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Title: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 30 Mar 2017, 06:18 pm
Hello, NuPrime Circle,

I'd like to ask a question. Here are the details:

I have  large room 28'x26'x11'ft. I'm using a ported three-way four driver speaker (two 6 1/2" woofers) with a low of 2.9ohms in the lower mids and bass. I'm looking for big tone and room filling sound with an ease to the presentation whether listening or watching a movie.

I want an integrated and the IDA-16 looks like the way to go but I wanted to get feedback from NuPrime owners or those at NuPrime to validate my choice. Thanks for any feedback.

Cheers,

Scott

Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Evoke on 30 Mar 2017, 08:27 pm
Scott -


I have personal experience with the NuPrime products from the IDA-8 all the way through the line. I use them in development and amp comparison with my speakers. The IDA-16 is a GREAT integrated amp. That said .....


You have a HUGE room. I know a lot of people who would die or a room of that volume. That kind of space really allows for an ideal speaker set-up to get that sense of "air" in imaging etc. (Yes to those who comment about 28 and 26 being about the same - it does create some harmonics but for anything reasonable it's better than many rooms I'm typically used to dealing with...)


So what would help me and everyone in this threat would be to know more about your speakers. Also - you refer to big tone and room filling sound. I know what I mean by that for me - but I don't know what that means for you.


My experience suggests that 100 watts per channel in a room that large requires an efficient speaker if you want really loud volumes. And I can pretty much say if you want loud movie sound effects (LFE) that you need a sub. 6 1/2" woofers simply don't move enough air to do that in such a large room. Where did you source the 2.9 ohm spec?


I hope you don't mind all the questions. I just want to make sure that I and anyone else can help you have the best sound as possible in your room.


Mark



Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 30 Mar 2017, 09:17 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 30 Mar 2017, 09:19 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Evoke on 30 Mar 2017, 09:37 pm
Mark,

Great post, thanks. The room is a typical open floor plan (great room, dining, kitchen). We do have a partial wall of about 14' that is open at the top into the kitchen (makes it nice that we don't have to keep the kitchen spotless


Hello, Samac -


Sounds to me like you have an area that will focus on your music and film use. I'm guessing the flat screen between the speakers. Will the front speakers be between 6 to 8 feet apart? Will you be about 8 feet away from the TV? I'm making some assumptions here.


Mark
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 30 Mar 2017, 09:57 pm
Hey, Mark,

Sorry, that's only a fraction of my post. I sent it twice, thinking that it would fully load after moderation. I'll try to send it again on my iPad. If it doesn't go through I'll re-type on my laptop.

Thanks for hanging in there with me.

Cheers,

Scott
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 30 Mar 2017, 09:58 pm
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Post by: Samac on 30 Mar 2017, 10:06 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 30 Mar 2017, 10:57 pm
Mark,

Great post, thanks. The room is a typical open floor plan (great room, dining, kitchen). We do have a partial wall of about 14' in length that is open at the top into the kitchen (makes it nice that we don't have to keep the kitchen spotless :D). Unfortunately ideal speaker placement isn't an option but it's not bad. The back of the speakers are 18" off the front wall, the right speaker is 3' off the side wall and the left speaker in free space.

By big tone I mean that music, intsruments and vocals sound natural. To expound in room filling: I sit 14' from the speakers so I'm looking for the music to "reach' me better when I'm listening to music. On the movie side of things I'm looking for an amp that I don't have to worry about the amp being under-powered. I'm not looking for THX ref. sound. For movies and music I would like to hit mid to upper 90dbs (which would make for about 90db peaks at my listening position). The LFE frequencies I'm not concerned with (although a sub would be nice down the road).

I'm using Bowers and Wilkins 683 S2 speakers. The 2.9 0hm low is from Stereophile measurements. Hope this helps. If you need any more info, let me know. Thanks.

Cheers,

Scott
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Evoke on 31 Mar 2017, 01:21 am
Mark,

Great post, thanks. The room is a typical open floor plan (great room, dining, kitchen). We do have a partial wall of about 14' in length that is open at the top into the kitchen (makes it nice that we don't have to keep the kitchen spotless :D ). Unfortunately ideal speaker placement isn't an option but it's not bad. The back of the speakers are 18" off the front wall, the right speaker is 3' off the side wall and the left speaker in free space.

By big tone I mean that music, intsruments and vocals sound natural. To expound in room filling: I sit 14' from the speakers so I'm looking for the music to "reach' me better when I'm listening to music. On the movie side of things I'm looking for an amp that I don't have to worry about the amp being under-powered. I'm not looking for THX ref. sound. For movies and music I would like to hit mid to upper 90dbs (which would make for about 90db peaks at my listening position). The LFE frequencies I'm not concerned with (although a sub would be nice down the road).

I'm using Bowers and Wilkins 683 S2 speakers. The 2.9 0hm low is from Stereophile measurements. Hope this helps. If you need any more info, let me know. Thanks.

Cheers,

Scott


OK - good input, thanks. Your right speaker is going to have a bit if a rise in bass response due to the side wall. If you can move it left a few feet that will help. I don't know how wide apart the speakers are but here are a few ratios: 1:1 is critical near field style listening. 1:1.5 is the traditional spot where the engineer masters the sound for a film. 1:2 is a further laid back kind of sound. Think of a tic-tac-toe set up - front/center/back. Is your head 14' from the front of the speaker? Is there space behind you to the back wall so you don't have muddy sounds due to bass loading at the back of the room?


As for the power. The BW speaker is average efficiency at 89 dB as is my Eddie reference. He can play loud with 100 watts. Above that it's really an extension of dynamics and headroom. That said, bass uses most of the power. If you get a sub and crossover at 80 Hz, 24 dB/octave you will get that movie low end as well as the extension on well-recorded music. AND that sub takes the load away from the BW and amp to sound best above 80. You will hear a smoothness with less strain, more dynamics and pick up more headroom. I suggest using the system without a sub to begin. Mind you when you go to choose a sub you'll have to match the quality of the BW unless you're only using LFE that is less picky with movies. I'd start with a single 15" in your room and go from there.


Mark
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 31 Mar 2017, 02:17 pm
Mark,

Thanks for the reply. My speakers are 7' apart and the back wall is 10' behind me. I can't change this set-up. I'm using a 50 watt integrated now; And for low to medium volumes it is satisfying. I'm hoping the 200 watts of the IDA-16 will enable me to enjoy higher spls at my listening position and control my speakers well and add a more ease to the music.

In the future I may add a sub for LFE movie effects and for filling in the sub 30hz range for music. I understand your point of a sub and crossing over at 80hz but I really would rather just listen to the B&Ws on their own for music. They do have outstanding bass.

Cheers,

Scott
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Evoke on 31 Mar 2017, 04:43 pm
Mark,

Thanks for the reply. My speakers are 7' apart and the back wall is 10' behind me. I can't change this set-up. I'm using a 50 watt integrated now; And for low to medium volumes it is satisfying. I'm hoping the 200 watts of the IDA-16 will enable me to enjoy higher spls at my listening position and control my speakers well and add a more ease to the music.

In the future I may add a sub for LFE movie effects and for filling in the sub 30hz range for music. I understand your point of a sub and crossing over at 80hz but I really would rather just listen to the B&Ws on their own for music. They do have outstanding bass.

Cheers,

Scott


From what you have said - everything sounds really good. I think the added power with the NuPrime will give you a lot of headroom - but you will most likely hear a lot of detail you might have been missing. As for the sub I'm with you. Just the main speakers sound very coherent. When adding a sub matching requires a lot of attention. When you get there jump back on the forums about that. Have a great weekend and don't ask for any advice on April Fools Day LOL

Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 31 Mar 2017, 05:35 pm
Thanks for the reply, Mark. I was in the Evoke circle (fantastic looking speakers, btw). I happened to read the thread where you mentioned going from a 100 watt NuPrime integrated to the STA-9 and hearing an appreciable difference Int presentation. That what I'm hoping for if I go with the IDA-16 :)

I'm using an Arcam A19 integrated with the Arcam rDAC. The Arcam has a fantastic preamp section with the best volume control I've used. It's been very hard finding a relatively affordable integrated with more power that has as good of a pre section as my Arcam. What struck me when reading about the IDA-16 was the attention paid to the preamp section of it.

Anyway, I hope you have a great weekend yourself and I'll look out for April Fools jokes. :thumb:

Cheers,

Scott
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Evoke on 31 Mar 2017, 05:50 pm
Thanks for the reply, Mark. I was in the Evoke circle (fantastic looking speakers, btw). I happened to read the thread where you mentioned going from a 100 watt NuPrime integrated to the STA-9 and hearing an appreciable difference Int presentation. That what I'm hoping for if I go with the IDA-16 :)

I'm using an Arcam A19 integrated with the Arcam rDAC. The Arcam has a fantastic preamp section with the best volume control I've used. It's been very hard finding a relatively affordable integrated with more power that has as good of a pre section as my Arcam. What struck me when reading about the IDA-16 was the attention paid to the preamp section of it.

Anyway, I hope you have a great weekend yourself and I'll look out for April Fools jokes. :thumb:

Cheers,

Scott


I don't want to compare one product to another. That can get pretty sticky. But I can say from personal experience that you should achieve your goal. I look forward to your response when you hear the BW with the NuPrime.




Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 31 Mar 2017, 07:01 pm
Thanks, appreciate the insight. I will post my impressions. I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 31 Mar 2017, 11:13 pm
Ok, Mark helped me with great advice and insight. I've spent the past week researching and I have to say I'm impressed.

Now it's time for other NuPrime owners in general and IDA-16 owners in particular to encourage me towards a purchase with stories of satisfied ownership; Of the reliability of NuPrime products and the support that NuPrime offers. :thumb:

I've enjoyed reading the reviews but there's much value in reading about the experiences of satisfied customers.

Thanks for any input.

Cheers,

Scott
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: mresseguie on 1 Apr 2017, 12:01 am
Ok, Mark helped me with great advice and insight. I've spent the past week researching and I have to say I'm impressed.

Now it's time for other NuPrime owners in general and IDA-16 owners in particular to encourage me towards a purchase with stories of satisfied ownership; Of the reliability of NuPrime products and the support that NuPrime offers. :thumb:

I've enjoyed reading the reviews but there's much value in reading about the experiences of satisfied customers.

Thanks for any input.

Cheers,

Scott

Hello, Scott.

If you check the other many threads in the Nuprime circle, you will discover many owners' positive comments, I think. If memory serves me, there have not been as many IDA-16 comments as there have been for the IDA-8, ST-10, or the MCH K38 amps.

Personally, I cannot speak to the IDA-16's sound as I have not heard it, but I own both an IDA-8 and an ST-10. I'm delighted with both for different reasons. I bought the IDA-8 initially for my vacation home. Now, it's my travel amp that accompanies my wife and me across N. America. The ST-10 replaced the IDA-8 in my vacation home (along with a new preamp and new DAC). The ST-10 very much suits my needs.

Regards,

Michael

P.S. I have had the pleasure of meeting Mark. Rest assured, he knows a lot about audio and a helluva lot about speakers. His Eddies sound great!
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 1 Apr 2017, 12:27 am
Hello, Scott.

If you check the other many threads in the Nuprime circle, you will discover many owners' positive comments, I think. If memory serves me, there have not been as many IDA-16 comments as there have been for the IDA-8, ST-10, or the MCH K38 amps.

Personally, I cannot speak to the IDA-16's sound as I have not heard it, but I own both an IDA-8 and an ST-10. I'm delighted with both for different reasons. I bought the IDA-8 initially for my vacation home. Now, it's my travel amp that accompanies my wife and me across N. America. The ST-10 replaced the IDA-8 in my vacation home (along with a new preamp and new DAC). The ST-10 very much suits my needs.

Regards,

Michael

P.S. I have had the pleasure of meeting Mark. Rest assured, he knows a lot about audio and a helluva lot about speakers. His Eddies sound great!

Thanks for the reply, Michael.

You've hit in something I've noticed; That there isn't as much talk/activity about the IDA-16. Although I gather from the reviews and the few owner comments that it is a fine amp.

I'm In a tough spot because I would prefer an all in one solution and the IDA-8, while I am sure is an excellent amp, I'm unsure if it could completely handle my big room and speakers.

Yours is the kind of feedback I'm looking for. I'm hoping some IDA-16 owners might chime in. I have read many older post with satisfied owners but it's nice to read new posts from owners that continue to be satisfied.

Yes, Mark's speakers look outstanding. What I'd give to hear the Alex in my room.

Thanks again, Michael, I appreciate it.

Cheers,

Scott
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: mresseguie on 1 Apr 2017, 01:08 am
Scott,

You're welcome.

I looked at B&W's website info on your speakers, and I reread your first post where you mentioned your room size. My inexpert opinion is to forget about the IDA-8. I think you are right to consider the IDA-16.

Sure, the IDA-8 has enough power to play music through your speakers. However, I'd like to argue that your speakers won't 'sing' if you know what I mean. You won't realize their full potential - and I'm not saying they won't get loud because they will. The highs may be a bit thin without that extra headroom and the midrange won't be quite as sweet as it should be.

It's been a while since I reviewed the IDA-16's specs, but I seem to recall both the preamp and DAC are superior to what you get in the IDA-8.

Enjoy your journey. I'm having a blast with my journey.

Michael (sometimes referred to as Mr. Esseguie  :lol: )
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 1 Apr 2017, 01:32 am
Scott,

You're welcome.

I looked at B&W's website info on your speakers, and I reread your first post where you mentioned your room size. My inexpert opinion is to forget about the IDA-8. I think you are right to consider the IDA-16.

Sure, the IDA-8 has enough power to play music through your speakers. However, I'd like to argue that your speakers won't 'sing' if you know what I mean. You won't realize their full potential - and I'm not saying they won't get loud because they will. The highs may be a bit thin without that extra headroom and the midrange won't be quite as sweet as it should be.

It's been a while since I reviewed the IDA-16's specs, but I seem to recall both the preamp and DAC are superior to what you get in the IDA-8.

Enjoy your journey. I'm having a blast with my journey.

Michael (sometimes referred to as Mr. Esseguie  :lol: )

Michael,

Thanks for the input. I know exactly what you mean. You nailed it; I want my speakers too sing. Like you said, just like the IDA-8 my 50 watt integrated can play very loud with my speakers but it doesn't sound very good.

I've got a tough decision to make with a tight budget but the input from you and Mark has been very helpful. Thanks again.

Cheers,

Scott
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: mresseguie on 1 Apr 2017, 04:45 am
Scott,

You've been sent a PM.

Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: triumph on 1 Apr 2017, 04:47 pm
I'm sorry to say, but I think you are looking at the wrong end of your problem.

As it was stated, your 2 little 6.5" woofers per speaker will not be able to move much air in such a big room.  Might be one of the reason why you think it is thin sounding.

Changing to a new amp (hey, I'm all in when it comes to new toys, if they make sense), I doubt it will change much.

You have to work with the room you have, or adjust your expectations related to the products you can have.

Another reason for the sound being not so great is room interaction.  There is no perfect speaker that can be placed in any room and sound great. 
If you can, physical room treatments should be installed.  That means bass traps, reflective panels, ...
If physical treatments are not possible, you could go DSP to adjust to your room's acoustics.

Just saying... There's no magic.  It's sound waves and math.  It's all a process of measuring and adapting to achieve the best sound we can have, with the means available to us.
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 1 Apr 2017, 05:09 pm
I'm sorry to say, but I think you are looking at the wrong end of your problem.

As it was stated, your 2 little 6.5" woofers per speaker will not be able to move much air in such a big room.  Might be one of the reason why you think it is thin sounding.

Changing to a new amp (hey, I'm all in when it comes to new toys, if they make sense), I doubt it will change much.

You have to work with the room you have, or adjust your expectations related to the products you can have.

Another reason for the sound being not so great is room interaction.  There is no perfect speaker that can be placed in any room and sound great. 
If you can, physical room treatments should be installed.  That means bass traps, reflective panels, ...
If physical treatments are not possible, you could go DSP to adjust to your room's acoustics.

Just saying... There's no magic.  It's sound waves and math.  It's all a process of measuring and adapting to achieve the best sound we can have, with the means available to us.

Triumph,

Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, if I was disappointed with my speakers I would approach things differently. The thing is I am completely satisfied with them.

Low to medium volumes are good. It's that the 50 watts I have now has its limits with the rom size and load of the speakers. If I was in a room, say as big as 15'x20', I wouldn't even be looking fo an amp.

I need more brawn and headroom, thus the search for beefier watts.

Cheers,

Scott
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 3 Apr 2017, 12:10 am
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Evoke on 3 Apr 2017, 04:32 am
Mark and Michael,

I just ordered an IDA-16. Let's hope I have the same success that you've had with your NuPrimes. Thanks again for the helpful replies. I'll keep you posted.

Cheers,

Scott


Congrats, Scott -


I'm sure the thread will enjoy hearing from you when you've had a chance to settle in from some critical listening.


Mark
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: mresseguie on 3 Apr 2017, 07:52 am
Scott,

I suspect you'll be quite happy with the IDA-16. Give it some time to properly break in. Then, come back here and give us your impressions.

Many people report that DACs (many different brands) required 100, 150, even 200 hours to fully break in. Mine need a minimum of 100 hours.

Enjoy!

Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: John Casler on 4 Apr 2017, 05:05 pm
Hi Scott,

The larger number of IDA-8 reviews is simply due to the affordability and highly reviewed quality.  Audiophiles, when they move to higher level gear more often than not go to separates, rather than integrateds.

Regarding the IDA-16; It is easily the match of units costing many times more.  Michael mentioned enjoying his ST-10, and the amp section of the IDA-16 is most similar to the ST-10, except with MORE power.

It would be hard to think of any Integrated that would meet your needs as well at anywhere close to the price point.

As a dealer, I have spent considerable time with the IDA-16.  Most of it was through a pair of large floor standing speakers (VMPS RM-40) and in a 20 x 30 room.  The 200wpc ran those speakers like they were easy loads, so the power is there.

Your primary challenge is your listening position, and wishing to get a "near-field" experience with a "far-field" position.

As the sound leaves your speakers, it begins to disperse and reduce in energy.  That is, the sound energy spreads out and as it does loudness reduces.  As well reflected sound increases in a relationship to direct sound.

This then means you need to use a higher SPL to achieve clarity and detail.

The IDA-16 has not only significant power to allow this, but has the transparency and detail at higher volume levels to help you with your goals.

There are other methods and means too that would help, such as choosing a speaker with less directivity (dispersion) such as a Line Array, or some planar and ribbon type speakers with a reduced directivity.

In any event (keeping in mind I am a dealer) I think you will find the IDA-16 one of, if not your best choice, especially at that price point.  Many high quality DACs cost that much, and with the IDA-16, you get the whole package.




Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 4 Apr 2017, 07:35 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: mresseguie on 6 Apr 2017, 02:53 pm
Take your mind off it or the anticipation will drive you (and likely your wife) mad.

Okay. I admit to not taking my own advice when I ordered various pieces of equipment. I am looking forward to your impressions - especially once it's got >100 hours on it.  :thumb:

Michael
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Evoke on 6 Apr 2017, 03:55 pm
FedEx tells me it's due to arrive Tuesday. The wait begins. Really looking forward to this. :thumb:

Cheers,

Scott


When I got my new car I scrubbed the garage floor and sat there for a while. I'm not normal however  :lol:
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 6 Apr 2017, 03:59 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 6 Apr 2017, 04:04 pm

When I got my new car I scrubbed the garage floor and sat there for a while. I'm not normal however  :lol:

Mark,

I can completely relate and I think you are normal. I mean, who wouldn't do that? :thumb:

Hey, when I put the amp in I'll dust and mop the floor. The system always sound better after the room has been cleaned. :D

Cheers,

Scott
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: John Casler on 6 Apr 2017, 04:20 pm
Listen to your favorite "reference" cuts and be prepared to hear more and deeper into the recording.  In some cases it may be significant, and in others subtle.

Bass, fullness, transparency, and detail should be greater.

Do, be prepared to have some of your less well engineered cuts be maybe less fullfilling if they were not recorded or engineered well.

However, on well done recordings, your Sonic Enjoyment will be enhanced.

Listen for Bass Harmonics, and detail and transparency without edgy harshness.

Have fun. . . :thumb:
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 6 Apr 2017, 04:52 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: damguz on 13 Apr 2017, 11:07 am
Come on.  I have been following your thread and anguish over the performance of the new Toy. 3 days have passed since arrival, and?
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: mresseguie on 13 Apr 2017, 12:08 pm
C'mon, Scott.

My life is on hold, too! Okay. Maybe not on hold, but I am curious.
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 13 Apr 2017, 12:42 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Evoke on 13 Apr 2017, 03:01 pm
Michael, as I sit here this morning listening I am a very happy boy. I work from home and the system is on 14-16 hours a day so the IDA-16 has about 40 hours on it. :D

Cheers,

Scott

Hello, Scott -

Congrats. I was fairly confident you would be feeling this way. For me I enjoyed many surprises over the first 30 days when I got my K38 - revisiting music I hadn't listened to for a while. Enjoy.

Mark
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 13 Apr 2017, 04:26 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: damguz on 21 Apr 2017, 01:45 am
Thank you.....
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 27 Apr 2017, 07:00 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Evoke on 27 Apr 2017, 07:56 pm
I have spent a little over two weeks with my IDA-16. Since my system is on and playing music all day it has accumulated over 200 hundred hours. The sound continues to refine and open up. I have enjoyed my system more the last few days than I have the past ten years. That's my fault, really. Being on a budget I've tried amps and speakers that were too small for my listening space. The combination of the Bowers and Wilkins 683 S2 and the NuPrime IDA-16 is working very well in our large room.

More thoughts later.

Here are a few pics:

Cheers,

Scott

That's so great, Scott !!!
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: John Casler on 27 Apr 2017, 08:56 pm
I have spent a little over two weeks with my IDA-16. Since my system is on and playing music all day it has accumulated over 200 hundred hours. The sound continues to refine and open up. I have enjoyed my system more the last few days than I have the past ten years. That's my fault, really. Being on a budget I've tried amps and speakers that were too small for my listening space. The combination of the Bowers and Wilkins 683 S2 and the NuPrime IDA-16 is working very well in our large room.

More thoughts later.

Here are a few pics:

Cheers,

Scott





Looks like my prognostication was accurate.

Very happy to hear your feedback.

ALL my IDA-16 customers say the same thing.
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 27 Apr 2017, 09:22 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 27 Apr 2017, 09:23 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: mresseguie on 27 Apr 2017, 10:03 pm
Geez. Maybe I ought to trade up from my IDA-8...
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 27 Apr 2017, 11:57 pm
Geez. Maybe I ought to trade up from my IDA-8...

 :o :D
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 12 May 2017, 08:41 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: damguz on 2 Jun 2017, 12:08 am
Ao good to hear you are enjoying your new purchase that much and rediscovering the pleasure of just listening to music.

The same has been my experience and it is just nice.....

thank you for your continuous updates. 
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: mresseguie on 2 Jun 2017, 06:55 am
Hi, Gustavo! Long time no see. Do you own an IDA-16?

I keep wondering if I ought to sell my IDA-8 and buy an IDA-16 for my travel system.  :scratch:

Michael
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: damguz on 2 Jun 2017, 11:12 am
Hi, Gustavo! Long time no see. Do you own an IDA-16?

I keep thinking I ought to sell my IDA-8 and buy an IDA-16 for my travel system.  :scratch:

Michael

No.  It is an IDA-8 that has made my life better. Just a beautiful piece of hardware.
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: rustydoglim on 2 Jun 2017, 05:56 pm
Hi, Gustavo! Long time no see. Do you own an IDA-16?

I keep wondering if I ought to sell my IDA-8 and buy an IDA-16 for my travel system.  :scratch:

Michael

Who brings along their audio system for travel  :scratch:
May be in an RV.
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: mresseguie on 2 Jun 2017, 07:43 pm
Who brings along their audio system for travel  :scratch:
May be in an RV.

A dedicated addict.....er....enthusiast!

It works really well thanks to your IDA-8. It might work with an IDA-16.

Jason,

My wife and I pack all our travel gear/clothing/etc. into my Tacoma Access pickup and travel in style. We stay in AirBnBs, VRBO.com homes, or short-term rentals (because they're much cheaper than motels). Last year, I brought the IDA-8 and used GR Research LGK speakers. This year, I've still got the IDA-8, but I've brought along my Jeff Bagby designed Adelphos monitors. My computer is my source. Aaaahhhhh....sweet... :thumb:

Last year, my espresso maker/grinder took up a lot of room in the bed of my Tacoma, but they are in Taiwan now, so there's more room!

Your IDA-8 made this possible. I've probably got enough extra room that I could replace my IDA-8 with an IDA-16.

Do I want an IDA-16, or do I want to wait until 2018 to find out what cool projects you have cooking up with your mad scientist engineers? Hmm. Decisions, decisions....I'd have to sell my beloved IDA-8.... :cry: Sigh.
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: damguz on 2 Jun 2017, 08:23 pm
Your IDA-8 made this possible. I've probably got enough extra room that I could replace my IDA-8 with an IDA-16.

Do I want an IDA-16, or do I want to wait until 2018 to find out what cool projects you have cooking up with your mad scientist engineers? Hmm. Decisions, decisions....I'd have to sell my beloved IDA-8.... :cry: Sigh.

Havent you heard of the Travelling MCH-K38????  Sure Mr. Casler can hook you up with one
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: mresseguie on 2 Jun 2017, 08:36 pm
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That would sound great, but then I'm leaving the 'all-in-one-box' design.

Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: JackD on 3 Jun 2017, 12:27 am
Michael

The IDA-16 should do well in a laptop case and then can go anywhere.

https://www.amazon.com/Water-resistant-Notebook-Computer-Ultrabook-Briefcase/dp/B01C8CB9JS/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1496449504&sr=1-4&keywords=17+inch+laptop+bag
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: triumph on 3 Jun 2017, 12:02 pm
A dedicated addict.....er....enthusiast!

It works really well thanks to your IDA-8. It might work with an IDA-16.

Last year, my espresso maker/grinder took up a lot of room in the bed of my Tacoma, but they are in Taiwan now, so there's more room!

Bring that grinder back, and get the Feima grinder here in Taiwan.  It's just as good as the original they copied. 
:)
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 3 Jun 2017, 06:45 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 21 Aug 2017, 06:31 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: restrav on 21 Aug 2017, 07:58 pm
I wanted to post a very brief update. I've had the IDA-16 for nearly five months. It has been a pleasure to own and use. Something that doesn't get a lot of attention on integrateds and pre-amps is the volume control. The IDA-16s volume control is fantastic. The precise  control you have in adjusting volume is great. Once you experience that it's hard to go back to something less.

The sound coming from the IDA-16 is dynamic and balanced with very good tone. Whether listening to music or watching a movie I don't find myself analyzing the sound. Everything is there and I enjoy whatever is playing.

Anyway, a quick post for those interested. There's a lot of competition out the in the integrated amp game. With 200 powerful watts and a great DSD capable DAC For $2k; I believe the IDA-16 is hard to beat.

I'm one happy camper.

Cheers, 

Scott

That's awesome, good for you. I still have an ida8 and I like the sound and ida16 seems like the next logical upgrade.

I just wanna say that volume does not get enough attention as you said.  After how the amp actually sounds, volume is the single most important feature for me. Comes before any other feature. Many nice sounding and nicely priced tube apps suffer from cheap volume pots and that's a shame.
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: rustydoglim on 15 Sep 2017, 04:38 pm
That's awesome, good for you. I still have an ida8 and I like the sound and ida16 seems like the next logical upgrade.

I just wanna say that volume does not get enough attention as you said.  After how the amp actually sounds, volume is the single most important feature for me. Comes before any other feature. Many nice sounding and nicely priced tube apps suffer from cheap volume pots and that's a shame.

Exactly! We have an article (published under Guide section) that about this issue being the dominant factor for new generation of DAC design. DAC chips have become so good that there is no audible difference between ESS 9018, 9028 and 9038 for example.  We find 9038 too sterile and decided not to use it. 
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: srb on 15 Sep 2017, 05:32 pm
DAC chips have become so good that there is no audible difference between ESS 9018, 9028 and 9038 for example.  We find 9038 too sterile and decided not to use it.

If you find the 9038 too sterile sounding, then that would be an audible difference.  :scratch:
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: rustydoglim on 20 Sep 2017, 06:59 pm
Give and take a little bit of this and that, so my point is no improvement from one over the other.
I don't meant they sounded identical.  I should state that there is no audible improvement.
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: pawsman on 28 Sep 2017, 01:25 pm
rustydog,
You've mentioned the IDA-32 in passing, any specs on it yet?

pawsman
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: muellec3 on 28 Sep 2017, 03:21 pm
Dear Jason
As a passionate user of the IDA-16 I would also be most interested in any info on the upcoming IDA-32 which you can share upfront. I hope it has network functionalities such as streaming service access etc. and a bit more muscles?
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 28 Sep 2017, 06:12 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: rustydoglim on 30 Sep 2017, 10:52 pm
IDA-32 is a different integrated (about $4000 MSRP) planned for Q1 2018, it is not designed to replace IDA-16. 
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: muellec3 on 1 Oct 2017, 08:46 pm
Dear Jason
Thank you for this info. I am looking forward to hearing more news about this new amp.
Considering the qualities which my IDA-16 is offering this new product is certainly going to be worth considering.
Cheers - Chris
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 29 Nov 2017, 07:29 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: CharlesKu on 30 Nov 2017, 04:22 pm
If you find the 9038 too sterile sounding, then that would be an audible difference.  :scratch:
Sterile means devoid of anything extra, free of unwanted life. Sounds perfect, doesn’t it? Distortion is extra–and we want less. Jitter is extra–and lower is better. Noise is extra–and none is best. And it’s good when bandages, scalpels, and mouthwash are stripped of extras. But when it comes to music, sterile should be avoided like the plague?We want our music infected with as much life as possible?

Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Wind Chaser on 30 Nov 2017, 05:35 pm
Sterile means...

Very clean, disinfected, free from contamination, unpolluted, unadulterated, not tainted, refined etc  :thumb:
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 30 Nov 2017, 06:21 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: pewe on 7 Dec 2017, 05:33 pm
Is it true that you can't see what volume you're playing at unless you are actively using the volumeadjuster? I guess this also is the same on DAC10 ond DAC9. I dont really like this, seeing what volume you are using is extremely helpfull.
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Wind Chaser on 7 Dec 2017, 05:44 pm
Is it true that you can't see what volume you're playing at unless you are actively using the volumeadjuster? I guess this also is the same on DAC10 ond DAC9. I dont really like this, seeing what volume you are using is extremely helpfull.

Extremely helpful? How so?  :scratch:
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: pewe on 9 Dec 2017, 02:02 pm
Bad choice of words.  I mean its a good feature to see what your volume is. Don't have to explain this really. ...
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 9 Dec 2017, 05:07 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Tom Davis on 13 Dec 2017, 04:46 pm
I agree it rocks, and, as I've commented on in a different thread, it rocks even more sweetly with the TDSS mod.

And given how good the IDA-16 is, I'm really looking forward to more details about the upcoming IDA-32.

Tom
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 14 Dec 2017, 01:43 am
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Tom Davis on 15 Dec 2017, 09:04 pm
Refinement through upgrades shifts into lots (and lots) of money, Scott, once you reach the kind of threshold that, on my view, the IDA-16 presents. The TDSS upgrade was worth it, but I had already sunk $$$ into resonance control (buying up Infinite Elemente after they went out of business along with older Stillpoints stuff, current Stillpoints are, no doubt, better but here we have the "lots and lots" of $$$$). If you haven't yet "done" systematic resonance control ("whole system" honestly makes a difference), it's worth it. But, then, yes, NuPrime has proven that it knows how to deliver what I take to be the best value available.

So, yes, I, like you, Scott, am very interested to see the approach NuPrime will take with the twice-as-expensive IDA-32. At my age I could be looking at my last integrated upgrade (he said....).

Tom
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: maty on 12 Jan 2019, 08:29 am
Review and measures

[Polish] https://audio.com.pl/testy/stereo/wzmacniacze-stereo/3024-nuprime-ida-16

to English: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Faudio.com.pl%2Ftesty%2Fstereo%2Fwzmacniacze-stereo%2F3024-nuprime-ida-16

I do not like:

Peak like old class D technology

(https://audio.com.pl/images/5/7/2/53572-wzmacniacz_nuprime_ida16_audiocompl_lab1.jpg)

H3 predominance

(https://audio.com.pl/images/5/7/3/53573-wzmacniacz_nuprime_ida16_audiocompl_lab2.jpg)


It is good, I like it at 8 Ohms (red).

(https://audio.com.pl/images/5/7/4/53574-wzmacniacz_nuprime_ida16_audiocompl_lab3.jpg)


Low SNR

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NUPRIME IDA-16

    Rated power (1% THD + N, 1 kHz) [W] 8 Ω, 2x 167
    Rated power (1% THD + N, 1 kHz) [W] 4 Ω, 2x 306
    Sensitivity (for maximum power) [V] 1x 0.89
    Signal / noise ratio (A-weighted filter, with reference to 1W) [dB] 83
    Dynamics [dB] 104
    Damping factor (with reference to 4 Ω) 185


https://nuprimeaudio.com/product/ida-16/?v=04c19fa1e772

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A World-First in Digital Integrated Amplifier Design for the Ultimate in High-Resolution Sound

EUR 2,295.00
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: Samac on 12 Jan 2019, 01:43 pm
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Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: gordon on 11 Nov 2020, 06:01 pm
Two IDA-16 questions, are there periodic upgrades to the design or components to tweak and evolve its performance? Also, same DAC as the IDA-8?
Thanks!
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: John Casler on 11 Nov 2020, 06:55 pm
Two IDA-16 questions, are there periodic upgrades to the design or components to tweak and evolve its performance? Also, same DAC as the IDA-8?
Thanks!

Hi Gordon,  I just received the news that we have "discontinued IDA-16."

Regarding upgrading performance and features I am also told we can look forward to "The high end IDA-32 ($2500) and IDA-32SE ($4000) are scheduled for early 2021".

And no the dac chipset for the IDA-16 is the from ESS, and if I remember correctly the IDA-8 is AKM?
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: gordon on 12 Nov 2020, 04:14 am
Good info, thanks John. Will watch for the launch of the 32’s.
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: rustydoglim on 13 Nov 2020, 04:50 am
A new $1295 feature packed streaming amp (150Wx2 at 8ohm) that supports streaming services, USB/optical/coaxial/analog input, is coming out in December.  high res streaming 24/192K, USB DSD 256, USB PCM 24/384, etc.
Product info will be publish in the next week or two.
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: mresseguie on 16 Nov 2020, 05:16 pm
Hi Gordon,  I just received the news that we have "discontinued IDA-16."

Regarding upgrading performance and features I am also told we can look forward to "The high end IDA-32 ($2500) and IDA-32SE ($4000) are scheduled for early 2021".

And no the dac chipset for the IDA-16 is the from ESS, and if I remember correctly the IDA-8 is AKM?

A new $1295 feature packed streaming amp (150Wx2 at 8ohm) that supports streaming services, USB/optical/coaxial/analog input, is coming out in December.  high res streaming 24/192K, USB DSD 256, USB PCM 24/384, etc.
Product info will be publish in the next week or two.

I'm very keen to know how the above models are voiced. Is the WA-300 (or whatever it will be designated as) to be voiced more like the IDA-8, IDA-16, or other?
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: rustydoglim on 17 Nov 2020, 10:02 pm
It is sort of in-between. Kind of like IDA-8 for live music.
The official name is NuPrime Omnia A300. Feature wise, it is like IDA-8 with 24/192kHz WiFi streaming and BT5.0/aptX HD.
More power at 150Wx2@8Ohm, even more power at 4 ohm. Support all the popular streaming services. Also in the process of certifying for Apple Airplay 2, Alexa, MQA.
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: SlushPuppy on 3 Jan 2021, 10:10 pm
Hi Gordon,  I just received the news that we have "discontinued IDA-16."

Regarding upgrading performance and features I am also told we can look forward to "The high end IDA-32 ($2500) and IDA-32SE ($4000) are scheduled for early 2021".

And no the dac chipset for the IDA-16 is the from ESS, and if I remember correctly the IDA-8 is AKM?

I just found out that my wife and I are [very likely] moving to Bangalore, India in a few months and I am highly interested in the upcoming IDA-32 and IDA-32SE. Is there an expected release date for either of these products? Will they be released simultaneously or IDA-32 first and IDA-32SE second? If this is an improvement on the IDA-16 it would likely check all the boxes for our 2-3 year assignment.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks,

Slush
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: rustydoglim on 4 Jan 2021, 10:33 pm
IDA-32* won't be ready until mid year.  The plan is to have a variant of AMG STA (because it is going to be an integrated without the pairing with AMG PRA, we will make some adjustment and will be just as good as AMG STA) inside IDA-32. The retail price should be below $3500 (with streamer inside). 
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: SlushPuppy on 4 Jan 2021, 11:12 pm
IDA-32* won't be ready until mid year.  The plan is to have a variant of AMG STA (because it is going to be an integrated without the pairing with AMG PRA, we will make some adjustment and will be just as good as AMG STA) inside IDA-32. The retail price should be below $3500 (with streamer inside).

Thank you!
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: jw3721 on 7 Sep 2021, 01:19 am
IDA-32* won't be ready until mid year.  The plan is to have a variant of AMG STA (because it is going to be an integrated without the pairing with AMG PRA, we will make some adjustment and will be just as good as AMG STA) inside IDA-32. The retail price should be below $3500 (with streamer inside).


ida-32 Coming Soon?
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: rustydoglim on 12 Sep 2021, 10:15 pm
It has been pushed out to Q1 2022. The chip industry problem has made designing and producing a complex high-end product costly and challenging.
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: jw3721 on 2 Mar 2022, 03:04 am
It has been pushed out to Q1 2022. The chip industry problem has made designing and producing a complex high-end product costly and challenging.

HI~ Is there any news about this IDA-32? with streamer inside?
Thanks!
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: rustydoglim on 3 Mar 2022, 03:51 pm
This project has been put on hold due to the supply chain and chips problem that drove the cost too high. 
Is there a demand for a $4000 IDA-16X or IDA-32 ?
Title: Re: NuPrime IDA-16
Post by: mresseguie on 4 Mar 2022, 07:36 am
Jason,

Until about a month ago, I would have answered that I’ve been hoping for an IDA-32. However, now that my
new Evolution STA is nicely burned in (and sounds wonderful), I now know that I don’t need an IDA-32. This new amp is tremendously enjoyable. I may end up buying an Evolution DAC to pair with it. Give your engineer a raise.  :thumb:

Michael