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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Cheap and Cheerful HiFi => Topic started by: listenermark on 28 Jul 2023, 01:53 pm
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What are three pieces of advice you would offer your younger self entering this hobby?
Here's mine:
1. Avoid horn speakers.
2. Speaker sensitivity isn't especially important.
3. Watch the used market to see what new gear people are keeping/selling.
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Mine would be the exact opposite of your top two. My third one would be: Don't buy solid-state gear.
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Three pieces of advice to give my younger self before diving in, hmmmmmm...
1. Look used first for gear you are interested in.
2. Do more exploring with DIY kits. More for the money, and flexibility to change something on the fly.
3. Minimalist approach.
3a. Fix the damn room! :lol:
JCarney
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Only one piece of advice: Just buy the piece of gear you really want in the first place. It will save you $$ in the long run.
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It's the room, It's the source, It's what sounds good to you! Not the reviews... :thumb:
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What are three pieces of advice you would offer your younger self entering this hobby?
Here's mine:
1. Avoid horn speakers.
2. Speaker sensitivity isn't especially important.
3. Watch the used market to see what new gear people are keeping/selling.
2. Speaker sensitivity isn't especially important.
Buy a 3-way Magnepan 84dB 4ohms (3 ohms most of the freq range) and you will need a expensive 500W Solid State monster amp.
Buy a 2-way Klipsch RF7 new or used 101dB 8ohms or similar and you will choose a plethora of small tube amps as Decware SE84 Zen Triode 2Watts $1200 new.
http://www.glowinthedarkaudio.com/amps.html
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It's the room, It's the source, It's what sounds good to you! Not the reviews... :thumb:
I agree. Enjoy it. Stop caring what others think. It's your system, not theirs.
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I couldn't offer my younger self any advice, I would do it all exactly the same. Stereophile and The Absolute Sound didn't exist, stereo boutique showrooms hadn't been invented yet and no audio shows either. We had a couple hobby technical magazines that never wrote about sound, just measurements. Low powered Heathkit and single driver coaxial speakers was state of the art. Come to think of it not much has changed. I have enjoyed every piece of equipment and stereo I put together over the last 60 years.
1. Have fun
2. Go to audio shows or join a club if your town has one, the hardest part at the beginning was getting a point of reference to judge my stereo's sound.
3. Buy used, that expensive shiny new toy will always become a door stop in a couple of years. The used market was non-existent when I started.
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Do not be close minded.
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Invest wisely
Don't believe her
Keep working out
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Only one piece of advice: Just buy the piece of gear you really want in the first place. It will save you $$ in the long run.
But how do you know what you really want until you've tried 15-20 different options in your system long-term?
My advice in order of importance:
Optimize room and speaker position.
Buy used, as often as you can, to find out what you enjoy most.
If you like a piece from a manufacturer, moving up that manufacturer's line doesn't always mean you'll like the more expensive piece...if I had a nickel.
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In this context my younger self was still in his late 50’s and I’m only coming to appreciate this a couple of years later.
1) Learn and plan first. Define expectations and constraints. Know how and why they might be in conflict.
2) Speakers
3) Room and setup before anything else. Great gear is only as good as 1 and 2.
4) Reviews rarely if ever include anything about 3. Your ears in your room is what matters.
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1.) Develop an optimized room (proper shape, not small, well insulated, dedicated to listening, correct set up).
2.) Find loudspeakers that fit the room (fills the room but not too big).
3.) Stream CD (or better) quality music.
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Everything matters
Your system, your ears, your likes
Be wary of recommendations made by individuals with owner bias
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:lol:
Plan ahead and stick to a budget, not a credit card limit.
Don't go down the HT route
DIY = fun projects + better gear - money
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But how do you know what you really want until you've tried 15-20 different options in your system long-term?
I have an example -- I dabbled in entry-level tube gear 20 years ago. I knew there was better stuff out there, but it was a lot more expensive. It took me 20 years to finally spend more money on tube gear. Now I own what I should have purchased a long time ago. The same is true for my truck. I should have acquired what I wanted 7 years ago, but I didn't want to spend the extra money.
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Do not be close minded.
I would add:
= Dont let paid magazines and audio sites plenty of advertisers brainwash you.
= Read books as Ryder or Tomer on audio tubes, some are free online.
https://www.tubedepot.com/t/other-stuff/books
= If possible take a basic electronics training.
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Plan ahead and stick to a budget, not a credit card limit.
Don't go down the HT route
DIY = fun projects + better gear - money
Don't go down the HT route
+1. Music and action movies dont mix well.
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Have just posted this topic to help new members at the Starting Block Circle.
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=186622.msg1956736#msg1956736
if there are any change you think will improve please inform here that I will add.
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1. Family is more important than gear. Stick to an equipment and music budget that is appropriate for your circumstances and spend time with people, not just your system.
2. Listen long and often before locking in an opinion about what matters and what doesn't, and what's good and what isn't.
3. Before deciding on an equipment upgrade, try moving your gear and your listening position around. You might end up with new priorities.
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1. Family is more important than gear. Stick to an equipment and music budget that is appropriate for your circumstances and spend time with people, not just your system.
2. Listen long and often before locking in an opinion about what matters and what doesn't, and what's good and what isn't.
3. Before deciding on an equipment upgrade, try moving your gear and your listening position around. You might end up with new priorities.
I'm bit high right now (it's medicinal), but that's a wise words, well said.Peace out.
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1. Start with a budget, which includes having a means to pay for it.
I always said to have a budget, and apply it to the areas of your sound system.
Example: $1K for the analog (turntable, cartridge, and phono pre-amp), $1K (for the amplification and control), etc.
When you upgrade, you double or triple the $1K. An option is to sell the original area of your sound system (if you don't decide to keep it for a secondary system) to fund the upgrade. Deals can be had with used equipment, but shouldn't be the end all focus. Look for sales and closeouts. Definitely check out direct-to-customer vendors at audio festivals.
2. If your system can't handle all kinds of music, it's only partially good.
Some people will not agree, but it is the truth. You should not care how classical music sounds on their horns with tubes. Look at how many people on this forum listen to metal, electronica, popular music, and the like. Listen to your music, not theirs. If a vendor at a will not allow you to listen to your music, they might be hiding the fact that their overpriced crap can't handle it (or they are looking down at you and your music). I witnessed a popular vendor play rap music for someone who was auditioning the system.
3. Listen to the music, not the equipment.
When your favorite band or song is playing, rock out. Don't complain about imaginary faults, In my time at audio festivals, only once or twice I had to leave a room over terrible sounding speakers.
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1) Price is no indicator of quality
2) Newer is not always better
3) Don't trust reviews
4) Buy used whenever possible
5) Even better, DIY
6) Don't spend excessive amounts on cables
7) Headphones give you better bang for the buck compared with speakers
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1. Take advantage of the often-overlooked upgrades: Moving the speakers, moving the listener, and treating the room. Your equipment may be better than you think. In doing this, a measurement setup (e.g., free REW and a UMIK-1 for ~$80) is not absolutely necessary, but it can help you get great results quicker.
2. If you're thinking of changing cables or you find some recordings great and others unpleasant, consider adding a simple defeatable equalizer to your system, such as something from the Schiit Loki line. The fact is, some recordings are great and others are unpleasant.
3. Buying used is not always an economical approach. Once a system reaches a certain level (let's say "very good" to your ears), it may be more economical to pay the new-equipment price in exchange for an extended home trial of anything you're considering. That can save a lot of equipment churning, which is itself expensive.
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1) Price is no indicator of quality
2) Newer is not always better
3) Don't trust reviews
4) Buy used whenever possible
5) Even better, DIY
6) Don't spend excessive amounts on cables
7) Headphones give you better bang for the buck compared with speakers
Very well said, I agree with all these items.
I will use this your post on other topic in the Starting Block Circle about the same subject.
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Hi Zuman,
Really good advice that I should have thought of so many years ago :).
Cheers Rod
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A lot of great advice offered here and a few clunkers. From my experience, one of the better simple pieces of advice was mix4fix's #2. If your system can't handle all kinds of music, it's only partially good. Two noted clunkers or poor advice were offered by the OP. 1. Avoid horn speakers. 2. Speaker sensitivity isn't important. Everything considered though, mostly excellent/positive advice can be found in this thread.
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1. do not Avoid horn speakers.
2. Speaker sensitivity is especially important.
3. Keep buying and selling even if you're happy with what you got assuming you have the time for it
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I cant blame him on horn, it need a big room and a good tube amp, I had listened a AvantGarde Uno(or Duo?) in a top system/big room and was a disappointing expenrience, the soundstage was 2D and horizontally narrow.
The only horn I want to try is the Frugal Horn.
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Understanding that it's a journey and what seems like a final destination is only another way station. So, have fun!
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Sounds good!!!
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Do you know anyone who owns a wery good sounding system and (mybe) a lot of experience? A well seasoned audiophile?
Before buying or deciding anything, ask if he will bother to help you listen to the component you`re concidering to buy.
And, do not waste your money on expensive cables or gadgets.
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1. Audio hope is dope.
2. Mid-fi really is good enough.
3. Ego is never satisfied.
Bonus track:
4. A healthy body and mind are the greatest hifi upgrades.
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What are three pieces of advice you would offer your younger self entering this hobby?
Here's mine:
1. Avoid horn speakers.
2. Speaker sensitivity isn't especially important.
3. Watch the used market to see what new gear people are keeping/selling.
None of the above. Choose a budget. You are building a system. Synergy matters.
charles
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If you keep cats in the house, avoid speakers covered in 'socks'.
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Only one piece of advice: Just buy the piece of gear you really want in the first place. It will save you $$ in the long run.
Hi Tyson. So much for Cheap and Cheerful, ha. Looking at your gallery, I don't see the Spacials. Did you sell those in favour for the Exotica's? Audiophools need to know.
Rocket Ronny
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Hi Tyson. So much for Cheap and Cheerful, ha. Looking at your gallery, I don't see the Spacials. Did you sell those in favour for the Exotica's? Audiophools need to know.
Rocket Ronny
Yep, sold the X3's and bought a pair of NX-Oticas with triple OB sub towers to take their place.
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I find that surprising as you felt the Beyma air motion was one of the best highs. Anything you can share between the two? Thanks
Rocket Ronny
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I find that surprising as you felt the Beyma air motion was one of the best highs. Anything you can share between the two? Thanks
Rocket Ronny
Main thing is I moved up my Super 7's from my downstairs HT system to my 2 channel system on the main floor because the Super 7's really are better than the X3's for music.
I tried using the X3's in my HT setup and they sounded good, but just didn't produce enough bass on action movies. So I sold them and got the NX-Studio's and the triple OB stacks which are much better suited to the job.
If I were to compare the NX-Otica to the X3's for just music, the NX-Oticas are superior, for my tastes. The NX-Oticas are closer to a 'cost and space no object' design, while the X3's are more of a 'superlative sound in a compact package' design. If I were still married and had to deal with the WAF issues, no doubt I'd still have the X3's because they certainly are more elegant in a living room space.
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So I sold them ...
To me, which launched me on an almost finished amplifier odyssey. They're perfect for my room as I can fine tune the bass to account for the gigantic bass trap (leather sectional) located between where I do most of my listening and the speakers.
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- Gear cant fix the room, your room is the most important
- Speaker Placement is Key
- absorption and reflection make a huge difference