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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: James Tanner on 6 Mar 2024, 11:47 pm
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=262086)
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Looks promising. Do you have an idea when the détails gonna be available?
Actual pictures of the inside at this time?
Cheers
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I'm sure it's superb, although for the first time ever, I don't love the styling. FWIW.
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…does it has digital inputs??
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Hi Alex - no digital - this is an analog integrated. We could add a DAC module in the future.
james
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Pretty chubby. I think something slimmer would be better.
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Looks fine to me.
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Pretty chubby. I think something slimmer would be better.
It's the same size as the 3B Cubed amp, which is fairly compact.
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Price in the EU?
Cheers - Antun
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Folks - thoughts on the Black?
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=262139)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=262140)
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I like the all black or the all silver face. I think the single color looks cleaner.
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Folks - thoughts on the Black?
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=262139)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=262140)
I'm strictly a gunmetal grey man now. Definitely prefer the volume/buttons the same color as the faceplate. The 2 tone doesn't do it for me, but could be a cool option for some.
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=262152)
Black on Black looks stunning
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black on black would be my pref ... looks great!
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Given the size I feel like the recessed areas forming the letters Bryston should be filled with a contrasting color, perhaps silver, or white to match the lettering of the controls. If the width of color isn't too wide it wouldn't be "shouty".
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Folks - thoughts on the Black?
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=262139)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=262140)
Looks a bit better.... but the Bryston Logo is really not visible. just a thought use the same color on the volume control and buttons for Bryston logo.
Maybe Champagne or White might be a better option for the BI-200
Anthony
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Mr.Tanner, I have noticed, that rear panel lacks switches:
-GAIN 29dB/23dB.
-INPUTS Balanced/Single Ended.
They not needed anymore?
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18dB for the pre-amp and 17dB for the amp.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=262165)
james
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I also think the dial and buttons would be best in a matching color, like other Bryston equipment.
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I think the buttons look okay in the silver but the volume knob I think looks better black.
Be neat to see a rendering of that.
Nice new addition!
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This one looks cleaner and more "Bryston" to me.
if only the screen could be ditched.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=262172)
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There we go.
Less chonky and without buttons scattered randomly
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=262174)
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The price in the EU please?
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There we go.
Less chonky and without buttons scattered randomly
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Good job Mr.Riverdalium, but if you could only move "BI200 INTERGRATED" and place it under the BRYSTON logo, Black on Black and we have a winner.I'm not a fan of that screen either, it's pointless, at least in my opinion.I remember, there was a tread a year ago, about this unit and some guys wanted a meters, that would be a letdown.
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Well like everything these days, it looks to be out of my price range. But I like the features.
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agree
be fair - I doing this in ppt instead of photoshop, so the cut and paste parts aren't smoothed out
and if I was doing it in photoshop I would absolutely change the name to B-200
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agree
be fair - I doing this in ppt instead of photoshop, so the cut and paste parts aren't smoothed out
and if I was doing it in photoshop I would absolutely change the name to B-200
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Now, that's perfect.I don't want to be exiled from the Bryston Family, but that very first design to me, looks like pressed car plate number.Again, this is my opinion and I love my Bryston gear to death!!!!!!!!!!!!!, we just having discussion, right?
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I don't disagree that the Balance buttons look better when aligned with the rest of the buttons. My guess is the designers are leveraging economies of scale from the BP-19 by using its circuit board.
I'm on the fence regarding the display. In this application it is mostly redundant, with the lone exception of providing visual indication of volume level since the volume knob itself does not. How useful such a feature is, is of course, personal preference (I quite like the reference lights on the BR-20). But the display may come back into play if an optional DAC board is offered. Finally, without the display there's a lot of blank space on that side of the unit, lending an un-balanced look to my eye.
There are also likely marketing considerations. Bryston needs to stay true to the niche it has carved out while also acknowledging what the target market demands, all within a certain development budget. If research suggests a display is needed at this price point then a display it shall have, especially since one is already right on the parts shelf.
Fun discussion, but likely moot at this point. I believe the 200 is fully baked, with only minor, low cost tweaks possibly being considered.
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It looks better with the display. One has to take into account the dimensions of that front panel – it is pretty large and without the display, there is virtually nothing on it, making the proposition even less appealing. It won’t win any industrial design awards either way, that’s for sure.
Someone here mentioned leveraging the economies of scale as a potential reasoning behind the button layout. Let me tell you, any ‘economy of scale’, in any sense, doesn’t apply to any of the products made by manufacturers as small as this. It should not and cannot be a justification for anything. If you want your product to look the part, you hire an industrial designer, that’s how it’s done, especially in the ‘luxury industries’ such as HIFI.
Now, I like the minimalist approach and I even appreciated it at the time when Bryston, compared to say Pass Labs, offered the same for less. Now, at least in the EU, Bryston is offering the same for more and that as sure as hell changes where I stand on this.
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This one looks cleaner and more "Bryston" to me.
if only the screen could be ditched.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=262172)
Why ditch the screen guys? Virtually every high end manufacturer includes a screen of some sort on their integrateds. Don't you want to see the volume level?
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I really want to be able to see the volume level from my listening chair. That means a larger, but tasteful display.
My tube equipment does not have a volume level display and that is the one thing I would change if I could.
For color I always choose black and monochromatic when possible. I mean chassis and face the same color.
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Someone here mentioned leveraging the economies of scale...
Pretty sure that was me. :D
You would agree, I'm certain, that re-designing the BP-19 board to move the Balance buttons would incur some cost and, instead of just one board for two different products, there are two that have to be tracked, ordered, stocked. The program that runs the machine that makes the holes in the face plate would need to be tweaked to move those two buttons. More cost. A large volume manufacturer can spread those costs out across a lot of units with a likely small impact to end user pricing, a small one doesn't have that scale.
Every change has a cost. The variables are how much and who's paying for it.
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Pretty sure that was me. :D
You would agree, I'm certain, that re-designing the BP-19 board to move the Balance buttons would incur some cost and, instead of just one board for two different products, there are two that have to be tracked, ordered, stocked. The program that runs the machine that makes the holes in the face plate would need to be tweaked to move those two buttons. More cost. A large volume manufacturer can spread those costs out across a lot of units with a likely small impact to end user pricing, a small one doesn't have that scale.
Every change has a cost. The variables are how much and who's paying for it.
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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Pretty sure that was me. :D
You would agree, I'm certain, that re-designing the BP-19 board to move the Balance buttons would incur some cost and, instead of just one board for two different products, there are two that have to be tracked, ordered, stocked. The program that runs the machine that makes the holes in the face plate would need to be tweaked to move those two buttons. More cost. A large volume manufacturer can spread those costs out across a lot of units with a likely small impact to end user pricing, a small one doesn't have that scale.
Every change has a cost. The variables are how much and who's paying for it.
Sure but the redesigned BP-19 would look better with its buttons aligned too, you end up with one board.
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I really want to be able to see the volume level from my listening chair. That means a larger, but tasteful display.
My tube equipment does not have a volume level display and that is the one thing I would change if I could.
For color I always choose black and monochromatic when possible. I mean chassis and face the same color.
The BR-20 has a super nice illuminated volume dial. More intuitive for visual display of volume
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Sure but the redesigned BP-19 would look better with its buttons aligned too, you end up with one board.
Yeah, but the (new) BP-19 is already shipping. So the board and front panel would need to be re-designed at a cost. Bryston would then need to maintain parts for the previous versions and the new version; still two boards. Then there's the cost of the marketing campaign to announce the new and improved BP-19 version.
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Sure but the redesigned BP-19 would look better with its buttons aligned too, you end up with one board.
BP-17³ was nicely designed, its buttons were aligned...
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Don't sweat the buttons.
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Don't sweat the buttons.
Oh, it's all your fault Mr.Tanner, your company makes such an amazing gear, we all wanna be part of it, LOL.
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There's also a thread about the Bi200 on Canuck audio mart. Maybe someone should answer questions and concerns there as well.
Or they can come here with their "concerns".
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Agreed, the thread isn’t positive
Talk of non response etc, that isn’t my experience with Bryston but seems to be theirs
Just trying to give a heads up because someone should care. Since CAM is way more known than audio circle, ignoring a large customer base might not be a good move. I'd like to see Bryston do well, but whatever, it's not my company.
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Hi Folks,
Yes we had some issues with repair parts through COVID and then moving production to our larger factory in Dwight slowed things down substantially.
We are back up and running again so things should improve substantially from here.
best
james
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Pretty sure that was me. :D
You would agree, I'm certain, that re-designing the BP-19 board to move the Balance buttons would incur some cost and, instead of just one board for two different products, there are two that have to be tracked, ordered, stocked. The program that runs the machine that makes the holes in the face plate would need to be tweaked to move those two buttons. More cost. A large volume manufacturer can spread those costs out across a lot of units with a likely small impact to end user pricing, a small one doesn't have that scale.
Every change has a cost. The variables are how much and who's paying for it.
Yes, but it doesn’t cost as much as you think. Redesigning the tracing on the PCB takes hardly any time at all and hardly any attention from an electronics engineer. A CAD operator can make the necessary changes in two hours and have the program derive the necessary data to be loaded into the machinery to produce a prototype board. The CNC machine work costs the same.
There was a time when manufacturers could make pretty much anything you wanted. When I bought the BDA-2 in 2012, Bryston was happy to make it a custom order with 4 RCA coaxial inputs instead of having 2 RCA and 2 BNC ones. That’s because the electronic designer in question put double traces on each of the inputs, allowing both connectors to be used.
This is what is expected from Bryston and companies like Bryston – the extra mile. Otherwise, you might as well buy a mainstream product. The “high-end” pedigree and breeding doesn’t just come from performance. It comes from the service the company is committed to providing to its customers. Cost comes second. There are very few companies still providing such service today, a lot fewer than people think, and it makes absolutely no difference how much money you spend. In some cases, the more you spend, the ruder they get.
So, while I would normally agree with your reasoning, it just doesn’t apply here.
Cheers – Antun
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The new faceplate options are very attractive. I would suggest no extra charge for the standard colours or just discard the incised borders that look ungainly to my eyes and go with the simpler design across the board.
I recall that General Motors in the sixties would design unattractive "standard" steering wheels and wheel covers so that people would pay extra to have the optional at extra cost, good looking Deluxe ones instead. This struck me as rather cynical back then and doing something similar is not a great idea. I understand that this may simply be a case of different tastes from mine. :wink:
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Hi Jozef
All the colour options will be the same price so just a matter of cosmetic preference. :thumb:
james
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I recall that General Motors in the sixties would design unattractive "standard" steering wheels and wheel covers so that people would pay extra to have the optional at extra cost, good looking Deluxe ones instead.
Super off-topic, but I'm doing it anyway. :D The "plane" steering wheels came in the lower trim level models. Chevrolet's Biscayne, for example, was a lower trim level with an unadorned steering wheel while the Impala was a higher trim level with a more attractive steering wheel (as well as the rest of the interior). If you bought a Biscayne you couldn't just check some option box for an Impala steering wheel. This was the case across all GM's product lines. Of course, there was nothing stopping a customer from buying a Biscayne and then wandering over to the parts department and ordering an Impala steering wheel. ;)
We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming. :D
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Pretty sure that was me. :D
You would agree, I'm certain, that re-designing the BP-19 board to move the Balance buttons would incur some cost and, instead of just one board for two different products, there are two that have to be tracked, ordered, stocked. The program that runs the machine that makes the holes in the face plate would need to be tweaked to move those two buttons. More cost. A large volume manufacturer can spread those costs out across a lot of units with a likely small impact to end user pricing, a small one doesn't have that scale.
Every change has a cost. The variables are how much and who's paying for it.
Great post, likely very close to the mark. I always wondered why Bryston chooses buttons for source selection, and not a rotary knob. A knob would allow much more visual symmetry in the front panel layout.
Big Bryston fan, and I do like the front panel design of the new integrated. Prefer a bit of three-dimensionality. But it appears you can have it both ways (with or without groves in the front panel).
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... and if I could make a suggestion - I prefer the Euro-plug style (might have the name wrong) trigger connections (stripped wire, with screw connects) over the more common 3.5mm style mono-plugs. Those plugs can be persnickety whereas the older style is rock solid. I have both in my Bryston equipment.