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Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: woody on 27 Feb 2006, 03:16 pm

And are you biwiring?

Just curious.

Thanks.

Woody

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: Marbles on 27 Feb 2006, 03:24 pm

I use Ridge Street Audio Poeima's and their jumpers, but If I were starting from scratch, I'd probably go with Greg Straley Reality Cables/jumpers.

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: zybar on 27 Feb 2006, 03:28 pm

Gregg Straley cables with Argent Audio Pursang jumpers.

George

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: woody on 27 Feb 2006, 07:05 pm

Quote from: zybar

Gregg Straley cables with Argent Audio Pursang jumpers.

George

Marbles Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:24 am    Post subject:  

I use Ridge Street Audio Poeima's and their jumpers, but If I were starting from scratch, I'd probably go with Greg Straley Reality Cables/jumpers.
 


Marbles and George,

Is there a reason why you aren't bi-wiring?

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: zybar on 27 Feb 2006, 07:15 pm

Yes, it didn't improve the sound.  

George

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: woody on 27 Feb 2006, 07:24 pm

Well,  I am both surprised and not surprised.  I have been skepitcal of biwiring, yet I continue to read about how better sound is obtained though biwiring.

Maybe now I can afford to buy a DAC  :D

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: texas steve on 27 Feb 2006, 07:53 pm

Quote from: woody

Well,  I am both surprised and not surprised.  I have been skepitcal of biwiring, yet I continue to read about how better sound is obtained though biwiring.

Maybe now I can afford to buy a DAC  :D

I have always bi wired!  I tried it once to test and there is a subtle difference.  I dont think its significant, but if your buying new cables anyway why not.

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: woody on 27 Feb 2006, 09:13 pm

I have always bi wired!  I tried it once to test and there is a subtle difference.  I dont think its significant, but if your buying new cables anyway why not.[/quote]


What cables are you using Texas Steve?

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: jermmd on 27 Feb 2006, 09:13 pm

I'm also using Gregg Straley speaker cables (a 50ft run!). I don't biwire because I can't afford another McCormack DNA 500 amp. I also don't think I need any more power and I think more power is the only reason to biwire.

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: Marbles on 27 Feb 2006, 10:24 pm

Joe, you're confusing bi-amping and biwiring.

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: lonewolfny42 on 27 Feb 2006, 10:38 pm

Quote from: Marbles

Joe, you're confusing bi-amping and biwiring.

This makes it easy.... http://www.dearhoney.idv.tw/Speakers/Ian20010303/wire.gif   ...bi-wired. :)

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: Papajin on 27 Feb 2006, 10:46 pm

So wait a second... Are some of you claiming that your HT3's are bi?

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: Marbles on 27 Feb 2006, 11:06 pm

Quote from: Papajin

So wait a second... Are some of you claiming that your HT3's are bi?

Mine ARE bi..there's rumours that some are even Tri   :lol:

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: texas steve on 27 Feb 2006, 11:25 pm

Quote from: woody

I have always bi wired!  I tried it once to test and there is a subtle difference.  I dont think its significant, but if your buying new cables anyway why not.

What cables are you using Texas Steve?[/quote]

30' Harmonic Tech Pro pretty hefty cables.

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: lonewolfny42 on 27 Feb 2006, 11:31 pm

Quote from: Marbles

Quote from: Papajin

So wait a second... Are some of you claiming that your HT3's are bi?

Mine ARE bi..there's rumours that some are even Tri   :lol:

Wow !!! Are there any speaker ports on the back ? :jester:

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: texas steve on 27 Feb 2006, 11:32 pm

Quote from: lonewolfny42

Quote from: Marbles

Quote from: Papajin

So wait a second... Are some of you claiming that your HT3's are bi?

Mine ARE bi..there's rumours that some are even Tri   :lol:

Wow !!! Are there any speaker ports on the back ? :jester:

WOW this is getting dangerous!!!

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: woody on 27 Feb 2006, 11:33 pm

[quote="Marbles"
Mine ARE bi..there's rumours that some are even Tri   :lol:[/quote]

3 ways are definitely more fun  :lol:

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: texas steve on 27 Feb 2006, 11:38 pm

Quote from: woody

[quote="Marbles"
Mine ARE bi..there's rumours that some are even Tri   :lol:

3 ways are definitely more fun  :lol:[/quote]
Yea , just to be clear however be sure they are FEMALE!!

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: DMurphy on 28 Feb 2006, 01:04 am

Can anyone explain to me the theoretical basis for bi-wiring?  I tried it a couple of times, with no audible improvement.  But I really didn't know why I should even expect to hear a difference.

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: woody on 28 Feb 2006, 04:43 pm

Dennis,

From your reply, I gather that HT3's crossover was not designed for biwiring.  Is this true?

Thanks for your participation in AudioCircle.

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: texas steve on 28 Feb 2006, 04:51 pm

Quote from: woody

Dennis,

From your reply, I gather that HT3's crossover was not designed for biwiring.  Is this true?

Thanks for your participation in AudioCircle.

When I ordered my HT3s, Jim said no problem with bi wire.

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: Marbles on 28 Feb 2006, 04:55 pm

Quote from: texas steve

Quote from: woody

Dennis,

From your reply, I gather that HT3's crossover was not designed for biwiring.  Is this true?

Thanks for your participation in AudioCircle.

When I ordered my HT3s, Jim said no problem with bi wire.

Mine is set up more for bi-amping (you have to bi-wire for that).

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: TomW16 on 28 Feb 2006, 04:57 pm

Quote

Can anyone explain to me the theoretical basis for bi-wiring? I tried it a couple of times, with no audible improvement. But I really didn't know why I should even expect to hear a difference.

Hey Dennis,

If you are objective, you probably won't hear a difference, however, with the right expectations...   :lol:

Other than too small a guage cable (and doubling it for a bi-wire run), I don't think that there would be any audible difference.

Tom

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: Gordy on 28 Feb 2006, 05:13 pm

Hi Woody,

The HT-3's are wired for bi-wiring or bi-amping and can be special ordered for tri.   I've tried bi-wiring with 3 different cables and combo's and couldn't hear any advantage with my system!  I ended up using Jena Labs TFA's as they were far easier to hack to the four 4' runs that I needed to bi-amp than the Alpha Core Pythons.

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: brj on 28 Feb 2006, 05:15 pm

Both the HT1s and HT3s include two pairs of binding posts in their default configuration, which will allow either bi-wiring (2 wire runs per speaker from a single amp) or passive bi-amping (2 wire runs per speaker from two separate amplifiers).  For bi-wiring and passive bi-amping, the designer's passive crossover remains in the signal path and retains its normal function.  Take a look at the first 3 articles on this site (http://sound.westhost.com/articles.htm) for a description of bi-wiring and passive vs. active bi-amping.

I'm no expert on bi-wiring, but from what I've read, people generally seem to see an advantage to bi-wiring only when their initial single-wire run didn't offer enough total wire gauge to handle the current demands.  I'm sure that the RLC values of the complete system may alter in some manner and thus have an additional affect, but I haven't yet found a source discussing it.

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: DMurphy on 28 Feb 2006, 06:21 pm

"I'm no expert on bi-wiring, but from what I've read, people generally seem to see an advantage to bi-wiring only when their initial single-wire run didn't offer enough total wire gauge to handle the current demands."

That's about the only theory I can think of.  And using heavier gauge wire would seem like a simpler solution.  Anyhow, I did not bi-wire the prototype HT3.  But any parallel crossover can be configured for bi-wiring.
It won't change the performance parameters.

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: gitarretyp on 28 Feb 2006, 07:13 pm

Jon Risch provides the best explanation for the efficacy of bi-wiring that i've seen. http://www.geocities.com/jonrisch/biwiring.htm

He suggests that the benefit is essentially due to the current demands of the woofer versus that of the mid/tweeter.

Title: HT3 owners -- what speaker cable are you using?
Post by: DMurphy on 28 Feb 2006, 08:31 pm

He suggests that the benefit is essentially due to the current demands of the woofer versus that of the mid/tweeter.[/quote]

Thanks--I'll read through that.