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The Commercial Zone => Audio Shows and Events => Rocky Mountain Audio Fest => Topic started by: OzarkTom on 20 Oct 2011, 04:01 am
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Well, that is what my wife said, I was acting like a 12 year old.
Thanks Pez for inviting me to post. I do apologize to all the other AC'er's about being a party pooper. Paul invited me to the evening get together, but my wife and I was very worn out. Plus we were visiting my daughter and grandkids in Denver, they had just moved there last year. There was just too much going on.
First my tastes. I like as much detail, and as much naturalness, and speed as I vcan get without losing that magic. I feel there is a very fine line you have to toe. My home system at the moment is the Dodd tube buffered Virtue Sensation amp, Gallo Stradas, and two Infinity subs. The subs is probably the weakest link, but I have never been too picky when it comes to bass. I prefer no crossovers to retain the speed if possible, and I like direct driven amplified speakers if possible. My system had the magic before I had Jason of Virtue mod the caps with the Duelund Alexander caps. At the moment, magic is gone. Detail is wild, but I was warned at the RMAF show I need to put at least 300 more hours to burn them in. I hate burn-in periods.
I met bpape at the show, he was a customer of mine about 30 years ago in Davenport Iowa. It was great to see you Bryan. He still owns some of my favorite all-time speakers, the Acoustats with DD OTL amps. Lots of great memories were rehashed.
Next will be the rewards I will give out, more later.
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Since I first went to the CES show about 30 years ago, I can safely say this show was far better than that show. Room acoustics was worst, very few room treatments were ever seen, power was so bad that whole floors would totally black out at times. Usually by the end of the day, I had terrible headaches from the screechy systems. You could easily count on one hand the good systems, and that was for the whole show.
The Awards:
Best sound(magic)-four way tie
YG-Tenor room-400K
Amps 75K, pre-amp-50K, speakers 110K, Dac, 30K, ouch
Kaiser Kawero room-$120K
Beautiful German speakers
Luxman Vivid Audio75K
Estelon room
By Sunday, there were getting to be quite a few rooms that were getting the magic. Every system there was better on Sunday than Friday.
Most improved-tie
Merlin and MBL
I know Bobby was puling his teeth out on Friday, but by Sunday this system was a lot better. MBL had just shut off the US distributor and introducing all new products. at the show. Much better on Sunday.
Most consistant-
GR Research
With 90% of the system running on battery, GR takes this award. It always sounded great.
Most ridiculous priced accessory
Nordost AC power cord-13K
Another might have been the 30K speaker wires that someone told me about, but I never located those
Best Cheap and cheerful system
HSU Research
Mr Hsu probably was mocking the whole show with this system. He was showing a $300 pair of speakers with a $500 sub, and Onkyo receiver. Mr. Hsu was using Home Depot lamp cord wire. This system had magic, many attendees came away shaking their head on this one.
Best Bass-tie
GR Research
HSU Research, Hsu also have their $1800 sub there.
PTE-More on this later.
More awards later, bedtime.
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HSU huh? Which subs of theirs did you hear? And were they using the MBM Midbass module? If so, what did you think of it?
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Sorry about the lack of pictures, that is not my forte either. Here is what I saw as the system that Mr. Hsu was playing.
(http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/HB-1satinblack-big.jpg)
(http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/VTF1SatinBlack-big.jpg)
He also had his biggest subs there, but he never mentioned a mid-bass sub while I was there. That could have been there. His $1495 sub was so unbelievable, I almost bought that one when he offered the demo for $995. I believe one of his previous customers from last year bought it.
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I had never heard of the Kaiser Kawero speakers, so I googled the name and people has had these speakers as best of show previously at the 2009 RMAF. There are also some rave reviews from the magazines on it. The inner components are the very expensive Duelund capacitors. The speakers are $66K. If I won the lottery, that might be the ones I buy. Small in stature so they would fit in a smaller sized room. Kaiser had the black version at the show, but here is a pic of the wooden ones. They look like a million dollars even in black.
I give these speakers the top craftsman award.
Just another high craft product from Germany.
(http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/lessloss4/3_3.jpg)
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Back in 2008-RMAF....Kaiser Kawero speakers with Master Sound electronics...their best showing....sound was excellent....large room...tube amps.
(http://live.audiogon.com/i/rmf2008/f/1224542200.jpg)
http://www.stereophile.com/rmaf2008/101208international/index.html
Back then....they were $50,000.00. Price has gone up a bit.... :?
They were good this year as well....in a smaller room. :thumb:
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Good to see you again Tom. It's been a LONG time. Now that we've reconnected, I hope it's a much more frequent thing.
Bryan
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HSU huh? Which subs of theirs did you hear? And were they using the MBM Midbass module? If so, what did you think of it?
They had the MBM there, but not hooked up. It was sitting in the back of the room.
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I had never heard of the Kaiser Kawero speakers, so I googled the name and people has had these speakers as best of show previously at the 2009 RMAF. There are also some rave reviews from the magazines on it. The inner components are the very expensive Duelund capacitors. The speakers are $66K. If I won the lottery, that might be the ones I buy. Small in stature so they would fit in a smaller sized room. Kaiser had the black version at the show, but here is a pic of the wooden ones. They look like a million dollars even in black.
I give these speakers the top craftsman award.
Just another high craft product from Germany.
(http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/lessloss4/3_3.jpg)
Tom, sorry we didn't get a chance to meet up. I should have sent you my cell number.
So...don't forget to mention the stuff that was driving them...none other than the top shelf Concert Fidelity DAC, preamp and monoblocks (they had vinyl there too, but I forget the names). MAsataka Tsuda (founder/developer) was again in attendance, as was Hajime Sato, his right hand man (VP marketing) and interpreter, as well as proprietor of Eastwind Imports. Great stuff! That's my preamp, btw, the Concert Fidelity CF-080. :thumb:
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I'll have some HSU speakers pretty soon I hope, I have to hear what all these folks are flipping over.... Thanks Tom!!!
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Tom I resemble that remark. :thumb: Us sixty year olds still have our 19 year brain. :wink:.
Not surprised one bit by the HSU demo. As us seasoned vetrans know it is not the cost of the system but the synergy of such. Second the differences between the so called best of the best is a very narrow avenue.
charles
SMA
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Little speakers (under 8" woofs) tend to sound better at all these shows....something we should all be aware of unless you have the luxury of larger rooms for your system.
I've never had that luxury - and found long ago that bigger speakers with big bass don't fit in well with modest areas allotted to it.
Treatments help, for sure - but, being realistic with what you have in a room helps more 8)
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chairguy - except for open baffle bass. You can use OB based bass in a pretty darn small room, or even in odd-shaped rooms that have bad acoustic bass properties. But, in general I agree with you - small spaces should use small(ish) speakers.
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Treatments help, for sure - but, being realistic with what you have in a room helps more 8)
Couldn't agree more. You've got to balance what the room will do to a speaker that works in that space.
Bryan
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Good to see you again Tom. It's been a LONG time. Now that we've reconnected, I hope it's a much more frequent thing.
Bryan
You got it Bryan, many more visits to come.
Tom
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Tom I resemble that remark. :thumb: Us sixty year olds still have our 19 year brain. :wink:.
Not surprised one bit by the HSU demo. As us seasoned vetrans know it is not the cost of the system but the synergy of such. Second the differences between the so called best of the best is a very narrow avenue.
charles
SMA
Yep Charles, you ate so right. Just stay away from those mirrors.
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Tom, sorry we didn't get a chance to meet up. I should have sent you my cell number.
So...don't forget to mention the stuff that was driving them...none other than the top shelf Concert Fidelity DAC, preamp and monoblocks (they had vinyl there too, but I forget the names). MAsataka Tsuda (founder/developer) was again in attendance, as was Hajime Sato, his right hand man (VP marketing) and interpreter, as well as proprietor of Eastwind Imports. Great stuff! That's my preamp, btw, the Concert Fidelity CF-080. :thumb:
My note taking was also bad Ted. The electronics was also very much the magic in this system. I will exchange cell #'s with you next year for sure.
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Best bang for the bucks-tie
GR Research room-If I had a big room, this would be the system I would go with, but since I don't, the next would be-
Earo Speakers
Single driver, no crossover, class D amp, balanced inputs. Just hook a Remote powered Dac with balanced outputs and there you have it. These are the $38000 with 8 inch driver, $18,000 for the pair with 5 inch driver.
(http://www.dagogo.com/assets/images/image/EVENTS/2011%20CES/Doug%20II/2011CES-Doug-II-18.jpg)
Fastest system at the show: Aero Speakers
Again, no crossover and self powered amp
The $18K system, if not snobby enough for your friends, just add the two $13K power cables from Nordost. That should do it.
Here is their website.
http://www.earo-us.com/Earo_Home.html
These just missed my top choice by a hair. The company had no room treatment, no power conditioner, and no extravagant power cords, only stock. They were very natural sounding on piano and female voice. They were using the Antelope Gold Dac and was getting magical music.
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Tom, thanks for this thread. I just downloaded a copy of the room layout .pdf, and I'm off to another circle to start a thread regarding speaker size/room size/show speakers. . .).
One quick question Tom (all?). When critiquing the rooms/speakers at the show and making a statement like, "if I had a large room, I would. . .", or "if I had a small room, I would. . . .", where roughly are we drawing the lines between large and small rooms, just to make sure folks are on the same page when discussing.
By the way, as a warning to everyone, I did a yahoo search for the RMAF web site (didn't try google to see if the same applies), and something funky is going on, because it is trying to autodirect to some junk shopping web site (or some other spam/virus/malware link), I think. If you copy/paste the URLs direct into a browser, the pages load fine, though.
Cheers!
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Love to hear those Aero's.
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Tom, thanks for this thread. I just downloaded a copy of the room layout .pdf, and I'm off to another circle to start a thread regarding speaker size/room size/show speakers. . .).
One quick question Tom (all?). When critiquing the rooms/speakers at the show and making a statement like, "if I had a large room, I would. . .", or "if I had a small room, I would. . . .", where roughly are we drawing the lines between large and small rooms, just to make sure folks are on the same page when discussing.
By the way, as a warning to everyone, I did a yahoo search for the RMAF web site (didn't try google to see if the same applies), and something funky is going on, because it is trying to autodirect to some junk shopping web site (or some other spam/virus/malware link), I think. If you copy/paste the URLs direct into a browser, the pages load fine, though.
Cheers!
I believe a larger room of 20x30 or larger would be much better for most of the larger sized speakers. The taller the ceilings, the much better the sound is. 15x20 or less, and you need to watch carefully on how big the speakers are. One of the best sounds I ever heard was in a room 20x25, three walls of glass windows that went 30 foot high. And all this guy was using were the big boxed Goetz speakers with a Revox receiver. There was no room treatmant anywhere and he had rock floors. That was sound to die for.
Everytime I went home from hearing his system, I did not want to even turn mine on.
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I had never heard of the Kaiser Kawero speakers, so I googled the name and people has had these speakers as best of show previously at the 2009 RMAF. There are also some rave reviews from the magazines on it. The inner components are the very expensive Duelund capacitors. The speakers are $66K. If I won the lottery, that might be the ones I buy. Small in stature so they would fit in a smaller sized room. Kaiser had the black version at the show, but here is a pic of the wooden ones. They look like a million dollars even in black.
I give these speakers the top craftsman award.
Just another high craft product from Germany.
(http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/lessloss4/3_3.jpg)
That's one speaker on my short list that I would like to hear, I know of individuals who have replaced their MBL 101E's with them which to me peaks my interest because I own a pair. I know of an individual who preferred them over many others that he auditioned in his home including Wilson Alexandra 2.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=36698)
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Gee, these awards keeps going on and on, sorta like the Grammys.
Best Bad A$$ system
PTE
The Statements at $52K will play more bass and more dynamics than any system at RMAF. Running 18" Altec drivers, modified, and tri amplification, you will be guaranteed to hit about 120db and 20 Hz bass.
The Phoenix will only hit 32 Hz. At the show, people mistakenly thought the Statements were playing, but it actually was the Phoenix. That is how deep these will go. The Phoenix runs only $5700, has good imaging and depth. The speakers impressed Marcel James of Antelope Audio so much at the show, he bought a pair to do the AES show in a couple of weeks. Marcel said those Pro guys will flip at the sound quality. They sure sounded great with the Zodiac Gold Dac at the show. No need to spend thousands on speaker cables. Pic is from an earlier show. These are guaranteed to break your lease.
Website: http://pteacoustics.com/pte_demo1_002.htm
(http://www.stereophile.com/images/060311pte-600.jpg)
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Worst System
The first day at the show, I heard a lot of the worst. I had to be very careful so I did not get a splitting headache. That was how bad it was. But many systems got much better.
Drum roll please.
(http://cdn.head-fi.org/2/20/350x263px-LL-2094d38b_IMG_1000.jpeg)
Levinson-JBL
Why? This actually could have been the best but I never went back. I walked into the room on Saturday, and a young guy was streaming on the computer, TV Theme songs. What? Gilligan's Island, Green Acres. Sure, that was the best I ever heard those but c'mon. Those are low rez recordings, can't the young guy hear that? No excuse!
The winner, worst system there.
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Second the differences between the so called best of the best is a very narrow avenue.
charles
SMA
Shhhhhh, Charles, you and I know that, but let's keep that a secret.
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Worst System
The first day at the show, I heard a lot of the worst. I had to be very careful so I did not get a splitting headache. That was how bad it was. But many systems got much better.
Drum roll please.
(http://cdn.head-fi.org/2/20/350x263px-LL-2094d38b_IMG_1000.jpeg)
Levinson-JBL
Why? This actually could have been the best but I never went back. I walked into the room on Saturday, and a young guy was streaming on the computer, TV Theme songs. What? Gilligan's Island, Green Acres. Sure, that was the best I ever heard those but c'mon. Those are low rez recordings, can't the young guy hear that? No excuse!
The winner, worst system there.
"Worst System" seems a bit unfair here. "Worst choice in program material" - Definitely! Could have sounded mahvelous with some other tunage.
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Back in 2008-RMAF....Kaiser Kawero speakers with Master Sound electronics...their best showing....sound was excellent....large room...tube amps.
(http://live.audiogon.com/i/rmf2008/f/1224542200.jpg)
http://www.stereophile.com/rmaf2008/101208international/index.html
Back then....they were $50,000.00. Price has gone up a bit.... :?
They were good this year as well....in a smaller room. :thumb:
I have heard Master Sound electronics paired up with a few speakers and was always very musical to my ears so it would be interesting to hear such paired up with these speakers.
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Best bang for the bucks-tie
GR Research room-If I had a big room, this would be the system I would go with, but since I don't, the next would be-
Earo Speakers
Single driver, no crossover, class D amp, balanced inputs. Just hook a Remote powered Dac with balanced outputs and there you have it. These are the $38000 with 8 inch driver, $18,000 for the pair with 5 inch driver.
(http://www.dagogo.com/assets/images/image/EVENTS/2011%20CES/Doug%20II/2011CES-Doug-II-18.jpg)
Fastest system at the show: Aero Speakers
Again, no crossover and self powered amp
The $18K system, if not snobby enough for your friends, just add the two $13K power cables from Nordost. That should do it.
Here is their website.
http://www.earo-us.com/Earo_Home.html
These just missed my top choice by a hair. The company had no room treatment, no power conditioner, and no extravagant power cords, only stock. They were very natural sounding on piano and female voice. They were using the Antelope Gold Dac and was getting magical music.
Interesting looking speaker, love the bright colour :thumb:
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Best bang for the bucks-tie
GR Research room-If I had a big room, this would be the system I would go with, but since I don't, the next would be-
Earo Speakers
Single driver, no crossover, class D amp, balanced inputs. Just hook a Remote powered Dac with balanced outputs and there you have it. These are the $38000 with 8 inch driver, $18,000 for the pair with 5 inch driver.
(http://www.dagogo.com/assets/images/image/EVENTS/2011%20CES/Doug%20II/2011CES-Doug-II-18.jpg)
Fastest system at the show: Aero Speakers
Again, no crossover and self powered amp
The $18K system, if not snobby enough for your friends, just add the two $13K power cables from Nordost. That should do it.
Here is their website.
http://www.earo-us.com/Earo_Home.html
These just missed my top choice by a hair. The company had no room treatment, no power conditioner, and no extravagant power cords, only stock. They were very natural sounding on piano and female voice. They were using the Antelope Gold Dac and was getting magical music.
Tom, the DAC in the picture is a Wyred4Sound DAC2. Why do you say they were using an Antelope Gold DAC?
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Tom, the DAC in the picture is a Wyred4Sound DAC2. Why do you say they were using an Antelope Gold DAC?
Ted, you caught me. The pic is from another show. I thought it was much netter than anything I took. I wanted everyone to see the Ferrari red speakers in all their glory. They did use this DAC at the Newport Beach show, but was using the Zodiac Gold at RMAF.
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That's one speaker on my short list that I would like to hear, I know of individuals who have replaced their MBL 101E's with them which to me peaks my interest because I own a pair. I know of an individual who preferred them over many others that he auditioned in his home including Wilson Alexandra 2.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=36698)
Dev, now that makes me wish I had gone back to the Kaiser room. That was about the fifth room I went to on the opening day of the show. Since all rooms were sounding better on Sunday, the Kaweros might have been the lone #1 choice.
The sound was so special when I heard it, I felt there was no need to go back. If people are replacing their MBL 101's with these, that is really something. I just know that would have been the system I would have went home with if I had been a winner of any show system of choice.
MBL did tell me to keep watch for a new review from Absolute Sound on the 101E MKII's coming soon.
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"Worst System" seems a bit unfair here. "Worst choice in program material" - Definitely! Could have sounded mahvelous with some other tunage.
Yep, that is what I said. It could have been possibly the best, but they chose the program material. Many other attendees had the same feelings, why in the world would they play Green Acres at RMAF?
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Ted, you caught me. The pic is from another show. I thought it was much netter than anything I took. I wanted everyone to see the Ferrari red speakers in all their glory. They did use this DAC at the Newport Beach show, but was using the Zodiac Gold at RMAF.
AHH! Well, glad they upgraded then. :) :wink:
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when pez, tyson and others complain about not being able to play their own music at RMAF, i wish they could have been in the focal room with me last year. some guy in a crowd of about 30 of us listening to the big EM's decided he wanted to hear what he called "a really bad recording to hear how they (focals) could handle it". so we had to sit through a garage recording of his friend's band who were as bad as you think they were. ridiculous. not like this guy was going to pull out $250K and buy them if he liked it. some manufacturer here had the best response: you should come with a lot of music and allow the crowd to pick out what they like. but yeah, gilligan's island would probably suck (although one room last year played a jazzy version of sesame street's theme and it was effin cool).
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when pez, tyson and others complain about not being able to play their own music at RMAF, i wish they could have been in the focal room with me last year. some guy in a crowd of about 30 of us listening to the big EM's decided he wanted to hear what he called "a really bad recording to hear how they (focals) could handle it". so we had to sit through a garage recording of his friend's band who were as bad as you think they were. ridiculous. not like this guy was going to pull out $250K and buy them if he liked it. some manufacturer here had the best response: you should come with a lot of music and allow the crowd to pick out what they like. but yeah, gilligan's island would probably suck (although one room last year played a jazzy version of sesame street's theme and it was effin cool).
One room I was in played a guy's music card. The recording wasn't bad, but then he gave the company a 10 minute critique of what the system was not doing right with the piece of music he had brought. No wonder so many companies refused to play people's music.
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AHH! Well, glad they upgraded then. :) :wink:
There were 4 rooms there that were playing the Zodiac Gold.
They were all sounding wonderful
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Getting back to Mr. Hsu, do you know if he was using one or two subs? Every year that man gets rave reviews using his subs along with inexpensive stuff he picks up at the local Best Buy as kind of an afterthought.
I'm not much of a bass freak but he's really onto something and has been for quite some time.
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when pez, tyson and others complain about not being able to play their own music at RMAF, i wish they could have been in the focal room with me last year...
Not every vendor is like that. This year we didn't play our own music in the focal room. I honestly can't remember why we didn't. Whether it was that we didn't ask or if they were unwilling or if someone else was listening to their own stuff who knows. Either way that room was phenomenal this year so no complaints from me.
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Getting back to Mr. Hsu, do you know if he was using one or two subs? Every year that man gets rave reviews using his subs along with inexpensive stuff he picks up at the local Best Buy as kind of an afterthought.
I'm not much of a bass freak but he's really onto something and has been for quite some time.
Just one at a time. Mr. Hsu had his whole lineup of the models he manufacture. The $449 sub was very adequate, but when he switched to the larger subs, it was obviously better. I was struck by how much detail, deep, and quick was on the bigger subs.
Today, I saw where Cnet's reviewer Steve Guttenberg fell in love with this system and has requested a review system.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-20122114-47/denvers-high-end-audio-show-wows-audiophiles/
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Well, that is what my wife said, I was acting like a 12 year old.
Thanks Pez for inviting me to post. I do apologize to all the other AC'er's about being a party pooper. Paul invited me to the evening get together, but my wife and I was very worn out. Plus we were visiting my daughter and grandkids in Denver, they had just moved there last year. There was just too much going on.
Hi Tom,
Glad to meet you and your wife early on Friday in one of the rooms. I assume the Paul you are talking about is me. If you come back next year, maybe arrive on Thursday night. There are a bunch of AC members that arrive a day early and you can party with us then. I agree that rooms in general were better sounding on Saturday and Sunday, but there were still some rooms that sounded good on Friday as well.
Cheers,
Paul Mah
p.s. I use the Hsu monitors (MK I version) in my bedroom system. Very good sounding speakers at an unbelievable low price. When compared with my other much more expensive stand mounted speakers, (AAD 2001, Heybrook H150) they lack fullness in the mid-range though.
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Hey Paul!!! How are the HSU's as a main in a small room (12 X 16-18)?? I want to run two setups both using the same front end-one with Virtue SS and one with MP-301 Tube?? Watch Tom Paul he and I talk so you know he must be crazy!!
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Hi Tom,
Glad to meet you and your wife early on Friday in one of the rooms. I assume the Paul you are talking about is me. If you come back next year, maybe arrive on Thursday night. There are a bunch of AC members that arrive a day early and you can party with us then. I agree that rooms in general were better sounding on Saturday and Sunday, but there were still some rooms that sounded good on Friday as well.
Cheers,
Paul Mah
p.s. I use the Hsu monitors (MK I version) in my bedroom system. Very good sounding speakers at an unbelievable low price. When compared with my other much more expensive stand mounted speakers, (AAD 2001, Heybrook H150) they lack fullness in the mid-range though.
Very nice to meet you Paul. I was there on Thursday but I still had to do the family thing with daughter. her husband, and grandkids. When you met me at the show, that was my daughter running around with me. Wife had no interest for some reason. My daughter's favorite was the $400K YG-Tenor set-up.
Do you use the sub with those HSU monitors? Hsu did play the speakers without the sub one time for one of the attendees, and it did lack the fullness as you said. Those must be played with the sub IMO.
Tom
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Dev, now that makes me wish I had gone back to the Kaiser room. That was about the fifth room I went to on the opening day of the show. Since all rooms were sounding better on Sunday, the Kaweros might have been the lone #1 choice.
The sound was so special when I heard it, I felt there was no need to go back. If people are replacing their MBL 101's with these, that is really something. I just know that would have been the system I would have went home with if I had been a winner of any show system of choice.
MBL did tell me to keep watch for a new review from Absolute Sound on the 101E MKII's coming soon.
OzarkTom,
I love my MBL's and I'm finally really content with what I have paired them up with amplification wise but as we know in this hobby there is always something else around the corner that peaks our interest.
The MBL's like current to drive them properly which unfortuantely usually means big power to sound their best but then all kinds of other issues awise, I have heard them with less and to me was just lacking.
One thing that peaks my interest with these Kaiser Kaweros speakers is being able to drive them nicely with say the MasterSound tube amps, very interesting indeed and I look forward to hearing such some time down the road.
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Hey Paul!!! How are the HSU's as a main in a small room (12 X 16-18)?? I want to run two setups both using the same front end-one with Virtue SS and one with MP-301 Tube?? Watch Tom Paul he and I talk so you know he must be crazy!!
:lol: Two peas in a pod? My bedroom is approx. 12 X 14 X 10) and they play plenty loud. I sometimes use my Sensation M451 in that room, and sometimes use an old Magnavox tube amp. Both amps produce a nice, clean sound with of course, the Magnavox being a bit warmer tonally. I think the current MK II version is about the same sensitivity as my MK I (91-92 db). I think your MP-301 will drive them with no problem. Up against my reference AAD 2001s, the Hsu lack some fullness in the mid-band and some transparency, but overall a fine sounding speaker and one that's cheap and cheerful. I haven't heard JBLs in a long while, so can't comment on how they will stack up against your speakers.
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Very nice to meet you Paul. I was there on Thursday but I still had to do the family thing with daughter. her husband, and grandkids. When you met me at the show, that was my daughter running around with me. Wife had no interest for some reason. My daughter's favorite was the $400K YG-Tenor set-up.
Do you use the sub with those HSU monitors? Hsu did play the speakers without the sub one time for one of the attendees, and it did lack the fullness as you said. Those must be played with the sub IMO.
Tom
Did your daughter have an interest in the sound, or was she tagging along to prevent you from opening your wallet? :lol: There were more women (wives, girlfriends, daughters, sisters, female audiophiles) and children at RMAF than any other show I've ever attended. Some of the women and children actually were there to listen. I actually like the smaller YGs better in the room next to the big ones. The big YGs had severe bass overload when I was in there listening.
I don't use a sub in my bedroom, as there's no room for one. I do have two subs in my living room, one for video, and the other for my Heybrook HB150s which only go down to approx. 40 hz.
If you come back next year, hang out with us for an hour or so.
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Thanks Paul!!! The MP301 will be the amp for those and I can use my JBL sub. I will then have a two systems using the same front end-one tube/HSU and one Virtue/JBL. A buddy is building me a passive remote controlled pre-amp that I'm having configured so I can run the same front end with either amp and speakers. Before you ask I'll tell ya why?...LOL "Because I can, man!"...LOL.
have a great weekend!! :thumb:
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Thanks Paul!!! The MP301 will be the amp for those and I can use my JBL sub. I will then have a two systems using the same front end-one tube/HSU and one Virtue/JBL. A buddy is building me a passive remote controlled pre-amp that I'm having configured so I can run the same front end with either amp and speakers. Before you ask I'll tell ya why?...LOL "Because I can, man!"...LOL.
have a great weekend!! :thumb:
The passive pre-amp will give you nice transparency but at the expense of diminished dynamics. It's been my experience with all passive pre-amps I've tried. I kept my Superphon Revelation II passive pre-amp for the longest time, but I reluctantly sold it because I wanted more dynamics. Best transparency of any pre-amp I've ever owned, either passive or active.
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Paul I may loose some dynamics but the remote will save me a lot of steps and bending over--I have like zero balance now and my hands are very hard to use precisely so the remote is the most important thing-I never thought I'd write that... :scratch:
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Paul I may loose some dynamics but the remote will save me a lot of steps and bending over--I have like zero balance now and my hands are very hard to use precisely so the remote is the most important thing-I never thought I'd write that... :scratch:
In that case, the remote is the best thing. Do you have a remote for your Squeezebox too?
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In that case, the remote is the best thing. Do you have a remote for your Squeezebox too?
Hi Paul,
Just caught who you were here. Nice meeting you at RMAF. Hopefully you've chatted with Rollo. :wink:
Sent pm.
cheers,
AJ