Electrical properties of your American Speaker Cables?

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Mrmb

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Namely, what are the per foot specifications for:
L – Inductance
C – Capacitance
R – Resistance


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Re: Electrical properties of your American Speaker Cables?
« Reply #1 on: 1 Nov 2019, 07:04 pm »
Kimber 8TC
16 strands of 19.5 AWG OFE (oxygen free electrolytic) copper with industry leading conductivity. (102% IACS).

Aggregate combination of 8, 19.5AWG strands=9AWG per +/- leg.

LOW series induction design: 0.09 uH / meter


(Cp) parallel capacitance: 346 pF / meter
(Ls) series inductance: 0.09 uH / meter
(Rdc) dc loop resistance: 0.008 Ohm / meter

All this info from Kimber Kable.

I have used 8TC for a very very long time. and even though I upgraded to way more expensive speakers.. I still like the 8TC.

jriggy

Re: Electrical properties of your American Speaker Cables?
« Reply #2 on: 1 Nov 2019, 11:17 pm »
Hi Elizabeth,
Are you suggesting that the 8TC wire and/or configuration is what Pete uses for his speaker cables? Thanks

RichPark

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« Reply #3 on: 1 Nov 2019, 11:52 pm »
He uses mithrill and child labor  :icon_twisted:

srb

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« Reply #4 on: 1 Nov 2019, 11:54 pm »
Most likely didn't notice this is in Triode Wire Labs circle and interpreted the subject as American (made) speaker cables.

RichPark

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« Reply #5 on: 2 Nov 2019, 12:03 am »
His daughters used to help him fabricate his wires.  I have his bi wire speaker cables and I couldn't believe how much better the bass and mids sound on my 4ohm Nova speakers.  I wish I could measure them for you but I wouldn't know how.  All I know is I will keep them.

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Re: Electrical properties of your American Speaker Cables?
« Reply #6 on: 2 Nov 2019, 10:58 pm »
Most likely didn't notice this is in Triode Wire Labs circle and interpreted the subject as American (made) speaker cables.

Correct. I just saw it in the recent threads list, and thought ok, I can add to this.
Sorry I did not realize it was only THE speaker cables used by the Circle.

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« Reply #7 on: 2 Nov 2019, 11:22 pm »
He uses mithrill and child labor  :icon_twisted:
They just look like children; they're actually elves. 

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Re: Electrical properties of your American Speaker Cables?
« Reply #8 on: 2 Nov 2019, 11:59 pm »
  Why ?

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Re: Electrical properties of your American Speaker Cables?
« Reply #9 on: 3 Nov 2019, 11:56 am »
  Why ?

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Why do the Elves look like children? or why are they using Elves? Clarity in communication...  :thumb:

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Re: Electrical properties of your American Speaker Cables?
« Reply #10 on: 3 Nov 2019, 04:29 pm »
Elizabeth why a need to know electrical properties. Not Elves   :thumb:


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« Reply #11 on: 4 Nov 2019, 12:31 am »
I'm using Kimber 4TC.  R = 0.0049 ohms/ft    L = 0.07 uH/ft   C = 41.46 pF/ft

The 8TC and 12TC also have admirably low R and L, but C increases remarkably, to 106 and 151 pF/ft.

Kudos to Kimber for publishing specs. Many, many cables I looked into do not and would not provide them.



Mike-48

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« Reply #12 on: 4 Nov 2019, 12:35 am »
(post deleted - I was mistakenly comparing Elizabeth's specs in meters to my information in feet.)

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Re: Electrical properties of your American Speaker Cables?
« Reply #13 on: 4 Nov 2019, 07:35 pm »
I'm using Kimber 4TC.  R = 0.0049 ohms/ft    L = 0.07 uH/ft   C = 41.46 pF/ft

The 8TC and 12TC also have admirably low R and L, but C increases remarkably, to 106 and 151 pF/ft.

Kudos to Kimber for publishing specs. Many, many cables I looked into do not and would not provide them.


  It is all about voicing not revealing the spec. Now if your speakre required a low or high LCR spec good to know. Other than that just listen to it.

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Re: Electrical properties of your American Speaker Cables?
« Reply #14 on: 5 Nov 2019, 01:04 am »
It is all about voicing not revealing the spec. Now if your speakre required a low or high LCR spec good to know. Other than that just listen to it. 

Well, sure, sound is the most important thing. Nonetheless, I think it's useful for manufacturers to release this information for several reasons. As you said, some speakers (e.g., electrostatic ones) come with recommendations, and one might like to start with low L and C. (Low R should be key for any speakers.)

Second, though it's often difficult to correlate what we hear with measurements, I think it's worth seeing what measurements can tell us and where they're lacking. We'll never get there if specs aren't even available.

Third, when I looked for specs, I noticed that some of the manufacturers who don't publish them are not shy about publishing technobabble saying their cables are better. Doing that seems particularly dubious if you're not willing to reveal the actual physical properties of the product. At the very least, it encourages the perpetual cries of "snake oil!".
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