[jamesg11]

Phil A: "As noted in recent pages, I have not been able to get 24/176.4 with a Sony Blu-Ray player.  The DAC showed it receiving the signal but I got no sound."
Phil, I've had this same issue, when I got a Sony BDP-S370 for sacd conversion to 176.4, with an Atlona 577.  My CA650BD (Oppo chipset) is fine with 88.2 conversion & sound out of dac, but with the Sony the dac shows the 176 conversion - but no actual sound signal. Did you sort your problem with this?

[Phil A]

Phil A: "As noted in recent pages, I have not been able to get 24/176.4 with a Sony Blu-Ray player.  The DAC showed it receiving the signal but I got no sound."
Phil, I've had this same issue, when I got a Sony BDP-S370 for sacd conversion to 176.4, with an Atlona 577.  My CA650BD (Oppo chipset) is fine with 88.2 conversion & sound out of dac, but with the Sony the dac shows the 176 conversion - but no actual sound signal. Did you sort your problem with this?

James - no not yet.  Someone suggested several pages back that turning on my Integra pre/pro to allow a handshake might solve it.  I have the Sony (same model as you but it is labeled as BDP-BX37) but it is in the office system with a Pioneer 1120 where I can pass DSD.  It is on my to do list when I get a chance to try this.  What I noticed with my Port-ta box (same as Monoprice), it seems to sound better with my Oppo with nothing hooked up to the HDMI out.  While I get 88.2 with the Oppo, I can upsample it in my DAC and when I get to re-try the experiment, I want to be able to spend time.  Might be a few more weeks or so until I get to it.  Have been doing some outside stuff and just got a digital coax cable to evaluate.  I actually am very pleased withe quality of 88.2 into the DAC.  It sounds better to me than my modded Oppo BDP-83.  If I can get it a little better, that would be great too

[rbbert]

I think I have this straight, but perhaps someone with more experience could confirm it?

If I buy the Monoprice box to take the signal from my Oppo 83, will I still need to connect the HDMI output of the Monoprice to something (will a HDTV only work?  will a Geffen HDMI Detective only work too?)   Is the highest resolution for SACD's this way 24/88.2?  Will the Monoprice pass 24/192 from DVD-A's and/or Blurays with a 24/192 recording?

Thank you!

[Phil A]

I think I have this straight, but perhaps someone with more experience could confirm it?

If I buy the Monoprice box to take the signal from my Oppo 83, will I still need to connect the HDMI output of the Monoprice to something (will a HDTV only work?  will a Geffen HDMI Detective only work too?)   Is the highest resolution for SACD's this way 24/88.2?  Will the Monoprice pass 24/192 from DVD-A's and/or Blurays with a 24/192 recording?

Thank you!

It's covered many pages back.  With the Monoprice box (product ID 5557) from the Oppo you don't need anything connected to the output (in fact I think it sounds better with nothing connected to the output).  It does pass 192kHz from DVD-As.

[rbbert]

Thanks, but do I ever need to hook the Monoprice up to an HDMI device for a "handshake"?

[ted_b]

The Oppo passes 192k from DVD-A's from it's coax out, regardless of HDMI de-embedding.  And I can't imagine the Monoprice box does not need a handshake to be initially learned (although i wasn't aware it had that capability).  Certainly my Atlona box does (HD-570) and is what HDMi looks for.  Phil has become the de-embedder specialist more than me though, so I can't argue.  It's just atypical.

[rbbert]

The Oppo (BDP-83SE) manual says some commercial DVD-A's will not pass more than 48 kHz through the coax output.

[Phil A]

Thanks, but do I ever need to hook the Monoprice up to an HDMI device for a "handshake"?

I use the Port-ta box (same as Monoprice and they make it for Monoprice - Googel Port-ta PET4000) every week with the BDP-83 with no handshake and I also use the Monoprice box in the secondary basement system with an old Oppo DV980H with no handshake as well

[Phil A]

I have not tried every DVD-A made, but I own over 60 and I have not had one where the BDP-83 would not sent the full resolution over coax to my DAC

[rbbert]

Thanks so much!  It seems to good to be true     I'll be checking out the Rega and AVA DAC's in the next couple of months.

[jamesg11]

Thanks Phil, hope you sort it eventually.  Meanwhile, I'm still chipping away at different ways through this no sound pass-through of displayed 176.4 from Sony into Atlona 577.  I just don't fundamentally 'get' the concept of having the dac clearly receive the 176, but has no signal to give to the pre. Explanations?

[Phil A]

Thanks Phil, hope you sort it eventually.  Meanwhile, I'm still chipping away at different ways through this no sound pass-through of displayed 176.4 from Sony into Atlona 577.  I just don't fundamentally 'get' the concept of having the dac clearly receive the 176, but has no signal to give to the pre. Explanations?

I had the same thing.  I'll try to catch up and try it with the pre/pro taking a handshake perhaps next weekend.

[ted_b]

Here is some great info from a de-embedder thread on Computer audiophile.  Pacwin claims that yes, the HDMI processor on the back end IS important (i.e capturing or using the EDID must be from a processor capable of 24/176 if you wanna do 24/176.  So borrow one, capture it, and be done).  Other info too, especially about getting a Sony to work.
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Atlona-HD577-Audio-De-embedder-Experiences-Sony-BDP-S370-and-Samsung-PS50C550-HDMI-endpoint

[jaywills]

FWIW, I establish the initial handshake with my OPPO player and then use the de-embedder switch to change over to the Sony (I use the Sony for SACD and the OPPO for everything else).  About as often as not, when I try to use the Sony first, I can't get a feed until I get the OPPO to handshake.  Seems odd and I have no idea why this pattern has developed, but, if I start with the OPPO, then switch to the Sony, I have no problems getting 176 sound out of SACD's.  Good luck.  Cordially,

[Phil A]

FWIW, I establish the initial handshake with my OPPO player and then use the de-embedder switch to change over to the Sony (I use the Sony for SACD and the OPPO for everything else).  About as often as not, when I try to use the Sony first, I can't get a feed until I get the OPPO to handshake.  Seems odd and I have no idea why this pattern has developed, but, if I start with the OPPO, then switch to the Sony, I have no problems getting 176 sound out of SACD's.  Good luck.  Cordially,

Thanks - it's on my list to try later this weekend.  I just need to move the Sony from my office system.  Do you notice a difference in sound quality from SACDs between the Oppo vs. the Sony feeding your DAC?

[jaywills]

"Do you notice a difference in sound quality from SACDs between the Oppo vs. the Sony feeding your DAC?"

To be honest, I'm not sure that I do.  While I >think< I hear an improvement, that may just be the halo effect from seeing the "176" on the DAC display instead of the 88.  i don't have copies of any of the SACD's I own, so instantaneous a/b'ing can't be done.  Given what I've read about aural memory, I suspect that I might "forget" what I heard from the OPPO by the time I switch the SACD from it to the Sony.  If I can lay my hands on a copy of one of my SACD's with which I'm familiar, I could cue both the OPPO and the Sony up for a/b comparison via the HDMI switcher.  I'll post if I do and hear a repeatable difference.  Cordially,

[Phil A]

Jay - thanks, I might have one duplicate (I think I have both the stereo and multi-channel "Kind of Blue" so I can play them both in stereo) if I get around to trying it.  What I get from the Oppo sounds good.  I have to get around to do the comparison anyway sooner or later as I'm likely going to move my Oppo BDP-93 from the bedroom system and put my modded BDP-83 in the bedroom system.  Will make it a bit easier with the 2 HDMI's (but it is not a huge deal swapping HDMI cables).  I probably can borrow copies of SACDs I have if I feel it is worth it.  If it works, next time one of my friends comes over, I'll ask him to bring some of what I have.  It sounds so good now, and I've been busy with non-audio stuff that I've put it off.

[jamesg11]

Jaywills, I set my Atlona 577 up much the same, with Cambridge establishing edid & Sony switchable.  But, no go!  Sony just registers 176.4 on dac display, with no sound. CA 650BD is fine, at 24/88.2.

Would have thought CompAudiophile solution of suggested receiver with 24/192 would also mean no CA sound at 24/88.2?  I'm just using TV as hdmi endpoint.

[jaywills]

Good morning, James, sorry to hear about your difficulties.  While I'm not familiar with the Atlona, when checking its owner's manual, I noticed that its s/pdif output is "two channel only."  On the Monoprice I'm using, when I select "2-channel," I get no sound either; it must be switched to 5.1 (for reasons that remain mysterious to me) in order for me to get two-channel sound out at 176.  If you have a spare toslink cable, which I'm inferring will do multi-channel from the Atlona info cited above, you might try connecting with it to see if that gives you some relief.  Sorry not to be able to be more helpful.  Cordially,

[jaywills]

BTW, James, I recall from the Atlona instructions that the rear panel DIP switches must be used to establish the edid for each source separately.  While I suspect that you've already pursued that, I thought I'd mention it as well in case it had been overlooked.  Good luck.  Cordially,