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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => The Starting Block / Introductions => Topic started by: AintJoM0mma on 13 Oct 2004, 10:01 pm
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Hi, I will be buying some speakers shortly. I will have them paired with an Odyssey dual mono amp (plenty of power), Tempest (Odyssey) preamp, Ridge Street Audio interconnects and speaker cable, and an Audio Aero Prima cd player. I can go Sub + Monitor, 3-way tower, or 2-way with sub, dosent matter to me. I have a small room (12' x 12') and my budget is $2500. I went to listen to some B&W's at the dealer and like what I heard from the Naut. 804's. Wide soundstage, clear, detailed, musical. Im looking for speakers like that. I usually listen to rock (old and new) so I want speakers that can handel that and sound very emotionally involving while doing it. I just want very real sounding speakers. My choices so far are:
Speakers:
-Dynaudio Contour 2.8\Contour 1.8mkII\Audience 82
-Avalon Avatar
-Focus Legacy\FS 688
-Totem Forest\Hawk\Staff
-Vandersteen 3A Signautre
-Aerial Acoustics
-Soliloquy 6.3
-Merlin VSM-M
-Theil CS 2.4
-Gershman Avant Garde RX-20
-Anthony Gallo Refrence III
-ATC SCM20SL\SCM35
-Silverline Sonata II
-Von Schweikert VR4-JR
-Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7U\Taylo Refrence II
-B&W Nautalis 804****Not planning to buy, just using for refrence
-JM Reynaud Offrande
-PMC OB-1
What should I take off\add to the list? I need to narrow it down a lot before I go audition some.
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You have so many choices that sound so different, not really sure how to even respond.
Most of the speakers you listed won't sound like the B&W's (which to my ears don't sound the way you described).
I think you need to just go out and hear some more speakers (I would try and listen to different types) and get a better feel of what you like/dislike.
At that point, this group will be better able to offer some thoughts.
George
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I have the same musical tastes as you with a larger room. Given your amp and preamp, I think the odyssey lorelei speakers would be a great match for your system. Captain Humble is selling his:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=13736
I've heard the odyssey epiphony speakers and they were ridiculously good. they were great with rock music. I can only imagine how good the loreleis must be. hope this helps. good luck.
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Any reason the Odyssey Lorelei aren't on your list - seems like an obvious starting point given your other equipment.
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Having just heard the Lorelei's at RMAF, they are very good speakers indeed.
I still think he needs to figure out his likes/dislikes better before getting serious.
George
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I just thought some of the other speakers would be another step up. What I have an odyssey amp so I have to get their speakers? Dont think so 8)
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If its any help, I listened to paradigm and hated them, thin and lifeless.
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What I have an odyssey amp so I have to get their speakers? Dont think so 8)
I can't and won't speak for those making the posts above, but I think their intent was to say if you like the sound of your amps, you'll probably like the sound of Klaus' speakers. I don't believe anyone was trying to tell you that you have to get anything.
FWIW, I also heard the Lorelei at RMAF and was suitably impressed. Gear you buy from Klaus (amps, pre-amps, cables, speakers, etc) is also said to have a special synergy by those who own it. YMMV, of course, but I think you're reading too much - or perhaps too little - into the comments above.
DU
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dont forget the odyssey speakers are clones of a 7000 $ speaker-just has the cabinets made in canada :mrgreen:
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Dude, first off- your list is way too big. You need to narrow your choices down. What is the primary thing you want? If you want musicality, and listen mainly to rock- NAIM electronics-
Loudseakers-NEAT/REGA/Living Voice
My 2 cents.
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Hmmmm, my primary thing I want. I cant do that, each thing is equally importany. The most important things are Musicallity, Dynamics(for rock), and airyness. Airyness includes seperation and realism, timbre, accuracy, and depth.
Edit: I also want a detialed speaker, but not so detailed that it takes away from the music.
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Can you get Von Schweikert VR4-JRs for $2,500?
FYI - I have Odyssey amp/preamp. Wish I could afford Loreleis... :roll:
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Yeah I could. I hear some negative things about them though. Why there are so many for sale...
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-Focus Legacy\FS 688 ...
FYI - the Legacy Focus is a different speaker from the Focus Audio FS688.
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one of the guys has a pair of rm40(vmps) in your range
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Yeah I could. I hear some negative things about them though. Why there are so many for sale...
do you mean you've heard them yourself and have some negative opinions or you've read some negative things about them?
either way, i'm curious about the negative things have you heard or read?
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Yeah I could. I hear some negative things about them though. Why there are so many for sale...
There are 4 on Audiogon, but the cheapest is $2750.
There are probably this many b/c many people do what you are doing and buy without hearing and figuring out what they really want.
George
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Most everyone hear agrees your list is too long.....
I would go listen to each of those speakers and start doing some sort of elimination. Once you have it down to three, then really go back and do some critical listening. System synergy is very important-it is not just a matter of taking the "best" speaker and throwing it into the mix. :nono: Not everything speaker works with every system.
I have heard the Lorelei's and they are very good. I don't own them but I do own an Odyssey amp/pre. They work extremely well with your gear so you never would have to worry in the least bit about system synergy. They are very musical and offer an "airy" presence that you are looking for. Klaus made sure of this fact.
You can use reviews and opinions as a base in shopping for speakers but it is not the final judgement. Only your own ears can tell you this, so learn to trust them-after all, you will be the one living with your system for the long haul.
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The VMPS RM40 is INSANLEY HUGE did you look at my room dimensions!?!? Anyway, about the VR4 JR's. I heard they start out open and musical and with time become compressed and analitical, that is why there are so many for sale.
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And a lot of speakers can mate good with a neutral solid state amp.
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...System synergy is very important-it is not just a matter of taking the "best" speaker and throwing it into the mix. :nono: Not everything speaker works with every system...
audioslave's comments are so right on the mark here...
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Well can someone just tell me a speaker that will NOT work with my situation? Prehaps an analitical speakers, or one that only sounds good with tubes, or one that can rock to good, or one that only works good in a large room???? IS THERE ANY ON THAT LIST? :o :o
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The VMPS RM40 is INSANLEY HUGE did you look at my room dimensions!?!? Anyway, about the VR4 JR's. I heard they start out open and musical and with time become compressed and analitical, that is why there are so many for sale.
the 4jrs are most likely too big for your room as well.
that's strange...i don't own 4jrs myself, but i found them to be the exact opposite of what you're describing... :?
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square rooms are always tuff to get good sound in...small square rooms are even tuffer!
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the 4jrs are most likely too big for your room as well.
that's strange...i don't own 4jrs myself, but i found them to be the exact opposite of what you're describing... :?
Ditto, Mad Dog. I spent a couple of hours listening to them at one of our Rave's and they were great!
AJMomma-have you even heard the Lorelei's?...just curious.
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no I havent heard them. Hmm, well then................any speakers that wont work for my tastes? Someone said Vandersteen, they are not musical and cant rock very well, better for classical and acoustic..What do you think?
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Beeing in your place I would choose from:
PE LEON Enzo Référence
CABASSE Egea 500
PE LEON Enzo S2
JM REYNAUD Evolution 3
JM LAB Electra 907 Be
DAVIS Cesar
ATHOM Joran
BC ACOUSTIQUE Huron
AVANT SCENE Elektra
TRIANGLE Lyrr
MAGNAT Omega 530
B & W 704
ATHOM Dzhari
APERTURA Nova
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Ok, this thread is looking like a waste of time.
AintJoMomma is commenting on speakers he has never heard, has a list a mile long, and is just spewing quotes from what other people have said.
I'm bailing.
George
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Don't forget this is just a little kid we are talking about here. Virtually every thread he has ever started has ended up this way. :roll:
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Karnaaj,
thx for the reminder. :)
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Don't forget this is just a little kid we are talking about here. Virtually every thread he has ever started has ended up this way. :roll:
kid huh, listen "kid"-Do us all a favor and go get yourself a $400 IPOD-it will match well with the backpack mommy got ya last xmas :lol: I hear that the headphones are quite musical and "airy"..... :wave:
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Wow thanks for the help guys. The audiogon forum actually gave me suggestions. BTW, already got an ipod and some headphones :roll: . Bye guys, I know not to come here again. Cause im a "kid" and I should stop wasting all the grown ups time , give me a break. Whatever, bye
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Don't forget this is just a little kid we are talking about here. Virtually every thread he has ever started has ended up this way. :roll:
Glad someone knows whats going on..... :lol: :lol: :lol: Its always good to click on past posts.... :P [/list:u]AJM....always has a nice long list of equipement. :roll: [/list:u]
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Wow thanks for the help guys. The audiogon forum actually gave me suggestions. BTW, already got an ipod and some headphones :roll: . Bye guys, I know not to come here again. Cause im a "kid" and I should stop wasting all the grown ups time , give me a break. Whatever, bye
Hey, its all in good fun....but seriously, just learn to trust in your own ears. Everyones ears are different, so you cannot really rely on any one persons opinion. If you are going to be dedicated to this hobby, then I urge you to buy "The Complete Guide to High-End Audio" by Robert Harley. You can pick it up at Amazon.com. Before you rush out and buy stuff, educate yourself. I recently read it and wish I had picked it up much sooner. I learned a lot as it is a highly informative read. Good luck. :mrgreen:
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Wow thanks for the help guys. The audiogon forum actually gave me suggestions. BTW, already got an ipod and some headphones :roll: . Bye guys, I know not to come here again. Cause im a "kid" and I should stop wasting all the grown ups time , give me a break. Whatever, bye
Ok, I will say one last thing...
You were given a lot of good advice by many different people. The fact that you can't understand that only highlights what a few people were saying.
It isn't about lists of gear (you can get that from Stereophile), it much more than that. It is about learning your likes/dislikes and proper system matching.
Best of luck.
George
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I don't think it was anyones intention that you should leave this forum. Its just when you provide these HUGE lists of different components for us to sort thru it tends to make people think that you don't want to do any of the preliminary work yourself. Its understandable that some people are reluctant to make recommendations because they don't want to be blamed if things don't work out right. Another thing that I have noticed is that you tend to be pretty argumentative when people are trying to help you out. My two cents worth :)
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I dont expect anyone to have heard all the speakers on that list. Ive expected them to hear maybe 2. And post something like:
I think [Insert Speaker Name Here] is better than [Insert Speaker Name Here] because [Insert Reasons Here]
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I don't think it was anyones intention that you should leave this forum. Its just when you provide these HUGE lists of different components for us to sort thru it tends to make people think that you don't want to do any of the preliminary work yourself. Its understandable that some people are reluctant to make recommendations because they don't want to be blamed if things don't work out right. Another thing that I have noticed is that you tend to be pretty argumentative when people are trying to help you out. My two cents worth :)
Your two cents are worth about a million in this particular thread :rock:
Well said Karnaaj.
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Don't forget this is just a little kid we are talking about here. Virtually every thread he has ever started has ended up this way. :roll:
Glad someone knows whats going on..... :lol: :lol: :lol: Its always good to click on past posts.... :P [/list:u]AJM....always has a nice long list of equipement. :roll: [/list:u]
I went thru this before.... http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=11827&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=drive&start=0
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OK AJM....This is the speaker you need....... http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrmoni&1102360636
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Don't buy ANY of those speakers aintjomomma! What happens is that you keep spending more and more money on audio gear and next thing you know your idea of a good time becomes reading text written by someone else describing sound which only they can hear. Then it gets worse, then you start writing your own text about sound which nobody else can hear. If you're lucky you'll get a bunch of other people over and all hear the same thing. This is good. But then you'll all go off and write more text describing what everyone else who wasn't there didn't have a chance to hear. Heck, years later you might even start a magazine with lots of text about sound that nobody else but the writer can hear. Now I ask you, does this make any damn sense at all?
I recommend stamp collecting.
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OK, little boy- you want to rock and have supreme involvement, yet you want tons of "airyness." PRAT is the first part of this equation, which means you need an excellent leading edge, the notes body to develop, and good decay characteristics in the speaker. A very "airy" speaker normally doesn't have the hardest hitting leading edge, so that could be a conundrum for you.
That said, if you want advice: here it is:
Sell your Odyssey, buy a Naim Nait 5, Naim CD 5, Flatcap 2, and a pair of Neat Mystiques. Then you can go ROCK out! Nothing else on your list will touch the Neats for PRAT- I've heard most, but not all of your choices. You think you want "air," but if you are listening to Tool, Korn, Blink 182, Interpol, etc.- you don't need no F****** air!
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Who...
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Because you need to ditch the Odyssey, which while very good gear and an unbelievable value is not exactly state of the art for rock. You want to rock, I just gave you the cheap man's blue print. Anyone listening to Led Zeppelin or the Who trying to find "air" is misguided. Dude, just let the volume rip and the Naim/Neat will grab this music by the balls and move it forward so propulsively it will feel like you just got off a rollercoaster.
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Well thats not an option right now, so I need a speaker that can rock, I hear totem and dynaudio can.
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Who...
You, why that speaker?
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Well thats not an option right now, so I need a speaker that can rock, I hear totem and dynaudio can.
Dude, if you had done more research and listened to more amps, you would own Naim gear. Now you need to buy a rocking speaker ? Due diligence my young man.
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Yep, I will buy a Naim CDP. Soon a Naim amp and preamp. But for now im stuck with Odyssey. And a list of speakers....
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You, why that speaker?
First off...its half price. Price new is over $4,000.00. Owner is moving up the line...the SP Tech line.This speaker sounds excellent on many types of music...and if you rock out...this speaker will not fold up. It does like a lot of watts. Its well built, weight is about 65 lbs. ....strong stand needed. Go over to the SP Tech circle, click on their site, and read about it.[/list:u]If you read any of the RMAF threads....many posted about the sound in the SP Tech room. You have to do a little reading....reviews on AC and AA. Check it out. At the Agon price....its a steal 8) !!![/list:u]
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Since Chris is a true rock n roller, I'd listen to what he has to say. Anyone that rocks out to the NY Dolls and the Ramones is A-OK with me!
Michael
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Since Chris is a true rock n roller, I'd listen to what he has to say. Anyone that rocks out to the NY Dolls and the Ramones is A-OK with me!
Michael
Yeah....but I also enjoy....jazz and classical.....well rounded....and neat :lol:
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At the Agon price....its a steal 8) !!!
You got that right. As the proud owner of Timepieces, I can assure you that if you feed it well (good, powerful amps + good ancillary equipment) you will be richly rewarded.
The down side, though, is the "good" part. The speakers are very revealing, and do not afford one the fiscal luxury of skimping anywhere in the system. The "good" is a requirement with SP Tech speakers. That's not to say you need $20k amps or $10k cables, but the improvements I've heard after upgrading components and cables are so apparent.
Pull the trigger. Speakers that good should not be priced that low.
DU
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My list is down to:
-Dynaudio Contour 2.8\3.0
-Totem Forest\Hawk\Staff\Mani 2
-Neat
-Silverline Sonata II
-Anthony Gallo Refrence III
-ATC SCM20SL\SCM35
-Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7U
-Sp Technology
-Living Voice
-Rega R9
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If you haven't dug much through the fourms yet, you might not have noticed, but i posted a similar question a couple of weeks ago with somewhat similar choices. http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=13177&highlight=
I ended up with usher cp-6311s, and i'm quite happy with them. I think they might be too strong in the bass for your room, however. I know you probably don't want to add anything to your list, but you might want to check them out if you have a dealer near-by.
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Thanks for the suggestion, I added them to my list. :)
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:nono: Let it rest! Ain'tjomomma. Figure it out on your own. Let the attention be placed on the music. Not your internet fantasies! Regards Dennis M. Clark
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My list is down to:
-Dynaudio Contour 2.8\3.0
-Totem Forest\Hawk\Staff\Mani 2
-Neat
-Silverline Sonata II
-Anthony Gallo Refrence III
-ATC SCM20SL\SCM35
-Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7U
-Sp Technology
-Living Voice
-Rega R9
How the F is a list "down" to 15 different choices when it started at 4 in another thread!??! :roll:
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Get the SP Tech's before their gone :hyper: .....unless you have over four grand for new ones.$$$$$$$$
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sell me yours. lol.
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sell me yours. lol.
Never happen.....their not going anywhere !! (except to the next rave I can attend) 8)
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Wolf, I noticed you have Mirage speakers, what do you think of those?
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Wolf, I noticed you have Mirage speakers, what do you think of those?
Old favorites from the '80's....still sound good...but too big for my small room. Here's a pair that was listed on Agon... http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1102107576
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Hi,
I'm looking for good floorstanding speakers up to $3000, that's on another thread...
So, I'm enjoying this one too.
I wanted to ask Double Ugly who makes "Time Pieces" and are they a floorstanding speaker?
As to having a long list of possibilities, I think that's OK. In my situation, I'm not near really major cities and can't audition everything, but as I surf the internet and read the audiophile magazines various brands come across my radar and I get curious.
I think it's good to have a long list of contenders because you don't want to leave any possibility out. And the search is at least 50 percent of the fun. If you're addicted to audio, once you have your new speakers a week then you find something about their performance to be discontented about and want to go searching again, but it takes money to do it. That's where the problem arises.
Jerry
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Hi,
I'm looking for good floorstanding speakers up to $3000, that's on another thread...
So, I'm enjoying this one too.
I wanted to ask Double Ugly who makes "Time Pieces" and are they a floorstanding speaker?
As to having a long list of possibilities, I think that's OK. In my situation, I'm not near really major cities and can't audition everything, but as I surf the internet and read the audiophile magazines various brands come across my radar and I get curious.
I think it's good to have a ...
SP Technology
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MCrespo wrote:
Because you need to ditch the Odyssey, which while very good gear and an unbelievable value is not exactly state of the art for rock. You want to rock, I just gave you the cheap man's blue print. Anyone listening to Led Zeppelin or the Who trying to find "air" is misguided. Dude, just let the volume rip and the Naim/Neat will grab this music by the balls and move it forward so propulsively it will feel like you just got off a rollercoaster.
Say what ??????????? You say that why ??
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AJM,
The internet is a wonderful source for information, but useless until your musical taste have fully developed and you've developed a trained ear. I'm not knocking youth, but as a consumer a typical pre 25 year old is still a moving target in many ways. An educated/intelligent ear takes years of intense listening to equipment and live music to develop. Information (knowledge) without wisdom (intelligence) is dangerous.
You started the thread with audiophile types of wants and now you're only talking about rock music. In many ways this is an oil and water situation. Rock music has no gold standard, as it's always played through amps and speakers. So nobody knows what it's supposed to "really" sound like. Live concert rock, from an audiophile perspective is horrible. For instance you mentioned wanting good dynamic response for rock. Rock is perhaps the least dynamic form of music, typically being played at a rather constant, but loud level. Classical music OTOH can be extremely dynamic as movements can go from a single flute to 100 pieces plus a huge choir.
Acoustical instruments and the live human voice are the best standards to calibrate your ear. Small venues are the best, so you can hear each instrument/voice.
The equipment you have now is very good stuff. Keep it for sure. In a small/square room I'd think hard about a pair of good standmounts and adding a sub so you can dial in the proper amount of bass and move it around for best effect, separate from the main speakers. Klaus sells very good standmounts for $600/pair. If you're a satisfied customer, why not buy from him again? Finding a decent sub for rock music shouldn't take much time or money. You could do well for $1500 complete with stands.
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I've stayed away from this thread, for obvious reasons, but it's sucking me in ...
JLM makes excellent points. Rock typically exhibits a dynamic range of less than 10dB, while classical can have 20-30 dB peaks. - MUCH more demanding of good speaker 'dynamics'.
AJM, whether or not you are really young (as many here have assumed - I'm not so sure, nor do I care) certainly your tastes are evolving, as many of ours are. To that end, exposure to a variety of flavors and styles will aid and assist you in refining and DEfining your personal taste and preferences. Actual listening is actually required for this. (duh!)
If you have the financial headroom, let me suggest carefully buying pre-owned, and buy 2 or even 3 pairs, listen/compare, then sell off one or two. perhaps bring in another, and continue until you are happy with what you have for a while. if you are careful/smart about purchasing/selling, it is only a cash flow issue and your net out-of-pocket can be very low (perhaps a wash). You'll refine your tastes (perhaps even expand them), and you won't have to agonize over picking the 'perfect' pair out of the gate deaf.
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I wanted to ask Double Ugly who makes "Time Pieces" and are they a floorstanding speaker?
heavystarch is right...they're made by SP Technology (http://www.4sptech.com/new/timepiece_2.0.php).
And no, they aren't floorstanders. The photo below will give you an idea of their size, but not their quality.
I'm also in the southern US (MS). You're welcome to contact me offline if you're close enough to stop by for a visit.
DU
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=3931)
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OK, little boy- you want to rock and have supreme involvement, yet you want tons of "airyness." PRAT is the first part of this equation, which means you need an excellent leading edge, the notes body to develop, and good decay characteristics in the speaker. A very "airy" speaker normally doesn't have the hardest hitting leading edge, so that could be a conundrum for you.
That said, if you want advice: here it is:
Sell your Odyssey, buy a Naim Nait 5, Naim CD 5, Flatcap 2, and a pair of Neat Mystique ...
Gentleman, thanks for all of the fabulous advice, now he wants to return the Stratos Dual Mono because it is not for him...
One word of advice: Beware.
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Gentleman, thanks for all of the fabulous advice, now he wants to return the Stratos Dual Mono because it is not for him...
One word of advice: Beware.
Last month the forum was asked for advice on interconnects (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=13213&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0) for BAT gear. System listed as
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Definitive Technology BP7004 speakers
BAT VK-200 2 Channel amplifier
BAT VK-20 Preamp
IXOS Gamma Speaker Wire
Toshiba 3960 CD Player
Looking for interconnects, plan to upgrade speaker cable, and maybe add a sub
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Ok, someone call CDC(center for disease control)-this thing is way out of control! :shake: AJM-you are like the proverbial leaf in the wind-swaying from one side to another with every blowing gust. I assume that your Dual Mono is still at Klaus's, right? So you have not even heard it yet!
Hold up and take a minute to think about what you are doing. You bought something, which I assume you have not even heard. So wait till the Stratos comes back from Odyssey and take the time to really listen, listen, listen. It is an excellent amp and give it a chance. See how it works with your speakers. Although you are unsure that the synergy between your amp/speakers is going to be positive, take the time to find out. If it does, you will not even need to replace your speakers. If you feel that the sound is not for you, then try to find a pair of speakers that will work well with the Odyssey. If you truly feel compelled to sell this Dual Mono, then do what everyone here on AC or the 'Gon does.....sell and buy whatever your "flavor of the month" is at that particular pt in time.. I do not even think that it is right to return this amp to the seller. You bought it, you live with it and all the consequences. The seller(lylefan) is not obligated to accomodate you just because you have a change of heart. Welcome to the real world, little buddy! :wink:
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Gentleman, thanks for all of the fabulous advice, now he wants to return the Stratos Dual Mono because it is not for him...
One word of advice: Beware.
Last month the forum was asked for advice on interconnects (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=13213&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0) for BAT gear. System listed as
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Definitive Technology BP7004 speakers
BAT VK-200 2 Channel amplifier
BAT VK-20 Preamp
IXOS Gamma Speaker Wire
Toshiba 3960 C ...
Yep I was going to buy some BAT gear, but the sellers deal on another amp fell through, and I never got the amp. So I decided to move on. Yes I have heard the Odyssey amp, I used my current Jolida 302b as a preamp (sold). And yeah I own Definitive Tech speakers and dont like them, which is why after hearing the B&W Nautilis 804 in a dealer I knew I had to upgrade.
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And yeah hes not obligated to accomidate me because I had a change of heart, the amp came in broken, there was a very loud humming\buzzing coming out of the left channel on my speakers. When I switched the wires in the back, the humming would move to the right channel. So I know the amp was broke, yes it is at Klauses place right now getting fixed.
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And yeah hes not obligated to accomidate me because I had a change of heart, the amp came in broken, there was a very loud humming\buzzing coming out of the left channel on my speakers. When I switched the wires in the back, the humming would move to the right channel. So I know the amp was broke, yes it is at Klauses place right now getting fixed.
The amp was most likely damaged during shipping courtesy of the asshats at UPS/Fedex, but nevertheless, Klaus will take good care of you. Wait till it comes back and give it a couple of weeks before you decide what you are going to do. Again, if the Definitives do not sound good with the Stratos, try a set of speakers that will. Make sure the Tempest is in place before you do this, though. I used my Stratos with another preamp (that brand not being a good match) and it was not great, but as soon as I got the Tempest in, it sounded much more engaging and now I am very happy with the end result.
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MCrespo wrote:
Because you need to ditch the Odyssey, which while very good gear and an unbelievable value is not exactly state of the art for rock. You want to rock, I just gave you the cheap man's blue print. Anyone listening to Led Zeppelin or the Who trying to find "air" is misguided. Dude, just let the volume rip and the Naim/Neat will grab this music by the balls and move it forward so propulsively it will feel like you just got off a rollercoaster.
Say what ??????????? You say that why ??
Seems like I've stirred a hornets nest here, but it's just MY OPINION and I stand by it. First, I think all components may be judged on a continuum for how they handle different types of music. Obviously, any gear will play any type of music- it's just how well it does it. For example, I didn't recommend anything I own because it is too balanced for someone that listens to rock. I own VTL and CJ tubed electronics and here is how I would personally rate them for rock- maybe 6 out of 10. Jazz/Classical/Vocals- 8 out of 10. I'd say the Odyssey gear I've heard- and I've heard the Stratos/Tempest combination numerous times- I'd give a 7 out of 10 on rock/jazz/classical and maybe 6 out of 10 for vocals. Extremely well balanced- and as I stated very good gear.
Naim-particular the entry level 5 series stuff, IMO, is state of the art at rock- 10 out of 10 IMO. Probably a 5 out of 10 on classical and vocals and 7 out of 10 for jazz- not as balanced, but if you listen only to rock, then it will make you very happy. Everyone wants to believe their gear can do everything perfectly, but I don't that is the case. You maximize your gear to the music you listen to. For example, I have a friend that spent A LOT of $ maximizing his system with expensive tube gear and electrostats, so it could play the vocals and acoustic music at a 10 out of 10. It ain't too good for rock, but he doesn't care- he doesn't listen to it.
As for AintJomama trying to return the Odyssey to Lylefan. I don't believe you need to accept a return for a change of heart. If the gear is damaged, have UPS deal with that and it sounds like it's being taken care of.
Michael
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Most of you gentlemen are now beginning to see the forest for the tree's.
Lets all pretend that someone approaches you about putting together a good audio system. They have a pretty good idea of what type of sound they are looking for, but really don't have any experience or a fine tuned ear to truthfully relate to you *exactly* what they want. This person is not looking for an education and nor do they want to hear that product A is as good as product B. They don't understand audio and potentially never will - all they want is an answer and a solution.
AJM,
No one person (that is not a well experienced audio veteran or long established audio dealer) has experience with the entire list of equipment you present before audio forums. There will be those few who claim to have done so, hopefully you will have the common sense to detect their bullshit.
Your attitude in this thread also sucks. These people are not obligated to participate in this thread and you should respect that. Many people and many forums have given up assisting you partly due to the attitude you give them when people try to assist you. Whether you like the advice is a moot point, it is freely given to you out of good will.
Opinions about equipment will always differ. One man will give individual equipment or combinations praise while another will be directly in contrast. Your approach is wrong. Instead of creating a long list of hi-fi equipment, it would be more prudent to simply state your tastes, previous gear owned, budget, and then go from there. Usually for each response, you get a different suggestion. This is where product knowledge and experience comes into play. For someone as new and inexperienced as yourself, narrowing down a list of gear you have never even laid your eyes on is flat out wrong.
At the rate you are going, you will never find happiness. A week ago you were loving the Def Techs and swearing by their sound. This week you want to ditch them as quickly as possible. You hook up the Odyssey, which needs repairs – for all of a few minutes. You then decide in that short period of time, using the Jolida as a pre, that its not for you. Hard to determine given such a short period of time, especially if you now don’t even like your speakers? So how do you know you like it again ?!?!?
Get your butt out and listen to as much gear as possible, even if its in the same store and the same equipment. My words may be harsh but they also yield truth. Later on I will search for dealers in your area. I know there are quite a few south of you that sport some incredible equipment that falls within your budget. Speaking of which, the way your budget increases could single handedly raise the national economy level. Why don’t you wait until you have between 10 (your half way there already) – 15 grand to spend on a system. At which point, nearly anything you choose will be pretty damned good.
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I wasent trying to be competitive with peoples advice, I just simply want them to back up what they say with some info. So far this place has been VERY helpful and ive narrowed down my list to about 10 speakers which I can try to audition.
On a different note, I dont think I want those SP Techs, I was really looking for a floorstander. Totem and Dynaudio appeal to me the most, Im strongly thinking of getting one of those 2 brands.
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AJM,
I edited my post. Please take the time to re-read.
Dynaudio and Totem are incredibly versitile speakers. You wont find too many people who are dis-satisfied with their products from the likes of those companies. They can serve your desire to rock out now, and still maintain truthful integrity for when/if your tastes change (mature).
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I wasent trying to be competitive with peoples advice, I just simply want them to back up what they say with some info. So far this place has been VERY helpful and ive narrowed down my list to about 10 speakers which I can try to audition.
On a different note, I dont think I want those SP Techs, I was really looking for a floorstander. Totem and Dynaudio appeal to me the most, Im strongly thinking of getting one of those 2 brands.
he meant combative, not competitive...if you want folks to provide backup for what they say, you need to do the same. otherwise you're being hypocritical.
now that you've decided that you're really looking for a floorstander...have you forgotten how small your room is? :?: :?
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For most of us who breathe the same air as everyone else, we all run into a sacrifice of some sort when approaching our main systems. It then becomes a matter of determining what sacrifices you are willing to make in order to harness the strengths you favor.
There are many challenges a floor-standing speaker present in contrast to the smaller monitor design. On the downside, typically a floor standing speaker requires room to breathe and pin point placement in order to utilize and balance out its fuller-range capabilities. Anything less than adequate will often result in awkward frequency humps in the lower registers which could result in muddy or jumbled bass. It may be difficult to pull off a large speaker in your room given its current configuration. On the bonus side, there is no replacement for displacement (borrowed quote here). The large, lush sound a large speaker creates is a strength that will almost always be superior to that if its smaller counterpart.
A monitor speaker by contrast gives you a bit more flexibility with the critical application of room placement. There are quite a few monitors in your price-range that approach full-range standards (ie, bass solid down to the lower 40’s, and mid-upper 30’s). The downside is that they still will not have the sheer thumping force of a tower. Usually monitor speakers are less efficient as well, requiring a bit more juice to sing on the level of their larger cousins. On the bonus side, it is much easier to control the sound of a monitor, and typically the result is a quicker, clearer mid-range. Sub-integration is usually a bit easier while working with monitors.
Either way you look at it, there is a sacrifice which has to be made. Only a fortunate few need not worry.
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AJM- If you are thinking of buying a Totem Floorstander for your small 12X12 room, I'd bet $ the Totem Arro sounds best, given your space constraints. You can then spend your $ elsewhere.
Michael
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Aye Crespo, good suggestion. The Arro truly is a fantastic speaker that would perform remarkably well in his room. It is just durable enough to take abuse while maintaining fidelity enough to appease critical tastes. Combine this speaker with a good sub (either a Totem thunder/lightning, or other from the likes of Rel, MJ Acoustics, etc...) and you have one brilliant sounding, cost effective and very well put together system.
I am not sure how Odyssey gear performs with Totem Acoustics, but I do know NAIM and Musical Fidelity gear match perfectly well.
That is at least one sure-fire set up.
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i would absolutely *NOT* recommend the totem arrow to anyone who wants to ROCK. a coupla years ago, i had a pair of arro's in my rig; i was absolutely enthralled for almost two hours - jazz, acoustical, folk, etc. then i wanted to crank it up, & put on little feat's "waiting for columbus". i had to stop after 3 minutes - it *SUCKED*. *everything* fell apart. now, i know i had a huge room, but the arro's were crossed over to subs at 70hz. and the tiny proac tablette ref 8 signatures (10.5h x 6"w x 9"d, w/4.5" woofer), absolutely *ROCKED* in that same room/system...
ymmv,
doug s.
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i honestly wouldnt spend that much for "rock & roll" speakers.
my friend has cerwin vegas and if "rock" speakers are what you want look no further-
he's a metal head and these are the perfect speakers.
you may be better off saving some cash and get some c-v's
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i honestly wouldnt spend that much for "rock & roll" speakers.
my friend has cerwin vegas and if "rock" speakers are what you want look no further-
he's a metal head and these are the perfect speakers.
you may be better off saving some cash and get some c-v's
*i* would. cuz i listen to all types of musiic, & i want it *all*. :wink: if i *only* listened to rock & roll? well, i'd certainly want dynamics at the top of my list, but i'd also still want relative accuracy in frequency response. which would leave c-v's off the list... mebbe some avantgarde acoustics duo's... :D
doug s.
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Mis post! :oops:
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Yeah I was thinking more along the lines of Totem Forest + Rega\Naim\47 Labs. The Forest is not to big of a speakers, much smaller than my current speakers, and Totem beaks could help me overcome some room problems. Other than that, Id be willing to play with placement a lot to get good sound.
Thanks doug, your right, im looking for some accuracy and musicallity, not just blaring heavy metal.
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Yeah I was thinking more along the lines of Totem Forest + Rega\Naim\47 Labs
WOW! without doing any auditioning you've been able to narrow your choices down to 1 setup! :o
no wonder the older generation always gripes about the younger generation not listening... :lol:
seriously, it'd serve you well to heed the advice that the others have offered you. it's all about listening and auditioning...
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Thanks doug, your right, im looking for some accuracy and musicallity, not just blaring heavy metal.
Which is why you removed the Lorelei's from the list right?
Hmm, let's see, universally known for the level of musical information they provide, superbly engaging, wonderful musicality, plenty of detail, soundstage and low end. PERFECT match with your amp, which was made by who again?, comes with their own version of "beaks". Ya, I guess I can see why you ruled them out!
Are you sure you're not John Kerry?
Flip, flop, flip, flop.....
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...Id be willing to play with placement a lot to get good sound...
AOJ,
hate to tell ya, but in a room as small as 12 x 12, there's not much playin' w/ placement that u're gonna be able to do to get good sound especially if you like to CRANK it up to ROCK out...
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Yeah I was thinking more along the lines of Totem Forest + Rega\Naim\47 Labs
WOW! without doing any auditioning you've been able to narrow your choices down to 1 setup! :o
no wonder the older generation always gripes about the younger generation not listening... :lol:
seriously, it'd serve you well to heed the advice that the others have offered you. it's all about listening and auditioning...
sometimes this member of the "older generation" *does* purchase before auditioning. (a lot, actually! :) ) but, when i do, it's *always* used, & at a decent-enuff price so i won't take a bath if/when i decide it's time to sell... i actually *enjoy* doing this - it's fun to hear equipment at your leisure in your own home. and, it does *not* keep me from participating in demo's when mfr's mail around gear; or stop me from listing to equipment at friends'/stores/etc...
ymmv,
doug s.
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Which is why you removed the Lorelei's from the list right?
Are you sure you're not John Kerry?
Flip, flop, flip, flop.....
byteme,
there's no rhyme or reason here...i suggest we all do as zybar did earlier.
AOJ'll learn his own way on his own terms...everyone has to embark upon their own journey in life...
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...Id be willing to play with placement a lot to get good sound...
AOJ,
hate to tell ya, but in a room as small as 12 x 12, there's not much playin' w/ placement that u're gonna be able to do to get good sound especially if you like to CRANK it up to ROCK out...
I think we'll be on to room treatments soon....... :lol:
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sometimes this member of the "older generation" *does* purchase before auditioning. (a lot, actually! :) ) but, when i do, it's *always* used, & at a decent-enuff price so i won't take a bath if/when i decide it's time to sell... i actually *enjoy* doing this - it's fun to hear equipment at your leisure in your own home. and, it does *not* keep me from participating in demo's when mfr's mail around gear; or stop me from listing to equipment at friends'/stores/etc...
ymmv,
doug s.
Ditto here. The used market is a great way to audition stuff for esentially the cost of shipping. Sometimes it's even cheaper than being on an audition tour!
I'd love it if a-gon allowed you to track purchases and sales by individuals so you could see how many members have owned and then sold the same piece, what it went for, etc. and kept the ads for it too. I'd FOR SURE pay for that feature! Just to see that the preamp you want to listen to in house has been across the country 5 times already, owned by 7 different people and has actually gone UP in price the last two sales! What a riot!! :lol:
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Ditto here. The used market is a great way to audition stuff for esentially the cost of shipping. Sometimes it's even cheaper than being on an audition tour!
I'd love it if a-gon allowed you to track purchases and sales by individuals so you could see how many members have owned and then sold the same piece, what it went for, etc. and kept the ads for it too. I'd FOR SURE pay for that feature! Just to see that the preamp you want to listen to in house has been across the country 5 times already, owned by 7 different people and has actually gone UP in price the last two sales! What a riot!! :lol:
it's true - specific pieces of gear i'm interested in, i've seen bought & sold several times. as well as specific pieces *i've* owned! :D
doug s.
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sometimes this member of the "older generation" *does* purchase before auditioning. (a lot, actually! :) ) but, when i do, it's *always* used, & at a decent-enuff price so i won't take a bath if/when i decide it's time to sell... i actually *enjoy* doing this - it's fun to hear equipment at your leisure in your own home. and, it does *not* keep me from participating in demo's when mfr's mail around gear; or stop me from listing to equipment at friends'/stores/etc...
ymmv,
doug s.
doug s.,
true dat! i'm wija on dis! :mrgreen:
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...Id be willing to play with placement a lot to get good sound...
AOJ,
hate to tell ya, but in a room as small as 12 x 12, there's not much playin' w/ placement that u're gonna be able to do to get good sound especially if you like to CRANK it up to ROCK out...
I think we'll be on to room treatments soon....... :lol:
funny...i was thinking the same thing when i typed up that reply... :rotflmao:
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edit: ok I will play with the quotes another time
Good one!!!
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...Id be willing to play with placement a lot to get good sound...
AOJ,
hate to tell ya, but in a room as small as 12 x 12, there's not much playin' w/ placement that u're gonna be able to do to get good sound especially if you like to CRANK it up to ROCK out...
I think we'll be on to room treatments soon....... :lol:
funny but true! seriously, a 12"x12" room will be *wery* difficult to eek a good soundstage outta. and, it will also be hard to rock out.
i'd recommend someting like my proac tablette 8 reference monitors, crossed over to a pair of subs that are rated down to the mid/high 20hz range.
my recommedation, in another thread, was for the coincident research victory's, which would still work ok in a smaller room, imo. at 97db/1w/1m efficiency, a flea-power amp would blast ya outta the room. and, the ribbon tweet is one of the best, imo. this tweet's limited wertical dispersion would actually be of benefit in a smaller room. another nice thing about the victory's for a small room, is that it's recommended *not* to pull them out much further than 3' into the room. i'd still actively cross 'em over to subs, tho! :D
ymmv,
doug s.
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The totems are really small. 3ft tall. 8" wide. weigh about 50 lbs. Those coincidents are meant for tubes.
Anyone heard Usher audio? Know about their rocking capabilities?
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Anyone heard Usher audio? Know about their rocking capabilities?
If you ruled out the Lorelei's you'd not want the Usher's either. Virtually identical drivers (the 6 series anyway) and have similar attributes: excellent musicality,great dynamics,BIG soundstage, detail. That kind of thing.
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so whats missing?
The Lorelies, I just dont think they would be the best rockers.
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AJM,
No one person (that is not a well experienced audio veteran or long established audio dealer) has experience with the entire list of equipment you present before audio forums. There will be those few who claim to have done so, hopefully you will have the common sense to detect their bullshit.
Your attitude in this thread also sucks. These people are not obligated to participate in this thread and you should respect that. Many people and many forums have given up assisting you partly due to the attitude you give them when people try to assist you. Whether you like the advice is a moot point, it is freely given to you out of good will.
Opinions about equipment will always differ. One man will give individual equipment or combinations praise while another will be directly in contrast. Your approach is wrong. Instead of creating a long list of hi-fi equipment, it would be more prudent to simply state your tastes, previous gear owned, budget, and then go from there. Usually for each response, you get a different suggestion. This is where product knowledge and experience comes into play. For someone as new and inexperienced as yourself, narrowing down a list of gear you have never even laid your eyes on is flat out wrong.
At the rate you are going, you will never find happiness. A week ago you were loving the Def Techs and swearing by their sound. This week you want to ditch them as quickly as possible. You hook up the Odyssey, which needs repairs – for all of a few minutes. You then decide in that short period of time, using the Jolida as a pre, that its not for you. Hard to determine given such a short period of time, especially if you now don’t even like your speakers? So how do you know you like it again ?!?!?
Get your butt out and listen to as much gear as possible, even if its in the same store and the same equipment. My words may be harsh but they also yield truth. Later on I will search for dealers in your area. I know there are quite a few south of you that sport some incredible equipment that falls within your budget. Speaking of which, the way your budget increases could single handedly raise the national economy level. Why don’t you wait until you have between 10 (your half way there already) – 15 grand to spend on a system. At which point, nearly anything you choose will be pretty damned good.
AJM,
This is the BEST advice you ever get from anyone in this forum. Go back and reread words by words and follow his advices. Don't let anyone make decision for you but instead let your ears do the work.
Now, get your butt out to an audio store or even better an audio show.
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...Anyone heard Usher audio? Know about their rocking capabilities?
there's LOTS of opinions about Usher all over the audio forums. do SOME research on ur own...that's something they teach in school...at least they were doing that back when i was going to school...anyways, i'm sure you've wondered why you were being taught certain things in class thinking that you'd never use it again? well, here's ur opportunity to apply what you've been taught...
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so whats missing?
The Lorelies, I just dont think they would be the best rockers.
Thanks doug, your right, im looking for some accuracy and musicallity, not just blaring heavy metal.
:o OK, I'm done. :roll:
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so whats missing?
The Lorelies, I just dont think they would be the best rockers.
EXACTLY!!! you don't THINK they'd be...but you haven't HEARD them for yourself! you can't possibly know how a speaker sounds without hearing them.
i would never have thought that my bookshelf speakers w/ a tweeter and a puny 5.25" woofer would kick the crap out of some Def Tech BP-10B floorstanders based on looks and specs...but they sure do. and they do it quite handily! they don't go as low but they do everything else A WHOLE LOT better. who'd have thunk that? not me...
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so whats missing?
The Lorelies, I just dont think they would be the best rockers.
Thanks doug, your right, im looking for some accuracy and musicallity, not just blaring heavy metal.
:o OK, I'm done. :roll:
:lol: :rotflmao: :thumb: :banghead: :wave: :scratch:
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what bookeshelves would those be?
And you said it yourself, Usher and Odyssey are practically the same, so ill add Usher to my list just because they have other speakers after the one in that price range, an upgrade path.
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so I just dont think they would be the best rockers.
GO LISTEN to some dynaudio 42s, 52s or spendor l3/5a ...i think that'll will rearrange your preconceived notions based on assumptions of what you think a speaker can do.
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what bookeshelves would those be?
Onix Reference 1s
(http://www.av123.com/images_dynamic/gallery/speakers_23_5.jpg)
And you said it yourself, Usher and Odyssey are practically the same...
not me...i haven't had the chance to audition either the Usher or Odyssey speakers yet. and btw, you get an F for misquoting. :wink:
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:o OK, I'm done. :roll:
Me too... :)
OK, Mad Dog, he is all yours ...:notworthy: :notworthy:
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:o OK, I'm done. :roll:
Me too... :)
OK, Mad Dog, he is all yours ...:notworthy: :notworthy:
all this :argue: has gone nowhere :banghead:, so like the rest of you, i :surrender:
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:o
I talk to this kid fairly regurally. I must say all the advice given here has been repeated, and repeated for the past months. This kid has heard this before, and maybe if everyone keeps drilling it in his head he will figure it out.
Ah well, I am only 15, not much older than him. I learned the hard way, I wasted tons of money (but not near the money he is throwing around). Either way, trying to explain to him others cant tell him what he will like is like trying to tell a shovel it wasnt made to dig.
Have a nice day!
The kid from next door,
Trey
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The totems are really small. 3ft tall. 8" wide. weigh about 50 lbs. Those coincidents are meant for tubes.
Anyone heard Usher audio? Know about their rocking capabilities?
the proac ref 8 sig's are REALLY small - 10.5" tall. 6" wide. they ROCK.
check out this room, 26x38x8.5. HUGE. w/openings to two spaces *at least* as big as that room. the tiny proacs ROCKED in there. (no, the speakers in the pics are not the proacs, these are HUGE in comparison to the proacs!!! :D
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=541)
the victory's also rock. even w/8wpc of toob power! but, who cares if they like tubes. they will also rock w/yer odyssey amp. what's yer point? :o
doug s.
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what's yer point?...
:rotflmao:
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I know I said I wouldn't but I have to:
what bookeshelves would those be?
And you said it yourself, Usher and Odyssey are practically the same, so ill add Usher to my list just because they have other speakers after the one in that price range, an upgrade path.
Oh FUCK! You have a list of 15 speakers to choose from, growing by the minute, and now you're worried about an upgrade path? Do you have A.D.D? Oh, look, there's something shiny! Wonder how it sounds...
:jester:
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Doesn't anyone in here have a troll license and enough ammo yet?
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Alright, Aintjomamma, I was just informed that you're 14. As such, I will make this one last attempt.
I started in this hobby about the same age. By 16 I worked at a big box AV store (American TV) had an Onkyo integrated amp and tuner, crap speakers and thought I was in heaven. Everything I knew came from reading, Stereo Review, Audio, Julian Hirsch - who never met a piece of equipment he didn't like - and I made my choices based on what reviewed well. I then discovered Stereophile, took out a loan and bought the best stuff I could afford from their recommended list. Ended up with a Superphon preamp, B&K pre, Ortophon cartrige on a crap turntable, Polk RTA11t's (which I still have to this day) and can distinctly remember sitting in my chair listening to the harmonies on Paul Simon's Graceland, vinyl. Did it get any better?!? How the fuck should I know? I'd never heard anything else...
At that point I would have had many of the same questions you currently have, we'd have had different attitudes but similar questions. We both had something in common though, neither of us know/knew a goddam thing about what to listen for - to this day I'm not sure I still do.
The only way to get to the point where you do is to listen. Just like everyone here has been telling you. Listen to everything, crap systems, good systems, great systems. What you can learn from people on these forums is how certain components interact, synergies, that type of thing. The other thing you can learn from these people is what type of sound each of them likes. To me this is HUGE and one of the first things I'll PM someone about (or better yet search for prior posts and learn about them) if they offer advice on equipment. This way if they have heard a piece of equipment and like/dislike it, if we have the same sonic goals I know I can rely on their input and it's almost like I've auditioned it myself. What you can't learn here is what YOU like.
This hobby is a journey. You can't start at the finish. I don't think there is a finish. There is always another tweak, a new cable, a mod for your crossover/dac/amp, different NOS tubes!! The list is endless. It's part of the fun and the disease.
You're 14. You're not supposed to know everything, and, fortunately you can't just download what you don't know - this isn't the Matrix. Hopefully you won't get discouraged by all this, hopefully you won't have pissed off so many people that noone will pay any attention to your threads any longer. Hopefully you'll look back in 3-4 years and laugh at how naive you were "back then". I'm 37 and do that all the time. Hopefully you'll go out and listen to some f'ing systems and stop arguing when people give you advice!! :wink: Until then, enjoy the music you like, review the stuff you run through your system, and share your experiences. That, also, is part of the fun - and the disease.
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Hi Guys,
I'm certainly not going to recommend another speaker as i think he has enough to demo.
I just want to know how can a 14 kid afford this expensive audiophile equipment?
I bought my first system at 14 which was a turntable system with amplifier included and 4 speakers. I should have stuck with it because at the time i loved it.
Btw i think this is one of the best threads i've read.
I wish i could have a thread this long but am luck to get one or two people to respond :) .
regards
rod
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I wish i could have a thread this long but am luck to get one or two people to respond :) .
regards
rod
Rod,Thats because you only ask about one item......try asking about 15 to 20 items. You'd have lots of views then..... :hyper: [/list:u]
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:lol:
We think the lil runt sells teddy bears :mrgreen: :D :) :wink: :? 8) :o :lol: (very serious, btw)
He will make up his mind, eventually (maybe)
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This has been one of the funniest and most imformative threads I have read in quite a while.
Pst...hey AJM, add the Klipsh RF-5 to you list. They rock.
I kid you not, from their website: "The Reference Series RF-5 two-way, floorstanding loudspeaker is just like that guy in high school who had everything. Good looks, captain of this, president of that, homecoming king and a GPA that made Ivy League schools salivate. We've incorporated all of the latest and greatest in loudspeaker materials and technology with the RF-5 and the result is one fine sounding system that you can't help but like. " :lol: :lol: :lol:
(http://www.klipsch.com/media/Photos/RF5_5_large.jpg)
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I think AJM is really a college student who is majoring in psychology. His semester assignment is to see how many people he can drive insane in the shortest amount of time. 123 replies in just over two days. WE ARE ALL PARTICIPATING IN A SCIENCE EXPERIMENT!!!!! :flak:
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I think AJM is really a college student who is majoring in psychology. His semester assignment is to see how many people he can drive insane in the shortest amount of time. 123 replies in just over two days. WE ARE ALL PARTICIPATING IN A SCIENCE EXPERIMENT!!!!! :flak:
MWAUHAUAHAHAHAHA
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And you said it yourself, Usher and Odyssey are practically the same...
not me...i haven't had the chance to audition either the Usher or Odyssey speakers yet. and btw, you get an F for misquoting. :wink:[/quote]
I was quoting byteme :roll:
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I was quoting byteme :roll:
well then learn to use the quote button properly... :roll:
AND learn to listen not only to some of the sage advice you've been given but also as much gear as you can possibly listen to...maybe it'll be too much "work" just like research can be that you'll just give up this hobby! :rotflmao:
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I was quoting byteme :roll:
Who, by the way, didn't say that, rather he said, they use almost identical drivers and have similar sonic qualities.
As you will learn, grasshopper, a crossover can make or break any given driver or combination thereof. I guarentee you, the Usher crossover doesn't look like this:
(http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/odyssey/xover2.jpg)
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between Usher and Lorelie what would you pick?
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between Usher and Lorelie what would you pick?
System link below. I'm Odyssey from the time it leaves the preamp until it hits the air.
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Personally, i believe usher offers a better value. Those that have compared the 6311 and lorelei (notably not myself, so this is hearsay, and the 6311s are the most similar to the lors), found them very similar. The 6311 offering slightly more detailed and sweet highs, while the lors have better lows. Since the 6311 can be had for ~ 2/3 the cost of the lors, i went with the ushers. And i would definately say the 6311s can rock nicely.
I think stepping up to the 6371 or 6381 would probably put you (subjectively and again speculation on my part) above the performance of the lors, but you would need a pretty large room for either of these.
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between Usher and Lorelie what would you pick?
I haven't heard the Lorelie but I do like the Usher X-718... it's a monitor but sounds big. I seriously considered the 6311 but my dealer told me the 718 had a better upper midrange because of the phase plug. (or something was better... don't quote me.)
In any case, the 718 is the best match for my room so far. Floorstanders have overloaded the room... a 12x12 room limits floorstander choices. B&W makes some small ones that might work for you as well.
I think all of the choices on the list are overkill for a 12x12 room... and a monitor is the better way to go. Consider some Ellis 1801's... GR Diluceo's, etc.
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asking for an opinion here...
Can Silverline,Von something VR-4 JR, JM Reynaud or Vienna rock?
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asking for an opinion here...
Can Silverline,Von something VR-4 JR, JM Reynaud or Vienna rock?
I think they.....roll !! :jester: Go... and... listen... to... some... speakers. :roll: [/list:u]
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asking for an opinion here...
Can Silverline,Von something VR-4 JR, JM Reynaud or Vienna rock?
I think they.....roll !! :jester: Go... and... listen... to... some... speakers. :roll: [/list:u]
im not sure how many times this needs to be said for it to sink in.
its really amusing to read from start to finish.. its truly like beating your head into a brick wall. :banghead:
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notice I said ASKING FOR AN OPINION HERE :!:
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notice I said ASKING FOR AN OPINION HERE :!:
VR-4jr's can rock..... http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=12244
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any opinion on the others?
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notice I said ASKING FOR AN OPINION HERE :!:
why should anyone bother?!? i offered opinions, but they dint jive w/yer preconceived notions, so ya dismissed them outta hand. yust like lotsa other folks' suggestions here. :o
at this point, *everyone's* opinion is the same. go listen for yourself! if yure insistent on spending money, then yust ante up for some used speakers that ya tink ya mite like. sell 'em if ya don't like 'em & buy some more. if ya do like 'em, keep 'em and keep looking for others that may be of interest. when ya find a good deal on something else, buy it & then a-b, & sell which ever one comes in 2nd place. keep this up for a while, & then you'll have a good idea of what ya like & dislike. :wink: ya may also find yourself ending up w/more than one pair of speakers or audio systems, cuz ya find ya like several different types... :mrgreen:
ymmv,
doug s.
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Thing is there are basically no dealers around me that carry the speakers on my list, probably because most of them are from the UK. So im going to buy it by research, if I like it ill keep it, if not ill sell it. Im trying to narrow the chances of me not liking it. And yeah I have been taking note of peoples suggestions even if it seems like I havent been. This thread has helped me a REALLY lot despite all the insults, and I thank everyone who has posted in it. :roll:
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Thing is there are basically no dealers around me that carry the speakers on my list, probably because most of them are from the UK. So im going to buy it by research, if I like it ill keep it, if not ill sell it. Im trying to narrow the chances of me not liking it. And yeah I have been taking note of peoples suggestions even if it seems like I havent been. This thread has helped me a REALLY lot despite all the insults, and I thank everyone who has posted in it. :roll:
not sure where yure located, but most of the brands mentioned are readily awailable in the usa. look up the company's, find the distributors & dealers... or, go to an audio show where there are loads of brands in one place. dealer showrooms & audio shows can only give an idea of what ya mite like in yer own room, tho, so buying used is still always a good idea, imo...
re: the recent speakers ya inquired about, there's *lotsa* stuff been written about 'em, both by reviewers & by the audiophile community. look it up on the web & on audio asylum, as well as here. sometimes, it's yust good to read, w/o asking questions, until ya have things better narrowed down in yer own mind, about what ya *think* ya mite like... :wink:
good luck,
doug s.
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Maybe start small and work your way up....then you will know what your room will handle.
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One speaker im really skeptical about is the Anthony Gallo Refrence III. The 3" drivers dont seem like they could rock like no tommrow. I might be wrong, anyone heard these?
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One speaker im really skeptical about is the Anthony Gallo Refrence III. The 3" drivers dont seem like they could rock like no tommrow. I might be wrong, anyone heard these?
even if they *could* rock (dunno if they can or not), i'd stay away from speakers w/such a wide dispersion pattern in such a small room...
doug s.
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They are tricky, I hear in small rooms the tweeter is not a problem, and actually works well with small rooms :) It dissolves the wall and creates no annoying echos.
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One speaker im really skeptical about is the Anthony Gallo Refrence III. The 3" drivers dont seem like they could rock like no tommrow. I might be wrong, anyone heard these?
even if they *could* rock (dunno if they can or not), i'd stay away from speakers w/such a wide dispersion pattern in such a small room...
doug s.
I agree with doug...heard them at the HE2004 show...best in a larger room.
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OK then, I think ill take them off the list. They have many qualities that appeal to me, but probably wont rock like a Neat. :drums: :guitar: :rock: :rock: :singing:
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Have you had a look at this website?
http://www.ecoustics.com
Should be able to help you out some in your quest.
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OK then, I think ill take them off the list. They have many qualities that appeal to me, but probably wont rock like a Neat. :drums: :guitar: :rock: :rock: :singing:
Neat....consumer reviews..... http://ecoustics.audioreview.com/pscAudioReview/Speakers/Main+Speaker/MYSTIQUE/PRD_120255_1594crx.aspx