Subsonic's XStatik Build

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subsonic1050

Subsonic's XStatik Build
« on: 23 Jul 2021, 04:30 pm »
Hey everyone - I knocked out these XStatik cabinets for a friend yesterday. I'm about to do the roundovers on the backs of all the driver holes as well as the braces.

I have two questions - Are people generally gluing the cabinet up in 2 operations (the main cabinet first, then adding the front baffle) and installing the NoRez before the front baffle is glued on - or are people primarily gluing the whole thing up and installing NoRez through the driver holes?

2nd - I've seen some XStatik's in which the wiring for the open baffle section is fairly hidden. How are people achieving this?









cementhead

Re: Subsonic's XStatik Build
« Reply #1 on: 23 Jul 2021, 05:11 pm »
I am at that point right now with my build. The boxes are built, my next step is the no rez and then glue the baffle on. this seemed, to me, easier than trying to glue up everything at once and also I do not have a lot of clamps.

subsonic1050

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« Reply #2 on: 23 Jul 2021, 05:16 pm »
Cementhead - definitely makes sense if you don't have a lot of clamps. I'd actually prefer to do it all at once - that way I'm sure that everything is lining up correctly with my front baffle and I'm not going to have any gaps or overhangs to deal with later. Problem is NoRez install - how tricky is it if you do it after it is already assembled? It LOOKS like it shouldn't be too bad, but you'd definitely have to fold the NoRez to some extent to get it into the cabinet.

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« Reply #3 on: 23 Jul 2021, 07:21 pm »
This is how AV123 wired them.



subsonic1050

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« Reply #4 on: 23 Jul 2021, 07:25 pm »
That is extremely helpful corndog! I was thinking about drilling some kind of angled hole back from the lower woofer, which must be what they did. It's also helpful to see how they routed the rest of the wiring. Thank you!

hawkeyejw

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« Reply #5 on: 23 Jul 2021, 08:38 pm »
I built mine using the first method - cabinet first and install no-rez, crossover no wiring then glue the front baffle.

For the wiring I’ve seen some guys drill a hole through the baffles to route the wires and it seems to work pretty well for them.

Theronbo

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« Reply #6 on: 23 Jul 2021, 09:40 pm »
Put a back plate on the upper bit… sandwich the wires in between.


Theronbo

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« Reply #7 on: 23 Jul 2021, 09:42 pm »
Bolted front plate on.

Put grooves in top of lower cabinet to feed wires into the sandwich.

cementhead

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« Reply #8 on: 23 Jul 2021, 10:05 pm »
Nice look, Theronbo. Subsonic, the no rez does bend ok, but definitely easier with the baffle off. I did run into a few alignment problems with the flat packs, which was my lack of experience, but it is a learning process. I did make the bottom removable to install the crossover after I glue up the baffles. Pic soon, I hope.

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« Reply #9 on: 24 Jul 2021, 03:44 pm »
My AV units were wired a little differently, but still had the wires coming out from the woofer hole. I did my best to match that with my replacement cabinet. The goal it for it to come out just above the woofer hole and just below the top of the cabinet. A little difficult, but not impossible.







subsonic1050

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« Reply #10 on: 25 Jul 2021, 07:56 pm »
Thanks Hobbs - that is essentially what I ended up doing. I drilled holes in the baffle to route the wires between all of the drivers, not just the cabinet to the first woofer. We'll see how it goes!

Next question - does the wiring for my crossovers look correct? How about the positioning on the board? I didn't solder anything yet, and I didn't fasten anything down yet either - wanted to make sure it's right first.


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« Reply #11 on: 25 Jul 2021, 08:41 pm »
The X-statik is a tough one, cuz there's 4 inductors in a relatively tight space.. i ended up separating them into 3 different boards and spacing them out, just to avoid any issues with the inductors.

I would turn the top inductor to it's outside faces the large inductor, then turn the massive bass inductor 90° so its leads are facing to the top, and turn the bottom mid inductor to face the large inductor on the right.

subsonic1050

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« Reply #12 on: 26 Jul 2021, 01:14 am »
Thanks Hobbs - I like your suggestions about where to move the inductors. That is the difficulty here - finding a way to place them properly in a confined space!

I got more work done on the X-Statik's. I decided to trust my woodworking gut and to glue up the cabinet all at once - I'm very glad I did it that way. I also decided to use some biscuits for alignment and to potentially add a little strength to the connection between the front baffle and the rest of the cabinet.



I like dados or rabbets where and when possible. I ended up using some stopped dados for the internal braces on the back of the front baffle as well as on the side walls.



Glue ups went pretty smoothly



I sanded everything and put roundovers on the rest of the cabinet. Then I made some feet that will be removable and will hold the crossovers. Then I shot it with a coat of primer mainly to seal it up. My buddy is going to finish the cabinets - he plans to do a piano gloss finish on them.



Installing the No Res after the cabinet was assembled was actually not difficult at all. Most of the no res fit through the woofer openings without even needing to bend it. There was one section which required bending the No Res slightly, but it was not difficult in the least.












Hollis Prince

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« Reply #13 on: 26 Jul 2021, 12:02 pm »
You did a great job on these! I just finished mine this past weekend and I'm very happy with how they look and sound. Looks like you have some pretty awesome woodworking skills!

Hollis Prince

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« Reply #14 on: 26 Jul 2021, 12:06 pm »
I just thought of this:
I bet this is why they always had the baffle in 2 layers for the OB part, and a single layer for the enclosure part. It's to facilitate drilling up through the baffle for the wiring to run through. It's extremely difficult if you have an entire double layer baffle like mine.

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« Reply #15 on: 27 Jul 2021, 01:02 am »
The original AV-123 cabinets were double layered the whole length of the baffle, tbh.

But I think it was also partly due to the fact that their fronts were both bolted and glued on. The double thick baffle gave more support for the bolts to hold on to.. tho it also meant forgoing any round overs on the inside of the baffle.

Hollis Prince

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« Reply #16 on: 27 Jul 2021, 11:41 am »
Gotcha. How would one drill this hole with a double baffle? I honestly can't think of how.

subsonic1050

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« Reply #17 on: 27 Jul 2021, 07:00 pm »
I finished the X-Statik's yesterday and got them breaking in enough to do a little listening last night. As I said before, these just have a coat of primer on them to seal them up, my friend will be finishing them so you can still see some of the seams.

Here is a shot of the crossover all soldered up and glued in place:



I ran the wiring so that it was long enough that the bottom can be pulled off without removing the drivers.




A shot of the wiring on the back. I had no trouble drilling holes in the baffle to run the wires hidden to all 3 drivers. I just used a very long 3/8" drill bit and got a good angle on it. The woofer holes are large enough that you can drill close to vertically if you have a long enough bit so that your drill doesn't get in the way.



The completed speakers:









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« Reply #18 on: 27 Jul 2021, 11:51 pm »
So Impressive!  They look really good.

subsonic1050

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« Reply #19 on: 31 Jul 2021, 06:12 am »
I have decided I should post some listening impressions. This is partially because I think I can add something to the conversation and partially because I need to address some things I said in a different thread regarding my initial impressions of these speakers.

First of all, I sort of offhand mentioned that I didn't care for these speakers on a different post related to building a custom version of the X-Statik with a planar magnetic tweeter. After I built the speakers I hooked them up and played some music just to make sure that I had wired them up correctly. I didn't actually sit and listen to them at all until they had about 8 hours of play time on them. I knew that these speakers would break in over around 200 hours, but I assumed that I would have at least some idea what they would sound like after 8 hours of play time. I was wrong.

After 8 hours I hated them. I tried them with my Lyngdorf TDAI-2170 solid state amp as well as my PrimaLuna Evo 300 tube amp trying to find a good pairing. I said on the other thread that I didn't want to go so far as to say I hated them - but really I was being polite. I hated them. In fact, I was pretty distressed that I had taken the time to build them and that I had convinced a friend to part ways with his hard earned money to purchase them. I disliked them so much that I was seriously considering calling Danny and canceling my order for the 2 sets of NX-Treme's that I've been waiting for since May. I spoke with my relative in Vietnam (for whom the 2nd pair is for) about the experience and to be honest, we were both pretty rattled by what I was hearing - especially since each NX-Treme utilizes 8 of the same drivers that the X-Statik uses for it's midrange and bass drivers.

What I heard after 8 hours was a very thin, weak midrange and an extremely bright and shouty top end. I actually described them to my relative as "unlistenable". To me - they absolutely were. I had so much listening fatigue after only a few songs that my ears physically hurt. I had a headache and there was pressure in my ears similar to severe elevation changes. In addition to the weak midrange and bright top end - they also didn't have the open and airy sound I was looking for. It wasn't ALL bad - I could tell some positive things right away as well - the bass was fantastic. Not that it had major grunt - but they played significantly lower than I was expecting and the bass was fast and tight - really, really nice. Also the dynamics were great, as was the detail.

On that other thread a few people mentioned that their experiences were very different from mine. Mike Lundy mentioned that the drivers needed at least 30-50 hours break in - and that the midrange would open up and even out the treble (spoiler - he was right). I had also come to the conclusion that I needed to let them burn in more, but I really didn't think they could improve to the point where I would like them.

Well now the speakers are at 50 hours of break in (roughly). The difference is dramatic. Absolutely, night and day dramatic. My comparisons will be with my Magnepan 1.7i's - which are my current speaker and my favorite speakers that I've personally owned. I'll get it out of the way right away - I still prefer the Maggie's. The maggie's produce a richness in the midrange - particularly with string instruments and vocals that is unlike anything else I've ever heard. It's intoxicating. The X-Statik's still sound a bit thin and a bit distant by comparison, but they sure do sound GOOD now. Also, the bright top end has been tamed very significantly. They no longer hurt my ears and I've had 3 hour listening sessions with them the past 2 nights. Last night I still ended up with a headache - but it took several hours. The bass has only gotten better. It's absolutely amazing how fantastic the bass is from these (relatively) small speakers. Furthermore, that open and airy quality that I was looking for is now present. It's not on the level of the maggie's - but it's much, much more holographic than a normal box speaker. I'd also say that the soundstage from the Maggie's is roughly the same width - but it's much taller. You feel like you're getting hit with a wall of sound - with the x-statik it's a little more subdued but still excellent. I did also find that the positioning of the X-Statik is more critical than it was with the Magnepan speakers. Even a few inches of movement made a big difference, and the amount of toe had a profound effect.

All in all the X-Statik is a very good speaker. It is especially great as a first "audiophile" speaker. I'm now happy that my friend put the money into these speakers. One of his favorite commercial brands used to be B&W. Given their lineup tends to be a bit bright (for my taste) this may be a great fit for him.

I guess I wanted to post this to give encouragement to anyone who builds the X-Statik and doesn't like them right away. I've experienced speaker break-in many times, but I've never experienced changes this dramatic. All I could find online were countless reviews which raved about them - nobody seemed to dislike them, and I couldn't find any description similar to what I'm describing here. I will say that I am very susceptible to listening fatigue and that I prefer a warm sounding rig for that reason. If someone is reading this in the future and hates their new X-Statik's - fear not. Just push play and don't come back to listen for about 50 hours - you'll get the good stuff.