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This is the flakiest Marvel movie so far. The plot is borderline ridiculous. Blanchett is wasted. Her total villain screen time is probably a half hour and it's a lot of her talking at the camera or fighting.
That said, this movie rocks. It is just plain silly but in a good way. Super fun. Awesome cameos. Just plain hilarious.
I highly recommend seeing this movie, uh, not sober.
Finally, Jeff Goldblum is a God. Greatest casting decision ever made.
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This is the flakiest Marvel movie so far. The plot is borderline ridiculous. Blanchett is wasted. Her total villain screen time is probably a half hour and it's a lot of her talking at the camera or fighting.
That said, this movie rocks. It is just plain silly but in a good way. Super fun. Awesome cameos. Just plain hilarious.
I highly recommend seeing this movie, uh, not sober.
Finally, Jeff Goldblum is a God. Greatest casting decision ever made.
Totally agree! I was laughing through many scenes... :green:
Best,
Anand.
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Saw it with my daughter yesterday - agreed it was a blast. Glad they took the Thor franchise to a lighter place - it was borderline stuffy before this. Biggest laugh for me: Thor throwing the red ball thrown against the glass window in Hulk's room. Oh, that's gotta hurt!
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I liked Thor describing his victory (easily) over the Hulk in their battle.
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I thought it was brilliant! It's amazing how deftly Marvel made the pivot away from the bleak bombast of the first two to a silly bombast for Ragnarok. If I was picking nits I'd say they perhaps went to far with the humor given the very dark and momentous events of the film. And I'm not thrilled about the condition they left our namesake hero in. Still it rocked! Lots of great casting including a Matt Damon cameo that was pretty amusing. I'll note that after several uneven and mostly unsuccessful attempts Marvel finally has Hulk down pat.
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Although it was entertaining the MCU do not follow the individual characters true power statistics making the movie disheartening to true die hard marvel fans.
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For the first 30 min or so, I was sitting there wondering why in the world they would do this, but
as it developed, I began enjoying the comedic story line and the obligatory battle scenes were
great fun as well.
Hibuck...
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Although it was entertaining the MCU do not follow the individual characters true power statistics making the movie disheartening to true die hard marvel fans.
What is a "true power statistic"?
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Although it was entertaining the MCU do not follow the individual characters true power statistics making the movie disheartening to true die hard marvel fans.
I know what you mean, sometimes. It's the recasts that are the worst for me however.
See the characters power typically has changes many times in the comics. It's hard to know what they'll use. But sometimes it's VERY clearly not right. In GOTG Drax was crazy weak for example. But I was bothered more by the re-scripting of Ronan's character, and having Lee Pace look lanky as him. Also I hate slow healing Deadpool... all the worst comics are around that, and for the movie it was a bad limitation. I could go on for awhile. But I can say that in general the Avengers characters do a million times better at remaining somewhat true compared to horse shit that is the Xmen (as of late anyway).
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What is a "true power statistic"?
I believe the idea is that the movies don't always represent the powers of the characters the same way that the comic books did.
As I never read comics, I don't often notice - Guardians of the Galaxy as an example - just a movie to me, so I was not trying to reconcile the represented powers of individual characters against any preconceived notion.
As a Norse mythology fan though, I do know a bit about Thor and a lot about the world from which he originates. I am not sure if that will color my enjoyment of the 3rd flick. I enjoyed the first 2 for what they were - movies. I did not expect 100% alignment with the mythology.
I look forward to the movie!
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I think Marvel no longer employs story writers but sitcom writers. Very funny movie but why they made it at all makes no sense except to rake in some bucks. Take out the comedy and it's one of the worst sci fi /comic book movies ever.It was a fun afternoon on a crappy day and I can recommend it as a comedy film. was that woody Allen in the background on Asgard?. Now this movie makes sense... :lol:
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What is a "true power statistic"?
There actual powers and abilities listed in the official marvel universe power and stats hand books, which includes there true history.
For example in the movie Hela is Odins first born daughter/Thors sister.........In the official marvel universe hand guide books Hela is the daughter of LOKI....yes you heard me right the daughter of LOKI.
Like most MCU movies there are just too many character flaws for it to make actual sense for true marvel fans.
In Thor ragnarok there is a BIG inconsistency in there powers but I cant say it without giving out spoilers.
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There are all kinds of liberties taken with character arcs and powers taken in the book runs themselves, let alone in their film adaptations. Characters routinely became far more powerful with time, for example – not because their powers became more fully developed, but because telling a story over and over about a character who was strong enough to lift a car gets boring after a while.
I grew up during Marvel's silver age, and I'm enjoying watching talented film makers take a crack at the material. I didn't mind at all that Hank Pym wasn't an original Avenger, or that Tony Stark created Ultron (rather than Pym). It made sense in the cinematic arc they had built. Most of the choices they've made have been respectful to the original material, which is all one can reasonably ask for. When they don't respect the material (the sh*t they pulled with Mandarin in IM3, for example, or the butchering of the FF by Fox), it's annoying. But by and large Fiege & Co. have done a great job giving us an approximation of the universe we enjoyed as kids, which is pretty fun to experience now as an adult.
Now if they could just get the FF rights back for phase 4 we'll be golden...
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I was a bit disappointed with the "Valkyrie" in Ragnarok. I was hoping she would be a favorite character of mine. Rumor had it that a dispute between McFarlane and another author/writer had left the rights to one of my favorite characters in comics, Angela, (from the Spawn franchise) free for Marvel to pick up and use in an upcoming movie. She would be penned in as a long lost sister of Thors. Wasn't to be, I guess.
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SOILERS!!!!!!!!!!
Ya the Valkyrie was a disappointment... little imp of a person.
I enjoyed the movie but didn't like a fair bit about it.
First thing, the comedy was nice but sometimes it was just breathing in my face and not necessary. There were times when it was too much like watching a sitcom (like some people have said). That was the worst.
Did anyone notice the huge circular logic that made no sense? Thor kills Surtur, Hela can kill Thor, Surtur kills Hela. Huh?
Another huge confusion... What happened to the Odinforce? Sorry but Thor could never best Odin without the force that became the Thorforce. Odin with it could stop Hela no problem, but somehow Thor who is now stronger than Odin can't do shit? RIGHT... Maybe one reason they are working it this way is to avoid Thor being that powerful when Thanos comes knocking, because Odin can bitch slap Thanos like he's a little polio child.
Heimdall, WTF happened to this guy? In the first two movies he's regal and looks great. Also the only other Asgards as strong as him are Thor and Odin, generally speaking (not including Odinforce). Now he's a bit wimpy, and in a few years grew some nasty looking dreadlocks??????? ????? ? ?
Thor vs. Hulk. Um, short of the Odinforce, Thor loses in anything but the weakest incarnations of Hulk in hand to hand combat. The Hulk can basically laugh off nuclear blasts at the level he's at, a little lightening would mean nothing. Early comics would always put Thor above Hulk, but he later became a force of nature embodying anger. At the Hulk's strongest he was well beyond Thor's hammer.
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Ya the Valkyrie was a disappointment... little imp of a person.
I enjoyed the movie but didn't like a fair bit about it.
First thing, the comedy was nice but sometimes it was just breathing in my face and not necessary. There were times when it was too much like watching a sitcom (like some people have said). That was the worst.
Did anyone notice the huge circular logic that made no sense? Thor kills Surtur, Hela can kill Thor, Surtur kills Hela. Huh?
Another huge confusion... What happened to the Odinforce? Sorry but Thor could never best Odin without the force that became the Thorforce. Odin with it could stop Hela no problem, but somehow Thor who is now stronger than Odin can't do shit? RIGHT... Maybe one reason they are working it this way is to avoid Thor being that powerful when Thanos comes knocking, because Odin can bitch slap Thanos like he's a little polio child.
Heimdall, WTF happened to this guy? In the first two movies he's regal and looks great. Also the only other Asgards as strong as him are Thor and Odin, generally speaking (not including Odinforce). Now he's a bit wimpy, and in a few years grew some nasty looking dreadlocks??????? ????? ? ?
Thor vs. Hulk. Um, short of the Odinforce, Thor loses in anything but the weakest incarnations of Hulk in hand to hand combat. The Hulk can basically laugh off nuclear blasts at the level he's at, a little lightening would mean nothing. Early comics would always put Thor above Hulk, but he later became a force of nature embodying anger. At the Hulk's strongest he was well beyond Thor's hammer.
Finally someone who understands Marvel as I agree with you.
Yes I did notice that circular logic as I sort of mentioned it in my other post but didnt want to say it due to spoilers.
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Although it was entertaining the MCU do not follow the individual characters true power statistics making the movie disheartening to true die hard marvel fans.
True, but even the books are sometimes guilty of that. Character's powers come and go the plot dictates. For instance, remember when Mongoon nearly killed Thor who was saved by the intervention of mortal Eric Masterson? Really Mongoose is around the power level that would make him a Spiderman foe- he should have been defeated with laughable ease by Thor. Daredevil has bested Spiderman in the books which is a stretch since Spidey is stronger and faster.
Besides, books (comics included) are one kind of art while films are another. I have kind of come to accept that compromises will be made when moving from one form to another.
Apropos of nothing I think Thor defeats the Hulk 9 out of 10 times, even without the Odinforce. With the Odinforce...well, he's up in Silver Surfer territory, probably stronger.
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Agreed with Rob - movies and books/comics are simply different. Things that work in the comics won't work on the screen (and vice versa).
But the good news is this - if you want something that is 100% true to the comics, you already have it. The comics themselves are 100% true to themselves and you can just read them any time you want that level of consistency. With any other medium there's going to be divergence, and sometimes serious amounts of divergence. Just the nature of things.
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9 out of 10 for ancient Hulk, sure. But he can't hold a candle to WBH. Hulk at his best accidentally exploded a planet, as a repercussion of what he was actually doing, which wasn't trying to bust a planet. That feat is something Thor merely believes he might be able to do with his hammer, as generally speaking it simply just passes through a planet. Hulk has presented stronger feats many times over in more recent years.
While stories do dictate changes in powers, generally speaking they stay pretty consistent for longer story arcs. Dare Devil beating Spiderman wasn't a story told for years, it just happened once.
Furthermore SS is nothing but a whelp compared to Odin. SS and Thanos came at Odin once, SS got slapped out of the fight, and Thanos got beat down. SS was upgraded to maybe Thanos's level, whom cannot take Odin.
I think they need to make formulas for what can and cannot be changed, to help the non-fans working on the projects. There are limits. When you go to far, your movie falls on its own ass and you get cut down at the box office. That already happens... And yet when you pay attention to the comics you can turn a B movie into a huge box office hit (Deadpool).
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When you go to far, your movie falls on its own ass and you get cut down at the box office. That already happens... And yet when you pay attention to the comics you can turn a B movie into a huge box office hit (Deadpool).
Superman Returns was a lot closer to the comics than Man of Steel. Per the above reasoning, SR should do better than MoS at the box office. Obviously that's not true, MoS crushed SR at the box office.
Look, things get changed in order to go from a long form story (books/comics) to fit a short form story (movies). Sometimes it's well done, sometimes its not.
IMO being well done (or not) has more to do with BO success than faithfulness to the original source.
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When weaker characters beat stronger characters without any legit logical reasoning then its due to either biased writers and or faulty writers who do not know each characters true powers and abilities.
Take for example the most biased/over rated Character of all in marvel "Captain America" who some feel can beat the Hulk, Thor or even Galactus. :lol: :lol: :lol:....its sort of like Batman in DC. :lol: :lol:
If there were 5 batman they would beat the whole justice league. :lol: :lol: :lol:...with humans like batman who needs super powered hereos. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Ragnarok was deliberately ridiculous in its refusal to cater to fanboy geekery. That's why they hired a director whose previous film was a vampire mockumentary. It's why they hired Blanchett to strike a vogue over and over with over the top delivery, and why Idris Elba is running around making very earnest faces in the middle of a blatant Lord of the Rings Two Towers flight to Helm's Deep rip-off.
Ragnarok started off with Thor being zapped from place to place with a beer in his hand. That's exactly how Marvel wanted you to take in the movie.
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Superman Returns was a lot closer to the comics than Man of Steel. Per the above reasoning, SR should do better than MoS at the box office. Obviously that's not true, MoS crushed SR at the box office.
Look, things get changed in order to go from a long form story (books/comics) to fit a short form story (movies). Sometimes it's well done, sometimes its not.
IMO being well done (or not) has more to do with BO success than faithfulness to the original source.
Well a good movie is a good movie, you could say. But the movies that diverge the most are almost always the worst movies aside from that fact.
It's funny though you bring up Superman. I don't notice any real difference between him in the movies. Doomsday? Ya, they changed him some... but he was always kind of annoying in the way that he cannot die from anything nonsense... without any mystical attribute. I can't complain that he died.
Batman... The Master of all Master tacticians. It is funny that he basically can out smart everyone. However the premise of his strategy often has to use other supes to do it. So I don't agree that a bunch of Batmans could dominate everything.
It is funny how strong people think Captain America is at times. However you have to give him extraordinary credit because ANYTHING that a human could possibly achieve the most unlikely of circumstances, is at his disposal. He can tap into the freak strength that allows a mother to lift a car off a child and stuff like that. Also his brain for fighting along with his perfect nerves are beyond someone like Bruce Lee, so his ability to skillfully dominate and evade are not paralleled by many. Most that can beat Cap simply have to grossly overpower him. A waging war between him and Black Panther, who would win, is an interesting question. BP has superior tech, like way superior, but he isn't quiet cap's level of human integrity, and yet the combo of his mystic power and suit elevate him rather high.
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This reminds me of those arguments from when I was a kid - Darth Vader vs Magneto, who would win? And then trying to suss out the power levels and strengths of the various characters. But I'm old enough and have read enough that I know that ultimately it's all arbitrary. A character has a certain level of power because the writer says that's what they have. A character will live or die because the writer makes them live or die.
It's like in action movies - everyone "takes fire" from the enemy, and the writers arbitrarily decide who will get hit and when. You might think there's some kind of 'rules' that the writers have to follow. But that's simply not true. In a fictional world, the rules are whatever the writers/creators say they are. And those rules can and will change, whenever the writers want to make those changes.
And I stand by my previous statement - a good movie is a good movie, regardless of faithfulness to source. To give another example - The Shining by Kubrick. Has very little in common with Stephen King's source novel. Still one of the greatest movies of all time. And that's something that has pissed off Stephen King (and his fans) for a very long time.
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Furthermore SS is nothing but a whelp compared to Odin. SS and Thanos came at Odin once, SS got slapped out of the fight, and Thanos got beat down. SS was upgraded to maybe Thanos's level, whom cannot take Odin.
Of course it greatly depends on the era, the milieu, and the story. Generally the Surfer is among the most powerful humanoid characters in the Marvel Universe, above the Hulk if for no other reason than the Power Cosmic. He was created by Galactus, a being which probably is slightly above Odin's level. So obviously he's not normally as powerful as Odin. Thanos' powers are wildly variable; he's very potent but his cunning and intellect are his best weapons. Of course while he possessed the Infinity Stones he vanquished Odin, Galactus, Hulk, SS, Lord Order, Master Chaos, et all with complete ease. At that point he was utterly omnipotent. Thor is another example. By canon he can swing Mjolnir at least twice as fast as the speed of light although I don't recall him ever doing it in a book. The Surfer is said to be able easily endure flying through the heart of a star without injury and is able to track someone across several light years. He also has the power to transmute one substance into another and sometimes raise the dead. And by drawing power from Nova he has demonstrated the ability to travel hundreds of thousands of years through time on his board.
We have to remember that someone simply made all this shit up. :lol: A character has whatever power the writer at the time decides. Look at ol' Supes. When he was first written he was probably about as strong as Spiderman and couldn't fly. Early on he had the power of 'Super Ventriloquism" and could shoot tiny Supermen out of his fingertips. Over the years Monty Haul syndrome set in and his power level kept ratcheting up until he was just the silliest, most adolescent wish fulfillment character in the DC stable.
I like to see the movies follow the books to a good degree because, well, why else watch a comic book film if not to geek out over the characters you like? Yet some things don't translate well and benefit from changes. In the original Watchmen books, Ozymandias created a fake alien invasions- at the end the streets were littered with tentacles and stuff. But the film version worked much better in the context of a movie and the original ending would have looked silly. The Fantastic Four (yeah, yeah...more like Craptastic Four, I know!) featured Galactus and portrayed him as a big cloud of energy. That's not right at all but think how silly a 300 fool alien with a 150 foot tall helmet would have looked on screen! I think it was just about the only thing they did right in the film.
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I found Ragnarok a splendid escape from our present reality. The humor at some points was a bit to whimsical. It's saving grace was the inclusion of The Immigrant Song.
I am a huuge reader and take all movies from literature with a grain of artistic license. Until Stan is reunited with his one love, he is the creator and artistic director in my mind at least. We have his Ragnorok cameo which could be construed as his okey dokey on the fight outcomes as well as the story arcs and level of humor. I believe all of his cameo's have a comic twist, which he also injected into his comics.
:bowdown: Zeppelin!
Highly recommended as a singular superhero movie.
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As far as most powerful characters in the Marvel Universe, that varies greatly based on the writer and story. Scarlet Witch and Doctor Strange are two of the most powerful at times, but they reduced their abilities later. Odin's power varies, as does Galactus' (particularly depending on how well fed he is). They're still nothing by comparison with Squirrel Girl, though.