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Industry Circles => Omega Speaker Systems => Topic started by: JLM on 1 Mar 2015, 11:22 pm
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Interested in Super 3i with the RS5 driver.
Would travel to Michigan's lower peninsula, Chicago, or northern Indiana/Ohio.
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There is a pair of this exact model for sale in the classifieds right now at a good price; if they weren't to your liking, you could probably turn them over without a lot of trouble.
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"opnly bafld (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?action=profile;u=39595)" has a set for sale and he is in West Central Illinois if that's not too far from you?
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"opnly bafld (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?action=profile;u=39595)" has a set for sale and he is in West Central Illinois if that's not too far from you?
Already sold!
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North East Ohio? US Audio Mart RS5 drivers looking for local sale (http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649176564-omega-super-5-wrs5-driver-ne-ohio/).
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North East Ohio? US Audio Mart RS5 drivers looking for local sale (http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649176564-omega-super-5-wrs5-driver-ne-ohio/).
beowulf:
Yes, I saw those and they look very nice. I'm up to my ears in speakers right now or I'd probably grab them...
JLM:
Go for 'em.
Mike
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I'm the guy with the Super 5s in NE Ohio. I don't post here much, but I'm happy to try and answer any questions!
Thanks,
Eric
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Thanks guys, but I really just wanted to listen at this point.
You know, all this talk, professional reviews, and other ACers reviews but I haven't heard them in many moons.
BTW, what is the current lead time for factory fresh Super 3i?
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Hi JLM,
Lead time is about 3 weeks.
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So I got one lead on a sale of 3i (that went fast), one offer to listen to older model, and one offer to listen to Bipolar 3's.
Guess that means there is no way to audition Omega within 300 miles of where I live short of buying a pair and waiting for them to be made. :(
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We're in the same boat JLM. I've had an ad in the SF Bay Area forum for almost 4 months. The only offer was from happyrabbit in Oregon.
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Well, if you ever make it to San Diego I would be glad to host you for a few hours, but you have to like McIntosh Labs, Decware, Omega and most importantly Belching Beaver's Peanut Butter Milk Stout (http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/30923/97563/)! :lol:
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My 3i buyer lives in Chicago, I'm sure he would be willing to demo.
I'm taking them up in late April.
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Things are looking up, I just heard about a local pair of 3XRS for sale! :thumb:
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FlyinV- I live in the Santa Cruz mountains and should have my pair of 7XRS Mk2's early in April. I have a Decware Rachael and ZP3 phono stage.
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Well, if you ever make it to San Diego I would be glad to host you for a few hours, but you have to like McIntosh Labs, Decware, Omega and most importantly Belching Beaver's Peanut Butter Milk Stout (http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/30923/97563/)! :lol:
Mac, eh, Decware, ok, Omega, maybe, Peanut Butter Stout...Hell yeh! :thumb:
Thanks for the invite.
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hdrider, those 7s should sound great. I almost pulled the trigger on the stand mounted version a couple of times.
I'm now the new owner of a pre broken in pair of 3XRS . :D
Thanks.
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Question for Louis : Have you ever considered building one of each speaker in the line-up for demo purposes? Maybe they could be covered in a simple black vinyl or another durable finish, just for the sake of shipping and handling many times.
I think this could be VERY helpful for those looking to take the Omega plunge, but don't have a way to audition. I acquainted myself with Omega via the used market, which has its risks, but the risk was much smaller / easier to swallow than making (in my case) a $1200+ investment without prior experience.
Perhaps what could be done is the potential buyer pays for shipping one way for the demo pair. If they place an order, following the audition, they don't have to pay return shipping for the demos. This way, the potential buyer would need to be fairly serious about a purchase (since they're paying for shipping at least once).
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I'd like to second RDavidson's suggestion. Even if you only had a couple demo speakers......
As it is, I'm going to drive a couple hundred miles out of my way (during my British Columbia trip) just to pay Canada Rob a quick visit in May. It sure would be nice to be able to audition your speakers in my home (without committing to buy first).
Excellent suggestion, RD! :thumb:
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I agree, a tour solves many of the audition problems. But tours can become a real hassle.
Folks sign up to audition, then cancel or want to reschedule. Ideally the shipping would be set up to minimize mileage/cost/time, but the cancelations and delays happen. Shipping damage or product abuse also happens. Some folks just fall off the face of the earth, have a change of plans, personal emergencies, or just a change of heart. The product take longer to get from place to place than you'd think (for instance some can audition during the week or only on weekends, or their free time only comes up certain weeks/months). Don't forget about shipping cost (even using a single container, which would have to be reinforced to hold up to multiple packing/unpacking/trips). And the tour coordinator has no real control until/if the product comes back.
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What you say is true, but other (though notably larger) companies do this.
I think it is feasible, particularly when one considers risk vs reward. The biggest hurdle for Omega, by far, is getting people to experience their sound. If auditions translate to even just a few more sales, I would think that this audition program would pay for itself easily, assuming the audition model speakers don't get excessively damaged every time they get shipped out.
Keep in mind I'm talking about constructing speakers built specifically for auditions (ie to withstand some minor damage and handling). I would never suggest beautifully veneered speakers be passed around. Perhaps the shipping boxes can be extra reinforced just for the audition models?
Also note, there would be a level of commitment to the audition. The person wanting the audition would pay shipping at least one way (as I stated). This would largely negate the idea of audition abuse you suggest. We all know that once people are asked to pull out their wallets, they more carefully consider the reason behind doing so.
What I'm suggesting is not without risks or possible failure, which only Louis can assess and monitor. I think it is worth a try, but that's just my opinion as a consumer.
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I agree with Ryan, tours have been mostly smooth sailing for me. A pair of Super 3 monitors with Duratex coating would make for a nice tour I think... :)
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JLM makes some very good points. I spoke to Louis about it and he definitely is not going to do it. Since he has started business, he has incurred losses in the high 5 figures. How?
1) by sending a product out for review and not getting it back. In my time alone, about $8000 retail worth has gone out not to be returned.
2) having a person return product within 30 days with no restocking charge (really Louis' fault). Out new, in used.
3) sending product to dealers and never getting paid.
The guilty and dishonest ruin it for the innocent and sincere.
From now on there will be officially a 30 day trial period, with a 10% restocking fee on any returns (U.S. only, and not on CustomShop, OutLaw, one off finishes, or B stock). Any damage to the return will also be charged. This doesn't include Canadian sales which are handled differently.
Louis is working to re-stock the store.
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Yeah, believe it or not, we might not all be as trustworthy as we appear to be online. :oops: Too bad. :cry:
OTOH I just drove 130 miles last night to drop off a $3000 amp with the shipping boxes, extra tubes, and all the documentation to an audio club buddy I've only met twice prior so that he could do an extended in-home audition with no "security measures" taken. I greatly appreciate that our club is a friendly bunch that does quite a bit of this sort of thing, routinely loaning tubes and cables, or even giving extra accessories to each other. :thumb:
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All you have to do is go over to head-fi and read about the items
That " walked away" during Can Jam last weekend. If I was a small shop owner like Louis,
I'd be very hesitant.
Jusy sayin'
Hibuck...
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JLM makes some very good points. I spoke to Louis about it and he definitely is not going to do it. Since he has started business, he has incurred losses in the high 5 figures. How?
1) by sending a product out for review and not getting it back. In my time alone, about $8000 retail worth has gone out not to be returned.
2) having a person return product within 30 days with no restocking charge (really Louis' fault). Out new, in used.
3) sending product to dealers and never getting paid.
The guilty and dishonest ruin it for the innocent and sincere.
From now on there will be officially a 30 day trial period, with a 10% restocking fee on any returns (U.S. only, and not on CustomShop, OutLaw, one off finishes, or B stock). Any damage to the return will also be charged. This doesn't include Canadian sales which are handled differently.
Louis is working to re-stock the store.
Thanks for the explanation, Rob. That's really unfortunate.
hibuck, I can easily see how things just walk out the door at CanJam, but we're talking speakers here ; Not exactly the types of things people can toss in a purse or jacket. I understand your point, though. Being a business owner, one wants to trust, but ultimately must protect themselves.
I like the 30 day trial, but the problem I see is that there still isn't a good way to audition, particularly in my case. I'm pretty positive I want Alnico Monitors. The only way for me to audition is to just order them blindly (deafly?). Would I still incur a 10% restocking fee if I return them, but decide I want Alnico XRS instead? It seems to me that maybe exceptions should be made in cases like this where a customer wants to move up the line (within the 30 day window). Perhaps part of the exception is that the customer must have a consultation with Louis or Rob, PRIOR to the initial purchase. Does this make sense?
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Canada Rob,
I understand Louis's concerns. I won't complain.
I'm going to be in your demonstration room in about 5 weeks (!!!). Do I recall correctly there's an Alnico Monitor in your collection?
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Ryan,
I've got an idea. PM coming.....
Michael
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In light of what Canadarob wrote earlier, we should have a name and shame policy
Such behavior is unacceptable and we should be aware of who is who.
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Canada Rob,
I understand Louis's concerns. I won't complain.
I'm going to be in your demonstration room in about 5 weeks (!!!). Do I recall correctly there's an Alnico Monitor in your collection?
Hi Michael,
They should be here. I have no plans for them going anywhere. One thing that won't likely be here when you arrive are the blossoms. The place is exploding now. May is still gorgeous though.
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Is there anyone in the Washington, DC Metro area that would be willing to let me listen to a pair? Any model would be fine. I would be glad to reciprocate in some way for any inconvenience.
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Hi Michael,
They should be here. I have no plans for them going anywhere. One thing that won't likely be here when you arrive are the blossoms. The place is exploding now. May is still gorgeous though.
Though the blossoms are beautiful, I can do without them as I suffer a bit from their pollen.
Ill see you in two weeks!
Michael
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Well, there may not be any folks in the thread right now that live in Alaska. I will, however, be glad to consider an audition for anyone traveling up here this summer. Currently have original Super 7 XRS with both alnico and ferrite drivers. But that is about to change for Super Alnico Monitors. With Lewis' custom touch that I will post about before long. :icon_twisted:
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I live in the Seattle area and would very much like to audition Super Alnico Monitors (or SAM's as they seem to be know as). I am seriously considering selling my Martin Logan hybrids and getting on the single driver band wagon
Michael
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Michael, My offer is still open if you make it up this way. It's only the next state over afterall! :lol:
Super Alnico Monitors are in the house. I love to show them off!
.........Peter
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It is really a shame that a solution to this problem can't be found - not just for Louis but for all direct manufacturers, many of whom have great products. I tried for a month to find someone in NYC with Omegas to no avail and ended up moving on despite the raves...30-day trials are a hassle for me as an apartment dweller with no doorman; Louis offered to ship them with a courier, but the round trip expense for shipping and the hassle of planning around my unpredictable work schedule just wasn't worth it. Swing and miss with two or three manufacturers and suddenly you're out several hundred dollars with nothing to show for it.
At RMAF in 2014 I spoke briefly about this problem with Clayton Shaw, who's in a similar boat with Spatial (which is another source of great sounding product sold directly) and suggested that the direct sellers pool funds to invest in several "listening commons" spaces – 2 or 3 acoustically treated sound rooms strategically placed in regional target markets where people could arrange to hear independently-made gear under proper conditions. As we can see from this thread, and by the success of events like DecFest, people appear to be willing to travel a reasonable distance to listen to gear – particularly if they can hear a "shootout" among several competing products. It would be instructive for manufacturers to see what they're up against and a much better experience for folks on both sides than the cattle calls the audio shows have become...
Start with a pilot program in the NE – NYC, Boston, or DC, for example – and build from there. Cooperative ownership (shares in the space) could offset construction costs and rent...I've not worked out the economics, but I'd bet it would be feasible if you got 10-12 businesses interested...
Clayton loved the idea, but nothing ever came of it...to me it seems like a no brainer, at least on the surface.
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Thanks Peter. The last time I was in Alaska I was passing through Anchorage on my way to Adak to do a year of service in Uncle Sam's bathtub flotilla (U.S. Navy). That was in 1966. Thank you very much for the offer. Would like to hear your amp and pre too. Although I don't see a trip north in my near future. Thanks again.
Michael
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All you have to do is go over to head-fi and read about the items
That " walked away" during Can Jam last weekend. If I was a small shop owner like Louis,
I'd be very hesitant.
Jusy sayin'
Hibuck...
I wouldn't, because I'd accept that they'll likely get really beat up anyway. It's not because anyone is doing anything wrong, it just happens with a ton of handling. So I'd just send out a pair I could afford to lose, and if they're in decent shape at the end maybe someone will buy them for a discount.
As far as being stolen, well, it's not real frequent on this forum but perhaps refrain from demoing to people that aren't active.