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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Planar Circle => Topic started by: josh358 on 7 Oct 2017, 02:44 am
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Magnepan announced it today on their Facebook group. According to Eric Noorgarden, "There will be a new planar speaker in town, very soon. It's called the Magnepan 30.7 and it will be available in early 2018. For now, here's a photo. An official description along with accompanying reviews will take place later this month and throughout the remainder of 2017. Think of the 30.7 as a mix of the 20.7 and the Tympani series. A bit like a Tympani "unhinged." The massive bass panel is the same size as the entire 20.7 panel. The tweeter and midrange are on the smaller panel. More details, including pricing and specifications are forthcoming. I have heard the 30.7 and am very excited! I hope you will be, too!!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=169452)
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:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
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WOW!
Where's that bigger house when I need it?
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Just wondering, are those the traditional feet-brackets on carpet ??? Really ???
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WOW!
Where's that bigger house when I need it?
Just buy them and send them to me. I’ll store them until your ready - no charge :green:
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Just wondering, are those the traditional feet-brackets on carpet ??? Really ???
Heh, noticed that too. This pair is the prototype, so that may not be what they'll ship with.
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WOW!
Where's that bigger house when I need it?
Really. There's going to be an uptick in the real estate market!
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They look nice probably sound wonderful however not for my room. Just to dam big.
charles
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They look nice probably sound wonderful however not for my room. Just to dam big.
charles
You'll have to wait for the desktop version. :-)
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Anybody know what the dimensions of that room are?
I'm guessing 22' wide with that inviting looking Spanish Inquisition chair 20' back, 8' ceiling.
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Dunno, and it's always hard to tell from a photo. All I know is that it was taken at a press preview, which explains the hotel-issue chair!
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Hope they didn't steal the towels.
Those monster panels give me an idea.
Time to bug Wendell for a bit.
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It's always time to bug Wendell. :-)
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I am feeling certain I can fit those in my 11' 6" wide living room...
And I almost bought a pair of 20.7..
I can wait and see what these babies cost.
My guess is $22,000.
Maybe $23,000.
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30-day no-risk trial? :icon_twisted:
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I am feeling certain I can fit those in my 11' 6" wide living room...
And I almost bought a pair of 20.7..
I can wait and see what these babies cost.
My guess is $22,000.
Maybe $23,000.
Should be doable, HP had the IRS/T-1D in his room:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72150)
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Man, he was listening right up against the rear wall, too, like me! Now I don't feel so bad about having to do that. :-)
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I am feeling certain I can fit those in my 11' 6" wide living room...
And I almost bought a pair of 20.7..
I can wait and see what these babies cost.
My guess is $22,000.
Maybe $23,000.
Definite squeeze, but I have a pair of Tympani IVA's in a room that's 14' 6" wide, more like 13' 6" because they have to clear the fireplace, so I'm guessing you could make it work. The separate mid-tweet panel is the key, since they can go in front of the woofers. But don't be surprised if you have to EQ the midbass down some!
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The other upside is folks who bought 20.7 may upgrade..
So some USED 20.7 should be coming on the market..
SWEET....
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Now all we need is a mini version using the .7 as template!!
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http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/magnepan-307-loudspeaker-part-one/
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Spectacular review!
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So the price is $30,000 ish.
wow.
However, the vague comments about a new quasi ribbon midrange?
May mean a whole new level of magic...
I definitely do not have $30,000 laying around.
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Damn, I was hoping you did, and would send it to me. :-)
That midrange certainly got a rave, didn't it . . . I may not be able to afford these, but I'd love to give them a listen.
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I just checked in the sofa and no dice.
Did find a half eaten oreo cookie so all is not lost.
To console myself, I stuck the original value coupling caps into the deHavilland Ultraverve preamp and got considerably more bass out of the 3.7s. I put in lower value caps when I was struggling with 20.7s and their bass output and got too lazy to put the original ones back in.
Shame the wife is sleeping, I'd really like to crank the volume and get a real appreciation for the change.
I can tell I need to back off the subwoofer a bit, though.
Wonder if you can buy a section of these new 30.7s?
This might be the start of a whole new line of things from them, you can never tell with these guys.
Just when you think they all retired they launch something like these Lottery Speakers.
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Might be time to up the life insurance on SWMBO... :peek:
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Can you insure Jenny?
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At someone's request I asked Wendell whether mid-tweets or bass panels would be available separately and he said no, there were a number of impediments to that. But hey, you could always buy the tweeter! And then build the rest out of Legos or something.
Damn, my IVA's are looking old . . .
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Can you insure Jenny?
Shit, I'd kill her for a Klondike Bar! :banghead:
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http://www.theaudiobeat.com/visits/magnepan_30_7.htm
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Good find!
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Now we know where to demo them:
https://www.cnet.com/news/redefining-the-state-of-the-art-with-magnepans-wall-of-sound-speakers/
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Imagine how much better they would sound if they had actually made some nice baffles and feet for them instead of the usual "flag waving in the air" baffles they have constantly made. OH MY GOD......you would be mind blown. Look at those stupid feet!!!!! Ha ha ha....what a joke! Check out this thread where a guy made some nice aluminum baffles for the 20.1:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=100547.0
What if you made something even better for these new speakers?......thicker aluminum going all the way to the top.....and then you braced them to the ceiling!!!!!!......you would have bass so dynamic and clear it would be like having a giant Wilson speaker on the bottom end but even cleaner sound everywhere.
I just don't understand Magnepan. This is so clearly compromised. Heck, raise the price twenty or thirty thousand and give us something out of this world! If I bought these speakers I would immediately have custom wild stands made for all the panels and brace them to the ceiling. Of course, you would want no grill cloth or fuses and all the xover parts and wiring and terminals would be upgraded to the worlds most transparent parts. We are now talking State of the Art!!!!!!
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Wendell tells me that the reason they used the old feet is that the new oval bases didn't look good on the 30.7. I asked whether the could use a weighted base behind the speaker, and he said that they're very heavy and as a result the base would have to be extremely heavy as well.
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Wendell tells me that the reason they used the old feet is that the new oval bases didn't look good on the 30.7. I asked whether the could use a weighted base behind the speaker, and he said that they're very heavy and as a result the base would have to be extremely heavy as well.
Yes, we don't want them too heavy......because then you could not have your wife move them while your in the sweet spot. HA HA HA. I want 250lb. plus bass panels and massive feet! I want BASS.....fast, tight, punchy. You are never going to get that kind of bass from "flapping in the wind" frames and feet.
The Wilson Alexia weighs 256lbs. !!!!!!!
The Alexx is 452lbs. !!!!! Fremer says the best bass yet from Wilson
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What forces are at work here that would cause these to exhibit "flag waving in the air" motion???
The 30.7's are a completely symmetrical motor structure, yes???
If we could magically transport these to the micro-gravity environment of the International Space Station do you think they would start flying all over the place when playing music???
Dave.
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Yes, we don't want them too heavy......because then you could not have your wife move them while your in the sweet spot. HA HA HA. I want 250lb. plus bass panels and massive feet! I want BASS.....fast, tight, punchy. You are never going to get that kind of bass from "flapping in the wind" frames and feet.
The Wilson Alexia weighs 256lbs. !!!!!!!
The Alexx is 452lbs. !!!!! Fremer says the best bass yet from Wilson
Your comparing 'Apples to Turnips' !
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What forces are at work here that would cause these to exhibit "flag waving in the air" motion???
The 30.7's are a completely symmetrical motor structure, yes???
If we could magically transport these to the micro-gravity environment of the International Space Station do you think they would start flying all over the place when playing music???
Dave.
My words are expressive, perhaps a slight...he he..... exaggeration. Maybe your not clever enough to see the truth? It is a common known FACT that the Magneplanars have never had good frames and feet.....not to mention other not so good construction and parts. Please peruse years worth of stuff about Maggies here: https://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/etv.mpl?forum=mug And check out the MUG buttons at the top....lots of info.
Then there is Magnestand, etc.....please read up. You cannot have a tall thin bass planar supported by nothing other than some MDF and veneer and sitting on poor feet and expect clarity and power in the bass. It is just not possible.
Please read the afore mentioned thread on the guy making his own frames for the 20.1......the 30.7 would benefit just as much. He said the heavy solid aluminum stands transformed the speaker....especially below 500hz.
My friend modded the old Acoustats......I listened to his system often. When he braced his 1+1s to the ceiling its as if you changed the funky flabby planar bass to a bunch of 6.5 inch super woofers......it kicked ass.....hit you in the chest.
I am sorry to say that probably no one will ever mod a 30.7 or make better stands or feet. I mean, how many people are going to pay $29,000 and then tear them all apart and mod the crap out of them? This is why the Maggies that get modded are the less expensive ones. Its really too bad. No one will ever hear how incredible they could sound if done right. I hope someone.....someday, does mod them and reports. However, I will not hold my breath.
I have nothing more to say about all this. I am a person who likes to share "more of what is possible". There is always more to learn. We are all bozo's on the bus!
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My words are expressive, perhaps a slight...he he..... exaggeration. Maybe your not clever enough to see the truth? It is a common known FACT that the Magneplanars have never had good frames and feet.....not to mention other not so good construction and parts. Please peruse years worth of stuff about Maggies here: https://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/etv.mpl?forum=mug And check out the MUG buttons at the top....lots of info.
Then there is Magnestand, etc.....please read up. You cannot have a tall thin bass planar supported by nothing other than some MDF and veneer and sitting on poor feet and expect clarity and power in the bass. It is just not possible.
Please read the afore mentioned thread on the guy making his own frames for the 20.1......the 30.7 would benefit just as much. He said the heavy solid aluminum stands transformed the speaker....especially below 500hz.
My friend modded the old Acoustats......I listened to his system often. When he braced his 1+1s to the ceiling its as if you changed the funky flabby planar bass to a bunch of 6.5 inch super woofers......it kicked ass.....hit you in the chest.
I am sorry to say that probably no one will ever mod a 30.7 or make better stands or feet. I mean, how many people are going to pay $29,000 and then tear them all apart and mod the crap out of them? This is why the Maggies that get modded are the less expensive ones. Its really too bad. No one will ever hear how incredible they could sound if done right. I hope someone.....someday, does mod them and reports. However, I will not hold my breath.
I hear you as I just read this article on Quad support> http://www.eslinspiration.com/
This is the same concept I use in my DML panel designs where I use built in support stands that are sturdy.
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Ric,
I don't see an answer(s) in there to any of my questions.
You do understand the difference between frames and stands, yes?
I should read The Planar Asylum and about the exploits of "Peter Gunn"??? You must be new. :)
BTW, opinions from folks who have commercial interests, I greatly minimize.
Dave.
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I think you'd want to actually hear them before deciding the bass wasn't up to par.
Speaking from personal experience, the 20.7s had way too much bass for my house. I didn't think they would but they certainly did.
The 30.7s will have even more.
This reminds me of a customer who was complaining that the bike I sold him didn't make enough power and when he left the dealership he dumped the clutch, he lost control as it popped a wheelie and it dragged him half way across the parking lot before he let go!
He looked rather sheepish when he came back in the building all banged up.
I did not rub it in about the bike not making enough power, I just told him sorry and we'd order in the replacement parts for him to repair his bike. He had to call for a ride home, he did too much damage to ride it away.
I plan on giving the 30.7s a listen sooner or later but I know they would require a much larger house than mine to work. The bass would be overwhelming.
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I think you'd want to actually hear them before deciding the bass wasn't up to par.
Speaking from personal experience, the 20.7s had way too much bass for my house. I didn't think they would but they certainly did.
The 30.7s will have even more.
I plan on giving the 30.7s a listen sooner or later but I know they would require a much larger house than mine to work. The bass would be overwhelming.
I have the space. Bring 'em here and listen all you want!
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I think you'd want to actually hear them before deciding the bass wasn't up to par.
Speaking from personal experience, the 20.7s had way too much bass for my house. I didn't think they would but they certainly did.
The 30.7s will have even more.
This reminds me of a customer who was complaining that the bike I sold him didn't make enough power and when he left the dealership he dumped the clutch, he lost control as it popped a wheelie and it dragged him half way across the parking lot before he let go!
He looked rather sheepish when he came back in the building all banged up.
I did not rub it in about the bike not making enough power, I just told him sorry and we'd order in the replacement parts for him to repair his bike. He had to call for a ride home, he did too much damage to ride it away.
I plan on giving the 30.7s a listen sooner or later but I know they would require a much larger house than mine to work. The bass would be overwhelming.
Its not about the amount of bass but the quality of the bass. Valin, who has heard most everything, says the bass is really great....but here is the quote that tells all: "Although I can already tell that I will have some caveats about these Maggies vis-à-vis the finest dynamic speakers (particularly on rock and electronic music), trust me when I tell you that, from top to bottom, they are the very epitome of an “absolute sound” transducer". The bass is really good....but it just does not punch like them big boxes. This "defect" is not inherent in panels.....it is because the panels are not braced and solid enough to make that kind of "tight visceral Whack" that we all know live rock/electronic/percussion music can give. If you have enough pure power and you solidified the speakers you could play 110db rock music that would blow your mind (removing the fuses, of course)
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I agree with Ric.....its not about more bass but better quality, tighter more accurate bass...even other qualities are enhanced like more dynamics, better detail and accuracy in all the frequencies including the mids and highs.
I have found this to be true in my own experiments building DML panel speakers....some people prefer there DML panels to be free floating meaning there is no real frame/brace/stand support but IMO these panel lack the accurate bass, dynamics and detail when compared to a DML panel with a frame/brace/stand support.
Even in that ESL article I posted it says basically the same concept of enhancing the sound making all the frequencies sound better by utilizing better bracing and support.
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You may not know it but you're preaching to the choir with the braces bit.
I have argued in favor of them but not my company, not my call and for me, it's academic, as I'll never own them unless the lottery finally does the right thing and coughs up that winning ticket.
I'm sure Mye stands will offer a package for the 30.7s sooner or later.
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We are all bozo's on the bus!
I'm hip like a zip... Let's take a trip!
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TAS Part 2:
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/magnepan-307-loudspeaker-part-2/
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""it is because the panels are not braced and solid enough to make that kind of "tight visceral Whack" that we all know live rock/electronic/percussion music can give""
Remember that is 'live AMPLIFIED music.
The operative factor is amplified.
The only place I have had a gut massage fro unamplified music is a big church organ...
So IMO the Magnepan are REAL music. Where the typical possible gut massage bass of some speakers is an artificial artifact.
One some folks crave... true. but still a fake reality.
(Clearly I have no use for gut massage bass. And find one of the greatest blessings of the Magnepan IS the fact they do not boom through the walls annoying the hell out of my neighbors!
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(though a couple friends mentioned they missed some slam of, say, Magicos).
Quote above from latest comments on 30.7. This would not be the case if the panels were better braced. This is not about phoney gut wrenching bass.....just bass done right. The only way to know what I am talking about is to properly deaden and brace a panel speaker and listen.....then you will understand.
A quote from the second guy who did the aluminum stands for his 20.1s:
"Regarding the sound of Magnepan 20.1 with your great stands, I can report the following:
The bass has been greatly improved. The swelling in the bass range is totally gone. One has the impression that the bass is now reproduced deeper, faster and more precise. The thickening and superimposing which was hearable from bass into the middle area has now disappeared. The resonances which were strongly felt on the wooden frame(you could feel them by touching the frame), as I feel it are now gone by at least 80%. The musical performance is now much more authentic, so you can compare it perhaps with a photo.
Previously, it was blurry, shaky, now everything is exposed sharper.
I am convinced that the 20.1 with your stands, the music dissolves better than the new 20.7.
Perhaps this says the most about the quality of the stand.
I had previously consider to sell my Magnepan 20.1 , because I was not totaly satisfied with the sound.
Now with your stands this idea is totally gone, now it is a real pleasure to listen to music.
I'm excited.
Michael. "
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They sound like 20.7s but taken to the next level.
So, who's going to buy a set and give us a review?
You could even do a follow up when stands are installed instead of those wimpy feet.
Take some measurements to one up the glossy magazines who toss around terms like "palpable" instead.
I would but too poor and the house is too small.
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30-day no-risk trial? :icon_twisted:
:lol:
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Only if they'll fit in your mailbox.
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Only if they'll fit in your mailbox.
Hell, I'd build one big enough!!
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Id love to hear a movie on those things...the 3.6s are amazing enough with movies, those monster panels would probably make one damn near giddy
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Id love to hear a movie on those things...the 3.6s are amazing enough with movies, those monster panels would probably make one damn near giddy
My old Tympani 1D's were the best theater speakers I've ever heard. I was working in motion picture audio post production when I got them, and with VHS hi fi, the sound I heard at home was better than the sound I heard in the mix room.