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Other Stuff => Archived Circles => Hypex Owners Circle => Topic started by: James Romeyn on 29 May 2012, 03:06 am
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For readers of the old thread: I'm adding $60 to my cost (deduct $60 from total cost for all chassis) as if I was also paying for delivery from Utah, as all others must pay. This change makes the overall buy more equitable than earlier accounting where I saved this second shipping fee other were stuck paying.
Silicon Ray RE2207:
http://www.siliconray.com/re2207-215x70x228-aluminum-enclosure.html
Group buy selling for my/our actual cost, MOQ (minimum order quantity) 20.
This thread is only to post quantity desired. TrungT already made the CAD file (thanks TrungT) so please don't confuse this issue with any voting or suggestions, please.
View and comment on the original design thread here: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=106475.0 (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=106475.0)
I'll request funds when we get to MOQ of 20.
Cost details for CNC precut chassis model RE2207 from Mike @ Silicon Ray in China. 20 chassis ship from China to me in Utah, then I ship immediately after arrival from Utah.
Chassis $49
Shipping each to me $15 (group buy discounted from $20)
$64 x 20 = $1280 subtotal
James Romeyn pays <$60> as if his 6 chassis shipped from Utah, $1220 subtotal
One time SR $10 handling fee = $1230/20 = 61.50 ea
Add $10ea SR CNC cutting fee $71.50 ea
Add shipping from me to you, discounted Endicia commercial 3rd party account via USPS Parcel Post, 4 or 5 lbs, estimate $15ea $86.50, $173/pr (this is not your actual final cost...rather than $15 estimate as above you'll pay me the amount printed on your shipping label which you'll confirm upon arrival...example: I confirmed 4 lbs to Florida = $12.88)
Add 3% Paypal. Sorry I have Premier account. This is not a gift. Also if delivered to Utah add sales tax due. I'm licensed, but actually tax is due whether you're licensed or not but that's another story. The entire group would have to wait for a check to clear which is obviously impractical (even cashier's check will take several days out of state).
Note, if you purchase direct yourself: No free CAD design, no $10 discounted CNC fee, no $5 discount per chassis shipping (see above) add $10-15 handling fee per order (only one time in this group buy), no credit $5 per black faceplate (credited for this Group Buy). These discounts appear to more than cover our extra shipping fee from Utah.
I'll ship via Endicia USPS Parcel Post, with 100% successful safe delivery record for our guitar accessory (hundreds shipped).
Please correct math if necessary.
Chassis is black. Specify silver or black faceplate. Black normally +$5 but no up-charge for this group buy.
Mike emailed: I saw your post on audio circle. I think you should also mention that the custom laser engraving diagram is available now! everyone can have their own design on it. The laser engraving looks awesome on black anodized aluminum! Logo engraving is $10 each.
See the photo I attached, you can post it on the GB thread.
Etching requires Coreldraw cdr file, 1:1 scale.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=63153)
No power switch. Hypex SMPS600 is already fused.
IEC: Parts Express
XLR: Neutrik female chassis mount, gold or silver contacts
Binding post holes: 10mm cut for Apex Jr. $4.59/pr short gold post with large bare wire hole (Apex said he has about 300)...if your preferred post requires smaller than 10mm hole you need a bushing/washer/spacer, if larger you must open the hole larger yourself. Apex Jr posts:
(http://apexjr.com/images/5WAYBPSTGLD1.jpg)
My "lovely" pencil/graph paper diagrams, both to scale. Chassis dimensions not identical because base is ID, rear panel is OD.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=63155)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=63156)
Holler if you find an error or discrepancy.
The post hole centers match the IEC fasteners. Plus my fingertips are so big I can't even play a regular guitar neck, so I like the extra spacing. Clearance to the mounting surface should be fine with your favorite footers.
BTW, I realize, if the NC400 moved upward a few mm there would be better clearance for two amps/one ps, but its really just a mono design and frankly, Scarlet, at this point, I really don't give a darn.... :lol:
For optimistic free lunch crowd, this is for chassis only and nothing else.
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2 chassis with silver face plate.
Bill
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I am in for two with the silver face plate, please.
Thanks,
Sean
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2 please with the silver face plate.
John
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2, silver please.
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Negative, unless I'm missing something. In my accounting:
1. Everyone pays and everyone benefits equally $15 per chassis from SR in China to me in Utah (normally $20ea for non-group buy).
2. I deduct $10ea to equalize the extra fee other buyers pay to get their chassis from me (estimate, each fee unique depending on geography).
Maybe you confuse 1 and 2 above?
Yes I got confused- sorry I made a mistake :oops:
You should be reaching MOQ by now...going ...going gone :thumb:
I am doing my 3 channel in one case and will begin only later in July.
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Mike emailed:
Logo engraving is $10 each.
Man, like I want more work....Jan-Peter @ Hypex emailed permission to laser etch "Ncore" logo...as long as it's destined for Ncore innards....I requested and did not receive Ncore logo file. Mike said OK as long as Hypex grants permission which they did.
I'm etching my guitar broker logo (I expect NC400 to pique the interest of high-end acoustic instrument owners). Email me if you want to purchase the Ncore logo etched for $10ea, after which I'll request Jan-Peter again for the file.
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The Ncore logo on the outside of the case would be pretty snappy if you could pull that off.
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i have to pass,i need to fit 2 nc400 to bridge my mono block,good luck
lapsan
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Lapsan,
Do you employ one or two SMPS600 per each bridged channel?
if i could get away with one ,i do one.but which ever give me the most power.i got do a little more research.
lapsan
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lapsan, please keep everybody informed, I think you might be the first one to bridge. I'm sure everyone would love to know what happens when you do it.
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i would like 2 with silver faceplates.
thanks,
drmike
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I'm in for two with black faceplates.
Thanks
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Warning: Total is already 14 or more (at least four sold not listed here). Train leaves this station in 6 or less sales.
Instead of calling the buy done at 20 orders, would it be possible to give a date at which orders will close? I think having a date that a decision needs to be made by would be helpful to many on the fence like myself.
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...This thread is only to post quantity desired...please don't confuse this issue with any voting or suggestions, please...I'll request funds when we get to MOQ of 20....
Please observe and respect the OP. No voting, no suggestions. With all due respect, please post only quantity and face plate color or ignore this thread and start your own if so inclined. I've no intention of herding cats.
In the firehouse was a sign-up board for lunch and dinner. Members would occasionally ask the cook what was on the menu before selecting to be in or out. The cook would sometimes reply clearly and loudly for all within ear shot to hear, "You're in or you're out!"
At least with this group buy you know exactly what's on the menu and the cost!
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Please observe and respect the OP. No voting, no suggestions. With all due respect, please post only quantity and face plate color
? then what, exactly, does
Holler if I missed anything.
mean?
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mean?
Thanks, good point. English major? :lol: Edited to: Holler if you find an error or discrepancy.
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Please observe and respect the OP. No voting, no suggestions. With all due respect, please post only quantity and face plate color or ignore this thread and start your own if so inclined. I've no intention of herding cats.
Sorry I thought that the "no suggestions" rule only applied to the design, not logistics as well (And accordingly I posted my design suggestion re: speaker binding posts on the tweaking thread not this one).
Apologies for my intrusion.
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No problem...I replied to your very helpful and thoughtful suggestion. If I was an anorexic with sub-tiny fingers, and if the selected posts had smaller ends, I'd seriously consider minimizing the post hole center spacing from about 40mm to 19.2mm to accommodate Cardas' Rolls-Royce posts.
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I hate to ask this James, and thank you for being so thoughtful to actually do something like this for us, but if we want to get Cardas posts instead, would we be able to get ours drilled out differently?
I just saw your no suggestions comment, but thought it couldn't hurt too much to ask.
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Hi Jim,
I'd like 2 in black with the Logos etched, if possible.
Thanks,
John
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Rclark,
The die is cast for this particular group buy, metaphorically and digitally in CAD file. No changes.
Following is my best estimate after examining the Cardas site. Readers are personally responsible to confirm accuracy or lack thereof.
To install Cardas in this GB chassis:
1. Plug either of the two vertical 10mm post holes (plugs made for such purpose available...I'd plug the lower hole to increase clearance to whatever surface the amp rests on but that's just me)
2. Cut 13mm hole center spaced 19.2mm from remaining 10mm center...best of luck to you on those 10ths of a mm
3. Increase 10mm hole to 13mm same center...best wishes maintaining those centers
4. Cut 6.5mm hole centered mid-point between 13mm centers...hope you get the center right!
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Ok. I'll have someone local do that part. I'll just run it as is, and then upgrade to Cardas later.
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In for two in silver please.
Jeff
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Please put me down for two with the black faceplate.
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Hi Jim,
I'd like 2 in black with the Logos etched, if possible.
Thanks,
John
Howdy Jon!
You mean the Ncore logo, yes? Located where on the faceplate?
SR laser etch fee $10ea. OK?
I'll ask Jan-Peter for single-color Ncore logo in Coreldraw (cdr) file unless someone can make one by copying the Ncore logo online.
Curious to know buyer's preferences concerning the Ncore logo laser etched white on black faceplate:
Yes or no if price was the same?
If yes, where would you locate it?
Preferred size?
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I think a large logo, in white would look pretty nice in the silver face. Or perhaps over the top of the case, lengthwise.
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Please put me down for 2
black Silver faceplate and no biding post hole.
Thanks
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We're over 20.
Prepare your Paypal trigger finger.
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Just an FYI on those ordering from James. Shipping from Mike @ Siliconray usually takes about 3wks from my experience.
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At the SR website I got as far as "billing" just now. It looks like Paypal is the only option. Is this correct? Do they charge a Paypal fee and if yes, how much?
SR's PP fees (if such exist) and mine are cumulative. I await reply from Mike, same question as above.
We sold over 20 chassis for Mike. If SR charges for PP, buyers other than me would save the 2nd PP fee and receive their chassis quicker if SR allowed us to each order separately and SF drop ships each order.
I asked Mike if they'd agree to the above conditions and will post his reply ASAP.
Thanks for everyone's patience.
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Currently 31 cases sold. Sa-wheet.
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I'll take 2 chassis if it is not too late.
1) Black face plate
2) logo etched
3) shipping to Malaysia using EMI by USPS.
Regards,
Joe Ling
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Latest updates:
All buyers order direct from Silicon Ray. I'm technically out of your loop, thank goodness. This change occurred after TrungT alerted me that paying me subjects buyers to two Paypal fees (3% me, SR charges 3.5% for Paypal their only known payment method).
Mike @ SR could not open the first CAD file. I await confirmation he opened the latest (2nd) CAD file.
I also await copy of the Ncore logo from John at Acoustic Imagery (thanks!) and/or Jan-Peter at Hypex for buyers like myself and jon bee that desire such.
I also await Mike to tell me how buyers should confirm they get the appropriate Ncore mono chassis holes (I propose my last name just to avoid confusion with any other Ncore design).
After all above confirmed, start clicking at the Silicon Ray website.
Holler if I can help, phone might be better 435 213 3953.
Please don't ask Mike to change anything on the CAD file. He did not make the file.
I asked Mike to confirm his earlier $10 quote for laser etch and then I received this unedited and complete email:
It depend on your design. $15 for full size front panel engraving. Much lower for small logo.
I'm guessing $15 for the Ncore logo once/if I receive the appropriate file. For logo location (white over black only from earlier email) I'm thinking center front but I'm curious what is your preference for the logo location if you were to get it. Is it not true that power amp logos most often locate faceplate center?
Toss earlier prices based on me receiving all and then re-shipping.
AFAIK, 48-state USA price per chassis is:
$49 silver face
$54 black face
$20 ea chassis shipping
$10 ea chassis CNC cutting (no modifications AFAIK)
Subtotal
Silver $79ea no laser etch
Black $84ea no laser etch
Add $10-15 ea order handling
Add $10-$15 ea chassis laser etch white over black only, face or top, price depends on size, bigger is sometimes better but in this case it's more costly
Only acceptable logo file is "Coreldraw" cdr, scale 1:1.
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Thanks for fixing this up James 8)
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James
Mike already got the second CAD file.
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If we're dealing with Silicon Ray on an individual basis now, then why can't we get different holes cut since it looks like now we aren't getting any parts installed on it? Who's Mike? Is Silicon Ray doing all the work? What happened to the posts? Do we buy those ourselves now? If so, I'd rather just do cardas anyway. It's all a bit confusing.
Thank you.
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Latest updates:
All buyers order direct from Silicon Ray. I'm technically out of your loop, thank goodness. This change occurred after TrungT alerted me that paying me subjects buyers to two Paypal fees (3% me, SR charges 3.5% for Paypal their only known payment method).
Mike @ SR could not open the first CAD file. I await confirmation he opened the latest (2nd) CAD file.
I also await copy of the Ncore logo from John at Acoustic Imagery (thanks!) and/or Jan-Peter at Hypex for buyers like myself and jon bee that desire such.
I also await Mike to tell me how buyers should confirm they get the appropriate Ncore mono chassis holes (I propose my last name just to avoid confusion with any other Ncore design).
After all above confirmed, start clicking at the Silicon Ray website.
Holler if I can help, phone might be better 435 213 3953.
Please don't ask Mike to change anything on the CAD file. He did not make the file.
I asked Mike to confirm his earlier $10 quote for laser etch and then I received this unedited and complete email:
I'm guessing $15 for the Ncore logo once/if I receive the appropriate file. For logo location (white over black only from earlier email) I'm thinking center front but I'm curious what is your preference for the logo location if you were to get it. Is it not true that power amp logos most often locate faceplate center?
Toss earlier prices based on me receiving all and then re-shipping.
AFAIK, 48-state USA price per chassis is:
$49 silver face
$54 black face
$20 ea chassis shipping
$10 ea chassis CNC cutting (no modifications AFAIK)
Subtotal
Silver $79ea no laser etch
Black $84ea no laser etch
Add $10-15 ea order handling
Add $10-$15 ea chassis laser etch white over black only, face or top, price depends on size, bigger is sometimes better but in this case it's more costly
Only acceptable logo file is "Coreldraw" cdr, scale 1:1.
Sorry if this question has already been addressed. How and when do you want to receive payment?
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If we're dealing with Silicon Ray on an individual basis now, then why can't we get different holes cut
I don't know why you can or can't do anything.
since it looks like now we aren't getting any parts installed on it?
I have no idea on earth what you refer to above.
Who's Mike?
I respectfully request you read this thread.
Is Silicon Ray doing all the work?
No idea what you mean by "all the work?"
What happened to the posts? Do we buy those ourselves now?
Again, what are you talking about? Posts don't appear under accounting.
If so, I'd rather just do cardas anyway. It's all a bit confusing.
Do as you please. Maybe confusion is under rated. I very respectfully suggest someone other than you build your Ncore. Best wishes.
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All transactions switched from me to direct purchase from Silicon Ray. If orders go through me buyers would have pay two Paypal fees (SR charges 3.5%).
I await reply from SR regarding:
1. Confirmation they received and opened the CAD file for CNC pre-cut model RE2207 chassis for Ncore mono block design as per OP in this thread.
2. How do I specify and pay for "Romeyn" CAD/CNC design when we order?
3. Does SR have the Ncore logo in correct file and if yes, how do I specify and pay for same upon order?
As soon as I find out I'll post here.
My current count is 31 chassis, well past the MOQ of 20.
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So binding posts etc aren't part of the deal? Sorry if asking questions seems uppity :scratch:
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So binding posts etc aren't part of the deal? Sorry if asking questions seems uppity :scratch:
It's not uppity. You're either not reading or comprehending what's there. In the OP list of every item for which money changes hands: are binding posts listed? I appreciate your optimism, but who gives away free binding posts? Please read the last line of the OP.
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never mind :?
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I didn't think they were free. Ok, so you're just cutting holes for those specific posts, which we buy on our own, got it. I was under the impression you were buying them because you had mentioned sourcing a bunch and, sorry for not paying attention.
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69 ea price includes $20 ea shipping, same as before....all ok
I'm checking out 6 chassis now and will report back in a minute.
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SR will engrave this Ncore logo $10 ea, but only with stipulations below. Ignore the bamboo face panel:
(http://gallery.siliconray.com/var/resizes/enclosures/laser-engraving/IMG_6713.jpg?m=1337867187)
Mike's email at SR: sales@siliconray.com Mike's Paypal address is: newtonian@263.net
Mention "Romeyn Ncore" in email and/or at Paypal checkout for this particular chassis.
Note: add 3.5% Paypal fee to total
Chassis uncut black or silver face same $49 (black normally $54)
CNC cut for Romeyn Ncore $10ea
Shipping to USA (may be same world wide I don't know) 4 or less pieces $25ea, 5 or more pieces $20ea
Ncore logo engraving $10ea but only as follows: white only, not etched as I mentioned earlier but rather engraved (I don't know the difference), only on center of black "front panel"
Add $10 to $15 (depends on location) per order handling fee to USA only (fee unknown outside USA)
Mike emailed me: James
please tell them to notes Romeyn Ncore in paypal.
Ncore logo is not eached, it's laser engraving, on black frontpanel only.
I won't charge extra $ for black frontpanel for this GB.
Mike
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My current count is 31 chassis, well past the MOQ of 20.
James,
I think its great that you have arranged this for the AC members. I hope everyone understands how much better it is for James to have you buy direct from SR. 31 chassis broken down from bulk, screws sorted, repackaged and shipped is no small task. I bet it would take the better part of a day or two. It is worlds better to have that work performed in China and shipped directly to the end user.
Robert
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James,
Thanks for your efforts. I have just emailed Mike.
Regards,
Joe Ling
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James,
NCore will be on the top toward the center, front of the chassis - not the faceplate, like in the picture?
That would be good.
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Quick update :
The sales team has come back with a quote & I have just made payment via paypal.
Regards,
Joe Ling
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James,
NCore will be on the top toward the center, front of the chassis - not the faceplate, like in the picture?
That would be good.
Ncore logo (thanks Bruno, Jan-Peter @ Hypex for the logo) engraves in white @ center of black face panel only.
I ordered six last night:
chassis black face panel $49
CNC $10
shipping 20ea
Ncore logo engrave as above $10
Sub $89 x 6 = $534
Handling to zip 84332 $10
$544 + 3.5% PP ($19.04) = $563.04 total/6 = $93.84ea delivered ready to rock and roll.
I'm very happy, worth all the effort to just bolt together and solder six chassis. The logo ("Ncore audio power by Hypex") adds appropriate OEM flavor.
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James,
Also another thanks for your efforts putting this together. This morning I sent Mike payment for my chassis.
Sean
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I more or less enjoyed the effort. You can see, making six amps, why I would never prefer to cut 90 holes, six of them rectangular for the IEC.
I apologize for never considering that there would be two Paypal fees till TrungT mentioned it. That, plus I suspected Mike might not appreciate a dozen separate orders. Thanks to Mike for accommodating separate orders, too.
I will compare and report findings, one Ncore with normal binding post connection (internal speaker lead soldered) vs. another amp connected per Ric Schultz' recipe. Source is Trinaural center channel output, avoiding the phase anomalies resulting from summed L+R mono. I hope the difference is negligible but we'll see.
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Are you guys just adding 2 cases to the cart and doing the payment math on your own? I sent a request for a Paypal invoice today or at least advice on the best way to proceed, but haven't received a response. I just want to follow the same protocol as others in the group.
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Via email Mike listed all my costs. I sent money via Paypal and await reply. Add "Romeyn Ncore" in the Paypal notes.
If you're in the 48 states everything is itemized in my posts above except the only unknown is your handling fee, between 10 to 15, which you can find at their website with your address entered.
Shipping is 20ea chassis (4 chassis or less) or 25ea (5 or more).
Black or silver face same $49 (normally 54 for black)
Add 3.5% to your total for Paypal fee.
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Thanks James for the help, and your time and effort getting this together.
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Silicon Ray said this offer closes 10 June 2012.
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I'm still waiting for a response from 2 days ago. Hopefully I can place an order soon!
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Are you in the 48 states? If yes, the only unknown variable, AFAIK, is $10 to $15 fee per order depending on geography, which IIRC you can figure out at the site. I can itemize every other fee if you list your order.
Mike's off weekends, so I presume you'll hear from him shortly (it's Tuesday morning there now).
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Thanks James. I'm in California and just want 2 plain silver face chassis with the CNC work done. No artwork is necessary.
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Thanks James. I'm in California and just want 2 plain silver face chassis with the CNC work done. No artwork is necessary.
Here ya go:
RE2207 chassis silver $49ea
CNC quote "Romeyn Ncore" $10ea
Shipping $25ea (4 or less)
Subtotal $84ea x2 $168
My handling fee is lowest to 48 states, $10 to Utah, you're closer to China so must be the same $10
$178 + 3.5% Paypal (6.23) = $184.23
I think I posted his Paypal email above (different from his regular email address).
Do you have your amps already?
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Here's the Ncore logo laser engraved on the black face plate (or "face panel" as Mike calls it...disregard my name lower right corner)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=63483)
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James, thanks for the extremely quick response!!!!
I just placed my order using the amount we both came up with. Hopefully we'll all get our cases soon!
John
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Is this box big enough to hold the soft button board too?
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Is this box big enough to hold the soft button board too?
No idea. What is "the soft button board?" My kindergarten style drawing in the OP is to scale. Post the dimensions and I'll check fit on my drawing. There's just almost (marginal) space for a second amp board.
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I'm guessing he/she is referring to the Hypex soft start module. But, I believe that there is soft start functionality built into the power supply so this may not be needed.
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I'm guessing he/she is referring to the Hypex soft start module. But, I believe that there is soft start functionality built into the power supply so this may not be needed.
That is correct.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vendors-bazaar/190434-hypex-ncore-432.html#post3048646
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Hi,
Sorry if I've missed something in the above posts but I think I need a cost so I can send a PayPal instruction. What I'd like to get is:
2 units
In black
Engraved with logo
Shipping to Boston
and just to confirm - I send PayPal to the address above, reference this GB and I'm good? From there, where do I send shipping instructions?
Sorry if I'm creating work by asking stupid questions.
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I was wondering the same, so I sent the attached email to Mike at Silicon Ray, but no answer yet?
Can you please confirm the prices below are correct? Here is what I want:
1. RE2207 chassis Black frontpanel - $49.00 each
2. CNC cut out quote "Romeyn Ncore" - $10.00 each
3. Shipping - $25.00 each (4 or less)
4. Ncore engraved Black frontpanel - $10.00 each
5. Subtotal $94.00 each x2 = $188.00 total
6. Handling fee to Las Vegas, Nevada, USA - $10.00
7. Final Total Cost - $198.00 + 3.5% Paypal ($6.93) = $204.93
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Will,
Replies inserted below.
Jimbo
Hi,
Sorry if I've missed something in the above posts but I think I need a cost so I can send a PayPal instruction.
Both the following worked for me. Mike of Silicon Ray:
Correspondence email: sales@siliconray.com
Paypal email: newtonian@263.net
RE2207 black, black face panel $49ea
Quote "Romeyn Ncore" in order, CNC cutting $10ea
Ncore engraved center face panel $10ea
Shipping $25ea (4 or less chassis per order)
Subtotal $94ea x2 = $188pr
Handling to Boston per order: This one you can confirm at SR website if you go partway through checkout. I'm almost positive USA handling per order was $10 or $12.50 or $15, the farther east the higher the fee.
Utah was $10 so let's presume Boston is $15. Sub 188pr + 15 = 203 + 3.5% Paypal (7.11) = 210.11 total by my math but please confirm.
Make sure you quote "Romeyn Ncore" for this chassis.
Paypal Mike the money with above notes, your full name, and shipping address and you should be good to go.
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I was wondering the same, so I sent the attached email to Mike at Silicon Ray, but no answer yet?
Can you please confirm the prices below are correct? Here is what I want:
1. RE2207 chassis Black frontpanel - $49.00 each
2. CNC cut out quote "Romeyn Ncore" - $10.00 each
3. Shipping - $25.00 each (4 or less)
4. Ncore engraved Black frontpanel - $10.00 each
5. Subtotal $94.00 each x2 = $188.00 total
6. Handling fee to Las Vegas, Nevada, USA - $10.00
7. Final Total Cost - $198.00 + 3.5% Paypal ($6.93) = $204.93
Yup, looks right, insert the quote just like #2 above, send me cookies this Christmas and everyone's happy! Include your full name and shipping address and might as well include a phone too for the shipper just in case....something I forgot to suggest earlier, sorry.
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Thanks, James. Is chocolate chip ok.... :icon_lol:
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Is any food in the known world better?
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^^^^^
You can share
:wink:
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This was more work than I expected but members made it fun and worthwhile. Besides, the fact I need six amps made DIY cutting unpalatable.
Mike seems to take his work quite seriously and I feel like we'll be well rewarded.
I hope the chassis exceed everyone's expectations.
Is anyone employing binding posts other than those specified for the 10mm holes?
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Is anyone employing binding posts other than those specified for the 10mm holes?
I picked up some WBT posts from T.H.E. Show last weekend in Newport, CA. I think the rep told me they were 11mm, so hopefully I can squeeze them in without too much effort.
I've been sitting on these amp modules for a few weeks, so hopefully I can bring them to life soon.
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Yeah, maybe if you're lucky they'll fit, but you might want to pick up a small round file or 11mm bit in case.
Same with me, I've had my amps for a few weeks. Even I was willing to fasten them to a board temporarily, there's no heat sink as recommended and I have to cover them from the cats, plus it's a hassle anyway.
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XLR alert...only known fit for this chassis is:
Neutrik
Chassis mount female (standard for input, diagonal fasteners...male is output with vertical fasteners)
Available with silver or gold plated contacts, either fit as both are otherwise mechanically identical (gold contacts = black finish, silver may be natural aluminum finish).
Someone recommended and I agree we should remove anodizing finish (scratch off or employ Dremel tool) at all earth contact points between the chassis and the amp, IEC, XLR, and power supply.
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Aphex Jr. electronics had fantastic prices on the Neutrik chassis mount XLR's.
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Aphex Jr. electronics had fantastic prices on the Neutrik chassis mount XLR's.
drats! I looked there minutes before purchasing at parts express and missed them. Navigation help or link is appreciated.
Jimbo
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I'm not sure they are listed on his site. When I visited his warehouse he showed me a couple of flats of them. I guess it would be best to call or e-mail if you're interested in some.
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Hi James. Thanks for coordinating everything for the chassis. I just placed my order for 2 chassis.
--Doug
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This is off-topic, but the thread is pretty much done anyway...I'm curious if anyone preferred silver contacts for their XLR jack and why?
What kind of mains power cord will you employ?
I wish there was mid-priced IEC receptacle between these generic $2 Parts Express pieces and $50 cryogenic treated Furutech. The PE receptacles work but contact friction is minimal with $20 Marinco IEC plug.
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I wish there was mid-priced IEC receptacle between these generic $2 Parts Express pieces and $50 cryogenic treated Furutech. The PE receptacles work but contact friction is minimal with $20 Marinco IEC plug.
How about the F1-10 gold plated for about $24? http://www.vhaudio.com/connectors-ac.html#IECinlets
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How about the F1-10 gold plated for about $24? http://www.vhaudio.com/connectors-ac.html#IECinlets
Phil - do these fit?
I have ordered the romeyn chassis but not the components yet.
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This is off-topic, but the thread is pretty much done anyway...I'm curious if anyone preferred silver contacts for their XLR jack and why?
What kind of mains power cord will you employ?
I wish there was mid-priced IEC receptacle between these generic $2 Parts Express pieces and $50 cryogenic treated Furutech. The PE receptacles work but contact friction is minimal with $20 Marinco IEC plug.
Do what I did and ditch the iec. Use a circular, screw on connector such as those made by amphenol, or a plug in lemo connector. There is also a nice high power connector called powercon made by Neutrik. These are all way better than the iec.....
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I don't want to change my power cords, so need regular IEC
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Phil - do these fit?
I have ordered the romeyn chassis but not the components yet.
I don't know whether they fit with that particular chassis but here are the dimensions: http://www.vhaudio.com/connectors-ac.html#IECinlets
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I don't want to change my power cords, so need regular IEC
Put a new connector on your power cord.....
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Put a new connector on your power cord.....
My post said 'I don't want to put a new connector on my power cord' - get it?
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No, that isn't what you wrote originally....You post said "I don't want to change my power cords" which can mean you don't want to get new power cords with different plugs. Get it?
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Misunderstanding then - changing my power cords meant I don't want to change the cord's configuration, i.e. change the end, it didn't mean exchange them for different cords.
I don't want to change my power cords or put new ends on my power cords.
If you meant to be helpful, :) , thank you for the suggestion, but I will stick to plan A - IECs for now.
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Phil - do these fit?
I have ordered the romeyn chassis but not the components yet.
PE IEC receptacle:
Rectangle 27.1mm x 19.3mm
Fastener holes middle of 19.3mm, centers on 39.7mm, 3.3mm diameter
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Misunderstanding then - changing my power cords meant I don't want to change the cord's configuration, i.e. change the end, it didn't mean exchange them for different cords.
I don't want to change my power cords or put new ends on my power cords.
If you meant to be helpful, :) , thank you for the suggestion, but I will stick to plan A - IECs for now.
Yes, I went back and forth, IEC vs. the obviously superior and not so costly Neutrik AmpOn, but that makes the Ncore useless without a custom AmpOn-terminated power cord.
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How about the F1-10 gold plated for about $24? http://www.vhaudio.com/connectors-ac.html#IECinlets
Not passing judgement on these apparently very nice IEC...just conversing...years or decades ago a reliable source (may have been George Merrill of TT fame) said mis-matched metal contact is to be avoided when possible.
What's the best priced gold contact IEC plug for the mains cable?
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check out iego iec if you must use inferior technology....they are the one of, if not the, best....
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cab,
I may just purchase a pair of those!
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check out iego iec if you must use inferior technology....they are the one of, if not the, best....
OK, $30 for gold over .9999 copper piques my interest.
Back to my preference for similar contact material: link to best priced IEC plug with gold plated contacts is appreciated.
I could well be wrong, but sound unheard, regardless of cost my preference between:
1. IEC socket with nickel plated contacts/IEC plug with nickel plated contacts vs.
2. IEC socket with gold plated contacts/IEC plug with nickel plated contacts
...is #1 over #2.
IOW, I'd prefer (again, sound unheard) lower quality same metallurgy contacts over higher quality/disparate metallurgy contacts. Call me krazy!
Be interesting to know if anyone A-B'd such as described above.
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Why not get a silver plated socket and plug? Nickel is pretty poor in comparison...
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check out iego iec if you must use inferior technology....they are the one of, if not the, best....
Cab
Do you think the iego iec would fit the romeyn chassis?
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I have no idea....
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I have no idea....
post a link to the cutout and I'll check or you can look at the parts express website yourself
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Why not get a silver plated socket and plug? Nickel is pretty poor in comparison...
sorry, is there a silver contact plug?
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There are several silver plated plugs...here is the iego line which includes solid silver as well:
http://www.rkcable.com.au/IeGoPower.htm (http://www.rkcable.com.au/IeGoPower.htm)
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Jimbo
I checked out the neutrik female xlrs for the chsssis and there are a bunch of choices.
Which parts numbers work?
XLR alert...only known fit for this chassis is:
Neutrik
Chassis mount female (standard for input, diagonal fasteners...male is output with vertical fasteners)
Available with silver or gold plated contacts, either fit as both are otherwise mechanically identical (gold contacts = black finish, silver may be natural aluminum finish).
Someone recommended and I agree we should remove anodizing finish (scratch off or employ Dremel tool) at all earth contact points between the chassis and the amp, IEC, XLR, and power supply.
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Jimbo
I checked out the neutrik female xlrs for the chsssis and there are a bunch of choices.
Which parts numbers work?
The only two known XLR that fit the cutout I specified are $25 Cardas and Neutrik NC3FDL-1....the latter is low cost with nickel contacts.
Don't purchase any XLR till I post a follow up, hopefully later tonight.
Mike emailed Friday he would start cutting. I will email "Urgent" subject right now to change (if possible) the cutout for Neutrik NC3FP-1 (gold or silver contact).
I'll post outcome ASAP.
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Thanks jimbo
Anyone know of any higher quality xlr female chassis mounts that will fit?
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OK...you guys are driving me nuts with these cool IEC receptacles, but that's what this is all about right?
Trung found these, pretty darn affordable, and the prescribed hole sizes are extremely close to my cheapo PE number:
http://www.partsconnexion.com/prod_pdf/ftech_65010.pdf (http://www.partsconnexion.com/prod_pdf/ftech_65010.pdf)
http://www.partsconnexion.com/FTECHAC-65010img.htm (http://www.partsconnexion.com/FTECHAC-65010img.htm)
$17 for Rhodium, not bad!
Holes to front mount rhodium above: 19.5 x 27.4, M3 fastener centers on 40
Our holes for PE part....................: 19.3 x 27.1, M3.3 fastener centers on 39.7
1. +.2 each fastener diameter should perfectly fit -.3 centers
2. Little to no filing to fit -.2 x -.3mm rectangle
Trung hits a homer, so far!
I'm convinced and cry mercy as soon as I see a link to not too costly rhodium or gold contact IEC plug!
Set my Ncore people free! (of cheapo IEC connectors)
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Thanks jimbo
Anyone know of any higher quality xlr female chassis mounts that will fit?
Only thing I know of would be to cryo these...waiting anxiously to be found wrong!
Home cryo can be be done, but I've not tried it, yet. Freeze it in your home freezer (wife will love that, ya?) for a few days, then in the dry ice in a foam container....should cryo my Stan Warren recipe wires but never got round to it.
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Home cryo can be be done, but I've not tried it, yet. Freeze it in your home freezer (wife will love that, ya?) for a few days, then in the dry ice in a foam container....should cryo my Stan Warren recipe wires but never got round to it.
If there is any validity to cryogenically treating electrical connectors and wire to cause molecular change for increased conductivity, I wouldn't imagine it would happen at relatively warm dry ice temperatures (-109 degrees F). Cryogenic temperatures are generally in the range of -396 degrees F to -459 degrees F (-238 degrees C to -273 degrees C), and even then the carefully controlled rate of freezing and returning to room temperature is critical.
Steve
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Cardas makes excellent chassis mount xlr sockets. They are about the only ones around with a teflon dialectric. Contacts are rhodium over silver. They cost around $25 a piece. Body is gold plated...Everything close to this quality is twice the price....
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Cardas makes excellent chassis mount xlr sockets. They are about the only ones around with a teflon dialectric. Contacts are rhodium over silver. They cost around $25 a piece. Body is gold plated...Everything close to this quality is twice the price....
Right on cab - I just ordered 4.
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The only two known XLR that fit the cutout I specified are $25 Cardas and Neutrik NC3FDL-1....the latter is low cost with nickel contacts.
Don't purchase any XLR till I post a follow up, hopefully later tonight.
Mike emailed Friday he would start cutting. I will email "Urgent" subject right now to change (if possible) the cutout for Neutrik NC3FP-1 (gold or silver contact).
I'll post outcome ASAP.
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If there is any validity to cryogenically treating electrical connectors and wire to cause molecular change for increased conductivity, I wouldn't imagine it would happen at relatively warm dry ice temperatures (-109 degrees F). Cryogenic temperatures are generally in the range of -238 degrees F to -273 degrees F, and even then the carefully controlled rate of freezing and returning to room temperature is critical.
Steve
Mine is done to -350*F with a ramp down that take 48hrs then the same for ramp up.
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Mine is done to -350*F with a ramp down that take 48hrs then the same for ramp up.
I mistakenly quoted Centigrade temps and labeled them Farenheit. It should have read: " -396 degrees F to -459 degrees F (-238 degrees C to -273 degrees C) "
Steve
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Jimbo,
Do you have any updates for us, I need to order the IECs and xlr chassis pieces.
Thanks,
Bill
The only two known XLR that fit the cutout I specified are $25 Cardas and Neutrik NC3FDL-1....the latter is low cost with nickel contacts.
Don't purchase any XLR till I post a follow up, hopefully later tonight.
Mike emailed Friday he would start cutting. I will email "Urgent" subject right now to change (if possible) the cutout for Neutrik NC3FP-1 (gold or silver contact).
I'll post outcome ASAP.
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Did anyone get a confirmation after they placed their order? I put mine in a few weeks ago, and never got a single reply. I can only hope that my order was received. :scratch:
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I'm the same - money transferred but no confirmation - hopefully everything is ok.
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I didn't get confirmation either so after Paypal went thru I emailed Mike at Silicon Ray and he acknowledged receipt of the order. :thumb:
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The only two known XLR that fit the cutout I specified are $25 Cardas and Neutrik NC3FDL-1....the latter is low cost with nickel contacts.
You'd do well to check out the Neutrik site itself -
http://www.neutrik.us/en-us/xlr/xlr-chassis-connectors/
The cutouts for the D series, D, DL, DX are all the same, and all are available with contacts plated in either gold or silver, save for the DLX-crimp in silver only, and DLX-HE in gold plate only.
The NC3FD-L-1 has silver plated contacts.
The NC3FD-L-B-1 has gold plated contacts.
FWIW
EDIT:The Neutrik D chassis XLRs share the same cutout dimensions as the Cardas chassis mount XLRs. at the hypotenuse's endpoints of a 24mm x 19mm right triangle. The Neutrik 'P' chassis mounts have different mounting dimensions.
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The only known XLR fit (may be others, I'm not Spock :lol:) is:
Neutrik NC3FP-1, gold or silver contacts
If you find more than one IEC chassis receptacle at Parts Express, holler!
See the OP for proper fitting (10mm hole) binding post. If larger hole needed you could open it. For smaller hole use some type of spacer, washer, or...
Mike emailed me early last week that he was about to cut the chassis. Sounds like a slew of custom cutting jobs arrived right when ours did. I too had to ask for confirmation he received funds. I'll ask him if we should look for shipping confirmation or tracking. Sorry I never checked shipping method.
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Ok Jimbo,
So you did get mike to cut for the nc3fp1.
That is a change from the original neutrik.
I believe there is a furutech iec that fits too - Trung found it.
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Furutech ac inlet in gold or rhodium is the one.
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I like Rhodium. :thumb:
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Someone please, if time allows, research the following:
Contact material composition, IEC receptacle/IEC plug:
Rhodium over silver/nickel
vs.
Nickel/nickel
I love the rhodium over silver, but is it at least possible the latter is generally considered better? Am I the only one suspecting that contrary metal contact composition has its own drawbacks, regardless whether one receptacle is "better" overall than another?
Or...what is cost for rhodium over silver IEC plug?
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I originally setup the Ncore with the cheap IEC that came with the enclosures. It sounded terrible. Not sure if it was because a fuse was built in or what but it was bad. I then remebered I had an Acme cryo treated laying around and hooked it up and it was much better. These both were hooked up with crimp connections.
I then contacted someone in that is highly regarded in the parts business about Furutech IEC's. Here is part of his reply "Furutech FI-09, and use it in my own gear. The gold is a touch warmer than the rhodium, but the rhodium is very, very neutral-sounding, to my ears."
Mark
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Will the Cardas xlrs still work, that was mentioned earlier that Trung ID'd or are they out now?
The only known XLR fit (may be others, I'm not Spock :lol:) is:
Neutrik NC3FP-1, gold or silver contacts
If you find more than one IEC chassis receptacle at Parts Express, holler!
See the OP for proper fitting (10mm hole) binding post. If larger hole needed you could open it. For smaller hole use some type of spacer, washer, or...
Mike emailed me early last week that he was about to cut the chassis. Sounds like a slew of custom cutting jobs arrived right when ours did. I too had to ask for confirmation he received funds. I'll ask him if we should look for shipping confirmation or tracking. Sorry I never checked shipping method.
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Will the Cardas xlrs still work, that was mentioned earlier that Trung ID'd or are they out now?
If you refer to the particular Cardas which I think you refer to, negative. Examine the two drawings to confirm. Might be nice to post a link to both drawings so readers can confirm.
I'm a stickler for matched metal contacts, which IIRC George Merrill told me long ago they tested and found mis-matched contacts to be highly undesirable. I'm always open to changing my mind. But this guy's been doing this for about 50 years. So I'm highly suggesting readers consider matched metal contact composition rather than simple: "This is better build/composition so that trumps matching contact materials."
Let's put it this way. You have a stock like-new OEM Volkswagen Beetle first generation sold in the USA, whenever that was, including new stock OEM tires. You do a slalom course at maximum speed of, say, 49.0mph. You make minimum modification for the exact same car to accept modern F1 road race slicks. Rather than attain a higher speed through the same slalom course, at the first cone the slicks grip the pavement like two interlocked gears, transferring about 1000x more energy into the suspension that it was designed for, causing said suspension to rip apart and disintegrate as if hit by an Iraq IED, the car flips and engulfs in immediate flame, something such vintage Beetle did in normal use with more frequency than the average vehicle of similar vintage.
Which tire/wheel assembly above is "better" on an absolute scale? Which tire/wheel assembly above was "better" in that example?
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If you did change the drawing as you were planning to:
"The only two known XLR that fit the cutout I specified are $25 Cardas and Neutrik NC3FDL-1....the latter is low cost with nickel contacts.
Don't purchase any XLR till I post a follow up, hopefully later tonight.
Mike emailed Friday he would start cutting. I will email "Urgent" subject right now to change (if possible) the cutout for Neutrik NC3FP-1 (gold or silver contact).
I'll post outcome ASAP."
then I would need to go with the newer Neutrik that you cited -
NC3FP1 - 3 PIN Female chassis mount jacks, silver-plated contacts
http://www.partsconnexion.com/connectors_xlr_neutrik.html
The cardas xlr would fit the original drawing. Cardas 74525 CM F XLR, Chassis/PCB Mount, XLR Jack, Female,
http://www.partsconnexion.com/connectors_xlr_cardas.html
I have the parts loaded in my cart ready to pull the trigger - looks like I'm going with the newer Neutrik! (thanks Trung!)
Now, the last thing I want to do is destory a VW or start an international war with the Iraqis because I chose the wrong connector! :lol:
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If you did change the drawing as you were planning to:
"The only two known XLR that fit the cutout I specified are $25 Cardas and Neutrik NC3FDL-1....the latter is low cost with nickel contacts.
Don't purchase any XLR till I post a follow up, hopefully later tonight.
Mike emailed Friday he would start cutting. I will email "Urgent" subject right now to change (if possible) the cutout for Neutrik NC3FP-1 (gold or silver contact).
I'll post outcome ASAP."
1. Cancel Neutrik NC3FDL-1 in favor of NC3FP-1.
then I would need to go with the newer Neutrik that you cited -
NC3FP1 - 3 PIN Female chassis mount jacks, silver-plated contacts
http://www.partsconnexion.com/connectors_xlr_neutrik.html
The cardas xlr would fit the original drawing. Cardas 74525 CM F XLR, Chassis/PCB Mount, XLR Jack, Female,
http://www.partsconnexion.com/connectors_xlr_cardas.html
I have the parts loaded in my cart ready to pull the trigger - looks like I'm going with the newer Neutrik! (thanks Trung!)
Now, the last thing I want to do is destory a VW or start an international war with the Iraqis because I chose the wrong connector! :lol:
Destroy a vintage VW: about $150
Start a war by presidential decree contrary to Congressional declaration clearly described in the Constitution, said war justified by lies: about $2T and counting + 100k+ innocent deaths.
Mr. bill's humor: priceless :lol:
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Good Monday morning Honk Kong!
Asked Mike for update today and this arrived 00:31 hours Zulu:
I hope they can be shipped this week. pleat post a note to tell the members do not pay for this GB any more. 29 of 30 was sold
Progress.
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Is anyone using upgraded fancy fuses in their NCore mono amps and is it even worth bothering?
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Wrap teflon plumber's tape 'round the OEM fuse and report back to class perceived change or lack thereof...after your Ncore amps are burned in (or "seasoned" like we say at primeVibe) for a few days.
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It's Monday morning in China. Got this about five minutes ago:
Not yet. We will receive them today, probably some can be shipped tomorrow.
Mike
"Tomorrow" = Tuesday in China, which starts Monday evening in the USA.
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Nice, thanks James!! I'm really itching to build mine.
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Email Mike your telephone immediately!
Mike just emailed me:
Hi James
It's almost ready to ship now. But non of you send me the telephone number for shipping. Can you post to tell the buyers to send the telephone to me ASAP? the courier need it to delivery the package
Mike
First one to post image of two assembled working Ncore amps from this group buy wins....I don't know what...someone help me...
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First one to post image of two assembled working Ncore amps from this group buy wins....I don't know what...someone help me...
More time with their amps than the other guys ;)
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Phone # sent to: sales@siliconray.com
I hope that's right.
Thanks James!
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Big Jim,
Do you think we should have cut venting openings in the top of our Romeyn chassis?
Do the NCores run hot and need ventilation and not a sealed chassis?
Thanks,
Bill
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Ok, I think I read every page here re. heating except page 1, which IIRC had little to no answers.
Here's my analysis, based on the thread including comments from his Highness, Lordship Putzeys.
1. The hottest running component is the PS cap(s).
2. The lower the speaker's impedance and the more difficult is its phase angle, the lower the sensitivity, the larger the room, the louder the SPL, the farther the speaker to listener distance, and the deeper the bass program, the hotter will run the amp.
3.Venting is not required. If none, per Bruno, after ten years (earth years, I'm a Trekkie) continuous use, the PS caps might change value. Not necessarily affecting performance, but they could change value. Jason the Ncore moderator here built his Ncore in the same chassis in the same layout (but inverted speaker/XLR input positions, irrelevant to heat) is satisfied that he will not add venting.
I plan to shortly publish here a DIY speaker array with superb audio results. The array decreases floor real estate behind the speakers, making my first choice to lay the Ncore amps face down, rear panel up. This results in the PS cap heat traveling straight up and over the amp module, what appears to be the worst case scenario. If space allows I may lay the base plate down in its normal position.
Either way, I do plan to add venting myself. I will screw one amp together and check floor real estate. Depending on Ncore physical orientation, I plan to add 3-5mm of spacers on the screws (may require longer screws) to elevate whatever panels end up on the base and the top.
Unfortunately, all the heat/venting info appeared during our wait in China, so it wasn't available till very recently.
Again, I am convinced that venting is optional, not required, and as of now I will add some venting.
I'm making three amps for me and three for a buddy who is a Marine Aviator. We talked about the heating issue at length because we both would like to increase the chances of getting a good 15-20 years trouble free use out of our amps.
Sight unseen and sound unheard, I'm convinced as of this minute that I won't be upgrading any time soon. Time will tell.
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Thank you Jimbo!
Per you and Trung, I'll find some spacers and 'lift' the top lid and that should be good enough in my book.
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FWIW, I just took a look, and the bottom could be spaced away from the sides, same as the top, to get convection air flow through the chassis for cooling without putting holes in the panels.
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Barry, you de man!
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Hello all, I'm sorry to post this but somebody ordered the James nCore enclosure with paypal account drkingweeb@xxxxxx.com, I didn't receive email from him with this email and there's no name in email can match the name in the paypal account. Please contact me for shipping if you see this post, thanks. The name in paypal account is Michxxx Stevxxxx
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Received this image 00:33 hours today (presumably 12:33 hours @ SR). Have hope, ye of little faith...
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=63796)
Future GB: Mike received multiple requests for ten more pieces, same CNC build. Buyers interested in another GB toward MOQ (minimum order quantity) of 20: you might consider waiting till you read feedback concerning the quality of parts fitment (or lack thereof) with one of these chassis from the first batch. I plan to post ASAP after the chassis arrive.
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Nice! :thumb: I see the only faceplate not attached yet is the one that says "James Romeyn" on it. Hope they didn't run out of chassis. :P
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Received this image 00:33 hours today (presumably 12:33 hours @ SR). Have hope, ye of little faith...
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Future GB: Mike received multiple requests for ten more pieces, same CNC build. Buyers interested in another GB toward MOQ (minimum order quantity) of 20: you might consider waiting till you read feedback concerning the quality of parts fitment (or lack thereof) with one of these chassis from the first batch. I plan to post ASAP after the chassis arrive.
I read about this group buy too late to participate, but I am very glad to hear that other such opportunities may appear in the future. James, thank you for organizing this effort; your transparency throughout the process has answered every question I've had so far, save the last about how well you like the results.
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From SR tonight:
Hello James
I'm Jane from siliconray. I have sent 6 enclosures by China Post SAL Parcel. The tracking number is XXXXX and the delivery time will be 20 days. please be patient for your goods.
Best regards
Jane
Well, the good news is I don't have to clean off my work table for a couple more weeks. The bad news is extended delay till Ncore chassis arrives.
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It seems that I have to make at least 20pcs again. I got more and more email demands now. But I will not send before some of you write a review here. It will takes about 2 weeks on the way.
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My wife just called and asked why she had to give $68 check to a UPS driver with a small box from the Netherlands (expected duty). WooHoo!! Now all that's left is waiting for the 2 chassis to arrive. Can't wait. Will be tough to not put it all together on a board while I wait.
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gramps,
I decided assembling my three amps on boards for temporary duty is not worth the effort vs. waiting for the chassis. Especially because they require some type of cover for the cats.
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Thanks James. Speakers were just ordered and in early production so its easy to take your advice and wait. Also, thank you for putting this all together with Mike.
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Just wrote my check - cases please arrive! :-)
Jeff
My wife just called and asked why she had to give $68 check to a UPS driver with a small box from the Netherlands (expected duty). WooHoo!! Now all that's left is waiting for the 2 chassis to arrive. Can't wait. Will be tough to not put it all together on a board while I wait.
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Look what just arrived from China! :D Very well packed and much quicker than the 20 day estimate. The face plate engraving is nice. Good job by Mike and everyone at Silicon Ray. :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=64879)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=64880)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=64882)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=64881)
Now I just need the amps and power supplies from Hypex. :duh:
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Nice :thumb:
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Oh no, been dragging my heels and still don't have binding posts. I better get on it. These sure did get here quickly. Hope to find the same when I get home. How is the quality?
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Oh no, been dragging my heels and still don't have binding posts. I better get on it. These sure did get here quickly. Hope to find the same when I get home. How is the quality?
Yeah, I just ordered my binding posts, IEC/switch and XLRs. Hypex modules are supposed to arrive this weekend, so should have all the parts by next week. The build quality on the casework is good, tight fit with no gaps at the seams and all the screws fit snug except for one that seemed to thread a little crooked, but that was probably me. I'll fix that when I take apart the cases to put in the amps and PS.
Trung, thanks for the excellent CAD work for this GB. :thumb:
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Anyone else get their cases yet? Still waiting in Boston. Not sure what good that tracking number does for me since it was China Post.
EDIT: The mailman dropped them off this afternoon. Time to start building.
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Once it shows up in the States it will show up under USPS. At least that's how it went for me.
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I just got mine in California. The box was beat, but the chassis parts were very well wrapped, and at first inspection, seem to be perfect. I hope to have some time this coming week to put them together.
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I was starting to assemble the chassis and discovered this. :scratch:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65102)
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The Neutrik D chassis XLRs share the same cutout dimensions as the Cardas chassis mount XLRs. at the hypotenuse's endpoints of a 24mm x 19mm right triangle. The Neutrik 'P' chassis mounts have different mounting dimensions.
Is that a Neutrik XLR? The Neutrik seems to be a bit less rectangular than yours with tighter screw hole spacing.
Steve
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65103)
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Is that a Neutrik XLR? The Neutrik seems to be a bit less rectangular than yours with tighter screw hole spacing.
Steve
His looks like a Radio Shack XLR...
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I purchased them from Apex Junior. They are supposed to be the NC3FD-L-B-1. I think the basic hole pattern is the same on all the Neutrik XLR connectors.
Also noticed that Hypex sends flat head machine screw, but the holes in the bottom plate are not counter sunk.
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His looks like a Radio Shack XLR...
You can't see the stamp on the connector, but it is marked as Neutrik.
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You can't see the stamp on the connector, but it is marked as Neutrik.
This is what I used. http://www.neutrik.com/en/xlr/dl-series/nc3fd-l-b-1
I'd check those dimensions vs. what you have
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The one I have is taller overall (35 mm vs 31 mm). Do you happen to know the thread size for the xlr openning? I'm missing a screw.
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Do you happen to know the thread size for the xlr openning? I'm missing a screw.
For mounting? 3mm
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I've got the same cock-eyed twist on my XLR input as well. Using Cardas CM F XLR (CARDAS-74525) - but I'm going to mount it internally so it will be less noticeable.
And yes, JT is right. The XLR and IEC use 3mm x.5 and the chassis uses 4mm x .7
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I've got the same cock-eyed twist on my XLR input as well. Using Cardas CM F XLR (CARDAS-74525) - but I'm going to mount it internally so it will be less noticeable.
And yes, JT is right. The XLR and IEC use 3mm x.5 and the chassis uses 4mm x .7
Thanks. I'll probably order new xlr connectors and extra screws from Parts Express. Just want to do things right. :thumb:
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M3 bolts and nuts for the unthreaded Neutrik chassis mount connectors are often difficult to source locally in the States. But it is quite easy to source 4-40 nuts and bolts. When I received my chassis connectors they arrived with no nuts or bolts. So I went to my local ACE franchise hardware store and bought 4-40 stainless steel bolts and brass nuts. They fit perfectly. FWIW
edit: added descriptors in italics for clarity, prior to Jwtrace's quote
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M3 bolts and nuts for the unthreaded Neutrik chassis mount connectors are often difficult to source locally in the States. But it is quite easy to source 4-40 nuts and bolts. When I received my chassis connectors they arrived with none. So I went to my local ACE franchise hardware store and bought stainless steel bolts and brass nuts. They fit perfectly. FWIW
Plenty of them here: http://www.mcmaster.com/#catalog/118/3128/=if5cw0 :wink:
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That is a "P" style connector, it appears the holes are drilled for the more common "D" style Neutrik. If one mounts a D style in a cut out for a P style, the connector is skewed in a similar fashion.
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I think mgalusha is correct. I need a D connector like theone jtwrace put in his link. Thanks everyone for helping me with this puzzle.
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I stopped by my local Lowe's to look for longer M3 screws and nuts for easy grounding, and they had very little to choose from. I found this place online with a large selection. Now it's back to the waiting game.
http://www.rcplanet.com/
1x Axial Hex Socket Flat Head M3x12mm Black (10) AXIA146 $2.50
1x Thunder Tiger M3 Nut TTRPD1196 $1.79
2x HPI Flat Head Screw M4x12mm (10) HPI94530 $2.75
2x Integy Shim Washer M4 (1mm to 4mm) Assorted Thickness INTC23235 $6.95
(Note, M3 screws and nuts for grounding IEC and XLR's and longer M4 screws and washers in case I want to insert a space between the top and bottom of the case for additional air flow).
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My XLRs are cock eyed too.
I may just leave them for now.
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My XLRs are cock eyed too.
I may just leave them for now.
That means you have purchased the wrong part #.
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That means you have purchased the wrong part #.
Maybe not. After discovering that my P style connectors were not lining up, I purchased two of the D style connectors you suggested. They arrived yesterday and have the same hole alignment problem.
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Maybe not. After discovering that my P style connectors were not lining up, I purchased two of the D style connectors you suggested. They arrived yesterday and have the same hole alignment problem.
that sucks, then the holes are wrong for both styles. The angle should be different though. Is there enough room to drill new holes to make the D series line up correctly? Or even the P series? Note that I don't have one of these chassis, so my observations are based on past experience and the photos in the thread.
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that sucks,
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Can anyone measure the cases hole dimensions VS the connectors? Do you guys know what drawing was sent to SR and where those dimensions came from?
Have you asked James what XLR he designed this case around?
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I ordered the model what was spec'd at the time for the pre drilling and they don't fit.
Everything else fits according to design.
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Can anyone measure the cases hole dimensions VS the connectors? Do you guys know what drawing was sent to SR and where those dimensions came from?
Have you asked James what XLR he designed this case around?
There is no issue attaching the XLRs, so things could be worse. And I think the issue could be resolved with a drill press and tap.
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There is no issue attaching the XLRs
If they're not straight there is an issue. :wink: That really does look like Fighto's A$$ IMO.
So, as I said, do you have measurements of the case VS the XLR connector? There is a center hole, and then center to center location of the 3mm holes and then the location of the 3mm from the centerline of the large center hole.
With all of that, I can see what the problem is. You might be able to as well.
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Hi, I'm new here..
So what is the best way to order this case? At the Siliconray webshop?
Are there any plans for an improved 2.0 version where I should be waiting for?
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Every single part fits perfectly.
Notes:
Yes, the XLR swivels about -20-degrees counter-clockwise from vertical. At first I disapproved. I would prefer vertical, but frankly don't care much now.
Slightly loosen all or some screws before fastening the top screws, then tighten all. Otherwise top screws might not fit perfectly and risk of stripping thread.
I'd prefer about 10mm less clearance between the two vertical binding posts.
Overall, chassis above expectations.
Included rubber feet nice surprise, big, soft, but protrude about 5mm outside chassis side panels. Trung suggested and I agree: attach inside with double sided tape.
Prefer the SR included free IEC over Parts Express. SR jacks about +20% greater tension.
Nice fastener quality, black anodizing above average.
Awesome, unexpected threaded all fastener holes. My fingers so big my guitar neck +1/8" wider than average...can barely hold a 3mm nut. No nuts required (well, you know what I mean, this is a family forum).
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that sucks, then the holes are wrong for both styles. The angle should be different though. Is there enough room to drill new holes to make the D series line up correctly? Or even the P series? Note that I don't have one of these chassis, so my observations are based on past experience and the photos in the thread.
False. Specified XLR and all other parts fit perfectly first time and on all three chassis built.
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+1
Can anyone measure the cases hole dimensions VS the connectors? Do you guys know what drawing was sent to SR and where those dimensions came from?
Have you asked James what XLR he designed this case around?
Sorry this thread so long. Look back for specified part. Every part fit perfectly including XLR, etc, all, every single part.
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Every part fit perfectly including XLR, etc, all, every single part.
Well, if you consider the XLR connector at a -20* angle "perfect" then I guess so. :P :roll:
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Specified XLR come in gold or silver contacts.
I recommend emphatically gold only but keep reading. Do not, I repeat, do not employ silver contacts unless you know absolutely for sure your system leans toward under-damped, slow-ish, soft balance, and it absolutely needs to be thinned out. Even then I might still prefer gold.
Also never mix-match contact materials. I feel very sure it's far better to match contact materials rather than mix them. For instance, don't employ some crazy costly jack with exotic contact just because it's perceived "better", unless you match the material on the mating connector. Even applies to the IEC.
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Well, if you consider the XLR connector at a -20* angle "perfect" then I guess so. :P :roll:
Edited: double checked the XLR, which has vertical solder wells. SR did cut the holes incorrectly, which should be vertical for cosmetic effect, not 20 degrees off axis. The XLR fits perfectly "size-wise" but is off axis about 20 degrees. Sorry (again) for my not wearing glasses earlier when glancing at the XLR solder wells.
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I'm holding the specified XLR in my hand now and staring at it. The solder wells are off-axis equal to the chassis screw holes.
Can you post a picture of this? If I'm correct in what I think you're saying I don't see why it would matter if one can solder.
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Can you post a picture of this? If I'm correct in what I think you're saying I don't see why it would matter if one can solder.
Jason, I double checked (with glasses this time!) and indeed you are correct, the holes should be vertical. Sorry about that error.
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I ordered the model what was spec'd at the time for the pre drilling and they don't fit.
Everything else fits according to design.
I originally specified the wrong Neutrik XLR. Trung caught my error and I later specified the correct XLR. My humble apology.
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Same crooked xlr problem others have been having... did these xlr's go on straight? http://www.neutrik.com/en/xlr/dl-series/nc3fd-l-b-1
thanks!
(http://106.186.16.116/image.php?id=69552)
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Same crooked xlr problem others have been having... did these xlr's go on straight? http://www.neutrik.com/en/xlr/dl-series/nc3fd-l-b-1
thanks!
(http://106.186.16.116/image.php?id=69552)
Only if you drill new holes.
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^^^^^
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I had to drill and tap new holes. :evil: