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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Cheap and Cheerful HiFi => Topic started by: Doublej on 30 Mar 2018, 12:43 am

Title: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: Doublej on 30 Mar 2018, 12:43 am
Looks like Andrew Jones has updated the B5 and B6.

https://www.elac.com/product/b5-2/?r=us

https://www.elac.com/product/b6-2/?r=us

Will they be cheerier than the originals?



Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: Letitroll98 on 30 Mar 2018, 01:20 pm
A slight price increase.  I wonder where the improvements are.  On the B 6.2 the crossover is lowered to 2200Hz vs 3000Hz on the older model, sensitivity and reactance are the same.  Drivers and cabinets seem unchanged.
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: LesterSleepsIn on 30 Mar 2018, 02:17 pm
A slight price increase.  I wonder where the improvements are.  On the B 6.2 the crossover is lowered to 2200Hz vs 3000Hz on the older model, sensitivity and reactance are the same.  Drivers and cabinets seem unchanged.

The cabinet is now taller, narrower and front ported. The new version has more clarity and a bigger soundstage but with less bass, though the base is now tighter and more defined.

“The B6.2 has a cheerfully retro appearance that recalls older British designs from Bowers and Wilkins or Wharfedale. When placed alongside the original Debut B6 it looks like a completely different speaker -- where the B6 was short and squat, the update is taller and slimmer with the noticeable addition of a front bass port.”

https://www.cnet.com/products/elac-debut-2-0-b6-2/review/

Cheers,
Lester
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: Letitroll98 on 31 Mar 2018, 12:02 pm
Thanks Lester, very informative.  Interesting about the reduced apparent bass, the spec'd frequency response is the same between both models, but we know specs aren't everything.
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: wushuliu on 5 Apr 2018, 07:18 am
Thanks Lester, very informative.  Interesting about the reduced apparent bass, the spec'd frequency response is the same between both models, but we know specs aren't everything.

The lower crossover is large enough to have a large impact on presentation. With the tweeter taking on more of the midrange, dispersion will be different and the mids potentially clearer since the woofer isn't working so hard. The previous model was perceived to have some treble rolloff so it sounds like that's also been adjusted per the CNET review. Also the improved enclosure build quality with improved resonance should make a difference too.

What's interesting is that the 'complex crossover' angle isn't mentioned in the marketing of the new model. Wonder why. My guess overall is Elac decided they would rather cut costs on aesthetics so they could improve sq in order to meet similar price point.
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: wushuliu on 17 Apr 2018, 03:56 pm
Anyone get one of these yet? I know they're shipping on Amazon.
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: pinkfloyd4ever on 18 Apr 2018, 08:47 pm
The only reasons I didn't try the originals were
•   the rear port (I’d need to place them close to a wall) and
•   the combination of huge bass (for a bookshelf anyway) with rolled-off treble (I’m the opposite of a basshead because even moderate levels of bass tend to give me a headache)

So I'm pretty interested in anyone's impressions of these as well since my 2 qualms with the original design have been addressed.
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: pinkfloyd4ever on 10 Aug 2018, 04:57 pm
Anyone heard a pair of these yet?
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: apstoltz on 10 Aug 2018, 07:38 pm
I have demoed the b5.2 and thought they were quite good for the price. They image very well and have a nice balanced sound. i have never heard the original series so I cannot do a direct comparison.
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: Bwanagreg on 10 Aug 2018, 08:02 pm
I heard the B6.2's at Axpona this year. Smooth sound and nice imaging. They cost much less than almost everything else on display at the show, and sounded good.
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: pinkfloyd4ever on 19 Aug 2018, 12:24 pm
On sale now for $249.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B4Q5587/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_69vEBbE7G5B62

If anyone picks up a pair, let us know your thoughts in your C&C system after they break in.
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: srb on 19 Aug 2018, 03:06 pm
On sale now for $249.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B4Q5587/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_69vEBbE7G5B62 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B4Q5587/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_69vEBbE7G5B62)

If you have a preferred vendor other than Amazon, they are also available for $249 shipped from B&H Photo, Crutchfield & Music Direct.

They may also be in stock in some Best Buy Magnolia stores at the sale price plus local sales tax.  B&H only charges sales tax in NY and NJ.
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 22 Aug 2018, 03:10 am
I am going to buy a pair of the B6.2's for my daughter to replace her infinity Primus 160's.  It will be a christmas present but of course I will have to check them out and make sure they work, LOL.  So I will post a review of them.
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: rollo on 30 Aug 2018, 07:33 pm
The best $249 speaker you will ever hear period. Gentleman start your engines !

charles
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: pinkfloyd4ever on 28 Sep 2018, 11:23 am
$229 on Amazon now!

Might be matched by other retailers as well

Remember, if you don't want to wait, or just want to support a brick-and-mortar over Amazon, Best Buy will price match. Buy online with in-store pickup FTW!
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: twitch54 on 28 Sep 2018, 03:16 pm
$229 on Amazon now!

Might be matched by other retailers as well

now that's a deal !!
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: 2bigears on 28 Sep 2018, 03:56 pm
 :D dam that's cheap.  450 here in the great white north Canada.   Dam  :D
     I bought the smaller elac set and sent them back to Jeff....... :D
    Need a small set of speakers
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: rollo on 28 Sep 2018, 04:12 pm
I am going to buy a pair of the B6.2's for my daughter to replace her infinity Primus 160's.  It will be a christmas present but of course I will have to check them out and make sure they work, LOL.  So I will post a review of them.


  Just replaced Son's Advents with them . No turning back.

charles
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: pinkfloyd4ever on 18 Nov 2018, 03:18 pm
On sale for $150! If you've been waiting for these to go on sale, take advantage of Best Buy's price match and get a pair today!
ELAC Debut 2.0 B6.2 Bookshelf Speakers, Black (Pair) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B4Q5587/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_bey8BbWTV9C3K
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 18 Nov 2018, 07:26 pm
I just bought a pair for my daughters birthday.  At $150pr  that is a no brainer.
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: Jack667 on 18 Nov 2018, 09:04 pm
Heard some elac’s recently - very impressive for the money!
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: envydd on 19 Nov 2018, 04:24 am
Are these better than the KEF Q100s (which were more than 150 even on clearance!)
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: Jon L on 19 Nov 2018, 04:59 am
The smaller 5.2 are at $250/pair.  Another pair of speakers is the last thing I need but could not resist the $150/pair price and ordered a pair  :duh:
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 19 Nov 2018, 03:30 pm
I saw a few reviews on youtube and they loved the speaker but what I took from them is that the speakers sound ok with cheap electronics but sound great with midfi to hifi gear and that they need some power.  They don't sound great at low volumes either.
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: yardbird on 22 Nov 2018, 02:50 am
$150 per pair right now from a bunch of shops- Crutchfield, Music Direct....
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: monte on 22 Nov 2018, 01:27 pm
How would they work out as a surround speaker?
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: Jon L on 25 Nov 2018, 07:47 pm
Breaking in the Elac Debut B6.2 in the temporary postion on top of Martin Logan Motion 40's in my home theater. 
So far, the build quality and driver quality exceed my expectations, and there is no unexpected sound issues given the box and driver size, etc. 


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187254)
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: Ericus Rex on 25 Nov 2018, 08:28 pm
Do these walk all over the little Pioneers that Jones designed a few years back?
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: 2bigears on 25 Nov 2018, 11:08 pm
 :D I bought the older smaller elacs,,,, sent them back. Gotta love Amazon free returns.  :D
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: cujobob on 2 Dec 2018, 04:49 am
Was really tempted by these at their sale price, but decided to grab Infinity R162 from the Harman site for $180. I have to say I’m super impressed with them. Very curious how they’d compare.
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: auskip07 on 4 Jan 2019, 01:19 am
I bought a pair B6.2  for christmas  hoping the Vista Spark can power them adequately at 20w/channel. 
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: ClefChef on 4 Jan 2019, 11:32 am
https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/kefq150blk/kef-q150-5.25-2-way-bookshelf-speaker-black-pair/1.html
Title: Re: Elac Debut 2.0's hitting the street
Post by: celo on 16 Feb 2019, 03:55 am
Do these walk all over the little Pioneers that Jones designed a few years back?

I have heard the Elac UB5. Pioneer is better IMO.