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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Critic's Circle (Equipment Reviews) => Reviews of Accessories => Topic started by: rydenfan on 15 Feb 2009, 05:57 pm
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Friday, I received my Synergistic Research Powercell 10 SE. It replaces the Running Springs Audio Danielle. The SE is the highest of the three versions that Synergistic offers. It differs from the standard 10 with an upgraded internal cell, a 32A Powercon connector, and replaces the standard cord with the Precision AC.
I am not going to make too many comments on it yet as it still needs time to break-in and I am not currently able to listen to music. Look for more to come over the next week or so but I thought you guys might enjoy a few pics :D The build quality is absolutely superb!! The pics do not begin to do justice of the high-gloss finish the entire chassis has.
OK, a little about the sound so far :wink: While watching TV and movies over the weekend my soundstage has become very spooky. It has moved a solid foot outside of each speaker. The word that comes to mind is holographic. My speakers seem to be disappearing more and it is hard to tell what sound is coming from what speaker. Also, all instruments (even through TV) just have a more live presence. There is almost a palpability to instruments. Very cool!! I will report back once I have more time and I am back in action with my tunes :thumb:
update
OK, after living with the Powercell for a few weeks now, this update is long overdue. Most components that I audition or own tend to typically have both positive and negatives. And if the positives are compelling enough for me to accept then negatives than it typically ends up in my system. The Powercell 10 SE bucks the trend here. I have really tried to come up with a negative sonic attribute, but in my system, it just does not exist. My only caveat is that you must be extremely careful when handling the unit as it could be easily scratched.
The first thing I noticed upon placing the Powercell into my system was the increased soundstage; sounds seem like they are coming from outside of the speakers. This has increased slightly over the last few weeks. I am not exactly sure what this can be attributed to? but my guess is true unrestricted dynamics. It is truly a holographic sound and must be heard to be understood. Due to this both micro and macro details and improved over my previous conditioners. There is a particular Medeski, Martin, and Wood track that I love to use as a demo for a variety of reason. There are some very faint backround sounds that I used to strain to hear but could tell they were there. With the Powercell in place these details were clearly heard yet maintained a very natural sound. Sometimes when auditioning various cords I have heard these details as well but along with that came a very forward and fatiguing sound, this is not the case at all with the Powercell. This track just exemplifies how the Powercell helps to add continuity to my system and sort out complex pieces of music. I almost feel as if the sound was a bit disjointed previously, now that I have heard it with the Powercell.
Bass is one area where the Powercell provides the greatest strengths to my system. It helped my bass be deep and tight and I feel became more taught and rock-solid in the lowest frequencies. Acoustic bass is still full-bodied and organic sounding while having excellent control. I believe that to be a real attribute of the Powercell as many other conditioners I have owned or auditioned tended to rob my system of those lower frequencies. Brian Bromberg sounds so organic that it feels as if you can hear the actual wood of his bass yet has all the punch and impact needed to convey the true sense of the instrument.
Over the first 100 hours or so the Powercell was ever so slightly closed in on the top end, but in this area I experienced the biggest change during break-in. The top end is now as unrestriced and glorious as all other areas. There is a very subtle and natural air that seems to exist above instruments and voices. All of this adds up to the most eased and relaxed sense of music I have heard in my system, and to me there is no higher praise I can give.
Up until now Power Conditioning has always been a necessary evil for me. Adding blacker backrounds, bass definition, etc. but always at the cost of something. In the end I would always find it worth it over going directly into the wall but never 100% satisfied; that has now changed. In my system the Synergistic Research Powercell 10 SE is a significant improvement. I understand if some feel that I am overly praising the Powercell 10 SE. My only response to that would be to go out and audition one yourself and then come back to me. It is extremely rare for me to set it and forget it. Usually even after purchasing a piece of gear I am still curious about other gear out there in the world and what it may sound like in my system. I can tell you that for my system the Powercell 10 SE is a set it and forget it. If you are looking for a conditioner to balance out a deficiency in your system, look elsewhere. The Powercell will simply allow you to hear the best of what your system has to offer.
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Awesome!
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Sounds incredible, looking forward to further information! :D
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Hi David, any update on the Powercell?
I'm also interested if you feed your Plinus from it - most of the power conditioning equipment (mine included) are not recommeded based on current limiting issues, and my understanding is that the Powercell should not limit current. Even though the Powercell is not inexpensive it has received great reviews so far, consequently any feeback you have with your equipment (and tubes :lol:) would be valuable.
Phil
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New review in Absolute Sound arrived yesterday.
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New review in Absolute Sound arrived yesterday.
Thanks, I let my subscription lapse - now they send me heartbreaking letters :cry:
Looks like a trip to Borders.
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New review in Absolute Sound arrived yesterday.
And???
Not looking for a paste and copy of the entire review, but just some basic comments.
George
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I just got one here today, I'll post some thoughts after it runs in a bit and I get a chance to do some listening with it, without it, and with my Running Springs back in...I'm off next week so will have a little time...
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Nice Art :wink:
I will post some long overdue thoughts tomorrow. They will be quite favorable :D
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Listening impressions updated :thumb:
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Nicely written David.
I am glad that things worked out for you and that you found a "set it and forget it" piece.
George
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Good update David. I loved the Powercell while it was here for demo, and it was not quite the SE.
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David,
Nice review, and better still that the site is sill alive and kicking!
Have you had active power conditioners in your past? I've been using the PS Audio Powerplant Premier to a pretty nice result. But due to the fact the fact that it regenerates AC (AC to DC to AC), I've wondered about restrictions in dynamics. It seems somehow that the filtering approach might allow current/power flow more freely. Don't know for sure, but just curious how what the Powercell compares to a regenerator approach.
Jim
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The first thing I noticed upon placing the Powercell into my system was the increased soundstage; sounds seem like they are coming from outside of the speakers. This has increased slightly over the last few weeks. I am not exactly sure what this can be attributed to? but my guess is true unrestricted dynamics. It is truly a holographic sound and must be heard to be understood. Due to this both micro and macro details and improved over my previous conditioners. There is a particular Medeski, Martin, and Wood track that I love to use as a demo for a variety of reason. There are some very faint backround sounds that I used to strain to hear but could tell they were there. With the Powercell in place these details were clearly heard yet maintained a very natural sound. Sometimes when auditioning various cords I have heard these details as well but along with that came a very forward and fatiguing sound, this is not the case at all with the Powercell. This track just exemplifies how the Powercell helps to add continuity to my system and sort out complex pieces of music. I almost feel as if the sound was a bit disjointed previously, now that I have heard it with the Powercell.
Now my first thoughts were couldn't this holographic attribute actually be looked upon as adding something? At least I can see some purists looking at it as such. For me personally tho, this is the 1 feature that I crave for in my system, to get torn away from that front row seat and be totally immersed in a room of sound w/o speakers. This SR Powercell could actually be the conditioner that I'd give up my BPT for, that is if i could afford one. aa I'm glad you found your power conditioning nirvana Dave and thanks for taking the time to share your experiences. :thumb:
Cheers,
Robin
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I had P300 Multiwaves for many years (PS Audio regenerators) before going passive (Audience Adept Response AR12, Powercell) and the passives won hands down for me. Active induced too much grain and hash in my system. The background/noisefloor dropped to black when I went passive, and the soundstage opened up (probably a by-product of the noise floor).
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Thanks for taking the time to write your experience with Powercell David.
I have questions related to how you used it - did you use it for your amp or not?
The reason I ask is many conditioners, including my Richard Gray, do not recommend using them to supply amps due to current limiting issues. My understanding is the Powercell is not current limiting and can be used in this manner.
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David,
Nice review, and better still that the site is sill alive and kicking!
Have you had active power conditioners in your past? I've been using the PS Audio Powerplant Premier to a pretty nice result. But due to the fact the fact that it regenerates AC (AC to DC to AC), I've wondered about restrictions in dynamics. It seems somehow that the filtering approach might allow current/power flow more freely. Don't know for sure, but just curious how what the Powercell compares to a regenerator approach.
Jim
Jim, I have not had the Power Plant but I did have the APC S-15 which is also sine wave based. I did not have good results with that piece in my system. It was extremely restrictive and felt like there was a choke hold placed on my system. Obviously YMMV
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Thanks for taking the time to write your experience with Powercell David.
I have questions related to how you used it - did you use it for your amp or not?
The reason I ask is many conditioners, including my Richard Gray, do not recommend using them to supply amps due to current limiting issues. My understanding is the Powercell is not current limiting and can be used in this manner.
Phil, I have not played too much yet with my amp plugged into the Powercell versus my amp plugged directly into the wall. What I can tell you though is that I replaced one of my Pass & Seymour outlets with the Teslaplex that Synergistic provides for your wall when you purchase the Powercell, and there was a nice improvement there. I noticed a quieter backround and deeper bass extension by plugging my amp into the Teslaplex.
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Nicely written David.
I am glad that things worked out for you and that you found a "set it and forget it" piece.
George
Thanks George :thumb: I hope it works out for you to hear one.
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First a comment on rydenfan's observation of increased holography and his loudspeakers disappearing better. How well your loudspeakers disappear and how wide,deep and holographic your sound-stage is are basic bench marks of stereo system performance. The speakers ability to disappear is a primary function of the driver design and secondarily the crossover design.
When both are done properly the speaker will disappear when a only single speaker is played. It will appear to be like a region of space with sound emanating from it. When the speaker is doing it's job properly it's performance is now dependent on the source signal reaching it intact for the accurate reproduction of spacial information to occur.
David's experience with the Powercell is due to it's reduction of intermodulation distortion resulting noise from the AC line making it's way into circuitry with signal in it.
By reducing the noise and the resulting loss of information his results are right in line with the goals of a purist approach to High Fidelity reproduction the of the signal.
In essence he hasn't added anything to the original signal he has only lost less of what he originally started with. The Powercell sounds like a very effective device with no negative impacts particularly in the field of dynamic range restriction. Thank you for the concise report on the Powercell, it is useful information.
Scotty
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Thanks for the comments, Scotty :thumb: I found them most interesting
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Just picked up a used Powercell 6 with T3 UHC power cord yesterday (the owner moved up to a 10 SE). This unit has less than 100 hours, so maybe not full broken in, but even after a few hours of listening, I have to agree with all the comments posted so far with respect to improved bass, holographic soundstage extending beyond speakers, more dynamic sound. Look forward to further listening.
I did get a bit nervous when I initially plugged the Powercell into the socket -- all the lights in the room went off for a second (I don't have a dedicated line), as if the Powercell was sucking up all the juice. But all was well and once everything was hooked up and warmed up I soon found myself lost in the music. :thumb:
I wonder what the improvement is between the standard models and the SE??
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I just picked up a PowerCell 10 SE (on loan from a local dealer) and will insert it into the system tomorrow to start playing around with it(tonight is already taken by the Battlestar Galactica Series Finale).
I will be comparing the PowerCell 10 SE to a Running Spring Audio Haley.
George
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George, Any impressions yet on the Powercell 10SE vs the Running Spring Haley??
Howard
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George, Any impressions yet on the Powercell 10SE vs the Running Spring Haley??
Howard
Howard,
Not yet.
Been very busy with work (end of quarter) and family.
George
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I'm getting pretty close to completing the same comparison (I use a Haley and a Duke) and should have something to share this weekend....
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I am not ready to post any lengthy comments yet, but the damn thing sounds pretty darn good!
Let's just say that I am not exactly rushing to put my RSA Haley back in.
George
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I'm interested in how it performs when a power amps plugged into the Powercell. If any of you guys feel inclined to try it I would be interested in the feedback.
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I'm interested in how it performs when a power amps plugged into the Powercell. If any of you guys feel inclined to try it I would be interested in the feedback.
Phil,
My Atma-Sphere MA-1's are both plugged into the PowerCell SE (they were also plugged into my RSA Haley).
George
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I have both my VAC Phi 300.'s in mine, along with pre , cdp and Duet
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Arthur/George
Thanks for the fast response, it will be interesting to get your updates on the Powercell.
Based on the reviews/feedback, so far, I've got a strong suspicion that one of these will be in my constellation soon :duh:
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I wonder what Art and George think of it :scratch: :wink:
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Below are some initial comments on the PowerCell 10 SE when compared to my Running Springs Audio Haley. I kept everything the same outside of the power cord used on the conditioners. With the Haley, I was using a Copper Kaplan Cable cord - with the PowerCell 10 SE, I am using the provided Tesla Precision AC power cord. This cord uses a 32 amp Powercon connector and comes standard with the unit.
Initial Comments:
* Quieter background
* Improved detail - greater separation of notes, music is faster
* Improved sense of depth and space - music is just hanging out there
* Improved bass - more texture and body to the pluck of a stand-up bass or thwack! when hitting a drum
* Music is punchier and more forceful, but in a non-aggressive way
* Slight removal of grain or grit on horns and brass (which I didn't even notice before)
* System sounds more effortless and powerful
Overall it has been a very positive experience so far. Please keep in mind that while the Haley is excellent and performs outside of its price range, there is a substantial price difference between the RSA Haley (~$1400) and the SR PowerCell 10 SE ($5000).
George
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Hate to resurrect this topic. But I am interested in the PowerCell 10 and it has been hard to find any long term listening comments.
Thanks
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Hello, RW; welcome to audiocircle.
I currently have the SR Powercell 10SE, for what is almost a year now. I think what Zybar posted above is a pretty accurate representation of what you can expect to hear when adding the Powercell into your system.
The Powercell has this ability to make your music sound more powerful and dynamic, while at the same time making it seemed more relaxed and natural.
When I added the Powercell to my system it painted the music more completely outside, in between, and above the speakers. Micro and Macro Dynamics were greatly improved, and inner detail was much better.
Instead of music uncontrollably lashing out at me, it instead leaped out at me with purpose and much more precision; with control.
It removed a lot of the grain I was hearing in my highs as well.
Overall it was probably one of the best investments I made in this hobby.
I would like to make the suggestion that you try as hard as you can to jump to the 10SE.
The price difference is only 1K, but the difference more then makes up for it.
First off the 10SE is an upgraded version of the 10, so it increases the improvements you get.
Second, the 10SE comes with the Precision AC power cable. It is the best powercable that SR offers for its power conditioners, and is 1800 dollars if bought separately. It increases the performance of both the standard 10 and 10SE.
So for 1K more, you are getting an 1800 dollar powercable and an improved powercell; its worth it at that point IMO.
Shop around, and you might be able to get the 10SE for closer to the 10's price.
I bought mine from thecableco, and was very happy with their service. They might even let you demo it in your system I believe.
Good luck!
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Thanks. I guess I'll have to contact the Cable Co. for an in-home audition.
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I bought a Powercell 4 two weeks ago and can confirm all of the comments made above. I bought it because my equipment is in two locations (I'll be getting another later). When I spoke to Ted(?) at Synergistic he was bubbling with enthusiasm over the new model. He said that they discontinued the 6 and 10 and modified the SE due to the 4.
My unit replaced a Shunyata Guardian 4. After initial break-in I am thoroughly enjoying the improvements in my system. I was a bit skeptical and worried (since there are no power surge features). fortunately, I have a whole house unit but am still not truly comfortable.
I recommend this unit. Increased detail, no background, all of the superlatives.
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I bought a Powercell 4 two weeks ago and can confirm all of the comments made above. I bought it because my equipment is in two locations (I'll be getting another later). When I spoke to Ted(?) at Synergistic he was bubbling with enthusiasm over the new model. He said that they discontinued the 6 and 10 and modified the SE due to the 4.
My unit replaced a Shunyata Guardian 4. After initial break-in I am thoroughly enjoying the improvements in my system. I was a bit skeptical and worried (since there are no power surge features). fortunately, I have a whole house unit but am still not truly comfortable.
I recommend this unit. Increased detail, no background, all of the superlatives.
Thanks for the comments. What ac power cord do you use with your Powercell 4?
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Thanks for the comments. What ac power cord do you use with your Powercell 4?
Right now I am using the stock power cord. I am going to get the T3 later this month. I don't know which version.
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I'm very much enjoying my Bybee wire purifier ver 2, it replaced/bettered a acoustive revive ultimate.
My ? is , has anyone compared the powercell to the bybee v/2?
Thx!