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Industry Circles => Spatial Audio => Topic started by: jachinboazicus on 6 Jan 2024, 07:14 pm
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https://tektondesign.com/product/signature-series/open-baffle-preorder/
This is interesting and really begs the 'good artists borrow' notion. $7K for a pair, and a $3K pre-order.
I've been wanting an OB sub ever since I heard the M3-style sub that Clayton had at the Lab.
Does anyone have more info on the Tekton's?
:popcorn:
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Where does it say its a sub?
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Yeah, edit the title and replace, "sub" with "speaker."
Seems like a cool design with an insanely low pre-order price.
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Where does it say its a sub?
"The first true open baffle loudspeaker from Tekton Design features our patented tweeter array and a 15-inch subwoofer in a beautiful, elegant package."
Granted, its not just a sub, its an OB sub and a tweeter.
I'm also confused on the language on the pre order. Is it $3K down to pre-order and $7K total? Or is it $3K for early adopters, and then $7K for the late-comers?
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Well, certainly a interesting design. That tweeter arrangement will generate some talk I bet.
charles
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I'm also confused on the language on the pre order. Is it $3K down to pre-order and $7K total? Or is it $3K for early adopters, and then $7K for the late-comers?
I saw on another site this same question discussed. It is $7k total with the $3k to pre-order.
Another open baffle sub came from a Steve Huff video. From Closer Audio and are called BOB. Don't know much about them other than Huff raves about them but he raves about almost everything. They are currently out of stock at this online etailer.
Here's a link to an etailer.
https://www.stereopolis.com/collections/bookshelf-loudspeakers/products/closer-acoustics-bob-pair-piano-black-walnut-finish
Here's a link to Huff's video:
https://youtu.be/G_xSbQylt50?si=pZU45S4ndAAgcQn_
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Well, certainly a interesting design. That tweeter arrangement will generate some talk I bet.
charles
If you look into their other enclosed options like the Double Impact and you'll see more interesting designs that often get questioned across the audio forums. Tekton has an explanation on why comb filtering isn't an issue, but that's their take. To be fair, I haven't heard a pair, and many people apparently love them.
Tekton aslo has the Lore, which is pretty similar to Zu, antother UT-based speaker co. just a short drive from Tekton.
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I saw on another site this same question discussed. It is $7k total with the $3k to pre-order.
Another open baffle sub came from a Steve Huff video. From Closer Audio and are called BOB. Don't know much about them other than Huff raves about them but he raves about almost everything. They are currently out of stock at this online etailer.
Here's a link to an etailer.
https://www.stereopolis.com/collections/bookshelf-loudspeakers/products/closer-acoustics-bob-pair-piano-black-walnut-finish
Here's a link to Huff's video:
https://youtu.be/G_xSbQylt50?si=pZU45S4ndAAgcQn_
Thanks for the info. I hadn't see the BOB.
I have looked at these:
https://gr-research.com/product/sub-series-triple-threat-with-flatpacks/
But I'll probably just hit up Claytonn to see if he'll build me an M-Force-like sub.
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Yeah, edit the title and replace, "sub" with "speaker."
Seems like a cool design with an insanely low pre-order price.
Edited.
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https://tektondesign.com/product/signature-series/open-baffle-preorder/
Those tweeters probably are not open on the back.
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Those tweeters probably are not open on the back.
Agreed. Enclosed tweeter with an OB sub. Its weird how few details are listed. Its like one of those weird crowdfunded experiments based on consumer trends. They haven't tested or built them--they are just selling the idea.
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I saw on another site this same question discussed. It is $7k total with the $3k to pre-order.
Another open baffle sub came from a Steve Huff video. From Closer Audio and are called BOB. Don't know much about them other than Huff raves about them but he raves about almost everything. They are currently out of stock at this online etailer.
Here's a link to an etailer.
https://www.stereopolis.com/collections/bookshelf-loudspeakers/products/closer-acoustics-bob-pair-piano-black-walnut-finish
Here's a link to Huff's video:
https://youtu.be/G_xSbQylt50?si=pZU45S4ndAAgcQn_
Is the $3K just a deposit? I was confused by the website too.
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Wonder how low the tweeters go before rolling off to the 15" sub? You don't see that many 15" midrange drivers.
I would guess the crossover is set high and the gain (volume level) will be low. Raise the woofer gain and the sound will be fatter, boomier with some heaviness and plum-iness. Baritone male voice will start to sound too thick and rich and speech clarity will begin to be affected. The open baffle design will compensate for some of the fat bass. The speaker will sound acceptable in some rooms, especially for $3000, but will be a disaster in others.
I have heard Tekton Brilliance speakers, which were also $3000 pr when released around 2017, and the one of the early Emerald Physics speakers with a 12" open baffle driver, neither handled the tweeter/woofer crossover region very well but they made some sort of music that some people liked.
REL's John Hunter has a good video explaining woofer properties and speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt3kYxInC4o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt3kYxInC4o)
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they made some sort of music that some people liked.
Finally a decent definition of audiophiledom :thumb:
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Suspect that's not a true "subwoofer." Just a regular woofer that may go down to 28 or 29Hz.
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Is the $3K just a deposit? I was confused by the website too.
From Pinwa at Audiogon:
They aren't really $3K. If you go to Tekton's Facebook page you will see that the $3K is like a preorder deposit. They will still charge you $7K. The exact post by Tekton was "$7K per pair. $3K deposit gets you in the queue."
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/tekton-open-baffle-speakers
and from Kennyc in the same thread:
looking at the Tekton website, seems like a promo vs deposit- confusing. I called Tekton who just verified that it is only a “deposit/down payment” for the 7k total.
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Does anyone know the crossover point? My guess is 400 hz.
I like how they made it look good, aside from the big alien eye. Ha.
Rocket Ronny
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I called Tekton who just verified that it is only a “deposit/down payment” for the 7k total.
That's strange. What is the incentive for putting down a deposit and waiting several months just to pay the retail price?
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That's strange. What is the incentive for putting down a deposit and waiting several months just to pay the retail price?
Ask the Decware customers on queue?
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It doesn't seem on the Agon thread as though anyone has contacted the company and determined whether the $3k is the preorder price for X number of customers....or whether it is the deposit on a $7k speaker.
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That's strange. What is the incentive for putting down a deposit and waiting several months just to pay the retail price?
You are putting your deposit down so you can secure a place in the purchase queue.
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You are putting your deposit down so you can secure a place in the purchase queue.
I understand getting in a queue for a product that already exists, but this product hasn't been designed yet as far as we know, so the deposit would be paying for R&D with a vague "first half of 2024" ship date. Why would I get in the queue for that?
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That's strange. What is the incentive for putting down a deposit and waiting several months just to pay the retail price?
Seems more like a kickstarter approach rather than a solid business decision.
They are maybe gauging interest in OB speakers amongst their customers given the growth of Spatial and Caladan.
Makes me wonder if the images are just renders? The lack of specs like weight, impedance, crossover, etc is super weird. Have they actually built any beta versions or are they just going for the massdrop/kickstarter model?
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Hmmm. Reading comprehension anyone? This is an OB speaker not a sub.
And it says clearly below the price starts at $7,000 per pair. The 3,000 is clearly a deposit.
Edit perhaps I'm off here but I believe the word subwoofer
Is just like that in the spatial X-3 series which is a powered
Sun inside of an open baffle
Speaker.
And perhaps
I'm
Wrong on the price. Maybe it's a promo price to raise capital for a new product ?
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Hmmm. Reading comprehension anyone? This is an OB speaker not a sub.
And it says clearly below the price starts at $7,000 per pair. The 3,000 is clearly a deposit.
The first true open baffle loudspeaker from Tekton Design features our patented tweeter array and a 15-inch subwoofer in a beautiful, elegant package.
OPEN BAFFLE ($3K PREORDER, BASE PRICE $7K)
$3000 / pair
Also it seems to be render of an idea that hasn't actually been built or tested since there are no specs.
Its also confusing as to whether the 'array' is actually OB or just forward firing.
Aaaaand this isn't Tekton's first OB speaker.
https://tektondesign.com/product/full-range-speakers/full-towers/ob-sigma/#color
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Hmmm. Reading comprehension anyone? This is an OB speaker not a sub.
And it says clearly below the price starts at $7,000 per pair. The 3,000 is clearly a deposit.
Edit perhaps I'm off here but I believe the word subwoofer
Is just like that in the spatial X-3 series which is a powered
Sun inside of an open baffle
Speaker.
And perhaps
I'm
Wrong on the price. Maybe it's a promo price to raise capital for a new product ?
It is not clearly a deposit because the word "deposit" was never used. It does sound like a promo price to gamble on a product not yet produced and evaluated by customers. I am not arguing which one it is. :scratch: That website page definitely needs a editor.
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I added it to the cart and that 3k preorder, 7k base price shows in the description in the cart but doesn't say anything like balance due?
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It is not clearly a deposit because the word "deposit" was never used. It does sound like a promo price to gamble on a product not yet produced and evaluated by customers. I am not arguing which one it is. :scratch: That website page definitely needs a editor.
Agreed. I posted before coffee. Disregard my comments :duh:
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Agreed. I posted before coffee. Disregard my comments :duh:
The 'reading comprehension' jibe went full circle shockingly quick--like coffee on the bowels.
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So still a mystery whether they are truly $3000 if you order now for the full price?
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Agreed. I posted before coffee. Disregard my comments :duh:
Well your post was noncommittal and ambiguous. Have you ever considered running for Congress? :jester:
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So still a mystery whether they are truly $3000 if you order now for the full price?
$3K 'deposit' now and $4K whenever the speaker is finished in probably 2024. Not sure if its in this thread or another forum but someone called to confirm.
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$3000 upfront to fund someone's expenses while he designs a speaker... hmmm. And it's not a discount.
Sounds like the offer from someone short of cash...
Nope.
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Well your post was noncommittal and ambiguous. Have you ever considered running for Congress? :jester:
Congress is committed ambiguity. :duh:
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$3K 'deposit' now and $4K whenever the speaker is finished in probably 2024. Not sure if its in this thread or another forum but someone called to confirm.
According to one of the posters on Audiogon which I quoted, he actually did call Tekton and confirmed that the price is $7k and the $3k is only a deposit.
I requote:
and from Kennyc in the same thread:
looking at the Tekton website, seems like a promo vs deposit- confusing. I called Tekton who just verified that it is only a “deposit/down payment” for the 7k total.
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$3000 upfront to fund someone's expenses while he designs a speaker... hmmm. And it's not a discount.
Sounds like the offer from someone short of cash...
Nope.
This is what it looks like to me, too.
Seem like Alexander saw the Spatial direction and sale, and decided to 'launch' an OB with the Tekton array slapped on it for just under the price point of the X4 to take advantage of the market space. The Caladan release was probably surprise. That said, I can't imagine that Clayton and Eric don't know each other.
All that said, I still really want to hear it if/when it happens.
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That tweeter arrangement defies all established ideas about comb filtering. It just looks like a hype... especially when there are some very good O.B. options out there in that price range-- without betting on something that doesn't currently exist.
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That tweeter arrangement defies all established ideas about comb filtering.
When I first saw the Impact Monitor's array of seven 1" dome tweeters, I wondered how it could possibly work. But its measured performance shows that this unusual design is not compromised—I keep coming back to that superbly even on-axis response—and that the array works well to control the speaker's treble dispersion.—John Atkinson
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Since the OP only posts in the Spatial Audio circle perhaps he is unaware of this circle that would have been a better place for this thread. :scratch:
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?board=90.0
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That tweeter arrangement defies all established ideas about comb filtering. It just looks like a hype... especially when there are some very good O.B. options out there in that price range-- without betting on something that doesn't currently exist.
It will be interesting to see how this tweeter array performs in an OB configuration and what design changes are needed to adapt it to OB. I'll be waiting for the YouTube video explanation on it.
Strictly a personal opinion: I have never warmed up to any speaker with more than 3 or 4 drivers because they will most likely be made with low-cost drivers and complex crossovers. I ain't sayin' it can't be done, just sayin' "keep it simple." If I pay $7K for a speaker, I want premium drivers and premium crossover parts. That's what you get from Spatial Audio in this price range.
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If there are no rear firing tweeters why would it matter?
Looks to be dipole/OB for the woofer frequencies only.
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Since the OP only posts in the Spatial Audio circle perhaps he is unaware of this circle that would have been a better place for this thread. :scratch:
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?board=90.0
I posted it in the Spatial circle because its pretty obvious that Tekton, a UT-based brand is biting the ideas of another UT-based speaker designer as it is particularly relevant to this circle.
Why the third person referrence and shade? :scratch:
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If there are no rear firing tweeters why would it matter?
Looks to be dipole/OB for the woofer frequencies only.
"The first true open baffle loudspeaker from Tekton Design features our patented tweeter array and a 15-inch subwoofer in a beautiful, elegant package."
Because if the woofer is the only OB aspect, it isn't a 'true' OB loudspeaker per the product copy.
Its a sloppy product launch.
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"The first true open baffle loudspeaker from Tekton Design features our patented tweeter array and a 15-inch subwoofer in a beautiful, elegant package."
Because if the woofer is the only OB aspect, it isn't a 'true' OB loudspeaker per the product copy.
Its a sloppy product launch.
It's a sale pitch and it does not look to be a pure open baffle, it's used in loose terms for the woofer only. I've never been a fan of Tekton's, Offer you the moon for little, many drivers of cheap quality and ugly-boxes looking speakers to boot. Did a lot of advertisements :) in major audio magazines thus a lot of hype from those publications, you don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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I posted it in the Spatial circle because its pretty obvious that Tekton, a UT-based brand is biting the ideas of another UT-based speaker designer as it is particularly relevant to this circle.
Why the third person referrence and shade? :scratch:
Obvious that Tekton is biting the ideas of Spatial?
What's it like living in such a small world with limited exposure?
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Obvious that Tekton is biting the ideas of Spatial? Yes
What's it like living in such a small world with limited exposure? You tell me.
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Maybe Tekton can make a great sounding OB speaker. Something they failed to do with their box speakers.
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Maybe Tekton can make a great sounding OB speaker. Something they failed to do with their box speakers.
"As the mic drops, the stunned audience is rendered silent. Only the faint sounds of "Dayyummm!!" and "No he didn't go there!" could be heard echoing from the lurkers huddled in the balcony."
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Maybe Tekton can make a great sounding OB speaker. Something they failed to do with their box speakers.
Tekton already had an OB speaker (the Sigma) that I considered prior to getting the Spatial. I didn't go that route because there seemed to be very little feedback or reviews on that speaker.
https://tektondesign.com/product/full-range-speakers/full-towers/ob-sigma/
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Tekton already had an OB speaker (the Sigma) that I considered prior to getting the Spatial. I didn't go that route because there seemed to be very little feedback or reviews on that speaker.
https://tektondesign.com/product/full-range-speakers/full-towers/ob-sigma/
It's not an OB speaker if the tweeter and a woofer are in a box. It's also touted as a "true full-range" speaker which isn't true.
This might be helpful: https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=146174.0
P.S. -- I understand the need for marketing hype, but there's a line that crosses over into deception. Tekton teeters on that line like a Cirque du Soleil performer.
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Tekton already had an OB speaker (the Sigma) that I considered prior to getting the Spatial. I didn't go that route because there seemed to be very little feedback or reviews on that speaker.
https://tektondesign.com/product/full-range-speakers/full-towers/ob-sigma/
They actually had one that predated the Sigma too. This was probably 10-15 years ago when they first started. It used a Fostex driver in an open baffle and then I think they augmented the bass with a box. Tekton has probably made more speakers than any company I can think of. Not implying that it’s a good or a bad thing, but it seems like they are constantly just throwing things out on the market and seeing what sticks.
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Okay, so if a speaker has a wideband driver and no tweeter it may be open baffle, if a speaker uses a cone tweeter it may be open baffle, anything else not open baffle. Got it.
Not very many open baffle speakers out there by those standards.
Dipole radiation does not equal open baffle.
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They actually had one that predated the Sigma too.
https://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0809/tekton_design_ob45.htm
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I emailed them. The $3K is only the deposit then $4K when they are ready to ship. So the total is $7,000.
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Okay, so if a speaker has a wideband driver and no tweeter it may be open baffle, if a speaker uses a cone tweeter it may be open baffle, anything else not open baffle. Got it.
Not very many open baffle speakers out there by those standards.
Dipole radiation does not equal open baffle.
The new Tekton ain't true OB.
The Spatial M3 Triode Master is an example of a true OB speaker
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=260418)
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The new Tekton ain't true OB.
The Spatial M3 Triode Master is an example of a true OB speaker
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=260418)
1st open type of baffle I owned was in 1980 the speaker was the Dalquist DQ10 mids on up were open baffle with a sealed box bass driver, the sound was very open and imaged well, they liked power and the more you gave them the better they sounded, a Threshold 400A could shake the room on a Telarc recordings, Jazz at the Pawnshop put you right in the club, not many speakers made today can do that.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=260426)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=260427)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=260428)
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Most of Carl's current models from the Champ up follow a similar design philosophy as his DQ-10 design with similar results.
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Think i'll go talk about the new Magico speaker in the Wilson forum, because that makes as much sense as this topic being here. I no little about Spatial speakers and nothing about there owners, but out of respect to them and their forum i think this should be moved.
Don
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Think i'll go talk about the new Magico speaker in the Wilson forum, because that makes as much sense as this topic being here. I no little about Spatial speakers and nothing about there owners, but out of respect to them and their forum i think this should be moved.
Don
I said it elsewhere, but the rendered image looks like a Spatial speaker with a McIntosh Tekton array slapped on it. Spatial is one of a handful of well known OB speaker manufacturers, and they are based ~30-mins away from Tekton in Utah. Spatial recently sold, and the X4(which is a tested model that you can actually buy now) is now ~$10K, and the Tekton crowdfunded idea is priced just below that at $7K with a $3K 'deposit' that is likely going into R&D for the product that has no specs.
Given the context, I thought it pertained to this circle. More than happy to delete if others feel this is in poor taste.
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EDIT: 35 years ago a speaker was designed to mimic a Quad Electrostatic speaker openiess. Which is why they were shaped like a Quad ESL 57.
Thank you for that information. I owned DQ10s and did not know the shape mimicked Quad. They were not famous, at least not to me, when I bought them. I bought them because they sounded better than any other speaker in the stores I visited. And that was a time when there were more stores to choose from. That started me on a long journey of OB, planar-magnetic and electrostatic speakers.
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Mr. Big:
On who's authority do you speak on behalf of Spatial Audio?? Perhaps because I work in a highly competitive space that I view competitors as exactly that, competitors. All this thread has done is offered another purchase path to potential Spatial customers which I still believe to be in bad form. Why wasn't it placed in the Open Baffle form as that's what it is about, it's not about Spatial Audio, who happen to represent this space. I will respectfully step back if Spatial thinks it's prudent and wishes to discuss their competitors.
Don
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Maybe Tekton can make a great sounding OB speaker. Something they failed to do with their box speakers.
Tyson, can you say what wasn't great about the Tektons that you heard Tyson? Their low mass mid section is said to be very good. My guess is the bass is too affected by the cabinet.
I will say I do like the design with the leather over lay, side wood accents, and metal bass, although don't like the cost at 7 k.
Rocket Ronny
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All this thread has done is offered another purchase path to potential Spatial customers which I still believe to be in bad form. Why wasn't it placed in the Open Baffle form as that's what it is about, it's not about Spatial Audio, who happen to represent this space. I will respectfully step back if Spatial thinks it's prudent and wishes to discuss their competitors.
Don
+1. The only thing that is on topic in this thread is that it is "baffling" that it has gone on for 4 pages discussing a competitor's product. It seems disrespectful coming from a group that has been very supportive of Clayton's fine work ...which was central to Spatial's success.
I for one would be much more interested in learning more about the new Spatial team, specifically regarding who is now their principal speaker designer. It would be comforting to know that the new team will continue to be an innovative speaker company and not try to take on too many other projects at the expense of Clayton's original direction.
I love my X5's and had previously had considered them to be my end-game. I would feel much more comfortable knowing that Spatial will remain committed to innovative speaker design and support of existing owners. I look forward to a few more details.
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Funny how threads can go south.
I own a pair of M3TS and a pair of Tekton Electrons in a 2nd system. The Tektons are no slouches, but given that the Electrons use two 4" speakers for mid-bass, I find them to be a bit lean in that area. The bass is tight and overall they are very good sounding speakers. The polygon high frequency array is fast and clean, and is a very interesting design.
Overall though, I prefer the M3TS, given their bass and midrange fullness and great imaging.
For me, the two are more like digital (Tekton) vs vinyl (Spatial) and I prefer vinyl.
It will be interesting to hear someone's review of the Tekton OB, and at $7K that is out of my league (I paid $1200 for the Electrons, used)
Happy listening!
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Thank you for that information. I owned DQ10s and did not know the shape mimicked Quad. They were not famous, at least not to me, when I bought them. I bought them because they sounded better than any other speaker in the stores I visited. And that was a time when there were more stores to choose from. That started me on a long journey of OB, planar-magnetic and electrostatic speakers.
DQ10 back in the day was a huge seller, famous they were and many audio lovers owned that speaker I have 4 audio friends who all owned DQ10 and still talk about them. This is why when I decided to sell my Quad ESL 63's a few years back the one speaker I considered was the Spatial Audio line, and the Sapphire M3's was my choice. I still enjoy them today and they sound even better today than when I 1st purchased them to add new cables, and power cords and update room acoustics. They give you what you feed them and they change easily by any addition or change you make and that is a sign of not a good speaker but a superb one.
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DQ10 back in the day was a huge seller, famous they were and many audio lovers owned that speaker I have 4 audio friends who all owned DQ10 and still talk about them. This is why when I decided to sell my Quad ESL 63's a few years back the one speaker I considered was the Spatial Audio line, and the Sapphire M3's was my choice. I still enjoy them today and they sound even better today than when I 1st purchased them to add new cables, and power cords and update room acoustics. They give you what you feed them and they change easily by any addition or change you make and that is a sign of not a good speaker but a superb one.
I still haven't heard the Sapphire. I'd really like to A/B test it against my M3TM's. I'm also itching to heard the Caladans.
Have you gotten the itch to move beyond the M3's?
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I still haven't heard the Sapphire. I'd really like to A/B test it against my M3TM's. I'm also itching to heard the Caladans.
Have you gotten the itch to move beyond the M3's?
No. 40 years in this hobby have taught me one thing when it's good it is good, the speakers sound better than when I 1st installed them, and my old list of speakers is long so I am well past chasing my tail, now if I decided to change it be for change sake and it is for another panel speaker, not a box speaker, perhaps a rebuilt pair of Quad ESL 57's or another Spatial speaker, but no box speakers that is for sure. I owned them and heard enough to know they are limited in natural reproduction and many made today sound like all detail, missing the feel and soul of real music along with body. But they make the current trend of compressed over electronic-produced auto-tune vocals, just loud music sound good they are made for each other. Might as well wear earbuds to listen to crap like they produce today, for the most part, nothing real to it.
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No. 40 years in this hobby have taught me one thing when it's good it is good, the speakers sound better than when I 1st installed them, and my old list of speakers is long so I am well past chasing my tail, now if I decided to change it be for change sake and it is for another panel speaker, not a box speaker, perhaps a rebuilt pair of Quad ESL 57's or another Spatial speaker, but no box speakers that is for sure. I owned them and heard enough to know they are limited in natural reproduction and many made today sound like all detail, missing the feel and soul of real music along with body. But they make the current trend of compressed over electronic-produced auto-tune vocals, just loud music sound good they are made for each other. Might as well wear earbuds to listen to crap like they produce today, for the most part, nothing real to it.
I'm ~30 years deep into the hobby and in pretty much the same spot. I had plans to upgrade to the X series before the big price bumps--maybe I'll eventually find a used pair. That said, I am very happy with the M3TM's.
I was originally running mine on my trusty old Marantz 4300, but recently dabbled in DSP with two Schitt Vidar monoblocks running via MiniDSP's SHD. ~300wpc because the DSP needs it. I've recently stopped using the DIRAC, and am now considering some DIY tube monoblocks of an integrated like the Rogue Audio.
The biggest flaw in my rig is the lack of an OB sub--which is what brought me across the new Tekton offering. I'm going to do a DIY OB sub at some point. Also, having another set of M3's would be fun for my 4300 quadraphonic amp.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=260487)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=260488)
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Probably a great time to buy used. Just a quick look at the USAudioMart shows some good deals.
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I for one would be much more interested in learning more about the new Spatial team, specifically regarding who is now their principal speaker designer. It would be comforting to know that the new team will continue to be an innovative speaker company and not try to take on too many other projects at the expense of Clayton's original direction...
It's good to see such a lively discussion regarding OB and new products in the market. One thing I have found working with Sam (Chief Engineer at Spatial) is that building a "good" OB speaker is not terribly difficult. Making a speaker that is exceptional and worth the price for hand-made quality is a whole new level of challenge. We have prototyped multiple models that measure really well and sound great but still lack that special something that makes us want to go back again and again. So, we keep up the development.
Introducing a new model to the market is something we take very seriously. When we do, know that it is something we have agonized over in terms of performance and build quality. As audiophiles ourselves, we know there are a lot of interesting and really good sounding alternatives and it's important that we offer something we believe is worth owning for a long time.
Stay tuned... we are getting really close and plan to show off at least one new model in Dallas at Southwest Audio Fest in March. Hope to see some of you there!
- David
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It's good to see such a lively discussion regarding OB and new products in the market. One thing I have found working with Sam (Chief Engineer at Spatial) is that building a "good" OB speaker is not terribly difficult. Making a speaker that is exceptional and worth the price for hand-made quality is a whole new level of challenge. We have prototyped multiple models that measure really well and sound great but still lack that special something that makes us want to go back again and again. So, we keep up the development.
Introducing a new model to the market is something we take very seriously. When we do, know that it is something we have agonized over in terms of performance and build quality. As audiophiles ourselves, we know there are a lot of interesting and really good sounding alternatives and it's important that we offer something we believe is worth owning for a long time.
Stay tuned... we are getting really close and plan to show off at least one new model in Dallas at Southwest Audio Fest in March. Hope to see some of you there!
- David
Thanks for an update. You are correct anyone can build a speaker many out there but how many are so special that they make you want to sit and listen for hours? Most today are designed for high Fi effect, you hear lots of forward highs (detail) and fat bass, but where is the body of the music instruments and most of all vocals, they are great for today's auto-tune vocals and over-produced production-driven music. To make my point you could buy a Quad ESL 57 over 50 years old design and most be shocked to hear how good music can sound the one speaker I purchased after 10 years with my Quads ESL 63's was the Sapphire 3's. They only get better as I have worked on my room acoustics and cables and setup. I joke they are Quad speakers but on steroids. Want to see how good your speakers are do what they did in the old days before computers, record live music and then playback what you recorded on your speakers you will hear if they are close to boy that sounds nothing like what we just recorded.
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It's good to see such a lively discussion regarding OB and new products in the market.
Couldn't agree more. You guys and Clayton have brought OB up to the point that other brands are clearly feeling the interest and need to compete in the OB space.
Introducing a new model to the market is something we take very seriously. When we do, know that it is something we have agonized over in terms of performance and build quality. As audiophiles ourselves, we know there are a lot of interesting and really good sounding alternatives and it's important that we offer something we believe is worth owning for a long time.
Stay tuned... we are getting really close and plan to show off at least one new model in Dallas at Southwest Audio Fest in March. Hope to see some of you there!
- David
Its very clear that y'all take your product launches, product strategy, and R&D very seriously. Are you still operating out of the 'Lab' space off Bangerter? Any chance of coming in to hear the new speaker you mentioned?
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The biggest flaw in my rig is the lack of an OB sub
You might want to investigate using a sealed sub for the first octave. Blending with ob is not a problem. YMMV
Rocket Ronny
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You might want to investigate using a sealed sub for the first octave. Blending with ob is not a problem. YMMV
Rocket Ronny
I use a sealed sub and I love the resultant sound. I’ve tried a few different subs- not all with the Spatials, and they were always ‘there’. This was the first one that ‘disappeared’.
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Sub- Hsu ULS-15Mk2, speakers- Spatial M3 Turbo S
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Sub- Hsu ULS-15Mk2, speakers- Spatial M3 Turbo S
Thanks for the info. I've looked at HSU subs in the past, might have give them a try.
Are you running one or two subs?
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I had one for about a year, which worked very well, then added a second. The first got me 75% of what I wanted, the second was icing on the cake.
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I had one for about a year, which worked very well, then added a second. The first got me 75% of what I wanted, the second was icing on the cake.
Two is better than one.
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It looks like Tekton decided not to do the OB build. Can't find the speaker anywhere on their site and the originally link I posted no longer works. Odd. Must not have got many takers.