
We Get Requests Samples (http://www.allmusic.com/album/we-get-requests-mw0000188540)
Very Tall - Samples (http://www.allmusic.com/album/very-tall-mw0000179189)
Louis Armstrong Meets Oscar Peterson - Samples (http://www.allmusic.com/album/louis-armstrong-meets-oscar-peterson-mw0000416528)
Count Basie Encounters Oscar Peterson - Samples (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=1036630&style=music)
Ain't But a Few of Us Left - Samples (http://www.allmusic.com/album/aint-but-a-few-of-us-left-mw0000649575)
The Very Tall Band: Live at the Blue Note - Samples (http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-very-tall-band-live-at-the-blue-note-mw0000004951)

I kind of got carried away but Oscar does that to you.  IMHO, these will make a nice Oscar Peterson foundation for him.

Mike
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Nov 2015, 11:43 am
I Agree - good selections.

We Get Requests was one I recommended as well  :thumb: - always play it at audio shows.



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Nov 2015, 01:24 pm
Hi Folks - Coming Soon - another terrific review on the Bryston A2 Speakers from:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=131457)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Nov 2015, 09:30 pm
Hi James,

Please see link on the speaker article.

http://canadahifi.com/how-bryston-got-into-the-loudspeaker-business-an-interview-with-james-tanner/

Thank you,

Suave Kajko | Westside Publishing Ltd.
Publisher | CANADA HiFi Magazine
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TJ-Sully on 10 Nov 2015, 02:37 am
Mike, thanks for the Oscar Peterson recommendations. I'm on it.
cheers, T.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 10 Nov 2015, 02:55 pm
downloaded FLAC of several of his albums myself..excellent!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: HsvHeelFan on 11 Nov 2015, 06:31 am
Another Oscar Peterson album that I highly recommend is:

Swinging Brass with the Oscar Peterson Trio

it's Oscar on piano,  Ed Thigpen on drums  and Ray Brown on bass with the Russ Garcia big band.

The big band adds an extra dimension.  It's more like Oscar in Count Basie mode. (Oscar's a much better pianist).

HsvHeelFan
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: BrysTony on 12 Nov 2015, 05:10 am
I have several Oscar Peterson albums.  One of my favorites is "Ben Webster meets Oscar Peterson."

Tony
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Nov 2015, 11:55 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Mini T Loudspeaker – Reviewer Comments


November 2015


Hi Folks – some very nice comments from reviewer Andre Marc regarding our Bryston Mini T loudspeaker.


Addicted to Best!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=131661)

James:

FYI, I have the Bryston Mini T.

It is one of the best speakers I have had in house at any price, period.

It is a three-way stand-mount that offers more resolution, balance, coherence, and better bass than I have experienced in this price range, and up to $5000.

Amazing speaker.

The Bryston Mini T speaker to me is almost ‘electrostatic like’ in its ‘seamlessness’.

Just a great speaker the Mini T!

Andre Marc,

AV Review,
Tone Publications
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 13 Nov 2015, 12:37 am
I Agree - good selections.

We Get Requests was one I recommended as well  :thumb: - always play it at audio shows.

Picked up 'We Get Requests' Oscar Peterson Trio, based on your recommendation. Also picked up 'The Dizzy Gillispie Big 7 at Montreux Jazz Festival 1975' digitally remastered in 1992.

Not really into Jazz but looking for something different for when the mood strikes.(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink008.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Nov 2015, 11:59 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Middle T Speaker 2015 Finalist


November 2015


Hi Folks

I am pleased to announce that the Bryston Middle T speaker was a finalist in Stereophile Magazine ‘Products of The Year Awards.’


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132092)

2015 Product of the Year Finalist

Bryston Middle T Speaker
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Nov 2015, 11:00 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Quebec Dealer Showcases Bryston Speakers


November 2015

Hi James,

“FRENCH Bryston in Canada”

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132110)

Here are some pictures in my auditorium # 2.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132111)

The Bryston Speakers are honored!

Kindest regards,
Jacques Dube
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Nov 2015, 11:36 am
Audio Ark has some nice things to say about the Bryston Mini A Speaker:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132308)

BRYSTON MINI A LOUDSPEAKER - AUDIO ARK

Posted on November 21st, 2015

Every once in a while a product comes along that completely defies expectation. The Bryston Mini A is that product!.. This modestly sized, three way stand mount loudspeaker is remarkable in its ability to disappear.

The bass weight is fantastic considering the low end duties are left to a 6 1/2″ woofer.

Coherence is another strong suit; close your eyes and you’d swear you were in front of a pair of Magnepans.

They are that good. At $1280.00/pair, they may be over looked by some and that would be a big mistake.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Nov 2015, 02:05 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston A2 Review


November 2015

Hi Folks,

Another terrific review on the Bryston A2 Loudspeaker.

The Definitive Word

“When you are contemplating new loudspeakers for your home system, an essential consideration is price versus performance.

With the Bryston Model A2s, you will get speakers that, with ears open and eyes closed, sound much bigger and much more expensive than they actually are.

Highly Recommended.”


Please click on link for full review:

http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/hardware/bryston-model-a2-speakers-review.html

James Tanner
Bryston, Ltd.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 24 Nov 2015, 03:36 am
Just sitting here listening to some vinyl and thinking how gorgeous my Rosewood Model T's are.

That's it...time to flip the lp over  :green:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Nov 2015, 09:53 am
Just sitting here listening to some vinyl and thinking how gorgeous my Rosewood Model T's are.

That's it...time to flip the lp over  :green:

ENJOY !!!

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: ellsworth on 24 Nov 2015, 04:41 pm
After living with and enjoying Maggies for a number of years (1.6 & 3.6), and then moving on to Model T's, I second this comment which is something I've often said to myself:

"Coherence is another strong suit; close your eyes and you’d swear you were in front of a pair of Magnepans. "

However, once you open your eyes you realize you can still see the other end of the room, which is something you don't get with Maggies.  :lol:

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: richter250 on 1 Dec 2015, 10:27 pm
Hi James, 
Just ordered a pair of Model Ts and TC-1 center channel to hook up in my brother's home theatre room.  I noticed in your pictures that you use the Model T subs with the Model Ts in one of your rooms.  Since the Model T is flat to 25hz, what do you use as a crossover point?  Or do you use the subs just for the LFE channel?   Thanks.

Ralph
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Dec 2015, 10:37 pm
Hi James, 
Just ordered a pair of Model Ts and TC-1 center channel to hook up in my brother's home theatre room.  I noticed in your pictures that you use the Model T subs with the Model Ts in one of your rooms.  Since the Model T is flat to 25hz, what do you use as a crossover point?  Or do you use the subs just for the LFE channel?   Thanks.

Ralph

Hi Ralph

Well thank you for ordering the speakers - wish my brother treated me that well !!!. 

Yes I use the subs strictly for the .1 channel in my surround setup and the Model T's on their own when listening in stereo.

james

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: richter250 on 1 Dec 2015, 10:48 pm
Perfect.  Just what I needed to know.  Ordered them in Boston Cherry from Audio Advisor yesterday.  Tim Hahn there was very helpful and knowledgeable for those of you who don't have a dealer nearby.  We both can't wait for them to arrive.   Thanks for your help.

Ralph
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Dec 2015, 12:15 am
Perfect.  Just what I needed to know.  Ordered them in Boston Cherry from Audio Advisor yesterday.  Tim Hahn there was very helpful and knowledgeable for those of you who don't have a dealer nearby.  We both can't wait for them to arrive.   Thanks for your help.

Ralph

Hers a shot of the Model T's in Boston Cherry for you Ralph.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132809)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 7 Dec 2015, 10:09 pm
HI James,


I'm having (had) difficulties on several speakers, not to mention my current and new ESL's (which i will be taking back to the manufacturer) on recordings by the Tallis Scholars. Not grand orchestral, not full scale Opera  or big rock recordings, but very intimate 8 voice a capella choir settings of renaissance music... Turned up to 13 o clock on the BP26, not a very loud recording.


That being said, the speakers tend to distort horrifically on passages where the 2 (!) sopranos tend to take focus, and apparently that is very tough on the speakers. Had it on quite a few recordings, but their last Taverner disc http://www.gimell.com/recording-missa-corona-spinea-and-dum-transisset-sabbatum-i---ii.aspx is very demonstrative.


At first i thought it might be the download (always buy Studio Masters, in this case the 24 bit 172khz) the BDP or the BDA1 that could handle it. Therefore I also ordered the CD. Though that does sound better quite a bit (still love my BCD1) than playing it on the BDP1, even there the passages are not very comfortable.


Long story short: would it be in anyway possible for you to test this recording on the Model T's to see how they fare. Would be a very big plus on the Bucketlist.... Finally here the Tallis Scholars live size in my auditorium, and not being afraid of to much power to damage the sound or the speakers...


Cheers,
Marius



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Dec 2015, 11:07 pm
HI James,


I'm having (had) difficulties on several speakers, not to mention my current and new ESL's (which i will be taking back to the manufacturer) on recordings by the Tallis Scholars. Not grand orchestral, not full scale Opera  or big rock recordings, but very intimate 8 voice a capella choir settings of renaissance music... Turned up to 13 o clock on the BP26, not a very loud recording.


That being said, the speakers tend to distort horrifically on passages where the 2 (!) sopranos tend to take focus, and apparently that is very tough on the speakers. Had it on quite a few recordings, but their last Taverner disc http://www.gimell.com/recording-missa-corona-spinea-and-dum-transisset-sabbatum-i---ii.aspx is very demonstrative.


At first i thought it might be the download (always buy Studio Masters, in this case the 24 bit 172khz) the BDP or the BDA1 that could handle it. Therefore I also ordered the CD. Though that does sound better quite a bit (still love my BCD1) than playing it on the BDP1, even there the passages are not very comfortable.


Long story short: would it be in anyway possible for you to test this recording on the Model T's to see how they fare. Would be a very big plus on the Bucketlist.... Finally here the Tallis Scholars live size in my auditorium, and not being afraid of to much power to damage the sound or the speakers...


Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius

Yes I have owned all the Quads over the years and I agree their abilities on micro dynamics are superb but macro dynamics are not their forte.

The Model T's will accept HUGE amounts of power without distortion.  Here is a graph that Soundstage did during a review of the Model T's in an anechoic chamber showing just that.   The bottom line is the frequency response at 90DB and that is usually the amplitude the magazines test speakers at.  If it looks good then then try at 95dB to see if there is any variance or breakup due to amplitude distortion. They told me with the model T they kept going all the way up to 110dB.  As you can see no change in the frequency response which is indicative of a speaker that can play at real world levels with very low distortion.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133142)

Ultimately  you have to move air at low distortion to approach real world dynamics - the Bryston speakers are designed to do just that.

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 8 Dec 2015, 10:29 am
HI James,


Thank you!
Im convinced the distortion at real world dynamics is handled perfectly by the Model T.


As I've tried to describe, I'm not convinced it is a dynamic issue perse I'm experiencing. It seems to be that human voice, especially in the higher frequencies, is causing the distortion. A bit like playing several high notes on a glockenspiel can turn your inner-ear bones to confusion and cause frequency interference. This is exactly what seems to happen to my ESL's.


Its is also apparent when listening to a Lied recital, where only one singer and a piano are playing. Wouldn't say the amount of dB' are enormous, but enough for the speakers to have difficulties when singing the forte passages.


'Funny' thing is the main complaint on ESL always is the bass bit, while the middle and upper frequency transparency is always hailed. Not so. No issues in the bass department (thanks to 10bsub and Rel). This solo forte-voice issue is a real pita, excuse le mot.


Maybe its has to do with Solo Voice not being drowned by a bigger sound background of a band or orchestra. No Loudness -war thing, no limiting being done. The sudden extremes of pure voice seem to be more difficult than 'big sound'.


100 dB Solo Voice is something else than 100dB Rockband/Opera?


Hence my original question....


Cheers,


Marius


 
Hi Marius

Yes I have owned all the Quads over the years and I agree their abilities on micro dynamics are superb but macro dynamics are not their forte.

The Model T's will accept HUGE amounts of power without distortion.  Here is a graph that Soundstage did during a review of the Model T's in an anechoic chamber showing just that.   The bottom line is the frequency response at 90DB and that is usually the amplitude the magazines test speakers at.  If it looks good then then try at 95dB to see if there is any variance or breakup due to amplitude distortion. They told me with the model T they kept going all the way up to 110dB.  As you can see no change in the frequency response which is indicative of a speaker that can play at real world levels with very low distortion.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133142)

Ultimately  you have to move air at low distortion to approach real world dynamics - the Bryston speakers are designed to do just that.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 8 Dec 2015, 02:17 pm
HI James,


I'm having (had) difficulties on several speakers, not to mention my current and new ESL's (which i will be taking back to the manufacturer) on recordings by the Tallis Scholars. Not grand orchestral, not full scale Opera  or big rock recordings, but very intimate 8 voice a capella choir settings of renaissance music... Turned up to 13 o clock on the BP26, not a very loud recording.


That being said, the speakers tend to distort horrifically on passages where the 2 (!) sopranos tend to take focus, and apparently that is very tough on the speakers. Had it on quite a few recordings, but their last Taverner disc http://www.gimell.com/recording-missa-corona-spinea-and-dum-transisset-sabbatum-i---ii.aspx is very demonstrative.


At first i thought it might be the download (always buy Studio Masters, in this case the 24 bit 172khz) the BDP or the BDA1 that could handle it. Therefore I also ordered the CD. Though that does sound better quite a bit (still love my BCD1) than playing it on the BDP1, even there the passages are not very comfortable.


Long story short: would it be in anyway possible for you to test this recording on the Model T's to see how they fare. Would be a very big plus on the Bucketlist.... Finally here the Tallis Scholars live size in my auditorium, and not being afraid of to much power to damage the sound or the speakers...


Cheers,
Marius

to me hi-Rez downloads sound a bit harsh and more "digital" I play them on my OPPO bdp103, then on to my BDA-1 via the optical input. CD's of the same recordings sound smoother. I also found using the analog outs of the OPPO directly to my Parasound JC2 sound better than the digital connection. So don't put too much into hi-rez downloads. Some sound good, others can be very disappointing. Too much digital isn't a good thing. I am not saying MP3 's are better. I am saying cd's and LP's are a better test for your speakers. I have the Mini T's and I can surely hear a big  difference on some downloads of favorites that I just don't like at all.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Dec 2015, 04:33 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini A Speaker Wins Best of 2015 !


December 2015

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133171)

Congratulations Bryston!

You’ve won a Home Theater Review ‘Best of 2015 Award’ for the Bryston Mini-A Loudspeaker.

Jerry Del Colliano
Editor

 
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133172)

Home Theater Review's “Best of 2015 Awards”

Last year's best-of list included the Bryston Middle T tower speaker, so we had high hopes for the Mini A bookshelf speaker. Happily, it didn't disappoint.

While Dennis Burger found its appearance to be a little pedestrian for the price, he still ranked the Mini A, paired with the AC1 Micro center channel, amongst his favorite bookshelf speaker systems.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133173)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Dec 2015, 04:58 pm
Hi Folks,

Working on some new packaging for the Bryston speakers: :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133219)

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 10 Dec 2015, 02:56 am
Don't think I could get those boxes down my stairs, good packaging though, coming from a courier driver.

 Back in the 90's I delivered some satellite stuff to Canada Post. The box was clearly labelled with fragile stickers on all sides and was about 60 lbs. I carefully unloaded the box from my van and handed it over to dock worker. It was too heavy for him and he just dropped it about 3 feet, I laughed, because I couldn't believe what I had just saw.

Do the speakers still come wrapped in Bryston speaker sack aka Bryston Burial Shroud? (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink022.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 10 Dec 2015, 04:48 am
Hey, just a thought, Mr. Tanner.  There's a business in Saskatoon, SBC Case that makes various road cases. Maybe you can have custom speaker cases made with handles and caster wheels that you can give to dealers to re-package speakers, then deliver to customer. The customer can than give you the cases back once unpacked.

I had some difficulty moving the boxes without handles, so I used straps but they didn't stay in place and the box almost slid all the way down the stairs. I didn't want to chance moving speakers without the boxes down stairs and risk cosmetic damage.

Those boxes above would only fit through a standard door sideways. And could be difficult to maneuver even with a dolly without an extra helping hand.  :smoke:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Dec 2015, 12:23 pm
Hey, just a thought, Mr. Tanner.  There's a business in Saskatoon, SBC Case that makes various road cases. Maybe you can have custom speaker cases made with handles and caster wheels that you can give to dealers to re-package speakers, then deliver to customer. The customer can than give you the cases back once unpacked.

I had some difficulty moving the boxes without handles, so I used straps but they didn't stay in place and the box almost slid all the way down the stairs. I didn't want to chance moving speakers without the boxes down stairs and risk cosmetic damage.

Those boxes above would only fit through a standard door sideways. And could be difficult to maneuver even with a dolly without an extra helping hand.  :smoke:

Hi Mag

Yes I have flight cases for all the speakers that I use at shows but they are very expensive and most customers do not need to repack but good idea for a dealer if shipping demos around.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 11 Dec 2015, 11:14 pm
Hey, just a thought, Mr. Tanner.  There's a business in Saskatoon, SBC Case that makes various road cases. Maybe you can have custom speaker cases made with handles and caster wheels that you can give to dealers to re-package speakers, then deliver to customer. The customer can than give you the cases back once unpacked.

I had some difficulty moving the boxes without handles, so I used straps but they didn't stay in place and the box almost slid all the way down the stairs. I didn't want to chance moving speakers without the boxes down stairs and risk cosmetic damage.

Those boxes above would only fit through a standard door sideways. And could be difficult to maneuver even with a dolly without an extra helping hand.  :smoke:

You need to do what I did. Have James and Gary come to your house to set them up!!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Dec 2015, 04:09 pm
Hi Folks,

I thought some may find this interesting.  It is a measurement made by a reviewer on our Model T Speakers in his room. :thumb:

To: 'James Tanner'

Subject: RE: Bryston Model T Signature Speaker

Hi James,

I really have not measured many speakers in my room. That said, from what I have done, The Model T have measured the best.

Please see the attached measurements using TrueRTA and a calibrated mic measured a bit above my listening position, on axis, at 13 feet from the speakers. Again, please keep in mind these were basically done out of curiosity, and by no means constitute a “professional” measurement.

 Cheers,

Left Speaker:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134122)

Right Speaker:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134123)


 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jan 2016, 05:26 pm
http://av2day.com/2015/11/bryston-a3-floorstanding-speakers/
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jan 2016, 10:04 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Model A1 – Professional Feedback


January 2016

Hello James.

I've been holding off sending in my review of my Model A1's as I've been trying just about every genre of music and sounds to put them threw their paces, if you will. Being a professional audio engineer I demand perfection from my gear.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=135056)


The Model A1's have performed wonderfully! They are being driven by a 4B and have been performing as well as they look. Pure jewellery! Bravo!!!

I have sent them sound sources that most people would never have occasion to and I must say that the Model A1's do what they do so well and with effortless perfection. I have yet to hear any sound source that needed any kind of "help" via EQ or otherwise.

I have shown them off to anyone who will listen. Everyone agrees that they are the best sounding and looking speakers that they've ever heard or seen.

I say; "Bragging rights? BRYSTON!"

Sincerely,
Kenneth B Veitch
Professional Audio/lighting Engineer
Casino Rama, Kingbridge Centre, Various Major Cruise lines.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jan 2016, 07:24 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Sneak Peak – Bryston Surround  System Review

Sneak Peak !


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=135385)

Doug Blackburn from Widescreen Review Magazine has done a very extensive review of a Bryston Surround System which will be published in their February 2016 addition.

Favourite Quotes:

The Bryston A2s don’t editorialize the sound in any way I can identify. They don’t sound fast/slow or bright/dark or etched/rounded. They just sound normal/natural and un-gimmicked. This is the kind of sound few people dream of, but most people should want the natural sound of loudspeakers like the A2s.

Bryston did exactly the right thing with the design of the AC-1 Mini. It’s the sort of center channel I would consider owning if my setup allowed for the fairly large size of the AC-1 Mini.

Music listening on the Bryston Mini A speakers was surprisingly satisfying. I easily got drawn in during several listening sessions that were supposed to be brief examinations. Each session turned into a few hours of listening to both new and old favorite tracks.

The quality of the Bryston Model A Sub’s bass is excellent overall. It’s as good as any subwoofer I’ve heard down to its limit.

Bryston has delivered the sort of loudspeakers you might expect from a well-respected electronic components manufacturer. Serious performers, no baloney design, no silly/snake-oil explanations about how the loudspeakers work, no outrageous claims. Just solid engineering, purposeful design, engineered for reliability and performance.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jan 2016, 10:06 pm
More great feedback on the Bryston A2 Speaker:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=135780)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=135781)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bud1451 on 24 Jan 2016, 12:15 am
Hello James

I've been searching for better pictures of the Model T in Walnut....doesn't seem to be many online.

Can you post a few pictures of the walnut...please
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Jan 2016, 01:15 am

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=135796)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bud1451 on 24 Jan 2016, 01:38 am
Nice......Thanks
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spotlightaudio on 24 Jan 2016, 05:43 pm
Hi,
Do the A series employ the same midrange drivers and tweeters as the Model T ?  :scratch:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Jan 2016, 05:58 pm
Hi,
Do the A series employ the same midrange drivers and tweeters as the Model T ?  :scratch:

Hi

Yes identical.

I wanted the choice between the Model T Series and the A Series to be one of Application not Performance differences.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spotlightaudio on 24 Jan 2016, 06:12 pm
Thanks,good to know. Have a great day!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: veloceleste on 24 Jan 2016, 06:30 pm
Hi,
At what frequency range is the port tuned on MiniI T's and how much attenuation does the port plug provide?
Thanks!
 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Feb 2016, 08:37 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T ON-WALL Speakers


February 2016

HI James

I ordered my four Bryston Model T On-Wall speakers in Walnut from Dave at Audio Emporium several months ago.  These were to replace a series of (EDIT) on wall speakers ranging from (EDIT) and later (EDIT).  I have been considering switching my B&W 802 fronts, HTM1 center and two Nautilus series subs with Bryston speakers but wanted to walk prior to running and decided to start with the surround speakers.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136404)

Upon opening the cartons I was pleased with the walnut finish and the solid look and feel of the quality construction.  Obviously comparing the Bryston On-Wall speakers to the (EDIT) line from (EDIT) is not a fair comparison.  The Bryston speakers are far superior in every aspect.  The comparison to the (EDIT) is a fair comparison, however I sold my (EDIT) for the same price I paid for the new Bryston speakers which is beyond amazing, and makes it very clear how good of value the Bryston On-Wall speakers are!

The mounting system for the Bryston speakers is genius!  The mounting system alone puts the Bryston speakers in a league beyond that of either of the (EDIT) speakers.  After making all the connections I appreciate the simplicity of the Bryston speakers, they are not too big and look very elegant, and they would be a fine addition to any theater room.

I decided to first listen to some music thru my BDP-2/SP3 combination.  I isolated just a pair of the new Bryston speakers just to be able to evaluate them. I was immediately pleased with how musical these small speakers are. A pair of these would make for a killer setup for my office!  I moved onto the real purpose for me and that was surrounds for my theater setup. 

I first put in a new Blu-Ray from Pat Metheny "The Unity Sessions".  The last track on the DVD "Medley" was amazing, I could not be more pleased.  They offered so much more than the (EDIT) speakers that I could not believe I had waited to make the switch. The Bryston speakers filled in the sound perfectly in the rear of my room.  After moving around the room to evaluate various listening positions, the new Bryston speakers continued to amaze me.

After having them in my room now for about a month I am very satisfied. They are everything I could have hoped for and in my opinion some of the best surround speakers I have heard.

The only complaint I have with my new Bryston T On-Wall speakers is they have me wondering, should I go all in?  Should I give up my much loved (EDIT) front setup for the Model T's?  It’s a tough decision to make, I really like what I have up front but the change on the rears has me wondering!

Wonderful speakers, wonderful value!

Joe Pichette

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Yitshak on 3 Feb 2016, 07:05 pm
I had a thought but I'm not able to
Verify it completely by my own so A quaestion to James:

If we add an active crossover like the one used in the model T.
Maybe two way designe between the Bryston  pre and the amp,
And it tune to the Mini T's exact low pass corssover point ...so we cancel one slop
Cossing power losses and cancel unwanted too high frequencies on the bass driver...and
Too Low frequencies on the mid driver and by so get an half active speaker which may turn
More resolute in the lower mid?? :scratch:
I guess one with both speakers model T signature and mini T can experiment
If it's worth looking further into :)

Of corse then we need two amps to drive the mini T's and a half signature  :lol:

Thanks

Itshak
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Feb 2016, 08:39 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136484)

Hi folks,

Just received a terrific and very in-depth review of a complete Bryston Speaker Surround system consisting of the A2 Tower, AC-1 Mini Center, Mini A Bookshelf, Model A Subwoofer.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136485)

Please note his comments regarding the use of the Model A2 Towers in a straight up Stereo system.

“I could easily live with the A2 as the front left and right anchors in a typical stereo system. This is the kind of sound people dream of.


I have the complete PDF if anyone wants a copy - jamestanner@bryston.com

P.S. - Its 5 pages

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Feb 2016, 01:51 pm
HI Folks,

My new Target Stands with the new Outriggers and Spiked feet on my A1-Mini Speakers:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136527)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136528)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Samurai7595 on 4 Feb 2016, 03:46 pm
HI Folks,

My new Target Stands with the new Outriggers and Spiked feet on my A1-Mini Speakers:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136527)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136528)

Very nice, must be real stable!   :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Feb 2016, 07:33 pm
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 2:24 PM
To: jamestanner@bryston.ca


Hi James,

After the last audio show in Montreal last year, I decided that it was time to change my speakers. I'm glad that I did, I did began with the Middle T and the TC mini 1. Wow a change it made with all the things that we listen with it.

In october I bought my last piece, wich is the mini T bookshelf, but didn't have time to built my own bracket wall to install them. But everything change this past week end, I hang them last saturday and did my new level noise adjustment. I pass an hour making fine tuning adjustment.

I have to tell you that I was so impress with the result, I'm immerse in sound, it is all around me, every details is absolute clear. For shure the amp are very qualifier for the task, I power the front with a 4BSST and the other 3 channel is with a 6BSST.

It's been a long time that I didn't really enjoy my sound system like that, everything sound great, music, movie, even mp3 wich is actually pretty crap music.

 All this to say that you have a very very happy customer and a long time customer addicted to your BRAND. Continue your good work.

Robert Caron

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Feb 2016, 10:07 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Custom Tops For Bryston Speakers


February 2016

Hi Folks

Just wanted to inform you that we now have ‘Custom Tops’ for the Bryston ‘Mini T’ and ‘Mini A’ bookshelf speakers. 

These new custom tops can be ordered as an ‘option’ with any of our ‘Target Speaker Stands.’

The Mini T top fits on the Target ‘MR Series’ stands.

The Mini T can be bolted directly to the top for more stability and better acoustic coupling or can rest free on rubber pads (supplied), small flat spikes (supplied) or Blu-Tack (not supplied).

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136639)




The Mini A top fits on all three Target ‘HR, HS and FS Series’ speaker stands.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136640)


The Mini A top plate can be rotated 180 degrees when assembling depending on which frontal appearance you want your stand to have.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Feb 2016, 02:41 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: CES 2016 Bryston Demo – Audio Beat Award !


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136808)

The Audio Beat 2016 Jimmy Awards

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136809)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136810)

The Bryston suite provided an opportunity to converse with one of the great men of high-end audio.

While a number of visitors milled about, Bryston’s vice-president and brain-trust, James Tanner, sat alone on a sofa rapt in music. I seized the opportunity to park myself next to him. James was in a cordial mood. Indeed, the smallest in the line of Tanner-sponsored loudspeakers rocked the house. The Mini-T is the Baby Huey of bookshelf speakers.

A three-way with 8" woofer, the Mini-T weighs in at 42 pounds. Shoving one onto a shelf could be a chore. James Tanner’s design brief was, first of all, to eliminate dynamic compression. Mission accomplished!

The Mini-T’s dynamic capability rivaled that of loudspeakers twice as large and ten times the price.

The second goal was to attain wide dispersion with a generous sweet spot. The Mini-T was not quite capable of three abreast imaging, but it was great for two. The Bryston electronics consisted of Bryston BDP2 digital player, BDA3 DAC, BP26 preamp and new 7B [Cubed] mono amplifier. Before the show, Mr. Tanner was on my list for a Lifetime Achievement Award, but based on the performance of the Mini-T, I see he’s not done yet.

For the Most Lifelike-Sounding Bookshelf Speaker, the Mini-T racks up a Jimmy Award.

Jim Saxon
Audio Beat Magazine.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Feb 2016, 04:56 pm
Hi Folks,

Sneak Peak:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137088)

The Bryston A2 speaker is making quite a name for itself  - just received a 'Stellar Sound Award' from Everything Audio.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137120)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137089)

My favourite comment:

Likes: great midrange
Dislikes: a speaker with no downside
Wow Factor: Bryston equals accuracy

Based on my testing, I am also awarding the Bryston A2 an Everything Audio Network Stellar Sound Award.

John Gatsky.


Full review will be online shortly.

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Feb 2016, 07:59 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Congratulations Peter on your GRAMMY WIN ! 


February, 2016

Peter Moore: From the Basement Tapes To Grammy Glory !

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137428)

L to R: Steve Berkowitz, Jan Haust, Peter J. Moore

The pairing of Peter Moore and Jan Haust -  two Canadian music historians - whistled Dixie Monday night after receiving a Grammy Award for Bob Dylan and The Band's legendary lost The Basement Tapes Complete: The Bootleg Series Vol. 11, cited for

“Historical Album of the Year.”

The duo shared the award with Americans Steve Berkowitz, Jeff Rosen and Mark Wilder.

Haust was credited as Producer, along with Berkowitz and Rosen, while Moore and Wilder were was credited as mastering engineers.


Peter mastered this recording using:

•   Bryston ‘Middle T’ speakers.

•   Bryston ‘4B-SST2’ amplifiers.


James Tanner,
V/P Bryston Ltd.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Feb 2016, 11:34 pm
James:

Here is link to article, and logo for award.

John Gatski

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137443)

http://everythingaudionetwork.blogspot.com/2016/02/audiophile-review-bryston-a2-three-way.html


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bud1451 on 21 Feb 2016, 06:35 pm
Hi James

What's the build time for the model T?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Feb 2016, 07:38 pm
Hi James

What's the build time for the model T?

Hi

Depending on finish about 2 weeks - but we are a number of pairs backordered so I would say give it 3-4 weeks.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bud1451 on 21 Feb 2016, 09:00 pm
Waiting patiently for my Walnut Model T :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Feb 2016, 09:10 pm
Waiting patiently for my Walnut Model T :thumb:

Hi bud

Sorry it has taken so long but walnut is a special finish - please bear with us.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bud1451 on 21 Feb 2016, 10:06 pm
Hi bud

Sorry it has taken so long but walnut is a special finish - please bear with us.

James

No problem....good things happen to those who wait. :D
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Feb 2016, 11:33 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston A2 Speaker – Reviewers Reference!



February 2016


James,

As an audio reviewer it's rare that I get so excited about speakers.

I hear a lot of mediocre and over-priced speaker models which don't offer anything I haven't heard (or seen) before.

I'm still amazed at how much sound the Bryston A2 loudspeakers offer for their price point.

"Giant Killer"; that's how I'd describe them.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137796)

I mean, I bought them based on the overall musicality of SQ that they create. And while I own speakers that have superior SQ in one area of the frequency spectrum, (i.e. my Quad ESL-63s have better midrange), the A2's cohesiveness is amazing. Their SQ has a seamless integration that punches WAY above their MSRP.

These last few months, I've been auditioning some obscenely expensive power cords (PCs) with prices in the $5K to $15K retail range. I've primarily been using the Bryston A2’s to judge how these PCs sound, because the A2s tell me exactly what's going on across the ‘entire’ frequency spectrum.

I keep trying to dethrone the Bryston A2 speakers with other speakers, but nothing under the $7K to $8K retail price point that I’ve yet heard can do what the A2s do.

Which is why I bought them!


Cheers,
Douglas Seth Brown
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Feb 2016, 08:29 pm
Getting ready for final finish !


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137811)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bud1451 on 22 Feb 2016, 08:47 pm
Is that walnut I see at the back?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Feb 2016, 08:48 pm
No that's Rosewood - the 2 pair of Walnut are on the right. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bud1451 on 22 Feb 2016, 09:00 pm
Excellent...it wont be long now!!! :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bud1451 on 22 Feb 2016, 11:21 pm
No that's Rosewood - the 2 pair of Walnut are on the right. :thumb:

james

I see now, once I'm home...my work laptop isn't the best for pictures :duh:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bud1451 on 26 Feb 2016, 12:55 pm
James,

How are those beautiful Walnut Model Ts coming along?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Feb 2016, 01:09 pm
James,

How are those beautiful Walnut Model Ts coming along?

I believe they are being shipped today.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: duffy1212 on 26 Feb 2016, 08:36 pm
Hi James,
Any chance that the black Mini T's shown in the finishing booth are headed to Audio Advisor in Grand Rapids?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Feb 2016, 09:53 am
Hi James,
Any chance that the black Mini T's shown in the finishing booth are headed to Audio Advisor in Grand Rapids?

Hi

I know we got some Mini T's in - I can check on Monday for you.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Feb 2016, 04:07 pm
Hi Folks,

My Mini T's on my new MR Target stands with custom Mini T tops and with Outriggers and nickel Spikes  :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138087)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138088)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138089)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Feb 2016, 04:37 pm
Hi James,
Any chance that the black Mini T's shown in the finishing booth are headed to Audio Advisor in Grand Rapids?

Hi

Checked and due to ship March 18th.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: duffy1212 on 29 Feb 2016, 05:51 pm
Thank You James!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Mar 2016, 11:39 am
Hi Folks,

Another great review on the Bryston A2 speakers by a listening panel.

MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston A2 Speaker Review

March 2016

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138315)

“The temptation is to look at their size and their beautifully understated finish, and expect the Bryston Model A2 to represent a high point in the art of speaker making.

They do have a lot to offer, especially detail, timing and impact. They can sound really exciting. That might make them well suited to rock music, but they also produced an orchestral image and depth that surprised me. I wouldn’t have thought you could do that with three pairs of drivers a side.”

Toby Earp


“If you’re looking for lightning-fast speaker response, rock-solid impact and crystal clear lyrics, you’ll find them all with this pair. If you also insist on precise imaging and more than decent depth, you’ll find it all here too.”

Albert Simon


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138317)

“When money is scarce, I generally prefer small speakers to large ones. But small speakers have their own problems, and in a large room you may need to turn to full-sized speakers.

The speakers look terrific, and they mostly sound no less terrific.”

Gerard Rejskind
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Mar 2016, 02:14 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston A3 Speaker – Distributor Comments


March 2016

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138319)

Hi James,
 
Three (3) wonderful products arrived at PMC from Bryston recently.
 
We’ve just run up the Bryston A3 speakers and we’re really excited. They sound great and they offer a lot of performance for the money.
 
The Cubed amps are amazing. So much smoother, greater depth and height information. It all sounds so much more “real” A big thank you to whoever came up with this improvement. We are measuring substantially lower THD at high frequencies (always a good sign) and the common mode rejection of the balanced inputs is almost 20dB better……incredible results!
 
The BDA-3 blows the BDA-2 out of the game. So much more detail, smoother and well-judged overall balance.
 
Thank you,
Peter Thomas
Managing Director
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: pmcd on 3 Mar 2016, 06:00 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston A3 Speaker – Distributor Comments


March 2016

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138319)

Hi James,
 
Three (3) wonderful products arrived at PMC from Bryston recently.
 
We’ve just run up the Bryston A3 speakers and we’re really excited. They sound great and they offer a lot of performance for the money.
 
The Cubed amps are amazing. So much smoother, greater depth and height information. It all sounds so much more “real” A big thank you to whoever came up with this improvement. We are measuring substantially lower THD at high frequencies (always a good sign) and the common mode rejection of the balanced inputs is almost 20dB better……incredible results!
 
The BDA-3 blows the BDA-2 out of the game. So much more detail, smoother and well-judged overall balance.
 
Thank you,
Peter Thomas
Managing Director


Wow the BDA3 must really be something as I'm not% Bryston      BP26,MPS2,BDA1,7BSST2,BIT20 and B&W802D's and have a pretty good ear and the BDA1 did'nt really do much for me but hearing that the 3 is such a game changer it my be something I should look to get to the next level that we are all striving for.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Mar 2016, 05:15 pm
Hi James,

It's being a while, about 5 months (close to 2000 hours) now since getting my model T Signatures. I would like to share my thoughts on how they sound against my (EDIT) on 2 channel music.

I have a very difficult room, in a basement. It's 16x16 foot with, a 7 foot 2" suspended ceiling. I have done major work on the room trying to make it more speaker friendly. It has major sound proofing, double dry wall with green glue in between, acoustic paneling, and bass traps in the corners. For my front end, I am using a high end Esoteric CD player, Esoteric preamp and Esoteric 2 channel amp. Over the past 6 years i have been lucky enough to own/test a variety of (edit) speakers. Certain (edit) speakers like the (edit) sounded great in my friends houses, but not so good in mine.

In My room, the (edit) are very detailed/transparent, providing a 3D soundstage on good recordings. They reveal all the good and bad in recordings. Unfortunately much of the not so good recordings become irritating on the (edit). Even average recordings would be ok for a limited listening time. But, good recordings were just outstanding. In my room the (edit) always sounded a bit too lean with not enough bass. The only way to get enough bass was to run a 10" sub with them. But I did not like how the sub sounded with the (eit). I have had a number of people over to try and figure out how to fix my bass problem. Everyone was at a loss. Even my dealer came over and could not believe what he was hearing. We finally narrowed it down to a a major floor bounce suck out in the 60-80 Hz range.  James you had explained this phenomenon in the Bryston loudspeaker thread on speakers with a single bass driver. I had also tried a number of high end cables/and mid range cables, to aid in taming them. My best taming the top end, came with using a pair of Manley Snapper tube amps. But, the Bass was still lacking.

I had heard the Model T Passive version when they first came out. I did like the bass/midrange, but thought the top end was lacking the detail I wanted. So I continued to look. A few years later and a few more (edit) models, I decided they weren't the speaker for my room. Knowing that Bryston had changed the tweeters, I decided to give the Model T Signatures a go this time. The outboard crossover would provide me with numerous cable tweaking opportunities, to each individual driver, plus the option to go fully active in the future.

I ran the speakers for up to 10-15 hours a day at different volume levels. I took about 120 hours before the bass started to loosen up. The high end seemed a bit congested up to about the 175 hour mark, and then slowly more detail began to emerge. The speakers started to sound good around the 250 hour mark.  The first thing I noticed was how much fuller (a bit too much) and warmer the model T sounded in my room. They seemed to fill the room completely. I finally had the bass I was lacking, but it was a bit loose. They still were not as detailed and transparent as my (edit). I invited over a friend who can hear grass grow, to get his opinion We found the cables that worked the best on the (edit) did not sound as good on the Model T's. To bring out more detail and transparency we turned off the up sampling on my esoteric CD player and changed the digital filter option. That made a big difference in the top end detail and openness, but the bass was still a bit loose. So i decided to experiment with speaker cable options. I ended up with running DH labs Q10 silver Sonic bi-wired in to the crossovers (bass and mid) with a q10 jumper from the mid to high, and then Q10 out of the crossover in each binding post on the speakers. This cable opened up the top end more, and also provided a touch more detail, without sounding bright. The bass also tightened up nicely.

What is my Decision?

The (edit) speakers are no doubt very detailed and transparent, but will show all the warts in music. I have heard these in a friend’s house with tube amps and they sounded really great. But in my room they were too bright and fatiguing. Also they use a transmission line bass that some people may not like.

The Model T Signature's (after my adjustments) are still not as detailed and transparent, but now come much closer to the (edit). They have a huge soundstage. They are still fuller and warmer but less so, in a good way, now that I changed the cable to the Q10.  There is also zero listening fatigue. I also find you can turn up the volume higher and they do not fall apart. The fullness seems to make average recordings sound better, and bad ones tolerant. I also found these speaker sound much better for surround sound duty (I also have the Model T Center) than my (edit) did. Oh, the bass, did I say I really like the bass on these I no longer even think of adding a sub.

As other people have said, these speakers provide very good bang for the buck. I am comparing them to speakers that cost almost 3 times as much. Are they as good – maybe no, but they sure get very close. In my case the room was the factor, and the Model T's just was a better fit for my listening ear. So, i ended up keeping the Model T's. 

Adol290

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Mar 2016, 06:57 pm
Hi Folks,

Two new systems in place in sound rooms 2 and 3.

Room 3 has my new white Model T Signatures getting ready to test our new dedicated digital electronic crossover and room 2 has my new pair of Bryston 7B Cubed amps ready to rock and roll. :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138912)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138913)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138914)

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 12 Mar 2016, 07:19 pm
May I suggest 'Riding on the Wind by JP' see if those trinkets stay on top of the speakers. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Diamond Dog on 12 Mar 2016, 10:04 pm
Hi James,

It's being a while, about 5 months (close to 2000 hours) now since getting my model T Signatures. I would like to share my thoughts on how they sound against my (EDIT) on 2 channel music.

I have a very difficult room, in a basement. It's 16x16 foot with, a 7 foot 2" suspended ceiling. I have done major work on the room trying to make it more speaker friendly. It has major sound proofing, double dry wall with green glue in between, acoustic paneling, and bass traps in the corners. For my front end, I am using a high end Esoteric CD player, Esoteric preamp and Esoteric 2 channel amp. Over the past 6 years i have been lucky enough to own/test a variety of (edit) speakers. Certain (edit) speakers like the (edit) sounded great in my friends houses, but not so good in mine.

In My room, the (edit) are very detailed/transparent, providing a 3D soundstage on good recordings. They reveal all the good and bad in recordings. Unfortunately much of the not so good recordings become irritating on the (edit). Even average recordings would be ok for a limited listening time. But, good recordings were just outstanding. In my room the (edit) always sounded a bit too lean with not enough bass. The only way to get enough bass was to run a 10" sub with them. But I did not like how the sub sounded with the (eit). I have had a number of people over to try and figure out how to fix my bass problem. Everyone was at a loss. Even my dealer came over and could not believe what he was hearing. We finally narrowed it down to a a major floor bounce suck out in the 60-80 Hz range.  James you had explained this phenomenon in the Bryston loudspeaker thread on speakers with a single bass driver. I had also tried a number of high end cables/and mid range cables, to aid in taming them. My best taming the top end, came with using a pair of Manley Snapper tube amps. But, the Bass was still lacking.

I had heard the Model T Passive version when they first came out. I did like the bass/midrange, but thought the top end was lacking the detail I wanted. So I continued to look. A few years later and a few more (edit) models, I decided they weren't the speaker for my room. Knowing that Bryston had changed the tweeters, I decided to give the Model T Signatures a go this time. The outboard crossover would provide me with numerous cable tweaking opportunities, to each individual driver, plus the option to go fully active in the future.

I ran the speakers for up to 10-15 hours a day at different volume levels. I took about 120 hours before the bass started to loosen up. The high end seemed a bit congested up to about the 175 hour mark, and then slowly more detail began to emerge. The speakers started to sound good around the 250 hour mark.  The first thing I noticed was how much fuller (a bit too much) and warmer the model T sounded in my room. They seemed to fill the room completely. I finally had the bass I was lacking, but it was a bit loose. They still were not as detailed and transparent as my (edit). I invited over a friend who can hear grass grow, to get his opinion We found the cables that worked the best on the (edit) did not sound as good on the Model T's. To bring out more detail and transparency we turned off the up sampling on my esoteric CD player and changed the digital filter option. That made a big difference in the top end detail and openness, but the bass was still a bit loose. So i decided to experiment with speaker cable options. I ended up with running DH labs Q10 silver Sonic bi-wired in to the crossovers (bass and mid) with a q10 jumper from the mid to high, and then Q10 out of the crossover in each binding post on the speakers. This cable opened up the top end more, and also provided a touch more detail, without sounding bright. The bass also tightened up nicely.

What is my Decision?

The (edit) speakers are no doubt very detailed and transparent, but will show all the warts in music. I have heard these in a friend’s house with tube amps and they sounded really great. But in my room they were too bright and fatiguing. Also they use a transmission line bass that some people may not like.

The Model T Signature's (after my adjustments) are still not as detailed and transparent, but now come much closer to the (edit). They have a huge soundstage. They are still fuller and warmer but less so, in a good way, now that I changed the cable to the Q10.  There is also zero listening fatigue. I also find you can turn up the volume higher and they do not fall apart. The fullness seems to make average recordings sound better, and bad ones tolerant. I also found these speaker sound much better for surround sound duty (I also have the Model T Center) than my (edit) did. Oh, the bass, did I say I really like the bass on these I no longer even think of adding a sub.

As other people have said, these speakers provide very good bang for the buck. I am comparing them to speakers that cost almost 3 times as much. Are they as good – maybe no, but they sure get very close. In my case the room was the factor, and the Model T's just was a better fit for my listening ear. So, i ended up keeping the Model T's. 

Adol290


Adol290 :  Good to (edit) that you're (edit) with your new (edit ). Great to finally be able to just plunk yourself down on your (edit) and enjoy some (edit) without worrying about all the pain in the (edit) sound issues you've been dealing with. Nobody needs that ( edit ) (edit ).

So to sum up, ( edit ) (edit) (edit), PMC (edit ).  :green:

D.D.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dallyd31 on 26 Mar 2016, 01:23 am
Hey James

I was looking at the tweeters on my middle T's.  I noticed there is a removable metal screen.  When I remove this there is a small clear plastic disc in the inside of it.  Is that suppose to be there ?  And if so, is it for dispersion ? 
Also, it's generally regarded that speakers sound best with the grills removed.  Does this apply as well for the metal screens over the tweeters ?

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Mar 2016, 01:43 am
Hey James

I was looking at the tweeters on my middle T's.  I noticed there is a removable metal screen.  When I remove this there is a small clear plastic disc in the inside of it.  Is that suppose to be there ?  And if so, is it for dispersion ? 
Also, it's generally regarded that speakers sound best with the grills removed.  Does this apply as well for the metal screens over the tweeters ?

HI

Yes the plastic disc is important as well as the screen. It greatly improves the off axis dispersion of the tweeter.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 28 Mar 2016, 01:23 pm
James,

Do you have any idea when the active crossover will be available for the Model T Signatures.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Mar 2016, 01:49 pm
James,

Do you have any idea when the active crossover will be available for the Model T Signatures.

HI

We are working on the final circuits now - I hope to have a prototype in a month.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Apr 2016, 10:36 am
Hi James,
 
A review of the Mini A, just posted in Malaysia…
 
http://av2day.com/2016/04/bryston-mini-a-loudspeakers/
 
Best regards,
Low
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 12 Apr 2016, 03:09 pm
James,
Could you comment on the difference in audible performance of the Model T vs the Model T Signature (w/outboard crossover)?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Apr 2016, 03:24 pm
James,
Could you comment on the difference in audible performance of the Model T vs the Model T Signature (w/outboard crossover)?

HI

They sound almost identical other than the Signature version can handle more power with less distortion but under normal listening levels generally would not be a problem for most listeners. 

The advantage of the Signature version besides power handling is any crossover upgrade in the future is easily accomplish due to the Signature having a separate External crossover.  Also if you decide to go with an 'Active' version of the speaker later you simply replace the Sig passive crossover with the Active crossover.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 12 Apr 2016, 04:21 pm
Thanks James,

From my limited audio engineering knowledge (next to nothing) ........... the Model T Sig and the Standard should sound similar under normal playing conditions, but the addition of the new active digital crossover should make a meaningful audible difference.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Apr 2016, 04:27 pm
Thanks James,

From my limited audio engineering knowledge (next to nothing) ........... the Model T Sig and the Standard should sound similar under normal playing conditions, but the addition of the new active digital crossover should make a meaningful audible difference.

Active has many advantages over passive systems.  I have my Model T's hooked up now at home with the active crossover and the control and resolution is another step forward in performance.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 13 Apr 2016, 06:05 am
HI James,


really liking the way this is going, it is also the reason for my holding back, and deciding buying the model t's should wait till you completely finished designing the full system.
Still, couldn't be more interested in where this is going, please keep us fully informed.

May i ask: Since your setup is most flexible, and you try to cater for
upgrading parts in the future with the signature series( active vs passive, external crossover, digital crossover etc etc) wouldn't it be possible to make just one crossover, and supply a switch on it to select either active or passive? Of course i have no idea of the technical consequences/demands, but it would certainly make it easier for the customer to decide and buy. One wouldn't have to try to resell their passive crossover, (and experience a serious disinvestment)and only add amps if one later decides to go the active route.

Would you care to elaborate a bit on the possibilities of the digital crossover vs analog crossover? would we still need a 10bsub for use with an external sub, or do the new crossovers, analog and digital, have the same possibilities as the 10bsub?

Cheers,
Marius


Active has many advantages over passive systems.  I have my Model T's hooked up now at home with the active crossover and the control and resolution is another step forward in performance.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Apr 2016, 10:01 am
HI James,


really liking the way this is going, it is also the reason for my holding back, and deciding buying the model t's should wait till you completely finished designing the full system.
Still, couldn't be more interested in where this is going, please keep us fully informed.

May i ask: Since your setup is most flexible, and you try to cater for
upgrading parts in the future with the signature series( active vs passive, external crossover, digital crossover etc etc) wouldn't it be possible to make just one crossover, and supply a switch on it to select either active or passive? Of course i have no idea of the technical consequences/demands, but it would certainly make it easier for the customer to decide and buy. One wouldn't have to try to resell their passive crossover, (and experience a serious disinvestment)and only add amps if one later decides to go the active route.

Would you care to elaborate a bit on the possibilities of the digital crossover vs analog crossover? would we still need a 10bsub for use with an external sub, or do the new crossovers, analog and digital, have the same possibilities as the 10bsub?

Cheers,
Marius



Hi Marius

I did look at some way of being able to implement an internal passive crossover that could be switched out but that was just too complicated and added a lot of extra expense for those that would have no desire to go to an Active setup. So the best option was the Signature version with the ability to upgrade later.

The digital crossover is really excellent - it allows me to really fine tune the frequency response and the sound power interdependently from one another whereas with a passive crossover you have to balance the two together  in one operation.  I have decided to go with the Digital crossover over the Analog in this case because it gives me much more control over every performance parameter of the speaker - frequency, sound power, phase, etc.

if you want to use a Sub with the Model T Active you would need some way of controlling that crossover point but most subs come with internal crossovers anyway so a 10B would not be needed.

james



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 13 Apr 2016, 10:09 am
Thanks James,
makes things a lot clearer.


I already use the 10bsub as you know. not so much as to control the crossoverpoint for the sub, but most importantly to set that point for my ESL's which can't be fed a lot of powerful (sub)bass, as Rel likes to call it.


Guess the Model T's wouldn't need that kind of treatment, given their ability to play full range on big Spl's :thumb:

looking forward to the unveiling of the BD-X then!


Cheers,


Marius

Hi Marius

I did look at some way of being able to implement an internal passive crossover that could be switched out but that was just too complicated and added a lot of extra expense for those that would have no desire to go to an Active setup. So the best option was the Signature version with the ability to upgrade later.

The digital crossover is really excellent - it allows me to really fine tune the frequency response and the sound power interdependently from one another whereas with a passive crossover you have to balance the two together  in one operation.  I have decided to go with the Digital crossover over the Analog in this case because it gives me much more control over every performance parameter of the speaker - frequency, sound power, phase, etc.

if you want to use a Sub with the Model T Active you would need some way of controlling that crossover point but most subs come with internal crossovers anyway so a 10B would not be needed.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Apr 2016, 10:10 am
Thanks James,
makes things a lot clearer.


I already use the 10bsub as you know. not so much as to control the crossoverpoint for the sub, but most importantly to set that point for my ESL's which can't be fed a lot of powerful (sub)bass, as Rel likes to call it.


Guess the Model T's wouldn't need that kind of treatment, given their ability to play full range on big Spl's :thumb:

looking forward to the unveiling of the BDX then![size=78%]

[/size]Cheers,[size=78%]
[/size]Marius

Yes the Model T can do 25Hz so Subs typically are not required unless maybe in a theater setup as a point 1 channel.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: The Rang on 16 Apr 2016, 10:54 pm
Finally listened to Bryston speakers today, the Mini T.
I think I might have to buy me a set.
Like them better than the Audio Physic Classics 20s on heavy discount that I was seriously considering.
The Mini T sounds more cohesive, the mids are strangley disjointed on the AP and it really bugged me.
No such problem with the Bryston.
The Brystons aren't anywhere near as pretty but it's the sound that counts.
If I buy I'll get the MR50 (20") stands to go with them.
The stands are a great price, expected them to be much higher. Will probably get the custom top plates too, (even though they are a bit pricey).

One thing I'm not clear about, is Walnut considered a custom (ie extra cost) finish?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Apr 2016, 01:39 am
Finally listened to Bryston speakers today, the Mini T.
I think I might have to buy me a set.
Like them better than the Audio Physic Classics 20s on heavy discount that I was seriously considering.
The Mini T sounds more cohesive, the mids are strangley disjointed on the AP and it really bugged me.
No such problem with the Bryston.
The Brystons aren't anywhere near as pretty but it's the sound that counts.
If I buy I'll get the MR50 (20") stands to go with them.
The stands are a great price, expected them to be much higher. Will probably get the custom top plates too, (even though they are a bit pricey).

One thing I'm not clear about, is Walnut considered a custom (ie extra cost) finish?

Hi Rang

Glad you liked the speaker - in my opinion it is an exceptional performer and is a kickback to the old days of a true 3-way monitor.

Walnut is 10% more.

james

PS - where did you hear the speaker?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: The Rang on 17 Apr 2016, 02:47 am
10% more for Walnut is worth it IMO, the dealer (HiFi Centre in Vancouver) seemed to think the walnut was "about $1000 more" but that didn't seem right, hence my question.
Maybe he was thinking of the Middle or Model T's.
The standard finishes (Cherry, Boston Cherry etc.) are still real wood, correct?

The speaker is a kickback in many ways, sometimes I think a simple 3 way allows you stay out of design trouble. I kind of like the old school looks, they look like working speakers, nothing with fancy curves and trendy colors. Nice
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Apr 2016, 10:14 am
10% more for Walnut is worth it IMO, the dealer (HiFi Centre in Vancouver) seemed to think the walnut was "about $1000 more" but that didn't seem right, hence my question.
Maybe he was thinking of the Middle or Model T's.
The standard finishes (Cherry, Boston Cherry etc.) are still real wood, correct?

The speaker is a kickback in many ways, sometimes I think a simple 3 way allows you stay out of design trouble. I kind of like the old school looks, they look like working speakers, nothing with fancy curves and trendy colors. Nice

Hi Rang

Yes Walnut is 10% more on all models so maybe they were thinking of Rosewood?

Yes we have been accused of the 'old school look' but I like the fact that a speaker looks like a speaker and not a tuba.  :lol:  Also once you get to a specific performance point the rest is just jewelry (and that has its place) but I wanted the most performance bang for your buck in the Bryston speakers and not additional extraneous  costs that get added for cosmetic reasons.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: The Rang on 17 Apr 2016, 05:06 pm
"Audio jewelry"
Great term that perfectly descibes what I was getting at.
The "prettier" Audio Physics are painted Maranello Red and clad in glass.
Looks cool, but costs a lot extra and contributes zero to the sound.
(Still a very nice speaker mind you, not slagging them at all).
That's why I avoid amps with VU meters and various other features I'll never use.
Put the money where it counts  :thumb:

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Apr 2016, 11:48 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Speaker – Dealer Feedback


Subject: Unboxed Bryston Model T Speakers
 
James,

“My customer dropped by and allowed us to unpack his new Bryston Model T speakers.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=141501)

What a smile on his face when we hooked them up. He left with an unforgettable grin, excited to know they will sound even better when the 28B Cubes arrive. He left yesterday with the look that says he found what he is looking for (I feel proud that I really made a customer that happy). Having lived much of his music enjoying life listening to (EDIT) speakers, he now has the means to have audiophile sound and has discovered he can still have emotion fueling volume.

I do not recall having this much fun listening to a speaker since the (EDIT) over 20 years ago. WOW! WOW! WOW!  Incredible bass, open airy mids and highs and remaining uncongested into louder than usual volumes. It's delicate but powerful.

I am sitting typing this 60 feet away from the Model T's that are sitting in a different room and they continue to impress (no, amaze me) They take me to the concert like no other speaker I can remember.  Thank you for making me and my staff get excited about our music again. ALL the staff brought their favorite cd's to work this morning.

FOLLOW UP:

My God have you made a memorable product, at the end of the day yesterday after a long, stressful week we hung around the store for 2 hours listening to your Model T speakers. The interesting thing is that we can't quite put our finger on exactly why we absolutely love these speakers. It's the highs, they're extended but not screechy. No, it's the mids, vocals and instruments big and spacious, never sounding congested even when we're irresponsible with the volume. No, it's that insane bass, when have we heard the sound of amazing bass that would impress with speed metal and rap. We have zero hours in adjusting them yet and they sound incredible.

Good job sneaking up on us with your product, have a great rest of your weekend.”

Sincerely,
Brad Ferguson, Audio Concepts,
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Apr 2016, 04:49 pm
http://www.bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2015_09_Reviews_Son.pdf

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 May 2016, 01:00 pm
Hi Folks,

Middle T's on demo at our dealer in Calgary - check out their new store - I hear it is outstanding.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143301)


james


Absolute Audio Video Ltd.
6303 Bowness Rd. NW, Unit 100, Calgary, AB T3B 0E4
Ph: 403-202-7302 Email: info@absoluteaudio.ca
www.absoluteaudio.ca

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 29 May 2016, 01:01 pm
After living with the mini T's which are not so mini......and finding the right gear, all I can say is Bryston has done it yet again.
We love what we are hearing !
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 May 2016, 01:59 pm
After living the the mini T's which are not so mini......and finding the right gear, all I can say is Bryston has done it yet again.
We love what we are hearing !

Hi oldguy

I have missed you - I know you purchased the Bryston speakers very early on - glad you are enjoying them. :thumb:

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: pmcd on 29 May 2016, 02:58 pm
After living the the mini T's which are not so mini......and finding the right gear, all I can say is Bryston has done it yet again.
We love what we are hearing !

Hey old guy
 the 2 - 7BSST's i bought from you last year are remarkable, I picked up a new BP26 and MPS2 this combo along with your DAC and balanced cables are working out great.   
whats your system consist of now ? 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 29 May 2016, 03:45 pm
Hi oldguy

I have missed you - I know you purchased the Bryston speakers very early on - glad you are enjoying them. :thumb:

james

I have missed you too! :slap: Bryston ...the company with personality!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 29 May 2016, 03:48 pm
Hey old guy
 the 2 - 7BSST's i bought from you last year are remarkable, I picked up a new BP26 and MPS2 this combo along with your DAC and balanced cables are working out great.   
whats your system consist of now ?

Glad it's working out for you as well.It's very difficult to best Bryston ......! If that's possible!

I had to go with a passive pre amp .......Bryston cd player and the mini T's and the beasties ,the 28B's.
In all honesty it's audio heaven finally that fit's my needs,small space and all that.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 31 May 2016, 03:21 pm
It's been a year now since I purchased my "not so" mini T's. They are loving the Parasound A21 at 250 channel per I added and my recent acquisition of a VPI CLassic 2 Turntable is an awesome combo. It's hard to get my butt out of the house !!!..LOL
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 2 Jun 2016, 09:09 am
HI James,


Just to let you know i had a nice and extensive chat with Mafico the other day, and we've arranged an audition of the Middle T's! Excited about that.


No Model T's available at the moment in NL though. Seems a pity, because the lack of showroom models doesn't help in selling, which in its place doesn't help in getting them over here in showrooms... Buying these Beasts form a webpage and jumping in good faith without an audition on beforehand is kinda contra local customary behavior...


Anyway,
Looking forward to finally hearing some Bryston end to end music!


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Jun 2016, 10:17 am
HI James,


Just to let you know i had a nice and extensive chat with Mafico the other day, and we've arranged an audition of the Middle T's! Excited about that.


No Model T's available at the moment in NL though. Seems a pity, because the lack of showroom models doesn't help in selling, which in its place doesn't help in getting them over here in showrooms... Buying these Beasts form a webpage and jumping in good faith without an audition on beforehand is kinda contra local customary behavior...


Anyway,
Looking forward to finally hearing some Bryston end to end music!


Cheers,
Marius

Yes please let me know what you think of the Middles.  The Model T's and just more of the same and assume a larger space and more dynamic capability.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: servingko on 2 Jun 2016, 04:02 pm
I jumped in and bought the Middle T's without an audition and couldn't be happier.  I have a TC-1 Mini in the box that was purchased without auditioning as well.  I have been out of town but hope to get it hooked up this weekend!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 9 Jun 2016, 01:21 pm
Yes please let me know what you think of the Middles.  The Model T's and just more of the same and assume a larger space and more dynamic capability.

james


Cool, let the tournament begin:
 
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144577)
(sorry for the orientation, can't get it to rotate clockwise. Or any other direction for that matter.)

Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jun 2016, 01:48 pm

Cool, let the tournament begin:
 
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144577)
(sorry for the orientation, can't get it to rotate clockwise. Or any other direction for that matter.)

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius

Those are the Model T's not the Middles.

Anxious to hear what you have to say.  How large is your room?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 9 Jun 2016, 03:13 pm
Yep, i know ;-)
Mafico just delivered their show model.
My room is big enough, at least to accommodate pedal F0 straight. http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html


Pedal C0 is felt though, always begin listening to Simon Preston's grand rendering of the Bach's Toccata & Fugue in C.


Tough weekend ahead!
Let me please ask to be sure: do i have to take out the 10bsub completely, or can i just turn its high-pass filter all the way down, to let the Model T's get the full signal.


Cheers,
Marius




Hi Marius

Those are the Model T's not the Middles.

Anxious to hear what you have to say.  How large is your room?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jun 2016, 03:28 pm
Yep, i know ;-)
Mafico just delivered their show model.
My room is big enough, at least to accommodate pedal F0 straight. http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html


Pedal C0 is felt though, always begin listening to Simon Preston's grand rendering of the Bach's Toccata & Fugue in C.


Tough weekend ahead!
Let me please ask to be sure: do i have to take out the 10bsub completely, or can i just turn its high-pass filter all the way down, to let the Model T's get the full signal.


Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius

You would have to take it out as you can only turn it down to 40 Hz. Try it both ways and see what you think because you have probably set up the rooms bass response based on the sub in the system

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 9 Jun 2016, 06:20 pm
Thanks James, done.
Now how to control those oozing basses ;) 
btw, test tone 200-20hz makes a rather noisy sound at the back of the T's, out of the bass ports. A) should that happen, and b) is there a way to control that?


Cheers,
Marius


Hi Marius

You would have to take it out as you can only turn it down to 40 Hz. Try it both ways and see what you think because you have probably set up the rooms bass response based on the sub in the system

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jun 2016, 08:44 pm
Thanks James, done.
Now how to control those oozing basses ;) 
btw, test tone 200-20hz makes a rather noisy sound at the back of the T's, out of the bass ports. A) should that happen, and b) is there a way to control that?


Cheers,
Marius

You can stuff the ports with foam plugs we have but you will roll off the bass a little quicker.  You can use 1 plug or 2 or 3 per speaker and fine tune the bass output.  Thats why I asked about your room size as the Model T's are flat to 25Hz anechoic.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jun 2016, 09:14 pm
Marius

Here is a graph of what happens as you stuff each port.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144594)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 10 Jun 2016, 07:32 am
Thanks James,


I'll experiment with that later on. Ive only just started of course, but already noticed bass response is very recording dependent. Damping  might be an action taken too soon.


What has room size got to do with rear port venting?


Ive got the T's positioned about 1 meter from the back wall, that would be alright?


Cheers,
Marius


Marius

Here is a graph of what happens as you stuff each port.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144594)


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jun 2016, 10:24 am
Hi

Yes 3-4 feet from the back wall is ideal.

Ports create some noise depending on how hard you drive them so if you plug the ports you end up with an acoustuc suspension speaker which cancel the port noise but does not allow the speaker to go as low.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jun 2016, 04:26 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144635)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144636)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144637)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: The Rang on 11 Jun 2016, 04:08 am
That's the only thing holding me back from the Mini T's: the bass output.
Sounded great in one showroom in Vancouver, not so good at another dealer in the Seattle area.
Too much bass at the latter with two different amps in two different rooms.
My room won't allow me to place them 3 to 4 feet from the wall
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Yitshak on 11 Jun 2016, 07:17 am
That's the only thing holding me back from the Mini T's: the bass output.
Sounded great in one showroom in Vancouver, not so good at another dealer in the Seattle area.
Too much bass at the latter with two different amps in two different rooms.
My room won't allow me to place them 3 to 4 feet from the wall


the Mini T's' perform remarkable in acoustic suspension mode (sealed box ),
Actualy in one of my setups it turn lately that I prefer using it like so since my BDP-2  joined the setups and brought up dynamics via BNC output to the stratosphere.
someone post a thread regarding the subject of room overloads and
James show us the SPL graphs and assure us it perfectly safe to sealed Bryston speakers.
I tried to give it a real tryout,and nothing (like  going the 23db gain) better it so far in this room.

The problem is I always did the A/B sealed vs ported as probably like many other
and fall to the common bias trap : more is better and less is not enough.

Well,It's not really like so when one don't do A/B in direct trial. ( think a bout it audiophiles )

This way after few hours or day or I got to understand that in one of my setups
The "more" was actual too much and less turn out fine and brought more details,nuance and
Less fatigue overall better dry hi fi feel compare to over lush/wet club loudness.

the nice thing about the Mini T's is that they not sound thin or washed out
In this sealed box mode,so it is recommended practice to try.

Itshak

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jun 2016, 10:28 am
Hi Folks,

Yes the Mini T's are capable of a true 33Hz and if you have to place them close to a wall - say 1 foot or so then using the port stuffer will help if you get too much low end in your room. 

This is what the Reviewer from Stereophile Magazine said about the demo at the recent Newport Audio Show in California.  The room was very small and almost square - we did not stuff the ports.

Bryston Room

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144681)

Lots of well-proportioned bass, with control for days, distinguished this all-Bryston presentation.

The lower range was superbly filled out on Lucinda Williams's "West Memphis." Ditto on a track from Emmylou Harris, although cymbals were a bit hot.

Add to that great bass and bit of sizzle on top—plus fabulous three-dimensionality on music from Supertramp—and you've got the best system I encountered since show's start for filling out the bass line.

The winners: Bryston's DDP-2 digital player, BDA-3 DAC, BP26 preamp with MPS-2 power supply, 7B3 Cubed mono-blocks , and Bryston Mini T loudspeakers. The latter can be either single or bi-wired; Bryston chose the latter, with StraightWire cabling.


Jason Victor Serinus,
Stereophile


james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: veloceleste on 11 Jun 2016, 11:09 am
Hi Folks,

Yes the Mini T's are capable of a true 33Hz and if you have to place them close to a wall - say 1 foot or so then using the port stuffer will help if you get too much low end
james
Hi James,
Do you have a similar graph showing the plugged and unplugged response of the mini t?
That is just what I'm looking for.
Thanks.
Dave
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Yitshak on 11 Jun 2016, 11:39 am
Hi James,
Do you have a similar graph showing the plugged and unplugged response of the mini t?
That is just what I'm looking for.
Thanks.
Dave


That would be very intresting +1
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Yitshak on 11 Jun 2016, 12:13 pm
I don't have too much of a choice in my second setup for now and I like big sound :)
But it was only until BDP-2 joined that I had to make a move and tame the beasts.

What I realy amaze is how nice they perform in this sealed condition.
I always felt that when I sealed speaker their drivers loose force too much
And the speakers sound thin and washed. (Small magnet??? Small internal box volume??)

It's obviously not the case with the Mini T's'. 

the Mini T's with 4bsst2 keep Reach bottom end with sustain force and the woofer have enough
drive muscle to force it's way,Just in a cleaner and faster transients yet keep sound big
And controlled as I like.

Also the natural sounding Twitter keep it's playing with ease
and don't become over pronounce or flat.

It is As if their actual designers (James ) took this sealed box
consideration as actual option pre manufacture  :thumb:



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jun 2016, 12:15 pm
Hi James,
Do you have a similar graph showing the plugged and unplugged response of the mini t?
That is just what I'm looking for.
Thanks.
Dave

Hi Dave

No sorry I do not but it would be a gradual rolloff from about 50Hz down.

Here is the full anechoic frequency response response (on axis) of the Mini T.  You can see it goes down to about 50Hz and then starts a gradual rolloff - with the port stuffed the rolloff is quicker.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144683)


james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: The Rang on 11 Jun 2016, 03:07 pm
Stuffing the ports sounds like a viable option for me.
I did the same when demo'ing the KEF R700 using the supplied plugs and the differerence though subtle was noticable.
Do the Mini T's come with foam plugs?

My room is a challenge, almost square at 13ft x 13.5ft and perhaps a bit too "live".

I just wish my local dealer would allow an in-home demo....
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 11 Jun 2016, 03:12 pm
That's the only thing holding me back from the Mini T's: the bass output.
Sounded great in one showroom in Vancouver, not so good at another dealer in the Seattle area.
Too much bass at the latter with two different amps in two different rooms.
My room won't allow me to place them 3 to 4 feet from the wall

I have mine about 18 inches away from the back wall. I bought the foam port plugs directly from Axiom.com . They are slightly toed in. I use a Parasound JC2 pre amp with a Parasound A21 amp that puts out 250 per channel. I have them on 13 inch wooden stands custom built by Gwiz. They are a year old now and the boominess they produced b4 they were broken in is long gone.

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/IMG_20160611_110943608_HDR.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/IMG_20160611_110943608_HDR.jpg.html)

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/IMG_20160611_111022186.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/IMG_20160611_111022186.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jun 2016, 03:30 pm
Stuffing the ports sounds like a viable option for me.
I did the same when demo'ing the KEF R700 using the supplied plugs and the differerence though subtle was noticable.
Do the Mini T's come with foam plugs?

My room is a challenge, almost square at 13ft x 13.5ft and perhaps a bit too "live".

I just wish my local dealer would allow an in-home demo....

Hi Rang

Yes the room in Newport was almost square as well - within a foot.

I think you would find the Mini's superb especially if your room is a little on the bright side as the Sound Power on the Mini T is wide and very even.

If you order a pair let me know and i will throw in the foam plugs for you.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Yitshak on 12 Jun 2016, 06:03 am
Now I run my main setup also port plugged.
I'm really surprised how it improve the sound even in
bigger space.
It's look like my room sound reinforcements characteristic
are in favore of sealed ports.
I have to turn the BP6 volume higher but The clean sound impact,
nuance separation,speed and agillity of the sound with no
fatigue even at 11:30 is impressive by all means.

I got curious,
 
Any measurements What the internal cabinets volume
of Mini T's and Middle T's spec'?

Do to some furniture position limitations lower positioned drivers
are not practical for all,but increase in cabinet volume is affactive
when one choose to use speaker with port closed.

Any thoughts on Mini T's as stand floor designe say
In middle T cabinets ??

Itshak
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jun 2016, 09:49 am
Hi Yitshak

The Middle T is in fact a floor standing version of the Mini T.  The advantage of the Middle T is you have two bass drivers which means less distortion at very high sound  levels.  The Middle T does not go any lower than the Mini T because when you add the second woofer the cabinet size has to increase to provide the same low output as one driver in a smaller cabinet.

If you want lower bass than the Mini or the Middle you have to go to the Model T's.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jun 2016, 02:09 pm
Hi James

I've had so many people over to hear and enjoy the eye candy in a year since I got the Bryston A1 speakers.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144754)

I have a two systems (Vintage 1981 4B completely gone over and updated right down to a power switch and new feet by your great staff. It's in another zone of flat with a pair RP280F Klipsch.

Second system is sweet … 4BSST2, BP6, and of course the A1's.

Mostly everyone is floored. Folk, Rock, Pop, Metal, Punk, my live recordings around the planet etc... All have been played on the system. Lol...   ;)

Absolutely in love with Bryston!

Thanks James
Ken.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Yitshak on 17 Jun 2016, 08:42 am
Hi Yitshak

The Middle T is in fact a floor standing version of the Mini T.  The advantage of the Middle T is you have two bass drivers which means less distortion at very high sound  levels.  The Middle T does not go any lower than the Mini T because when you add the second woofer the cabinet size has to increase to provide the same low output as one driver in a smaller cabinet.

If you want lower bass than the Mini or the Middle you have to go to the Model T's.

james



For now I'm limited to stand mount configuration (Mini T's ) do to furniture
Placement.

However I do understand the Middle T is a truly remarkable design.
It is indeed a lot of speaker for the money.

Same ease of load as the Mini T same FQ spectrum cover yet with dual
woofers to handle the lowers,it achieve noticeable better bass performance.
(less total overload  on the room do to sound cancellation affect as two woofers
producing the same sound waves  - if I understood older forum posts correctly ).

Thankfully I'm very content with the Mini T's.
they hit over the hill and outperform any speaker I had or heared
Include some designs cost up to 3.5 time the price!!!

After changing back to self power drive in the BDP-2 I open the ports again and all is fine,
no real competition out there for this all rounder speakers accept from it's own Bryston bigger bro's.

Itshak
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jun 2016, 01:20 am
New Bryston Model T

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=145620)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=145621)


They have arrived! as others have mentioned they set up in a snap, and after 10 hours of warm up, they are rocking the house!!

Thanks!

i love these speakers!

jonny

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 26 Jun 2016, 12:58 pm
stunning!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 27 Jun 2016, 02:51 pm
Hi Marius

Those are the Model T's not the Middles.

Anxious to hear what you have to say.  How large is your room?

james


HI James,

Auditioning the Model T's has ended. Returned them to Mafico who i thank for having them over at my place.

There were 2 major ups and 2 downs for me. Beginning with the ups:
- Placement is as easy as connecting the cables and turning on the amps. Never realized how easy it can and should be to have a big soundscape, and have the speakers disappear sonically. We really couldn't point out the speakers, just one big powerful image. Comparing that to my ESL's (which are supposed to be easy on that), Model T wins hands down.
- No matter what i played, the tweeters never dominated, nor fatigued the ears. T's were the first I auditioned to succeed in that regard. And i listened to the old tweeters, the newer ones are even better?

Now, i noticed some downs too, unfortunately:
- the Basses are way too dominant, and not very well defined for that matter, sometimes plain muddy. I've done some heavy stuffing at the back ports, even closed them completely. I was surprised the basses were so prominent, in a rather unnatural way. I missed the option of the 10bsub here. Would have thought a full range speaker like the Model T's didn't need extra care in balancing. For me, they really do. Here, my Rel sub/10bsub wins quite easily, no matter the musical style. Blend in perfectly. I now am looking for a second model REL B1 Britannia Cherry to have them in stereo. (that is one thing i learned auditioning the T's: do have your subs in stereo. )

- The Model T's provide a amazing sound, apparently without any limits in power, and as such they build a colossal experience. Wow. I must admit i never heard anything like it.
Still, and thats why i list this under the downs, the sound image was not very transparent. I've thought of ways to describe the way i experienced it, and think it is worded best by Wall of Sound, rather than Hall of Sound. Massive rather than transparent.

Of course I've lived with ESL's for the better part of my professional life in music, and have trained ears, focussed and depending on the directional musical lines and their origin/positions. ESL's excel at that, transparency being their first, middle and last name. I feel the T's do an amazing job for all music, created in the studio, on the mixing board, and not directly in the hall used for the recording. Albeit with a too bass heavy sound, un-crossovered.
Listening to Classical music, which relies on being able to listen through the music to find all instruments, and perhaps more importantly hear the silence and acoustic of the hall being played, was just something i felt the T's don't excel in.

All in all, i find the T's to be exceptional speakers, they're just not made for my ears and needs, which i really regret... Would have really liked an all Bryston line-up.

If i might add a final word on the design: James you often talk about designers and architects to not think enough about the needs of the audiophile in matters of acoustics and space. I think we all agree on this forum. Maybe Bryston could in turn think a bit more about the eye-candy aspect of the speaker range. Ive had several people over to help me listen, and they all started talking about the speakers before i had played one track ;-(  They disappear sonically, but are real eye catchers. You must be able to design the speakers in less barebones, more elegant way. They might get a bit pricier doing so, but when one spends about 10-12 K for the main room, the aesthetics are important too.

Hope im still allowed on AC after this...

Still, Cheers!
Marius


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bummrush on 27 Jun 2016, 03:02 pm
For James or anyone withAxiom speakers.  Ive wondered for years how big of a bang is Axio compared to Bryston.  Because Axiom looks like a darn good company with very good product.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jun 2016, 04:35 pm
Hi Marius

You are still allowed -  :icon_lol:

Dipoles like the Quads load the room totally differently than the Model T's do so the frequency balance will change a lot so that may explain the excessive bass loading you mentioned in comparison to your current sub placement.

Anyway I have used the Model T's at many shows and honestly have never really had issues with too much bass but every room is different so results may vary.

I have owned all versions of the Quads and they do some things very well but dynamic compression and limited off axis response was always the problem I could not get passed.

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: FireGuy on 27 Jun 2016, 07:44 pm
For James or anyone withAxiom speakers.  Ive wondered for years how big of a bang is Axio compared to Bryston.  Because Axiom looks like a darn good company with very good product.

I own all of Axiom's bookshelf speakers in different versions.  They are crazy good for the price.  Very neutral and well balanced sound.  Bryston's partnership choice with them is a good one.   A decision I'm sure that was well conceived, planned and now executed.  I have not heard or read of any comparisons.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jun 2016, 07:49 pm
Bryston and Axiom Speaker Product Differences

Hi Folks,

I know there has been some discussion regarding how the Bryston speaker products differ from the Axiom products.  The short answer is that some quite a bit and others minimally.  As with most strategic partnerships the idea is to create something new, as a team, which is better than what existed originally. 

Axiom has over 30 years of experience designing and manufacturing loudspeakers; including the ability to design and manufacture custom drivers, cabinets, and crossovers.  Since the goal is the best end product it would be foolish to avoid using Axiom’s existing technology, to the detriment of the end product, only to create differences for differences sake.  The decision to team up with Axiom on this project, and hopefully many more in the future, has some deep roots.  We have known each other since the early 1980s where we met through the research project going on at that time at the acoustical laboratory at Canada’s National Research Council in Ottawa.  Of utmost importance is that the underlying philosophy of both our companies is one of performance first; and this can easily be seen in both our commitments over the years to continuously investing in state of the art R&D facilities.  For loudspeaker design Axiom has their own onsite anechoic chamber (same size as the one in Ottawa Canada at the National Research facility) and an outside 100 foot subwoofer tower testing facility. They also have state of the art sophisticated speaker test gear and blind listening rooms as well as two of the best and most experienced speaker engineers on the planet (Ian Colquhoun of Axiom and Andrew Welker - formerly of API).  All of this means a great starting point and strong ongoing experience for the development of the Bryston speaker line.  It is no secret that many electronics companies have tried to go it on their own in speaker development with disastrous results.  The overwhelmingly positive response from owners and reviewers to the Bryston speaker line to date is proving that choosing the right partner was the right thing for Bryston to do. 

DRIVERS:
The tweeter design is extremely linear, has a very high compression limit, and very low distortion at high output levels.  These were all things we wanted incorporated in the Bryston tweeter. The in-house design and manufacturing allowed us to take a no compromise approach to the design as well as have total control over the quality and consistency.  The in-house manufacturing allows us to do all this plus keep the cost focused on the product without layers of additional mark-ups.  Also you really have to concern yourself with how the tweeter interacts with the other drivers in your speaker system; in-house design of every component, not just the tweeter, has allowed us to do this seamlessly.  The problem with most tweeters is the maximum SPL they can achieve before compression, distortion or just plain blowing up. I wanted the Bryston speakers and especially the Model T to be able to play at real world levels without dynamic compression – which is one of the main issues I hear in many speakers (some horn designs excepted)!  On axis linearity is going to be pretty good with almost any tweeter these days through the critical band, but good off axis performance is much harder to find.  The Bryston/Axiom tweeter has very good maximum SPL capabilities because of the custom titanium dome, phase plug, and mechanical design elements incorporated in its design.  It also has excellent off axis response as is apparent in the measurements of the finished product; (all the way out to 75 degrees) this is really important to hold a nice ‘sound power’ curve like we are doing in all the Bryston speaker models.

We have developed two different 5 ¼ midrange drivers as well because we needed different responses depending upon whether there are two midrange drivers like in the Model T and Model T Center or one midrange like in the Mini T and Middle T and Mini Center channel. Visually they look the same but the motor systems are customized for each specific model. All custom parts means there is no plug and play involved in any of the designs.  We have also developed a new 3 inch midrange for our On-wall and In-wall speakers and plan on using the new 3 inch mid in a smaller bookshelf as well. On the Mini Center, In-wall, and On-wall speakers we had to tool a completely different mounting system for the mid/tweeter alignment. The Bryston 5 ¼ inch midranges are actually a mid/woofer utilizing die cast baskets and full woofer suspension and motor systems.  This allows us to avoid the large capacitor required on midrange drivers to create a high pass filter that would be detrimental to the design.

For the T Series speakers, we have developed 3 different versions of eight inch woofers, because, as you know, as the box size changes so do the woofer requirements; again with different motor systems (suspension and voice coils for the Model T, Subs, Mini T, Center channels etc.).  All the Bryston current T Series speakers are based on heavy duty 8 inch woofers.  The crossovers, cabinet sizes, and cabinet bracing required for the T series are extremely robust in order to achieve the clean output levels required for our amplifiers.  The T Series represents and entire line above the Axiom 6.5” based top models.  The entire T Series line has been engineered from the ground up just for Bryston.  This combination of the more robust woofers, crossovers, and cabinets give the T series much greater power handling, lower distortion and much lower bass frequency capability.

CROSSOVERS:

Every crossover is designed and manufactured in-house specifically for the model it is used in.  In the case of the Model T you have the choice between an internal crossover, a high powered external crossover, or an external active DSP crossover. 

TOTAL CONTROL:
The capability for Bryston to design every aspect of the speaker – cabinet, crossovers, drivers, etc. with the help of Axiom, and control all the QC and testing through all facets of production is a HUGE cost and performance advantage over ‘off the shelf’ or so called ‘modified versions’ of off the shelf products which most other manufactures have to rely on. Tweeters are a great example of this because the tolerances require extreme precision and any deviation will be a serious compromise in performance. Designing and manufacturing a speaker with the ability to control all these parameters allows you to build exactly what you want and not have to build around a part or component that is available on someone else’s shelf or another manufactures profit markup.

BRYSTON A SERIES:
As of early 2014 Bryston will also be introducing a line of speakers designated the A Series which will be based on 6.5 inch woofer drivers, which will be closer in performance to the Axiom speaker products but will offer a Bryston 20 year warranty, a substantially improved woofer and more robust cabinet construction as well as the ability for customers to hear them at their local Bryston dealer all at a modest cost difference.

The A Series will offer our customers a lower price point than the T Series but other than slightly lower bass capability and less overall level output will equal the performance of the T Series in all other areas of performance. So choosing a Bryston speaker becomes a matter of application choice not performance choice – there is no better/best.

CONCLUSION:
Ultimately people will have to judge for themselves whether they like the sound of the Bryston speakers or not but in my opinion, they offer state of the art sound at very affordable prices given their price/performance capabilities. Check out the reviews and customer responses so far and I think it speaks for itself that we have accomplished that goal.

James Tanner
V/P Bryston

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Marius on 27 Jun 2016, 09:33 pm
Bryston and Axiom Speaker Product Differences


CROSSOVERS:

Every crossover is designed and manufactured in-house specifically for the model it is used in.  In the case of the Model T you have the choice between an internal crossover, a high powered external crossover, or an external active DSP crossover. 

James Tanner
V/P Bryston



HI James,


Is the external active DSP crossover available yet? That would be extremely interesting and useful in my setup.


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 27 Jun 2016, 09:50 pm

HI James,



Now, i noticed some downs too, unfortunately:
- the Basses are way too dominant, and not very well defined for that matter, sometimes plain muddy. I've done some heavy stuffing at the back ports, even closed them completely. I was surprised the basses were so prominent, in a rather unnatural way. I missed the option of the 10bsub here. Would have thought a full range speaker like the Model T's didn't need extra care in balancing.

Hope im still allowed on AC after this...

Still, Cheers!
Marius

yup..even my Mini T 's were disappointing. I tried everything in the book to get rid of the boominess. Placed them high, low, straight  ahead, toed in, out, you name it and stuffed the ports with anything I could find. The problem lies in the breakin period. It's not quick as advised and informed. It took months before one day they just started to sound so different. Gone was the the awful bass. Things tightened up rather quickly then and it was like a whole new of speakers had been delivered.

Don't be fooled...Bryston speakers take a very long time to break in. A demo loan won't work as it would with others out there. I know some here say how great they sound right away but as more owners post or potential owners find out they DO NOT. Patience is rewarded and if you buy them second hand or returned to store you will most likely benefit from the time used and of course a discount.

Bryston speakers = patience.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: The Rang on 28 Jun 2016, 04:19 am
And that's why an in-home demo using a broken in pair is crucial IMHO.
Might also explain why they sounded so boomy when I heard them at the Seattle dealer....maybe they weren't adequately broken in.
All I know for sure is this: unless my local (Vancouver) dealer changes their mind about a demo, I'm not buying.

The Seattle dealer was willing to do it but the whole cross border thing make it very difficult. And the currency thing doesn't help either.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: veloceleste on 28 Jun 2016, 09:14 am
It took me a while to get the Mini T bass sounding smooth and not to boom in my very difficult room. The room has very obvious peaks and nulls caused by standing waves. You can lean forward a foot in my listening spot and the bass can go from deep and powerful to disappearing.  I changed placement, stand height and tried plugs before I found the speakers' sweet spot. I bought mine used so I don't think break in was an issue. Plugs definitely reduced boom but also killed the punch IMO so I didn't use them. I come from old the school Allison and AR camp so deep, tight bass response is a priority for me and even though  a "small" speaker, the Mini T delivers in that area.   Correct me if I'm wrong but the acoustical design goal of the T series speakers is similar to that of Roy Allison's early designs but is achieved using different methods. The Mini T's remind me of a modern Allison sound; even power response through the frequency range but with more detail and better imaging. The Mini T's are also an honest speaker; no euphemistic coloring. Smooth is smooth and harsh is harsh if that's what is on the recording. Detail and clarity abound but don't overwhelm. The sound is very natural and balanced overall. I'm glad I didn't give up on the Mini T's.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jun 2016, 10:54 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston System – Customer Feedback


Hi Gary,

We exchanged emails a few months back about the email newsletter.  I have received a few since then thank you. 

Regarding the all Bryston system we were looking at, we went ahead with the purchase of the following components from Rick at The Audio Alternative, Fort Collins, CO.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=145766)

BRYSTON:
BDP-2 Player
BDA-3 DAC
BP-26 Preamp
MPS-2 PS
7B3- Mono
BIT-20 Balanced
Model T Passive
Speakers

I have included a picture of the set-up in our living room.  Please ignore the fireplace.  The restoration of which took a backseat to the stereo.  We would like to give praise to Rick at The Audio Alternative who drove from Fort Collins, Colorado to Salt Lake City to make sure we were happy with the set-up.  That kind of customer service is exactly what we are looking for with this type of purchase as it is more of a long-term relationship than a one off purchase.  We look forward to making future additions to our system with Rick.  We are very excited about the Bryston turntable and are waiting for Rick's analysis.  He has some stiff competition at his shop with Linn and Thorens.

We are very happy with the system we purchased and look forward to many years of enjoyable (sometimes loud) listening.

Matt & Amelia

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Spyman on 28 Jun 2016, 09:09 pm
I've bought a lot of Bryston gear from Rick too! He's really great to work with, isn't he? He's done a lot to help me upgrade my system over the years and I will continue to buy from him. He has two great rooms every year at RMAF in Denver. Congrats on your new system!

Terry
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Williams2 on 1 Jul 2016, 02:06 pm
Hi James, on page 1 of the Making of Bryston Model T loudspeakers, you said that part of the advantage to working with Axiom was being able to design and manufacture your own drivers. I bought Mini T's recently, and out of curiosity I googled the number printed around the midrange driver. Up came Zhejiang Innuovo speakers China. Have the drivers always been sourced from China or was this a transition?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jul 2016, 06:14 pm
Hi James, on page 1 of the Making of Bryston Model T loudspeakers, you said that part of the advantage to working with Axiom was being able to design and manufacture your own drivers. I bought Mini T's recently, and out of curiosity I googled the number printed around the midrange driver. Up came Zhejiang Innuovo speakers China. Have the drivers always been sourced from China or was this a transition?

Hi William

Axiom has a factory in China and they source the baskets from a company close to theirs in China. 

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 2 Jul 2016, 06:27 pm

China is everywhere...

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Williams2 on 3 Jul 2016, 01:26 am
Even when unexpected and made to believe otherwise...
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Jul 2016, 10:24 am
Hi Folks

Another review on the A2 speakers

http://www.theaterbyte.com/hardware-gear-electronics/bryston-model-a2-speakers-review.html
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: The Rang on 3 Jul 2016, 03:09 pm
Does this mean the midrange drivers are made in China or just the baskets with the drivers assembled here?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Jul 2016, 03:20 pm
Does this mean the midrange drivers are made in China or just the baskets with the drivers assembled here?

Hi

Just the baskets are made in China for Axioms factory there and are exclusive to Axiom and are their designs. All the driver assembly, all the cabinet wood work, crossovers and QC testing and design work are done at Axiom in Canada. I think William has a point though and we should change that line to reflect some components are sourced in China to Axioms spec for their operation there.  That is changing though as more and more work and design is coming back from China as costs increase and it is starting to look like it makes more economical sense to manufacture even the baskets in Canada. In our case we purchase everything from Axiom here in Canada.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jul 2016, 02:41 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT:  Bryston Model T Speakers – Customer feedback


Hi James

I have not commented on my Bryston Model T Speakers yet.

I will say they are fantastic!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146755)

I for one do not want/need polished surfaces and weird curves on my speakers (or components for that matter). As a matter of fact I prefer sober, boxy designs, without much fanfare. I wanted best sound for my money and under 10K. After endless hours of reading about the Model Ts, and the opinion of many members here, I bought them, without seeing/listening in person. I am so impressed by them. I did get a special order walnut veneer that looks really nice IMO.

At essentially half the price, the choice was a no-brainer for me. I was curious about the KEF Blades, and the Revel Salons. All three seem to be playing at the same performance level. 20K for the other two options was not worth it to me. If I had 20K for a pair of prettier, maybe better speakers, then I'd probably rather spend 50K for bigger and obvious better performance. For my money, 20-30K seems to be kinda the gray area to me.

Plus, if you look at used prices, all these three speakers are going for close to 50% their original price. I'd rather have a 5K devaluation than a 10-15K one, especially at what a lot people seem to agree is an essentially similar, some say better, performance level.

I guess I just don't like to compare the two (KEF Blade and Bryston Model T) like one could compare an Omega Seamaster and a Rolex Submariner. I've owned both and the Omega has the same, ever better, performance at half the price. So it comes down to wanting to spend twice as much versus having to spend twice as much... Neither is right or wrong. It's your $ and you should spend it as you wish

Happy Listening!!

Tutomac
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2016, 12:14 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T Speakers – Customer Feedback


Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016
Subject: Bryston Mini T's Rock!!!!
 
Hi Folks,

WOW !!!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=147648)


“I bought Mini T speakers knowing nothing about Bryston products.

Amazing speakers.. !!! wow! --- i am getting ready to set up main rig for big room and will be purchasing the big boy's for it,, shocking how good a product for the money!

Amazing!! Great job!! Bryston!!! --- much better than my (edit) or (edit) or (edit),,,”

jim

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Aug 2016, 06:56 pm

Hi Folks

Here’s a shot of a custom Bryston ‘Sound Bar’ speaker on a very large 80 inch TV.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148544)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148545)

The sound bar is essentially a pair of Mini A’s on either end and a single Mini A with an extra woofer for the Center channel.

Here is a comment from the Dealer:

I will give u a full write up in 2 weeks …  I’m very impressed with this product!

Ram

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Sep 2016, 03:31 pm
Hi James

I am in the process of changing out my B&W 802n with matching center and subs to Bryston Model Model T and TC-1 Center etc.  I changed out my surrounds to Bryston TOW on walls last year.  Added TIW in walls for Atmos as well recently.
I really love the Bryston TIW in wall speakers for the Atmos playback, they were a bargain for what you get at the price they are offered at.

After I get the Model T Signatures in I will plan on ordering the TC-1. After that 2 of the model T subs.

Thanks again for your help, a picture of my room is below.
Current system as follows:

Pair 7BSST2
0ne 9BSST2
One Emotiva 5 ch amp (will be repealed with another 9BSSTx at some point)
BCD_1 CD
BDP-2 with soundcard upgrade
2 BIT-15
Marantz AV8802
Oppo 103D
I still listen to new CD's in my wonderful BCD-1.

Joe
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Sep 2016, 10:39 am
Greetings James,

The Model Ts are an excellent match with the Luxman amp and DAC.

Although I mainly play music downloads and ripped files through a dual PC setup, I find the Model Ts have breathed new life into a number of CDs I've played. They seem to bring out the best the CDs have to offer, providing a more well-rounded and full (it's the only way I can describe it) sound. Listening to CDs has become much more pleasurable, and on a par with the computer setup.

Simply put, I join the many others in recommending that anyone considering new speakers at this or higher price point give the Model Ts an audition.

Cheers,

Bernie.,
All the way from Australia
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Sep 2016, 04:25 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT:  Bryston –Model T Speakers – Dealer  Feedback

September 2016

Observations on Bryston Model T Signature Speakers
Matrix One Management Consulting Inc.


I've had the Model T Signature speakers for some time now, and so have had ample opportunity to become familiar with them. The arrival of the Model T’s happened to coincide with a move into a new house, and consequently a new listening room, so I had to get to know not only the speakers, but the new rooms’ characteristics as well. The room is roughly 18 ft. wide by 25 ft. long, with a 10-1/2 ft. ceiling height, and is architecturally symmetrical, with the exception of a small area in the left rear corner that bumps out beyond those dimensions. A fair room volume, but the Model T's are more than able to provide satisfying volume & dynamics at any sane listening level.

With enough listening hours under the belt, I now feel that I know what the room is like, and therefore what the Model T's are bringing to the party.

Some background: I've been involved with the audio industry all of my working life, and I've been privileged to experience some incredible examples of sound reproduction along the way. At one time I was employed by Harry Pearson, and worked for the Absolute Sound magazine in Sea Cliff, NY, involving nearly daily exposure to Harry's continuously-changing reference systems (including the then-famed Infinity Reference System). In more recent years I've served as lead project consultant for upscale private theaters.

When James Tanner gave me the run-down on the design path for the Model T's, they sounded intriguing, but I was concerned that they would have enough output to work well in my new room, given its volume. I needn't have worried. Driven by a pair of 7B's, the Model T's can reach beyond what my room can handle, whether it's T-Rex or Tchaikovsky. They can play loud, while maintaining linearity & detail even in the low frequencies. Within reason, your room and its loading and modal characteristics are more likely to be a limiting factor than the Model T’s.

If you’ve read the professional reviews, you already know that the speakers go loud, are extended in the basement frequencies relative to their size and driver complement, and are generally linear in their frequency response and polar patterns.

I feel that the performance of the Model T's is especially noteworthy for a few reasons.

Transparency
While I won't claim that I've never heard more transparent reproducers, the Model Ts are excellent for speakers that use passive crossovers & dynamic drivers. The differences between recording techniques, mixing and mastering are audible, including sophisticated mastering tools such as multi-band compression. There is no upper-low frequency bump that some designs use to give an exaggerated and inaccurate impression of power in the bottom end. But there is low-end power and extension, in proportion to what is on the recording. Low organ notes down to what I’d judge as being in the 24Hz area are reproduced cleanly and distinctly, and with appropriate authority, frequencies below taper off, rather than soundling like they fall off the proverbial cliff. Electric bass in well-mixed modern recordings is a particular treat, as the Model T’s never sacrifice transient or dynamic detail or contrast for “bloat”.

With recordings that incorporate real ambient space, such as The Weavers Reunion At Carnegie Hall 1963 / Ramblin’ Boy, the acoustic space of the old Carnegie Hall is palpable, and is great fun to hear. Significantly, I hear that space to evenly occupy the same “virtual stage” as the voices and instruments; it’s not that it sounds most obvious between the speakers and weakens toward the boundaries of the audible sound stage. The ambient cues sound like you could be really hearing it in the depth, breadth & height of the Carnegie Hall stage. Such ambient space sounds different from reverb added in post, no matter how refined the reverb algorithm is.

Sound Space
The Model T’s in my room are surprisingly satisfying in terms of perceptual width, height and perhaps, to a slightly lesser extent, depth of the musical stage.  (I say perhaps as what I’m hearing may well be more a function of the room’s influence, than the speakers. It may also be related to digital sources, my records are still in boxes.) Maybe it’s that the sound space so easily and so clearly extends beyond the width and height of the speaker placements, that the illusion of depth is merely good by comparison. Sounds do appear both forward of and behind the plane of the speakers. In multi-tracked pop recordings, perceived depth is an artifact of such enhancements as reverb, delay, relative mix levels between tracks, and so on. The Model T’s let you hear these nuances, and in a way, occasionally also lets you hear their respective limitations. I mean as contrasted with a sense of depth captured “live” in one pass, in a real acoustical space, with minimal compression in post, and with simple microphone placements intended to capture both direct and indirect sounds.

Dynamics
Those who know me can tell you that I have reservations about speakers designed for the retail consumer market, in terms of dynamic capabilities. More often than not, and across many brands, such designs will sound good to varying degrees in store showrooms, but fall apart when placed in a use-scenario that requires wide dynamic range, fast response times to high-level transients, and significant peak volumes, without what sounds like compression from the monitors themselves. In casual use, we don’t notice this much, as the vast majority of popular and even most classical recordings are compressed in mastering, and don’t place significant demands on the audio chain. The best recordings, however, and certainly some film soundtracks, do.

When you place many of these models, intended for consumer living rooms, into a space that is acoustically designed and reasonably damped (strategic use of absorbing & reflecting materials), and without the crutch of reflections from walls & ceilings, they often don’t perform when things are meant to get exciting.

Monitors designed for the pro recording & mastering spaces are typically much better in this regard, to the extent that historically, when spec’ing a customer’s private theater, I’ve preferred to avoid consumer designs.

But no worries here. The Model T’s have very good dynamics. Although I don’t play music or movies at levels that would induce pain, I have yet to hear them artificially compress or otherwise sound unhappy. Overall dynamic range (large dynamics) is far superior to the majority of consumer speakers, including some that cost much more, and micro contrasts are well reproduced, if not at the level of the very best I’ve ever heard over the years (my fondest memories come from heavily modified or unique special designs that were never commercially available).

Bang for the Buck
If I had to peg one thing and one thing only that makes the Model T’s important, it would be this: they are unbelievable value for money. Period.

Have more money to spend? Great. But you need a quite a lot more money.

When I ordered the Model T’s, I was hoping for something that would manage satisfying volume levels in my room, which serves for both movies and music.  I was hoping for a certain baseline of performance in terms of listening quality, but really thought that the speakers and their driver complements might barely manage in my room. My first love is music, but honestly, I imagined the total result would be very good for movies, and merely good for music listening.

The Model T Signatures have far exceeded my expectations.

Movies do indeed sound very good, but music listening now takes pride of place.

Thank you,
Bryston.
Brian Gammon

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Oct 2016, 06:08 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Dealer Feedback - Model T Speakers


October 2016

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=151643)

James,


Wolfsong Audio's Model T signature speakers arrived this week. 


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=151645)


Towers of Power indeed! 

Real full range response with outstanding dynamics, depth, detail and coherence. 

They are a true pleasure to listen to. From Rachmaninoff to Van Halen to Sarah Vaughn to Crystal method they morph into the "speaker that likes..........." 

We may be spoiled with the 28B3s driving them but what a fantastic combo.  Low level listening is fabulous and that just seem to soar ever higher when played at louder volumes.  Break in has been nearly painless and with just over 90 hours on them the sound stage is expansive and expressive. 

Well done Bryston!


Mike Burns
Wolfsong Audio LLC

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Oct 2016, 11:55 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Speakers


October 2016

Hi James, 

Here’s some info on my new showroom system. 
 

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152031)


I'm in the break in process of the 14B3 and the Bryston Signature Model T's, but so far I'm groovin'.

On the loudspeakers, I haven’t yet found the upper limit of how loud they will play; they have everything I love about the Mini Ts, just more of it.
 

The test for me of a hi-fi system is always, does it totally communicate the emotional impact of the music and make me want to dance? 

As you can see from the photo, my hi-fi store is connected to my wife's record shop, and last Saturday, we had a group of 5 young African American customers in the store who were in town for a convention at Opryland, and were making the record store rounds.  While they were checking out, I asked, does anybody like Alabama Shakes?  The answer was an enthusiastic yes, so I called it up in Manic Moose and cranked it.  The group and I were dancing around the room and singing along.

Well done Bryston!
 
Brian Warford
Brian's Custom Theaters and Hi-Fi
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Oct 2016, 11:28 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Australian Hi-Fi Show 2016 – Bryston Demo

October 2016

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152521)

Hi James,

The Bryston demo system at the recent Australian Hi-Fi Show consisted of:

Bryston BLP-1 Turntable, Bryston BDP-Pi Digital Player, Bryston BDA-3 DAC, Bryston BP-2 MM/MC Phono Stage, Bryston BP-26 Pre Amp, Bryston 14B3 Power Amplifier, Bryston Middle T Speakers, Cardas Parsec XLR Interconnects, Cardas Golden Cross Speaker Cables, Cardas Twinlink Power Cables (Throughout)

Bryston Model A Mini (Static)
Bryston Model A2 (Static)

Bryston Speakers are now on the map in a big way In Australia!

There were so many people stating that the Bryston room with the Middle T speakers was best sounding room at the show.

Kind Regards,
George Poutakidis


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152522)
Title: Bryston at TAVES 2016
Post by: Williams2 on 31 Oct 2016, 02:03 am
It was a nice Bryston room at TAVES, with the Model T's on display. I really like the T series speakers, but I only heard 1 song in about 30 mins or so that sounded good. The music selection was horrible. It was either too slow or quiet, cut off before finished, the volume seemed to fluctuate up and down, and most songs had poor quality. It was a really bad example of what these speakers can do. There were at least 2 reps in the room and apparently none of them know how to demo speakers so they sound appealing. I only had 1 question I wanted to ask but it was obvious that I knew more about the speakers than he did. It's too bad, I'm sure lots of money was spent for that room, and from what I heard and saw, most people walked out pretty quickly and unimpressed.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Oct 2016, 02:26 am
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=146355.0
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: CoolPool on 31 Oct 2016, 05:17 pm
Hi James,
Williams2 was kind enough to direct me here from avsforums and I thought I should tell you I'm quite looking forward to taking delivery of my T On Walls soon. As far as installation goes should I set them up with any toe-in or mount them flat? They will be almost 7 feet apart from center and my listening distance is 11 ft. I'm looking to replace my center channel some time in the New Year and wanted to know if the AC-1 Mini would be a better match for the TOWs. I'm running these off an Onkyo TX-NR646 for now but once the dedicated home theatre is in place will be running separates.

FWIW, I really like the new grilles on the T in the photos.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Oct 2016, 07:35 pm
Hi James,
Williams2 was kind enough to direct me here from avsforums and I thought I should tell you I'm quite looking forward to taking delivery of my T On Walls soon. As far as installation goes should I set them up with any toe-in or mount them flat? They will be almost 7 feet apart from center and my listening distance is 11 ft. I'm looking to replace my center channel some time in the New Year and wanted to know if the AC-1 Mini would be a better match for the TOWs. I'm running these off an Onkyo TX-NR646 for now but once the dedicated home theatre is in place will be running separates.

FWIW, I really like the new grilles on the T in the photos.

Well thank william2 for me please. :thumb:

The Bryston speakers have very wide dispersion so mounting flat is fine.

Yes the tonal characteristics of a speaker are a function of its polar response so the AC-1 mini or AC1 depending on your left and right speakers would be the better match.

Yes I was trying out the new looking grills at the show to see what the response would be. - not that any self respecting audiophile would leave the grills on aye :lol:

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Oct 2016, 07:38 pm
PS - speaking of AVS Forums:

I think this is the most extensive review I have ever recieved at an audio show !!!  :thumb:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/2628385-bryston-model-t-active-loudspeaker-system-taves-2016-a.html
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: CoolPool on 31 Oct 2016, 09:16 pm
Nice! The TOWs will be my main speakers for now. This is in a relatively small room (15x15) and free standing towers (or bookshelves on stands) can't be done with my setup. Thanks for getting back to me so quickly; I'll be talking to Mike at Audio Ark in the New year then!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Nov 2016, 07:40 pm
Hi Folks,

What do you think of this grill design for the Model T Actives?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152916)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152943)



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spotlightaudio on 1 Nov 2016, 09:40 pm
Much better than the originals  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bud1451 on 2 Nov 2016, 12:16 am
Will they will work on existing Model T....any pricing yet?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Nov 2016, 12:32 am
Will they will work on existing Model T....any pricing yet?

Hi

No sorry the magnets would be in different locations.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Armaegis on 2 Nov 2016, 01:32 am
I'm honestly not too fond of the trapezoidal shape... but can we get a side-by-side with the original?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 2 Nov 2016, 07:25 am

...first impression is that i would go for the older design :scratch:

and yes, a side by side is a good idea.

al
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Nov 2016, 11:24 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: TAVES Hi-Fi Show 2016 – Bryston Demo

 
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152935)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152934)

BRYSTON BAX-1 Digital Electronic Crossover


I ended up making it to the show on Sunday.

The Bryston room had their Model T speaker running with their new digital crossover. Triamped.

The digital crossover has their discrete input circuitry and their discrete output circuitry. Which automatically puts it a step beyond all other digital crossovers I've dealt with.

This combo ended up being one of the best sounds at the show.

I (currently) personally do not like digital crossovers, at all, as none of them are close enough to being done right. Until now.

This is the closest I've heard yet, when compared to analog/passive that is done right.


Teo Audio
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: tie_breaker on 2 Nov 2016, 06:11 pm
...first impression is that i would go for the older design :scratch:

agreed, older design....
Title: Bedrock Stands for Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: witchdoctor on 3 Nov 2016, 04:10 am
I am going through this thread reading about the Mini T and Mini A and although I don't own them I see comments about the bass, room interaction, break in periods, etc. I wanted to share a stand that will make a HUGE difference with book shelf speakers in general. I use the Bedrock Stands from Mapleshade with a three way speaker that is about the size of the Mini T and it improved the already excellent sound immensely.
Here is a link to the review I posted. The stands are still going strong. They are supporting my L and R speakers in the pic below. The tall stands are for my height channels in my auro 3D setup:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=3251.msg26863#msg26863


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152962)
Title: 3D Audio and Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: witchdoctor on 3 Nov 2016, 04:22 am
Anyone considering immersive audio via atmos, dts-x and auro 3d should consider a system of 4 mini t's , a tc 1, and then 4 mini a's as height channels either on tall stands like in my pic or wall mounted above your bed channels. I think it would be a killer setup.
James. it would make for a WONDERFUL demo at your next show or in a showroom. If you are going to add 3D audio in your next processor I would recommend including auro 3d or possibly harman's quantum logic which is only available in their pro gear so far. Atmos and DTS-X are fine for movies but lame for music upmixing.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: witchdoctor on 7 Nov 2016, 01:37 am
BTW, I just noticed the Sound and Vision review on the Mini T also liked the speakers near the floor which aligns with my suggestion of using the bedrock stands which keeps the speakers near the floor:

 "Since these hefty speakers extend quite far into the true bass region, the first order of business was to find the location for the smoothest lows.Not very surprisingly, this turned out to be rather more than 7 feet out into the room; any closer to the wall, bass emphasis tended to be problematic, a phenomenon I’ve noticed before in my room when using stand-mounted speakers with extended low end. (The Mini Ts sounded great directly on the floor, quite near the wall but well in from the corners—thus minimizing the floor-bounce-induced dip—but this was totally impractical for a home theater layout. Maybe in a music-only system with floor-cushion seating…)"

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/bryston-mini-t-speaker-system
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Nov 2016, 06:46 pm
Hi there

The finish on the A2 real wood cherry speakers what do you use to clean or replentish the shene ?

Greg Carlson



Hi Greg,

For just cleaning them Windex works well. 

To give the finish a shine lift we would suggest Meguire’s clear coat spot shine.

http://www.meguiars.com/en/automotive/products/g18116-polishing-compound/#oVSpXgAtwcWd2yuA.97

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Nov 2016, 04:27 pm
Dear Mr. Tanner:

I don't recall that we have ever met, but I've been in the audio business since 2000.

I sold Bryston from 2000-2003 when I worked at Audio/Video Showcase in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Now I am at Paragon Sight & Sound.

I was fortunate to purchase a pair of Bryston Mini T speakers from EMI systems - who was your Michigan representative. The Minis are the ideal speakers to sit at each end of my BDI low-boy stand, so I jumped at the opportunity to grab them! I cannot believe how full-range these speakers sound for the relatively small cabinet volume.

Very impressive engineering!

Ryan Hansen
Sales, System Design
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Dec 2016, 05:19 pm
Hi Pascal

How did you make out with the Mini T speakers at Audio Ark?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jan 2017, 12:08 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT:  Bryston Mini A Speaker – Customer Feedback


January 2017

Hi Folks,

Hi James

I have been listening to the Mini A speakers for about a week now. I would like to give you some of my personal feedback.

BRYSTON MINI A SPEAKERS - NATURAL CHERRY

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=156086)

These speakers have excellent imaging and the sound stage is both wide and deep. The bass is very detailed with no boomy sound. They seem to be very tolerant to speaker location not having a major impact on sound quality.

Bottom line the Mini A’s are an incredible speaker for the money.

I bought the speakers without listening to them, but spending a week with the Mini A I know I made the right decision.

I'm looking forward to getting the mini T, TC1 and the Mini T sub.

Cheers
Joe Cappello

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Jan 2017, 05:31 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T Speakers - Feedback


January 2016

Bryston Mini-T (Initial impressions)

Thanks to Ivan, I am now the proud new owner of a set of Bryston Mini-T's

I received them Friday the thirteenth (I know, if I was superstitious, I wouldn't do anything until Saturday, however I couldn't wait), took tons of pictures of the unboxing and set up, once I had them in place and ready to go, I turned on my stereo system and away we went.

I had my Sonus Faber' as my front speakers previously and a REL III for deep bass. Over the couple of years of having this set up, there was a distinct noticeable unblended sound with this configuration.

I have used my Pioneer MCACC to balance them and tuned per the directions both in the REL III manual, as well as, Simko online directions on how to properly set the REL III for harmonious play with a set of speakers.

Unfortunately, I never found a blended sound, the REL stood out by itself as it was always a noticeable separation between the two; or there was an inherent lack of bass when I de-tuned the REL to much.

Fast forward to Friday (1/13), I slowly built the Target Audio stands, even using a square to make sure the posts are all perfectly aligned. (I'm a little OCD). I then bothered Ivan trying to figure out how to properly attach the Mini-T's to these incredible speaker stands...Once I got clear guidance on how to mechanically attach the Mini-T's to the Target Audio MR stands. I set the speakers where I thought they would sound best and fired up the system. I put n a CD recommended by Ivan (Hell Freezes Over (K2 HD Master Import) and started listening, I did not use the Pioneer MCACC set up prior.

My first immediate impressions was that the REL had disappeared it had somehow disappeared or blended seamlessly into the soundstage. There was a clear harmonious sound, then the overall sound/voices/instruments were crisp, clear, and flowed smoothly out of the enclosures. I played the CD at a soft low volume to not hurt/damage the speaker (I'm nervous, never spent this kind of money for a set of speakers) I listened to the entire CD and was just amazed how it sounded...Then came a multi-channel bluray of Chris Botti at Boston, what a sonic inspiration. I can't wait for the speakers to settle in and then really enjoy the sound...I can't wait to use the Pioneer to truly set the soundstage and get the delays, the balance, and the presence set for the entire system.

Unknowingly, I started a religious war on asking a question about the speakers burn in (didn't know this was taboo, like asking what oil to use in a motorcycle on other forums) It does however make sense that the materials used in anything new require some period of time to break in, settle in, or burn in. So, I am running the Mini-T' as much as I can to get them a little loosed up to then enjoy some rather louder music.

Finally, I am just in ‘AWE’ of the incredible sound, clarity, and how the Mini-T’s immediately blended without any adjustment or modifications, I can only imagine what these speakers will do and will sound once they settle in and get configured to harmoniously integrate all the pieces to make an incredible audio and video dream...

I currently have roughly 20 hours on the speakers and they appear to be presenting a well-rounded sound, going to watch Black Hawk Down this afternoon and see how that sounds...

Joe Schmoe 
Senior Member


__________________
Equipment:
Pioneer SC-65 (as pre-amp), Anthem PVA-7, Bryston Mini-T Speakers, Sonus Faber Concertino Speakers, Sonus Faber Solo Center Channel Speaker, REL Stadium III Sub-Bass System, Oppo BDP-105 Blu-Ray, Synology DS412+, and Sonos.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jan 2017, 06:42 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: New Bryston Active Speaker Dealer


January 2017

Hi Folks,

I am very pleased to announce a dedicated Bryston Active Speaker Dealer.

Welcome to:  ‘Pulsworks Audio Arts in Saskatoon, SK’


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=156540)


David will have a fully active Bryston system on display consisting of the following:


•   Bryston Model T Active Speakers.

•   Bryston BAX 3-way Active Digital Crossover.

•   Custom Bryston three channel amplifier per speaker.


Having a dedicated listening room to allow customers to hear how much better Active Speakers can sound is paramount and I thank David for his commitment to this concept.

In a market where customers are asking for more value added from their dealer the in home active Bryston speaker system is a perfect fit.


James Tanner
Bryston
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 18 Jan 2017, 10:28 pm
James,
Are the amps built in to the speaker or external?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jan 2017, 10:39 pm
James,
Are the amps built in to the speaker or external?

External.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Jan 2017, 04:37 pm
Hi Folks,

Just a heads up - the Bryston speakers are going up about 10% next month.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 24 Jan 2017, 06:26 pm
James,

What are these "Custom Bryston three channel amplifiers".

Are they made just for the dealer, or can they be ordered.

Also Specs on them.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Jan 2017, 06:59 pm
James,

What are these "Custom Bryston three channel amplifiers".

Are they made just for the dealer, or can they be ordered.

Also Specs on them.

Hi

I wanted to have a dedicated 3 channel amplifier for the new Active Model T's so I am building an amplifier which will be the size of a current 14B.

One side will be a 7B channel and the other side will be two 4B channels. The rear panel will have 3 Balanced and single ended inputs and 3 sets of 5-way binding posts out and will be labelled Woofer/Mid/Tweeter.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Grit on 24 Jan 2017, 07:26 pm
Oooh! Could be fun for home theater (center/surround) too! That plus a 14B (or two 7B's) would cover all my music AND home theater desires for a LONG time!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 24 Jan 2017, 08:42 pm
Hi

I wanted to have a dedicated 3 channel amplifier for the new Active Model T's so I am building an amplifier which will be the size of a current 14B.

One side will be a 7B channel and the other side will be two 4B channels. The rear panel will have 3 Balanced and single ended inputs and 3 sets of 5-way binding posts out and will be labelled Woofer/Mid/Tweeter.

james

So you would need 2 of these.

That would mean the cost would be around 20K just for the two amplifiers.  :o

Plus the cost of the active crossover...


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Jan 2017, 10:27 pm
So you would need 2 of these.

That would mean the cost would be around 20K just for the two amplifiers.  :o

Plus the cost of the active crossover...

Yes plus the Model T speakers would put a state of the art active system at about $30,000 - a bargin !!!

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: adol290 on 25 Jan 2017, 05:16 pm
James,

Can the BAX 3-way Active Digital Crossover be ordered now.

What is the retail price?

Will there be a program to trade in our external crossovers...
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jan 2017, 06:22 pm
James,

Can the BAX 3-way Active Digital Crossover be ordered now.

What is the retail price?

Will there be a program to trade in our external crossovers...

Hi

The crossovers are almost ready - have 6 on order - be about 3 more weeks.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jan 2017, 01:47 pm
Hi Folks,

Just a note to update the progression of the impression, as well as, the break in period on my new Bryston Mini T Speakers.

The sound is getting richer, volume (technically gain) is increasing with no noticeable distortion, all instruments sound like they are right in front of me; as if being at a concert. Currently, I'm listening to the McIntosh SACD DSD demo on the Oppo. Each instrument can be singled out, the lows are low and the highs are high crisp and all of it is clear as a Caribbean scuba dive.

Seems like the speakers are loosening up and the sound is enveloping me and the room. The REL III has disappeared, still blending perfectly with the lows of the Mini-Ts. There is no harsh separation between them anymore.

It is sonic bliss!

Once, I save up another $1000 I'll re-wire my room with Blue Jean cables, I'll Bi-Amp my Mini-Ts. Turns out my Pioneer SC-65 is capable of this function if not running a 9.2 set up; which I'm not nor plan too. So Bi-Amp and a 7.1 set up will be my final configuration for a while until my wallet heals...

So thank you, Ivan you were spot on with your assessment of my audio gear and it working well with the Mini-Ts...

Joe Schmoe 
Senior Member

__________________
Equipment:
Pioneer SC-65 (as pre-amp), Anthem PVA-7, Bryston Mini-T Speakers, Sonus Faber Concertino Speakers, Sonus Faber Solo Center Channel Speaker, REL Stadium III Sub-Bass System, Oppo BDP-105 Blu-Ray, Synology DS412+, and Sonos.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: martydmnt on 26 Jan 2017, 03:07 pm
Yes plus the Model T speakers would put a state of the art active system at about $30,000 - a bargin !!!

Bargain is relative, but $30k is 5-10x less than some of the "statement" speakers that the various audio magazines reported on at CES!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jan 2017, 03:14 pm
Bargain is relative, but $30k is 5-10x less than some of the "statement" speakers that the various audio magazines reported on at CES!

HI

Yes thats my point - when you look at what improved performance level is possible with a well designed active system $30,000 is very reasonable in the scale of things.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Feb 2017, 01:04 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT:  Bryston A1 Speaker – Customer Feedback

February 2017

Hi James

Love the Bryston A1 speakers.  They sound great! You guys did a great job developing these.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=158301)

I had (EDIT) speakers before these but I think I did things a little backwards. 

I purchased the (EDIT) speakers not expecting to change my system.  My wife then suggested that I upgrade the rest of the stereo.  After a lot of research, I then purchased the Bryston Pre-Amp and Power Amp. The (EDIT) speakers were very bright.

Then I purchased the Bryston A1 speakers and there was a noticeable improvement from first listening.  The high frequency was improved and much better base and mid-range.  Probably the better base and mid-range had as much to do with the improvement as anything else simply because I am hearing more of the music (at least that’s my thought and I am no expert. 

I just know what I like in sound and what I don’t).  I purchased the speakers at Audio Eden in Aurora.  They were great to work with.

I had not experienced the “bright” sound before so I googled it on the internet and found that I was not the only person to fall into this trap.  I tried all the simpler fixes such as interconnect cables etc.  Finally decided that I needed to change the speakers. 

Glad I did!

George
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: stereobear on 17 Mar 2017, 09:45 pm

I am considering either the A2 or Middle T speakers.  What are the sound differences between these different models?

My room is 11 feet by 16 feet by 8 feet.  Which speaker would be more appropriate?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Mar 2017, 11:48 pm
I am considering either the A2 or Middle T speakers.  What are the sound differences between these different models?

My room is 11 feet by 16 feet by 8 feet.  Which speaker would be more appropriate?

Hi Stereobear

They are very close in that the sound power response is almost identical. 

The A2 will play louder with less distortion due to the extra Tweeter and Mid but the Middle T will go lower and have a bit more resolution and micro detail through the audio band.

So a lot will depend on the type of music you generally listen too and the levels you listen at.

Its not a big room so I do not think either speaker would ever be stressed.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: stereobear on 17 Mar 2017, 11:57 pm
James, thanks for your reply.

I listen to all types of music and do not play loud.

Do both the A and T models use the same tweeters and mid-range drivers?

My small room will not get overloaded by too much bass or sound boomy with either speaker?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: srb on 18 Mar 2017, 12:08 am
... but the Middle T will go lower ...

I see that the Middle T has 2 X 8" woofers (and ~ 10% more enclosure volume) vs. the A2's 2 X 6.5" woofers, yet the specifications show the A2 has an F3 of 31Hz vs. the Middle T F3 of 33Hz ?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 18 Mar 2017, 12:28 am
James, thanks for your reply.

I listen to all types of music and do not play loud.

Do both the A and T models use the same tweeters and mid-range drivers?

My small room will not get overloaded by too much bass or sound boomy with either speaker?

That was my concern when I bought the Model T, that they would overload the room, which wasn't the case. But your room is about 1/2 the size of mine. So knowing the kind of bass the 8" driver puts out, IMO I'd opt for the A2 with the smaller drivers, which should be more articulate. As well with higher resolution recordings such as with the BCD-3, that generates more heat, dual drivers and tweeters, would better handle heat.

But you say you don't play your music loud, so it's probably a none issue. :smoke:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: srb on 18 Mar 2017, 12:37 am
But your room is about 1/2 the size of mine. So knowing the kind of bass the 8" driver puts out, IMO I'd opt for the A2 with the smaller drivers, which should be more articulate.

That plus the fact that the A2 is only ~ 60% of the cost of the Middle T (in the US) should help make the choice a lot easier.  ;)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Mar 2017, 12:59 am
James, thanks for your reply.

I listen to all types of music and do not play loud.

Do both the A and T models use the same tweeters and mid-range drivers?

My small room will not get overloaded by too much bass or sound boomy with either speaker?

Hi

The Sound Power is very even on both speakers so I do not think you will find either one would overload your room. 

Yes all the drivers in all the speakers are identical. I wanted a customer to choose the speaker based on Application and budget rather than differences in Quality.

I have the A2 and the Middles in my second room and I alternate them in and out and they are more similar than different but I do give the Middles the advantage at resolving small differences but it is not night and day.  The Middles do have lower bass output with less distortion though due to the two 8 inch woofers and the cabinet is much more robus which provides a bit more articulation in the bass range. .


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=159384)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Christo22 on 26 Mar 2017, 12:45 pm
James,

I have at home a nice pair of Mini Tz (walnut) on MR60.
I'm using as of now a 4b3 but I'm considering the 7b3s...
What you think?
I have seen on page 123 or 124 a nice setup with the Mini Tz and the the 7b3...
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bud1451 on 26 Mar 2017, 04:26 pm
I've been using the 4b3 powering my Model t with great results...no need to upgrade to 7b. Previously I was using an older 14bst, the highs of course are much better, more detail & smoother. The most surprising thing was the bass....as good if not better than the older 14b and seems to go louder also.
My mini Ts should arrive this week for a second system, I will be using 4b3 to power them
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Mar 2017, 06:24 am
James,

I have at home a nice pair of Mini Tz (walnut) on MR60.
I'm using as of now a 4b3 but I'm considering the 7b3s...
What you think?
I have seen on page 123 or 124 a nice setup with the Mini Tz and the the 7b3...

Hi Christo

I use the 7B's with the Mini T's at audio shows and its a great combination.  How big is your room?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Christo22 on 27 Mar 2017, 10:40 am
Hi Christo

I use the 7B's with the Mini T's at audio shows and its a great combination.  How big is your room?

james

Not the greatest. It is dedicated but I would say 10x11 with 9' ceilling.
Unless you suggest otherwise, after reading a few things on the weekend, I have the impression now that the 4b3 is probably more suitable considering the room factor...
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Mar 2017, 11:30 am
Not the greatest. It is dedicated but I would say 10x11 with 9' ceilling.
Unless you suggest otherwise, after reading a few things on the weekend, I have the impression now that the 4b3 is probably more suitable considering the room factor...

In that size a room I would agree - sitck with the 4B.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bjc on 6 Apr 2017, 06:59 pm
Hi James,

               It was nice talking to you at the Salon Audio de Montréal. Your demo room, the Model T with the active crossover was awesome. IMO the best sound of all the rooms and by far ! Congratulations !

jc
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Apr 2017, 07:13 pm
Hi James,

               It was nice talking to you at the Salon Audio de Montréal. Your demo room, the Model T with the active crossover was awesome. IMO the best sound of all the rooms and by far ! Congratulations !

jc

Thanks JC - much appreciated - Active systems really do take the performance up a notch  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 7 Apr 2017, 02:57 pm
just added a Manley chinook phono stage with phillips tubes to my system. The large soundstage produced has raised the performance of my 2 year old Mini T's to a new height. The Manley is an incredible performer and combined with the Mini T's is.......well.....WOW. If you have a turntable and Bryston speakers, you owe it to yourself to try one out.

(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss123/gene9p/IMG_20170323_110819849.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/gene9p/media/IMG_20170323_110819849.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Wahid Ullah on 10 Apr 2017, 03:20 am
Hi James, I am seriously considering a purchase of one pair of Model T signature for a room sized 16x13x8. Given the smaller size of my room will it be a good fit? Also, my other equipment in the set up are: McIntosh MC452 amp with 2 x 450w capability. Is that enough power to drive the Model T's? My preamp is McIntosh C52 and Turntable is Clearaudio Ovation with Universal tonearm and Lyra DeLos cart. My CD/SACD player is Oppo BDP 105D. Will this equipment and Model T go well together? Thanks in advance for your help with this! Wahid Ullah
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Apr 2017, 10:00 am
Hi James, I am seriously considering a purchase of one pair of Model T signature for a room sized 16x13x8. Given the smaller size of my room will it be a good fit? Also, my other equipment in the set up are: McIntosh MC452 amp with 2 x 450w capability. Is that enough power to drive the Model T's? My preamp is McIntosh C52 and Turntable is Clearaudio Ovation with Universal tonearm and Lyra DeLos cart. My CD/SACD player is Oppo BDP 105D. Will this equipment and Model T go well together? Thanks in advance for your help with this! Wahid Ullah

Hi Wahid

The rest of your equipment would work fine with the Model T's. 

What speaker have you used in that room and did you have any issues with it?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Rider20 on 21 Apr 2017, 12:17 am
Hi James,

I just purchased a Bryston AC1 Micro center channel (and probably soon to be a pair of Mini A's as well) and had a couple questions about it. Firstly, I was just curious how long of a break-in period you recommend until it's at it's final sound? And secondly, the AC1 Micro is a larger sized center channel with a bit larger size drivers than I am currently using, yet the AC1 Micro is only rated down to 95Hz while my smaller center is good down to 75-80Hz. Would the AC1 Micro not be able to be crossed over at 80Hz in my receiver like I use now with my current, smaller center channel?

P.S. FANTASTIC speakers by the way!!

Thanks for any advice you can give,
Rider.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Apr 2017, 12:37 am
Hi James,

I just purchased a Bryston AC1 Micro center channel (and probably soon to be a pair of Mini A's as well) and had a couple questions about it. Firstly, I was just curious how long of a break-in period you recommend until it's at it's final sound? And secondly, the AC1 Micro is a larger sized center channel with a bit larger size drivers than I am currently using, yet the AC1 Micro is only rated down to 95Hz while my smaller center is good down to 75-80Hz. Would the AC1 Micro not be able to be crossed over at 80Hz in my receiver like I use now with my current, smaller center channel?

P.S. FANTASTIC speakers by the way!!

Thanks for any advice you can give,
Rider.


Hi Rider

I would say about 30- 50 hours generally for break-in.

Sure you can crossover at 80Hz.  The crossover recommendation is just a guide so the there is some leeway available.

I agree its a superb speaker and when you get the Mini A's it is a great match with a soundstage to die for  :thumb:

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Rider20 on 21 Apr 2017, 01:00 am

Hi Rider

I would say about 30- 50 hours generally for break-in.

Sure you can crossover at 80Hz.  The crossover recommendation is just a guide so the there is some leeway available.

I agree its a superb speaker and when you get the Mini A's it is a great match with a soundstage to die for  :thumb:

james

Nice, thanks James!

I defeat the crossover on my subwoofers and let the receiver handle it, so I just wanted to be sure that the gap in between the 80Hz crossover and the Micro's 95Hz extension would not be lost and not played by either the speakers or the sub. But if the Micro is still good down to 80Hz, then that's the crossover I'll use, as I didn't want my new center speaker to be cutoff higher than my old one :wink:

Definitely my top choice of the 30+ different speaker's I've listened to over the last 8 months!

Thanks again,
Rider.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Christo22 on 24 Apr 2017, 02:24 am
In that size a room I would agree - sitck with the 4B.

james


Thanks James.
I kept my 4b3 but changed my BP17 for a BP26... ;)
Now I'm looking at upgrading my MINI Ts for your MODEL Ts or MIDDLE Ts.
I would however prefer the MODEL Ts...
Room as I wrote earlier is 10x11 with 9' ceiling. Two questions:
1- Would the MODEL Ts be too big? And what about the standoff from the wall considering the "small room"? I read in the previous pages "a couple of feet"... I have acoustic panels that I could relocated if needed...
2- Tweeters at ear level... with the Middle Ts, Tweeters would be just perfect for my seating position. But with the MODEL Ts, Tweeters will be higher than ear level. What you think?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Apr 2017, 10:42 am

Thanks James.
I kept my 4b3 but changed my BP17 for a BP26... ;)
Now I'm looking at upgrading my MINI Ts for your MODEL Ts or MIDDLE Ts.
I would however prefer the MODEL Ts...
Room as I wrote earlier is 10x11 with 9' ceiling. Two questions:
1- Would the MODEL Ts be too big? And what about the standoff from the wall considering the "small room"? I read in the previous pages "a couple of feet"... I have acoustic panels that I could relocated if needed...
2- Tweeters at ear level... with the Middle Ts, Tweeters would be just perfect for my seating position. But with the MODEL Ts, Tweeters will be higher than ear level. What you think?

Hi Christo

How do the Mini T's sound in that room?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Christo22 on 24 Apr 2017, 10:48 am
Great actually. You guys did a great job with that series.
MR60 however were I would say 6 inches to high.
MR50 might have been better.
MIDDLE Ts have that 6 inches less right out the box.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Apr 2017, 11:49 am
Great actually. You guys did a great job with that series.
MR60 however were I would say 6 inches to high.
MR50 might have been better.
MIDDLE Ts have that 6 inches less right out the box.

Ok the smallest room I have used the Model T in is 13 x 11 x 8 and I used the long wall.  Here is a pic of that setup:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=161328)

This is a Active system.

It worked well but I ended up using some tube traps in the corners behind the speakers.

I assume you like a higher soundstage based on your speaker stand remarks so the Model T will certainly give you that effect as they act like a line source.  The dispersion from the Model T's is very good so once you get back about 6 feet all the drivers integrate very well so even though the tweeters are high they will sound very balanced.

My only concern is bass build up in the room so in that regard the Middle T's will sound very similar to the Mini T but with a little more bass articulation and less distortion through the bass range due to the double woofer.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Christo22 on 24 Apr 2017, 01:32 pm
Alright.
I'm also using the long wall and I’m indeed at approx 6-7 feet from the drivers.
Just in case, I will make certain to ask for the PORT PLUGS.
And will play with my acoustic panels (absorption) setup.
Bottom line and if I read you well, you don’t see any problem going big with the MODEL T right?

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Apr 2017, 05:27 pm
Alright.
I'm also using the long wall and I’m indeed at approx 6-7 feet from the drivers.
Just in case, I will make certain to ask for the PORT PLUGS.
And will play with my acoustic panels (absorption) setup.
Bottom line and if I read you well, you don’t see any problem going big with the MODEL T right?

Only the concern about bass but if you have the flexibility of placement and treatment you should be fine.

Let me know when you order and I will try to speed it up for you.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 27 Apr 2017, 07:49 pm
Still singing .......with apologies to Montreal fans and Ottawa fans shortly.... lol

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Apr 2017, 08:42 pm
Wow - what a great setup !

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: yvolpe on 10 May 2017, 08:52 pm
Hi
I'm the proud owner of a pair of A2. For a center channel which one is better for a tone match with the A2. The Ac1 mini or the Ac1 micro ?

Thanks

Yves
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 May 2017, 09:04 pm
Hi
I'm the proud owner of a pair of A2. For a center channel which one is better for a tone match with the A2. The Ac1 mini or the Ac1 micro ?

Thanks

Yves


Hi Yves - the AC1 Mini.

How do you like the A2's?

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: yvolpe on 10 May 2017, 09:50 pm
Thanks Mr. Tanner for your quick response. I like my A2 very much. Good base, large sound stage.I really enjoy them!

Yves
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 May 2017, 10:48 pm
Thanks Mr. Tanner for your quick response. I like my A2 very much. Good base, large sound stage.I really enjoy them!

Yves

Hi Yves

Great!  I think they are exceptional  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: NavyDoc on 14 May 2017, 05:29 pm
James,

I have just started getting serious about two channel audio after several years of being sidetracked by home theater (now HT system is complete 7.2.4). I have been reading so many Bryston threads and reviews that it's all starting to blur.

Two quick questions. Will the Middle T be available active (nice name as I did polyoma virus research in grad school and the middle T gene was part of my dissertation)? Second, will Bryston be at Captal Audiofest this year?

Thanks,
Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 May 2017, 07:22 pm
James,

I have just started getting serious about two channel audio after several years of being sidetracked by home theater (now HT system is complete 7.2.4). I have been reading so many Bryston threads and reviews that it's all starting to blur.

Two quick questions. Will the Middle T be available active (nice name as I did polyoma virus research in grad school and the middle T gene was part of my dissertation)? Second, will Bryston be at Captal Audiofest this year?

Thanks,
Steve


Hi Steve

Yes we have had some demand for a Middle T Active and we just finished this last week writing the software for the Middle T in the anechoic chamber for the BAX crossover.

We are in Munich next week and LA the week (with the debut of the Active Middle T) then Rocky Mountain and Toronto in October.

james

 

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: NavyDoc on 14 May 2017, 11:25 pm

Hi Steve

Yes we have had some demand for a Middle T Active and we just finished this last week writing the software for the Middle T in the anechoic chamber for the BAX crossover.

We are in Munich next week and LA the week (with the debut of the Active Middle T) then Rocky Mountain and Toronto in October.

james

Thanks James, I think I will try to make AXPONA next year. An active Middle T could be one sweet speaker!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 May 2017, 11:40 pm
Thanks James, I think I will try to make AXPONA next year. An active Middle T could be one sweet speaker!

Hi

Yes until you hear what a good Active system can do you do not know what your missing  :thumb:

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: NavyDoc on 14 May 2017, 11:52 pm
Hi

Yes until you hear what a good Active system can do you do not know what your missing  :thumb:

james

I agree completely! My HT speakers are diy JBL/dbx/Crown three way active speakers, the sound in phenomenal. But for two channel system I want a level of refinement that only true expertise can deliver.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: witchdoctor on 15 May 2017, 01:04 am
Hi

Yes until you hear what a good Active system can do you do not know what your missing  :thumb:

james

I was really lucky when I was just getting into the hobby I read a really good review on a pair of active speakers and got a pair. Then I decided to go 5.1 and now 14.1, all active. Each speaker is individually biamped internally. I would have had to buy 28 channels of amplification with passive speakers to even begin to replicate this. If you have a choice go the active route :thumb:
You end up having more flexibility, not less and will save tons of cash on amps and speaker cables.

I was watching Roger Waters The Wall yesterday in Dolby Atmos. Playing it at concert levels was so incredibly lifelike. There is a scene near the end of the concert where "the wall" comes crashing down and with all of that power in the active system it was like an earthquake in a condo.


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: NavyDoc on 15 May 2017, 06:14 pm
Three active Middle T's with four active Mini T's would be incredible. :o
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: witchdoctor on 15 May 2017, 08:26 pm
Three active Middle T's with four active Mini T's would be incredible. :o

+1 The Mini T already goes down to 33 hz, an active version would definitely go down below 30 hz giving it potential bass extension of a floor stander in a fairly small package.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: NavyDoc on 5 Jun 2017, 05:14 pm
James,

Will there be an active Mini T in the future?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Jun 2017, 05:15 pm
James,

Will there be an active Mini T in the future?

HI

I am thinking about it depending on how things go with the Model T and Middle Active versions.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: NavyDoc on 6 Jun 2017, 12:39 am
HI

I am thinking about it depending on how things go with the Model T and Middle Active versions.

james

I hope they sell well for you. After building 3-way active speakers for home theater i just cannot go pack to inductors, resistors, and capacitors for signal shaping.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DogsPart2 on 7 Jun 2017, 07:58 pm
After all this time, all the accolades and all the research, I finally pulled the trigger on a new pair of Mini T speakers this afternoon.
THey received the wife's seal of approval from an aesthetic point of view. Looking forward to receiving them soon.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Jun 2017, 08:30 pm
After all this time, all the accolades and all the research, I finally pulled the trigger on a new pair of Mini T speakers this afternoon.
THey received the wife's seal of approval from an aesthetic point of view. Looking forward to receiving them soon.

Hi

That's great !!! :thumb:  I am sure they will live up to their billing.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jun 2017, 01:15 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT:  Bryston Mini A – L.C.R. Review


June 2017


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164120)


Bryston’s Mini A Bookshelf And AC-1 Micro Centre Channel
   
The Mighty Minis

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164119)

Many AV enthusiasts would agree that by far the most critical speakers in any home cinema setup would be the three speakers up front which consist of both left and right channels along with the center channel which anchors the sound to the image on screen. Some would argue that a subwoofer would be the most valued component in a system, but without these three channels performing to par, the entire shebang would be a total let down. After all, the main focus on sound when it comes to any movie would be to deliver intelligible dialogue, together with a detailed albeit powerful main score and effects for the entire film.

Bryston, a brand synonymous with delivering high powered, heavy hitting and “tank like” construction Hi-Fi equipment which are all revered in its own right, has also produced the AC-1 Micro which was specifically built to be a center channel to complement the Mini A bookshelf speakers. The Mini A’s which are known in the Hi-Fi realm for delivering transparent, detailed and highly enjoyable sound proves to be an excellent choice to be utilized in a home cinema setup when paired with the AC-1 Micro. The two speakers are quite well matched both in size, build and sonic characteristic as to be used as a system to line the front of your home cinema system.
 
The AC-1 micro is a two way design speaker utilizing 3 drivers. A single 1 inch tweeter paired up with dual 5.25 inch mid-bass woofers. The entire cabinet of the speaker is rather diminutive at a width of 17 inches and a height of 7.5 inches. It’s also worth noting that the AC-1 Micro is a sealed design with only the speaker terminals at the back, making the speaker a lot more forgiving when it comes to placement and positioning. The cabinet also matches the aesthetics of the Mini A bookshelf’s, employing the same chamfered edges, lining the longest side of the speaker which in the case of the AC-1 runs perpendicular to the Mini A for a somewhat coherent look.

The front and rear of the Bryston Mini A.  Note the bi-wirable speaker terminals and unique bass port the latter designed to minimise low frequency chaffing

The front and rear of the Bryston Mini A. Note the bi-wirable speaker terminals and unique bass port the latter designed to minimise low frequency chaffing
 
Unlike the Mini A with its lower 87 dB sensitivity, the AC-1 is a little more sensitive with a higher rating of 90 dB.  It is also a little more powerful with a maximum handling ability of 200 watts. Irrespective of these specifications, the AC-1 is a perfect complement to the Mini A especially when used in a multichannel home theater setup. Even though different when it comes to their driver configuration as well as their driver dimensions, the individual characteristics of these speakers come together to create a complete cohesive image.
 
The mini A which is a 3 way design speaker and is ported at the rear, work wonderfully to deliver a full bodied, weighty sound which is in stark contrast to their smallish size. Bass response is also particularly good with the rear ports of the Mini A effectively going deep without bloating or muddling the sound. Overall the 3 speakers work together seamlessly handling sharp dynamic shifts well, while keeping each particular sound in the right place at the right levels. The sense of scale and authority that these little boxes are capable of is pretty impressive as they are capable of filling a large room with sound effortlessly.
 
These little wonders from Bryston are a titanic step up in performance when compared to the usual home theater in a box solutions as well as even most basic separates systems.

The asking price for the Mini A and the AC-1 might seem like a sizeable sum, but when you take into account the solid build, high performance and ridiculously confident warranty, the Bryston speakers do come off as a pairing of great value. The pedigree that Bryston delivers with the Mini A and AC-1 suggests that these speakers are also capable of lasting through a number of receiver upgrades before needing to be swapped out themselves as the extent of their abilities are pretty far reaching.

This combo is one that is designed to deliver astonishing performance at a great value in a package that’s small yet pleasing to the eyes.
 
Article by Venoth Nair

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Rider20 on 23 Jun 2017, 12:12 am
Hi James, I'm curious...

Is it possible to purchase a single Mini A bookshelf speaker to use as a center channel?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jun 2017, 12:35 am
Hi James, I'm curious...

Is it possible to purchase a single Mini A bookshelf speaker to use as a center channel?

Yes that is doable.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Rider20 on 23 Jun 2017, 05:33 am
Yes that is doable.

james

That's great James, thanks! One other question for you, kind of a strange one so bear with me...

Would there be any downside or negative effects to using the Mini A (as a center channel) upside down so that the tweeter is at the bottom and the 6.5" driver is at the top?

The reason is that I have my center channel mounted above the TV, and setting the Mini A upright on top of the screen will put the tweeter a fair distance above the screen. Setting the speaker upside down would bring the Tweeter much closer and have less disconnect from the image on-screen.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jun 2017, 10:27 am
That's great James, thanks! One other question for you, kind of a strange one so bear with me...

Would there be any downside or negative effects to using the Mini A (as a center channel) upside down so that the tweeter is at the bottom and the 6.5" driver is at the top?

The reason is that I have my center channel mounted above the TV, and setting the Mini A upright on top of the screen will put the tweeter a fair distance above the screen. Setting the speaker upside down would bring the Tweeter much closer and have less disconnect from the image on-screen.

Hi Rider

No problem at all reversing the speaker position.  All Bryston speakers are designed to have excellent on and off axis dispersion so that allows for great flexibility in placement.  In fact some customers have even used the Mini A in a horizontal position.

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Rider20 on 24 Jun 2017, 05:10 am
Hi Rider

No problem at all reversing the speaker position.  All Bryston speakers are designed to have excellent on and off axis dispersion so that allows for great flexibility in placement.  In fact some customers have even used the Mini A in a horizontal position.

james


Awesome, that helps a lot.

Horizontal placement of the Mini A above the TV would probably make for a more convenient option than setting it upside down, thanks for the suggestion!! :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Jun 2017, 11:13 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Vancouver HI-Fi Center Audio Show


June 2017

Hi Folks,

Great Bryston Active speaker setup and sound at our dealer in Vancouver:

Hi-Fi Center

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164392)

This is a full Active Bryston system:

•   Model T Active Speakers

•   BAX-1 Active Digital Crossover

•   14B Cubed Amplifier

•   7B Cubed Amplifier (2)

•   4B Cubed Amplifier

•   BP26 Preamplifier

•   BDP-2 Digital Player

•   BDA-3 DAC

•   BIT 20 Isolation Transformer’


As one customer commented – “I WANT IT ALL!”

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Jul 2017, 02:04 pm
Hi James

Have had the Model T Mini speakers for over a year now; used with tube amps.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164868)


I very much like these for classic/jazz and large scale vocal performances.

I am 71 years of age and have had many speakers over the years.  I never lost my love and appreciation for the venerable AR 3a.  So much has come and gone from my little gray cells- but the sound of that speaker system will always be with me- especially its understated and accurate bass. 

Those (not so mini) T's  come very close in many respects.

Thanks for providing a great speaker system reasonably priced!

Thank you
Jerry

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Lilian on 3 Jul 2017, 06:10 pm
Hello James,

I would like to know if Bryston speakers A2 have similar problems as Revel F206, as it was mentioned here:

>>The Revels don’t lose control but mandate attention of their distance from the seat. They should be at least 2.5m away and preferably more than 3 meters. Only then do all these drivers cohere to stop telegraphing separately. With proper positioning it’s then difficult to identify the crossover points between drivers.""

My distance of speakers from the seats is 2,5 m in my room.

I would very appreciate if you help me as I have no ability to try it at home and listen it live.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Jul 2017, 06:32 pm
Hello James,

I would like to know if Bryston speakers A2 have similar problems as Revel F206, as it was mentioned here:

>>The Revels don’t lose control but mandate attention of their distance from the seat. They should be at least 2.5m away and preferably more than 3 meters. Only then do all these drivers cohere to stop telegraphing separately. With proper positioning it’s then difficult to identify the crossover points between drivers.""

My distance of speakers from the seats is 2,5 m in my room.

I would very appreciate if you help me as I have no ability to try it at home and listen it live.

Hi Lilian

The A2 you need to be about a meter away.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 4 Jul 2017, 02:28 am
I am using a Parasound A21 250 watts per channel , 400 at 4 ohms,amp with my Mini t's. I have an opportunity to trade in for a new  McIntosh 152 amp that delivers 150 per channel regardless of 2, 4, or 8 ohms load. Would this work with the speakers or is it better to keep the  A21?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TJ-Sully on 8 Jul 2017, 02:46 pm
I am using a Parasound A21 250 watts per channel , 400 at 4 ohms,amp with my Mini t's. I have an opportunity to trade in for a new  McIntosh 152 amp that delivers 150 per channel regardless of 2, 4, or 8 ohms load. Would this work with the speakers or is it better to keep the  A21?

G9P,  if i may, I would suggest considering the purchase of a Bryston 3B or 4B (200 or 300 wpc) over the Mac.  Obviously, the bryston amps are well matched to the Mini T's. cheers, TJ
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 9 Jul 2017, 01:54 pm
thanks...I have been considering that option as well..
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Jul 2017, 03:12 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT:  Bryston Mini T Speaker – Customer Feedback


July 2017

Hi Folks,

My new Bryston Mini T speakers arrived earlier today and playing solo piano and guitar CDs most of the day, however I did sneak in some Sinatra/Jobim.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166181)

Damn impressive right outta the box.

Nice soundstage and smooth highs, which I am sure will improve with time.

Well done Bryston.


UPDATE:   

After almost a week and 35 or so hours on these bad boys, gotta say:

•   DAMN FINE BOXES!

They sound great with my MA6600. Could not be happier with this addition. They continue to impress with every listen.

Humbuster
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: brwsaw on 31 Jul 2017, 05:04 am
I like that stand. Visually they go well together.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Jul 2017, 10:27 am
I like that stand. Visually they go well together.

Thanks - its the Target stand.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mav52 on 7 Aug 2017, 04:45 pm
The Axiom drivers are all excellent in design and are all custom to Axiom speakers. I looked around a lot for a partner on this and I was mighty impressed with the Axiom company and the science behind there loudspeakers (they even have their own Anechoic Chamber in the factory).  Also the engineer behind a lot of the Mirage products (API) is now one of the designers at Axiom and I am working with him on this project.

The comments are indicative though of how people just dismiss a product like Axiom because it does not appear to cost enough.  I can tell you the M80 - which I have in my room now is one hell of a speaker. :thumb:

james

James someone asked me what drivers you were using in all of your speakers, so it is Axiom for mids, tweeters and woofer
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Aug 2017, 05:10 pm
James someone asked me what drivers you were using in all of your speakers, so it is Axiom for mids, tweeters and woofer

Axiom makes the drivers for us but they are our own drivers, crossovers and cabinets.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Aug 2017, 05:27 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT:  Bryston Middle T Active … Dario in Italy

August 2017

Hi James,

I have finally had the opportunity to test for a few weeks the Bryston Active Middle T loudspeakers system.

GEAR:

•   Bryston 4B3 cubed power amp for low + another Bryston 4B3 Cubed for midrange + Bryston  2.5B3 Cubed  for the high frequencies.

•   BAX-1 Digital Electronic Crossover

•   Bryston Middle T Active Speakers

It hasn't been an easy task because for the first time in my life (I have owned a lot of expensive gear and auditioned much more at shows and at friend's homes) with this Bryston setup I kept hearing to music itself and not to the electronics involved in sound reproduction.

This to say the quality is so high in terms of timbre, with amazing dynamics and huge but believable soundstage the music really seems played as I remembered at live concerts.
All the instruments seem in the right place, perfectly located in the stage with razor shape definition.

I mainly listen to Classical music, Blues and Jazz with a strong preference to medium/small acoustic ensembles, so a performance so natural and realistic is really a must!

James, I really think going active is the future if a great leap forward in music reproduction is the final goal.

Dario Camuzzini
Italy

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TJ-Sully on 10 Aug 2017, 06:53 am
hi james


those Target stands look awesome with the Mini T's  - shown on the previous page.
Are they the MR60's?

cheers, TJ
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Aug 2017, 10:22 am
Hi

Yes the MR series - heres a better shot of my pair:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166696)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: DogsPart2 on 10 Aug 2017, 01:12 pm
Run...don't walk to your nearest dealer and pick up a pair of Mini-T speakers.  :thumb:

I am truly amazed at how good these speakers are.  There is NOTHING anywhere near their price point that comes close, IMHO.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Aug 2017, 03:20 pm
Run...don't walk to your nearest dealer and pick up a pair of Mini-T speakers.  :thumb:

I am truly amazed at how good these speakers are.  There is NOTHING anywhere near their price point that comes close, IMHO.

Hey - glad you like them - I'm biased of course but they continue to surprise me daily  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TJ-Sully on 25 Sep 2017, 11:49 pm
hi james

what's the best way to order the MR60 stands?.... I'm in  New Brunswick.

Thanks T.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Sep 2017, 12:49 am
hi james

what's the best way to order the MR60 stands?.... I'm in  New Brunswick.

Thanks T.

Email me at jamestanner@bryston.com and I will send you some info.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sweetspot on 26 Sep 2017, 12:53 am
Hi

Yes the MR series - heres a better shot of my pair:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166696)
James, Are you using an older series of Mini-t? The midrange & tweeter look different.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Sep 2017, 09:34 am
James, Are you using an older series of Mini-t? The midrange & tweeter look different.

Hi

No thats the newest version with the new tweeter - the mid has not changed - I think its just the way the light is hitting the speaker.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Oct 2017, 10:33 am
James

Speaking of World Class:

https://www.facebook.com/patrick.mattucci/videos/10212647201847660/
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 7 Oct 2017, 01:01 pm
WOW!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TJ-Sully on 13 Oct 2017, 11:45 pm
James, do you have any pictures handy of the Mini T in gloss white on the new stands? Cheers, TJ
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Oct 2017, 06:33 pm
James, do you have any pictures handy of the Mini T in gloss white on the new stands? Cheers, TJ

Hi

Sorry we do not due the Gloss anymore - we are doing painted white.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Oct 2017, 06:34 pm
Bryston Model T passive speaker review,  October 16, 2017

Last winter, I was in the market to purchase an entirely new HiFi sound system to upgrade from what I have had for many years.  My vintage walnut veneer tower speakers purchased new in 1975 were about due for replacement.  I loved everything about the my old speakers, the look in real wood veneer, the performance and how much dynamic power they put out to fill my rather large room.  And just to put the size of the room into perspective; my living room is approximately 25 feet wide, 30 feet long, the ceiling is a vaulted 18 foot high mostly glass wall to the east with a upper level balcony to the western side overhanging a 14 foot wide stone fireplace with two rooms above the living room looking down to the main space.  The north side of the room is the staircase going up to the balcony and houses the area under it with the sound system equipment and finally the southern wall is a blend of library cabinets, French doors to the outside deck and an open area leading to the back door and kitchen area.  In other words, it’s a large area with a lot of irregularities and of course I should mention wide pine wood floors. 

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=169983)

I had listened to a pair of relatively new trapezoid shaped tower speakers offered by one of the predominantly subwoofer based companies and the Bryston Middle T’s.  The Middle T’s were superior sounding, but I decided to try the ‘value’ speakers at less than half the price of the Bryston’s.  After using them for a few months, I was having some issues with my power amplifier going into over temperature protection mode on several occasions and I decide that the value speakers were too problematic for my taste.  The one speaker causing my problems was replaced by the manufacturer under warranty and I sold them right afterwards. 
I brought home a pair of Middle T’s on demo while working out my issues with the other speakers with the manufacturer for warranty replacement and was able to do a direct comparison test of the Middle T’s and my ‘value’ speakers in my very large room.  Although the Middle T sounded a little better in the demo studio, they sounded immensely superior in home with this very large room.  They put out so much forceful dynamic power; with virtually no distortion (they do run at 4 ohms vs. 8 ohms with the other speaker) the difference was quite remarkable.

After using the Middle T’s for a period of time, I was sold on them; they are perfect for my room, my listening preferences and the overall performance in terms of the sound stage and detail they present.  The only nagging thought overhanging me was should I buy these or opt for the even larger Model T.  After speaking with a number of people who were familiar with both speakers, it seemed like it was going to be a tough decision as I was told that the Model T is a lot of speaker for some rooms, perhaps too much.  In fact one opinion from a guy I know who has both speakers was that he preferred the Middle T as his room is considerably smaller than mine.  He felt the Model T overpowered his space and it was almost muddy sounding. 

I spoke with James Tanner on this subject and he felt that based on my large area, I would really benefit from the larger Model T.   As such, I decided to pull the trigger on buying a pair of Model T’s and brought in a pair of Rosewood passive Model T’s from a friend of mine who was downsizing his holdings.  I set them up in the exact position which the Middle T’s were stationed and within 5 minutes of use, I just knew these were the speaker!  The dynamic power and sound stage of music is nothing short of amazing in my room.  All frequency ranges just plain old worked; I was finding myself listening to the same music multiple times just to confirm that what I was hearing was real.  The low end is so powerful that I don’t feel any need to replace a second subwoofer which had failed earlier on; the single sub is completely adequate to round out the room acoustics.  If anything, I would most likely bring in a sub from Bryston to meld with the Model T’s. 

I did make one very interesting observation concerning use with my VPI Ares 3 turntable.  With the value speakers, I always was running into problems with excessive low frequency feedback and was finding myself dialing back the bass response to eliminate the annoyance.  However, with the Bryston Model T’s, it makes no difference as to what the low frequency level is set at or how loud I play the music, there is virtually no and I mean no low frequency feedback getting back through the turntable.  I suspect this is a question for James Tanner to address as to why, but from what I might suggest, it means that there are very minimal, if any low frequency distortion products from the Model T vs. the value speaker.

Overall, I’d not dissuade anyone from buying a Middle T, it’s a pure delight to listen to, however if you have a larger area, go for the Model T, it’s worth every penny for what it is capable of producing for raw/refined, beautiful power.    And how do they look?  Well as much as I loved my vintage walnut speakers, I just cannot take my eyes off of the Bryston’s, especially in Santos Rosewood; stunning.   So simply designed and done with taste.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bluepearl on 16 Oct 2017, 10:03 pm
Hi James, I have been considering a pair of model t to run in conjunction with a pair of Funk Audio subs, I run a 100hz 6 db high pass into my mains. I was a little surprised to see the bass drivers are crossed at 160hz on the model t, which would give the model t’s three bass drivers a small operating window (60hz +). My current 3 way speakers utilize a 400hz crossover point and I hear a good amount of tactile lower mid bass coming from the bass drivers, I am concerned that I would loose this with the model t. Why is the crossover point so low?  I recall seeing that you were running subs in your personal model t setup, any feedback is appreciated. Thanks

BP
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Oct 2017, 11:23 pm
Hi James, I have been considering a pair of model t to run in conjunction with a pair of Funk Audio subs, I run a 100hz 6 db high pass into my mains. I was a little surprised to see the bass drivers are crossed at 160hz on the model t, which would give the model t’s three bass drivers a small operating window (60hz +). My current 3 way speakers utilize a 400hz crossover point and I hear a good amount of tactile lower mid bass coming from the bass drivers, I am concerned that I would loose this with the model t. Why is the crossover point so low?  I recall seeing that you were running subs in your personal model t setup, any feedback is appreciated. Thanks

BP

Hi BP

The Bryston speakers are very unique.

The speakers are designed as a full 2-way design (tweeters and mids) and the bass units are added to augment the 2-way.  In fact there are no parts in the crossover below the roll off point of the mids - they roll off mechanically and are loaded with a sealed capsule behind the mids.  There is a huge overlap with very narrow slopes between all the drivers.  So the mids come down very low and the woofers go up very high - in other words they overlay a lot.  In fact the woofers have some energy all the way up to 800Hz and the mids have energy all the way down to 180Hz.

This gives the speakers a very coherent sound and many people comment that even with multiple drivers the speakers sound like one large driver. The sound power is very linear throughout the room so a big open stage with excellent localization of instruments is what you experience.

Ultimately is what they sound like and I have no reservations that they compete with the best available but at a price that does not require a second mortgage.

james


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bluepearl on 17 Oct 2017, 02:20 pm
Hi James, I am trying to visualize the cross over slopes that you are describing, do you have a graph showing the cross over slopes? Are the bass drivers limited by a low pass crossover or do they run wide open?

Thanks
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Oct 2017, 02:29 pm
Hi James, I am trying to visualize the cross over slopes that you are describing, do you have a graph showing the cross over slopes? Are the bass drivers limited by a low pass crossover or do they run wide open?

Thanks

Hi

The bass drivers are limited by the crossover.  It is a very different way of doing crossovers and it has to be done in compliance with the driver characteristics (no off the shelf stuff).

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bluepearl on 17 Oct 2017, 04:35 pm
James, Can I see the crossover slopes to understand how the mid and bass drivers interact?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Oct 2017, 06:41 pm
James, Can I see the crossover slopes to understand how the mid and bass drivers interact?

See below please

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=170024)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bluepearl on 17 Oct 2017, 10:56 pm
Excellent, thank you, quite interesting.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Oct 2017, 02:18 pm
Humbuster
Senior Member

I Love my not so Mini T speakers.

Continue to be amazed how good they pair with my McIntosh integrated. Soundstage is incredible and no need for sub, at least in my environment.

Cannot compehend ANY speaker at this price point sounding better.

This was my first Bryston purchase and a s much as I am a true McIntosh devotee, I may have to try a few Bryston electronics in the future. I am really impressed.
__________________
SimAudio MoonNeo 260DT & Sony PCM-R500---MC D100---MA6600---Bryston Mini T

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Nov 2017, 10:51 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Signature Speakers – Customer Feedback


November 2017

Hi James,

I just wanted to personally thank you for developing such a wonderful speaker.

My new Bryston Model T Signatures are much improved over my original Model T passives.

The veneer is gorgeous, and they sound tighter, more resolving and much more dynamic.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=171805)


Right now, my electronics are Bryston BDA-3 DAC to BP-26 preamp to 7B3 Mono Amps to Model T Signature speakers.

I’ve been talking with Mark Jones about upgrading to two more 4B3 amps and a Bryston BAX-1 Digital Active Crossover.

I’m sure the next upgrade to Active will be a huge improvement as well.

Thanks again and have a great weekend.


John Tole
s
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Spyman on 26 Nov 2017, 11:19 pm
James,

I don’t have nearly as elegant a system as that above, but I wanted to add my thanks and praise for developing such great products. I just bought a pair of Mini T’s from Audio Alternative in Ft. Collins, Colorado. I’ve had them for a week now and all I can say is, “WOW!” They replaced speakers I’ve had for 20 years. I thought I knew my music collection, but these speakers really bring out elements I’ve not heard before. They complete an almost all-Bryston system: BDP-1, BDA-1, BIT 15, 4BSST2, and a BP-26 and MPS-2. I think it’s a pretty good system! Most people who I’ve played something for agree. The most common reaction has been, “You’ve got to be kidding!” Thanks again.

Terry
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Nov 2017, 12:07 pm
James,

I don’t have nearly as elegant a system as that above, but I wanted to add my thanks and praise for developing such great products. I just bought a pair of Mini T’s from Audio Alternative in Ft. Collins, Colorado. I’ve had them for a week now and all I can say is, “WOW!” They replaced speakers I’ve had for 20 years. I thought I knew my music collection, but these speakers really bring out elements I’ve not heard before. They complete an almost all-Bryston system: BDP-1, BDA-1, BIT 15, 4BSST2, and a BP-26 and MPS-2. I think it’s a pretty good system! Most people who I’ve played something for agree. The most common reaction has been, “You’ve got to be kidding!” Thanks again.

Terry

Hi Terry

Thank you for your kind comments - I agree the Mini T is a real surprise when people hear it as it seems to deify its size when it comes to soundstage size and full range balance.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Spyman on 27 Nov 2017, 11:03 pm
I agree completely. The solid bass just seems to give solidarity to the whole frequency range. Most of the people who have heard the system can’t believe such a sound could come from a speaker that size. It’s really been fun showing them off.

Terry
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TJ-Sully on 28 Nov 2017, 11:46 pm
"...They complete an almost all-Bryston system: BDP-1, BDA-1, BIT 15, 4BSST2, and a BP-26 and MPS-2. I think it’s a pretty good system!"

Spyman, that's a damn good system!! No doubt about it. Mine is almost the same :)
BDP1, BDA2, 4BSST2, BP20, MiniT's and BIT20 arrives this week!

what are you running for speaker cables?

TJ

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Spyman on 29 Nov 2017, 10:17 pm
Thank you, TJ! I’m proud of it and I’m having a great time listening! Adding the Mini T’s has brought added pleasure to my collection.

My speaker cables are Linn K-20 cables. I had never heard of Linn cables (I thought they only made turntables), but they really made a difference when Rick from Audio Alternative fixed them up to bi-wire the Brystons.

That’s a pretty great system you’ve got yourself!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Nov 2017, 07:51 pm
Hi Folks,

Mini A speakers in White Oak and White Maple - preference?

james


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=172093)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=172094)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 30 Nov 2017, 08:27 pm
White Maple.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 30 Nov 2017, 09:42 pm
White Maple.

OMG.... :beer:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TJ-Sully on 30 Nov 2017, 11:01 pm
Looking good! i like the lower pic - is that maple? :)
Sticking with the star wars theme! I like it  :thumb:

Mini T up next!!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Spyman on 1 Dec 2017, 02:54 am
I think I like the white maple too, if those are the ones in the bottom picture.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Dec 2017, 10:07 am
I think I like the white maple too, if those are the ones in the bottom picture.

Yes the bottom picture has the white Maple in the foreground - the top picture has the Oak in the foreground.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: mr_bill on 1 Dec 2017, 03:38 pm
if you want to do an oak then a distressed oak with more of a lighter gray color tone would be really modern and nice - see Dynaudio Special Forty or Klipsch Forte III
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: servingko on 1 Dec 2017, 04:58 pm
I am liking the white on maple more as well.  Loving my Middle T's - they continue to amaze.  I waffled over the Mini T's but after figuring in a suitable stand I felt the Middle T made more sense for me.  No regrets and followed up with a TC-1 and a pair of TOW's.  Mini T's for surrounds would have been my first choice, but ascetically the TOW's where a better match.  Now I just need to finish up my room and set all of them up together!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Spyman on 1 Dec 2017, 10:47 pm
When you get everything set up, how about posting a picture?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bud1451 on 2 Dec 2017, 06:45 pm
Hi James

Where are the crossovers located in the passive model T? I would assume the individual driver units are wired in series then to the internal crossover? Do you have any pictures of the internal crossover?

Thanks
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Dec 2017, 08:19 pm
Hi James

Where are the crossovers located in the passive model T? I would assume the individual driver units are wired in series then to the internal crossover? Do you have any pictures of the internal crossover?

Thanks

Hi

Because the Speakers are made from one piece of wood and folded the crossover gets inserted prior to the fold.

I think I have some pics - will look.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Soldeed on 3 Dec 2017, 03:06 pm

What happens if you have to replace a crossover in a Model T?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Dec 2017, 03:43 pm
What happens if you have to replace a crossover in a Model T?

Hi

So far that has not happened but I am currently looking into it.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Soldeed on 3 Dec 2017, 08:08 pm

In a prior life not having access to the crossovers would be a major concern.  When issues would arise it was much easier to ship crossovers rather
than complete speakers.

After one year of Model T Bliss it is not really a concern for me.

Out of curiosity what component of the speaker is the crossover behind?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Dec 2017, 10:34 pm
From the factory:

Hi James,
 
Yes it is by removing the top two 8” woofers.  It would not be easy to do at home because all the wires are soldered to the board, but crossovers almost never fail.

 
 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 11 Dec 2017, 10:40 am
James,

any news about your T-Rex project??

thanks,

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Dec 2017, 12:38 pm
James,

any news about your T-Rex project??

thanks,

al.

Hi Al

On hold for the moment as we have so may other projects on the go.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Dec 2017, 12:26 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Audio Concepts – Dealer Feedback

December 2017

James, customer FINALLY hooked up 28B-Cube to his Bryston Model-T speakers.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=172713)

He is getting rid of his McIntosh gear on his other systems. I just had the most positive conversation I've had in a while. He is waiting for me to get him a final price on a Bryston full active system.

Thanks for letting me sell those amazing heavy black objects you designed to a very happy man.   

Brad
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bluepearl on 22 Dec 2017, 11:22 pm
Hi James. I am running dual 4BSST2 in bridge mono, any concerns driving the model T’a at a 4ohm load ?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Dec 2017, 01:05 am
Hi James. I am running dual 4BSST2 in bridge mono, any concerns driving the model T’a at a 4ohm load ?

No concern - the 4B into that load is fine.

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jan 2018, 01:15 pm
James,

I have an opportunity to pick up a set of  model T's used in my prices range and in great shape.. How much power do you need to drive these?

Thanks, TB

Hi TB

How big is your room?


Probably 22x30. These speakers are probably too big.  I am not going to blast the sound at crazy levels anyway. 

I love the sound of your speakers for the clarity. I have listened to many pricey speakers and Bryson blows the socks off most of them including B&W., Martin Logan, etc.  I have a pair of Mini Ts and am now looking for a pair of Middle Ts when a friend mentioned that he knew of a pair of model Ts in mint condition for sale. So I thought I would ask.

I just updated my power amp to the 300 watt NAD m22 v2 and thought that was too small to power them. Thanks for the reply.

Hi TB

Ok I think you will be fine for now - long term the 4B would be the perfect fit.

If your current amp is OK with the Mini T's you should be fine with the Model T's

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Soldeed on 31 Jan 2018, 01:06 pm

James

What is the Canadian MSRP on the TOW On Wall and Mini A in black?

Thanks
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Jan 2018, 01:18 pm
James

What is the Canadian MSRP on the TOW On Wall and Mini A in black?

Thanks

Hi Soldeed

Mini A is $1500 the pair  (only available in real wood now - no vinyl)

TOW - $940 Each

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Feb 2018, 12:19 pm
Hi Folks,

New setup in Room 2 - Bryston A3 Speakers with A Subs.

james


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=175799)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: veloceleste on 8 Feb 2018, 01:30 pm
Hi James. I am running dual 4BSST2 in bridge mono, any concerns driving the model T’a at a 4ohm load ?

Hi James,
Is it safe for the amps if I run 2.5BSST2 bridged into Mini T's 4 ohm load?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Feb 2018, 01:58 pm
Hi James,
Is it safe for the amps if I run 2.5BSST2 bridged into Mini T's 4 ohm load?
Thanks.

Hi

Not really recommended as the amps in bridged mode would see 2 ohms.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Feb 2018, 12:42 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Middle T – Customer Feedback

February, 2018

Hi James

Sorry for my English, with help from google...

I love my Middle T`s bought from Lyric HiFi Oslo, Norway. Great service from Haavard and Bjørn Olaf!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176058)

The Bryston Middle T replaced Audio Physic Padua R. What I liked with my AP was the 3 dimensional image and the midrange quality that was very important to me, but my AP were relaxed and undefined in the bass.

When I heard Bryston Middle T at Lyric HiFi I found a substitute that I thought I would try at home.

The sound image was 3 dimensional :-) and a midrange that I liked but the Middle T was much more articulated than the AP. The Middle T reproduced lots of micro details in my music/records that I had not heard before, and the bass is very articulated and with punch.

I'm playing today with 4B3 with the preamplifier from B135sst2. Waiting to hear matching with BP17 3 cubed, as soon as Lyric gets one in the store :-)


Best,
Jan in Norway

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Feb 2018, 08:35 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini A Speakers – Dealer Feedback

February, 2018

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176122)

James, we have a set of your amazing Bryston MiniA speakers on display (brought in several pairs for a customer's home).

WOW!!!

 I cannot believe how clear and loud they are when pushed hard. Absolutely no signs of edginess or distortion when we crank the volume up excessively loud. Customers immediately start looking for the subwoofer when we demo them.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176123)

You really seam to have addressed what has been an issue with home speakers. When you ask a customer if they are looking for SQ or SPL speakers they usually tell a fib and not to look like a Neanderthal tell us "SQ" when all we want to know is how loud they may play them.

Listening is an emotional experience and when we find a song we REALLY like we may turn it up really loud. 

Thank you for allowing our customers not just choose between "loud" or "lovely".

James, I haven't had this much fun with speakers for a long time speakers back in the day. Value, performance and excitement!

Bryston should be very proud.

Great job.

Thanks,
Brad Ferguson

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Feb 2018, 11:53 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model A1 Speaker – Customer Feedback

February, 2018

Hello James.

I can't tell you guys enough about how much I enjoy the Bryston A1 Speakers.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176174)

I've had people say the same thing. Where is the subwoofer? I understand they don't reach the lowest ranges, but what they do reach they do so well!!!  Oh, they also do the concerts so well it's unbelievable how 3D the sound is. System doesn't get in the way. Just let's it all flow through nicely.

My system currently is the Bryston BP6 Preamp, 4Bsst2 (soon 4B3 or larger cubed series), and finely, the Bryston A1's.

Please pass this feedback on to the Bryston folks and thank them for producing a new standard.

Thanks again guys for doing stuff so well!!!

Ken
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Feb 2018, 05:14 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Speakers – Customer Feedback 
 
February, 2018

Hi James,

Just purchased a pair of Bryston Model T speakers in Natural Rosewood.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176332)


I was all vintage before, Klipsch heritage speakers plus monster receivers. I just got sick of having to fix things all the time so I went more modern. Klipsch Chorus IIs were my favorite speaker but could be a tad bright and not enough bottom end.

I am currently running an integrated McIntosh MA8000 300wpc with options of 2, 4 or 8 ohms. Currently using 4ohm tap it does seem to eat a lot more juice so would you also recommend switching to 8ohm with this amp?

The Bryston Model T speakers are so easy to listen to.  Love the bottom end … here's a pic - need a new stand though - on today's agenda.

Love the speakers … they sound fantastic and look just as good!

Thanks again James,
CY

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Feb 2018, 05:15 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT:  Bryston A2 Speaker – Customer Feedback

March 2018

James

I have your A2’s set up in nearly an equilateral triangle with toe in to barely see the inside edge of the each cabinet. I was going to list all the material I covered over a two hour period, but instead will leave it generalized with rock, female and male vocals, jazz, blues and orchestral music.

Tonal balance and timbre are exceptional. Imaging dead on. The bass? Tight, punchy and deep. They aren’t at all fussy about placement that I could tell. They play loud and effortlessly. In many recordings, I just smiled to myself at the ability they have of disappearing and letting me see the event in my head—wonderful. Drums, piano, upright bass, strings, horns, you name it, they were all spot on. Transient swings were powerful and dynamic. They beg you to keep upping the volume.

I thought my old speakers were fantastic at detail retrieval, but these picked up every nuance and some I had never heard before in a natural way that was amazing. Piano sounds live and in the room with tinkling of the keys. Strings sing with a shimmering quality. Vocals are liquid and lifelike. Drums….well, you will have to hear them to believe how good they are. I could go on, but you get the idea. These Bryston A2’s replaced a pair of well-known and respected speakers from 1997 that originally retailed for $3,000 and in nearly every way the A2 bested them. I will agree with others that the A2’s are an absolute monster for the price.

James, this is a job well done and congratulations on turning out a fantastic speaker for the money. By the way, my 19 year old Bryston 4B ST never blinked and I believe could have pushed these speakers to near concert levels with ease. I was never tempted to push my preamp volume to more than -12 and really enjoying things at lower levels in the -15/18 range.

Given my experience, I would say the A2’s are in the league with speakers costing 2-3 times more.

I think that any improvement in the already very good ultra-high frequency area and you will have a “giant killer” rivaling speakers selling for even higher prices. I couldn’t be more impressed.

Thank you again, James.

Sincerely,
Jay
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Feb 2018, 10:36 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT:  Bryston A2 Speaker – Customer Feedback

March 2018

Hello James,

Sorry, my English is not good.

Maybe I will not be able to correctly describe the differences between the previous speakers I have owned and the Bryston A2.

I've bought one pair of your Bryston A2 speakers.

I have owned the Audio Physic speakers - Tempo6, Classic 10, Sitara and more. Audio Physic excels in displaying 3D space and the most delicate detail, but not in such a sweet spot as the Bryston A2. Especially the upper tweeter frequencies which are exceptionally clear and focus without any sense of sibilance.

First I have to say that in fact the A2 speaker is much more beautiful than the pictures I have seen.

It's a great sound!.

What I most appreciate about the A2’s is the dynamics, the sweet spot and the ability to play any music (rock, pop, classic).

They practically have unlimited performance without compression.

I am very happy with my A2, AC1 Mini and A Mini in my surround setup. I also bought a second-hand SP2 AV processor. Thank you for working on these great products.

I hope we will spend a long time with BRYSTON speakers and I will buy other components in the near future (speaker cables SC4, power amps, outriggers for my A2’s.

Erik B.
Slovakia
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Mar 2018, 07:38 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Our Norway Distributor – Congratulations!

March 2018

Hi Folks,

Bryston would like to formally offer our sincere congratulations to one of our Distributors.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176996)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176997)

T.A.A.IMPORT AS in Norway has now sold significant numbers of Bryston loudspeakers in their market area. 

NORWAY
T.AA.IMPORT AS
Email: BOAHS@online.no

By my reckoning, using the new math, given the population of Norway and the number of speakers sold I would say 1 in 3 people living in Norway now own Bryston speakers.

Thank you folks and all those involved ... we truly appreciate your efforts on our behalf!

James Tanner
V/P Bryston Ltd.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jay5150 on 4 Mar 2018, 06:30 pm
Hi!
I know it has been said before (can't find the page), but I was wondering if the woofer in the Bryston Mini-T is working full range.
I plan on doing horizontal biamplification with them as I have 2 of the same power amplifier, but they can't be bridged.
Also, I will start with passive biamplification, but is there a "recommanded" way if I wan't to add an active crossover (like the 10B-STD) to the speakers?
Thanks!
Jay
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Mar 2018, 07:20 pm
Hi!
I know it has been said before (can't find the page), but I was wondering if the woofer in the Bryston Mini-T is working full range.
I plan on doing horizontal biamplification with them as I have 2 of the same power amplifier, but they can't be bridged.
Also, I will start with passive biamplification, but is there a "recommanded" way if I wan't to add an active crossover (like the 10B-STD) to the speakers?
Thanks!
Jay

Hi Jay

If the Mini T you have is Passive there is no way to add an active crossover because you can not bypass the internal passive crossover.

You can passively biamp but not sure what you mean by the woofer being full range?

James

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jaybill on 5 Mar 2018, 06:15 pm
See reply #2596  :D
R.Jan
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jaybill on 5 Mar 2018, 06:37 pm
Jay5150
See reply #2596  :D what you are looking for ?
R.Jan
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jay5150 on 6 Mar 2018, 01:11 am
See reply #2596  :D
R.Jan

Thanks James and thanks jaybill. That was the post I was looking for!
Love my Mini Ts. The result with vertical biamplification is quite impressive. Seems to add more depth to the sound and to let the speakers breath even more.  :D
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: veloceleste on 7 Mar 2018, 02:48 pm
Thanks James and thanks jaybill. That was the post I was looking for!
Love my Mini Ts. The result with vertical biamplification is quite impressive. Seems to add more depth to the sound and to let the speakers breath even more.  :D
I just started vertically bi-amping my Mini-T's with two 2.5BSST2 amps and it sounds great! Tighter, punchier bass, more mid-range clarity and depth, and overall clearer sound. My favorite word to describe the Mini-T's is vivid.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jay5150 on 7 Mar 2018, 09:42 pm
I just started vertically bi-amping my Mini-T's with two 2.5BSST2 amps and it sounds great! Tighter, punchier bass, more mid-range clarity and depth, and overall clearer sound. My favorite word to describe the Mini-T's is vivid.

I agree 100% with you. Those speakers are quite forward sounding, but they sound so lively and balanced. And your experience with vertical bi-amping reflects mine. More depth, more punch, clearer bass. Everything sounds easier.

How do you like the 2.5BSST2 with your Mini T? Haven't heard them with a Bryston amp yet. I was afraid the result might have been a little bright for my taste.
Note that I just changed my setup for 2 Quad 909 amplifier to warm the sound. It feels so much smoother and easier to listen than with my previous amplifier.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: veloceleste on 8 Mar 2018, 10:05 pm
I agree 100% with you. Those speakers are quite forward sounding, but they sound so lively and balanced. And your experience with vertical bi-amping reflects mine. More depth, more punch, clearer bass. Everything sounds easier.

How do you like the 2.5BSST2 with your Mini T? Haven't heard them with a Bryston amp yet. I was afraid the result might have been a little bright for my taste.
Note that I just changed my setup for 2 Quad 909 amplifier to warm the sound. It feels so much smoother and easier to listen than with my previous amplifier.
I find the 2.5BSST2 amps neutral in character. They don't favor any particular area. Treble and  midrange are smooth, clear and without glare and the bass is tight. I originally was using a Hafler 9500 amp which is much more powerful @ 375 WPC into 4 ohms. The Hafler had great control, imaged well but was darker and a little grainier. It was also 20+ years old. I've never heard Quad amps so I don't know how they would compare to Bryston. I do know that I can and do sometimes listen for hours without fatigue.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Mar 2018, 08:02 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Speakers – Customer Feedback

March, 2018

Hi James,

It’s been 2 months since my purchase of these Bryston Model T speakers, and I am very happy.
For my other system I am running a pair of rwo/fostex Ls4 active studio monitors and McCauley 18 inch subwoofers as seen in the picture.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=177680)

For amplification I am running active 4 Bryston 7B’s lows and 2 Bryston 4B Cubed for the highs. It’s awesome sound!

I wanted a second pair of speakers I could not find anything I liked. I have had several high priced speakers come through my room and frankly they all left as nothing was satisfying me musically.

I have read so many positive reviews on the Bryston Model T that I figured I will give them a shot. I am running them with a single 4B Cube.  I feel that's all they need, more than enough power for my setup.

Overall thoughts on the Bryston Model T’s: Perfectly balanced, great bass, smooth highs, awesome sound-staging. These are not going anywhere … definite keepers, and the walnut finish is stunning.

Although there is no such thing as a perfect speaker these Model T’s do a lot of things right. I listen to them about 80 percent of the time, and when I really wanna rock out I switch over to the Fostex. Not that the Model T can’t rock out. In the end I still feel there is no replacement for displacement. That being said I dare anyone to compare the Bryston Model T to any speaker 3, 4, 5 and maybe even 6 times the price point. I have had speakers in these price points in my room and they all left … the Brystons are staying.

Good work James.

Kyle


P.S. - You know what’s funny James, as big as my setup is, the Bryston Model T’s keep up and they are very dynamic. I have never given any feedback on a product I have purchased … was not worth my time or effort. I truly am happy with this purchase - enough to give my feedback.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TJ-Sully on 19 Mar 2018, 10:31 pm
Jeeezzzzussssss that's one helluva system Kyle. I bet the Allman Brothers Band would sound killer on that setup! Well, so would everything else!  Nice!!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: kyle b on 20 Mar 2018, 05:12 pm
Thanks tj-sully,i was not aware this is where my feedback would go.a buddy called me to tell me,so I joined the circle. lots of info here I see
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Mar 2018, 05:16 pm
Thanks tj-sully,i was not aware this is where my feedback would go.a buddy called me to tell me,so I joined the circle. lots of info here I see

Welcome Kyle.  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TJ-Sully on 20 Mar 2018, 10:08 pm
Thanks tj-sully,i was not aware this is where my feedback would go.a buddy called me to tell me,so I joined the circle. lots of info here I see

Yes man, welcome Kyle. 'Ol JT is not afraid to share great systems with the Bryston Audio Heads on the Circle.   Thanks for sharing James.   :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: martydmnt on 22 Mar 2018, 03:12 pm
How do you like the 2.5BSST2 with your Mini T? Haven't heard them with a Bryston amp yet. I was afraid the result might have been a little bright for my taste.
Note that I just changed my setup for 2 Quad 909 amplifier to warm the sound. It feels so much smoother and easier to listen than with my previous amplifier.

Granted I'm listening with middle age ears, but I'd have a tough time describing the Mini T's as forward sounding. I'm running them with a B135 SST2 and find them quite balanced. I do have considerable damping in the room with couches and an area rug. They are fantastic speakers.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Apr 2018, 10:37 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T and Model T – Customer Feedback

April, 2018

James,

I have to tell you something that I am sure you know... everyone's ear is different. That being said, I have heard a lot of speakers in my time and many that I love are way out of my price range.

A really great guy from Audio Advisors who has since retired and always has given me the best advice turned me on to the Bryston Mini T's when they first came out.

No one had them that I could find in the East and i finally connected with Audio Video Therapy in Nashua , NH who by the way is  an amazing store! Talk about personal service! Mark and John are just the best! I went down to listen to them and they sounded better than speakers that cost hundreds of dollars more.

I purchased them and have been in love in my listening  ever since. Everyone who has heard them is amazed. So, I recently had a great chance to get a one year old pair of Model T' signatures from another great store in NJ. One I would highly recommend. Patrick is topnotch!

So the bottom line here is that the Bryston Model T speakers are just over the top for accuracy of sound. If you play a bad audio file, you get what you played but if you play a good one, the vocal and acoustical sound is the best I have heard.

They are phenomenal! 

Back to the Mini T's, these speakers are also amazing. I am really torn as I can't hook up both unless you have some good switch that I don't know about, but the Bryston Mini T's are the most intimate speaker I have ever heard. The Model T's are the Mini's on steroids with that great bass but I would challenge anyone to find a better speaker than the Mini’s for their size!

I guess what I am saying is thanks! I love music and these Bryston speakers have added to the enjoyment in my life significantly. Thanks for all your advice.

Tom Bacon
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Ola_S on 5 Apr 2018, 06:51 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Our Norway Distributor – Congratulations!

March 2018

Hi Folks,

Bryston would like to formally offer our sincere congratulations to one of our Distributors.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176996)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176997)

T.A.A.IMPORT AS in Norway has now sold significant numbers of Bryston loudspeakers in their market area. 

NORWAY
T.AA.IMPORT AS
Email: BOAHS@online.no

By my reckoning, using the new math, given the population of Norway and the number of speakers sold I would say 1 in 3 people living in Norway now own Bryston speakers.

Thank you folks and all those involved ... we truly appreciate your efforts on our behalf!

James Tanner
V/P Bryston Ltd.


What kind of math is that? :icon_lol: Norway has 5,3 million people  :o
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 5 Apr 2018, 09:53 pm
we need some mini t"s in white....these are awesome looking!!!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Apr 2018, 12:17 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston in Poland

April 2018

Hi Folks,

Nice to see one of Poland’s premium dealers presenting the Bryston speakers and electronics to its clientele.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=179416)

AUDIO STYL


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=179417)

Bryston is not only a recognized electronics manufacturer but also for their superb speakers.

One of the models is the Mini T we have on display in our showroom.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 May 2018, 12:33 pm
Hi Folks

After all these years some things in this hobby still surprise me.

Just for fun I set up our least expensive speaker system and I just can not believe how great it sounds. The speakers just disappear and the soundstage is huge!

Anyway just reinforces the fact that with all the angst about getting an acoustically designated listening room and all the trimmings does not guarantee sonic bliss where an old bedroom and a quick setup results in a terrific presentation  -  go figure  :scratch:


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=180220)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 19 May 2018, 02:37 pm
I have a bedroom that with very little sound power as in satellite speakers sounded great. Problem is the room is not soundproof and at the spl I listen at would be heard at the end of the street.

 Yesterday just for reference I used my computer as a source, to the BDA-1 & SP2 internal dac, with no other changes to the setup. The music sounded clinical, whereas the BCD-3 has an organic quality, the difference IMO is marginal. That difference, music played through the BCD-3, gives me sonic bliss. YMMV  :smoke:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: jay5150 on 26 May 2018, 11:52 am
Hi James,
I was wondering what would be the best way to add a Mini T Subwoofer to my Mini T speakers. The preamp I use has only 1 stereo output (going to the amp and them to the Mini T speakers). I see the Mini T Subwoofer only has a "mono" input. Is there a reason why you didn't make it stereo so we can use its internal crossover before sending the signal to the mains amplifier?
Also, would it be ok to place the Mini T speakers on a pair of Mini T Subwoofer (in a 2.2 system)? The height would be perferct and it would make it look like a floorstanding speakers without taking to much space in the room.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 May 2018, 01:35 pm
Hi James,
I was wondering what would be the best way to add a Mini T Subwoofer to my Mini T speakers. The preamp I use has only 1 stereo output (going to the amp and them to the Mini T speakers). I see the Mini T Subwoofer only has a "mono" input. Is there a reason why you didn't make it stereo so we can use its internal crossover before sending the signal to the mains amplifier?
Also, would it be ok to place the Mini T speakers on a pair of Mini T Subwoofer (in a 2.2 system)? The height would be perferct and it would make it look like a floorstanding speakers without taking to much space in the room.

Thanks!

Hi Jay

The electronic crossovers in most subs are not of the quality we thought necessary to allow the Main signal to pass through or be manipulated.

So I have used the Mini T Subs with the Mint T's in Room 2 with excellent results just letting the Mini T's run full range and bring the Mini T Subs in using their rear panel controls to allow for a smooth transition.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=180445)

I have not used the Mini T on top of the Mini T Sub but thats a neat idea but make sure you use some isolation and vibration control between the two.

james
 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Jun 2018, 06:18 pm

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=181039)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jul 2018, 08:08 pm
https://www.soundstagesolo.com/index.php/features/147-what-are-measurements-good-for
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mike-48 on 13 Jul 2018, 09:52 pm
James, thanks for posting the link to "What Are Measurements Good For?"  An excellent essay, IMO.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 30 Jul 2018, 11:34 pm
James: How do I find out which generation tweeters are in my Model T’s? Serial numbers are 44167111510101SR Right and 44167111510001SR Left.

Thanks,

Steve
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Jul 2018, 01:01 pm
James: How do I find out which generation tweeters are in my Model T’s? Serial numbers are 44167111510101SR Right and 44167111510001SR Left.

Thanks,

Steve

Hi Steve

If they have a 'mesh' around the tweeter dome then they are the new tweeters.

james

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=182930)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: scirica on 31 Jul 2018, 11:30 pm
They do. Thanks James!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TJ-Sully on 31 Aug 2018, 01:39 am
Hi James,

I used to own a pair of Mini T's and loved them. I traded them in for another brand (ATC) in an attempt to gain more midrange depth...if that makes any sense. Anyway, i've been missing the Mini's lately.

I am intrigued by the Model A's.

How would you compare the Mini T's to the Model A's in terms of soundstage, bass response, and SPL?
And...do they come in white?

Thanks as always,

TJ
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Aug 2018, 05:34 am
Hi James,

I used to own a pair of Mini T's and loved them. I traded them in for another brand (ATC) in an attempt to gain more midrange depth...if that makes any sense. Anyway, i've been missing the Mini's lately.

I am intrigued by the Model A's.

How would you compare the Mini T's to the Model A's in terms of soundstage, bass response, and SPL?
And...do they come in white?

Thanks as always,

TJ

Hi TJ

The Model A1's and A2's will play with greater SPL with less distortion than the Mini T's due to the double mids and tweets. Doubling up on drivers makes a huge difference when it comes to the ability to create real world dynamics.

Bass response will be similar with the A1's having a bit more low end capability than the Mini T's.

Sound stage is excellent on the A's due to the very small baffle so it might give the edge to the A Series when it comes to out of the box soundstage capability.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Aug 2018, 09:00 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini A Speaker – Dealer Comments

September, 2018

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183895)

Bryston Mini As are back in stock and in a new(ish) finish - Espresso Walnut. I have to say this loudspeaker is one of the best values in our store.

It seems like a good time to quote myself from way back in November of 2015.

"Every once in a while a product comes along that completely defies expectation. The Bryston Mini A is that product! ...

This modestly sized, three-way stand mount loudspeaker is remarkable in its ability to disappear.

The bass weight is fantastic considering the low end duties are left to a 6 1/2″ woofer. Coherence is another strong suit; close your eyes and you’d swear you were in front of a pair of Magnepans.
They are that good.

At $1500.00/pair, they may be over looked by some and that would be a big mistake."

Simon,
Audio Ark
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TJ-Sully on 1 Sep 2018, 12:07 am
Thanks James!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TJ-Sully on 18 Sep 2018, 12:22 am
Hi TJ

The Model A1's and A2's will play with greater SPL with less distortion than the Mini T's due to the double mids and tweets. Doubling up on drivers makes a huge difference when it comes to the ability to create real world dynamics.

Bass response will be similar with the A1's having a bit more low end capability than the Mini T's.

Sound stage is excellent on the A's due to the very small baffle so it might give the edge to the A Series when it comes to out of the box soundstage capability.

james


Hi James

I just purchased a pair of Bryston Model A1's - and after only 2 listening sessions - all I can say is WOW! These babies are the real deal.  Effortless power.  Will write more once they get settled into my room and i finish tweaking placement, etc... but super happy so far!

back to an all-bryston system once again - from source to speakers!! Love it :)

TJ
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Sep 2018, 10:52 am

Hi James

I just purchased a pair of Bryston Model A1's - and after only 2 listening sessions - all I can say is WOW! These babies are the real deal.  Effortless power.  Will write more once they get settled into my room and i finish tweaking placement, etc... but super happy so far!

back to an all-bryston system once again - from source to speakers!! Love it :)

TJ

Hi TJ

Great to hear your comments about the Bryston A1 speakers - I know it sounds ridiculous and self-serving but at this price point I truly believe our Bryston speakers rival speakers costing 2 to 3 times more.  The negative comments I get on our speakers always has to do with the more traditional cosmetics (they are not pretty enough) - but that is not what our speakers are about - they provide state of the art performance and represent incredible value. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 18 Sep 2018, 11:35 am
Exactly, I can't see my Model T's, cause they're black and I'm sitting in the dark about to crank some music. It's performance not cosmetics for me. Audiophiles would be amazed at the soundstage imaging I get from these speakers in my 8'x 11'x 25' room. :drool:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TJ-Sully on 18 Sep 2018, 08:46 pm
Hey Mag - I've got the black versions too - and very impressed with the quality of the finish - nice and smooth with evident wood grain.

Totally agree with JT and your comment - it's all about high performance and value for the money. AND the incredible 20-year warranty from a Canadian company is icing on the cake. Not to mention their stunning ability to maintain control at higher volumes.  Just FANTASTIC!  :thumb:

Thanks Bryston!

TJ

ps. try listening to "Burn One Down" from Ben Harper's Live from Mars album. The percussion / drums are so freeking real it's unbelievable. Give 'er a go!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 19 Sep 2018, 01:28 am
ps. try listening to "Burn One Down" from Ben Harper's Live from Mars album. The percussion / drums are so freeking real it's unbelievable. Give 'er a go!

Don't have that one, I've been listening to Sade (smooth jazz) lately on Youtube. I find her music to be audiophile quality and really shows off my $40,000 Bryston stereo system. :inlove:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: TJ-Sully on 19 Sep 2018, 10:03 pm
Don't have that one, I've been listening to Sade (smooth jazz) lately on Youtube. I find her music to be audiophile quality and really shows off my $40,000 Bryston stereo system. :inlove:

Mag - not sure if part of your Bryston system includes a Digital Player and DAC - but if it does - I'd recommend getting setup with Tidal/Roon. You'll have access to essentially unlimited musical selections - and at CD resolution (minimum). I believe to be very good value for the money.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 19 Sep 2018, 11:10 pm
Mag - not sure if part of your Bryston system includes a Digital Player and DAC - but if it does - I'd recommend getting setup with Tidal/Roon. You'll have access to essentially unlimited musical selections - and at CD resolution (minimum). I believe to be very good value for the money.  :thumb:

Thank you for the suggestion but streaming is not for me. I watch Youtube to find an artist I like, just placed an order for 9 blu ray titles.

For me it's the BCD-3 although I have the BDP-1. I docter music through a mixer, then I play the cd-r with the BCD-3. The result is digital music in another league, better than anything else I've heard including blu ray by a small margin.

The BCD-3 IMO is the best digital source on the market.  :smoke:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 19 Sep 2018, 11:39 pm
Mag - not sure if part of your Bryston system includes a Digital Player and DAC - but if it does - I'd recommend getting setup with Tidal/Roon. You'll have access to essentially unlimited musical selections - and at CD resolution (minimum). I believe to be very good value for the money.  :thumb:

you tube on a 40,000 dollar system... :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 20 Sep 2018, 12:10 am
you tube on a 40,000 dollar system... :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh:

Do you not know how to read?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Oct 2018, 04:06 pm

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=185550)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sweetspot on 16 Oct 2018, 07:18 pm
James, is this offer for speakers only? I'm thinking about the bcd-3.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Oct 2018, 07:25 pm
James, is this offer for speakers only? I'm thinking about the bcd-3.

HI

Speakers only.  The prices on the BCD-3 went up about 9% on October 1st.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Oct 2018, 11:30 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: First, the so called Bryston MINI TC-1 Center speaker is a JOKE!!

October 2018

First, the so called MINI TC-1 is a JOKE!!  This speaker is a far cry from being remotely a MINI anything!

The speaker is beyond gorgeous and for a center channel it fills any space, including my fireplace hearth quite nicely!

I've been a little boy at Christmas time, waiting on it to arrive, due to it being the real wood Rosewood and a custom order.

To say a center channel is a Mini that weighs in at 71lbs is a laughable!

It is amazing listening to them now, (Mini-Ts and the Mini TC-1) simply stunned on what music sounds like, or better yet, what music I’ve been missing by not having it.

As time goes by they will only get better!! The stage is front and center, it is as if I were at each venue in person. Can't wait till I can crank it p and truly feel the envelope of the sound and performances.

Never in my life (I'm 55) did I think that I would be able to own or afford world class speakers.

Bryston has stunned and shocked me on how these speakers (all 3) sound together and it just keeps getting better.

Forgive my naivety and childish enthusiasm but I am just entering this amazing sound environment! I'm giddy like a little school kid!!

Now off to musical bliss!

Joe Schmoe
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Nov 2018, 04:13 pm
THE BRYSTON SPEAKER FAMILY OF CURVES – WHAT?

Hi Folks,

Many times I get asked about the design philosophy behind the Bryston loudspeakers and what design parameters we feel are the most salient. If I had to define our mandate in a single phase it would be the ‘FAMILY OF CURVES’.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=186231)

I guess the first question is “What is the family of curves?” and what we’re looking at is a whole bunch of curves – amplitude responses – measured in an true anechoic chamber (not computer based gating systems). The speaker is measured at points all the way around (360 degrees) the cabinet horizontally and then all the way around the cabinet vertically.

The ‘family of curves’ is extremely important to the sound of a loudspeaker – it is about what you’re actually going to hear in a real listening room and how we determine that. Typically the family of curses is not discussed much and I think there are two reasons.

First there’s nothing visual about it. You can’t look at a product and say “Oh, this is going to have a particular family of curves” just by what the drivers look like, the cabinet looks like, or the components on a crossover look like. None of these things really tell you much of anything about the family of curves, so we tend to gravitate and talk about things that you can see. While that’s sensible on one hand, it doesn’t really get into the meat-and-potatoes about what makes a good-sounding loudspeaker vs a not-so-good sounding loudspeaker.

Second the family of curves is not an easy thing to measure. There are a lot of curves involved, and you really have to have an large anechoic chamber in order to take all of these curves. So it’s probably not talked about in a lot of cases because it’s probably not measured by most speaker manufacturers.

Even just looking at a simple loudspeaker – say a 2-way bookshelf speaker – you’re looking at over 150 curves in order to create the entire family of curves that you need to work with and manipulate in order to create what’s going to be the end product. You’ve got the curves of all the individual drivers, and then you’ve got the curves of the combined end product, and that’s going to give you +150 curves. Realistically, in the process of the loudspeaker design, you’re going to be doing those measurements over and over again.  You can really end up in a design with over 1,000 curves before you’re done. And that’s for a simple bookshelf speaker! If you get into a multi-driver tower, you can start multiplying that number by two, three – even four times. So it’s not a particularly easy thing to do and you need the proper tools to do it. Once it’s all done, you still have to interpret what these curves mean. They don’t have what you would call a ‘normal’ sort of visual. If you think about on-axis or a listening window curve, we’re used to just seeing something that’s reasonably linear across the bandwidth, then that represents a good frequency response. But there’s quite a bit more to it.

One of the questions people often ask is, “Why do I care what’s coming out of the bottom of the speaker or the back of the speaker when I can’t hear that?” There is a misconception that some people have that the sound comes out of the front of the speaker and that’s all we’re worried about. Well, that would be the case if we listened to speakers inside an anechoic chamber environment, where there are no reflections. But when you put the speaker in a normal room — and it doesn’t matter how much damping, or padding, or furniture, or carpet, or whatever you have in the room — you get reflections. And those reflections are not predominantly the direct signal from the speaker, it’s all of these off-axis measurements, all these positions that cause reflections coming all the way around the speaker including behind it. Even though there’s no drivers back there, the low frequencies will have an impact behind the cabinet, the cabinet itself can radiate some sound. So we have to measure, and have an idea what the speaker is going to do in the room. The best way to evaluate that is by looking at this ‘family of curves’.

Now, the graph on page 1 looks like a total mess, and very difficult to interpret, if you just looked at it with all of these curves overlaid on one another and it doesn’t tell you a heck of a lot. And if we looked at any of the individual curves, in isolation, it also doesn’t tell you a lot. Many people think that you need the flat on-axis response. Well, that’s nice to have, assuming that the family of curves looks smooth and even too. Now, how we interpret this mess of curves is by looking at two main curves that we call the listening window and the sound power. The listening window takes into account the direct signal from the speaker and what are known as the “first reflection points” off of the side walls, the floor, and the ceiling. And it averages those into this upper curve that you see

Bryston A2 Listening Window and Sound Power     

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=186232)

The sound power is an average of all of those curves that were on the previous page and it’s the interpretation of how you do the averaging that really is the magic of loudspeaker design.

By interpreting these curves we can understand everything that the loudspeaker is doing and how it’s going to interact with the room. Small changes that we bring to individual curves may or may not impact the listening window and the sound power.

We’re always adjusting things to make these two curves look a certain way, and really, on and off axis smoothness is something that we’re looking for. We don’t want big discontinuities in either the listening window or the sound power, because that will suggest that there’s an issue with the way the crossover has been designed.

It is an important point about listening tests as well in that really, about 80% of the listening tests that we do here, the double-blind listening tests, are about the family of curves. We will make small adjustments to the family of curves, and subject that to a listening test, to see if we can isolate measurements that can improve the sound quality.

At the end of the day, all that really matters is that you have to consider all of these family of curves in trying to assess how the speaker is going to perform in the listening room, and that’s why we actually place prime importance on this family of measurements.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=186234)

BRYSTON MODEL T in WALNUT FINISH

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Nov 2018, 09:41 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Dealer Feedback – Brian Gammon – Industry Veteran


November 2018

James;

I’ve been meaning to comment for the longest time regarding my Bryston system so far. As you know, over the past four years I’ve slowly and progressively updated my audio system using predominantly Bryston components.  This was prompted by a move to a different house, giving me a larger space in which to integrate music listening & theater in one larger room.

The room is 25’ x 18’ with a 10’ ceiling.  Although not how I would have designed the build-out from raw space, the room has reasonable attributes, including only very nominal low frequency nodal issues, in part as it’s built over a full crawl space, not a concrete floor.  I’ve located absorption panels in key locations in the front two-thirds of the room, including the area of the ceiling between the speakers and the primary listening seats.

My Bryston “experiment” started with an SP3 (now updated to include a recent gen HDMI board), a pair of Model T Signatures, and a pair of 7B’s (now 7B3’s). A bit later the BDA-3 DAC and the BLP-1 turntable joined the party. Every part of the Bryston chain has brought its’ own overall improvements, but there is one “signature” characteristic that I feel defines the Bryston system experience, which I’ll get to in a moment.

I spend more time with music than movies (or concerts on disc). Faithful rendering of good recordings, whether recreating live performances or studio sessions, is my priority. (You guys know my background; I’ve been privileged to be part of an industry that I love for many years.)

Each Bryston component that I’ve added, taken on individual merit, is great. 

•   I’ve heard the 7B’s outstrip well regarded, legacy amps.

•   The turntable is everything I hoped it would be and more without spending the price of a car.

•   The SP3 in full Bypass mode allows the overall system to reveal each new improvement.

•   The Model T Signature speakers are credibly neutral, extended in frequency response, controlled without sounding overly analytical, and resolve detail in gobs for a monitor designed around dynamic drivers.  (Not intended to suggest dynamic-driver speaker designs need take a back seat to any other designs, only that it takes careful attention in design and component selection to compete with the best planar designs in the critical midrange.)  Interestingly, the Model T’s respond well and communicate clear differences in musical presentation with changes in room placement, angle relative to the listener, and so on.

•   The BDA-3 DAC is extremely flexible and sounds great overall, and particularly in the area of dynamics.

Wherein hangs my main point – what I perceive as the “hallmark” of Bryston design, and possibly the reason why a mainly Bryston system just may be greater than the sum of its’ parts.

Every serious manufacturer in audio can do nice tonality (although there are distinctions!).  Every manufacturer can lay claim to appropriately neutral measurements, acceptable noise specs, at least half-decent phase characteristics, and so on.

Dynamic contrasts, from the rendering of small transient details in the background through to mid-level contrasts and a sense of pace and timing overall in the music, is where I hear Bryston consistently bringing it.  This provides a degree of overall transparency, by way of dynamic details, is tough to beat, certainly in the upper-mid price strata that Bryston products tend to occupy. 

Dynamic contrasts & transient details are what make recorded music remind me of the live experience.  Over the decades, many Hi-Fi products have sounded very good, in varying ways and to different degrees, but not a lot have had the kind of micro-dynamic portrayal I’m currently enjoying.

Thanks for it all!

Regards
Brian Gammon

P.S. – I am going to contact you as I have decided to upgrade my Model T Signatures to the ACTIVE version as I agree with you that active systems take the performance up a rung!

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Nov 2018, 12:10 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Subwoofer – Customer Feedback

October 2018

Hey James,

The Model T sub arrived on Friday and I wrestled the beast into the living room.  I mean that sucker is heavy!  It's the size of a Middle T, but weighs in like a full sized Model T.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=186667)

Anyway, after getting things set up, I found out that my initial location I had envisioned the sub to live at was not a good choice.  The sub was canceling out with the other two subs, the actual output dropped with three vs. the other two subs alone.  The subs have a variable phase control so it's really easy to adjust phasing for maximum output. 

I did some 'manual' phasing by moving the sub to a new location in a more open part of the room.... YIKES! 

The output with the three subs in operation is like triple of what I had before.  I had to turn down the output to the subs as it was over powering.  I moved the sub about 7 feet over to a more open area and it just popped alive.  Pretty impressive; I suppose I found the right phase point for all to work in harmony.

I love this sub; it's not only subtle in appearance, it's gorgeous and amazingly solid.  It feels like it's made from a solid Ash block of timber. I guess with the extreme build quality, it gets all the potential resonances out of the cabinet.

Anyway, thanks again! 

Bruce

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Rider20 on 22 Dec 2018, 04:15 am
Hi James,

Now that the Vinyl finishes have been replaced with real wood veneer's, what is the current Canadian retail price on a pair of the Mini A's, and the AC1 Micro center channel??

Thanks!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Dec 2018, 10:35 am
Hi James,

Now that the Vinyl finishes have been replaced with real wood veneer's, what is the current Canadian retail price on a pair of the Mini A's, and the AC1 Micro center channel??

Thanks!

Hi Rider 20

$1600 the pair and $660

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Rider20 on 23 Dec 2018, 04:29 am
Hi Rider 20

$1600 the pair and $660

james

OK excellent, thank you James :thumb:

Merry Christmas to you and yours!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Rider20 on 12 Jan 2019, 07:32 pm
James, is the Bryston 20 yr warranty on speakers transferrable if the buyer get the original recite from the seller?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jan 2019, 07:53 pm
James, is the Bryston 20 yr warranty on speakers transferrable if the buyer get the original recite from the seller?  Thanks.

No sorry just the first buyer.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Rider20 on 13 Jan 2019, 12:45 am
No sorry just the first buyer.

james

OK, no worries.

Thanks James!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jan 2019, 12:07 pm
Hi Folks,

Just playing around with some ideas for setup in RM 2

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=189513)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 26 Jan 2019, 02:44 pm
Definitely slam bass there! Moby Dick by Led Zeppelin would be in order. :wink:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: brwsaw on 28 Jan 2019, 04:40 am
Hi Folks,

Just playing around with some ideas for setup in RM 2

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=189513)

Did you try flipping the towers over? Tweeters closer to ear height...
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jan 2019, 10:57 am
Hi

Good idea - will try that - although the dispersion on the Bryston speakers is very wide - will take some measurements.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bobf on 8 Feb 2019, 01:11 am
Hi James. Is Murphy Oil Soap a suitable product to use on Mini T speakers cherry wood veneer?
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Feb 2019, 01:28 am
Hi James. Is Murphy Oil Soap a suitable product to use on Mini T speakers cherry wood veneer?
Thanks in advance for your reply.

Hi

Yes I use that myself.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Feb 2019, 08:01 pm
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=191177)

MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Middle T LoudSpeaker – Customer Feedback

February 2019

“Hi James,
 
Just thought I’d let you know that the Middle T’s are in and installed. 

They sound fantastic … much better in my room than in dealer demo rooms.


The ‘Walnut Espresso’ colour is very nice.

I also got the Mini T center (in black).
 

The first thing I noticed listening to familiar music is how well they separate out the instruments.  Each instrument is effortlessly heard separate from the others and clearly in its place in the soundstage. 

Even my wife noticed this right away.  My old speakers were pretty good but in comparison the instruments were kind of mushed together. 
 
Also, I had to use subs with the old speakers which meant that the output from the DAC had to be processed.  The Middle T’s don’t require subs so I am able to listen to pure 2 channel without any processing. 

The resulting sound is beautiful, far and away the best I’ve heard in our home.
 
Thanks again for your help with the decision.”
 
Best regards,
Wayne

 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Mar 2019, 11:42 pm
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Hi Folks,

Please see attached an incredible review (English Translation) from a very prominent German Magazine on our Bryston Middle T Loudspeaker.

Superb pictures as well!

In case you do not have time to read the full review here is the conclusion.

 IN CONCLUSION:

 The Bryston Middle T are characterized by:

 1. An "above everything" is balanced tonality; in very low-toned music, the bass likes to play something in the foreground, but does not sound unpleasant and does not cover other frequency ranges, but provides an impressive, stable foundation for the overall performance.

 2. Wonderfully clear-cut mids. The midrange is clearly the absolute chocolate side of the Middle T. Resolution, fine dynamics, timbres and transient reproduction are exemplary. Whether voices or instruments, small ensembles or large orchestra, classical or hard rock - the centers of the Canadians are always exemplary. In the price comparison Middle T are here very far ahead.

3. A tweeter, which offers a decent resolution and generally supports the balanced sound rather than dominates.

4. A certain "minimum level requirement", whispering levels are not necessarily the business of Middle T.

5. A fascinating space. Localization, sharpness of contours and the illumination of the recording room in all dimensions are outstanding features of the Bryston speakers.

6. Great dynamic qualities. The excellent fine-dynamic differentiation to which the Middle T are capable comes into its own when you hear something louder. Since they seem to know no bounds, they are ideal for people who also like to hear loud music.
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I have an English translation in PDF of full review - jamestanner@bryston.com
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Apr 2019, 12:29 pm
Bryston

Visiting with Sound Organisation today in Dallas.

Pretty great sounding room for a bunch of fellows used to British hifi!

Hear more at @axpona next weekend.



(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=192805)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 11 May 2019, 10:22 am
What is the retail price of the A1? I can sell my Paradigm Studios and I'm considering the A1 for surround duty.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 May 2019, 11:44 am
Hi Mag

$4700 list

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Jun 2019, 10:17 am
Hi Folks,

I have a new PDF explaining all the reasons why we decided to build Bryston Speakers - title is  "Why Bother"

Email me if you want a copy.

james

jamestanner@bryston.com



(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=195288)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jun 2019, 06:55 pm
Hi Folks,

Great Atmos home theater designed by A.V. Designs using Bryston Model A and Model T Speakers!

james


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=195720)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Aug 2019, 02:20 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: New Bryston Subwoofers – August 2019

We are introducing a new series of Bryston Subwoofers. 

The new Subs are the Model A-8, A-10, A-12 and the Model TS-12 Sub.

Al Subs also available in ‘WIRELESS’ versions.
 
MODEL A-12 Sub
Enclosure - Reflex
Woofer-12"
H W D (inches) 19 x 14.75 x 17
H W D (mm) 490 x 375 x 430
0 & 180 Phase Adjust-Yes
Balanced In and Out-No
Crossover Adjust Positions- 2
Die Cast Woofer Basket-Yes
DSP Amplitude Response Control- No
Frequency Response (+/-3dB) Hz -26 - 150
High Level In-Yes
Line In and Out-Yes
Low Frequency Response to -10dB Hz-22
Max SPL Anechoic-106
Max SPL In-room-116
Power Watts Continuous RMS-250
Power Watts Peak Dynamic-625
Weight in Kilos-22, Weight in Pounds-48

MODEL TS-12 Sub
Enclosure-Sealed
Woofer   12"
Die Cast Woofer Basket-Yes
Variable Phase Adjust-Yes
H W D (inches)-21.5 x 14.75 x 17
H W D (mm)-550 x 375 x 430
Balanced In and Out-Yes
Crossover Adjust Positions-5
DSP Amplitude Response Control-Yes
Frequency Response (+/-3dB) Hz-18 - 150
High Level In-Yes
Line In and Out-Yes
Low Frequency Response to -10dB Hz-16
Max SPL Anechoic-108
Max SPL In-room-118
Power Watts Continuous RMS-500
Power Watts Peak Dynamic-1250
Weight in Kilos-29, Weight in Pounds-

MODEL A-10 Sub
Enclosure-Reflex
Woofer-10"
H W D (inches)17 x 14.75 x 17
H W D (mm)430 x 375 x 430
0 & 180 Phase Adjust-Yes
Balanced In and Out-No
Crossover Adjust Positions-2
Die Cast Woofer Basket-Yes
DSP Amplitude Response Control-No
Frequency Response (+/-3dB) Hz-28 - 150
High Level In-Yes
Line In and Out-Yes
Low Frequency Response to -10dB Hz-24
Max SPL Anechoic-104
Max SPL In-room-114
Power Watts Continuous RMS-220
Power Watts Peak Dynamic-550
Weight in Kilos-19, Weight in Pounds-41

MODEL A-8 Sub
Enclosure-Reflex
Freq Resp +/-3dB (Hz)-30 - 150
Woofer-8"
H W D (inches)-14.5 x 13 x 17
H W D (mm)-368 x 335 x 430
Power Watts Continuous RMS-200
Power Watts Peak Dynamic-500
Crossover Adjust Positions-2
Low Frequency Response to -10dB Hz-26
Max SPL Anechoic-102
Max SPL In-room-112
Line In and Out-Yes
Balanced In and Out-No
High Level In-Yes
Weight in Pounds-36, Weight in Kilos-16
Die Cast Woofer Basket-Yes
DSP Amplitude Response Control-No
0 & 180 Phase Adjust-Yes
 
NOTE: We will discontinue the Model T Sub, Model A Sub, Model T-8 and the Model T-12 but continue to offer the Mini-T Sub.

USA List Prices:  A8 - $1,400.00        A10 - $1,700.00,        A12 - $2,200.00         TS12 - $3,200.00
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Bear Heath on 1 Aug 2019, 06:43 pm
Fantastic !  It’s hard to find subs with high level inputs. REL has them but I can’t use as REL due to having a balanced amp and their Speakon connector.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Sep 2019, 09:41 pm
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=198409)


MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Roberts Bryston System – Beautifully Done!

Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019.

Hi James,

Please see picture of my Bryston setup.

I now have the Bryston 28B3 mono amplifiers, BP26+MPS2 preamplifier, BDA3 DAC, Bryston cables throughout, Bryston BIT 8 Isolation Transformer and the Bryston Middle T speakers.

Bryston is the absolute best audio gear I have owned. And I have owned a lot of high end gear over the years.

The sound of Bryston is so sweet. Detailed and have the best deep bass and dynamic I have heard. An unbelievable grip on the speaker. Never get tired after hours and hours of listening.

Robert
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 10 Oct 2019, 04:51 am
Hi Folks,

Mini A speakers in White Oak and White Maple - preference?

james


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=172093)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=172094)

I see a pair of these on sale from a dealer on AGON....oh so tempting..I am wondering will they work with my Vinnie Rossie LIO integrated?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Oct 2019, 10:47 am
Hi Gene

What is the power rating on your amp and how big is your room and what levels you usually play at?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 10 Oct 2019, 03:19 pm
The Vinnie Rossi Lio integrated uses and AVC tube stage and the mosfet amp module outputs 25 watts. I usually play music at low to medium levels. I had the Mini A's 4 years ago with my bigger Parasound gear but then moved on to the Mini t's. I have since decided to simplify and go smaller. I used the LIO with Harbeth 7's and since went smaller to the Harbeth P3 ESR SE's. Great gear, great sound but I do remember the fun I had with the Mini A's and the white looks soooo damn beautiful. The dealer has also listed several of Mini A's in various wood finishes. ..White, Walnut, Natural Cherry on Audiogon.



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Oct 2019, 04:31 pm
The Vinnie Rossi Lio integrated uses and AVC tube stage and the mosfet amp module outputs 25 watts. I usually play music at low to medium levels. I had the Mini A's 4 years ago with my bigger Parasound gear but then moved on to the Mini t's. I have since decided to simplify and go smaller. I used the LIO with Harbeth 7's and since went smaller to the Harbeth P3 ESR SE's. Great gear, great sound but I do remember the fun I had with the Mini A's and the white looks soooo damn beautiful. The dealer has also listed several of Mini A's in various wood finishes. ..White, Walnut, Natural Cherry on Audiogon.

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9hebi-bryston-mini-a-white-full-range
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9hbd6-bryston-mini-a-light-cherry-full-range
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9hbd5-bryston-mini-a-walnut-full-range

Update. My offer of 900 plus shipping was accepted!!!!

OK! - please let me know what you think when setup.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 10 Oct 2019, 04:33 pm
will do...

wow they sold fast..still another pair of white left... and so did the matching subs!!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 16 Oct 2019, 02:10 pm
Speakers arrived in beautiful Piano Gloss White. I have them set up on a pair of sand filled 28 inch stands. The Vinnie Rossi LIO is having no problem driving them. They need break in time so right now the Harbeth's have the upper hand. I plugged the rear ports as I have done in the past with my Bryston speakers because of distance to the rear wall and I am incorporating my Velodyne sub very lightly. Lot's of great detail and the brightness of the speakers is reducing daily. One nice thing about the LIO is the ability to change tubes, in this case I can add a warmer Amperex 6922 should I feel the need.  The gloss white speakers are beautifully built and Bryston packaging is superb for protecting the speakers during shipping. I can recommend this dealer to anyone else who was looking at the ads on Agon for the other Mini A's he has for sale. I will update over the next few weeks as the break in and tweaking continues.


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=199662)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Oct 2019, 03:34 pm
Thanks Gene.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spotlightaudio on 18 Oct 2019, 05:32 pm
Hi James,

What would one notice most going from mini As to passive mini Ts?

thanks
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: bsleepy on 18 Oct 2019, 06:54 pm
Very nice looking.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 18 Oct 2019, 10:53 pm
from my own experience a few years ago..you need lots of power. My original Mini A's worked well with my Parasound amp at 125 per channel but the bigger mini T's were lacking. When I moved up to a bigger Parasound A21, at 250 per the Mini T's really came to life. I also found I preferred the Mini T's on a lower stand...18 inches..and lightly tilted upward. You can see in the above photos my room which has limited space required some tweaking. The sound itself is bigger, bolder and more refined. They are really heavy unlike the Mini A's which are pretty light. If you have the space and the power they are quite incredible sounding. Lot's of detail, not harsh but not warm. Very lifelike sound whether using cd's or or Vinyl. I am not a streamer so I won't be able to answer that  question. I do prefer the rear ports plugged with both the Mini A and the T's. Port plugs can be found on Axiom speakers website. I just ordered a pair and they arrived in 2 days, free shipping to NY. from Canada. They fit the Bryston speakers perfect and come in pairs for 28 bucks.
https://www.axiomaudio.com/port-plugs

Hope this helps.

PS: The A's are breaking in nicely and the port plugs bring out the best in the speakers.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: spotlightaudio on 19 Oct 2019, 04:21 pm
Thanks gene9p for your insight !
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Mar 2020, 12:53 pm
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=206498)


MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model A3 speaker – Customer Feedback

March 2020

Subject: Testimonial


Hi Folks,

I just wanted to let you know how unbelievable my Bryston A3 towers are.

Suspension of disbelief. Absolutely!

My speakers disappear during listening sessions. As the volume increases, the sound just gets better, more full.

I am so happy that I stepped into the Brystons! I cannot sing their praises enough.

Thank you for such a great “ entry “ level speaker! There is nothing missing in the music during playback. When comparing these to another brand, the difference in the Brystons ability to produce bass and the right treble is unbelievable.

Thank you!
Mark Kaminski

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 2 Jun 2020, 09:51 am
James,

Bryston doesn‘t offer port plugs for any type of  their speakers.
Why?

Thanx,

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Jun 2020, 10:30 am
James,

Bryston doesn‘t offer port plugs for any type of  their speakers.
Why?

Thanx,

al.

Hi Al

Yes we do - in fact they come with the speakers.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=209823)


Here is what they do at the low end as you add them on the Model T

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=209824)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 3 Jun 2020, 07:11 am

...ah, ok! then i was wrong. it was just a thought because they are not to find on Bryston‘s website.
however, nice to know  :thumb:  so please allow me one question: how would a Middle T sound like with the plugs?

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Jun 2020, 10:22 am
...ah, ok! then i was wrong. it was just a thought because they are not to find on Bryston‘s website.
however, nice to know  :thumb:  so please allow me one question: how would a Middle T sound like with the plugs?

al.

Hi Al

Using the plugs is really a matter of room integration. If the room does not support really low bass (boom or lack of transients) then you can use some or all of the plugs to tame and tailor the level of low bass in the room.

With all the plugs in as you can see from the graphs you get a gradual rolloff in the very low frequencies and the speaker behaves much like an acoustic suspension loading.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 6 Jun 2020, 12:18 am
Not to derail,is Bryston still shipping if acustomer places an order or are we held up for awhile.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jun 2020, 12:50 am
Not to derail,is Bryston still shipping if acustomer places an order or are we held up for awhile.


Hi Drummer

We are back to work as of this week but heavily backordered so any new order is about 4 weeks out.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 6 Jun 2020, 02:33 pm
Thanks James,

I know Brystons web site is still in the works as when I try to down load the manual for the mini A wireless speakers,the 28 amp pops up.

Want to compare the Mini A with the Bryfi-2 for my deck.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jun 2020, 03:49 pm
HI Drummer

Thanks will let the web guy know.

The BryFi has the same set of drivers as the Mini A so its more a decision of portability of a complete system versus  separate components.

I use the BryFi on my backyard deck during the summer and then as a kitchen radio in the winter.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 12 Jun 2020, 04:19 pm
Thanks James,
Is it possible to have a manual on the Bryfi-2 on here.
Curious as it does have mute and vol on the cabinet,can a person control vol from ph or IPad,
Thx

If it’s a month for delivery then I still have some summer left 8)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jun 2020, 05:02 pm
Thanks James,
Is it possible to have a manual on the Bryfi-2 on here.
Curious as it does have mute and vol on the cabinet,can a person control vol from ph or IPad,
Thx

If it’s a month for delivery then I still have some summer left 8)

Hi

Yes it has volume controls and mute on the top of the unit and it also has its own GUI for control.

james


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=210390)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: domonly on 23 Jun 2020, 01:17 am
Hi folks ! New here , also in the audiophile world hehe..

Anyways i need your advice , as a total rookie, theres so many components and options.. !

I just purchased a set of Bryston middle T cherry loudspeakers , a Bryston 4b3 cubed amplifier, and a Topping d90 Dac.

Now.. what kind of cables input/output would you suggest me with these components ? Its the very first audio system i buy, and im a bit lost haha.. should i also look for a pre-amp or it should be fine as it is ? Running a bit dry after all those purchases though .. ( student here )

appreciate any suggestions,
thank you !

Dom
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Gumby on 23 Jul 2020, 09:09 pm
I’m currently driving Bowers & Wilkins 707 standmounts with a Bryston B60.  Considering a change of sound. Does anyone have experience with The Mini A’s or Mini T’s  with the B60?   Would they be a good match or should I add more power?

Thanks
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gberger on 24 Jul 2020, 01:57 am
gumby,

I asked a similar question a few days ago; however, I'm only using FM as the signal source.
James Tanner responded. He is using a B60 with MiniA speakers in his office, and internet radio for music source.

He's satisfied, so that's good enough for me.

George
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Gumby on 24 Jul 2020, 02:53 am
Thanks for the info George.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gberger on 18 Aug 2020, 11:35 pm
James,

What is the backlog in Mini T and Mini A passive speakers?

George
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Aug 2020, 12:13 am
James,

What is the backlog in Mini T and Mini A passive speakers?

George

Hi George

Usually about 2 weeks from order unless its a standard colour then we may have it sooner.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gberger on 19 Aug 2020, 02:03 am
Thanks, James

BTW: That "Check 6" is old fighter pilot lingo for 'Check Your Rear!"

George
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Christo22 on 29 Aug 2020, 11:55 am
James,

What are the options now with the MODEL Ts?
Passive and Active.
Is the passive can now be upgraded to active down the road?
Back a few years ago you needed the Signature with external Xovers to do so...

When you order a pair, do you need to specify.
I have 28b3 at home but would still like to keep options...

Is Walnut a standard color?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Aug 2020, 12:04 pm
James,

What are the options now with the MODEL Ts?
Passive and Active.
Is the passive can now be upgraded to active down the road?
Back a few years ago you needed the Signature with external Xovers to do so...

When you order a pair, do you need to specify.
I have 28b3 at home but would still like to keep options...

Is Walnut a standard color?

Hi

We discontinued the Signature version - think we still have a pair or two left - so just the Passive version going forward.

Walnut has been popular so we did make it a standard version.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Christo22 on 29 Aug 2020, 12:09 pm
Ok. Thanks.
So the passive can now be turned into an active?
All backplate?
No more externally Xovers?

What could make me want one of your Sigs?
Is their any advantage?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Aug 2020, 04:53 pm
Ok. Thanks.
So the passive can now be turned into an active?
All backplate?
No more externally Xovers?

What could make me want one of your Sigs?
Is their any advantage?

Sorry the only pair of Sig's I had left were a white pair that we have used as demos and not in good shape.

james
Title: .
Post by: veloceleste on 30 Aug 2020, 12:15 am
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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 18 Sep 2020, 11:00 pm
Hi Al

Yes we do - in fact they come with the speakers.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=209823)


Here is what they do at the low end as you add them on the Model T

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=209824)


Hi james

I didn't get the plugs with mine..I have a smallish room would be a nice to experiment to see what effect it would have.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Christo22 on 18 Sep 2020, 11:07 pm
Same here. No plugs with my new Model Ts.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Sep 2020, 11:11 pm
Hi Folks,

No the plugs are an extra and only required if you feel your room will not support very low bass. I was wrong before when I stated they come automatically.

You can experiment by using rolled up socks in the ports and if you feel it helps then we can send you some port plugs.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 18 Sep 2020, 11:40 pm
Will try the socks when the T's arrive! and report the findings!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gberger on 20 Sep 2020, 11:20 pm
The Boston Cherry Mini T speakers came a couple of weeks ago.
 I hooked them up to a B60R integrated amp. for  few days, then tried them with my main system (BP17c; BCD-3 CD spinner; Magnum Dynalab FM Tuner; 4Bc amplifier.)  They certainly did Not sound "mini," but gave my Thiel 2.7 primary speakers a run for their money at low to moderate volumes.
I now have them hooked to a B135c integrated amplifier - - and the sound is superb! Neutral throughout the spectrum and capability of increased volume in my office / library.  IMO, the Mini T and B135c pair were made for each other.
It's probably my room dimensions, but I had no immediate discernible difference in mid and lower bass responsebetween leaving the ports open or stuffing them with rolled-up socks.
George
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Sep 2020, 01:24 am
The Boston Cherry Mini T speakers came a couple of weeks ago.
 I hooked them up to a B60R integrated amp. for  few days, then tried them with my main system (BP17c; BCD-3 CD spinner; Magnum Dynalab FM Tuner; 4Bc amplifier.)  They certainly did Not sound "mini," but gave my Thiel 2.7 primary speakers a run for their money at low to moderate volumes.
I now have them hooked to a B135c integrated amplifier - - and the sound is superb! Neutral throughout the spectrum and capability of increased volume in my office / library.  IMO, the Mini T and B135c pair were made for each other.
It's probably my room dimensions, but I had no immediate discernible difference in mid and lower bass responsebetween leaving the ports open or stuffing them with rolled-up socks.
George

Hi George

Nice to hear you are enjoying the speakers.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Chewbacca 319 on 5 Oct 2020, 12:53 am
Hey James I just want to say although being a young audiophile (21) I've had the opportunity to hear your companies gear for many years from my dad. Really getting into my own in the hobby I quickly jumped at the chance to own bryston loudspeakers and couldn't be happier. Have a pair of model a2, mini A for rear channels and an ac1 for a center (currently on order from you guys) and running the front channels off a bryston 4Be (I believe that was the model right before the Nrb line) . I just had a question though. With your loudspeakers being on the market for as long as they have, is there any tenitive plans for a successor to the current line of loudspeakers? Or possibly a version 2. Or would it come down to if Axiom was looking to re haul their lineup then you'd explore it then.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2020, 10:54 am
Hi Chewbacca

We are always researching but unless we see a technology that would outperform our current products we will stay with the present versions.  I know from a marketing and sales perspective introducing new versions has a lot of appeal but our policy has always been that there has to be real advancements in performance to necessitate a model change.

One area where we really think a performance advantage exists is in Active versions of the speakers so that is something we are currently investigating.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Jozsef on 5 Oct 2020, 09:18 pm
I see questions of replacing "old" models come up in the context of audio and I suppose many young people, being used to less mature technologies all around us which deliver very significant advances quite regularly are expecting something similar in this area.

Genuinely good loudspeakers were made in the 1920s by Paul G.A.H. Voight with his corner horn so in the subsequent century, very significant advances have been made in every aspect. Thus, we are not going to be kicking today's Bryston speakers into the weeds with any amazing new breakthrough that I'm aware of. While appearing quite conventional, they are very much cutting edge and most impressively engineered. That's kinda why I bought them!  Wink2
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Chewbacca 319 on 6 Oct 2020, 03:49 pm
I wasn't asking in the context of speaker technologies constantly evolving. Some of the best speakers you can own are legacy products. Heck there are many, many loudspeakers of yesteryear that sound a good margin better than what is out on the market today. My comment wasn't a reflection on my age, or the notion that follows that we are accustomed to incremental upgrades on a yearly or bi yearly basis. My comment about a revised model was more in line as to what competitors do, and to stay relavent in the field. I am more than happy with my Bryston loudspeakers, Infact they are the best sounding speakers I have ever owned (coming from a catalogue of probably at least 50 different sets I have owned over the years thus far). But with many other competing company in the same price bracket of brystons current line up it begs the question of what if any plans they have to keep consumers interested. Now with that said there is something to say about having a product show it's worth and relavancy in performance; but it was a lingering question I had. Even if bryston came out with a new line of loudspeakers I wouldn't upgrade, but just like any other products in their range (amplifiers, pre amps, dacs, CD players) there is always room for improvement and innovation. From a business prospective a launch of a new line up of loudspeakers can pay for itself, in exposure, hype that builds , and renewed interests from reviewers and consumers alike. New product launches always bring with them positives and negatives (R&D costs, change to development process, producing the new product) but also can introduce both new and old fans towards their brand. Personally for one area I think bryston could find some success is if they were to introduce Atmos speakers. Bryston already sells a surround sound processor that has Atmos, and since they do sell center channels and subwoofers they are interested in the home theater space, not just stereo hifi. Whether that being introducing Atmos enabled speakers where the drivers are built into the top of the cabinet (I believe klipsch has done this) or an Atmos add on speaker , I honestly do think they would sell. Although it would be a more niche product in their lineup , with the trends these days and an almost resurgence of proper home theater instead of Bose setups for example , I have solid belief that it would sell well, I'd buy a set. The only trouble I could see in regards to that however is I don't believe Axiom sells such a product, so perhaps R&D would have to go into building such a product . Just my take on things , not wanting per say a new lineup of loudspeakers , but it begs the question if there is not already interest on how to improve the originals, or diversify their current lineup.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Oct 2020, 10:28 pm
Hi Folks,

Here is a recent tour of the Axiom Speaker factory - it obviously deals with Axiom products but the philosophy and substance is applicable to our Bryston speakers as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXkuH9awY0g&fbclid=IwAR0GjaLYh_Mz89TaClec9ZWM2e6lqrCXLK7M5-GTFpGBPmFhecAdZu2uYGM

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Oct 2020, 02:56 pm
A follow up interview with Ian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIgisk7QNMU
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alexone on 19 Oct 2020, 10:01 am

...very interesting video :thumb:

al.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Oct 2020, 09:05 pm
Bryston MIni A Speaker review from German Magazine - FairAudio

10 page PDF- jamestanner@bryston.com
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Jan 2021, 12:36 pm
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=219007)

MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T Speakers – Customer Feedback

January 2021

BRYSTON MODEL T SPEAKERS

Hi James

I’m a former Cruise Ship audio and lighting/video engineer. I also helped build Casino Rama entertainment. The live entertainment stuff.  Kingbridge Centre as well – so I know live sound. 

Love'n the Bryston system.

I purchased them in late February 2019. They've been breaking in ever since. I leave the TV on the Bryston system while I'm out so they've had a nice breaking in period. Listen. I've put just about any kind of music and genre's threw these giant killers.

They are giant sounding! Enormous sound stage. And so linier. Simply effortless reproduction of any source I've feed them. I'm very impressed.

I previously had the Bryston  A1's. A great, great speaker system in and of themselves. I expected a marginal difference. In my environment I've noticed a substantial vibrant 3D warm embracing sound.

I absolutely love the Bryston system. BP-6, 4Bsst2, Model T's.

I'm purchasing a 14B3 asap and this will make the drivers work a bit more. Lol....

Sincerely
KBV

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Feb 2021, 07:25 pm
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=220373)

MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston UAE Surround System

February 2021

Hi Folks,

These are some pictures of a Bryston surround theater still in progress that our distributer in UAE sent me recently. This will be AMAZING!

Seven Seas
United Arab Emirates
   
When finished the system will consist of:

•   1 Bryston Model T Speaker   
•   2 Bryston Middle T Speakers
•   1 Bryston TC-1 Center   
•   2 Bryston A2 Speakers   
•   1 Bryston Mini T Sub   
•   1 Bryston T12 Sub   
•   2 Bryston 28B Cubed Amps
•   1 7B Bryston Cubed Amp   
•   1 21B Bryston Cubed Amp
•   1 4B Bryston Cubed Amp   
•   1 Bryston SP4 Surround Processor
•   1 Bryston BDA 3.14 Digital Player
•   1 BDP3 Digital Player
•   1 Bryston BIT Power Conditioner
•   1 Bryston BCD3 CD Player
•   1 pair Bryston XL Outriggers

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: kingcrowing on 4 Apr 2021, 06:54 pm
Hi,

Is Moon Audio the best place to buy Bryston speakers if you don’t have a dealer in your area?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Apr 2021, 07:07 pm
Hi,

Is Moon Audio the best place to buy Bryston speakers if you don’t have a dealer in your area?

Hi King

Yes they have been very supportive of the speakers and have done very well with them.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: kingcrowing on 4 Apr 2021, 07:16 pm
James,

Thank you! One other question, is the TC-1 Mini actually 16.5” deep? It looks more square in the photos and says it’s 10.5” tall.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Apr 2021, 07:35 pm
James,

Thank you! One other question, is the TC-1 Mini actually 16.5” deep? It looks more square in the photos and says it’s 10.5” tall.

Here's a better picture for you.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=222944)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: kingcrowing on 4 Apr 2021, 07:55 pm
James,

Ah that makes sense now. Is it possible for the speaker to be slightly tilted up (if placing lower than ideal) if leaned back or is it too front heavy?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Apr 2021, 08:00 pm
James,

Ah that makes sense now. Is it possible for the speaker to be slightly tilted up (if placing lower than ideal) if leaned back or is it too front heavy?

You can tilt it up - one of the main design parameters of all our speakers is very wide dispersion both vertically and horizontally so there is a lot of flexibility in placement.  Think of it as a Flood light rather than a Spot light.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: kingcrowing on 5 Apr 2021, 12:01 am
James,

How would the AC-1 Mini pair sonically with the Middle T towers?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Apr 2021, 12:11 am
James,

How would the AC-1 Mini pair sonically with the Middle T towers?

Hi

Yes it is a perfect match as it has the exact same driver compliment.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Apr 2021, 12:52 pm
https://download.wetransfer.com//eugv/35554dac02af8c96169fc6a9e99dc91620210408112130/48c5bb0ece8ef11122c479dfd0e4b94072ba0e85/Video.mp4?cf=y&token=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.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.ADteWq8KGKjQVwbo83lHTBGPd7UZHAe6SRosEwcPIKs

Demo video of a complete Bryston system.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Apr 2021, 11:25 am

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=223138)


MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Surround System – Customer Feedback

April 2021

Hi James

I went to Mustansir's Bryston listening room with my colleague Andy Williams. We were pleasantly surprised and have to say, it is one of the best demo rooms I have ever been to. You can see a lot of effort has gone into the place.

The Bryston set-up blew us away.

Mustansir has definitely thought about catering for everyone's needs, from us audiophiles wanting the very best reproduction in sound, to individuals after that full surround sound, cinema experience.

My colleague knows Bryston quite well, but I had not actually heard a Bryston system before. I never realised how many products Bryston has in it's range.

I have to say, what I heard was better than I thought it would be. The sound was so detailed and true, across the full spectrum of the soundstage, layered and airy in a 3D manner.

I have already recommended a few people to go to the Bryston listening room in Dubai, so they can experience it for themselves.     

I congratulate you for having such a fantastic facility, showcasing Bryston in Dubai/UAE, well done.

Regards

Max 

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Apr 2021, 03:37 pm
HI Folks

I know I am tooting my own horn here but I recently setup a pair of the Bryston Mini A speakers in my smaller RM 3 listening room.

You know it's one of those circumstances when the room just suits the speaker! I can not believe how great these thing sound in this room.  :thumb:

Anyway if you are looking for a small 3 way mini monitor that can fill a room and disappear please check these out!

james


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=223550)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Gumby on 19 Apr 2021, 04:31 pm
Hi James

Which Stands are those with the Mini A’s?

What Source and Amps ?

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Gumby on 19 Apr 2021, 04:35 pm
James

Will the new partnership of Axiom and Bryston mean new Speaker models in the works?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Apr 2021, 04:39 pm
Hi James

Which Stands are those with the Mini A’s?

What Source and Amps ?

Hi - They are Target stands.

I am using 7B's but I think the 3B or the 2.5B would be a great match in most setups.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Apr 2021, 04:40 pm
James

Will the new partnership of Axiom and Bryston mean new Speaker models in the works?

HI

Nothing in the works currently but we are always researching for ways to improve performance.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Soldeed on 22 Apr 2021, 12:59 pm
James,

How would the AC-1 Mini pair sonically with the Middle T towers?
Hi

Yes it is a perfect match as it has the exact same driver compliment.

james

How well would the AC1 Center timbre match with the Model T?

Is the AC1's frequency response 25Hz-20kHz ±3dB as per the posted specs?

https://bryston.com/passive/a-centers/ (https://bryston.com/passive/a-centers/)

Thanks
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Apr 2021, 01:10 pm
How well would the AC1 Center timbre match with the Model T?

Is the AC1's frequency response 25Hz-20kHz ±3dB as per the posted specs?

https://bryston.com/passive/a-centers/ (https://bryston.com/passive/a-centers/)

Thanks

No I would not recommend the AC-1 for a Center unless most of your listening is to Stereo.  The AC-1 uses 6 1/2 inch woofers whereas the Model T uses 8 inch woofers.  So the power handling on the TC-1 center is a much better fit.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Soldeed on 22 Apr 2021, 02:56 pm
No I would not recommend the AC-1 for a Center unless most of your listening is to Stereo.  The AC-1 uses 6 1/2 inch woofers whereas the Model T uses 8 inch woofers.  So the power handling on the TC-1 center is a much better fit.

james

I am 70% Stereo 30% Movies.  I am currently using an AC1 Micro but I would like to re-purpose it to another room with Mini A's. My Front Wides are Mini A's and Rear are On Walls.

I assumed the AC1 Center would be a better fit since it would compliment my surrounds.

Thoughts??

Thanks
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Apr 2021, 03:46 pm
I am 70% Stereo 30% Movies.  I am currently using an AC1 Micro but I would like to re-purpose it to another room with Mini A's. My Front Wides are Mini A's and Rear are On Walls.

I assumed the AC1 Center would be a better fit since it would compliment my surrounds.

Thoughts??

Thanks

Hi

Yes given the use and the rest of the system the AC-1 should be fine.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jun 2021, 11:59 am
https://www.audioemporium.com/bryston-speakers/
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Aug 2021, 02:32 pm
Hi James

I got a look at some large scale industry data and it said Bryston speakers account for 2% of global speaker sales over $5k.

Gary
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Aug 2021, 11:42 am
Audio Visual Designs - Malaysia

The Bryston Mini T speakers and one very happy owner. In his own words...

"I ordered the Bryston Mini T in walnut from the very friendly people at AV Designs. I wanted a bigger pair of speakers to move up from small monitors but felt that my room was not big enough to accomodate a pair of floorstanders. I was also looking for a pair of speakers which would give good quality bass. I am happy to say that the Mini T delivered on all counts. I like the honesty of these speakers. Its uncoloured and very neutral sounding. It tells it as it is.

Big wide soundstage with excellent details but without ever sounding harsh. The party trick is the bass presence. The detail and layering of the low frequencies was an eye opener. I have not experienced a bookshelf which can give such good well defined bass. Its a good all-rounder. It can rock loud as well as sound very good for low volume late night listening.

I am a happy bunny!"

His system comprises:-
Michel Gyrodeck/Origin Live Silver/Naga MP300
Aimee Phonostage
Raspberry Pi Streamer via Denafrips Pontus 2
Accuphase E470 Integrated Amplifier.

Mini T features & specs: https://bryston.com/passive/mini-t/


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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sleme on 6 Aug 2021, 06:45 am

  :o wow. Its more than a surprise to see my listening room all the way here.  :thumb:

I am the happy bunny!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Aug 2021, 10:34 am
  :o wow. Its more than a surprise to see my listening room all the way here.  :thumb:

I am the happy bunny!

Hi Sleme

Well thank you for your kind comments and glad you are enjoying the speakers  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sleme on 8 Aug 2021, 04:51 am
Dear James,

Thank you. I am loving the Mini Ts. It is a real jump in quality from the previous resident Harbeth Compact 7 and Buchardt S400. I love the scale and resolution. It has totally transformed my listening room. Just a couple of questions in terms of recommendations for fine tuning.

The pair I bought was a demo pair as it was the last pair in Walnut and I got it together with the stands. I really wanted the walnut as opposed to the rosewood. I noticed that the new Mini Ts have a mesh over the tweeters. Are they still the same tweeters as my unit?

In so far as the stands, should I get it filled up with sand?

Thank you. Its an amazing pair of speakers.

BTW, I am also amazed how easily my B60 (which is more than 20 years old) was repaired when it would not power up after years of abuse. Great service from AV Designs. Its now happily running with a new lease of life in a second a bedroom system.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Aug 2021, 10:17 am
Dear James,

Thank you. I am loving the Mini Ts. It is a real jump in quality from the previous resident Harbeth Compact 7 and Buchardt S400. I love the scale and resolution. It has totally transformed my listening room. Just a couple of questions in terms of recommendations for fine tuning.

The pair I bought was a demo pair as it was the last pair in Walnut and I got it together with the stands. I really wanted the walnut as opposed to the rosewood. I noticed that the new Mini Ts have a mesh over the tweeters. Are they still the same tweeters as my unit?

In so far as the stands, should I get it filled up with sand?

Thank you. Its an amazing pair of speakers.

BTW, I am also amazed how easily my B60 (which is more than 20 years old) was repaired when it would not power up after years of abuse. Great service from AV Designs. Its now happily running with a new lease of life in a second a bedroom system.

Hi sleme

If they are new tweeters they will have the mesh - they can be retro fitted and replace the older tweeters without any changes to the crossovers etc.  The new tweeters offer better off-axis response.

I use ball-bearings in my stands - the trouble with sand is it will leak out of the stands.

ENJOY!

james

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Sep 2021, 10:36 am
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Mini T Speakers – Dealer Feedback

September 2021

The Bryston Mini T loudspeaker fronted by the Octave RE320 all tube power amp is startling.

Dynamic, detailed and full bodied. This less than 2 cubic feet box will surprise you. Its capable of genuine deep bass requiring just a nudge from the REL to get the below 30HZ range fleshed out.

This speaker has impressed me greatly.

El Paso,
Texas

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: sleme on 3 Oct 2021, 05:20 am


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My old and trusty B60 stopped working. This was a used unit that I purchased more than 10 years ago. I sent it to AV Designs here in Malaysia to have it repaired. Whilst it was being repaired, I came home with a pair of Walnut Mini Ts which replaced my resident Harbeth Compact 7-es2. The Mini T settled in very will with the Accuphase amplification on my main setup. Over the years having the Harbeth, I forgot how good bass sounded like!  :lol

So when the B60 was ready for collection, I decided to pull the trigger when I was offered a pair of Mini A to go with it. It was the last unit in the shop. The B60 used to drive a pair of Harbeth P3esr (then Burchardt S400) in the bedroom setup. I suppose my expression of happiness with the Mini Ts prompted them to suggest I buy the Mini As as well.

I wasnt prepared on brilliant the Mini As were with the B60. A completely new lease of life for the B60. What an amazing pair of speakers. A proper mini version of the Mini T!

Bryston speakers are good in their own right and it seems to be a hidden secret amongst people who own them. Most of whom also have Bryston amplification. From my experience with the Mini T and Mini A, they are such well designed all-rounder speakers which have given me hours of joy regardless of the amplification used. Love the raised eye-brows of audio friends that come around, "Bryston speakers?". Then hear the positive comments before they put it in their shortlist of future speakers to be considered.

Thank you for such a great product!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Oct 2021, 03:52 am

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Oct 2021, 03:53 am

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Oct 2021, 06:29 pm
Folks you know your speakers are held in high regard when a quality speaker stand manufacture in Germany purchases your speakers and builds a custom stand for the speakers.

"At the last held show in Munchen before this pandemic situation I presented my products in the Bryston booth  with courtesy of my Austrian distributor Avitech

The product that stand out as a most impressive in whole show were  Bryston Mini T speakers, which gave  enormous amount of really good sound even in those conditions.

To cut the long story short, I bought these speakers for myself, and use them happily in rotation with my other reference speakers."

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=231387)

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Nov 2021, 10:22 pm

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: 1oldguy on 28 Nov 2021, 09:20 pm
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As much as i like the speakers....i'll take the Bryston Girl!!!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: fbny71 on 23 Jan 2022, 02:57 am
Naive a pair of Middle T Active that I’d love to buy the outriggers for, can someone point me to where I can purchase on the US?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jan 2022, 12:39 pm
Naive a pair of Middle T Active that I’d love to buy the outriggers for, can someone point me to where I can purchase on the US?

Hi

Where are you located?

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: fbny71 on 24 Jan 2022, 03:34 pm
Long Island, NY
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Jan 2022, 03:48 pm
OK email Melissa and she can help you out.

mmyles@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Testsystems on 12 Sep 2022, 01:15 pm
"I use ball-bearings in my stands - the trouble with sand is it will leak out of the stands."

ENJOY!  james

I would also suggest an even better solution for loading speaker stands is Cast Steel Grit ( G10-G16 size) sold by abrasive companies.  It is inexpensive, heavy, small in size for easy filling and interlocks when in place.  We used it extensively in hollow framed machine bases for vibration control in very sensitive industrial measurement systems. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: fbny71 on 27 Sep 2022, 05:09 pm
Can a pair of Middle T Active be "converted" to "passive"?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Sep 2022, 07:49 pm
Hi

Not very easily - I think it would have to go back to the factory.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Testsystems on 12 Oct 2022, 04:13 pm
Re Conversation of Active to Passive speakers.   Might I suggest purchasing from Bryston the passive crossovers and building them into an external box with outputs that would connect to the low, mid and tweeter speaker inputs.   Ie the setup of the original Bryston Signature T speakers.   It is not technically difficult if you can handle a drill and soldering iron. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: fbny71 on 12 Oct 2022, 05:09 pm
I was thinking the crossover might have been integrated onto the speaker terminal jack plate like so many other speakers.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: whydontumarryit on 13 Oct 2022, 12:39 am
I was thinking the crossover might have been integrated onto the speaker terminal jack plate like so many other speakers.

If there is a middle t signature the outboard xover is a direct replacement for the active version. You sell the bax and amps you don't need anymore. Why are you changing anyway. The actives sell for double the price now if you bought years ago and used passive middle ts should pop up on the market eventually.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: fbny71 on 13 Oct 2022, 11:54 am
Essentially simplification. One of my Middle Ts had an issue and the trouble shooting to confirm the problem was in fact with the speaker was a bit of a nightmare with the extra amps and crossover. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Oct 2022, 12:37 pm

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: whydontumarryit on 15 Oct 2022, 09:46 pm
Essentially simplification. One of my Middle Ts had an issue and the trouble shooting to confirm the problem was in fact with the speaker was a bit of a nightmare with the extra amps and crossover.

I had a look at your system page. I doubt you wouldn't regret going passive with your setup. You got pissed because the troubleshooting strategy was less than perfect. It's over with and now you can get back to listening. If you need something to complain about I would start with those tile floors in your basement, not so much for the reflections but for the sake of your back.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: veloceleste on 16 Oct 2022, 12:34 pm
From the Bryston Active Speaker Brochure:
“Any of these three models can also be purchased as a passive model (therefore including an internal crossover and only requiring a traditional 2 channel amplifier) and can be upgraded in the future to a full Active system for simply the cost of the BAX-1 crossover plus the extra amplifier channels.*
* True of loudspeakers produced in 2018 or beyond”
I would confirm with Bryston.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Oct 2022, 01:37 pm
Sorry that was a misprint.

It might be a good idea going forward though as we have had a lot more interest in Active systems lately.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 16 Oct 2022, 02:56 pm
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=245609)

   I'm glad to see this article, finally someone else confirms for me what I've been saying for years. My Model T passive speakers kick ass.
My secondary system in my bedroom/office is pretty darn good mainly due to room acoustics. When I move to the big rig the Model T's take the music to another level of enjoyment, very Live like in my opinion having been to the real thing.

My 9th Model T anniversary date is fast approaching and preparations are underway. Probably be a low key celebration this year as the big event will be the 10th anniversary. As always deciding on this years playlist is the challenge as I tend to listen to music that has been tried and proven as opposed to listening or searching for new to me material that ends up to be less than satisfying. :smoke:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: fbny71 on 17 Oct 2022, 12:58 pm
I had a look at your system page. I doubt you wouldn't regret going passive with your setup. You got pissed because the troubleshooting strategy was less than perfect. It's over with and now you can get back to listening. If you need something to complain about I would start with those tile floors in your basement, not so much for the reflections but for the sake of your back.

I wasn't nor am I pissed, it was an inconvenience but things go wrong sometimes, that's easily understandable. It did make me reconsider going active mainly because I ended up getting another pair of floor standers while the issue was resolved. I don't need both pairs as I only have the one space in the basement - which is always a work in progress BTW is comfortable and sounds good to my ears - so I'm just weighing my options!   
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: fbny71 on 17 Oct 2022, 01:01 pm
From the Bryston Active Speaker Brochure:
Any of these three models can also be purchased as a passive model (therefore including an internal crossover and only requiring a traditional 2 channel amplifier) and can be upgraded in the future to a full Active system for simply the cost of the BAX-1 crossover plus the extra amplifier channels.*
* True of loudspeakers produced in 2018 or beyond”

I would confirm with Bryston.

Sorry that was a misprint.

It might be a good idea going forward though as we have had a lot more interest in Active systems lately.

james

@James Tanner, you're saying that the text I bolded was a misprint?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: fbny71 on 17 Oct 2022, 01:01 pm
From the Bryston Active Speaker Brochure:
“Any of these three models can also be purchased as a passive model (therefore including an internal crossover and only requiring a traditional 2 channel amplifier) and can be upgraded in the future to a full Active system for simply the cost of the BAX-1 crossover plus the extra amplifier channels.*
* True of loudspeakers produced in 2018 or beyond”
I would confirm with Bryston.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Oct 2022, 03:33 pm
The ability to go from a passive to an active was a misprint.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: fbny71 on 17 Oct 2022, 04:07 pm
But active to passive might be a possibility?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Oct 2022, 04:15 pm
You would have to use the Passive crossover in an external box.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: fbny71 on 17 Oct 2022, 06:47 pm
Thank you, good to know.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Blueshound on 27 Oct 2022, 02:40 pm
Having upgraded my Model T passives to active a couple of years ago, I can't imagine going back. The step forward (more like a sprint) in sound quality is too important for me.

Cost be damned.  :icon_twisted:

In fact I'm still seriously contemplating T-Rex.

Brian
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Lappy27 on 22 Nov 2022, 02:22 am
Hi all,

Looking for input from passive Model T owners and of course M. Tanner.

I’m currently shopping for true full range speakers to avoid subwoofer(s) if possible. I have a powerful amplifier (Michi S5 and his P5 companion) that is slightly tilt on the warm side of neutral as solid state goes. The combo really packed a punch.

I heard Model T a couple of times in the Bryston room at the Montreal show in the past and I always been really impressed. I’m just concerned about some comments from a professional reviewer that wrote that the T’s lacked sparkle in the highs and ultimate resolution. He also wrote that the T’s didn’t fare well in near field because of the height of the tweeters. My listening position will be an equilateral triangle of about 9 feet.

From memory, I know I would get great natural mids, dynamics and terrific bass with the T’s. But what about resolution, air and details? Decent, good, great?

For reference, I had until recently the Focal Electra 1038 BE. I really liked their resolution and speed but would like more robust low end.

Thanks for any input about my concerns.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 22 Nov 2022, 07:41 am
Hi all,

Looking for input from passive Model T owners and of course M. Tanner.

I’m currently shopping for true full range speakers to avoid subwoofer(s) if possible. I have a powerful amplifier (Michi S5 and his P5 companion) that is slightly tilt on the warm side of neutral as solid state goes. The combo really packed a punch.

I heard Model T a couple of times in the Bryston room at the Montreal show in the past and I always been really impressed. I’m just concerned about some comments from a professional reviewer that wrote that the T’s lacked sparkle in the highs and ultimate resolution. He also wrote that the T’s didn’t fare well in near field because of the height of the tweeters. My listening position will be an equilateral triangle of about 9 feet.

From memory, I know I would get great natural mids, dynamics and terrific bass with the T’s. But what about resolution, air and details? Decent, good, great?

For reference, I had until recently the Focal Electra 1038 BE. I really liked their resolution and speed but would like more robust low end.

Thanks for any input about my concerns.

First of all I beg to differ from professional Reviewer, his opinion might be the case if you play the speakers neutral, I don't. I use a mixer and boost the treble +2, Mids +2 and bass between +2, +3. Also I use a Power Conditioner that keeps the voltage steady so there's no lag in the bass.
  I don't have an ideal room and it is somewhat lively, I face the speakers so they reflect off the back wall and I get a beautiful Phantom stereo image coming off my front wall that is 15' wide 8' tall. This is spectacular imaging and I doubt very much that there are other speakers that could pull this off, probably not many, this attests to the accuracy of these speakers.

Now with the bass, going +3 is definitely heavy bass that requires more power from an amp. The Model T passives can play this no problem and you won't need a sub, just that an amp with more watts then my 3B SST2 outputs.

 I tweak my recording, if you think the treble lacks something. I can play you Made In Japan by Deep Purple, Ritchie Blackmore's guitar my god sounds so awesome with an edge to it. So you know these speakers can play it if it's in the recording. And if you don't want that kind of edge then set the tone control back to +1 or neutral.

As for resolution, not detailed to the extent of my Custom Studio headphones, where I can hear reverb. But excellent resolution without hearing these recording artifacts. :smoke:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Nov 2022, 12:47 pm
Hi

Bryston speakers including the Model T are all designed using a very large anechoic chamber in our factory.  The advantage of an anechoic chamber (which by the way not many speaker companies have) is there are NO REFECTIONS in the measurements.  So you get a real picture of what the speakers true polar response is in all directions.

The graph shows the Model T Passive speaker and as you can see there is no drop off in high frequencies in either the ‘listening window’ or the’ sound power’ – which are the 2 most important measurements with any speaker.

If the speaker sounds rolled off it is much more a function of your listening room and listening position than the speaker itself.

Best
James


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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Blueshound on 22 Nov 2022, 03:47 pm
My experience is that the Model T Signatures and the active versions are very linear and neutral sounding. The upper registers are in very good balance with the mids, and about as open as you are likely to come across with dynamic drivers requiring crossovers. The active variants are equally well balanced, but audibly more revealing and dynamic across the speakers' bandwidth.

I started with passive Model T Sigs, and then upgraded to the Bax and the actives. I have a listening space that is larger than average, which does double duty as a theatre. 2 channel music listening is roughly 80% of the use of the room, which is 25' deep by 18' wide with a 10' ceiling. I use moderate aborbing panels spaced along the side walls, one similar panel centered on the rear wall, and one moderately absorptive "cloud" on the ceiling, between the speaker locations and the primary listening seat. The panels are only 1" thick so that they primarily affect only first reflections at higher frequencies. I've intentionally avoided absorption at lower frequencies, such that the room remains reasonably "live". The front plane of the speakers is roughly 40" from the rear wall. The preferred seating position is roughly 12' from the speakers, with the front L & R speakers roughly 10" apart.

The speakers do not perceptually roll off higher frequencies, but I can see how a room with excessive damping, particular if it absorbs down into the upper mids, could create such an impression. Listening to better mixed recordings, I hear a great balance between tonality, dynamics, range even into relatively low frequencies, and soundstage.

The off axis "sound power" really seems to contribute to the adaptability of the speakers in different positions and rooms. I do find that having the speakers well away from the wall behind really opens things up. The other consideration is toe in. IMO, too much toe in makes for irregularities in perceived depth across the width of the "stage", and pushes vocals and mid-heavy instruments back. Many users toe their speakers in too much, depending on their listening space, of course. Less toe in will often create the impression of sounds both in front of and behind the plane of the speakers.

YMMV, but try adjusting toe in.

Brian

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: whydontumarryit on 22 Nov 2022, 10:17 pm
Hi all,

Looking for input from passive Model T owners and of course M. Tanner.

I’m currently shopping for true full range speakers to avoid subwoofer(s) if possible. I have a powerful amplifier (Michi S5 and his P5 companion) that is slightly tilt on the warm side of neutral as solid state goes. The combo really packed a punch.

I heard Model T a couple of times in the Bryston room at the Montreal show in the past and I always been really impressed. I’m just concerned about some comments from a professional reviewer that wrote that the T’s lacked sparkle in the highs and ultimate resolution. He also wrote that the T’s didn’t fare well in near field because of the height of the tweeters. My listening position will be an equilateral triangle of about 9 feet.

From memory, I know I would get great natural mids, dynamics and terrific bass with the T’s. But what about resolution, air and details? Decent, good, great?

For reference, I had until recently the Focal Electra 1038 BE. I really liked their resolution and speed but would like more robust low end.

Thanks for any input about my concerns.

Get the Middle T. The right height, bass to 25hz and resolution, air and detail exactly as what you heard from the personal experience listening and not what some 'professional reviewer' claims.
Although, to be honest, having listened to the Middle T for quite some time there is this voice in my head that keeps saying beryllium tweeter, beryllium tweeter?
Good luck.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: veloceleste on 23 Nov 2022, 04:36 am
Get the Middle T. The right height, bass to 25hz and resolution, air and detail exactly as what you heard from the personal experience listening and not what some 'professional reviewer' claims.
Although, to be honest, having listened to the Middle T for quite some time there is this voice in my head that keeps saying beryllium tweeter, beryllium tweeter?
Good luck.
I directly compared in my system and with other amplification, the latest version of Reference 3 DeCapo BE with my Mini T’s and the aspect I liked least about the DeCapo was the beryllium tweeter. I found it overly bright and a bit harsh. The DeCapo did the spooky imaging/soundstage thing very well but also did not have the bass weight and punch or overall tonal balance of the Mini T.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Stovebolter on 23 Nov 2022, 04:52 am
Get the Middle T. The right height, bass to 25hz and resolution, air and detail exactly as what you heard from the personal experience listening and not what some 'professional reviewer' claims.
Although, to be honest, having listened to the Middle T for quite some time there is this voice in my head that keeps saying beryllium tweeter, beryllium tweeter?
Good luck.

I can only speak from my own experience, but the Middle T's, a 4B3, and a BR-20 are more than enough to keep me happy.  I'm happy with the tweeters I've got.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Nov 2022, 01:48 pm

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Testsystems on 4 Jan 2023, 12:35 pm
Hi James,

Happy New Year.   Can you please provide an update on the “Coming Soon” new Bryston speaker models listed on your website.  It’s been quite a while since you mentioned they were in development. 

Always interested in new speaker options. 

Tx Drew
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Jan 2023, 12:37 pm
Hi Drew - Happy N.Y. to you as well.

It looks like March as we are still playing with different driver layouts and crossover placement.

best
james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: whydontumarryit on 5 Jan 2023, 11:53 pm
Hi Drew - Happy N.Y. to you as well.

It looks like March as we are still playing with different driver layouts and crossover placement.

best
james


I asked the same question a few months back. Now I wonder if the current series is lacking somehow or technology (bah) has made them so passé that a new improved version is necessary or if it is sales driven.

If the new breed includes something like a 3/4 way line source (array) with 6.5” woofers (maybe purifi style) to duplicate, in a single, small footprint enclosure, that t-rex type system I have seen here, great.

Or a tiny, 2 way implemention of the mini-t that attaches to the wall optimized for use in a typical room where the location based on individual room dimensions is dictated by Bryston's very intricate (and correct) measurements for instruction on the user's best placement. This way we can finally forget about guessing at the right plosition for the speakers and do away with stands and spikes and who knows what else, let the dsp deal with the needed subwoofer output corrections below that shroeder frequency and taking the room variables out of the equation as much as possible that would be interesting.
If the laws of acoustics have somehow changed from a 100 yrs. ago I would be interested in that too.



Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: whydontumarryit on 6 Jan 2023, 12:01 am
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=246837)

In terms of accuracy it must be right up there, it's just that without some room treatment and a favorable speaker and listening positon and better than average electronics and the highest of the hi-rez recordings ( and the correct humidity level in my room:) ) it just doesn't cut it as being music listener friendly. I admit that this is primarily source material specific for the most part. I just wonder if that's my problem or Bryston's since people are under the impression that speakers with a flat FR are neutral and not being 'voiced' by the manufacturer. Your 'voicing' for the high frequencies just doesn't suit my situation being an average listener with my average sources of listening material.

It's all about compromises for me and I guess your speakers are just too accurate.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jan 2023, 02:14 am
Well accuracy is our mantra and I will not apologize for that. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: drummermitchell on 6 Jan 2023, 02:32 am
Voiced to what room,
Tiled wash room,gymnasium,living room,bedroom,outdoors,anchoic chamber.
IMPOSSIBLE EVERY ROOM Is DIFFERENT,just like people’s opinions.
Neutral works for me and yes my room is treated and yes I have Bryston speakers A1s ect ect.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jan 2023, 11:44 am
Come on - normal rooms - I do not know anyone that has his audio system in a washroom or an anechoic chamber  :)

Anechoic chambers are critical in designing a loudspeakers as it allows you to see what is happening on and off axis without reflection issues impeding the measurement.

Folks there has been decades of research into how speakers react in different rooms with different polar responses.

Please read my latest Newsletter for much more detail.

best
james


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=248455)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Stefan_DR3 on 1 Mar 2023, 08:38 am
In terms of accuracy it must be right up there, it's just that without some room treatment and a favorable speaker and listening positon and better than average electronics and the highest of the hi-rez recordings ( and the correct humidity level in my room:) ) it just doesn't cut it as being music listener friendly. I admit that this is primarily source material specific for the most part. I just wonder if that's my problem or Bryston's since people are under the impression that speakers with a flat FR are neutral and not being 'voiced' by the manufacturer. Your 'voicing' for the high frequencies just doesn't suit my situation being an average listener with my average sources of listening material.

It's all about compromises for me and I guess your speakers are just too accurate.

You're basing that on a review?

I would say you have been misinformed.  The speakers are more "friendly" compared to some I've heard them next to in the same room at the store (B&W 800 series) and next to my Thiels in my own room.  If anything they are a bit less resolving.

EDIT: nevermind, I see now you say you own the speakers but somehow don't know what to make of them. Suggest you get those tweeters checked out. There is nothing unusual about these speakers.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Stefan_DR3 on 1 Mar 2023, 08:46 am
Come on - normal rooms - I do not know anyone that has his audio system in a washroom or an anechoic chamber  :)

James, I think drummermitchell was referring to the other poster who mentioned "voicing".
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Mar 2023, 12:15 pm
Hi - If so my apology.

Voicing is not something Bryston has ever endorsed - either in amplifiers or speakers. 
We feel, you have to move towards neutrality as best you can based on the current knowledge and the research available.

best
james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: whydontumarryit on 2 Mar 2023, 03:42 am
Voiced to what room,
Tiled wash room,gymnasium,living room,bedroom,outdoors,anchoic chamber.
IMPOSSIBLE EVERY ROOM Is DIFFERENT,just like people’s opinions.
Neutral works for me and yes my room is treated and yes I have Bryston speakers A1s ect ect.
I wasn't smart enough to choose the A1's.

The A1s (and A2s) are probably great speakers since the design follows the original Model T concept and is how things should be done when considering a less expensive version that sacrifices practically nothing in comparison other than the LF response and useability vs room size (this is obviously a crock that I'm trying to foist on the impressionable) when there is no residential listening room that needs the Model T over the A1.
If the line array design is why it sounds great then obviously the mini a,mini t and middle t bear no resemblance to it compared to the A1/A2.
As an example, it was thought that the middle/mini t could be sold as a t-rex system to simulate a quasi line array. If this served some purpose other than to further accentuate their design faults I don't know what it could be. Also, the mirror imaged driver configuration isn't like the Model T and they can't both be right. If you wanted to 'experiment', why not put two TC1 centers on end for half the price and not have to worry about an avalanche.

This may be just my impression, I have noticed over the years that many owners have very positive opinions of Bryston speakers (mini and middle t only?) on the one hand then for some reason say they have decided to sell them and never offer any explanation for doing so.

Maybe room interaction and the design of the mini a/t, middle t is more of a 'thing' that's easily overcome with the Model T, A1/A2 design. As it is my middle t's and me suit a 10 ft. triangle in a 22 x13 ft. room and nowhere else and I have tried 14 different setup positions over the months. If the claim is that the tonality of the speakers never changes with respect to room position, that's true, as far as coherence related to phase or time anomalies (which don't exist with nearfield listening) the room dominates in a bad way with the result being a sweet spot only inches wide rather than the couch wide locked on imaging claimed by the reviewers and many here on the forum. These speakers have an uncanny ability to be completely incoherent with little effort  on my part.
Maybe there is a defect with my speakers that has been there since I got them. Not doing something about it says more about my foolish adherence to reputation making me think that it must be something else other than my speakers causing the problem. That is, even if it is a defect and replacing the tweeters (or whatever) solved the problem I would be no less disappointed if it did not make a difference. At this level of performance expectation if there was a defect I would have them repaired, sell them immediately and never go near the company again.
That's just speculation, measurements made show no obvious problems, both speakers measure the same and reasonably uniform at the LP. BTW, when you do a nearfield measurement (1” at just below tweeter on axis) as you would see for a typical online review it's amazing how flat the measurement is and still not account for what I hear. They are exactly as designed, I fear.

A member with an AC1 center channel recently described a problem with poor off axis sound, that echoes what I have been hearing with my middle t's, which was solved by replacing both tweeters. I hope there is nothing generic about his problem. It could be a case of saving $90 to upgrade his tweeters and the ordeal was nothing more than a hoax. (He removed the screens on the tweeters and thought that it may have sounded better when his complaint was that his measurements show a severe rolloff after 12khz. He also decided to add some stuffing to the enclosure 'for good measure' and heard a difference).

Another member made the cogent observation that this upgrade:
“Sent my 4BST in today for the Tier 1 upgrade. Can't wait to see how she looks and sounds when I get her back.” ( how could it not be a great idea…)
Will have this result:
“The difference will be shocking in the best possible way.” (when someone else thinks the same way I do!)

This is just to emphasize the crazy shit hyperbole that people post to forums and that I'm not one of them. My personal descriptions are straight-ahead listening not confirmation bias or agenda driven.

So, is the Middle-T speaker lame compared to the Bryston A1? They both can't be right, right? For that matter, is the Mini A and a decent pair of subs better than the Middle-T? Stranger things have happened.










Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Mar 2023, 12:49 pm
I think I will pass on this whydontyoumarryit - its not going anywhere and you are entitled to your opinion
I agree though that there is more marketing than science in the audio business and thats a problem.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: whydontumarryit on 20 Mar 2023, 03:25 am
I think I will pass on this whydontyoumarryit - its not going anywhere and you are entitled to your opinion
I agree though that there is more marketing than science in the audio business and thats a problem.

james
Not getting involved is as sensible as it gets because there is no right answer. Anyway, I put the Middle Ts on the long wall. A lot less to complain about, still not all they were cracked up to be. Live and learn, eh.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Mar 2023, 12:03 pm
Just so our customers know here is what John Atkinson from Stereophile said about our Middle T.

And again I must point out that excellent cumulative spectral-decay plot. It is uncommon to see a large, affordable tower speaker with so clean an initial decay.—John Atkinson

Folks - Notice how clean the step response and decay over the complete frequency response is!

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=251115)

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: alanford69 on 22 Mar 2023, 02:31 pm
Hello, I am very curious to listen Bryston Loudspeakers and most of all I am interested in the the Middle T model.
Unfortunately they are not common here in Italy so I guess I should contact the local distributor but before than that I would like to hear if anyone had a chance to compare them to ProAc Response Series (I own a pair of D30DS) and what to expect in terms of main differences (clarity, low freqs, punch and liveliness, soundstage etc.)

Thank you in advance!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: whydontumarryit on 22 Mar 2023, 03:38 pm
I was looking for a response from the crowd. Since that hasn't happened my complaints seem to be one-off and that post doesn't serve any purpose. Delete it, and this one, if you care to.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Mar 2023, 07:43 pm
Hi

No problem - all opinions welcome.

James
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: whydontumarryit on 24 Apr 2023, 10:44 pm
What's the skinny on the T10 series specs?
If you haven't included it I would be interested in driver separation, shadow flare, diffraction, vertical directivity, overcoming the inverse square law, and how much can you blame inflation for price increases.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Blueshound on 28 Apr 2023, 12:32 pm
I'm absolutely an early order, if not preorder, for the new Model T 10's, when production starts to come available. Biggest decision at this point is how long to wait before putting my Model T Signature's up for sale. I can tear myself away from them for a little while before receiving replacements, but it is a calculation.

As they say, a first world problem.

Brian
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Apr 2023, 01:17 pm

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jul 2023, 01:30 pm
Sneak peak at the new Bryston Compact T10 speaker.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=254708)


Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jul 2023, 05:07 pm

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Armaegis on 30 Jul 2023, 05:36 pm
Sneak peak at the new Bryston Compact T10 speaker.


Compact 3-way... smaller than the mini?! When will we have more information on this?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Jul 2023, 06:51 pm

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=255198)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Pranderso on 10 Aug 2023, 08:07 pm
That Compact T looks really promising as a partner for my soon-to-arrive B135 3.  Certainly looks like the ideal size for my den - 3.5 m x 5.5 m.  I still think in feet and inches, which is how I measured; 11’6” x 16’6”.  Speakers around the size of the Compact T have worked very well in this room, across different makes and models.  I’ll be checking in with my local retailer, to see about bringing in a pair for audition.

One question I’ll have in mind; how well do they perform at lower volume, for quiet evening listening?  Not that I never turn up the dial for some ‘60s rock, but…
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Aug 2023, 08:49 pm
Hi Pranderso

The Compact T10 is average efficiency but 50 watts or so would be fine in your room size.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Pranderso on 10 Aug 2023, 09:15 pm
Acknowledged with thanks, James.  Do you mention the relative efficiency and power requirement because that correlates to a fully articulate sound at relatively quiet SPLs?  It may be so, I never made that connection, claiming no technical expertise.
  I have noticed that some speakers, such as the ATC SCM 11s must be played fairly loudly before you feel you are getting all the musical information.  Others, such as the Harbeth Compact 7, can be played quite softly, and you still feel you are still hearing all of the tone and detail.

That is what I was trying to get at with my question about the Compact Ts. You may already have addressed  that implicitly, if so, please pardon me.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 10 Aug 2023, 10:25 pm
8ohm speakers..the Mini t's are 4ohm speakers if I remember correctly having owned a pair as well as several pairs of mini A's.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Aug 2023, 12:54 am
HI

Yes the Power Curve on our speakers are fairly constant so low level listening with micro dynamics is possible.
Horns are the best at this feature though.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Pranderso on 11 Aug 2023, 02:41 am
Ah!  Many thanks for that.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Sep 2023, 11:43 am
Hi Folks

Just a clarification – we are introducing a new series of Bryston speakers called the T-10 Series (10 years since we introduced our first speakers) very soon.

We will also continue with some of the previous speaker models as well and designated as the Classic Series.

The T-10 Series will have 3 new Bookshelf style speakers and 3 new Tower Speakers.

We are adding one new speaker to the Classic Series – a small 2-way bookshelf.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Pranderso on 2 Sep 2023, 11:53 am
I’m looking forward to the chance to hear the new releases, especially the smaller bookshelves.  That’s the format that has worked best for me so far over the years, given the size of my room, musical taste etc.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Sep 2023, 01:52 pm
Hi Folks

Some customers have asked about what models will be available in the new Bryston T-10 models.

Here is a picture showing the different models.

From Left to Right:
T-10, Middle T-10, Trim T-10, Tiny T-10  Wireless, Mini T-10, Compact T-10 and the Tiny T-10.


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=256690)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Pranderso on 16 Sep 2023, 04:10 pm
Tempted to order a pair of each; let the most suitable prevail.  Only insufficient funds and space hold me back…Well, and my wife might have something to say…
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Pranderso on 17 Sep 2023, 03:33 pm
Mr. Tanner, what are the dimensions of the coming Trim T-10?  How do the sizes of the drivers compare to those of the Mini T?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Sep 2023, 03:57 pm
Hi Pranderso

Here are the specs on both speakers.
The Trim T-10 has double the driver compliment relative to the Mini T-10.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=256723)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=256724)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Pranderso on 17 Sep 2023, 08:51 pm
Post with those dimensions acknowledged with thanks Mr. Tanner.  So, Trim but tall.  That will be too much for my room but the Compact T10 looks like a real contender.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Sep 2023, 11:06 am
Post with those dimensions acknowledged with thanks Mr. Tanner.  So, Trim but tall.  That will be too much for my room but the Compact T10 looks like a real contender.
 

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=256759)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Pranderso on 18 Sep 2023, 04:18 pm
Thank you once again Mr. Tanner.  Looks like the sweet spot for my 11 1/2 foot by 16 1/2 room; leaves me an ear-to-speaker distance around 7 or 7 1/2 feet.

Over the years, most of my time for music has been spent with 2 way speakers. I look forward to trying a well-balanced 3-way.

Any observations to share about the benefits and challenges of fitting 3-way speakers into relatively compact cabinets?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Sep 2023, 09:58 pm
Its an interesting question and I think 2-way speakers have been popular in the past because it does simplify the crossover complexity.
But a good 3-way can optimize the frequency band much better and one real advantages that is not totally understood is it can improve the 'Sound Power' response of the speaker.

best
james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: gene9p on 3 Oct 2023, 01:59 pm
are these available yet?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Oct 2023, 02:50 pm
Hi

As of next week I get my samples.

james :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Lilian on 5 Oct 2023, 06:33 am
Hi James,

Will there be a replacement for the A2 model?
The Trim T-10 is really a great speaker, but compared to the A2, I think the design is too far away.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2023, 11:21 am
Hi Lilian - the A2 will still be available under the Classic Series of our loudspeakers.

best
james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Lilian on 5 Oct 2023, 01:12 pm
Thanks James,

Does the Trim  T-10 use the same drivers (type and quantity) as the A2?
How do you see the advantages of a different arrangement and a bigger box?
Any comparisons between the A2 - Trim T?

Best regards
Erik
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2023, 01:45 pm
Hi Eric

Its a good question and it resulted from my experiences with the TREX speakers at shows and in my own listening rooms at home.
I just noticed that the dispersion and the bass smoothness of the TREX systems in any room I put them it was more balanced with better "Sound Power."
I believe it has to do with the "array" of the drivers and the placement of the woofers at both the floor level and the ceiling level. Most rooms suffer in the bass smoothness due to the standing waves and this arrangement seems to reduce that effect.
A TRUE LINE SOURCE speaker would be even better at this but that necessitates a floor to ceiling tall speaker to achieve - so the Line Array is a good option.
Maybe my next project will be a full Line-Source !

best
james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Oct 2023, 11:11 am

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=257424)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: dlevy on 11 Oct 2023, 05:38 pm
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=257424)

I buy all my gear at Fred's and just got a great Demo from the team there on the Model T's - they sounded fantastic.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Oct 2023, 01:19 pm
Hi Folks
A close up into the intricacies of the driver here in this photo. All our Bryston loudspeaker drivers are made in-house at the headquarters in Canada


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=258065)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Chewbacca 319 on 27 Oct 2023, 11:52 pm
Hey James.

Any updates as to when all the new speakers will be releasing? Would love to see all the models, especially the new planned subs and two way bookshelfs. Also would like to know pricing.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Oct 2023, 11:20 am
Hi - we are approaching the finish line.
This week we are doing the final measurements in the Anechoic Chamber and blind listening tests.

best
james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Chewbacca 319 on 31 Oct 2023, 12:00 am
Hey James. I was watching a recent video of someone who went to Toronto audio fest and in one of their rooms they showed off the new KLH Kendall 2F tower speakers. I had to do a double take because the tweeter midrange and woofers in the tower look identical to those in the A series from bryston, not to mention their surrounds look identical to axiom surrounds (see pictures attached) is bryston or axiom building these speakers for KLH, or perhaps they are just sourcing drivers from you guys?
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=258165)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=258166)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Oct 2023, 12:51 am
We are building all the KLH speakers.

 james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Dec 2023, 07:01 pm

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=259206)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Dec 2023, 05:48 pm
Hi Folks—please see the attached feedback on our new Bryston
T-10 Speaker.

These folks know what real instruments sound like!
http://www.camchestudio.ca/


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=259648)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Jan 2024, 12:03 pm

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=260414)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jan 2024, 06:37 pm

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Testsystems on 14 Jan 2024, 12:32 am
Hi James,

Is there the opportunity to listen to the Active T10 Trim or Line speakers in southern Ontario?  Any stocking dealers?

Tx Drew
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Jan 2024, 01:03 pm
Hi James,

Is there the opportunity to listen to the Active T10 Trim or Line speakers in southern Ontario?  Any stocking dealers?

Tx Drew

Hi Drew - What's a stocking dealer ?  :lol:

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Testsystems on 14 Jan 2024, 01:28 pm
Sorry. The term means the dealer has inventory.  Ie I am looking for the opportunity of a demo. 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Blueshound on 14 Jan 2024, 02:09 pm
Authorized dealers will typically have demo (floor) stock of specific models. Probably no dealer will have demo of everything, the lineup is broad for that.

The simplest thing might be to call dealers within any areas that you can travel to, and ask what they intend to display. Also, if you travel to locations other than your home area, that may broaden your opportunities.
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Jan 2024, 02:19 pm
Hi Drew

Mark Jones is planning on ordering a demo pair for the store.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Randyhandy on 22 Jan 2024, 05:42 pm
Can anybody point me to where I could find MSRPs for the T10 lineup of loudspeakers. In particular, actives. Can't seem to find anything online.

Tx,
RH
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jan 2024, 08:10 pm
Hi RH - email me please - jamestanner@bryston.com
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Feb 2024, 02:46 pm
Hi James,

We have done some demos in our studio for some people interested in hearing the Bryston Model T-10s and the response was strong!

They were astonished at how much the T-10s fill the room and how big the sound is. A comment we heard is “The sound stage is so big, it is like you are “inside” the music, with the band”. 
And another listener texted us when he got home, and said he was disappointed listening to his present speakers now!

I guess we could say “Once you go Bryston…you can’t go back”

It is really a daily pleasure to listen to the system. Our goal is to be able to do the BAX on them so we can go fully Active!

Mike

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: audiojanitor on 2 Feb 2024, 06:08 pm
Hello James,

I just purchased a pair of used Mini T speakers and it looks like they were manufactured in 2016, they have the new tweeter. Have there been any new improvements of this model since then? They sound fantastic, will probably buy some new amps. I have a pair of Axiom EP 500 and was wondering what the differences are in amplifier design compared to a Bryston active sub? Is Bryston collaborating in amplifier design with Axioms class D amps?
Always been a big fan of Bryston, owned and used many throughout my career in studio and sound reinforcement.

Thanks,

Randy
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Feb 2024, 07:43 pm
Hi Randy - no changes other than the Tweets - so you are up to date.
Th Bryston Active Subs are identical to Axioms version.
Class D is something we are looking at.  We have offered a few Class D products in the past but have used OEM modules from other manufactures.
We are currently playing around with some designs that are proprietary to us.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Feb 2024, 11:35 am
Tower BASS

Hi Folks – sneak peak at a new Bass Tower.
These towers will be available to match the new T-10 speakers, the new Middle T-10 speakers and the new Slim T-10 speakers.


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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Sco77 on 7 Feb 2024, 01:45 pm
So THAT'S why I felt a disturbance in the Force this morning!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Randyhandy on 17 Feb 2024, 05:31 pm
So, here's a dumb question: How would these bass towers be placed? Beside L or R? Middle? Behind you?
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Feb 2024, 06:34 pm
Hi Randy

Because bass frequencies below 150 are omni-directional there is a lot of flexibility.
But I think aesthetically to the inside or outside of the main speakers within a couple of feet.

james 
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Blueshound on 17 Feb 2024, 09:47 pm
I have some prior experience with this type of speaker configuration, where the enclosures containing the mids and highs were in one pair of cabinets, and the woofers were in another pair of cabinets. All were tall line driver configurations, and essentially produced sound from just above the floor to some moderate distance from the ceiling (from memory, ceiling height was at least 9'). This system was located in a fairly large, but certainly not cavernous, room. This room featured a shallow bay window in the wall behind the speakers, and single entry / exit doors on both side walls, but at the very rear of the room. The listening sofa was approximately 3.5' - 4 ' from the rear wall.

In that room the speaker system in question certainly loomed large, but nonetheless gave excellent results. There were definitely constraints on placement for any of the speaker cabinets.

The woofer towers wound up roughly 2' behind the mid-highs enclosures, and shifted roughly 2' closer to the side walls.

This is the type of placement I'd try first, if your room allows it. There are good arguments for placing the woofer towers asymmetrically, but my slightly OCD side likes the symmetry. I'd first prioritize the distance between the mid-highs enclosures for best response in the room, and also for soundstaging, then work on final position of the bass towers.

The size / volume of the room, distance of the prime listening seat to the mid-high towers, and how much space is then available to the sides and rear walls, will be a factor in positioning of the woofers. It's possible that no two rooms, or differing listener preferences, will arrive at the same placements.

This is a round-about way of saying what James said above more succinctly. Can you tell I've been giving this some thought since the Bass Towers were announced?   :popcorn:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Blueshound on 20 Feb 2024, 02:50 pm
Having received my T-10s over a week ago, I'm only now getting some time to listen. They are being used with the BAX-1, a pair of 7B3s for the woofers, and a pair of 4B3s for the mids and tweeters.

Yesterday I was able to run the first room measurements to see how the low frequencies in the room looked, and with an eye to whether any EQ adjustments in the low frequencies may be justified. The woofer placements, spread between top and bottom, do really seem to make for smoother response.

Switching to actually listening to some music  . . . wow! What is immediately obvious is dynamic impact, a new level of transparency in vocals and midrange instruments, and a large and defined soundstage (some recordings obviously better than others).

I'm excited to finish the tweaking (really just small changes in position and angle) and do much more listening. Much respect to James & Ian for what they've achieved.

Brian
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Feb 2024, 03:24 pm
Thanks Brian for the kind comments.

I really think this new driver configuration translates to a much smoother room response and a total disappearing act.

Send me a pic of your setup.  What finish did you choose?

best
james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Blueshound on 20 Feb 2024, 04:24 pm
Finish is black. The room does double duty as listening room and theater; I like the look of the finish of the speakers in your room, but I don't want light off the screen to reflect off a lighter finish on the speakers. In a different room I'd probably pick a different finish.

I'll send a pic, but it might be a while. It will be the speakers / screen wall; the head-end gear is in a wall unit on the rear wall, functional but not visually interesting.

I'm still working toward the "total disappearing act", but I'm close and I can hear the potential. I think this is largely about fine-tuning speakers placement and angle. Because of the theater-style seating in the room, I'm also a bit limited in terms of seating distance from the speakers, which then plays into the distance between the speakers relative to that seating distance.

Brian
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Feb 2024, 04:31 pm
OK thanks for the feedback - much appreciated.

james
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Blueshound on 29 Feb 2024, 02:24 pm
A quick update - with some minor position changes in the room, and a work-around for the prime listener seating position relative to the T-10s, I'm now better able to appreciate what the speakers are capable of. 

Imaging, dynamics, transparency and full range, including into the lower bass frequencies, are all there. In a way that is world-class. The T-10s are very revealing of details in the recording, the mix and so on. It's not that they are so analytical as to make mediocre recordings unpleasant, it's more that you can easily hear even subtle differences.

A guitar tech once said to me that some recording engineers would rather track a typical Gibson acoustic guitar compared to a typical Martin, only because the Martin produces more harmonics, requiring more care to place into a mix, mic selection etc. There are recordings where, through the T-10's, you can tell whether the guitar is a Gibson or a Martin. The Model T's in active mode exposed such details as well, but this is a bit like Imax vs. your local theater.

Brian
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Mar 2024, 12:06 pm

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Mar 2024, 01:04 am

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Mar 2024, 04:30 pm
Left to Right - Dark Walnut, White, White Wash Maple

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Craig Chase on 5 Mar 2024, 04:56 pm
Jim - The T-10's look really good. I have 3 pairs of speakers still at my place in the $15,000-$20,000 range from recent reviews at Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity. We need to review some more Bryston gear. :)
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Mar 2024, 06:05 pm
Hi Craig - agreed  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Mar 2024, 05:07 pm
Hi Folks - I know I go on and on and on about the superiority of Active system so this ELITE 2024 status for the Bryston Middle T Active speakers makes me feel some level of vindication.

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Mar 2024, 08:20 am

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Mar 2024, 08:54 pm
Bryston Demo Room - Norway

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: Mag on 13 Mar 2024, 09:59 pm
  With out being able to hear that system setup, I'm sure it Kicks Ass! :drool:
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Mar 2024, 02:12 am
T-10 Customer in Norway

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Mar 2024, 08:44 am

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: shawngt2 on 15 Mar 2024, 10:05 pm
Hello James, Are Bryston speakers still available? Bay Bloor Radio weren't sure if they were being produced anymore and checked with their rep, but dead end. I'm looking for a tall pair of passive Bryston speakers and want them badly to pair with my 14B3!
Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Mar 2024, 01:15 am
HI Shawn

Not discontinued - in fact we are very busy currently.
There may be some confusion because when we announced the new T10 Series of speakers some thought we were discontinuing the Classic Series which we are not.
Email me and I will send you the latest literature.
jamestanner@bryston.com

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Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: inglisd on 25 Mar 2024, 07:29 pm
considering buying a used pair of Model T's but would like some advice on suitability
for the room I have:
- carpeted basement, ceiling tile, dims: WxDxH = 10'-8" x 22' x 7'-2"
- GIK panels at 1st and 2nd reflection points, front corner corner traps,
front wall diffusers
- room is used for 2 channel audio and video

current system:
- Bryston A3's, 4B3, BP173, BDA3, BDP2, BHA1, Torus TOT Max (source comps only)
Cambridge 851C, SVS SB-1000

I find the A3's great and intend to move these upstairs to our main living room
to pair with my other (older) Bryston system.

Are the Model T's (passive) suitable or "too much" for my use case ?
Dimensionally they are 15" taller than the A3's and slightly
larger width and depth: not as though they wont fit the space occupied by
the A3's.

Title: Re: Bryston Loudspeakers
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Mar 2024, 11:06 am

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