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Industry Circles => Daedalus Audio => Topic started by: Daedalus Audio on 22 Dec 2014, 01:47 am
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One of our wood suppliers found this stash of "baked maple" and we bought all they had, enough for maybe ten pairs of speakers! My first thought was that I finally want to build a set just for myself. In thinking about what is my personal favorite model I came up with the idea of blending the Ulysses and the Argos... So this will be shaped like the Argos with two 8" woofers at the bottom and we will add an extra 5" driver to the top for a total of six drivers.
The cabinet will be about 2 inches taller than the Ulysses, very similar in volume to the Orpheus and will have great bass extension and definition.
I'm pretty excited about this new 'version' of the Argos and will post pics as it progresses.
As for the name I was thinking along the lines of a "big" Argos (dog) and of course Sirius popped up... so for now that is the name... Sirius V.2
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Hi Lou,
Best wishes on the new speaker model. From your description it sounds like a great addition to the Daedalus line.
Warmest regards,
Frank
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I will be watching for pictures and a reason for a road trip to hear them :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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As for the name I was thinking along the lines of a "big" Argos (dog) and of course Sirius popped up... so for now that is the name... Sirius V.2
I think you should try the dark side and name it Cerberus, the hound of Hades. It's a three way, right? 8)
Or you can name it Fluffy if you want to go Harry Potter on us. :lol:
(http://iampierremenard.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/fluffy_bm_bayern_qi_514631a.jpg)
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I vote for Aphrodite, the most beautiful Greek god. Sirius is associated now with low-fi car radio.
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I go for Fluffy. I would look forward to asking my friend's to come over and hear my new Fluffy's :thumb:
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While nothing to do with canines, perhaps the "Concorde" after the only "supersonic" airliner.
Best wishes for a healthy, successful 2015.
Harvey
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As for the name I was thinking along the lines of a "big" Argos (dog) and of course Sirius popped up... so for now that is the name... Sirius V.2
Based on this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argos
"The name Argos apparently signified an agricultural plain and was applied to several districts in ancient Greece. Historically, the Argolís was the easternmost portion of the Peloponnesian peninsula, and the city of Árgos was its capital."
Therefore, perhaps ''Argolis' is appropriate as a bigger Argos.
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I vote for Aphrodite, the most beautiful Greek god. Sirius is associated now with low-fi car radio.
Good point. Plus if the radio service gets a burr in their saddle it could be a PITA. Maybe Newt (remember the Hercules cartoons when we were kids?)
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ok, we'll ditch Sirius... :roll:
My thought is to keep it in the 'Argos' family as it is essentially a larger version of that model..
how about Argos Megas? the great dog.
Remember in mythology Argus was the faithful dog of Odysseus
thanks for the help as always :D
lou
ps the nickname can be "fluffy" :lol:
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Any more information, drawings on the back of bar napkins of pictures taken through a filter of heavy gauze or from outside the shop through a dirty window of the beginnings of the "Fluffy V.2.a" :green: :lol:
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Any more information, drawings on the back of bar napkins of pictures taken through a filter of heavy gauze or from outside the shop through a dirty window of the beginnings of the "Fluffy V.2.a" :green: :lol:
will have some pics next week. doing three sets to start and they look great! ( one set is the new fiddleback baked maple!)
I'm thinking that these are really a new model and maybe Aphrodite IS a good name? any thoughts??/ :scratch:
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As these are taking shape here I think the need a name with a bit more 'heft'... Poseidon.
any thoughts?
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Poseidon is a great sounding speaker name IMO, but I suggest Googling "Poseidon speakers" before you get too set on the name.
I'll bet pictures of your new speakers would be warmly welcomed here. [Hint. Hint.]
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As a kid my favorite greek god was Poseidon. But after reading up on some others here I think Dionysus would be a cool name.
According to Wikipedia he was the god of wine, parties and festivals, madness, chaos, drunkeness and ecstasy. I think I'd like to hang out with Dionysus... :D
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I think mresseguire is onto something there. :roll:
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As a kid my favorite greek god was Poseidon. But after reading up on some others here I think Dionysus would be a cool name.
According to Wikipedia he was the god of wine, parties and festivals, madness, chaos, drunkeness and ecstasy. I think I'd like to hang out with Dionysus... :D
This name appears to be used also but to a lesser degree. :scratch:
http://www.rjbaudio.com/Dionysus/dionysus.html
I imagine most of the greek names have been attached to some audio item at one time or another :thumb:
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This name appears to be used also but to a lesser degree. :scratch:
http://www.rjbaudio.com/Dionysus/dionysus.html
I imagine most of the greek names have been attached to some audio item at one time or another :thumb:
Doh! Daedalus Dionysus had such a nice ring to it too...Alright, I'll go with Fluffy then. :thumb:
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Isn't it about time we get to see some pictures of the sawdust piles :scratch:
Not saying you have a messy shop :whip:
But how is Fluffy Coming along :scratch:
Gotta get a Latin translator and see what Fluffy is :thumb:
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Fluffy sounds....well....like it is marketed for 11 yr olds.......but the Latin appears to be "CRINITUS". Now, that sounds more mature. Hmm?
Of course, that 'itus' sounds like 'itis', which isn't good. Or is it 'NEETUS"?......Next name, please!
Keep 'em coming, boys.
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So I Googled Crinitus and it appears to be associated with a small bird not the image Lou might be looking for :o
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Still a long ways to go but here is one next to a pair of Ulysses. this is the limited baked maple. We should have them sanded shaped and oiled next week. More pics then.
Right now the name is Poseidon, am thinking of Pegasus but may save that for another down the road :D
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Unbelievable :slap : :slap: so is that a narrow strip of walnut on the front???
I can hardly wait for you to bring them over to my house for the audition :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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I do believe my house is a tad closer...
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Unbelievable :slap : :slap: so is that a narrow strip of walnut on the front???
I can hardly wait for you to bring them over to my house for the audition :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
It will make more sense when they are sculpted, the baffle has baked maple where the angle happens and the mids and tweeters fill the width of the walnut. The bottom section is highly figured walnut from my guitar stash :thumb:
Looking forward to seeing how this comes together.
Sonically there is a lot going on, one aspect being the larger cabinet with smaller ports to give more bass extension and at the same time tighter mid bass.
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The wood looks great. I can only wait and twiddle my thumbs. If some help is needed sanding I will bring my own block and paper.
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finally have begun the finish on the first pair of Poseidon! (baked maple)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=115680)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=115681)
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I would sale my sole for a pair but somebody reminded me she already owns it :stupid:
Seriously that is some beautiful wood :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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Lou, I have never heard your speakers, but they sure are beautiful. I love the cabinets. Great Job
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Do I see sculpting for an angled tweeter there, like on the Agros?
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Do I see sculpting for an angled tweeter there, like on the Agros?
Yes indeed! wide dispersion tweeters, MTM, and a larger cabinet with new design woofers!
I am very excited about these! :thumb:
here is the first coat of oil. a cherry and a walnut pair get oil tomorrow!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=115749)
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Is there a angle to the whole cabinet or just the front or are my glasses just dirty :scratch:
I cleaned the monitor last month :thumb:
That wouldn't be Lou Reeds cabinet under the piano :scratch: :scratch:
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Yes indeed! wide dispersion tweeters, MTM, and a larger cabinet with new design woofers!
Is this to suggest that the tweeters and woofers are new to this design compared to your other models, or am I reading this incorrectly? If so, any details on the new drivers?
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Is there a angle to the whole cabinet or just the front or are my glasses just dirty :scratch:
I cleaned the monitor last month :thumb:
That wouldn't be Lou Reeds cabinet under the piano :scratch: :scratch:
The cabinet is angled same as the Argos: front is angled inward and up.
They are big speakers but the angle among other things makes them look more... 'sleek'.
Yes that is the S-82 I first built for Lou Reed, it came back in a trade in for a newer cabinet.
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Is this to suggest that the tweeters and woofers are new to this design compared to your other models, or am I reading this incorrectly? If so, any details on the new drivers?
The drivers are unchanged except for the woofer which is the 2015 version of our proprietary 8" driver.
This driver will be in all the systems from here on out. We have incorporated a shorting ring into the design, resulting in lowered distortion and smoother bass response, otherwise the driver is unchanged from the previous version.
The idea behind the Poseidon was to meld the best attributes of the Ulysses and the Argos into one system; hence the tweeter arrangement of the Argos and the MTM of the Ulysses. I chose the coupled woofer arrangement like the Argos to place the mids and tweeters at or slightly above ear level and to take advantage of the slightly romantic sound of the two woofers coupled together.
thanks,
lou
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won't be long!
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We have incorporated a shorting ring into the design, resulting in lowered distortion and smoother bass response, otherwise the driver is unchanged from the previous version.
thanks,
lou
For some of us in the cheap seats what is a "shorting ring" :scratch:
And will the Trim Ring still be used :scratch:
Just a stunning cabinet none the less. :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
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For some of us in the cheap seats what is a "shorting ring" :scratch:
And will the Trim Ring still be used :scratch:
Just a stunning cabinet none the less. :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
Trim rings are standard on ALL models from mid 2014 on.
In short a shorting ring is a copper ring in the motor of the driver that helps to stabilize impedance swings thereby lowering distortion.
It is not a huge difference from my previous version of the 8" driver in most applications and it is expensive to modify old speakers to these because of shipping costs and crossover modifications, but for the new systems or if a pair is already in for a v.2 upgrade it is well worthwhile. PS, the new driver is $200 ea.
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That wouldn't be Lou Reeds cabinet under the piano :scratch: :scratch:
Good eyes Alan. :thumb:
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I am just glad you cant see the water ring from the coffee cup I set ontop of it :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted:
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And no I didn't but I could have. :oops:
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Lou,
I got a big boost to my 'audio education' this afternoon. Alan (and Sue) brought his Pans over to my house for a few hours of listening to different speakers and preamps. I have a pair of Harbeth 30.1s this weekend for evaluation. These sound 'well mannered', cozy, and warm. After a good hour of the 30.1s, we placed the Pans on the stands.
Within 10 seconds of the Pans' playing, I knew they were better than the 30.1s. Just like that! Wow.
All three of us expressed it much the same, I think. With the Pans, we were in the venue. The band or the singer, etc. was on the stage to our front. I could 'see' the different members. There were other folks in the venue (hall, dance hall, lounge, etc.) all quietly enjoying the great music with us. WE WERE THERE!
I did not get that feeling with the Harbeth monitors. Oh, I'm not knocking them. They do make beautiful music, but I dont 'leave' my room when I close my eyes.
A big thank you to Alan for lugging the Pans over to my house today. An even bigger thank you to Sue for putting up with us. I guess I have just one complaint - Alan insisted on taking the Pans back to his home. WTH?
Lou,
Awesome speakers, sir!
Michael
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Michael:
Thanks for sharing your experience comparing the Pans and the Harbeth 30.1s. I think there are a lot of people who will find this an interesting topic and would invite you (and your colleagues) to share some additional information when you are able. The Harbeth Monitor 30.1 is widely considered to be the BEST standmount monitor available--pretty much at any price--so the fact that you and your friends preferred the Pans speaks powerfully to the performance (not to mention value) of Lou's speakers. As some of you may know, I am a BIG fan of the Harbeth line, having owned Compact 7s for many years. In fact, I spent two years listening to a WIDE variety of speakers when I sought to replace my Compact 7s with a larger floorstanding design--I was moving my system into a larger space. Just about everything I heard--even speakers costing up to $20K--came up short of the sound I was getting with my Compact 7s, particularly with regard to accurate tonality and realism in the midrange. Finally, I discovered Lou and Daedalus and got what I was looking for--proper tonality and musicality coupled with superior dynamics, speed and the ability to transport you to the listening venue. I spent some time at the 2014 Capital Audio Fest going back and forth between the Harbeth room (Monitor 30.1s) and Lou's room with the Muse and felt these were also clearly superior. But of course these were different rooms, systems, etc. So to have a first hand comparison of the Pan and Monitor 30.1 in the same room and system is very valuable indeed--particularly for those are looking for a reasonably sized domestic monitor in this price range. Please, tell us more about what you discovered!
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thanks guys :D
Michael, we can solve your problem, give me a call :)
lou
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Hello, Dodgealum.
I hesitated to post what I did last night as I half-expected to be burned for heresy for my remarks. Yet, this is a (very) subjective world within which we audiophiles exist and each of us gets to have an opinion. I know there are instances where the equipment doesn't mesh correctly, or the amp is underpowered, or something is wrong, but I don't think these occurred yesterday. My amp is an Audio by Van Alstine 400R Fet Valve hybrid. It's got plenty of power for all the speakers we listened to yesterday (speakers: 30.1, Pans, ProAc Response D2, a 2-way DIY monitor {using SB Acoustics Satori drivers} designed by Jeff Bagby, and GR Research's LGK full range monitors). That's 3 two-ways, one three-way, and one FR. The preamps were my AVA T8 Tube preamp and Alan's Gill Alana tube preamp.
My living room is probably larger than most 30.1 owners would want, but it is the best sounding room in my house. Dimensions: 29' by 13' x 8.5'. The system was set up at the short wall. The 60lb four post speaker stands are 4' from the front wall; 6' apart. There is thick carpet in this room; no acoustic treatments.
Before Alan came over, I'd had the 30.1s set up on my computer desk. [Yes, it's a large desk and it was very crowded with the speakers.] They sounded great in the near-field set up. No, I didn't try to place the pans on my desk. :nono: Alan probably would have shot me had I tried.
I'm listening to various classical pieces now. The 30.1s sound fantastic. Of course, the Pans are 20 miles away. :scratch: [Edit] I changed the speakers' angle just a tad which seems to have improved the sound stage a bit. I'm playing piano music now at a slightly louder setting than I prefer. They do sound really good.
So....without comparing different speakers....just listening to the 30.1....they sound great. I still hear them in my room - not a venue. Could it be that they are not properly toed in? [We didn't bother to make micro adjustments on the Pans. They sounded fantastic from the get go.]
I don't have all the answers. I just know what I heard yesterday.
I've surrounded myself with fire extinguishers and bullet proof glass. I still prefer the Pans. :peek:
Have a nice day.
Michael
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" I've surrounded myself with fire extinguishers and bullet proof glass. I still prefer the Pans. :peek: "
don't worry Michael, many people for years have come to the same conclusion. The Harbeths are great speakers, and the Daedalus have much in common with them, (that is a compliment to both I think).
Interesting that you have the Harbeth on your desk, I am considering a small 2 way 'bookshelf' that would be designed specifically for that purpose. may be about 8"wide x 8-9" deep x 20-22" tall solid hardwood of course.
Any thoughts?
btw the Pan would have done well on your desk, they are designed for near field use as well as in typical room.
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"Interesting that you have the Harbeth on your desk, I am considering a small 2 way 'bookshelf' that would be designed specifically for that purpose. may be about 8"wide x 8-9" deep x 20-22" tall solid hardwood of course.
Any thoughts?
btw the Pan would have done well on your desk, they are designed for near field use as well as in typical room."
Lou,
If you manage to voice them close to the Pans, I'll buy your first pair! You're only ~4 1/2 hours away. :wink:
Actually, the 30.1s are in my living room now, but it was a fun experiment to place them on my desk. I rotate my D2s, DIY Satoris, and the LGKs through the desktop every few weeks. I love it!
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I would also be interested in a bookshelf speaker. And if it had a matched woofer/bow i can think that would be a great set up. As I look into the future it will well into my price point of having a spare bedroom setup for kc critical listening as I wont be able to build a real listening room.
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A shot from the finish room yesterday. The new Poseidon next to an older Ulysses (back for upgrade and refinish). That is a pair of Athena in the foreground.
The baked maple pair ended up with some special treatment to the baffle, I'd call it the Art-Deco style :thumb: and as the finish builds it looks more like Koa. I built this pair for myself but I think I may have to bring this to the next show?
I was struck by the different visual impact of the two speakers (Ulysses/Poseidon), the compound angles of the Poseidon don't really come through in the photo but even though the Poseidon is larger it seems much more 'sleek' and proportioned.
Next week we load the first set and get a listen to the final product! :D
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=117315)
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Nice Lou
Is it top to bottom mttmww?
The same slight tweeter offset?
I really like the finish of the speakers in the middle
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Nice Lou
Is it top to bottom mttmww?
The same slight tweeter offset?
I really like the finish of the speakers in the middle
yes it is MTTMWW and the tweeters have the same offset as the Argos for a wide sweetspot and natural highs.
glad you like em :)
thanks,
lou
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I just looked at your website and noticed that there are pictures of the finished Poseidon V.2 :thumb: :thumb:
Drop Dead Killer Looking wood work and I can only assume the sound is to match :slap:
Wish I was going the Chicago.