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Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: avadoro on 21 Jan 2006, 03:20 pm
Is Channel Islands likely to make an integrated amp?
That could be a very nice choice for many users!
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: CIAudio on 21 Jan 2006, 07:36 pm
someday  :wink:
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: unityaudio.ca on 22 Jan 2006, 12:52 am
That day can't come too soon!  :D
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: denjo on 22 Jan 2006, 01:48 am
I look forward to a Channel Island integrated (with a transformer volume control).....that would be a match made in heaven!
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: giorgino1 on 23 Jan 2006, 12:08 am
Quote from: CIAudio
someday  :wink:


If you were going to build a hypothetical CI Audio Integrated amplifier, what technological direction would you be going towards? Digital with a passive / active preamp? High or lower powered?
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: CIAudio on 23 Jan 2006, 04:42 am
Quote from: giorgino1

If you were going to build a hypothetical CI Audio Integrated amplifier, what technological direction would you be going towards? Digital with a passive / active preamp? High or lower powered?


Sorry but I can't even start thinking about this yet...we still have other products in the works. Some of the things we do never become an actual product, so I usually won't say/post anything until it's in a final prototype stage or starting production.
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: giorgino1 on 24 Jan 2006, 06:25 pm
Is there an inherent advantage in a pre/power amp design? I'm curious because you've designed 3 poweramps in the past 2 years.
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: CIAudio on 24 Jan 2006, 06:49 pm
There can be advantages and disadvantages...I still think well matched seperate components will yield the best performance, but an integrated is sometimes more desirable due to cost, compact size, fewer cables, etc.
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: giorgino1 on 24 Jan 2006, 08:20 pm
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There can be advantages and disadvantages...I still think well matched seperate components will yield the best performance...

Yeah, the ability to "tune" your system to suit your personal preference can definitely be a double-edged sword. It also multiplies the chances of getting it all wrong and never getting you off the upgrade merry-go-round.
My personal motivation for being interested in an integrated is to reducing the amount of hifi real-estate on my rack.
Is there an argument to say that audiophiles should really be content in getting the sound they want from playing around with an integrated amp, integrated CDP, speakers tweaks and cables...? :D
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: CIAudio on 25 Jan 2006, 02:52 am
Many trade-offs when putting everything in a single enclosure...

Due to size, power is limited, transformers and power supplies are shared, and audio circuits can pick up noise from each other and the supplies from being in close proximity of each other.

Separate components can have their own dedicated supplies, shielded enclosures, and room for more powerful circuitry and better layouts.

Both have their merits, it just depends on your needs and what you're trying to achieve.
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: unityaudio.ca on 25 Jan 2006, 04:24 pm
One of the things I LOVE about the CI Audio product is the size - one can put together a preamp and pair of mono blocks that take roughly the same amount of real estate as an integrated, and for the money, the performance is MUCH better, to my ears anyway.  8)
Title: Remote please...
Post by: kfr01 on 27 Jan 2006, 01:14 am
If you do decide to make an integrated, please make it remote.  There's just no way I'd (and I bet many others) would ever consider buying a $1000+ non-remote controlled integrated in the year 2006.  

My 2c

Edited to reflect the correct year ;-)
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: CIAudio on 27 Jan 2006, 01:34 am
check your calendar...it's 2006  :lol:

Yes..IF and when we make an intergrated, it will have a remote.
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: unityaudio.ca on 27 Jan 2006, 03:47 pm
Dusty, I think a preamp with a remote would be better than and integrated.  Mated with a set of VMB1's would be awesome.
Are the VMB1 still available?
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: kfr01 on 27 Jan 2006, 04:14 pm
Quote from: unityaudio.ca
Dusty, I think a preamp with a remote would be better than and integrated.


You know, I'd agree with that.  I would have gone with one of your passive pres a long time ago if it had a remote.
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: CIAudio on 27 Jan 2006, 04:26 pm
The remote system we're working on will be incorporated in several upcoming products...preamp is first on the list.

VMB-1's have been discontinued. We feel the D series offer better sound and versatility. VMB's sound great, but have power and load impedance limitations.
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: kfr01 on 27 Jan 2006, 04:50 pm
Quote from: unityaudio.ca
Dusty, I think a preamp with a remote would be better than and integrated.  Mated with a set of VMB1's would be awesome.
Are the VMB1 still available?


Psst.  I think I saw a pair of VMB1's on audiogon a few days ago...
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: unityaudio.ca on 27 Jan 2006, 04:56 pm
:D
Already looked.  :wink:
Since we're a dealer, it would make more sense to have the D100/200 instead, but I wouldn't mind a set of VMB1 hooked up to the computer on my desk.
 8)
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: giorgino1 on 27 Jan 2006, 06:36 pm
Audio listening is already a sedentary enough of a lifestyle without being exacebated by a remote control. Think about your circulation and spreading butt-cheeks lads... :D
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: unityaudio.ca on 27 Jan 2006, 06:39 pm
45 minute workout 3 times a week for me in the AM before I sit down at the desk.  :D
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: kfr01 on 27 Jan 2006, 07:26 pm
Quote from: giorgino1
Audio listening is already a sedentary enough of a lifestyle without being exacebated by a remote control. Think about your circulation and spreading butt-cheeks lads... :D


I work hard and I exercise.  Audio time is relaxation time for me.  It is not relaxing to get up and turn a knob.  I would never buy a system without a remote.
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: giorgino1 on 27 Jan 2006, 10:59 pm
So, it looks like it's just me who's fat and lazy then...?   :roll:
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: kfr01 on 27 Jan 2006, 11:17 pm
Quote from: giorgino1
So, it looks like it's just me who's fat and lazy then...?   :roll:


Did I say that?  All I said was that ----- I ----- prefer a remote and to relax when listening to music.  

 :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: CIAudio on 28 Jan 2006, 01:25 am
I'm not the kinda guy who HAS to have a remote, but I agree that integrateds and preamps would sell much better with them  :)
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: giorgino1 on 28 Jan 2006, 01:37 am
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Did I say that?

Noo - I'm just kidding around.  :)
Yeah, a remote is sometimes pretty useful to adjust the volume from the listening position depending on recording levels.
Title: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: JLM on 28 Jan 2006, 10:23 am
I'm doing just fine with my Squeeze Box (SB) and a pair of Channel Island monoblocks.

The SB offers internet audio streaming, high quality playback (after mods)of my CD collection via the computer, and a remote so I never have to get out of my chair.

So who needs a pre-amp or integrated?


Dusty -

I like the company name just fine, but with President Bush's secret spying could we come up with a better abbrevation, so these messges don't come up on the NSA's screen?   :roll:
Title: Re: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: USAudio on 20 Jan 2007, 05:05 am
What's the latest word on a CIAudio integrated amplifer? 
Anything in the works that can be announced yet? 
Title: Re: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: CIAudio on 20 Jan 2007, 05:49 am
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What's the latest word on a CIAudio integrated amplifer? 
Anything in the works that can be announced yet? 

Not yet...still working on getting D-400 into production, but the integrated is still on the to-do list  :)
Title: Re: Remote please...
Post by: dhiebert on 20 Jan 2007, 04:31 pm
If you do decide to make an integrated, please make it remote.  There's just no way I'd (and I bet many others) would ever consider buying a $1000+ non-remote controlled integrated in the year 2006. 

I don't believe in remote controls. God forbid the day I become so lazy that I can't tell my wife and kids to change the channel for me!   :lol:
Title: Re: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: unityaudio.ca on 20 Jan 2007, 05:45 pm
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What's the latest word on a CIAudio integrated amplifer? 
Anything in the works that can be announced yet? 

Not yet...still working on getting D-400 into production, but the integrated is still on the to-do list  :)

You need to clone yourself Dusty.  :P :wink:
Title: Re: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: USAudio on 21 Jan 2007, 04:04 am
Not yet...still working on getting D-400 into production, but the integrated is still on the to-do list  :)

Thanks Dusty for your candor and for taking the time to answer all our inquiries here.
Business must really be hopping for you, that's terrific!!!
:thumb:
Title: Re: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: george_k on 5 Oct 2007, 03:52 pm
Dusty how far away is the plan for an integrated?

The reason I ask is that I need to upgrade my current setup, if we are talking 1-2 years I'll wait to see what you come up with.
Title: Re: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: TONEPUB on 5 Oct 2007, 03:55 pm
A CI integrated is an awesome idea...

We see a lot of people asking for that kind of thing.
Integrateds are making a huge comeback!
Title: Re: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: USAudio on 6 Oct 2007, 08:48 pm
A CI integrated is an awesome idea...

We see a lot of people asking for that kind of thing.
Integrateds are making a huge comeback!
I agree, integrateds can offer excellent sound and tend to be more affordable than seperates.
A similar CIAudio product offering a combination of the D-100's and PLC-1 all in the same chassis would be terrific!  (Especially if it can be offered for around $2000USD or less)
Title: Re: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: JLM on 7 Oct 2007, 10:53 am
But wouldn't that end up making the size/shape a CIA product that looks like everything else?  (I like being unique.)

With Dusty's current path you must add a pair of interconnects and use two versus one AC receptacle, but you have full channel isolation in the power amps, can choose which pre-amp you want, keep the low voltage pre-amp circuits away from the power amp circuits, and have greater flexibility for locating smaller pieces.

Seems to me the real question aught to be how much could be saved by putting everything in one box versus three.  Frankly I don't see much savings or much of a market for a $2000 integrated.

I do wish entry into CIA was less expensive, so my ideal integrated would be to put a VPC-3 plus two VMB-1 monoblocks (with perhaps a shared power supply) together for around $1000.  This would also stretch the financial range of CIA pre/power offerings (currently in a rather narrow range of $1900 - 3200).
Title: Re: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: unityaudio.ca on 16 Oct 2007, 10:20 pm
Too bad the VMB1's are no longer available  :cry:
Title: Re: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: JLM on 16 Oct 2007, 10:57 pm
Oops, I'll have to amend the CIA pre/power price range with the release of the D-500 to between $1900 and $5400.  A move in the wrong direction to me, but its not my company and I don't know if Dusty's quality could be maintained at the previously mentioned $1000 price point.

Yes, 40 wpc is plenty for many applications.  The new D-500 monoblocks moves CIA even fartther upscale and up wattage.  I wonder how much need there is for 500 watts?  (I know that its better to have too many clean watts than to clip a smaller amp, but if you look into dB of gain, the watts race becomes pretty meaningless much above 100 watts.)

Title: Re: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: CIAudio on 17 Oct 2007, 03:47 pm
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Oops, I'll have to amend the CIA pre/power price range with the release of the D-500 to between $1900 and $5400.  A move in the wrong direction to me, but its not my company and I don't know if Dusty's quality could be maintained at the previously mentioned $1000 price point.

Yes, 40 wpc is plenty for many applications.  The new D-500 monoblocks moves CIA even fartther upscale and up wattage.  I wonder how much need there is for 500 watts?  (I know that its better to have too many clean watts than to clip a smaller amp, but if you look into dB of gain, the watts race becomes pretty meaningless much above 100 watts.)

D•500s were developed for systems that need a lot of power...generally large and inefficient speakers used in large rooms.

We are still undecided as to what the integrated will consist of, but most likely a PLC-1 based front end with around 150w per channel at around $2500.

Although we are known for making "high performance to cost ratio" products, a $1000 integrated is not really possible when hand-made in the USA.

Many companies sell Chinese made products in this price range, but ours will never be made there  :D
Title: Re: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: miklorsmith on 17 Oct 2007, 04:02 pm
No knock on stuff from China or anywhere else, but that warms my heart Dusty.   :thumb:
Title: Re: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: USAudio on 18 Oct 2007, 04:24 pm
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Many companies sell Chinese made products in this price range, but ours will never be made there  :D

:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: sts9fan on 18 Oct 2007, 04:26 pm
Agreed! Thats why CIA is on my short list!
Title: Re: Channel Islands Integrated?
Post by: JLM on 20 Oct 2007, 11:31 am
One nice feature of CIA pieces is that the sound/build quality really doesn't change across the product line.  The only real "upgrade" is the VAC-1 power supply, which doesn't require modding, extra shipping, or down time.

I didn't think a $1000 CIA 40 wpc integrated was possible (and still maintain company standards/practices) but it doesn't hurt to dream. 

Buying the VMB-1 monoblocks used and adding a VPC-3, I've managed to obtain the equivilant for under $1000.