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Industry Circles => Daedalus Audio => Topic started by: Ulisse60 on 4 Mar 2023, 10:26 am
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Hello everyone, my name is Dario, i live in Milan, Italy, I have owned for about 18 months a pair of Uliysses speakers, bought used by the only audiophile in Italy who had ordered them to Lou some years ago. They play wonderfully, although I'm still working around them, and the small dedicated music venue, which should be larger, but for now I'm content with the musical results . . .
I'm working a lot on the room and on the audio system to make the Ulysses better, which have enormous sonic potential. I come from speakers of the English school, ProAc, Harbeth, Graham, which have given me great satisfaction and have allowed me to grow a lot as an audiophile and to make me understand what I am looking for in musical reproduction, but today I have a great opportunity with full range speakers and with margins for improvement in many aspects of music triproduction, I hope that many of you can give me good advice and suggestions on how to exploit them in my system and environment.
Thank you for your patience in reading me and I wish you all excellent listening to music, Dario
P.S. I apologize for my poor English, I hope it doesn't represent an important limitation to communication on this Forum
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Welcome!
Don P.
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Welcome! What comprises the rest of your system?
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Welcome!
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In addition to owning a pair of Ulysses (upgraded to v.2) and Apollo 11's, I recently became an Italian citizen by descent. Unfortunately I don't yet speak Italian, although one of my brothers has had a townhouse in Castelmuzio for about 20 years and does speak some Italian; it's not really necessary in that area with all the other English, Canadian and American expats living there part or full time.
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Thank you all for the welcome, I read various International Forums but write very little, in Italy I participated in some of them, but today I want to dedicate myself to my system according to the loudspeakers, which for me are definitive, so I will try to be active here.
I post a photo of my system, which includes an Esoteric CD and SACD player, an Emmlabs preamp and a Gamut power amp, I don't have vinyl and maybe I'll approach liquid, even if my CD collection, about 6500 pieces, occupies me a lot of listening , especially of Jazz, acoustic music, prog rock and other genres, I'm starting to approach classical on tiptoe
greetings, Dario
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Fantastic system! I'll bet it sounds great and I doubt you would gain anything (except perhaps a headache and a much emptier bank account) if you added LP playback.
Coincidentally I am listening to Enrico Pieranunzi Trio - Live in Japan (CD) as I write this.
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Fantastic system! I'll bet it sounds great and I doubt you would gain anything (except perhaps a headache and a much emptier bank account) if you added LP playback.
Coincidentally I am listening to Enrico Pieranunzi Trio - Live in Japan (CD) as I write this.
Thank you, I have been listening to music in this small room for 15 years, and for about 2 years I have redone the whole room, turned the speakers to the other side, moved the rack to the right side of the listening point and done an adequate treatment to accommodate more complete speakers of my previous ones. The latest addition was the Esoteric K01x player which replaced an Emmlabs XDS1 , with evident improvements in bass range and control, focus and general dynamics. Since I don't have a large stage due to the small size of the room, I have focused a lot on timbre, realism, focus and silence of the audio system, results that I consider valid.
Everything can be improved, now perhaps the element to evaluate for a change is the power amp, where 200 watts could be excessive for Ulysses speakers, and a more refined power amp could be the right conclusion of a sound path I've been working on for some time.
greetings, Darius
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Darius (Dario?),
Congratulations on becoming a Daedalus speakers owner! :thumb: :popcorn:
I've got a pair of Lou's Apollo speakers, so I understand your joy. Welcome to Audio Circle!
Michael
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Welcome to the board.
And no offense, but those speakers look waaaaay too big for that room. IMO, the starting point to building a system is always to get a speaker that is appropriately sized for the room.
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"Liquid" = streaming. Don't bother.
Try this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsvX_vm-IXI
(You Tube isn't considered "streaming" by audiophiles.)
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Welcome to the board.
And no offense, but those speakers look waaaaay too big for that room. IMO, the starting point to building a system is always to get a speaker that is appropriately sized for the room.
Tell that to Michael Fremer :lol:
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Hi,
With this small room and these large funds I would look a good headphone and get rid of these hydrant speakers, as Sennheiser HD800 or HifiMan Arya or Edition X(used) with a good tube amp, unfortunately good rooms are rare and tend to be a permanent componet in the audiophile life and often survive us. LOL
I understand your comment on room size and speaker size, but the environment has been treated, it has a decent RT60, and the Ulysses sound less intrusive than the previous Graham 5/9 and Harbeth SHL5 , especially in the bass control and in the reproduction of a coherent and correct sound.
I also have a Sennheiser 600 headphone system, but listening through headphones doesn't excite me as much as with the direct sound of the speakers, I miss the physicality and part of the gratification that the music in the room offers
greetings, Dario
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Darius (Dario?),
Congratulations on bewcoming a Daedalus speakers owner! :thumb: :popcorn:
I've got a pair of Lou's Apollo speakers, so I understand your joy. Welcome to Audio Circle!
Michael
Hi Michael, thank you for your words, I hope to learn and understand how to optimize my Ulysses, and maybe offer a contribution on some topics related to my experience in the audio world
Dario
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Welcome to the board.
And no offense, but those speakers look waaaaay too big for that room. IMO, the starting point to building a system is always to get a speaker that is appropriately sized for the room.
Hi, I understand your point of view, but I couldn't give up the Ulysses after listening to them, keep in mind that they are not distributed in Italy. . . In perspective they will be definitive speakers, and in 3 - 4 years, when I finish working, I will move to a house with a much larger dedicated room, and then I will also be able to install the 2 bows which are now in the garage :D :D
greetings , Dario
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"Liquid" = streaming. Don't bother.
Try this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsvX_vm-IXI
(You Tube isn't considered "streaming" by audiophiles.)
Thanks a lot, I will listen to it with pleasure, greetings
Dario
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Tell that to Michael Fremer :lol:
Fremer's ego and attitude surpass any speaker room combo I am aware of.
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Fremer's ego and attitude surpass any speaker room combo I am aware of.
Hello
Apart from some reports on hi fi events around the States, I have never read any reviews of Daedalus speakers in Sterophile, and this says a lot about the choices and listening philosophies of audio products in magazines and magazines. . . Ditto for Emmlabs, another brand I've been listening to for a long time, I've had the CDSA SE and XDS1 sources, and I have the PRE, a real wire with gain in my experience, but zero reviews. . .
Dario
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hello , an operational question, here in Italy it is now 9.40 AM , what is the time zone difference for the Daedalus Forum compared to my time ??
I ask to evaluate in which daily range it is better to write from here
thank you very much
Dario
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hello , an operational question, here in Italy it is now 9.40 AM , what is the time zone difference for the Daedalus Forum compared to my time ??
I ask to evaluate in which daily range it is better to write from here
thank you very much
Dario
You can post any time day or night you want,
Audio Circle are housed in Australia and online 24/7.
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hello , an operational question, here in Italy it is now 9.40 AM , what is the time zone difference for the Daedalus Forum compared to my time ??
I ask to evaluate in which daily range it is better to write from here
thank you very much
Dario
Hi Dario,
Per Google "Italy is 9 hours ahead of Ferndale, WA".
Slush
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Hi Dario,
Per Google "Italy is 9 hours ahead of Ferndale, WA".
Slush
:thumb:
thanks Dario
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You can post any time day or night you want,
Audio Circle are housed in Australia and online 24/7.
Thank you, I guess it's always possible to write here, it was to understand in which time slot it was more logical to interact with other users, let's say more in real time !!
Dario
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Welcome to the board.
And no offense, but those speakers look waaaaay too big for that room. IMO, the starting point to building a system is always to get a speaker that is appropriately sized for the room.
No offense, in all of Italy I think this is the only existing couple, of Daedalus, and it was in the house of Ugo, an enthusiast I had already met in the past, about 20 km from me. . .
When I saw his announcement for sale, my first thought was that they wouldn't work for me, too big and complete, but I went to listen to them anyway, and I fell in love with them in 1 hour. . .
My music room is on the upper floor and can be reached via a narrow spiral staircase, so I won't even tell you about the problems first with transport, then with installation and finally with the fear of having made a completely wrong choice. . .
Instead, they sound amazing, with some obvious limitations, but for me the benefits and great sound far outweigh the environmental limitations!!
greetings, Dario
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Fremer's ego and attitude surpass any speaker room combo I am aware of.
While I agree that MF's ego and attitude are the salient parts of his personality, I'm not sure why that means his opinions about speaker room combo are in any way invalid.
Personally I have heard systems sound very good with small speakers in large rooms and with large speakers in small rooms, and systems that sound poor regardless of "speaker room" matching. It is important to be able to listen in a position that will allow the drivers of a multi-way system to "integrate", but beyond that I don't think there is any other parameter is of primary importance (regarding "speaker room combo").
Lou has posted the minimum listening distance for the Ulysses in the past, although I don't recall what he recommended.
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Personally I have heard systems sound very good with small speakers in large rooms and with large speakers in small rooms, and systems that sound poor regardless of "speaker room" matching. It is important to be able to listen in a position that will allow the drivers of a multi-way system to "integrate", but beyond that I don't think there is any other parameter is of primary importance (regarding "speaker room combo").
Hi, I very much agree with your considerations, often in large rooms there are more environmental problems than in small ones, where the direct sound prevails over the reflected one . . .
Lou has posted the minimum listening distance for the Ulysses in the past, although I don't recall what he recommended.
I am very interested in this aspect, I have the tweeters about 2 meters away, but I think I should have at least 3, and in fact with my seat I find myself with the height of my ears above the 2 tweeters, and not in line with them, from here it would also be useful to know how to raise about 5 cm. further the floorstanding speakers without losing sound quality and firmness. . .
Thanks for your answers
Dario
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Reviewing some older posts in this forum, it would appear that close to 3m (10 ft) is the minimum listening distance for driver integration in the Ulysses; 2.7 - 2.8 meters might also work.
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Reviewing some older posts in this forum, it would appear that close to 3m (10 ft) is the minimum listening distance for driver integration in the Ulysses; 2.7 - 2.8 meters might also work.
Thanks, I imagined I was a little too near field, but I can't do otherwise for now, I'm satisfied with the splendid timbre, extension, detail and dynamics, for the stage and the coherence of emission, I'll wait for the installation in the next house !!
Dario
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Reviewing some older posts in this forum, it would appear that close to 3m (10 ft) is the minimum listening distance for driver integration in the Ulysses; 2.7 - 2.8 meters might also work.
Which is exactly why you don't put a large multi-driver speaker in a small room.....can't get far enough away for proper driver integration. Also, strong chance of bass overload problems.
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I have a pair of Apollo 2 walnut speakers speakers I bought from Lou a couple years ago. I have them in my medium sized living room setup. I use them for a mixture of 2 channel listening as well as mains for my HT setup. They are beautiful to look at, and I love how they are resolute without sounding too analytical. I get compliments when people see their craftsmanship. They sound even better than they look.
For my setup I have them placed 4 feet from the wall behind them and 18 inches from each sidewall. They form a 10 ft equilateral triangle (toed in towards the center listening position).
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I have a pair of Apollo 2 walnut speakers speakers I bought from Lou a couple years ago. I have them in my medium sized living room setup. I use them for a mixture of 2 channel listening as well as mains for my HT setup. They are beautiful to look at, and I love how they are resolute without sounding too analytical. I get compliments when people see their craftsmanship. They sound even better than they look.
For my setup I have them placed 4 feet from the wall behind them and 18 inches from each sidewall. They form a 10 ft equilateral triangle (toed in towards the center listening position).
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My Apollos are positioned in much the same way as GregC's except that mine are 4 1/2 feet from the front wall. My listening position is ~10 feet from the speakers. Since I purchased them from Lou, I have had these speakers set up in 5(?) different sized rooms to date, and they have sounded wonderful regardless of room size or shape.
Dario,
Enjoy your Ulysses now, and anticipate even greater enjoyment once your new home is ready. You've got a great pair of speakers. 8)
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My Apollos are positioned in much the same way as GregC's except that mine are 4 1/2 feet from the front wall. My listening position is ~10 feet from the speakers. Since I purchased them from Lou, I have had these speakers set up in 5(?) different sized rooms to date, and they have sounded wonderful regardless of room size or shape.
Dario,
Enjoy your Ulysses now, and anticipate even greater enjoyment once your new home is ready. You've got a great pair of speakers. 8)
Hi Michael,
My fireplace hearth stops me from moving the speakers further into the room or else I would. The speakers are setup father apart than other speakers I have setup before, but they image well and the soundstage is engulfing without losing focus.
Greg
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FWIW, the Apollo series should be much more forgiving of placement, room size and optimal listening distances than the Ulysses. That said, I love both.
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The Apollos are forgiving, but after lots of trial and error I found what I thought sounded the best given my room's constraints as a living space. I believe the Muse Studio model is setup to be even more forgiving than Apollos.
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If Dario wish I would move this topic to the Daedalus Circle ?
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If Dario wish I would move this topic to the Daedalus Circle ?
Hi Fullrangeman , if you think it offers more visibility for the Ulysses discussion that's fine, thank you very much
Dario
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Which is exactly why you don't put a large multi-driver speaker in a small room.....can't get far enough away for proper driver integration. Also, strong chance of bass overload problems.
Hello
I can say that it was also my fear, the presence of out of control bass, with long tails and poor intelligibility, in reality none of this, I strongly believe in the value of the audio chain upstream of the loudspeakers and while making the Ulysses express themselves under their potential, due to the small room, what the electronics and cables do, which I have taken great care of, is to offer a sound of impact and quality, never previously had in terms of extension and dynamics. Nonetheless, as someone has written, a larger room in the future will enhance them to their fullest.
As regards the integration of the drivers, I perceive some small lack of homogeneity, but for now I have no alternatives for positioning the speakers and I live with the limits of the room
Dario
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Hi Fullrangeman , if you think it offers more visibility for the Ulysses discussion that's fine, thank you very much
Dario
OK, have just moved now.
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Congratulations on your choice.
Daedalus speakers I've heard sound more like live music, rather than just recordings. I've heard Ulysses, Athena and owned DA-RMa v2. All shared this engaging sonic presentation. I could never work out how this was enabled, but it is marvelous. The cabinetry is in a class of its own.
They should provide you with decades of joy.
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OK, have just moved now.
Congratulations
These are GR8 speakers that you have , I own a pair of Poseidon in a reasonably large open space room ,my speakers are about 12feet a part and 4.5 feet from the front wall ( although I recall at Lou demo room they were not that far apart probably 5 to 6 feet) I personally prefer to use low powered tube amplification with these Daedalus Speakers as they are very efficient and really sing with proper placement and electronics :thumb:
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Congratulations on your choice.
Daedalus speakers I've heard sound more like live music, rather than just recordings. I've heard Ulysses, Athena and owned DA-RMa v2. All shared this engaging sonic presentation. I could never work out how this was enabled, but it is marvelous. The cabinetry is in a class of its own.
They should provide you with decades of joy.
Thanks, I agree with everything you wrote, for me they were a bolt of lightning at first listening, lucky to find them in Italy, I didn't miss them !!
in hi fi it is said that nothing is forever, but I think I have reached an important milestone with the Ulysses, they will accompany me for a long time in listening to music
Hi , Dario
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Congratulations
These are GR8 speakers that you have , I own a pair of Poseidon in a reasonably large open space room ,my speakers are about 12feet a part and 4.5 feet from the front wall ( although I recall at Lou demo room they were not that far apart probably 5 to 6 feet) I personally prefer to use low powered tube amplification with these Daedalus Speakers as they are very efficient and really sing with proper placement and electronics :thumb:
Hi
my previous loudspeakers, all of the English school and not very sensitive, led me to choose an amplification with adequate watts, however I prefer the solid state and the Emm Labs preamp in xlr gains 6 Db, so my GamuT power amp has a good synergy and I like the result
I've listened to a few amps myself to try and replace the GamuT, but the GamuT perform very well and I haven't found anything more refined in a reasonable range with at least 70-120 watts
any suggestion is welcome
greetings Dario
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Welcome Dario! The Ulysses are wonderful speakers. I had a friend nearby who owned a pair for some time and very much enjoyed listening at his place. I am Italian on my father's side and flew into Milan many years ago for a week long tour of Italy, mostly down the Adriatic Coast and in the mountains. We had a friend who was a local take us around so he was able to show us some wonderful places that were off the beaten path. I still remember the food and the wine after 30 years! I have the Apollo's which I love and they bring me much joy everytime I fire up the system! Enjoy!!
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Welcome Dario! The Ulysses are wonderful speakers. I had a friend nearby who owned a pair for some time and very much enjoyed listening at his place. I am Italian on my father's side and flew into Milan many years ago for a week long tour of Italy I have the Apollo's which I love and they bring me much joy everytime I fire up the system! Enjoy!!
Thank you, the Apollos are excellent speakers, certainly capable of giving great listening satisfaction.
I made some changes in the music room, I brought the power amp between the speakers, to try to shorten the power cables, and changed the sequence of power cables between the CD player, preamp and power amp, the sound remains very precise but a slightly softer with a midrange that seems fuller to me, I will reserve a few days of listening to better understand how the system thus developed offers music, I attach photos
greetings, Dario
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Happy Easter Lou and all.
I noticed that I have been posting that I have Apollo II speakers when I actually have Athena II speakers. They sound fantastic and are about perfect for my medium sized room.
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Happy Easter Lou and all.
I noticed that I have been posting that I have Apollo II speakers when I actually have Athena II speakers. They sound fantastic and are about perfect for my medium sized room.
HI
my interest in Daedalus Audio began 3 years ago, I was reading a report from Florida Expo 2020, I saw the photo below, and I told myself that those speakers had something interesting, without even knowing what they were, who designed them, where they were built . . .
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I discovered they were the Apollos, I began to inquire, and to my great disappointment the brand was not present in Europe, in no way could I have listened to or own a pair of a model of the brand. But fortune favors the bold, it's a saying and a motto that we use in Italy, and months later, I saw the announcement of the Daedalus Ulysse, for sale, about 25 km from my house.
The first impression is that they were huge for my venue, too demanding in terms of positioning and being able to play decently in a small environment. . . to continue
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But I had no alternative of being able to listen to some Daedalus in Italy or in Europe, and having them 30 minutes away from my home, aroused mixed feelings in me, the ambivalence of trying to listen to them anyway, the fear of falling in love with them and therefore of the consequences that an audiophile can hardly escape, or to continue and complete the transaction, at any cost, or with the consequences of inadequacy of my room, not of the audio system, which I consider valid and coherent for my listening and my musical preferences
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The continuation is an easily understandable story, I went to listen to the Ulysses, after an hour I knew they were my sound, my friend who accompanied me tried to make me think about the dimensions and logistics of transport to my environment, the music venue is located in the the attic of my apartment on the 6th floor, and can be reached via a narrow spiral staircase from which the Daedalus will then pass along the edge of the wall, with some difficulty given the weight, 3 people managed to hoist them up to my room I listen . . . .
I remember as if it were today, which you bring home, they remained 15 days in the living room, I was terrified not only of taking them to the 7th floor with the risk of ruining them, but also of the musical and sound result that I could have obtained, overflowing bass, a sound unmanageable, unfortunate placement . . .
Let's say they don't perform at their best, but after 3 hours of listening to my ambient system, I thanked everyone and everything, including my family for their patience, my friend for their support, and whoever sold them to me, to whom I write and wish you all the best for the holidays today!!!!
good music to all
Dario
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I saw the announcement of the Daedalus Ulysse, for sale, about 25 km from my house.
The first impression is that they were huge for my venue, too demanding in terms of positioning and being able to play decently in a small environment. . . to continue
Having them 30 minutes away from my home.
Snips and bold by JakeJ.
My God!! 30 minutes to travel 25 km?!? You must have the worst traffic in the world!
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Just kidding, however that was quite the challenge getting them home and in the listening room. Great story.
And welcome to AC and to Daedalus ownership. Haven't owned any myself but have heard a few and hope to attend PNAF this year.
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Snips and bold by JakeJ.
My God!! 30 minutes to travel 25 km?!? You must have the worst traffic in the world!
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Just kidding, however that was quite the challenge getting them home and in the listening room. Great story.
And welcome to AC and to Daedalus ownership. Haven't owned any myself but have heard a few and hope to attend PNAF this year.
Thank you, I believe that every hi fi object has a story behind it, but these speakers were a set of coincidences, opportunities and timing, they deserved the story of my journey, which started about 35 years ago with the ProAc studio 125! . . .
greetings, Dario
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Snips and bold by JakeJ.
Just kidding, however that was quite the challenge getting them home and in the listening room. Great story.
And welcome to AC and to Daedalus ownership. Haven't owned any myself but have heard a few and hope to attend PNAF this year.
I have a bit of envy for American enthusiasts, because you have many interesting Hi-fi brands that in Italy are not even mentioned, and less than all are available or listenable.
The same Daedalus loudspeakers, from you in the USA, with some displacement, are listenable while in Italy it will never be possible to see them inserted in an audio system to be able to appreciate them, I had the luck and the chance to listen to the only pair present in italy, it was Ulysse and those I chose, by force of circumstances, and I'm very happy with their way of delivering music, last week I listened to the last track of the Faithless album, Everything Will Be Alright Tomorrow, recorded very well, in my room without even forcing much, for 5 minutes I reached this sound pressure, without effort, discomfort, compression or other problems. . .
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Good morning everyone
in test final amplifier Simaudio Moon 760A.
It's warming up in the sound system, until Tuesday to evaluate its sound qualities in my sound system. I have good expectations, I've always read very well about Simaudio, and even if the GamuT does an excellent job, after 12 years in my system, the desire for a different sound prompted me to evaluate a different power amp.
Greetings , Dario
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Have you tried any Viva amps yet?
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I've never heard Daedalus speakers powered by a SimAudio Amp before, but I have heard other speakers powered by SimAudio amps. I would expect this to be a nice sounding combination. I look forward to your impressions. :popcorn:
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Have you tried any Viva amps yet?
HI
I haven't had any valves in my system for about a decade, or we are moving towards very high-end products, until recently I had loudspeakers with a sensitivity of 85 - 87 Db, or the watts of the valves, if few, are never adequate to avoid distortions and hardening of the sound, considering that my research is towards the most coherent and least characterized sound possible.
Viva audio has excellent amplifiers in their catalogue, the official dealer is less than 30 miles from my house, but the prices are very high and the whole chain needs to be considered considering their characteristics.
Dario
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I've never heard Daedalus speakers powered by a SimAudio Amp before, but I have heard other speakers powered by SimAudio amps. I would expect this to be a nice sounding combination. I look forward to your impressions. :popcorn:
Hello, Thank you for the question, very complex. . . !!
In the last 2 years, due to my preferences, I have made a good step forward with the audio system, and with the treatment of the music room, and I doubt that to date, the most lacking part of my system is the power amp.
The GamuT has been with me for about 11 years, it is the oldest piece of the audio system ever, and I have recently compared it with some good quality amplifiers and integrated amplifiers, without ever thinking of ousting it from its starting position. because the antagonists, at best, came out on equal footing. Among these, Swiss Physic 6 A, Norma mono 8.7 , Pass int 60 , Pass 150.5, Ayre VX5 , all interesting but have never made me want to replace the GamuT.
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I've never heard Daedalus speakers powered by a SimAudio Amp before, but I have heard other speakers powered by SimAudio amps. I would expect this to be a nice sounding combination. I look forward to your impressions. :popcorn:
We come to the Moon Simaudio 760 A
After 3 very full days of listening, in which I passed my reference works in CD and SACD , I have to say that I really like it, how it delivers the music and how it integrates into the audio system, how it makes the speakers sing, and what it offers in terms of timbre, dynamics and audio stage.
Among the valuable elements, the fact that it delivers the sound with the richness and harmonic thickness of a valve amp, but without the limits of these, therefore great bass control, extension, undistorted dynamics and great background silence. I would add that it separates instruments and details better and more in focus than the GamuT, it delivers the voices in a magnificent way, correct, dense, very articulate and very real.
It delivers music with great energy, throughout the audio spectrum, the bass is more marked than the GamuT, the mids are lusher and with more harmonics, and for me it is the right direction because when I gave up the Emm Labs XDS1 player, the new Esoteric thrilled me, but as the only non-satisfying aspect, an average part of the spectrum a little less present and rich.
Furthermore, the sound that comes out of the speakers today seems to me more engaging and harmonic, fuller, more realistic and plausible, with a small note to consider, namely that the bad recordings are even less listenable than with the GamuT, the likelihood is increased, and the recordings are offered exactly as they are, from excellent, it seems to be in the context of silent recording, to the mediocre or indecent of some self-produced pop and music works.
The sound is textural, dense, at times exuberant, accustomed to the GamuT, even if the linearity and cleanliness are exemplary, and the extension is wide and with great continuity between the frequencies, even by raising the volume a lot, to understand each other I pushed up to about 100dB.
It is able to extract even small pieces of information and tends to propose details which with GamuT are a little more masked, less evident, it brings to the surface micro-information and hidden nuances and shows them more in focus.
The stage gains something in lateralization, I have little depth as the speakers are too close to the back wall, but where the differences are appreciated, there are and are evident.
The first power amp which in recent years is impressing me positively, the only drawback, gaining 31, makes me keep the preamp within the first 20-25 notches out of 99, but fortunately the linearity of the Emm Labs PRE is remarkable, there is no evidence of incompatibility between the preamp and the power amp, even if the GamuT with Emm Labs is really one from an electrical point of view.
What to say more, the Moon satisfied me a lot, now I have to understand the economic part where it takes me, and how the GamuT can help me from an economic point of view
I hope I was helpful, if there are any questions or curiosities, I'm here to answer
Dario
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We come to the Moon Simaudio 760 A
After 3 very full days of listening, in which I passed my reference works in CD and SACD , I have to say that I really like it, how it delivers the music and how it integrates into the audio system, how it makes the speakers sing, and what it offers in terms of timbre, dynamics and audio stage.
Among the valuable elements, the fact that it delivers the sound with the richness and harmonic thickness of a valve amp, but without the limits of these, therefore great bass control, extension, undistorted dynamics and great background silence. I would add that it separates instruments and details better and more in focus than the GamuT, it delivers the voices in a magnificent way, correct, dense, very articulate and very real.
It delivers music with great energy, throughout the audio spectrum, the bass is more marked than the GamuT, the mids are lusher and with more harmonics, and for me it is the right direction because when I gave up the Emm Labs XDS1 player, the new Esoteric thrilled me, but as the only non-satisfying aspect, an average part of the spectrum a little less present and rich.
Furthermore, the sound that comes out of the speakers today seems to me more engaging and harmonic, fuller, more realistic and plausible, with a small note to consider, namely that the bad recordings are even less listenable than with the GamuT, the likelihood is increased, and the recordings are offered exactly as they are, from excellent, it seems to be in the context of silent recording, to the mediocre or indecent of some self-produced pop and music works.
The sound is textural, dense, at times exuberant, accustomed to the GamuT, even if the linearity and cleanliness are exemplary, and the extension is wide and with great continuity between the frequencies, even by raising the volume a lot, to understand each other I pushed up to about 100dB.
It is able to extract even small pieces of information and tends to propose details which with GamuT are a little more masked, less evident, it brings to the surface micro-information and hidden nuances and shows them more in focus.
The stage gains something in lateralization, I have little depth as the speakers are too close to the back wall, but where the differences are appreciated, there are and are evident.
The first power amp which in recent years is impressing me positively, the only drawback, gaining 31, makes me keep the preamp within the first 20-25 notches out of 99, but fortunately the linearity of the Emm Labs PRE is remarkable, there is no evidence of incompatibility between the preamp and the power amp, even if the GamuT with Emm Labs is really one from an electrical point of view.
What to say more, the Moon satisfied me a lot, now I have to understand the economic part where it takes me, and how the GamuT can help me from an economic point of view
I hope I was helpful, if there are any questions or curiosities, I'm here to answer
Dario
Dario,
Wow! Now you've got me wondering how it might sound in my system. Hmm. I know a SimAudio dealer (90 miles/145 km away from my home) who could provide a demo amp, but any such demo on my part will have to wait until June at the earliest.
Thank you for sharing your impressions. :thumb:
Michael
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Dario,
Wow! Now you've got me wondering how it might sound in my system. Hmm. I know a SimAudio dealer (90 miles/145 km away from my home) who could provide a demo amp, but any such demo on my part will have to wait until June at the earliest.
Thank you for sharing your impressions. :thumb:
Michael
Hi
If you manage to listen to the Moon power amps, I think it could be a very interesting and rewarding experience. Yesterday evening I was reading Stereophile's review referring to the Moon 860 A V2, in which 2 bridge power amps are used, and the reviewer writes things that are very consistent with my listening, of the small 760 A, in many respects I identify very much with the review, and the best comparison is Dan D'Agostino's mono power amps. I don't know if you can link to other sites or magazines here, but if you look for it it's easy to find also because it's very recent, just a few months ago. . .
It is true that reviews are always to be weighed, but if you have the opportunity to listen, given that you have a shop close enough to you, it will then be interesting to hear your point of view.
Greetings , Dario
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Good morning everyone
in test final amplifier Simaudio Moon 760A.
It's warming up in the sound system, until Tuesday to evaluate its sound qualities in my sound system. I have good expectations, I've always read very well about Simaudio, and even if the GamuT does an excellent job, after 12 years in my system, the desire for a different sound prompted me to evaluate a different power amp.
Greetings , Dario
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The plays are over, I really liked the Moon 760 A, I decided to keep it and after 11 years to replace the GamuT D 200 i .
It expresses a sound that satisfies me very much, full, rich, complete, but without forcing or imbalance, a very coherent and complete sound flow, with truly splendid female voices !!
With electronic music and non-linear recordings the sound becomes a little aggressive, but with Jazz, acoustics and classical, it's a real pleasure to listen to works that I have known and appreciated for many years.
For the really high quality of the CD work, both for the technical and artistic profile, I would like to point out this title, good music to all
Dario
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Several days have now passed since the definitive installation of the Moon in my audio system, I confirm the goodness of the amplification, both in my chain where it has inserted itself very well, and absolutely for the enthralling musicality it expresses, the very rich and full but without any flaws, unbalance or preference towards some frequencies to the detriment of others, definitely a sound machine of great class and quality, finding small defects is not possible for now, I'm listening to progressive rock, 70s folk, Jazz, acoustics, voices , some classic pieces, among my best known and appreciated over the years, I feel only improvements in the way of delivering music, stage, presence, cleanliness, definition and even very delicate nuances, truly extracting further small sound implications that were less evident and precise before .
I can't imagine what the tops of the brand express, and I'm curious how the Simaudio preamplifier would fit into my context, it being understood that the Emm Labs PRE is an absolute point of reference, and, for me, the preamplifier is the heart and brain of any well-set audio system, my personal beliefs but also the results of tests and listening done in numerous contexts. Where there is a performing chain, a good pre leads to a more balanced, harmonically rich, complete sound, and with a better defined and three-dimensional soundstage, all to my personal preferences, of course. . .
Dario
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I've never heard an Emm Labs PRE, but judging by its price <gulp> it must be wonderful sounding. Enjoy!
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I've never heard an Emm Labs PRE, but judging by its price <gulp> it must be wonderful sounding. Enjoy!
I have enjoyed Emm Labs sources for over 12 years, had the CDSA SE and then the XDS1 , two single chassis CD players with great communication capabilities, and I have 2 dear friends who have the CDSA SE and are very satisfied with them, plus one who has I got my XDS1 when I upgraded to the Esoteric K01x last fall.
In 2014 I had the chance to try the Emm Labs Pre 2 , which did very well with the CDSA SE , a great quality match, the Pre 2 replaced a VTL 6.5 i , and the gearbox was very impactful on speed, the cleanliness, the dynamics, and on the detail and micro-detail that have emerged in a clear and evident way. At that time I still had the ProAc Future 0.5 , then followed by the Harbeth SHL5 40th Anniversary and finally the Graham 5/9 . . .
Three years ago I had the opportunity to try out the new Emm Labs PRE, and it was lightning, immediate love, more fire, more extension, a granitic and highly articulate bass, a pre that seems not to exist in the signal path. definitive for me. . .
Yes, the price list is absolutely unwatchable, and it's a bit of a trend that is involving many Hi End brands and brands, certainly overestimated, and I won't tell you in Italy how much higher it is compared to the USA !! But after the audition I couldn't go back, the gap that divides the more than 10 years of life between the 2 electronics is too much, who says that there is no evolution and change in Hi Fi objects, or doesn't listen to them in the right conditions , or has never been able to appreciate them in real life, because they are 2 preamps with the same philosophy but with a very important performance gap.
My components usually have life cycles in the audio system of about 8-10 years, with some exceptions more or less, I'm not a compulsive in buying and changing, but when a component enters that does very well, and better, I try to conclude and look forward, obviously if I can afford it.
And the Emm Labs sources, which I've loved for over a decade, capitulated to a player like esoteric, which was a great sonic revelation.
Dario
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Ulisse60
Welcome
My brother lives in Anzio outside of Rome
The Daedalus have very high efficiency so will work wonderfully with both low watt and high watt amps
I am running Apollo 11s with a 12 Watt Per Channel Single End Triode and it is marvelous
I have my older Ulysses in my home theater and I run them with several 40-80 watt tube amps and a hybrid Moscode 250 watt amp
Both sound great
What are the dimensions of your room?
Is there a short wall / long wall scenario?
You might want to try both
Lou’s speakers are not as sensitive as others in being close to the wall behind them but the more you can get away from being very close to side walls the better.
Also you could probably use some dispersion behind the speakers to complement your absorption room treatments
Several household items can do this
All the best
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Ulisse60
Welcome
My brother lives in Anzio outside of Rome
The Daedalus have very high efficiency so will work wonderfully with both low watt and high watt amps
I am running Apollo 11s with a 12 Watt Per Channel Single End Triode and it is marvelous
I have my older Ulysses in my home theater and I run them with several 40-80 watt tube amps and a hybrid Moscode 250 watt amp
Both sound great
What are the dimensions of your room?
Is there a short wall / long wall scenario?
You might want to try both
Lou’s speakers are not as sensitive as others in being close to the wall behind them but the more you can get away from being very close to side walls the better.
Also you could probably use some dispersion behind the speakers to complement your absorption room treatments
Several household items can do this
All the best
Hi, thank you for your contribution to the discussion
I was in Rome for 3 days for work, I only got back yesterday. . .
As I already wrote on the first presentation page, the room is dedicated but very small, it certainly doesn't enhance the potential of the Ulysses, but I have to be satisfied for a few years, until I can move out to the provinces to a house where I will have a room music consistent with my sound system.
As an amplifier I have just inserted the Moon Simaudio 760 A power amp, about 130 watts, the first 5 in class A, and the result satisfies me a lot, it goes in the right direction of richer voices and some more harmonics, my system, with Esoteric had become a thin edge in the middle of the spectrum, the Moon gave a sense of greater richness and color without creating slowness or swelling, a good result for my taste
I redid the music room in the summer of 2020, and on that occasion I turned my system from the long side to the short side, and I removed the rack that was between the speakers, also starting an environmental treatment. I am aware that the distance between the speakers and the listening point is not optimal, ditto of the speakers between them, let's say that the sound stage is not the best considering the audio system, but in fact the distance from the wall does not penalize the Ulysses too much, it was worse with ProAc, Harbeth and Graham, on the other hand the timbre is valid, the extension is good, the focus and dynamics are very satisfying, in short, for now I'm satisfied and I try to make the most of what I was able to assemble with a sound objective, of truthfulness and coherence, which remain distant from the event of live music, but it seems to me that they respect the content of the recordings a lot, even comparing my system with that of some audiophile friends with excellent systems in rooms that are certainly more complete than mine .
What do you suggest as objects to help dispersion behind the speakers?? Thank you in advance for your answer
Dario
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While Lou's speakers are high sensitivity, for those that have seen the crossover networks in person, as I have, you would see that there's a lot there and because of the parts count, they like a lot of power and reward you for this. Perhaps if one listens at relatively low volumes, and/or in a small space, low powered amps would work well. The bottom line is whatever floats your boat, is good.
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While Lou's speakers are high sensitivity, for those that have seen the crossover networks in person, as I have, you would see that there's a lot there and because of the parts count, they like a lot of power and reward you for this. Perhaps if one listens at relatively low volumes, and/or in a small space, low powered amps would work well. The bottom line is whatever floats your boat, is good.
Hi Figcon
I very much agree with the need to have an amplification with an adequate reserve of power, because the musical signal is very complex and puts a strain on the response capacity of an amplifier. I have a small room but I've never thought that a few watts were the solution, also depending on the musical genres and the speakers being driven. Up until about 2 years ago I had English speakers that weren't particularly efficient, today the Daedalus can be driven with just a few watts, but if there is a reserve of power behind it, I think the music flows more naturally, less constrained and far from hardening or clipping.
I've never seen the Ulysses crossover and I don't know its components, from the data on the plate they seem driveable with very few watts, but the fact that I have a hundred, good ones, allows me to make the electronics and speakers work in peace and in synergy, without forget the importance of connections, which I would like to talk about calmly in future interventions.
I am always convinced that letting the electronics work far from their limits is essential, as is taking care of the electrical interfacing and full compatibility between the elements of the audio system, and in this I believe a good preamp is fundamental, which is the heart and the brain of a well-set sound system.
greetings, Dario
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While Lou's speakers are high sensitivity, for those that have seen the crossover networks in person, as I have, you would see that there's a lot there and because of the parts count, they like a lot of power and reward you for this. Perhaps if one listens at relatively low volumes, and/or in a small space, low powered amps would work well. The bottom line is whatever floats your boat, is good.
I find it impressive that Daedalus speakers maintain their high sensitivity with these crossovers. I also note (perhaps parenthetically) that the complexity of the crossover may be why my Apollo 11's are just a little (1.5 dB) less sensitive than my Ulysses; when I went in to upgrade the Apollo's I was surprised that high sensitivity is maintained despite this.
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Ulisse60, you have very good insight as to what it takes to make great sound. There are several reasons for the high sensitivity of Daedalus speakers, with the big one being that the drivers, especially the midrange and bass drivers, are all designed to be high sensitivity from the get go. As a professional musician, Lou knows his stuff and the Eminence and midrange drivers are high sensitivity to begin with and his use of an Aperiodic loaded cabinet also helps with the sensitivity, while providing excellent damping for tight, tuneful bass. On the single tweeter versions, I don't know how Lou gets the sensitivity, but he does just that. I suspect it's in the crossover, which, again, is very substantial. The cabinets are works of art in terms of substance and style. Great sounding loudspeakers.
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I find it impressive that Daedalus speakers maintain their high sensitivity with these crossovers. I also note (perhaps parenthetically) that the complexity of the crossover may be why my Apollo 11's are just a little (1.5 dB) less sensitive than my Ulysses; when I went in to upgrade the Apollo's I was surprised that high sensitivity is maintained despite this.
Hi Rbbert
I searched the net for info and photos of the crossovers of the Daedalus speakers, but I didn't find anything, it would be interesting if Lou gave some information on the philosophy of the crossover and on some choices that make the most of such good rating data, i.e. ease of driving, high sensitivity , constant and friendly impedance etc.
Maybe there are discussions and information that I haven't seen, actually I discovered Daedalus just over 2 years ago. . .
Do you have any information and insights on the setting of the crossover?
greetings, Dario
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Ulisse60, you have very good insight as to what it takes to make great sound. There are several reasons for the high sensitivity of Daedalus speakers, with the big one being that the drivers, especially the midrange and bass drivers, are all designed to be high sensitivity from the get go. As a professional musician, Lou knows his stuff and the Eminence and midrange drivers are high sensitivity to begin with and his use of an Aperiodic loaded cabinet also helps with the sensitivity, while providing excellent damping for tight, tuneful bass. On the single tweeter versions, I don't know how Lou gets the sensitivity, but he does just that. I suspect it's in the crossover, which, again, is very substantial. The cabinets are works of art in terms of substance and style. Great sounding loudspeakers.
Thank you, after more than 30 years of music and Hi Fi, I've got my own idea about music reproduction, and I've grown a lot thanks to live listening and dealing with some great audiophile sound systems here in Northern Italy, which they have very high profile systems.
The whole audio system must be taken care of, but the loudspeakers are the real interface between the signal and the environment, and if they are not complete and authoritative, much of the physical and mental sensations that listening to music offers are lost.
I also have a pair of ProAc Tablette 10, but it's another, very different way to listen to music. . . !!!
In fact, Lou's entire project, starting from the solid wood, from the profile of the speakers where the walls are not parallel to each other, from the choice of a non-reflex but aperiodic loading solution, all go in the direction of a speaker with great potential, certainly a little limited by my environment, but I hope in a few years to move to a more favorable location!
greetings Dario
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Hi Rbbert
I searched the net for info and photos of the crossovers of the Daedalus speakers, but I didn't find anything, it would be interesting if Lou gave some information on the philosophy of the crossover and on some choices that make the most of such good rating data, i.e. ease of driving, high sensitivity , constant and friendly impedance etc.
Maybe there are discussions and information that I haven't seen, actually I discovered Daedalus just over 2 years ago. . .
Do you have any information and insights on the setting of the crossover?
greetings, Dario
Only the schematic and the physical appearance of the crossovers during my upgrade.
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Only the schematic and the physical appearance of the crossovers during my upgrade.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Qy4u0T2L-BweVatf5mPsjQYDLCFi_L0A/view?usp=drive_link
Thank you rbbert, I 'm not an expert on the subject , but I will try to compare myself with a couple of enthusiasts who have a greater electrical and electronic culture , it will still be interesting nonetheless
greetings, Dario
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After a long time I'm back to writing, thanks to the courtesy of 2 audiophile friends I was able to compose a power signal chain with Skogrand cables, and I'd like to convey some impressions about listening to music with this which I consider to be a real upgrade in many respects.
I think Skogrand is not very well known, at least here in Italy I don't know if there are many pieces by this manufacturer, I was lucky enough to listen to a chain with Tchaikowski cables, and I was impressed by its realism, impact, dynamics, sense of completeness , great timbre and fluency of the musical message, and therefore I tried to find used cables of the brand.
I start by saying that I have always paid attention to the electrical part, with a dedicated line from the meter, Furutech current distributor, well-made power cables and above all with a project and geometry behind it, and I have had many signal and power cables from different brands notice .
So when I have the opportunity to listen with quality accessories and cables, I hardly hold back !!!
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Beethoven Skogrand signal cables between CD Esoteric and PRE Emm Labs
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My listenings were made with known CDs, well recorded songs, Jazz, voices and music that I have been using for years to evaluate any new addition to my audio system.
The sense of realism that immediately emerges is the first element that strikes me in the way of proposing the music, great fire, amount of subtle and hidden details, clean sound lines, precisely outlined, you can follow all the instruments without overlapping or masking sound, I would say cables that do not alter, equalize or color the musical message.
Speed, linearity, extension, silence superior to my already valuable references, but here we have the perception of a decidedly natural and coherent amalgam of sound.
Only listening to a Stealth Sakra V 16 inserted between CD and PRE struck me for its extreme cohesion and naturalness, perhaps a little better than the Beethoven Skogrand, but we are talking about subtle differences.
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The way of presenting the musical program appears to me as more realistic and engaging, even if in some moments it almost seems that the information is really a lot, almost to put my ability to follow the music that flows in the environment to the whip, almost a sort of slight listening fatigue, but on balance better a few hours of deep immersion in the sounds than prolonged but not very emotional listening !!
greetings, dario
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You must be about ten hours ahead of the east coast of the USA.
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Good morning everyone, after the summer break, thanks to the very heat and the holidays, the audio system was often turned off, and after interesting listening to the Skogrand cables, really valuable, I had the opportunity to try a final in class at , the Gryphon Essence, as per the attached photo. Truly an excellent amplification, which has fitted very well into my audio system, and is making me think that 50 watts of this level could represent a definitive arrival point with the Ulysses. . . Some experience regarding Gryphon and any advice on the power cable, it is a C20 and I have never had C20 sockets, on a base on which to place the amplifier which is now on the floor, and any other considerations on driving and characteristics of the amplifier mentioned, thanks
regards, Dario
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A little update on the Gryphon Essence
After a week of listening to songs and works that I have known for 25 years, listened to in numerous systems other than mine and at audio fairs and events, I can affirm, in my opinion, that this Essence maintains what the name wants to indicate, that is, it goes all the way 'essence of Music, with a capital EMME.
The best final amplifier passed through my system, a sound and musical realism that I did not expect, will keep the Ulysses company in the partnership that will continue until I have good ears to listen to music, by me and for my tastes, definitively. . .
regards, Dario
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Several afternoons and evenings of listening confirm the remarkable qualities of the Gryphon, I would like to know if any of the Daedalus owners have listened to this combination and possibly if there are any interesting suggestions on the speaker amplifier connection cables, such as characteristics of materials or choices of geometries and possibly the models used in your system.
I am also evaluating whether the final placed on the ground on its standard feet can be placed in better insulation conditions, Gryphon offers black feet, i.e. tips that replace the rubber feet, I was thinking of Gaia or other equivalent products that insulate instead of pair . . .
Thank you for any suggestions, advice or experiences you would like to share!!
regards, Dario
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Hello, Dario.
While I have heard a Gryphon amp before, it was in an unfamiliar system/different speakers, so I don't know how your amp might sound with your Ulysses speakers. Very soon, I will have a new pair of mono 300b amps in my system, and I'm looking forward to new enjoyment in music.
Michael
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Good morning everyone, I'm listening to a pair of Nordost Tyr 2 speaker cables, and I'm appreciating what I hear, I was a little prejudiced about Nordost cables, having listened to some models from the first series, but these Tyr 2 are remarkable for extension, dynamics and detail , with a good tone and bass present and retained but not dry, nice speaker cables, without a doubt. . . !!
Any experience with Nordost cabling? Speakers cables first and foremost, but also ac power or signal, thanks for your feedback
regards, Dario
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Have a good day everyone, what you see in the photo are the plastic feet of the Gryphon Essence
Really cheap, and in fact Gryphon offers black spikes, I screwed M6 size Soundcare Superspikes in place of the feet and the sound gained in focus and linearity, greater control in the bass, excellent result, of course they could have used better made supports and quality. . . Greetings Dario
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Hello everyone
The latest local music update, very satisfied with the musical result, I'll stop everything for now, listen to music, metabolise sound and sound parameters, some components are still being run in, for news , we'll see next year!!!
If there are any curiosities, requests for information or anything else, I would be happy if you write here :wink:
regards, Dario
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Hi everyone
With the curiosity that always accompanies me in the audio field, I brought home a pair of Spendor SA 1, mini speakers from several years ago, but when Hi Fi objects are well designed and built, the result is always interesting.
The Spendors have only been in the music room for 2 days, but they are really fascinating me . . .
I really like the sound they offer, the finish, the less invasiveness compared to the Ulysses, they pay a toll both at the top and especially at the bottom, but it's a correct and pleasant listen. . . !
Dario
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Hi everyone
It's been a long time since I wrote here, but I had personal and work commitments, I wanted to share some small updates, including the insertion of a Furutech FP-3TS762 power cable, with Schuko and IEC 19A Furutech FI 52, assembled by me and which compares with the Zavfino, up to the possibility of trying other power cables for the Gryphon Essence.
Furthermore, I was able to try a pair of xlr cables between pre and power, which really impressed me in many parameters, the Kimber KS 1130, instead of the current AG signal,An artisanal product which is very good in relation to the cost, but which shows various limitations, as I could have expected, and today it represents a bit of the weak point of my current wiring, so I will try to find a good used one from Kimber, regards, Dario
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Hi everyone
With the curiosity that always accompanies me in the audio field, I brought home a pair of Spendor SA 1, mini speakers from several years ago, but when Hi Fi objects are well designed and built, the result is always interesting.
The Spendors have only been in the music room for 2 days, but they are really fascinating me . . .
I really like the sound they offer, the finish, the less invasiveness compared to the Ulysses, they pay a toll both at the top and especially at the bottom, but it's a correct and pleasant listen. . . !
Dario
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Hello, Dario.
I missed this post in November - too busy with other things, I think.
I quite like the Spendor sound in its Classic two- and three-way configurations. I periodically consider adding a pair of Spendor two-ways for my home office, but haven't actually purchased any. I auditioned a pair of D7 speakers a couple years ago that left me flat and very underwhelmed.
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Hello, Dario.
I missed this post in November - too busy with other things, I think.
I quite like the Spendor sound in its Classic two- and three-way configurations. I periodically consider adding a pair of Spendor two-ways for my home office, but haven't actually purchased any. I auditioned a pair of D7 speakers a couple years ago that left me flat and very underwhelmed.
Hello Mresseguie,
The Spendor floor standing speakers are very different from the classic 2-way stand speakers, I don't have great listening experiences with the D7, but if I wanted floor standing speakers I would look elsewhere, while I have had, for reasons of space and listening curiosity, several stand projects, by ProAc, the Tablette 2000, the Studio 1, the Studio 100, the SM 100, and the latest Tablette ten. . .
I had the P3 ES from Harbeth many years ago, I think the latest ones are definitely better, from Spendor the S3/5R2, and these SA1, with their original stands that I found just before Christmas. . .
The best is ???
Spendor SA1!!!
They are speakers from 2009, and Spendor has made a lot of effort to best harmonize the 2 transducers, the crossover and the internal wiring, not least the 2 WBT terminals.
Definitely a quality product, which already cost around 1300 pounds in 2010, and around 400 pounds for the dedicated stands.
Expensive as stand speakers, but the quality certainly comes out when listening, in my system/environment they did very well, compared to the Spendor S375R2 and the Tablette ten, they sounded more lively, tonally very correct even in comparison with the Ulysses, obviously on a smaller scale, but they showed correct timbre, refinement, greater extension and coherence than the other 2 in comparison, above all, very engaging, with the limits that the dimensions and the woofer impose, but enjoyable and coherent, definitely a mini worth trying to listen to!!
If you happen to find a pair, in my opinion, to be taken into great consideration for a second system or for less impactful but equally satisfying listening. . .
regards, Dario
P.S. I
I have saved several files from the web on the SA1, reviews and presentations of the speakers, I don't know if it is welcome to mention other platforms and magazines here, if so, send me your email address and I can send you the documentation I have on the SA1 privately
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Hello Forum readers,
latest updates, I found a pair of Kimber KS 1136, 1 meter, used, really excellent, connected between pre and power amplifier, they have improved the sound a lot in terms of naturalness and refinement, focus and microdynamics.
Furthermore, at the suggestion of a friend, I placed the Gryphon alongside the audio rack, so I was able to use a much shorter, while still managing to make the best use of the Nordost Tyr cables between the power amplifier and the speakers. !!In addition, I removed the Furutech TP 609e power distributor, gaining a little in dynamics and cleanliness, by connecting the power cables directly to the wall.
A real gem was the possibility, thanks to the kindness of a friend who bought it, but not connected it because he was waiting for the speakers, of a Stealth Dream 20/20 power cable, which I inserted into the audio preamplifier.
What can I say, a cable with astonishing properties, it seems to have changed a component of the audio system, incredible dynamics, fire, extension, a notable energy boost, a higher stage and all this without forcing dynamics or timbres, a naturalness that is difficult to understand without listening. . .
Greetings , Dario
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Good morning everyone,
I wanted to wish a happy Easter to all the participants in the Forum, and thank you for following me up to over 20,000 views!!
I am very amazed at this attention to my modest audio system and to the things I have written, after many years of refinement I think I have achieved a good result, but like many audio enthusiasts the desire to do better and to listen to more is always present, although today I think I have reached the limits of the environment, so I think I will listen to music and when I can offer a better room for the music, start again with some increments, such as inserting the bows I have aside. . .
Best wishes and questions or further information are welcome
hello Dario
P.S. Two images of the last configuration !
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