You people need to try OB servo subs with your planars. Trust me, you will thank me later! :thumb: :lol:
No space or money for OB subs. It was a stretch just to accommodate the LRS in my living room.
I’ve heard the GR Research OB subs (paired with Super Minis), and yes, they sound great. That said, pairing Maggies with a good sealed sub isn’t exactly slumming it. ;)
The GR subs definitely offer lots of performance for the buck. :thumb: They certainly can be used as stands for bookshelf/monitor speakers. That’s how the Super Minis I heard were set up. It might be a challenge putting Maggies on top of them though. :lol:
No space or money for OB subs. It was a stretch just to accommodate the LRS in my living room.,
I’ve heard the GR Research OB subs (paired with Super Minis), and yes, they sound great. That said, pairing Maggies with a good sealed sub isn’t exactly slumming it. ;)
Hsu ULS15 (one or duals).
Sometimes I wonder if I needed subs for my my 1.7s or if I needed subs to treat my room problems. I use a pair of Elac S12EQs with the auto EQ feature. After positioning them asymmetrically in the listening space, getting the delay and shift corrected everything came together nicely. I am not an audio technician, still learning every day but remarkably the mids and treble cleaned up, image space became wider and deeper with much better definition all around. Adding multiple large bass traps and some absorption areas did not hurt a bit. I still scratch my head at how adding bass and adding bass traps helped everything else? I think it has something to do with reducing cancellations & smear. Attack or speed seemed to improve as well.
People, it's soooo much more than just adding boom to your system.
It makes the entire experience so much better. Properly integrated subs change everything.
You MUST add subs or you're missing parts of the music.
agreed - its like an entire soundscape that happens - didn't know what i was missing until i started using the svs 3000 sealed sub with the LRS's
I listen to Acoustical and Vocal driven music 90% of the time. As repremhsible as it may seem the MTV unplugged recordings are some of my favorite tracks to listen to. I’ve never had a dedicated 2 channel system, always AVR HT rigs . I’m going to buy some Maggie’s and will need to add subs. The subs may not do an a lot on most things I listen to, but the other 10% I must admit I occasionally listen to some classic and music from the 80’s & early 90’s. Most people say Maggie’s aren’t great for that, but honestly when I’m listening to AC/DC or Duran Duran ( don’t laugh, once in a blue moon I like to flashback to my high school days) I can handle it not being as great as they are with what I listen to the majority of the time. Nothing is perfect . Anyway...
The subs, I’m committed to running dual subs , but I read where with Maggie’s you need fast bass and not all subs are up to the task. My question is this, do I need to get servo subs like Rythmik, or Subs from REL or would some of the sealed SVS new subs work well? SVS is the most affordable , two of the SB 2000 pro , REL the most expensive, Rythmik in the middle. What do you use, those of you who run subs ? Just would like the opinion of some real people and not the ‘audiophile’ reviewers who listen critically and hear things I don’t think at 50 and been to too many concerts am even capable of hearing now. I’d like to do this right though . I’ve even considered the bass panels & subs... i would value any thoughts or opinions. The Maggie’s will be the .7i ‘s
I'm not an expert on this, but I do know that what sub you need will likely change, depending on which model Maggies you decide to go with. For example, I just recently came across longtime Maggie owner who bought new 1.7i's, and said they worked beautifully with two REL t5i subs, which are only $599.00 each. As far as SVS subs, I've used them in home theaters and they are high value and performance in that application, but not ideal for two channel. To be entirely fair, I must admit that I have not had any experience with their new, highly touted SB-3000, though.
There's a guy on Audiogon who ditched his subs after he mounted his 1.7i on Mye Stands. He wrote...
before I mounted my 1.7i speakers on MyeStands, I did use a subwoofer. But it was a pain. The setup of the sub to work just right with the Maggies is difficult. But then I mounted the 1.7i pair on MyeStands. The difference is not subtle. Bass is tighter and deeper. Overall definition and focus of the speakers across the range is better... I took the subs off my system and I am now selling them. They just aren’t needed. There is plenty of good bass now.
YMMV
As for myself, I am going to place an order for these stands ...assuming they are still available with respect to the C-19 shut down. If that works for me, great. If not, I'm inclined to go either with the Audio Kinesis Swarm or a Rythmik servo sub.
There all kinds of rooms, and all kinds of ears and all kinds of opinions! I cannot speak to either the LRS or the 1.7’s, but I did own a set of the 1.6’s with Mye stands.
I really liked them. Best sound I’ve owned.
But I needed a sub. And I found that worked very very well.
Miss them!
I’m not suggesting for one minute that the LRS doesn’t benefit from a sub, but the comments I was referencing were in conjunction with the 1.7i. I can’t say for sure that I would be happy without a sub in that arrangement, but it does speak to the profound impact the stands had on the bass. :thumb:
Any speaker will benefit from a sub! :lol:
Play The Who's "Boris The Spider" without a sub and then add a sub to the mix.
This has been my experience. :thumb:Yep! Even with speakers that have good bass, subs make it all better!
Play The Who's "Boris The Spider" without a sub and then add a sub to the mix.
I had just listened to that the other night when the wife was out (at really high volume).
How do they put it, the combination of 3.7s and SVS subwoofer pressurized the room?
It was a welcome change of pace from her working at home where I hear, "Alexa, play Helen Reddy..."
Dear Lord, take me now...
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Play The Who's "Boris The Spider" without a sub and then add a sub to the mix.
Time to feed Jenny a whole handful of over ripe berries and fight back!
Bombs away!!!
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So for two days I have been trying to get these little dual 8 subs to blend with the Magnepan LRS's. I finally gave up. It took all the musicality of the Maggie's away. It just smeared the sound and never sounded right. Made me realize that I really like the way the Maggie's sound all by themselves. I might try it again later but for now it's the Maggie's sans sub.I’m getting a pair of LRS’s tomorrow. So no way to blend the subs??Maybe try just one sub. I’ll be trying the Rel with mine...fingers crossed 🤞
I keep hearing what a MAJOR difference the MYEStands make. I have no doubt that they tighten everything up and improve the sound quality and bass. But Maggie's need help with bass. Period. There are no magical stands that are going to help that much with bass. Still laws of audio science that apply and the 1.7i's only go down to 40hz. My LRS's go down to 50hz. And they need SERIOUS help! There is no weight or dynamic punch to the music. I have certain songs that I like to play just to test out the kick and dynamics of bass on speakers and subs, and they are totally lacking on those tracks.
With that said, the bass that they do produce is like no box speaker I have ever heard. Very musical, articulate, every song sounds different in the bass department. It's amazing bass. Probably some of the best bass I have heard out of a speaker. And that is probably the reason why it is so hard to integrate subwoofers with the Maggie's. At least doing it right and seamless. I have high hopes for those 8's though. Hemp cone, a light cone that can move very fast. I am assuming it will be a perfect match. Will see soon.
I have the 20.1 Maggies in a big room. The Mye stands WERE a big improvement; glad I got them.
Looking at the Stereophile frequency response graph of the LRS I can see how sub integration could be problematic.
(https://www.stereophile.com/images/719MLRSfig2.jpg)
That can’t be right. I haven’t heard the LRS, but I can’t imagine anyone liking them or any loudspeaker that measures like that.
I've had a couple of subs - a Velodyne and currently an SVS model. Both manufacturers recommended a corner placement, but both subs, in different rooms, produced a boomy, mode-inducing sound that made me want to vomit. YMMV, but for me corner placement has been the worst possible placement. I've had much better luck placing the sub midway along a side wall - that just seems to produce a smoother response that I can control.
Many people and manufacturers suggest one thing , one placement or another.. due to the testing environment they use at there place of business.
But, the problem with that, is that every home environment is different.. humidity, room dimensions, furniture, open/closed windows, tight/leaky rooms, even the barometric pressure. etc, etc..
The tester, or manufacturer has no idea, really.. but, he's got to suggest something that makes since and convinces the buyer he has done his research and is legitimate..
Which he is, in only one way.. and that is in his own shop/ manufacturing facility.. :D
All this is so VERY true! I was so frustrated with the sub in this room, I took it downstairs and hooked it up to my living room system and Marantz AVR, it sounds GREAT down there! Not boomy or sloppy at all. Well controlled and blended well with my Canton 702's.
Maybe this room just doesn't like subs. I did pull the sub out and placed it between the Maggie's,sounded a lot better but I don't want a sub out in the middle of my room.
OB sub then call it a day. Although if can use the Swarm system a tough call. Can we Swarm OB :thumb:
charles
So for two days I have been trying to get these little dual 8 subs to blend with the Magnepan LRS's. I finally gave up. It took all the musicality of the Maggie's away. It just smeared the sound and never sounded right. Made me realize that I really like the way the Maggie's sound all by themselves. I might try it again later but for now it's the Maggie's sans sub.
Has anyone heard of LDW (Little Dipole Woofer Model 1). They look very intresting.
I have LRS speakers and I’ve been thinking of pairing them with a sub. THe LDWs are made with the LRS in mind.
I am also considering two REL 5i.
I am very concerned. I don’t want to mess up that beautiful Maggie sound. I have tried a Klipsch SUB 10. It was boomy. Just awful.
I sure would love another octave lower!
Monty
Hi, Monty. Carlo Lo Rosa of The Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity webzine is reviewing the LDW Model 1 with the LRS and Magna Risers Airborne stands this month. Look for his review in the coming months.
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=172622.0 (https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=172622.0)
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