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Community => Non-audio hobbies and interests => Cars and Bikes => Topic started by: twitch54 on 23 Jul 2019, 09:32 pm
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as an old fart and an owner of 6 previous Vettes for the past 42 plus years and counting I can say, I'm 'smitten' !
https://www.motor1.com/news/361376/gm-explains-c8-corvette-price/
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Corvettes could have 3 seats and a central steering wheel as the McLaren.
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Here's hoping GM's production line runs smooth and fast and dealerships somehow discouraged from gouging premiums :nono:
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If I had way less interest in my stereo.. I could buy one. But since my stereo money pit exists, and I feed it constantly.. I have to settle for my Focus ST. At least I have a MANUAL transmission....
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Vette went to mid engine so it can try to beat the newer sports cars like Ford GT and Porsche RSR in endurance racing. With the new LeMans Hypercar and new LMP3 class coming soon sports car racing is alive and well!
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.... and dealerships somehow discouraged from gouging premiums :nono:
At that price? Fat chance.
If I had way less interest in my stereo.. I could buy one. But since my stereo money pit exists, and I feed it constantly.. I have to settle for my Focus ST. At least I have a MANUAL transmission....
Good to know you have your priorities straight!
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Exciting car. Finally an American NSX! :wink: I hope it makes a similar impact on the world of affordable high performance vehicles. Not that I could get one anyway, but man.....no manual trans option. :| Yeah, yeah...I know. Automatics with all the computer controlled stuff are pretty amazing these days. But there's something to be said about rowing your own gears especially if the vehicle has a really slick shifter.
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It does have paddle shifters, although I don't use my e93's.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2019/07/19/2020-corvette-stingray-c-8-manual-transmission-stick-shift/1775405001/ (https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2019/07/19/2020-corvette-stingray-c-8-manual-transmission-stick-shift/1775405001/)
It is a beautiful car in my eyes.
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I own a C6 and I am seriously considering buying a C8. I am leery of first year new generation cars in general, so might wait a year. It's a fluid idea at this point.
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I think it's amazing and would buy one if I could afford ~$75k... and having a 2nd car as this couldn't be my only car. It starts under $60k but imo you have to have Z51, Magride and LT2 for the HUD and PDR.
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I own a C6 and I am seriously considering buying a C8. I am leery of first year new generation cars in general, so might wait a year. It's a fluid idea at this point.
I know, buying a slightly used 2021 in 2022 might be a good way to go.
I can wait, I have an '18 Camaro SS 1LE which is an amazing car. :)
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I've never owned a Vette, but can see the design language of this new C8 hitting the mark. It's a beauty.
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Vette went to mid engine so it can try to beat the newer sports cars like Ford GT and Porsche RSR in endurance racing. With the new LeMans Hypercar and new LMP3 class coming soon sports car racing is alive and well!
if you're implying that the front engine Corvette couldn't compete you're wrong. As a platform more true to form of it's actual production sibling it has proven to be one of the best.
Simply put, it was time for the mid-engine evolution to take place.
As for the 'Ford' GT it was NEVER design to be a true production car like the Vette, rather another shot @ LeMans and the 'F' car, to which it succeeded. I hope you also realize that Ford did not actually build the car.
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Agree. The front engine platform had pretty much reached its pinnacle for performance with the C7 and it only makes sense that they took the next step with making it mid-engine. Look at Porsche. They basically did the same. Not until the intro of the Cayman did Porsche have a production, mid-engine, car. The Cayman is a little beast too from which Porsche has learned a lot from. It pushed the 911 to be a better (MUCH better) car. I think the future of the Corvette is brighter now than ever. I look forward to seeing old dudes out driving them. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. :jester: I can only hope to have a sweet ride like a Vette when I retire.
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meh...
Id rather something that looks like a quarter mile North American car, than
some european based look. But with the same (better) HP and twist.
Thinking Hellcat.... :popcorn:
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PDR I understand that perspective.
The Vette was born a sporty car, and then became a benchmark muscle car during the years it developed and changed.
But somewhere along the way it became a real sports car and left behind (in my opinion) the pure muscle approach.
I'd say the Hellcat is less a sports car and more a muscle car for sure.
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I've been (sort of) following the rumor mill on the innerweb for the new C8. It looks much better with solid paint rather than the camouflaged version seen on the streets and track. I really like the looks of white one.
The good news for the used car buyers among us on the C8 is, the used price of the C7's and C6's are going to drop like a rock about 6 months after it officially hits the streets. There will be an absolute glut of Vette's on the market. As it is, you can get a C6 with very little miles (<30k) for between $20 and $30k. Same will happen to the C7, which is a damned fine car (said by a Ford guy :oops: ).
At some point, I'll likely get a gently used Vette. Right now, I've got a BMW 650 Cabrio in my sights, maybe the M version if I find the right one.
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And Scott, don't forget that Cora (C5 version) is a pretty good deal if you like the pop up headlamps. :o
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American muscle car. Great looks. Never owned a Vette but this one looks really inviting in the right color.
charles
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I have always enjoyed the evolution of the Corvette over the years. In my opinion, the C8 is absolutely stunning! I never thought I would say this, but I can't wait to see this as an electric auto. Most people that will drive this car won't take it over 200 miles on a trip. It will be really quiet inside instead of how most mid engine cars are. It could be and absolute beast with TONS of horsepower and torque! Love the looks!
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I'm impressed. I do not think I know anyone who understands so much about the topic. You need to make a career of it, honestly, great site
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I have never been a Chevy fan, am not now a Chevy fan, and never will be a Chevy fan. :D But that there is one downright sexy beast. And that price! I think I would if I found the means...
Martin
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Somehow, James Pumphrey (Donut Media on Facebook) got his hands on the new C8. James is an acquired sense of humor so don't slam the vid too bad. The vid gives a little closer look at the new C8. No road test, no look underneath or much substantial but the vid is worth a watch. At $60k, this could be the bargain of the century (in terms of performance cars).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-JiQZPiIXU
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No more buggy springs!!! Will make my Grand Sport seem archaic.
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anybody know what the dealer mark up going to be?seem like the first year pre-order is about to be sold out.
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All I can say is WOW! GM is building a world class super car for less than $100K. There's been a lot of talk about the $60K starting price. I suspect that it will be like the mythical $35K Tesla 3. I will never own one, but even if they sell on average for $75K, it looks like one hell of bargain. I think the car looks great. I think my least favorite view is the rear. I almost wish they revived to old round tail light design but I understand car companies adopt a 'design language' for their products and this fits with the current vision.
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I like it, if they can keep the engine temperatures down..
:popcorn:
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meh...
Id rather something that looks like a quarter mile North American car, than
some european based look. But with the same (better) HP and twist.
Thinking Hellcat.... :popcorn:
I agree. They need to make a lightweight stripped down version dedicated for the drag strip.
Very few people ever buy a new Corvette and run them around the road courses that they were designed for. The chances of sliding them down a guardrail or swapping paint with another car is inevitable if they are driven hard. And that could prove very expensive. So it is very rare to see them on a track.
However they are on drag strips all over the country every weekend. This past weekend, at an event we held at our local drag strip, we had about 40 Corvettes show up.
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Where was this gem when I could climb in and out of cars like that ? Great American car.
charles
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For sure, this is a serious turning point for the vette. No doubt it will impact European sports car sales, especially in America.
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I agree. They need to make a lightweight stripped down version dedicated for the drag strip.
Very few people ever buy a new Corvette and run them around the road courses that they were designed for. The chances of sliding them down a guardrail or swapping paint with another car is inevitable if they are driven hard. And that could prove very expensive. So it is very rare to see them on a track.
However they are on drag strips all over the country every weekend. This past weekend, at an event we held at our local drag strip, we had about 40 Corvettes show up.
How do you think the drag-racabiltiy would be affected by mid engine?
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How do you think the drag-racabiltiy would be affected by mid engine?
It is not the right type of rear suspension for drag racing. But they never really had a good suspension for drag racing.
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I agree. They need to make a lightweight stripped down version dedicated for the drag strip.
Very few people ever buy a new Corvette and run them around the road courses that they were designed for. The chances of sliding them down a guardrail or swapping paint with another car is inevitable if they are driven hard. And that could prove very expensive. So it is very rare to see them on a track.
However they are on drag strips all over the country every weekend. This past weekend, at an event we held at our local drag strip, we had about 40 Corvettes show up.
Folks take their vetts to track day all over the country. You can find lots of vids on YouTube.
Ric
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Folks take their vetts to track day all over the country. You can find lots of vids on YouTube.
Ric
There are not that many road coarse tracks in the US. But there are small drag strips everywhere. And the number of Vette's that run weekly on a road coarse is nothing compared to how many show up at local drag strips.
And the risk of destroying a Vette on a road coarse is MUCH higher than the risk of hurting one at the drag strip.
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I agree. They need to make a lightweight stripped down version dedicated for the drag strip.
Very few people ever buy a new Corvette and run them around the road courses that they were designed for. The chances of sliding them down a guardrail or swapping paint with another car is inevitable if they are driven hard. And that could prove very expensive. So it is very rare to see them on a track.
However they are on drag strips all over the country every weekend. This past weekend, at an event we held at our local drag strip, we had about 40 Corvettes show up.
Chevy does already, it's called a COPO Camaro.
Building a stripped down Corvette for drag racing makes no sense what so ever, corporately speaking.
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anybody know what the dealer mark up going to be?seem like the first year pre-order is about to be sold out.
my dealer (Criswell Chevrolet, Gaithersburg, Md), no mark up
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Chevy does already, it's called a COPO Camaro.
Building a stripped down Corvette for drag racing makes no sense what so ever, corporately speaking.
The problem with the COPO Camaro is that it is a track only car with no title.
Is there a demand for such a car? Yes indeed. Enough to warrant a production run to be made. Probably not. :(
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The problem with the COPO Camaro is that it is a track only car with no title.
Is there a demand for such a car? Yes indeed. Enough to warrant a production run to be made. Probably not. :(
Danny, first off I don't know how many tracks you've been too but to say that Vettes are rarely seen tells me you haven't been to many !
A couple weeks back the local Porsche club rented out the Glen for the weekend, there were damn near as many Vettes there as Porsches !!
In so far as drag racing, I'm a long time bracket racer and I can tell you Corvette is by no means the dominant car. I suspect what you're referring to is a bunch of 'grudge racing' done at most drag strips around the country, mostly weekend warriors with very little skill.
no if ands or butts the C8 is meant for serious road action and in no way will that heavy turd (Hellcat / Demon) do anything but look at it's taillights on a road course !
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BMW Club Racer Here. Road Courses within a days drive of me in Winston Salem NC.
Virginia International Raceway
Carolina Motorsports Park
Road Atlanta
Roebling Road Raceway
Summit Point Motorsports Park
New Jersey Motorsport Park
Pittsburgh International Race Complex
Dominion Raceway
There are not that many road coarse tracks in the US. But there are small drag strips everywhere. And the number of Vette's that run weekly on a road coarse is nothing compared to how many show up at local drag strips.
And the risk of destroying a Vette on a road coarse is MUCH higher than the risk of hurting one at the drag strip.
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Danny, first off I don't know how many tracks you've been too but to say that Vettes are rarely seen tells me you haven't been to many !
A couple weeks back the local Porsche club rented out the Glen for the weekend, there were damn near as many Vettes there as Porsches !!
In so far as drag racing, I'm a long time bracket racer and I can tell you Corvette is by no means the dominant car. I suspect what you're referring to is a bunch of 'grudge racing' done at most drag strips around the country, mostly weekend warriors with very little skill.
no if ands or butts the C8 is meant for serious road action and in no way will that heavy turd (Hellcat / Demon) do anything but look at it's taillights on a road course !
My point is that there are not that many road coarse's out there. And I bet most of the Vettes running them are not brand new. I bet most are C5 or C6's bought used and built up.
I am a long time bracket racer myself. And no new car has a chance against a skilled driver in a car built for bracket racing even in a bracket race.
And yes, those guys are weekend warriors with little experience. But they are out there at drag strips all over the place. Those Vettes see more time on the drag strip than any other type of track by far. So one has to wonder, if that is where they are being used, then should the manufacturer take notice. Maybe in the grand scheme of things it is a niche market just like high end audio.
And I agree, those Hellcats and Demons have no business on a road coarse.
If I were a buyer of a new Vette right now I'd be wanting to know how well the computers are encrypted. So does everyone else in the aftermarket industry.
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I can't believe that no one mentioned the fact that Bose is supplying the sound system. It looks impressive on paper.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/29258/bose-to-bump-2020-chevrolet-corvette-owners-with-its-most-powerful-in-car-sound-system
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I can't believe that no one mentioned the fact that Bose is supplying the sound system. It looks impressive on paper.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/29258/bose-to-bump-2020-chevrolet-corvette-owners-with-its-most-powerful-in-car-sound-system
Ahhh, but the more enticing sound system is behind the cockpit and activated with you foot.
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I love it, but no way can I afford it. I am hoping this will drop the prices of a C7 in a couple of years to where I might be able to snag one. I have never had a muscle car - had a Porsche Boxster, a couple of WRXs and a slew of small used sports cars. I'd like to sample some horsepower while I am still able to drive. A few years ago when I was working for an indie music distributor, I knew the head of Fantasy Records who was almost blind. Didn't stop him from buying a high horsepower Mustang.
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Danny in the world of HPDE you see as many new C7 as about any other cars on the track. Best bang for your buck track car available. Until the C8 comes to the showrooms.
My point is that there are not that many road coarse's out there. And I bet most of the Vettes running them are not brand new. I bet most are C5 or C6's bought used and built up.
I am a long time bracket racer myself. And no new car has a chance against a skilled driver in a car built for bracket racing even in a bracket race.
And yes, those guys are weekend warriors with little experience. But they are out there at drag strips all over the place. Those Vettes see more time on the drag strip than any other type of track by far. So one has to wonder, if that is where they are being used, then should the manufacturer take notice. Maybe in the grand scheme of things it is a niche market just like high end audio.
And I agree, those Hellcats and Demons have no business on a road coarse.
If I were a buyer of a new Vette right now I'd be wanting to know how well the computers are encrypted. So does everyone else in the aftermarket industry.
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Ahhh, but the more enticing sound system is behind the cockpit and activated with you foot.
agreed 100% but I'm sure the latest Bose set up will be just fine
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Best bang for your buck track car available.
Actually, that's the Camaro SS 1LE. 8)
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We can agree to disagree. Have two of my track friends, father and son, who bought SS 1LE. They always get butt hurt when I pass them in my Grand Sport. Makes for great banter and laughs between track sessions hanging out in the paddock.
Actually, that's the Camaro SS 1LE. 8)
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We can agree to disagree. Have two of my track friends, father and son, who bought SS 1LE. They always get butt hurt when I pass them in my Grand Sport. Makes for great banter and laughs between track sessions hanging out in the paddock.
The Grand Sport is marginally faster (with Cup2 tires) but $25k more $... and unless you're a pro the difference between drivers is FAR more relevant than GS vs SS 1LE. Camaro has a better chassis for sure, having driven both I enjoy the Vette a lot, but the Camaro's chassis is just more predictable and easier to drive at the limit.
Considering the SS 1LE can be bought brand new for under $40k, it's a far better value for a track car... Here's one interesting take that I fully agree with... but based on VALUE the Camaro is the obvious winner.
https://youtu.be/RWYd3Jw2zn0
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Danny in the world of HPDE you see as many new C7 as about any other cars on the track. Best bang for your buck track car available. Until the C8 comes to the showrooms.
No doubt they are awesome track cars. Dad has a C7 ZO6 that I ride in often.
My point was the number of tracks like that are limited so the number of them being used as intended verses the number making passes down the drag strips.... Makes me question in my mind if Corvette should address that market.
Who knows...
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Again we will agree to disagree. I am ashamed at how little I paid for my 2017 Grand Sport with only 3200 miles on it. Great values for both cars in the used market. I think you need to get into the ZL1 1LE to gain the superior suspension even though I am riding on buggy springs in the GS. There is a group of five of us in my track group. Two 1LE Camaros, one C7 ZO6, one C6 ZR1 and me in the C7 GS. As long as we are all driving GM it is all in good fun whomever passes who on the track.
The Grand Sport is marginally faster (with Cup2 tires) but $25k more $... and unless you're a pro the difference between drivers is FAR more relevant than GS vs SS 1LE. Camaro has a better chassis for sure, having driven both I enjoy the Vette a lot, but the Camaro's chassis is just more predictable and easier to drive at the limit.
Considering the SS 1LE can be bought brand new for under $40k, it's a far better value for a track car... Here's one interesting take that I fully agree with... but based on VALUE the Camaro is the obvious winner.
https://youtu.be/RWYd3Jw2zn0
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Again we will agree to disagree. I am ashamed at how little I paid for my 2017 Grand Sport with only 3200 miles on it. Great values for both cars in the used market. I think you need to get into the ZL1 1LE to gain the superior suspension even though I am riding on buggy springs in the GS. There is a group of five of us in my track group. Two 1LE Camaros, one C7 ZO6, one C6 ZR1 and me in the C7 GS. As long as we are all driving GM it is all in good fun whomever passes who on the track.
Exactly and the C8 is gonna 'wipe 'em all up' ! ............ well some right of the bat and the others down the road in a year or three.
Shall we guess what the Top Dog Vette will be in a few years ? While a lot will say ZR1 I'm going with 'Zora' ................
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Well, the new Vette is almost fast enough. :)
But still not as quick as five year old Tesla S.
https://insideevs.com/news/360588/c8-chevy-corvette-reveal-specs-tesla-model-3-s/
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Well, the new Vette is almost fast enough. :)
But still not as quick as five year old Tesla S.
https://insideevs.com/news/360588/c8-chevy-corvette-reveal-specs-tesla-model-3-s/
LOL, quicker, yes, now lets see what it's lap times will be around the 'ring' .............
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I have watched many a YouTube video of the guy with a gutted Tesla wiping the floor with anyone challenging him to a drag race. There have been a few that came to VIR thinking they were going to track their Tesla. Lets just say they didn't get their moneys worth.
Well, the new Vette is almost fast enough. :)
But still not as quick as five year old Tesla S.
https://insideevs.com/news/360588/c8-chevy-corvette-reveal-specs-tesla-model-3-s/
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Drag race, who cares? Let's race cross country Gumball Rally style, any Tesla owners in?
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Its got BOSE front door speakers.
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"Bose’s Most Powerful Coupe Audio System Ever"
Standard 10-speaker / Optional 14-speaker
https://www.motortrend.com/news/c8-corvette-audio-system/
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I am looking forward to sitting in one of these 14 speaker C8s and listening. How do you get 14 speakers in such a small car and why so many?
"Bose’s Most Powerful Coupe Audio System Ever"
Standard 10-speaker / Optional 14-speaker
https://www.motortrend.com/news/c8-corvette-audio-system/
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WANT!
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With 10-14 speakers in a coupe I'd imagine there is significant DSP use in play.
I'd bet 2+ speakers in the seats/headrests, 3 way in the doors, some dash speakers, and at least 1 sub.
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I am looking forward to sitting in one of these 14 speaker C8s and listening.
me too ! I know it's Bose but I suspect it will sound superb