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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: Napalm on 31 May 2010, 08:03 pm
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Stereophile is currently running a poll with the question:
...how many of the products in your system are actually manufactured outside of your home country?
http://cgi.stereophile.com/cgi-bin/displayvote.cgi (http://cgi.stereophile.com/cgi-bin/displayvote.cgi)
I just realized that thanks to fine Canadian companies like Bryston and Paradigm, I can answer "1" (the CD player) - and that is going to change soon to "0".
Whoa. Quite a feat these days.
Nap. :thumb:
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Great question for a poll.
In my case:
Salk Songtowers - USA
Rogue Cronus Magnum - USA
Lenco TT - Switzerland
NAD C565BEE - China
Squeezebox Touch - China (?)
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Well, Bryston is Canada and that is a large portion of the electronics in my main system. Thiel is made in the USA. Oppo, China. In the main system I also have a Pioneer LD Player, Sony CD/SACD changer, a Torus, a couple of Richard Gray units, a PS Audio outlet on the BenQ projector and a Stewart screen in additioon to odds and ends. I really never look at where something is made. It is a lot harder these days to say where something or each of its components are made. It was much different 30+ years ago (when I was 5 of course :green:).
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Great idea for a poll Nap! And I was surprised when I actually thought about it
I live in the states and out of all my equipment, I only have one that was made in the states and those are my speaker cables. They were made in the best state though. Yup, that's right Oregon.
Paradigm Floors, center, surround, and sub - Canada
Bryston Amp - Canada
Rotel Receiver - China
NAD CD Player - China
Sony PS3 and HD Radio Tuner - China
XBOX - China
Audioquest Cables - China?
Taralabs Cables - Oregon
I wish there was a North American Company that made simple, high quality, No BS, A/V Recievers.
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Made in USA, Canada, Germany, etc. doesn't necessarily mean what you think it does.
Only 51% of the total cost of a component or assembly has to be made in the "parent" country for it to be labelled so.
For instance, your expensive motorcycle forks may be labelled Made In Italy which is where the fork tubes were actually manufactured but everything else (triple tree, all fork internals and sliders) could be from China.
The fork tubes cost 51% of the total price so Made In Italy it is.
Buell, for instance, had to remove "American Motorcycles" from their logo once they went under the magic 51% mark.
Having said that:
VTL - USA
Magnepan - USA
SVS - USA
Sonic Frontiers - Canda
Oppo, Jolida, HHb - China
Carver - Japan
Well Tempered - USA
Ortofon - Denmark
Cables - USA, Sweden
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In response to the poll: Bryston, made in Ontario; Wadia, made in Michigan(?); Richard Gray, made in Louisiana; Transparent, made in Maine; REL, made in the UK; Magnepan, made in Minnesota. Granite from Brazil; Oak from US forests. For me, the West is best.
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I don't believe Transparent manufactures its cables, but has someone somewhere do it for them. Their entry power cords are made in China
Nordost does make their cables.
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Let's see now,
Tonian Labs TL-D1s-Glendale, Ca.
Burson PP-100-Australia
Teac PD-H600-Japan
Supra Cables-Sweden-terminated and finished-Glendale, Ca.
Oppo DV-983H-China
Samsung LCD TV-So. Korea
Is there any place I missed?
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Outside of my country:
Bryston 7B SST2 (2), BP26, MPS2, Torus CS15: Canada
Esoteric X-05: Japan
Benz Micro Wood SL: Switzerland
Inside my country (USA):
Infinity 9 Kappas
WireWorld Silver Eclipse 6 SC's and IC's
VPI Classic TT
VPI Tone Arm cables
Ray Samuels Audio F-117 Nighthawk Phono Stage
Adcom GFT 555 AM FM Tuner
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An interesting question might be how many components out there without "offshore" parts inside?
Don
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An interesting question might be how many components out there without "offshore" parts inside?
Don
Is there such a thing? Even if all the parts are made in the originating country, what about the actual material?
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My active speakers which would, hence, have to include my amps, and my turntable, are British. Oh, but I use a Sony for a CD transport, too.
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Amplifier and pre-amplifier Canada
Speakers USA
CD Player Japan
Cables Canada
Be well...
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Bryston-Canada
JBL-Mexico (starting this next month all JBL will be manufactured in Mexico and China)
Onkyo CD-Malaysia
Technics turntable-Japan
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JBL-Mexico (starting this next month all JBL will be manufactured in Mexico and China)
Are you sure it will be all JBL speakers manufactured in Mexico and China vegasdave??
:scratch:
Be well...
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Are you sure it will be all JBL speakers manufactured in Mexico and China vegasdave??
:scratch:
Be well...
Why would you care, you already secured your pair, eh?
What I'm waiting for with great enthusiasm is the moment when China will come sell all those products directly, under their own brands. At which point all these companies that outsourced will go into oblivion.
Nap. :thumb:
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System 1:
Acoustat speakers (dedicated tube amps) - USA
Korato Preamp - Serbia
JPS Labs interconnect - USA
Kaplan PCs - USA
Squeezebox - China? (Bolder mods - USA)
BPT Battery PS for SB3 - USA
GIK Treatments - USA
System 2
Dynaudio speakers - Denmark
Korato Preamp - Serbia
Korato Amp - Serbia
Kaplan PC's - USA
JPS Labs interconnects - USA
Harmonic Tech Pro 9 speaker cables - USA
Squeezebox - China? (Bolder mods - USA)
Bolder PS for SB3 - USA
GIK Treatments - USA
Bryan
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A leauge of nations ;
Speakers; Maggie 3As USA
Pipedream 924s USA
Omega: USA
Heco Hoerns: Germany
Amps; AR DR250 Servo Mk2 USA
AR Classic 60 USA
Opera Cyber 211 China
Preamp; Loecsh and Weisner USA
Promitheus TVC Malaysia Rebuilt in USA by Mapleshade
TT: Linn LP12 Scotland
Cart; Micro Benz M2 Switzerland
Linn Arkiv Scotland
CDP: Lector 7TL Italy
Sony 755 SACD, Japan
DAC; Promitheus, Malaysia, Rebuid USA
Subwoofer: Carver Sunfire USA
Cables; Power WE NOS USA, Omega Mikro Active USA
ICs JPS Labs SC3 USA, Harmonix Golden Ratio Japan, Tara Decade: USA, China, Morey James Sprk 1: Canada
Digital: Straitwire silver: USA
Speaker ; Omega Mikro active USA, Stealth ? Supra: Sweden
Power Conditioning: Alan Maher CBFs USA [ system]
Richard Grey : Digital only
They get along so nice.
charles
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Squeezebox =China
Sony S7000 transport = Japan
Benchmark DAC-1 = USA (?)
Bryston BP25 = Canada
Bryston 4B = Canada
PMC TB2's = UK
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Sources - Canada (Bryston), Japan (Sony SACD) & USA (Hafler)
Preamp - USA (ARC)
Amps - Canada (Bryston)
Speakers - USA (Magnepan & Velodyne)
Cables - Canada & USA (various)
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Axis of audio system....
source made in China
speakers made in Iran
amps made in North Korea
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CD player and Tuner: Marantz (Japan)
DVD player: Denon (Japan)
Pre Amp: Aaron (Germany, although it originally was Dutch)
Power Amp: Bryston (Canada)
Loudspeakers: Selfmade using Seas Nextel units (Norway)
TV: Loewe (Germany)
Cable box: Samsung (Korea)
Interlinks: NordOst (USA)
Speaker Cables: Monitor PC (don't have a clue)
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AV Receiver-SONY-Japan
PS3 -SONY-Japan
Blu-Ray Pl. -SONY-Japan
Energy Spkr-Klipsch-USA?
Squeezebox- -China
Tube DAC-China via Canada(Grant Fidelity)
POLK Sub---??
JBL's--USA (I totally forgot them)duh
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Axis of audio system....
source made in China
speakers made in Iran
amps made in North Korea
werd!
Do not give any of these blunt skull, blood sucking, penny-pinching CEOs any ideas :nono:
Be well...
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Bryston amps and BCD-1 Canada , JBL speakers, Northridge- Cal, USA , Nordost wires USA. :thumb:
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Are you sure it will be all JBL speakers manufactured in Mexico and China vegasdave??
:scratch:
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Yes, I am sure. I talked to a guy that works for JBL. No more JBLs made in the US. Either Mexico or China, or a combination of both.
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Bryston amps and BCD-1 Canada , JBL speakers, Northridge- Cal, USA , Nordost wires USA. :thumb:
Which JBLs?
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Yes, I am sure. I talked to a guy that works for JBL. No more JBLs made in the US. Either Mexico or China, or a combination of both.
Looks like my JBLs just went up in value...
Be well...
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Yes, I am sure. I talked to a guy that works for JBL. No more JBLs made in the US. Either Mexico or China, or a combination of both.
If this is the case, I wonder how many people are going to drop $40-$50K on a JBL K2 that is made in China or Mexico :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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It is the case. The K2 and Everest cabinets will be made in Europe.
Well, I hope the prices will come down considerably. You would think so.
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Looks like my JBLs just went up in value...
Be well...
Pretty much. But, there's some all US made units floating around, unless they all went to Japan. Then of course, there's the used market.
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Great idea for a poll!
Krell amp-USA
Dynaudio speakers-Denmark
Target speaker stands-England
Dual turntable-Germany
Creek phono-stage-England
Pioneer blu ray-Japan
Samsung LCD TV-Mexico
Arcam CD-China
Zu Audio Cables-USA
There is a pride of ownership in items from certain countries. In the end though it comes down to how well equipment is made and performs.
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It is the case. The K2 and Everest cabinets will be made in Europe.
Well, I hope the prices will come down considerably. You would think so.
Nope. It's the CEO's bonus that will go up considerably.
Nap.
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Yes my ti 250s are from Northridge becuase they're cica 1888. I,ve had the bass surrounds replaced once and they sure get it on with Bryston gear. :thumb:
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It is the case. The K2 and Everest cabinets will be made in Europe.
Well, I hope the prices will come down considerably. You would think so.
You think this is really going to happen?
I see that a large Japanese car manufacturer just offered their employees a 24% raise in China - apparently, it worked out to approximately $250 a month and some employees have not had a raise in 5 years. I look at my Chinese made KEFs with all the problems I have experienced with them and just shudder about JBL going this route.
As for Chinese or Mexican made K2s - suppositories may be a better use…
Be well...
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Time to ask James who does the software for the BDP-1..... While sometimes funny, indglish messages on the display wouldn't be that impressive, eh?
"Please enter Hard Disk" :lol:
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Time to ask James who does the software for the BDP-1..... While sometimes funny, indglish messages on the display wouldn't be that impressive, eh?
"Please enter Hard Disk" :lol:
Software is done in-house so we can manipulate it any way we want :lol:
james
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You think this is really going to happen?
I see that a large Japanese car manufacturer just offered their employees a 24% raise in China - apparently, it worked out to approximately $250 a month and some employees have not had a raise in 5 years. I look at my Chinese made KEFs with all the problems I have experienced with them and just shudder about JBL going this route.
As for Chinese or Mexican made K2s - suppositories may be a better use…
Be well...
I really don't know. It's possible. Yeah, I'm not liking the idea myself. Maybe I can get my hands on US made JBLs when the time is right. However, all new drivers even for already made in USA JBLs, *will* be made in Mexico!
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Yes my ti 250s are from Northridge becuase they're cica 1888. I,ve had the bass surrounds replaced once and they sure get it on with Bryston gear. :thumb:
Cool. I bet. Sounds great.
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I really don't know. It's possible. Yeah, I'm not liking the idea myself. Maybe I can get my hands on US made JBLs when the time is right. However, all new drivers even for already made in USA JBLs, *will* be made in Mexico!
Maybe you should reevaluate the Klipschorns?
Nap. :lol:
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I dunno really. Everything's up in the air at the moment. I'm a long way from getting anything, let alone K-Horns.
Anyway, I am re-evaluating my decision to purchase the 1400 Arrays. I would love to have 'em of course, but not if the quality goes down and the price goes up.
So until then, I will continue to enjoy my JBL L890s, warts and all.
Mexican made too, thank you very much. But they only cost me $800 US a pair!
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:idea: Subwoofer.
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Assembled -
Amp. - Canada
PreAmp - Canada
CD Player - Canada
IC's - Canada
Speaker cable - Japan
Turntable - UK
Tuner - Japan
Speakers - UK
Banana's & Spades - Japan
Audio Cabinet - US
Ears - Scottish/Irish
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Buy Dynaudio. They are made in Denmark and offer service that rivals Bryston, less the 20 year warranty. Though they still make drivers (in Denmark) for every speaker that they've made for the past 30+ years. Dynaudio goes so far as to match a replacement driver to the original based on the measurements of the serial no. of the original speaker.
I don't know why you would need a replacement though, my little 1.3 SEs handle insane volumes with no sign of compression. My friend is running Dyn C1s with a Krell FPB 750cx amp to incredible effect. I cannot say that he is using 1500 watts into monitors but the sound quality is astounding even at incredible volumes!!!
Maybe it's time to try something new. Pose the question to Rob808 whom owns Dyn 1.3 MkIIs and Special 25s.
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Assembled -
Amp. - Canada
PreAmp - Canada
CD Player - Canada
IC's - Canada
Speaker cable - Japan
Turntable - UK
Tuner - Japan
Speakers - UK
Banana's & Spades - Japan
Audio Cabinet - US
Ears - Scottish/Irish
Nice Rack! :green:
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Tonian Labs TL-D1s-Glendale, Ca.
Drivers made in China.
dave
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CD player / UK (but probably made in China)
dedicated iMac / China
FireWire DAC / designed in US made in China
TT /UK, UK arm (probably built in China), cart started out Japanese but then because Australian
Phono pre / made in Canada
Fornaco Pre-amp / made in Canada, Russian tubes
DynaMutt Power Amp / made in Canada, donor amps made in USA, tubes mostly from Europe
Speakers, all made in Canada. Drivers are all officially made in Canada, but started out Chinese.
dave
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CD player / UK (but probably made in China)
dedicated iMac / China
FireWire DAC / designed in US made in China
TT /UK, UK arm (probably built in China), cart started out Japanese but then because Australian
Phono pre / made in Canada
Fornaco Pre-amp / made in Canada, Russian tubes
DynaMutt Power Amp / made in Canada, donor amps made in USA, tubes mostly from Europe
Speakers, all made in Canada. Drivers are all officially made in Canada, but started out Chinese.
dave
So what are you running there superfly?
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CD player = Myryad MXC6000
iMac = 20" G5
FireWire DAC = Alesis io14
TT = Rega + Linn Basik + Garrott P77
Phono pre = battery powered diy based on the fancy National Semi OpAmps
Fornaco Pre-amp = diy, 6922 in a CC>CF config like a Foreplay, chassis ex Dyna SCA35 (hence For-naco)
DynaMutt Power Amp = push-pull EL34 development mule for Classic Valve Design input board
Speakers = various production & prototype planet10-hifi & Woden Design boxes with p10-hifi drivers (mostly based on Mark Audio & Fostex raw units)... right now the proto dMar-Ken7, deciSized miniOnken with Alpair 7 based driver.
forgot, Chinese subwoofer amp (PE house brand)
Any other questions :)
BTW: just the stuff in my main system
dave
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Austria Project TT
Japan Cart Dynavector
Canada Phonostg Sonic Frontiers
Canada CD Bryston
Canada Preamp Sonic Frontiers
Canada Amps Bryston
Canada sub Mirage
Canada Power Torus
Denmark JBL sub
US Magnapans
Canada Paradigms
Canada Mirage surrounds
Japan Bluray Pioneer
Japan Yamaha projector
China Harman K Reciever
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Buy Dynaudio. They are made in Denmark and offer service that rivals Bryston, less the 20 year warranty. Though they still make drivers (in Denmark) for every speaker that they've made for the past 30+ years. Dynaudio goes so far as to match a replacement driver to the original based on the measurements of the serial no. of the original speaker.
I don't know why you would need a replacement though, my little 1.3 SEs handle insane volumes with no sign of compression. My friend is running Dyn C1s with a Krell FPB 750cx amp to incredible effect. I cannot say that he is using 1500 watts into monitors but the sound quality is astounding even at incredible volumes!!!
Maybe it's time to try something new. Pose the question to Rob808 whom owns Dyn 1.3 MkIIs and Special 25s.
Maybe. But, Dynaudio, at least here in the US, does not give you as much value for the money as JBL and Klipsch, am I wrong?
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:idea: Subwoofer.
I don't really need it, imo.
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Maybe. But, Dynaudio, at least here in the US, does not give you as much value for the money as JBL and Klipsch, am I wrong?
I will vigorously beg to differ. Yes, you could buy a much larger JBL or Klipsch speaker for the same money. You will be buying big sound and big volume. Listen to a pair of Dynaudio monitors with a powerful amp though and I think that you will be more than pleasantly surprised by how "big" the sound.
You've seen my gallery, those tiny speakers reach near flat to 37 Hz and in room response is only down 3 db at 29 Hz. That is only a part of the story though. They have lightning fast transient response, holographic imaging, and a lack of compression even at insane volumes. I have received numerous comments by other listeners that attest to the same.
I will grant that my Contour 1.3 SEs sold for $3500.00 in 2000, but they perform like a Ferrari, lots of smiles per mile. What you are paying for is exceptional build quality. Woofers with 3" aluminum voice coils and dual neodymium magnets. A tweeter with dual neodymium/cobalt hybrid magnets. A Cabinet made with double walls isolated with viscoelastic material. Each speaker has two crossovers, half of which shame 90% of the competition. If you ever have a chance to listen to a pair you may become a believer. The Contour 1.3 SE was the most purchased speaker by Dyns own engineers in the history of their company. They are highly sought, rarely found and expensive, even used.
I really wish that you could hear what they are capable of, they would peel your hair back! :green:
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math-geek: Our Vegas Dave is a hard :rock:.
We all respect Dynaudio here but for his application bigger is better and that goes exponential in price with the Dyns.
Nap. :thumb:
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Well, yes, my main musical diet is hard rock and heavy metal. However, I listen to other genres as well.
I looked over the Dynaudios today at their website. Great stuff. The floorstander that attracted me most is the Focus 360.
What do you think of those, math-geek?
http://www.dynaudio.com/eng/systems/lines/focus/focus360.php#
At $7000 US retail price, it's $4000 or so less than the 1400 Arrays, which is attractive. The question is, would they sound as good or better than the JBLs? That's a difficult question to answer, unless by dumb luck I find a dealer that has both models *plus* Bryston equipment. We'll see what happens...
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Vegas: they will certainly sound different. Now which one is "better" only you can tell. In the end it's a matter of taste.
But now that you are exploring outside the JBLs, may we interest you too in some British made PMCs or a cluster of Canadian made speakers???
Nap. :thumb:
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Vegas: they will certainly sound different. Now which one is "better" only you can tell. In the end it's a matter of taste.
But now that you are exploring outside the JBLs, may we interest you too in some British made PMCs or a cluster of Canadian made speakers???
Nap. :thumb:
Of course, Napalm, but my point is, I'd like to compare them in the same place, not separately!
Nah, PMC is too tough with that price, you don't get too much for the money with them.
Which Canadian made speakers?
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Of course, Napalm, but my point is, I'd like to compare them in the same place, not separately!
Nah, PMC is too tough with that price, you don't get too much for the money with them.
Which Canadian made speakers?
How about Paradigm Reference and Signature series, they're Made in Canada?
Nap.
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How about Paradigm Reference and Signature series, they're Made in Canada?
Nap.
I haven't heard Paradigm in a long time, so I need a refresher course. What's the difference between Reference and Signature?
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Well, yes, my main musical diet is hard rock and heavy metal. However, I listen to other genres as well.
I looked over the Dynaudios today at their website. Great stuff. The floorstander that attracted me most is the Focus 360.
What do you think of those, math-geek?
http://www.dynaudio.com/eng/systems/lines/focus/focus360.php#
At $7000 US retail price, it's $4000 or so less than the 1400 Arrays, which is attractive. The question is, would they sound as good or better than the JBLs? That's a difficult question to answer, unless by dumb luck I find a dealer that has both models *plus* Bryston equipment. We'll see what happens...
That Esotar T330D tweeter in the Focus 360 is going to sound incredible! Rob808 here on the Bryston Forum owns Dyn Special 25s. If you are wondering or wanting to learn more please feel free to ask on the AVS Dynaudio owners thread. There are gentleman on there whom own the Focus 360 and can give you better input than I. How about a pair of Evidence Temptations? Mmmmm! :P
What I can say is that I have never heard a pair of speakers this size do justice to Metallica, Mastadon, Dio or Pantera the way these Dyns do. They do need tons of power to sing though. With your Bryston it is a non issue though! :green:
I heard a pair of Dyn C1s powered by a Krell FPB 750cx and it was damn near mind altering! Bookshelf speakers my a#$! Pulse input of a raw Dyn tweeter is 1000 watts! They are like Frankenstein's monster feed them and...
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I haven't heard Paradigm in a long time, so I need a refresher course. What's the difference between Reference and Signature?
Signature is beefier and more refined.
Nap. :thumb:
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I haven't heard Paradigm in a long time, so I need a refresher course. What's the difference between Reference and Signature?
A truly awesome speaker for around the $6k mark. I was very impressed with these speakers and at the time they were driven by a 14B SST, a Krell pre-amplifier and Krell CD player. The 14 was not a SST² unit and it was clipping a little bit while driving these speakers.
Paradigm Signature S8
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=31208)
Be well...
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Too rich for my blood. I wish my blood ran blue. :cry:
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Actually what Laundrew posted is a V.1 or V.2 pic.
V.3 (current) has beryllium tweeters.
Robert D here has them and could tell you how he likes them.
I'd say that if you want some serious slam this is the way to go. If you're not interested in that then you could go for the similarly priced PMCs or Dynaudios.
Nap. :thumb:
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Admittedly that is a rather stout speaker and probably a very fun listen!
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Admittedly that is a rather stout speaker and probably a very fun listen!
Very. My local dealer teases me every time I go there by playing them. At some point I'll probably cave in and upgrade.
Some info for Vegas Dave:
You can consider these:
- Studio 100 @ $3000
- Signature 6 @ $6000
- Signature 8 @ $9000
The Sig 6 is pretty much similar in sound to the Studio with the added benefit of beryllium tweeters (and although they have one less bass driver, the slam is about the same). The Sig 8 is a good step forward.
Nap. :thumb:
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Actually what Laundrew posted is a V.1 or V.2 pic.
V.3 (current) has beryllium tweeters.
Robert D here has them and could tell you how he likes them.
I'd say that if you want some serious slam this is the way to go. If you're not interested in that then you could go for the similarly priced PMCs or Dynaudios.
Nap. :thumb:
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Correct Nap, I auditioned them about two years ago :thumb:
Be well...
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Very. My local dealer teases me every time I go there by playing them. At some point I'll probably cave in and upgrade.
Some info for Vegas Dave:
You can consider these:
- Studio 100 @ $3000
- Signature 6 @ $6000
- Signature 8 @ $9000
The Sig 6 is pretty much similar in sound to the Studio with the added benefit of beryllium tweeters (and although they have one less bass driver, the slam is about the same). The Sig 8 is a good step forward.
Nap. :thumb:
Ok, thanks for the info. All of these are Canadian made, true?
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Damn, a used pair of JBLs...good price!
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1279915147&/JBL-Array-1400-
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Ok, thanks for the info. All of these are Canadian made, true?
Yes, the Studio and Signature lines are made in Canada, drivers included (Paradigm makes their own).
Nap. :thumb:
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Cool, thanks again. I'll check 'em out when I'm ready.