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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: XMAN on 19 Feb 2016, 03:24 am
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I Just got off the phone with my dealer getting an update on when my BDA 3 will arrive and the conversation led to digital players. I was told the BDP USB is discontinued and a new player will come out as a BDP pi and will be half size. Is there any truth to this? If so is there a place i can get some information on it?
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I Just got off the phone with my dealer getting an update on when my BDA 3 will arrive and the conversation led to digital players. I was told the BDP USB is discontinued and a new player will come out as a BDP pi and will be half size. Is there any truth to this? If so is there a place i can get some information on it?
Hi
Yes the BDP 1 USB has been discontinued and we are looking at doing a lower priced BDP digital player based on the Raspberry Pi. It will not be as sophisticated as the BDP2 but will be less expensive.
James
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137556)
and the berries are hifi
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Hi
Yes the BDP 1 USB has been discontinued and we are looking at doing a lower priced BDP digital player based on the Raspberry Pi. It will not be as sophisticated as the BDP2 but will be less expensive.
James
Hi James,
By "less sophisticated", does that mean a dedicated MPD player without extra services and USB output only?
Thanks, in advance.
EDIT: and, by the way, if the answer is 'yes', I think that is a very smart product decision.
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Hi James,
By "less sophisticated", does that mean a dedicated MPD player without extra services and USB output only?
Thanks, in advance.
EDIT: and, by the way, if the answer is 'yes', I think that is a very smart product decision.
By less sophisticated I mean not as fast as the BDP-2 and can not handle as large a library. It will be a 1/3rd size chassis as well. As for outputs no Balanced out AES EBU or BNC.
james
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Hi James,
As I'm thinking later on adding Bryston players;
Compare to PC/MAC Will it offer noticble better SQ as BDP2 ?
What exact size of library is less then BDP2?
1000 to 2000 44.1/16 albums Could be handle by it?
Yitshak
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Hi James,
As I'm thinking later on adding Bryston players;
Compare to PC/MAC Will it offer noticble better SQ as BDP2 ?
What exact size of library is less then BDP2?
1000 to 2000 44.1/16 albums Could be handle by it?
Yitshak
Not sure on the Library size yet as still testing.
Yes the sound quality will be excellent as it uses the same Linux operating system and MPD as the BDP-2.
james
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137556)
and the berries are hifi
Mr Chris
I thought the berries were WiFi
Robert
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Hi
Yes the BDP 1 USB has been discontinued and we are looking at doing a lower priced BDP digital player based on the Raspberry Pi. It will not be as sophisticated as the BDP2 but will be less expensive.
James
Intel NUC based? New design software?
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Intel NUC based?
No, Raspberry Pi. ;)
"The Raspberry Pi® is a single-board computer developed in the UK by the Raspberry Pi Foundation. The design is based on a Broadcom BCM2835 system on a chip (SoC), which includes an ARM1176JZF-S 700MHz processor, VideoCore IV GPU, and 512 megabytes of RAM. The design does not include a built-in hard disk or solid-state drive, instead relying on an SD card for booting and long-term storage"
If it's based on the Raspberry Pi 2 Model B, then the processor is a Broadcom BCM2836. The underlying architecture in BCM2836 is identical to BCM2835. The only significant difference is the removal of the ARM1176JZF-S processor and replacement with a quad-core Cortex-A7 cluster.
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Thank you. I'll have to stay tuned on this one. I have the original version BDP-1. Still works pretty well.
JRiver looks to be developing a similar product. Id pi......
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Thank you. I'll have to stay tuned on this one. I have the original version BDP-1. Still works pretty well.
JRiver looks to be developing a similar product. Id pi......
If Bryston develops a low-cost BDP-1 that still pays attention to clean power and mitigates electrical noise (translation: sounds great), they will have a giant killer on their hands.
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I built a raspberry pi last year and have had Volumio software running on it, it is not a long way off my BDP-2 and only cost $100 AUD. I originally tried to run jriver on it (they have a release for it) but my lack of Linux knowledge led me to abandon it for the time being.
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If Bryston develops a low-cost BDP-1 that still pays attention to clean power and mitigates electrical noise (translation: sounds great), they will have a giant killer on their hands.
I also run a JRiver Id 202 2tb server / renderer. So either the JRiver pi or Bryston pi would work for me for a desktop setup. One Difference will probably be the software. JRiver is somewhat complicated at times, but does work well once you get it dialed in.
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Hi
Yes the BDP 1 USB has been discontinued and we are looking at doing a lower priced BDP digital player based on the Raspberry Pi. It will not be as sophisticated as the BDP2 but will be less expensive.
James
Hi James will this player be Roonready also and when do you think this new bdp pi will be ready? Well approximately.
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Hi James will this player be Roonready also and when do you think this new bdp pi will be ready? Well approximately.
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Not sure on the Roon as that is still being discussed.
Be about 2 months on the smaller BDP.
james
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BDP 3.14 ??
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BDP 3.14 ??
As in the first three digits of pi
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi)
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Mr Chris
I thought the berries were WiFi
Robert
Nope, HiFi berries
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I would suggest you consider avoiding the Raspberry Pi and Pi 2 as the basis for a moderately high end music player as the usb and ethernet set up is not great. All the usb and the ethernet goes over a single usb controller (might even be a single usb channel?) so bandwidth, and I expect hardware interrupts, are limited. So if you are using say a USB drive and a USB sound device, they will be competing for the single USB controllers capacity. Same if you use a network share and a USB sound device, they will be competing for the single USB controllers capacity. I am not a hardware engineer though so I could be wrong about this being an issue. Just seems like a potential issue that could be avoided by using alternate hardware.
I am sure there are many happy users of Raspberry Pi as music players, just that I would think this might not be suitable in a moderately high end commercial music player. On the other hand - it might be fine.
There are other devices similar to Raspberry Pi that do not have this limitation.
If you are creating your own hardware and you add in suitable USB and ethernet controllers then you would of course avoid this potential issue.
Looking forward to seeing what you produce.
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The Raspberry Pi computer board sells for about $35. I also question its use in a high end sound system.
Tony
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The Raspberry Pi computer board sells for about $35. I also question its use in a high end sound system.
Tony
Hi Tony
One of the reasons we are experimenting with the Raspberry Pi is we want to get the younger customer into a better audio system and higher end prices simply preclude those customers from even getting started.
james
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I would suggest you consider avoiding the Raspberry Pi and Pi 2 as the basis for a moderately high end music player as the usb and ethernet set up is not great. All the usb and the ethernet goes over a single usb controller (might even be a single usb channel?) so bandwidth, and I expect hardware interrupts, are limited. So if you are using say a USB drive and a USB sound device, they will be competing for the single USB controllers capacity. Same if you use a network share and a USB sound device, they will be competing for the single USB controllers capacity. I am not a hardware engineer though so I could be wrong about this being an issue. Just seems like a potential issue that could be avoided by using alternate hardware.
I am sure there are many happy users of Raspberry Pi as music players, just that I would think this might not be suitable in a moderately high end commercial music player. On the other hand - it might be fine.
There are other devices similar to Raspberry Pi that do not have this limitation.
If you are creating your own hardware and you add in suitable USB and ethernet controllers then you would of course avoid this potential issue.
Looking forward to seeing what you produce.
Hasn't been a problem with our prototypes, also I don't think this has been an issue for well over a decade with any hardware now that USB 2, 3 and 3.1 exists. I'd also like to point out we have released virtually nothing regarding details of what features this product will contain. Finally how much bandwidth do you think highres requires? Very little, 2MB/s or 16Mb/s for a two channel 192khz wav file. On paper it requires less, but we have found this to be the minimum for uninterrupted play back from a NAS or USB Drive. Your concerns are noted, but unfounded in the relation to our product.
Cheer,
Chris
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The Raspberry Pi computer board sells for about $35. I also question its use in a high end sound system.
Tony
Sure does and thats nice
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Hasn't been a problem with our prototypes, also I don't think this has been an issue for well over a decade with any hardware now that USB 2, 3 and 3.1 exists. I'd also like to point out we have released virtually nothing regarding details of what features this product will contain. Finally how much bandwidth do you think highres requires? Very little, 2MB/s or 16Mb/s for a two channel 192khz wav file. On paper it requires less, but we have found this to be the minimum for uninterrupted play back from a NAS or USB Drive. Your concerns are noted, but unfounded in the relation to our product.
Cheer,
Chris
It was not just bandwidth I was concerned about, but also timing, since people keep saying clocks and timing and low jitter are important for digital audio. So for example with a Raspberry Pi when you use the built in USB hub with for example a USB sound device, and a USB drive and/or an ethernet device accessing a shared drive, they are all competing for resources (including timing, hardware interrupts) of the one USB controller. Your prototypes may not even work this way, and even if they do it seems it is not a problem.
As you state my concerns have not been a problem with your prototypes, then I agree my concerns are unfounded. I appreciate your response and I look forward to the release of your product.
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Hi Tony
One of the reasons we are experimenting with the Raspberry Pi is we want to get the younger customer into a better audio system and higher end prices simply preclude those customers from even getting started.
james
James,
That is certainly a worthy objective.
Tony
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The Raspberry Pi computer board sells for about $35. I also question its use in a high end sound system.
Tony
Keep in mind that the RaspPI was designed to be affordable and accessible by everyone, and is being sold as such.
Unlike some of the HIFI industry this product was specifically made to hit a very low price.
It is also one part in a greater system. I would be surprised if the part in the BDP it replaces (motherboard) costs significantly more than $35.
It will still need a OS drive (sd card) and a power supply. And in the BPD my research has shown the PSU is what sets it apart from others.
After using the PI (rune), BPD, Moon Mind and various other streamers I can say with experience that the PI is more than capable.
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I'd also like to point out we have released virtually nothing regarding details of what features this product will contain.
Cheer,
Chris
Chris I'm pretty sure you already mentioned its main feature... yumminess.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137556)
I'm pretty keen to see how it goes. A smaller cheaper unit would be nice. I'm still very happy with the performance of my BDP-1.
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Just to clarify there are two hidden messages in that post
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If BDP-1 used Raspberry Pi from the beginning, I wouldn't have had the need to upgrade to BDP-2. No need for skepticism.
But now that BDP will be in a 1/3rd chassis, you could make an equal size DAC and a headphone amplifier. I mean, if younger public is your targeted client, then this would seem to be logical. Miniature versions of BDA and BHA with less connectivity and 50% the cost would be great.
Cheers!
Antun
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If BDP-1 used Raspberry Pi from the beginning, I wouldn't have had the need to upgrade to BDP-2. No need for skepticism.
But now that BDP will be in a 1/3rd chassis, you could make an equal size DAC and a headphone amplifier. I mean, if younger public is your targeted client, then this would seem to be logical. Miniature versions of BDA and BHA with less connectivity and 50% the cost would be great.
Cheers!
Antun
Agreed :thumb:
James
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Agreed :thumb:
James
I'll order the miniature headphone amplifier as soon as it's available!
Cheers!
Antun
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Just to clarify there are two hidden messages in that post
I'm afraid they're lost on me.
I think the smaller 1/3rd size components are a good idea.
I'm not sure how viable it is, but have you ever considered doing a full size modular piece. I mean like your 9b amplifier with "modules" that slide in and out, how about a full size chassis that can take three of the 1/3 size modules, so you could buy the chassis and populate it with a headphone module, dac, and bdp, or just one or two as requirements change.
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...very good input, doveman! i'd say that Bryston could reach more people if for example an integrated is made of modules. not everybody wants a single chassis for this purpose and a single chassis for that purpose just to listen to music.
al.
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Looking forward in seeing the final product James.
I currently am using a pi as my Squeezebox server (my 70k FLAC files are located on another NAS). It is working fine, as I mentioned the music is on a external NAS , but the pi is running the server S/W, and I even installed the squeezebox player software. It is currently is supporting 9 different squeezebox's throughout the house.
I built a 2nd pi for my hunt camp, It too is running both the squeezebox server & squeezebox player S/W, it also has 25k MP3's on a thumbdrive. While I don't have Internet access at the camp, I installed wifi access point S/W on the pi too, so that I can use a old iPAD as a wifi remote control. I have been playing with a HiFIberry amplifier/DAC daughter card , so I can connect speakers directly to the pi. It has turned out to be pretty neat little integrated system that is twice the height as a deck of playing cards and will run off of the 12V DC power we currently have at the camp. I am not sure how robust the amplifier will be when the "hooligans" show up and want to party however........
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new PI
https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-3-on-sale/
In celebration of our fourth birthday, we thought it would be fun to release something new. Accordingly, Raspberry Pi 3 is now on sale for $35 (the same price as the existing Raspberry Pi 2), featuring:
A 1.2GHz 64-bit quad-core ARM Cortex-A53 CPU (~10x the performance of Raspberry Pi 1)
Integrated 802.11n wireless LAN and Bluetooth 4.1
I love my PI, it can be a video playback machine, music playback machine and a retro gaming emulator, simply by swapping the SD card.
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looking quite the stunner :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138330)
Hope it takes big libraries...?
Cheers,
Marius
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I've only tested it with my testing library of 35,000 songs (roughly), it'll handle much more then the BDP-1 but not as much as the 2. We are recommending it to those that have libraries smaller then 60,000 songs and don't need things like gigabit Ethernet. The BDP-2 still outperforms it in most (if not all) aspects of usage. Once we et closer to shipping we will likley release some kind of document comparing the the BDP-1, BDP-2 and BDP-Pi to give customers an idea of which product is most suited for there needs.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138376)
Little Box Big Sound
Built upon the Raspberry Pi and HifiBerry platform, thenew BDP-Pi is faster and more capable than our classic BDP-1 yet fits in a chassis 1/3rd as wide as our full size gear and costs less than half of a flagship BDP-2.
Connect
Virtually any DAC can be connected via the on-boardS/PDIF and Toslink connectors. Also, get ultra high resolution by connecting a USB DAC. You can even connect audio through HDMI.
Your Music
Connect an external USB drive containing your music library, stream your favorite internet radio stations, and enjoy lossless TIDAL streaming all on the BDP-Pi
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Thanks Chris, seems you've come up with something very special. Hope the price will attract the younger public you're aiming at. Should be possible considering the Pi is available for 35$.
For now i think i'll wait for the BDP-3 with the nice Pi-display to arrive.
Cheers,
Marius
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I've only tested it with my testing library of 35,000 songs (roughly), it'll handle much more then the BDP-1 but not as much as the 2. We are recommending it to those that have libraries smaller then 60,000 songs and don't need things like gigabit Ethernet. The BDP-2 still outperforms it in most (if not all) aspects of usage. Once we et closer to shipping we will likley release some kind of document comparing the the BDP-1, BDP-2 and BDP-Pi to give customers an idea of which product is most suited for there needs.
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looking quite the stunner :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138330)
Hope it takes big libraries...?
Cheers,
Marius
Wow, I like the screen, what is it, a fully graphical LCD or OLED? It surprises me to see this on a Bryston product. If it's truly graphical it's to bad this wasn't incorporated on the big BDP's.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138376)
Little Box Big Sound
Built upon the Raspberry Pi and HifiBerry platform, thenew BDP-Pi is faster and more capable than our classic BDP-1 yet fits in a chassis 1/3rd as wide as our full size gear and costs less than half of a flagship BDP-2.
Connect
Virtually any DAC can be connected via the on-boardS/PDIF and Toslink connectors. Also, get ultra high resolution by connecting a USB DAC. You can even connect audio through HDMI.
Your Music
Connect an external USB drive containing your music library, stream your favorite internet radio stations, and enjoy lossless TIDAL streaming all on the BDP-Pi
James,
Will we be able to connect a BOT-1 to the BDP-Pi?
Thanks.
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James,
Will we be able to connect a BOT-1 to the BDP-Pi?
Thanks.
Hi
Yes - but it will not be as fast as the BDP-2 when ripping a CD.
james
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Wow, I like the screen, what is it, a fully graphical LCD or OLED? It surprises me to see this on a Bryston product. If it's truly graphical it's to bad this wasn't incorporated on the big BDP's.
Check on that.
Magic would of course really make its wonders, if it were to be a touch screen, mimicking the mobile interfaces. Thus replacing the current front panel interface, which isn't too user friendly. Judging by the buttons I fear it isn't though?.
Marius
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Wow, I like the screen, what is it, a fully graphical LCD or OLED? It surprises me to see this on a Bryston product. If it's truly graphical it's to bad this wasn't incorporated on the big BDP's.
Hi
No it is NOT a touchsreen - it is just there to show the IP address and can show album art and text etc. It is not really intended to be used when playing music - that is what the Ipad or IPhone or Tablet or Computer is for. The display is just there to help in setup. This product is aimed at a low cost alternative to the BDP-2 and hopefully will allow those on a restricted budget to start getting involved in quality digital playback.
james
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Hi
No it is NOT a touchsreen - it is just there to show the IP address and can show album art and text etc. It is not really intended to be used when playing music - that is what the Ipad or IPhone or Computer is for. The display is just there to help in setup. This product is aimed at a low cost alternative to the BDP-2 and hopefully will allow those on a restricted budget to start getting involved in quality digital playback.
james
So, less capable CPU and networking, but will still include a high quality power supply and optimized software stack for audio performance?
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So, less capable CPU and networking, but will still include a high quality power supply and optimized software stack for audio performance?
Power supply is a WallWart.
We've changed the output stage (Hi Fi Berry Digi+) a bit on the coax out to have a similar output stage as the rest of our line of digital players.
james
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James, can it be controlled via the iPad MPaD & the iPhone MPoD applications?
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James, can it be controlled via the iPad MPaD & the iPhone MPoD applications?
Hi
Yes I believe so but I will check with Chris. I have been using it with Manic Moose.
james
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Hi Folks,
Rear of Bryston BDP-Pi
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138385)
james
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Hi
No it is NOT a touchsreen - it is just there to show the IP address and can show album art and text etc. It is not really intended to be used when playing music - that is what the Ipad or IPhone or Tablet or Computer is for. The display is just there to help in setup. This product is aimed at a low cost alternative to the BDP-2 and hopefully will allow those on a restricted budget to start getting involved in quality digital playback.
james
To bad it wasn't touchscreen. Would come in handy if one's main source of navigation was out of commission. A graphical touch screen would be orders of magnitude better than having to navigate via the hard buttons and decades old style 2 line text display currently available. Just having the new screen regardless of it being touchscreen makes it immediately more elegant and attractive to the eye in my opinion compared to the BDP1's and BDP-2.
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Hi Folks,
Rear of Bryston BDP-Pi
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138385)
james
HDMI out, very interesting.
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To bad it wasn't touchscreen. Would come in handy if one's main source of navigation was out of commission. A graphical touch screen would be orders of magnitude better than having to navigate via the hard buttons and decades old style 2 line text display currently available. Just having the new screen regardless of it being touchscreen makes it immediately more elegant and attractive to the eye in my opinion compared to the BDP1's and BDP-2.
Plus a quality touch screen adds lots of costs.
james
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So, from the Rear Panel image view, it looks like it supports two USB buses?
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To bad it wasn't touchscreen. Would come in handy if one's main source of navigation was out of commission. A graphical touch screen would be orders of magnitude better than having to navigate via the hard buttons and decades old style 2 line text display currently available. Just having the new screen regardless of it being touchscreen makes it immediately more elegant and attractive to the eye in my opinion compared to the BDP1's and BDP-2.
I think you guys overestimate how big that screen is, it's 1.5" diagonal. It's resolution is 160x128 pixels, basically it's the smallest display we could find that wouldn't break the bank. Personally I find finger prints all over my display to be the opposite of elegant, one mans opinion.
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So, from the Rear Panel image view, it looks like it supports two USB buses?
One and the Ethernet runs off of it aswell
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The BDP Pi is meant to behave identically to any other BDP product, it shares all lot of the same code.
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would this unit sound as good as a BDP-2 with a BDA-2? Just curious as Im wanting a dedicated cd player but if I could have everything at my finger tips that would be great if the SQ was just as good.
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would this unit sound as good as a BDP-2 with a BDA-2? Just curious as Im wanting a dedicated cd player but if I could have everything at my finger tips that would be great if the SQ was just as good.
That's a difficult question, personally I like the BDP-pi's sound; but I'm the same guy who can't tell the difference between the BDP-1 and BDP-2.
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Hi Guys,
Any idea of an estimated RRP? Btw totally not worried about touch screen that is why I use an iPad with my BDP 1. Really glad that you are making a cheaper product to get people into this format of music. I'm super happy since I shelved my cdp.
Cheers Rod
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Hi Guys,
Any idea of an estimated RRP? Btw totally not worried about touch screen that is why I use an iPad with my BDP 1. Really glad that you are making a cheaper product to get people into this format of music. I'm super happy since I shelved my cdp.
Cheers Rod
there are still a bunch of unknowns, but this could be be the least expensive piece we make (not including the remotes).
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HI Chris,
Appreciated, and easy to follow.
But why then bother in the first place? If it only shows some basic information, a jpeg, and does that even in that very small resolution, you could have easily left it out, and saved quite a bit on the production costs, and consequently the msrp. reaching out to an even bigger audience?
Maybe even take out all buttons... only a few die-hards use those i suspect?
Cheers,
Marius
I think you guys overestimate how big that screen is, it's 1.5" diagonal. It's resolution is 160x128 pixels, basically it's the smallest display we could find that wouldn't break the bank. Personally I find finger prints all over my display to be the opposite of elegant, one mans opinion.
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it better be indeed, i get the impression you overestimate the pockets of the audience you seek... ;-)
I've got 4 of those in my family, and they are far from able to invest half the price of the current BDP, as James mentioned before. Let alone hooking it up to a serious setup. And they are used to some serious listening at home ...
Cheers,
Marius
there are still a bunch of unknowns, but this could be be the least expensive piece we make (not including the remotes).
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...the optical out can do 192/24?
al.
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...the optical out can do 192/24?
al.
No just 96/24 on optical. Coax can do 192/24 as well as USB.
james
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it better be indeed, i get the impression you overestimate the pockets of the audience you seek... ;-)
I've got 4 of those in my family, and they are far from able to invest half the price of the current BDP, as James mentioned before. Let alone hooking it up to a serious setup. And they are used to some serious listening at home ...
Cheers,
Marius
Hi Marius
Well I hope it appeals to a larger younger audience - we shall see - but based on the announcement we have over 50 orders already. :thumb:
Also the ability to see the IP address was the main reason for the display as that seems to be the biggest hurtle for most people trying to connect to there hand held devices.
james
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Well I hope it appeals to a larger younger audience - we shall see - but based on the announcement we have over 50 orders already. :thumb:
More than just a younger audience, I think! I have a paltry library of high resolution material (maybe a couple dozen), and at this point can't justify the cost of adding a BDP-2 (as great of a product as it may be).
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More than just a younger audience, I think! I have a paltry library of high resolution material (maybe a couple dozen), and at this point can't justify the cost of adding a BDP-2 (as great of a product as it may be).
Hi
Yes that's a good point as people that are thinking about going down the digital road can give it a try without having to spend thousands of dollars :thumb:
james
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I think you guys overestimate how big that screen is, it's 1.5" diagonal. It's resolution is 160x128 pixels, basically it's the smallest display we could find that wouldn't break the bank. Personally I find finger prints all over my display to be the opposite of elegant, one mans opinion.
Make that two men's opinions. I don't even touch my equipment without putting on a pair of white cotton gloves. I have two pairs sitting on my rack at all times. Touch my equipment with bare hands :nono:
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Hi
Yes that's a good point as people that are thinking about going down the digital road can give it a try without having to spend thousands of dollars :thumb:
james
AKA "Gateway Drug" :lol:
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Perhaps this is one product that should be priced closed to cost, not a revenue targeted product but one to put Bryston into more homes and systems than ever before, building brand recognition for a broader and new generation of client. Tighter pricing would make it more appealing to a wider consumer audience.
Hi
Yes that's a good point as people that are thinking about going down the digital road can give it a try without having to spend thousands of dollars :thumb:
james
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Perhaps this is one product that should be priced closed to cost, not a revenue targeted product but one to put Bryston into more homes and systems than ever before, building brand recognition for a broader and new generation of client. Tighter pricing would make it more appealing to a wider consumer audience.
Yes I agree and we are really tight to the wire on this one. Our accountant has ban me from his office.
james
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Is there a way to build in compatibility to the MPS2 so that the wall wart can be optional for those that don't have a Bryston power supply? Maybe even just an adaptor cable that allows use with an MPA2b?
Power supply is a WallWart.
We've changed the output stage (Hi Fi Berry Digi+) a bit on the coax out to have a similar output stage as the rest of our line of digital players.
james
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Lol. Good work James. You can always still text the bean counters.
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Is there a way to build in compatibility to the MPS2 so that the wall wart can be optional for those that don't have a Bryston power supply? Maybe even just an adaptor cable that allows use with an MPA2b?
We are looking at that so it may be possible - still testing.
james
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Maybe even take out all buttons... only a few die-hards use those i suspect?
I use the Play/Pause buttons all of the time, like when the phone rings and I need to pause the music (faster than reaching for an app).
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I use the Play/Pause buttons all of the time, like when the phone rings and I need to pause the music (faster than reaching for an app).
Lol, so do i, it usually is the only option to get the BDP out of a stuck and hanging state. ;-)
On/off button used mostly here.
Btw, don't u have the BR2 remote ? That's a real bonus , controlling the bdp, bda, bcd and bp26!
Especially for those unexpected phone calls ...
Cheers
Marius
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Would have been nice to have had a USB port on the front like the other player.
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Removed
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Hi James!
I take it there will be no dedicated audio board inside like in the BDP-2 and the original BDP-1 and that all processing will be done on the Raspberry itself? If that is the case, how did you manage to implement coaxial and optical outputs, by adding a "daughter board" of a sort or by modifying the Raspberry itself?
One other thing, now that Bryston is trying to broaden it's appeal to younger public, you mentioned a miniature 1/3rd size headphone amplifier would be a nice addition to the Bryston "mini" range. Is this amplifier going to become a reality at some point?
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi James!
I take it there will be no dedicated audio board inside like in the BDP-2 and the original BDP-1 and that all processing will be done on the Raspberry itself? If that is the case, how did you manage to implement coaxial and optical outputs, by adding a "daughter board" of a sort or by modifying the Raspberry itself?
One other thing, now that Bryston is trying to broaden it's appeal to younger public, you mentioned a miniature 1/3rd size headphone amplifier would be a nice addition to the Bryston "mini" range. Is this amplifier going to become a reality at some point?
Cheers!
Antun
Hi Antun
I believe the Raspberry has the connections you mentioned on the main board. We did do some modifications there though.
James
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Hi Antun
I believe the Raspberry has the connections you mentioned on the main board. We did do some modifications there though.
James
Thanks James! :thumb:
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Would have been nice to have had a USB port on the front like the other player.
The raspberry pi board doesn't really allow for this, we had thought about running a cable out the back to plug into one of the rear facing USB ports, but thought it might look a little hokey.
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Hi James!
I take it there will be no dedicated audio board inside like in the BDP-2 and the original BDP-1 and that all processing will be done on the Raspberry itself? If that is the case, how did you manage to implement coaxial and optical outputs, by adding a "daughter board" of a sort or by modifying the Raspberry itself?
One other thing, now that Bryston is trying to broaden it's appeal to younger public, you mentioned a miniature 1/3rd size headphone amplifier would be a nice addition to the Bryston "mini" range. Is this amplifier going to become a reality at some point?
Cheers!
Antun
One of the benefits of using an arm based solution is that they have these massive GPIO headers and some of them (like the one we are using) are capable of outputing a I2S signal. So we partnered with HiFi Berry who already has a ton of experience with this to build a digital output device for th BDP-π.
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Are you using the latest pi board that has Bluetooth and wifi built-in?
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One of the benefits of using an arm based solution is that they have these massive GPIO headers and some of them (like the one we are using) are capable of outputing a I2S signal. So we partnered with HiFi Berry who already has a ton of experience with this to build a digital output device for th BDP-π.
All that sounds wonderful... I want one. When will this be available?
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Are you using the latest pi board that has Bluetooth and wifi built-in?
Likely, but it depends on availability, it's also sitting in a steal enclosure and I can't imagine we are going to change our stance on wireless.
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All that sounds wonderful... I want one. When will this be available?
could be as early as 2 months
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Hi,
Do you think the performance will equal the BDP 1? I think it will be great to have a more affordable product for the masses to purchase. I'm very happy with my BDP 1.
Cheers Rod
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One of the benefits of using an arm based solution is that they have these massive GPIO headers and some of them (like the one we are using) are capable of outputing a I2S signal. So we partnered with HiFi Berry who already has a ton of experience with this to build a digital output device for th BDP-π.
I2S over HDMI cable...?
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Hi,
Do you think the performance will equal the BDP 1? I think it will be great to have a more affordable product for the masses to purchase. I'm very happy with my BDP 1.
Cheers Rod
Faster then the BDP-1, not as fast as the BDP-2
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I2S over HDMI cable...?
Currently HDMI audio is limited to 48Khz/16bit, we may invest some time into unlocking this; but with USB already available it's a very low priority for us.
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Currently HDMI audio is limited to 48Khz/16bit, we may invest some time into unlocking this; but with USB already available it's a very low priority for us.
Chris,
I take it you speak about hdmi audio on the bdp-PI only being 16 bit? HDMI audio from sacd/bluray fed into the BDA3 is 24 bit isn't it?
Cheers,
Marius
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Chris,
I take it you speak about hdmi audio on the bdp-PI only being 16 bit? HDMI audio from sacd/bluray fed into the BDA3 is 24 bit isn't it?
Cheers,
Marius
Correct, there doesn't seem to be much out there about it but the pi fundation apparently limits it due the integrated analog section will cause a kernel panic if it goes higher. There is some info on how to recompile the kernel modules to get around this, but you still have to be careful not to output to the analog section if you do this. Disabling the modules for the analog section also disables the audio for the hdmi so we would need to modify our software that configure audio devices as well. Ultimately there aren't to many HDMI two channel DAC's out there and the ones that do exist also have a nice USB interface. The main reason why we included the HDMI connection was that the additional cost is very cheap and tidal may in the future allow us access to stream there music video's.
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AKA "Gateway Drug" :lol:
Could be, though I really haven't encountered a life altering experience listening via the two DACs I have. Could be equipment limitations, of course, but I'm hard pressed to tell the differences between the 16/44 (or cd) recordings vs the 24/96. I'm open to be proven wrong, though! My comparisons so far have been Sonny Rollins' Saxophone Colossus (HD tracks vs cd), Patricia Barber's Verse (same), and a couple years' worth of Linn's free Christmas downloads (16/44 vs 24/96 or higher).
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Currently HDMI audio is limited to 48Khz/16bit, we may invest some time into unlocking this; but with USB already available it's a very low priority for us.
The HDMI cable is just the method of connection for the I2S setup. Super low/no jitter being the objective.
I believe it to be hi-res capable. Both PS Audio and Wyred4Sound currently use it - I do not believe it's proprietary.
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Try Shelby Lynne Just a Little Lovin. The differences are not huge they are in the subtleties. The Hi Res sounds more relaxed, less aggressive in the treble. Treble details are finer, dynamics sound less forced and there is more to hear in shadings and tonal colours. That said with the track I find the cd 16/44.1 to portray a greater sense of excitement, given its harder sound but there is no denying that the Hi Res is more finessed. The trouble getting true hires masters of the very same cd recording.
Could be, though I really haven't encountered a life altering experience listening via the two DACs I have. Could be equipment limitations, of course, but I'm hard pressed to tell the differences between the 16/44 (or cd) recordings vs the 24/96. I'm open to be proven wrong, though! My comparisons so far have been Sonny Rollins' Saxophone Colossus (HD tracks vs cd), Patricia Barber's Verse (same), and a couple years' worth of Linn's free Christmas downloads (16/44 vs 24/96 or higher).
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Try Shelby Lynne Just a Little Lovin. The differences are not huge they are in the subtleties. The Hi Res sounds more relaxed, less aggressive in the treble. Treble details are finer, dynamics sound less forced and there is more to hear in shadings and tonal colours. That said with the track I find the cd 16/44.1 to portray a greater sense of excitement, given its harder sound but there is no denying that the Hi Res is more finessed. The trouble getting true hires masters of the very same cd recording.
Is your comparison between the ripped CD and the high resolution files playing through the BDP? Or CD player vs high resolution? I have that album on vinyl currently, and it's stellar.
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My comparison is both versions in Flac on my Pc played through my Squeezebox Touch with the high resolution arch. My Simaudio DAC confirms resolutions.
Is your comparison between the ripped CD and the high resolution files playing through the BDP? Or CD player vs high resolution? I have that album on vinyl currently, and it's stellar.
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Couldn't resist.
Even Donald Duck (or Willy Wortel as he's called overhere) is awaiting your latest.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138857)
Cheers Marius
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139047)
james
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I like the idea of this thing. Something simpler for those of us with less than 30,000 songs. However, it does look like the other half is missing. :D But, that's not going to prevent me from acquiring one.
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I like the idea of this thing. Something simpler for those of us with less than 30,000 songs. However, it does look like the other half is missing. :D But, that's not going to prevent me from acquiring one.
Hi
I have about 41,000 songs on mine now and no issues. The power supply is a wallwart so thats whats missing from the picture.
james
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Hi
I have about 41,000 songs on mine now and no issues. The power supply is a wallwart so thats whats missing from the picture.
james
How does it sound, compared with the BDP-1/2?
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How does it sound, compared with the BDP-1/2?
It sounds different than the BDP-2.
It is a bit more forward sounding, a little more 'digital' in its tonal balance and the tonal balance seems a little tipped up. But I think its a great introduction to digital audio for those on a budget.
james
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Hi Folks,
Here is a picture of the Bryston Pi Digital Player internals with the modifications we have implemented:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=139237)
Bryston Pi Mods
1. Power regulator circuit that accepts 7-14 volts, AC or DC from a 2.5mm barrel connector. This circuit also contains over voltage protection/indication and under voltage indication. Indication is provided by a rear mounted LED and the brightness can be adjusted by way of a pot mounted behind the LED.
2. Bryston output stage for a clean strong signal and impedance matching.
3. The HiFiBerry Digi+ circuit, based around the Wolfson WM8804 digital interface transceiver.
4. Peripheral connector for display, buttons and IR receiver.
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New video on Bryston Pi.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ml1uq1v8klyii45/BDP%CF%80%20v2.m4v?dl=0
james
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Would the performance be better with usb compared to optical or toslink digital?
Compared to original BDP-1 , is the sound quality comparable?
Any optional power supplies to be available to replace wall wart basic power supply?
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Would the performance be better with usb compared to optical or toslink digital?
Compared to original BDP-1 , is the sound quality comparable?
Any optional power supplies to be available to replace wall wart basic power supply?
Hi
The BDP-1 is going to sound better in my opinion.
The Pi can be used with the MPS-2 but not with USB drives that are not powered. OK with a NAS or Thumb drives or powered USB drives.
We are looking at making the new Phono Power supply be able to work with the Pi but will be a while.
james
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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BDP%CF%80/BDP%CF%80.m4v (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BDP%CF%80/BDP%CF%80.m4v)
higher-res and fixes an unexpected delay on slide 8
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I think the cheaper endpoint option is a good move. If it has support for Roon, I'd buy one (or two).
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Hi
The BDP-1 is going to sound better in my opinion.
The Pi can be used with the MPS-2 but not with USB drives that are not powered. OK with a NAS or Thumb drives or powered USB drives.
We are looking at making the new Phono Power supply be able to work with the Pi but will be a while.
james
Hi James will a SSD external work fine with it and do you prefer USB over coaxial? I haven't heard coaxial yet that is why I am asking.
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Hi James will a SSD external work fine with it and do you prefer USB over coaxial? I haven't heard coaxial yet that is why I am asking.
Hi Jimmy
SSD's will probably not work unless it is powered
I find on the Pi they sound very similar.
james
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It sounds different than the BDP-2.
It is a bit more forward sounding, a little more 'digital' in its tonal balance and the tonal balance seems a little tipped up. But I think its a great introduction to digital audio for those on a budget.
james
Did you use the BDA-2 or 3 when trying the Pi out? I just ordered the BDA-2 today and waiting for the Pi to come out if the sound quality is as good as the USB-1 I heard.
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The BDP pi sounds really nice and interesting!
I have not had any of such audio player so far but I´m looking into buying one since some weeks. Most players are not what I´m looking for or way above my limit. The pi seems the perfect budget player with additional functions.
Some questions:
How is the pi controlled using a tablet, by app or browser?
It seems you also could use an IR remote. What means that IR socket at the rear of the pi?
What functions could be controlled by the IR remote?
Regarding use of USB devices, what would be the limit of current draw? I personally use Samsung SSD which have replaced most of my HDDs. Their 850 Evo seems drawing very little power, 30mW idle and around 2W reading/writing.
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Interesting new device, but not sure why the BDP-USB was discontinued. Can you elaborate?
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Did you use the BDA-2 or 3 when trying the Pi out? I just ordered the BDA-2 today and waiting for the Pi to come out if the sound quality is as good as the USB-1 I heard.
HI
Used both with good results.
james
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No replies to my questions?
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The BDP pi sounds really nice and interesting!
I have not had any of such audio player so far but I´m looking into buying one since some weeks. Most players are not what I´m looking for or way above my limit. The pi seems the perfect budget player with additional functions.
Some questions:
How is the pi controlled using a tablet, by app or browser?
It seems you also could use an IR remote. What means that IR socket at the rear of the pi?
What functions could be controlled by the IR remote?
Regarding use of USB devices, what would be the limit of current draw? I personally use Samsung SSD which have replaced most of my HDDs. Their 850 Evo seems drawing very little power, 30mW idle and around 2W reading/writing.
Sorry 25 just saw this - thanks for the poke.
You can use your computer or your phone or a laptop or a tablet to control. I use an IPAD which is very popular but I recently bought one of those windows non-fan light weight units and it works great as well. The Pi is a Linux operating system so there are many third party Apps you can use for control and the is a built in Bryston Web GUI which I use all the time now. The Bryston BR2 remote can be used but it has limited functions - I would recommend a tablet.
I am not sure on the total wattage or amperage but I will let Chris answer that one. I have never had an issue with any of my SSD USB or Sata drives.
james
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The BDP pi sounds really nice and interesting!
I have not had any of such audio player so far but I´m looking into buying one since some weeks. Most players are not what I´m looking for or way above my limit. The pi seems the perfect budget player with additional functions.
Some questions:
How is the pi controlled using a tablet, by app or browser?
It seems you also could use an IR remote. What means that IR socket at the rear of the pi?
What functions could be controlled by the IR remote?
Regarding use of USB devices, what would be the limit of current draw? I personally use Samsung SSD which have replaced most of my HDDs. Their 850 Evo seems drawing very little power, 30mW idle and around 2W reading/writing.
You should be able to power one USB drive off the unit, we've currently tested 1TB Seagate that draws about 500mA. The BDP Pi has a IR receiver on the front of the unit which which can be used with the Bryston BR2 remote or an Apple Remote (limited testing on functionality). The IR TX connector on the rear of the unit is for connecting an IR LED accessory (i believe this is being included with the product), this will allow you to control other Bryston products from the BDP-Pi. This functionality will initially be limited, but a feature that will be expanded as we develop the software. The IR is directly connected to the Linux computer so we have more control over remote capability and can release support for additional remotes by way of software updates.
Cheers,
Chris
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Thanks that sounds really good.
Yes a tablet may have more functions, but if there is an incoming phone call or you just wanna skip to next song an oldschool remote is much easier to use I think. At least I personally would like to use a remote additional, so it´s good the Pi could use this.
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Sorry 25 just saw this - thanks for the poke.
You can use your computer or your phone or a laptop or a tablet to control. I use an IPAD which is very popular but I recently bought one of those windows non-fan light weight units and it works great as well. The Pi is a Linux operating system so there are many third party Apps you can use for control and the is a built in Bryston Web GUI which I use all the time now. The Bryston BR2 remote can be used but it has limited functions - I would recommend a tablet.
I am not sure on the total wattage or amperage but I will let Chris answer that one. I have never had an issue with any of my SSD USB or Sata drives.
james
Hi James do you have release date and price (approximately)for the bdp-pi?
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Hi James do you have release date and price (approximately)for the bdp-pi?
Chris delivered the final prototype to my office today so we should be up and running by mid May.
Hope to come in around $1200
james
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Could you please explain why the BDP1-USB was discontinued? Did you believe it was a choice between offering the BDP-pi or the USB, or was there a production issue with the USB?
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Could you please explain why the BDP1-USB was discontinued? Did you believe it was a choice between offering the BDP-pi or the USB, or was there a production issue with the USB?
Primarily we didn't want people buying BDP-1USB's within a short period of time from the release of the BDP-Pi. The BDP-Pi should be a more capable unit then the BDP-1USB at a much lower price point. $1200 vs what would likley now be $2000.
The Pi is more powerful then the AMD Geode CPU in all lot of ways that matter and it has 4x the system memory and had SPDIF coax and toslink out.
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Primarily we didn't want people buying BDP-1USB's within a short period of time from the release of the BDP-Pi. The BDP-Pi should be a more capable unit then the BDP-1USB at a much lower price point. $1200 vs what would likley now be $2000.
The Pi is more powerful then the AMD Geode CPU in all lot of ways that matter and it has 4x the system memory and had SPDIF coax and toslink out.
Features/capability seems like a clear advantage for the pi. From a sound quality perspective, which is my main concern? James stated earlier in this topic the regular BDP1 would sound better than the BDP pi. Not sure if that comment carries over to the BDP1-USB or not for systems using usb out.
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Chris delivered the final prototype to my office today so we should be up and running by mid May.
Hope to come in around $1200
james
Will the mps-2 be able to power it?
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Will the mps-2 be able to power it?
Yes, but not it and a USB bus powered hard drive
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Yes, but not it and a USB bus powered hard drive
Sorry I didnt understand what you wrote and can you please tell me will it have airplay?
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Sorry I didnt understand what you wrote and can you please tell me will it have airplay?
The MPS-2 can power just the BDP-Pi, if you plug in a USB drive that draws power from the USB port if won't work. no it won't have official airplay capability
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HI
Missed this before: Visiting Bryston at Montreal Salon Audio https://www.hifiberry.com/2016/03/visit ... lon-audio/ (https://www.hifiberry.com/2016/03/visiting-bryston-at-montreal-salon-audio/) nice!
Starting to build my own Raspberry just for fun, i need to decide to go for the Digi+ or DAC+ https://www.hifiberry.com/product/hifiberry-dac-pro/ (https://www.hifiberry.com/product/hifiberry-dac-pro/) option.
The latter would spare me the extra DAC also, so would be an even bigger jump in cost and complexity compared to the big setup of BDA and BDP. 100 E and about for a complete hires system is worth the try isn't it?
Can connect to the BP26 directly and to my older Quad set which doesn't have a Dac yet, to stream minim server on the NAS. Volumio even has native AirPlay support which is a nice extra.Or, am i missing something here? This Raspberry DAC+version will be able to act as the renderer, and decode into the Amp directly?
As described with the DIGI+ on http://www.hifizine.com/2015/10/pifi-ho ... ry-part-1/ (http://www.hifizine.com/2015/10/pifi-how-to-network-your-mac-music-system-with-the-raspberry-pi-and-hifiberry-part-1/)
Cheers,
Marius
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HI
Missed this before: Visiting Bryston at Montreal Salon Audio https://www.hifiberry.com/2016/03/visit ... lon-audio/ (https://www.hifiberry.com/2016/03/visiting-bryston-at-montreal-salon-audio/) nice!
Starting to build my own Raspberry just for fun, i need to decide to go for the Digi+ or DAC+ https://www.hifiberry.com/product/hifiberry-dac-pro/ (https://www.hifiberry.com/product/hifiberry-dac-pro/) option.
... to stream minim server on the NAS. Volumio even has native AirPlay support which is a nice extra.
http://www.hifizine.com/2015/10/pifi-ho ... ry-part-1/ (http://www.hifizine.com/2015/10/pifi-how-to-network-your-mac-music-system-with-the-raspberry-pi-and-hifiberry-part-1/)
Cheers,
Marius
Volumio + MinimServer is a thing of beauty. I have a Cubox-iPro4 that was slightly more expensive that what you quote - $139, plus I added an iFi-Audio iPower 5v, which was another $49.00. I can stream via Wi-Fi at 192/24 and output via TOSLINK to my DAC - sounds wonderful.
I am surprised that the BDP-Pi won't support 192/24 via optical out, but maybe the Cubox-i's Freescale MXi processor and board support package makes something work better with the TOSLINK output.
Additionally, to experiment, I imaged Signalyst's HQ Player's Network Audio Adapter (NAA) on a second micro SD card and tried that with Roon. That combination is an amazing piece of software.
It's great time to be a computer nerd and an audiophile... there are so many options out there, it's incredible!
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I am surprised that the BDP-Pi won't support 192/24 via optical out, but maybe the Cubox-i's Freescale MXi processor and board support package makes something work better with the TOSLINK output.
Toslink in general doesn't reliably support anything over 96khz, i don't think bryston has ever officially supported anything over 96khz via toslink for this reason.
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What I have a hard time understanding and come from a Cyrus transport isnt digital data just 1-0's? I know it cant be that simple as different transport sound different but why shouldn't they sound the same but the Dac be the determining factor. If this isnt going to sound as good as the USB-1 why not keep that in the line up and have it made to order?
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HI Ken,
What to test: Rasperry + Dac+ (all in a box) or Raspberry + Digi+ (still needing the external DAC).
Am i right assuming the DAC+ will run the Volumio+Minimserver just as well, while at the same time being able to decode?
Cheers,
Marius
Volumio + MinimServer is a thing of beauty. I have a Cubox-iPro4 that was slightly more expensive that what you quote - $139, plus I added an iFi-Audio iPower 5v, which was another $49.00. I can stream via Wi-Fi at 192/24 and output via TOSLINK to my DAC - sounds wonderful.
I am surprised that the BDP-Pi won't support 192/24 via optical out, but maybe the Cubox-i's Freescale MXi processor and board support package makes something work better with the TOSLINK output.
Additionally, to experiment, I imaged Signalyst's HQ Player's Network Audio Adapter (NAA) on a second micro SD card and tried that with Roon. That combination is an amazing piece of software.
It's great time to be a computer nerd and an audiophile... there are so many options out there, it's incredible!
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HI Ken,
What to test: Rasperry + Dac+ (all in a box) or Raspberry + Digi+ (still needing the external DAC).
Am i right assuming the DAC+ will run the Volumio+Minimserver just as well, while at the same time being able to decode?
Cheers,
Marius
Up to you, of course... if you already have a nice DAC, like a Bryston, you would want to use it, no?
I think the R-Pi + DAC options (e.g. IQaudIO) are best suited for secondary listening rooms, where space is a premium and you just want one small box.
EDIT: to answer your question, however: you will need a separate computer to run MinimServer, with Volumio running on the Pi+DAC. Volumio has pre-built images on their web site. Similar for MinimServer, but you need a real platform to run it. Many have success running MinimServer on popular NAS boxes, like QNap and Synology. I run my instance on an older Mac Mini.
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Thanks Ken,
And indeed, i have minim server running on my Nas, and the Pi will start in the secondary listening room. Pi+DAC+ it wil be for starters then. If it works out fine, ill just add a Pi + Digi+ for the main room ;)
btw, my NAs is to simple a processor for Plex to run as it should, transcoding subtitels et all. Maybe a second Raspberry could be working as a server, for Plex and Minim server, reading from my Nas, and serving to the rendering raspberry+Dac.
That way i could solve both my NAs issues (too slow, not powerful enough), and experiment with the Pi for under 200 euro;s. Magic!
Cheers,
Marius
Up to you, of course... if you already have a nice DAC, like a Bryston, you would want to use it, no?
I think the R-Pi + DAC options (e.g. IQaudIO) are best suited for secondary listening rooms, where space is a premium and you just want one small box.
EDIT: to answer your question, however: you will need a separate computer to run MinimServer, with Volumio running on the Pi+DAC. Volumio has pre-built images on their web site. Similar for MinimServer, but you need a real platform to run it. Many have success running MinimServer on popular NAS boxes, like QNap and Synology. I run my instance on an older Mac Mini.
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Unfortunately the BDP pi will cost double here in Europe than what it will cost in Canada... The BDP 2 does about €4200 I think. So the Pi will end up hugging €1800 - €2000.
I still want one though. I guess I'll have to look for non Mafico related channels...
Does it stream radio? If so, which service is used? Receiva, TuneIn, any other?
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Thanks Ken,
And indeed, i have minim server running on my Nas, and the Pi will start in the secondary listening room. Pi+DAC+ it wil be for starters then. If it works out fine, ill just add a Pi + Digi+ for the main room ;)
Cheers,
Marius
I am really hoping to do something like that with a BDP-Pi, but Bryston has to fix/update the DLNA rendering component in their software stack.
In the meantime, I will likely just use MPD playback with NAS or a big USB thumb drive (I don't want any spinning rust in my living room :nono: )
Ken
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which of course is ridiculous indeed, and unfortunately reason enough it won't match Bryston's goals of reaching a wider audience, at least not in Europe. That's why i'll try the real raspberry. We'll get that for about 100 euros, complete with dac.. difficult to beat.
Minim has streaming radio built in, so that might be an interesting option, as is the native Airplay support, with which you can stream your Tunein radio feed into the raspberry setup.
cheers,
Marius
Unfortunately the BDP pi will cost double here in Europe than what it will cost in Canada... The BDP 2 does about €4200 I think. So the Pi will end up hugging €1800 - €2000.
I still want one though. I guess I'll have to look for non Mafico related channels...
Does it stream radio? If so, which service is used? Receiva, TuneIn, any other?
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I am really hoping to do something like that with a BDP-Pi, but Bryston has to fix/update the DLNA rendering component in their software stack.
Did this stop working for you?
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Does it stream radio? If so, which service is used? Receiva, TuneIn, any other?
It'll do shoutcast and it will retail in North America for about a bit more then a third the price as the BDP-2
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which of course is ridiculous indeed, and unfortunately reason enough it won't match Bryston's goals of reaching a wider audience, at least not in Europe. That's why i'll try the real raspberry. We'll get that for about 100 euros, complete with dac.. difficult to beat.
Minim has streaming radio built in, so that might be an interesting option, as is the native Airplay support, with which you can stream your Tunein radio feed into the raspberry setup.
cheers,
Marius
It will, what your doing and what the BDP-Pi is are two different things. The BDP products have never been something to replace a diy solution, they are for those who want something ready to go and doesn't need to be built and configured. A BDP-Pi is a box you pull out of the box wire your leads to it and your done you have the software and hardware preconfigured for audio playback, sending and receiving IR, display for information and an interface for playing music. There is no need for buying seperate parts, assembly of circuit boards, chassis mods, dremels, installing of an operating system or command line configuration. There's nothing wrong with what your putting together and the best of luck with that, but these two pieces are geared towards two different needs is all.
Cheers
Chris
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Did this stop working for you?
Thanks for the reply, Chris. As I posted earlier, it somewhat works.
I cannot playback any AAC files (renderer just hangs), but can work around this with MinimStreamer and transcoding to WAV24 on-the-fly. Same issue with Apple Lossless files (ALAC); just hangs. FLAC and MP3 playback fine.
The bigger issue with transcoding to WAV is that gapless doesn't always work - sometime it does, sometimes it doesn't and you get a tick between tracks, which never happens with MPD playback.
Another issue: I have some M3U playlists that mix tracks with different sample rates (e.g. transition from 44.1 to 48 or 96kHz). On these playlists, the renderer will hang when transitioning to the next track. I went through a debugging process with the author of MinimServer, sent him logs and he concluded that the renderer (BDP w/ gmediarender) would stop responding.
Finally, and this is subjective, but gemediarender really doesn't sound as good as MPD (Google this, you will see that I am not alone in questioning the sound quality of that component). The BDP magic really happens, IMO, with MPD playback. If you could wire-in Upmpdci (MPD UPnP Renderer Front-End) I think Bryston would have the ultimate network streamer that would sound every bit as great as with USB playback, but with fantastic network server and control point (apps) support.
Just my $0.02...
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HI Chris,
Appreciate your post. Thanks for that, and i of course fully understand the Bryston Pi and the Raspberry Pi are two different beasts.
That being said, you claim to aim the Bryston Pi for a wider,newer, even younger public. Based on market experience on this side of the pond, i think it is very doubtful that a price of around 1800 euro (if the Pi will be that cheap) is helpful in reaching that goal. Especially considering the Bryston PI is only part of a solution. Still needing a DAC and amp of course (but so does the Raspberry Dac+).
My experiment with the Raspberry Pi comes from an other angel all together, and the availability of the Digi+ and Dac+ add-on cards were mere extra;s for me, and unintendedly enable me to try to build a digital music machine myself (next to some other projects the educational Raspberry was designed for in the first place. Even automate my house with it seems within grasps now, so a wonderful machine to test and try.)
I do feel you unduly overstress the DIY character of the Raspberry, since it only consists of clicking the add-on card to the mainboard, and clicking that handsome combo in the box.
To be honest, Manic Moose entails much more DIY operation than i would have thought, and hoped it to be, for a state to the art, and steeply expensive machine the BDP's are. There's no way i can hope that a non computer savvy user can ever use the BDP with success, the way a Cd player can. MM still is a piece of software in its developing phase, aimed at the many faced challenges the digital music industry constantly develops.
I for myself am very willing to endure all that technical hassle, for the music coming out of it can sound miraculously fine, but every so often i am hard pressed to hear the difference with a well recorded cd. Having all library under the press of a few buttons then is the ultimate convenience or course, and a main advantage over every other system.
A lot of work still needs to be done on the MM software front though. The development i anxiously follow, and try to aid commenting on the betas you so frequently produce, which is great.
For that, i am also very willing to test the Raspberry PI, and experience its sound quality. The absolute winner might well be the Bryston Pi/BDP (though that remains to be seen), but the relative winner will certainly be no slough, for a mere 7-10% of the cost (depending on wherever one lives or buys).
So, 2 different beasts, each of which is able to satisfy the DIY minded, both aimed at their own specific audience. I am sure both can live in fruitful harmony! At least in this household.
Cheers
Marius
It will, what your doing and what the BDP-Pi is are two different things. The BDP products have never been something to replace a diy solution, they are for those who want something ready to go and doesn't need to be built and configured. A BDP-Pi is a box you pull out of the box wire your leads to it and your done you have the software and hardware preconfigured for audio playback, sending and receiving IR, display for information and an interface for playing music. There is no need for buying seperate parts, assembly of circuit boards, chassis mods, dremels, installing of an operating system or command line configuration. There's nothing wrong with what your putting together and the best of luck with that, but these two pieces are geared towards two different needs is all.
Cheers
Chris
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Features/capability seems like a clear advantage for the pi. From a sound quality perspective, which is my main concern? James stated earlier in this topic the regular BDP1 would sound better than the BDP pi. Not sure if that comment carries over to the BDP1-USB or not for systems using usb out.
With James stating earlier that the BDP1 sounded better than the BDP pi , most likely means that it applies to BDP1 USB as well as if I understand it correctly BDP1 USB was a BDP1 without sound card at all. So for me the question would be if I hook up BDP pi with usb directly to Dac will I get better performance than using toslink or coax digital connection. For me sound quality be more of a concern compared to features.
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Toslink in general doesn't reliably support anything over 96khz, i don't think bryston has ever officially supported anything over 96khz via toslink for this reason.
Chris,
i always thought the BDA-1 supports 192/24 via its optical inputs?!?
al.
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Well ...
after my last Computer Ordeal (I hate them)
I need to Verify things better as the next Bryston step getting closer
And unavoidable.
And I need to think what will be the next solution for my two setups.
I Wish BDP's OS were simple strait farward (ordeal free) as CD's but to me it looks like
they ain't totaly as so.
But ... after spending time with BDA2 and 3's it's hard loosing computer file handling
versatility,and library accebilties features by going back to CD :(
1)
we got the note that the BDP Pi is not SQ wise the same as the bigger BDP's.
But how it's compare sound wise to computer ... Let say MACBook pro SSD,
If the the DAC in use is BDA3 and or 2's ?
Will it's S/pdif coax out provide any noticeable improvement compare to computer USB connection?
3)
As I Understand it is slower in handling files then BDP2 but is it slower then
Say the above computer ??
4)
Are the units already on production and can be ordered?
or there is a delay due to finalizing the PS chosen hardware
(Wall wart or other).
Thanks
Itshak
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Hi Yitshak
1. I still think the Pi sounds better than a regular computer.
2. The speed will be similar to the BDP2 but it will not handle as large a library.
3. We start producing next month.
james
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Hi Yitshak
1. I still think the Pi sounds better than a regular computer.
2. The speed will be similar to the BDP2 but it will not handle as large a library.
3. We start producing next month.
james
Wow that was fast
URT1 James
That's help
My files around 15K so no issue at all.
Here we go I'm about to ordered two units this week :)
Thanks
Itshak
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Hi Yitshak
1. I still think the Pi sounds better than a regular computer.
2. The speed will be similar to the BDP2 but it will not handle as large a library.
3. We start producing next month.
james
Are you accepting orders from dealers, at this point, for the BDP-Pi?
Thanks, Ken.
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Are you accepting orders from dealers, at this point, for the BDP-Pi?
Thanks, Ken.
Hi Ken
Yes we are.
james
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James,
Before closing
To simple occasional ripping prossedur (as all my files are already on powered hard disk )I better add
the BOT1.
Is the Pi work the same with the BOT1 as BDP2 for ripping and playing
Or just for ripping?
Itshak
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James,
Before closing
To simple occasional ripping prossedur (as all my files are already on powered hard disk )I better add
the BOT1.
Is the Pi work the same with the BOT1 as BDP2 for ripping and playing
Or just for ripping?
Itshak
I am not sure on that - will let Chris answer.
james
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James,
Before closing
To simple occasional ripping prossedur (as all my files are already on powered hard disk )I better add
the BOT1.
Is the Pi work the same with the BOT1 as BDP2 for ripping and playing
Or just for ripping?
Itshak
It should be identical, but we are still merging the software from the BDP-1/2 firmware in the firmware for the BDP-Pi.
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It should be identical, but we are still merging the software from the BDP-1/2 firmware in the firmware for the BDP-Pi.
All right then.
Thanks
Itshak
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Hi Guys,
I'm not sure I agree with this statement:
There's no way i can hope that a non computer savvy user can ever use the BDP with success, the way a Cd player can/quote]
I'm computer illiterate and I find using the Bryston BDP-1 which is so easy and convenient to use. I'm currently using MPAD and find it very easy to use to manage my music library. I think some of the difficulties seem to experience using the BDP-1 is because of huge libraries that they had downloaded on hard drives. I only download my best recorded audiophile music to the BDP-1 as it is used in my main system.
Oh Btw the Bryston BDP-2 is only $300 for expensive here in Australia and our currency is 30% lower in value to the euro.
Anyway, I would still consider paying the asking price of the BDP PI if I didn't own my BDP-1.
Cheers Rod
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We are in agreement Rocket.
Hi Guys,
I'm not sure I agree with this statement:
There's no way i can hope that a non computer savvy user can ever use the BDP with success, the way a Cd player can/quote]
I'm computer illiterate and I find using the Bryston BDP-1 which is so easy and convenient to use. I'm currently using MPAD and find it very easy to use to manage my music library. I think some of the difficulties seem to experience using the BDP-1 is because of huge libraries that they had downloaded on hard drives. I only download my best recorded audiophile music to the BDP-1 as it is used in my main system.
Oh Btw the Bryston BDP-2 is only $300 for expensive here in Australia and our currency is 30% lower in value to the euro.
Anyway, I would still consider paying the asking price of the BDP PI if I didn't own my BDP-1.
Cheers Rod
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Well I'm nothing close to computer savvy yet I operate with success
My computers and Jriver for the last two years.
(I admit with a few points of frustration) but I managed.
I was kind of Archie Bunker in regards to this computer
New era but after a learning curve ....
one can understand that It come with many other comfortable benefits of use.
Kind of the carrot and the stick thing ( though I always felt that the stick comes first )
Any way I think that the BDP's offer some state of very simple use mod,
For those who don't want to get all head in from the start point.
Anyway ... Like computers after I got use to them (still don't like them with music)
I moved farward each time a step or two,
and made them work for me instead I for them,but it take time and will and self curiosity.
I think BDP will be a more simple way for one start going digital with the guiding
And support offered here by Bryston team and expiriance Users.
It's a more strait forward kind machine then computers in general.
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Maybe I'm the only one, but does this not slightly undermine things for us existing BDP owners?. The BDPs are expensive* pieces of kit, but from reading this thread, it looks to all intents and purposes that a much cheaper player from Bryston will all but equal the performance of my BDP-2 that I bought just 18 months ago. I wonder how many people will/ would have bought a BDP given the option of the Pi and what resale values of BDPs will be?
I know this is par for the course for commodity electronics, but Bryston is a company that built its reputation on product longevity.
*As an aside, I've never understood why Bryston kit is so expensive here in the UK, actually significantly more in £ then $ and by my calculation much cheaper to buy a BDP in Canada and pay the shipping, vat and import duty to UK.
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Hi Norton,
I think its a different product and I think James has mentioned that the BDP-2 is superior to the PI. I don't know why the retail price in the UK is so high. The Aussie dollar is a bit weak these days compared to the USD, Euro and UK Pound. It costs only $300AUD more for a BDP-2 compared to the price in the US.
May'be our dealers are more competitive in Australia than the UK.
Regards Rod
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Maybe I'm the only one, but does this not slightly undermine things for us existing BDP owners?. The BDPs are expensive* pieces of kit, but from reading this thread, it looks to all intents and purposes that a much cheaper player from Bryston will all but equal the performance of my BDP-2 that I bought just 18 months ago. I wonder how many people will/ would have bought a BDP given the option of the Pi and what resale values of BDPs will be?
I know this is par for the course for commodity electronics, but Bryston is a company that built its reputation on product longevity.
*As an aside, I've never understood why Bryston kit is so expensive here in the UK, actually significantly more in £ then $ and by my calculation much cheaper to buy a BDP in Canada and pay the shipping, vat and import duty to UK.
Hi Norton
The BDP2 is still a much faster processor than the Pi and you can install an Internal Drive which you can not in the Pi. Also the Pi does not have AES balanced out or BNC out capability. The faster the processor the more capable it is at handling large libraries and 3rd party programs like Tidel etc.
That being said the computer boards available are changing as we move along and it is getting easier to produce good performing products at lower prices but I think that is the nature of this segment of the computer audio business. The BDP products will continue to be developed with a cost no object approach whereas the Pi will be approached as a start point for those getting into computer audio.
As for prices in the UK I understand they are much higher than Canada but the distributor determines the prices in each specific market so we do not have any control over that.
james
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Thankyou James
That's some reassurance - I'd feel even more so if you tell me that the PI won't sound as good as the BDP...
On pricing, with current $CDN to £ sterling and adding shipping, VAT and import duty I reckon I could save around £700 on the current UK price by buying at full retail from a Canadian dealer and shipping to UK. That's a big difference and maybe pushes Bryston products into a different price bracket vs the competition here.
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Thankyou James
That's some reassurance - I'd feel even more so if you tell me that the PI won't sound as good as the BDP...
On pricing, with current $CDN to £ sterling and adding shipping, VAT and import duty I reckon I could save around £700 on the current UK price by buying at full retail from a Canadian dealer and shipping to UK. That's a big difference and maybe pushes Bryston products into a different price bracket vs the competition here.
Hi
I agree that pricing can become an issue in terms of elevating the cost to a new level but it is just the best distribution model available currently to provided the need assistance and support in different countries.
james
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How many songs will the Pi handle?
What happens when you go over the limit?
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How many songs will the Pi handle?
What happens when you go over the limit?
I have over 30.000 currently - just slows down.
james
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How many songs will the Pi handle?
What happens when you go over the limit?
After about 60,000 song the bryston db used by the artist view may stop working otherwise you can still browse your collection by the file folder structure of the drive or using a third party client.
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My main use would be to have 20K-30K of songs in one directory and use the shuffle function.
I also assume I can use a powered hard drive dockck.
Thanks
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With the new BDP Pi having a nice display for Meta data and Tidal music steaming, would it be a good assumption that an upgraded BDP-2 is coming in the near future?
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With the new BDP Pi having a nice display for Meta data and Tidal music steaming, would it be a good assumption that an upgraded BDP-2 is coming in the near future?
Hi
No plans on that front. The display on the Pi is just for simple control - shows IP address and MAC address etc.
James
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Hi
No plans on that front. The display on the Pi is just for simple control - shows IP address and MAC address etc.
James
I recall seeing a promo video showing album art on that screen; is this still planned for release?
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I recall seeing a promo video showing album art on that screen; is this still planned for release?
I will leave that for Chris to answer but I do not think that feature is in this version.
james
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I recall seeing a promo video showing album art on that screen; is this still planned for release?
The display can show cover art and has a vu meter type feature, however its not as perfect as it might look at first glance and there are some caveats. James is correct when he says the display was only added to do simple tasks like get the ip address, check firmware revision and enter service mode. Using a TFT display was convenient due to its physical size, the Raspberry Pi's existing spi interface and cost. As mentioned previously the display only has a resolution of 160x128 pixels and limited viewing angle. The display is also disabled if your using a USB DAC and playing music due to some interference the SPI bus exhibits on the USB bus.
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Watching the mainboard for the Pi I think there are seperate voltage regulators used. Maybe one for the Pi, another for HifiBerry circuitry or output stage, maybe also for USB? Could you shed some light on this?
I think this is one area where the Bryston Pi will be very different from basic Raspberry Pi board and will have great affect on SQ.
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Watching the mainboard for the Pi I think there are seperate voltage regulators used. Maybe one for the Pi, another for HifiBerry circuitry or output stage, maybe also for USB? Could you shed some light on this?
I think this is one area where the Bryston Pi will be very different from basic Raspberry Pi board and will have great affect on SQ.
There are two linear regulators, one that bolts to the chassis that drives the pi and its peripherals and a seconds to ensure the voltage used in the over voltage protection circuit doesn't exceed 10.5v.
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HI Ken,
Not sure if its any good, but thinking it won't harm either, id like to order one of those Ifi power adapters. 5v it should be according to the adapter of my usb hub, but IFY state the adapter is for 2,5 amp http://ifi-audio.com/portfolio-view/accessory-ipower/ (http://ifi-audio.com/portfolio-view/accessory-ipower/), while my usb hubs adapter shows it gives 4.
to be honest, the usb hub adapter looks very very much like the ifi, it might as well be the same... how can one tell it produces dirty power, i would love to be able to test that.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142634)
Would this suffice, or is it just no match?
Cheers and thanks,
Marius
plus I added an iFi-Audio iPower 5v, which was another $49.00.
It's great time to be a computer nerd and an audiophile... there are so many options out there, it's incredible!
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Another interesting technical aspect to notice about the PI
Back feeding to the Pi unit from the powered USB hub: http://elinux.org/RPi_Powered_USB_Hubs
Chris, is this of interest also for the BDP1/2?
Thanks,
Marius
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HI Ken,
Not sure if its any good, but thinking it won't harm either, id like to order one of those Ifi power adapters. 5v it should be according to the adapter of my usb hub, but IFY state the adapter is for 2,5 amp http://ifi-audio.com/portfolio-view/accessory-ipower/ (http://ifi-audio.com/portfolio-view/accessory-ipower/), while my usb hubs adapter shows it gives 4.
to be honest, the usb hub adapter looks very very much like the ifi, it might as well be the same... how can one tell it produces dirty power, i would love to be able to test that.
Would this suffice, or is it just no match?
Cheers and thanks,
Marius
I don't really know. There was a some discussion on Head-Fi.org on this topic and someone did some measurements and believed it to compare well with a traditional linear PSU. At $49.00 I thought I would just trust iFi-Audio.
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I don't really know. There was a some discussion on Head-Fi.org on this topic and someone did some measurements and believed it to compare well with a traditional linear PSU. At $49.00 I thought I would just trust iFi-Audio.
Sure i will too. But would the amperage be alright. 2,5 instead of 4 ?
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Sure i will too. But would the amperage be alright. 2,5 instead of 4 ?
2.5a is a lot for a single device. I use one to power my Cubox-I which is a higher-powered version of something like a Rasp.Pi.
Works just fine. The USB hub versions support more amps because it might be handing a number of USB-powered devices.
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Another interesting technical aspect to notice about the PI
Back feeding to the Pi unit from the powered USB hub: http://elinux.org/RPi_Powered_USB_Hubs
Chris, is this of interest also for the BDP1/2?
Thanks,
Marius
I can't recall either the BDP-1 or 2 experiencing that issue, but the BDP-1 can be powered from one of its USB ports.
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Sure i will too. But would the amperage be alright. 2,5 instead of 4 ?
It would be cutting it close
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It would be cutting it close
thats what i feared. suppose its not worth the risk then, as the extra power was just what was needed in my situation.
Thanks Chris
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thats what i feared. suppose its not worth the risk then, as the extra power was just what was needed in my situation.
Thanks Chris
https://www.amazon.ca/RioRand-Dual-USB-Charging-Digital-Voltmeter/dp/B00JCIMRW0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1463074214&sr=8-2&keywords=usb+current+meter
we use a usb meter for checking current draw, not this exact model. If you get one you can see what each device draws, you'll want to see what the max current draw is at any given time and the average. The sum of max draw across all devices should be the same or less then the supplies rated current and the average should be no more 90% of the supplies rating, in this case 2.25Amps. Chances are the maximum power draw will occur when the device is initially plugged in.
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cool!
i love those little tools.
Thanks,.
Marius
https://www.amazon.ca/RioRand-Dual-USB-Charging-Digital-Voltmeter/dp/B00JCIMRW0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1463074214&sr=8-2&keywords=usb+current+meter (https://www.amazon.ca/RioRand-Dual-USB-Charging-Digital-Voltmeter/dp/B00JCIMRW0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1463074214&sr=8-2&keywords=usb+current+meter)
we use a usb meter for checking current draw, not this exact model. If you get one you can see what each device draws, you'll want to see what the max current draw is at any given time and the average. The sum of max draw across all devices should be the same or less then the supplies rated current and the average should be no more 90% of the supplies rating, in this case 2.25Amps. Chances are the maximum power draw will occur when the device is initially plugged in.
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Any new pictures or informations for the BDP Pi?
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142869)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142870)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142871)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142872)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142873)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142874)
these are photos of first run units, minor changes will be made to units that ship to customers
this is a video demonstrating button operation
https://www.dropbox.com/s/eo1ezrrsiy2yv4t/2016-04-29%2011.27.07.mov?dl=0
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142875)
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Very cool!
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this is a video demonstrating button operation
https://www.dropbox.com/s/eo1ezrrsiy2yv4t/2016-04-29%2011.27.07.mov?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/eo1ezrrsiy2yv4t/2016-04-29%2011.27.07.mov?dl=0)
Lol. BDP-3.14 :thumb:
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142910)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142911)
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Thanks for pictures!
Really nice and tempting. :)
What makes me wonder since the first picture of the mainboard, there are three rows of solder pads below the Hifiberry/Bryston logos. Is this connectors for optional stuff or something?
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Dropbox videos are not workig for me. What is needed for watching them?
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IwantoneIwantoneIwantoneIwan---
Oh! Uhm... :green:
What is the 16Gb micro SD card for? Does that hold the software?
Also, can RAM be added to make it quicker? Or to make the library larger?
Can the display be turned off? Or dimmed? Or auto turned off after a few seconds?
Can I suggest a small change; make the volume meters outlines. The bouncing blocks seem really bright. Outlines look cooler too...
What is the hole underneath the B for?
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Dropbox videos are not workig for me. What is needed for watching them?
You neet Apple Quicktime to be able to watch them.
https://support.apple.com/downloads/quicktime
Be careful with installing, make sure you read every option and turn everything you don't want off before you click next.
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What unit actually makes the sound we here that comes from the speakers, is it the Pi or Dac unit? Does the Pi make a signature sound then the dac converts that information or does the Dac make its own signature sound from the digital 1-0's it receives from the Pi.
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Thanks for pictures!
Really nice and tempting. :)
What makes me wonder since the first picture of the mainboard, there are three rows of solder pads below the Hifiberry/Bryston logos. Is this connectors for optional stuff or something?
IO to try and keep the board flexible
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IwantoneIwantoneIwantoneIwan---
Oh! Uhm... :green:
What is the 16Gb micro SD card for? Does that hold the software?
Also, can RAM be added to make it quicker? Or to make the library larger?
Can the display be turned off? Or dimmed? Or auto turned off after a few seconds?
Can I suggest a small change; make the volume meters outlines. The bouncing blocks seem really bright. Outlines look cooler too...
What is the hole underneath the B for?
Firmware and user settings, production units will ship with industrial Apacer 8GB module.
No memory upgrades are available, if your collection is much larger then 60,000 or is likely to outgrow this I would recommend buying a BDP-2.
The display can be setup to only turn on while navigating menu's and startup.
We will likely make multiple vu meter options available, I hadn't thought of the outlined boxes.
IR receiver, currently works with the br2 and apple remote; additional remote profiles can be added with firmware updates.
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What unit actually makes the sound we here that comes from the speakers, is it the Pi or Dac unit? Does the Pi make a signature sound then the dac converts that information or does the Dac make its own signature sound from the digital 1-0's it receives from the Pi.
I'd say the Dac has the most influence, but the player still influences what you hear.
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No updates since 4 weeks. Any news?
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The new phono's bumped production of the BDP-Pi back, everything's ready we are just waiting for production to start building them.
Cheers
Chris
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Hi Chris,
Thank you for the update. It's great that Bryston is coming out with a more affordable product to expose this technology to the masses. I really like my BDP-1 and would never go back to cdp.
Cheers Rod
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=145127)
First generation prototype left, final generation prototype right
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Thanks for update!
Interesting picture. Will the production version be any different?
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To the untrained eye it'll likely look identical to the one on the right. We did end up making some alterations to some of the traces.
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hi, Bryston!
i remember that in another thread James was asked by several dealers to offer a 'entry-level' Bryston product. James' simple answer was no.
however, would Bryston now consider the BDP pi to be now such a product?
al.
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hi, Bryston!
i remember that in another thread James was asked by several dealers to offer a 'entry-level' Bryston product. James' simple answer was no.
however, would Bryston now consider the BDP pi to be now such a product?
al.
Are these actually for sale yet?
Regards,
Dan
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Are these actually for sale yet?
Regards,
Dan
Hi Dan
If all goes well we should start shipping in about a week. We have had to reject some metal work and that put us back a month. It will take us a month or so to catch up as the backorders are quit high.
james
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Hi James,
Recently one of our BDP-pi's was reviewed on Youtube by Hans Beekhuyzen
Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4FU1tqZdeU&t=65s
Have a nice weekend
Hein