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Title: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 20 Apr 2017, 03:26 am
I ordered the Song 3 Encore about 2 weeks ago.  At the time, Jim was still working to get the first pair finished and evaluated.  He wasn't even sure that he would have it ready in time for AXPONA.  It sounds like the guys did make that deadline and those first Song 3 Encores are headed to the show.  I wish I could be there to check them out!!

This will be my first pair of Salks.  I haven't even picked a finish yet.  I hope I'm not crazy for buying a speaker that hadn't even been heard by the owner of the company when I bought it.  What can I say, I really trusted Jim and Salk Signature Sound.  Jim spent a lot of time answering all of my questions and he obviously knows his stuff and has a passion for his business.  I was comfortable making the decision after talking to him......and a few follow up emails  :)

I'm still comfortable that I made the right decision.  I'm just anxious to see and hear those beauties now......the wait might kill me.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: ArthurDent on 20 Apr 2017, 05:00 am
Never fear misterdude, you tread the path of many before. AC has many such threads of those who felt the same, and all appear to have survived smiling. First step is to choose a finish, Good Luck with that, he has so many, and what he doesn't have he can match. So try to relax, the wait will be worth it I'm sure. You can check all the threads in Salk's circle to verify the survival rate if you feel the need.  :wink:  If it wasn't better than good Jim & his crew wouldn't build it.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Big Red Machine on 20 Apr 2017, 10:54 am
Oh man, I never buy speakers before I hear them!    Sounds like a rookie mistake. :stupid:


Ha. Nothing to fear except we'll tell you how they really sound tomorrow! :o


Is your nervosa getting worse? I'm stoking the fire.....


 :tempted:


Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: saygrr on 20 Apr 2017, 12:35 pm
Looking forward to reading comments from show goers on this speaker.

Where do live mixsterdude?

Thanks
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: hearditontheX on 20 Apr 2017, 12:42 pm
Congrats on the purchase!

I'm in a similar boat with my Song3-A's. The wait will be excruciating.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: saygrr on 20 Apr 2017, 02:03 pm
On the Salk web sight the Encore has Satori 9.5 inch woofer, Eton midrange. Who does Salk get the Beryllium tweeter from?

Unable to make it to AXPONA this year. if I make it to RMAF hopefully I can listen to them there or AXPONA next year. 

Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 20 Apr 2017, 04:15 pm
Never fear misterdude, you tread the path of many before. AC has many such threads of those who felt the same, and all appear to have survived smiling. First step is to choose a finish, Good Luck with that, he has so many, and what he doesn't have he can match. So try to relax, the wait will be worth it I'm sure. You can check all the threads in Salk's circle to verify the survival rate if you feel the need.  :wink:  If it wasn't better than good Jim & his crew wouldn't build it.  :thumb:

I'm going to drive myself crazy trying to pick a finish!!  Your last sentence really summarizes why I decided to go with Salk in the end.

Oh man, I never buy speakers before I hear them!    Sounds like a rookie mistake. :stupid:


Ha. Nothing to fear except we'll tell you how they really sound tomorrow! :o


Is your nervosa getting worse? I'm stoking the fire.....


 :tempted:

LOL!!!  Please let me know what you think after hearing them this weekend.  I'm jealous that I'm not going to make that show.  I'm planning on going to the LA Audio Show but it doesn't look like Salk Signature Sound will be there.

Congrats on the purchase!

I'm in a similar boat with my Song3-A's. The wait will be excruciating.

Thank you.  Congrats on your purchase as well!!

Looking forward to reading comments from show goers on this speaker.

Where do live mixsterdude?

Thanks

I'm really looking forward to the feedback from the show as well.  I live in Phoenix, AZ.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: saygrr on 20 Apr 2017, 08:07 pm
Rats I'm in wi. I be looking forward to reading your comments. I'm thinking they will be unbeatable at that price point. What have for amps and source?
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 20 Apr 2017, 09:56 pm
I have the peachtree nova150 integrated amp/dac.  The source is a work in progress.  I'm planning on buying a uturn turntable eventually.  I may get Jim's streamer....but I've also considered "rollin my own".  Right now, it's laptop usb into the peachtree.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: DEP14 on 21 Apr 2017, 02:16 am
Looking forward to the reviews.  I wanted to get to Chicago tomorrow, but it's looking highly doubtful. 
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: johzel on 21 Apr 2017, 04:25 am
Who does Salk get the Beryllium tweeter from?


Transducer Lab I do believe.  I need to give you call for an audition if you're still interested. 
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: saygrr on 21 Apr 2017, 11:39 am
Yes I'm very interested. Where I work is 24/7. I get 2 to 3 days off a week and every other week end. Hopefully we can work out a day.
Should I bring LPs and CDs? Man your speakers are nice looking. Looking forward to seeing them just as much as hearing them.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: johzel on 21 Apr 2017, 02:35 pm
Yes I'm very interested. Where I work is 24/7. I get 2 to 3 days off a week and every other week end. Hopefully we can work out a day.
Should I bring LPs and CDs? Man your speakers are nice looking. Looking forward to seeing them just as much as hearing them.

Will discuss when I call.  I always invite people (not that it occurs often) to bring their own music, electronics (if reasonable) etc.  so that they get a feel for the speakers with what they already know so well.  But I think you'll also be impressed by the Exogal Comet and Ion combo.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: johzel on 21 Apr 2017, 02:47 pm
I hope I'm not crazy for buying a speaker that hadn't even been heard by the owner of the company when I bought it.  What can I say, I really trusted Jim and Salk Signature Sound.  Jim spent a lot of time answering all of my questions and he obviously knows his stuff and has a passion for his business.  I was comfortable making the decision after talking to him......and a few follow up emails  :)

I'm still comfortable that I made the right decision.  I'm just anxious to see and hear those beauties now......the wait might kill me.

Congratulations on your decision.  I have purchased two pairs of Salk speakers under similar circumstances and am absolutely happy that I did.   :thumb:  As you know, you can track the progress of your speakers on the Salk Sound webpage.  Don't go there too often . . . no more than the 20 or 30 times per day I spent checking!!  :duh:
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: TWINSKI66 on 21 Apr 2017, 04:34 pm
I ordered a pair as well.  Jim explained the S3E offers about 7hz lower in bass extension vs. the other S3 models (but otherwise is similar).  I imagine the upgraded mid will provide 'more' detail in contrast.  The cabinet dimensions are obviously different (specs indicate 2.5" deeper & 2" wider & 2" shorter than the S3, S3A, S3AT model).  There are some YT vids of the entry level S3s @ https://youtu.be/sELMuXF4OvI.  I realize you really can't draw any conclusions without hearing a speaker in your home...but Salk makes a very good product at a reasonable price.  The custom crafted cabinet work alone exceeds what can be had comparatively speaking.

I've had the WOW1 (exchanged them for the Salk Silk monitor). I loved the Salk Silk monitors...just decided to go with a tower (personal consideration & preference).    I sold the Silk monitors to purchase the S3E (very easy to do btw---so that's another indicator of a great product).  Beyond the excellent & meticulous build...the Salk brand sounds amazing...neutral yet lively.  IMHO as close to live music as you'll get from a speaker.  I also love the fact that Salks don't add or subtract anything from the recording.  It's just as advertised (neutral). 

I'm sure there are 'better' speakers but I'm convinced that 'difference' heard would likely be negligible or simply preferable to another listener.  The S3s have received very favorable responses so I trust they'll deliver.  Jim doesn't strike me as someone that would release any speaker design if it wasn't good to go.  He's seems restless when it comes to quality (whole team...Dennis Murphy).

Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Big Red Machine on 21 Apr 2017, 06:13 pm
These are very good. Dig deep and the midrange plays way better than its size suggests.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 21 Apr 2017, 07:23 pm
Congratulations on your decision.  I have purchased two pairs of Salk speakers under similar circumstances and am absolutely happy that I did.   :thumb:  As you know, you can track the progress of your speakers on the Salk Sound webpage.  Don't go there too often . . . no more than the 20 or 30 times per day I spent checking!!  :duh:

Hey johzel, thank you for you words of encouragement.  I "lurked" for a while on these boards before choosing to pull the trigger.  In my browsing, I noticed that you had purchased Song 3s (with the AT mid if I'm not mistaken?).  How long have you had them now?  I haven't seen any pictures of your speakers.  Do you have a link?

Oh, and yes I've visited the project progress site MANY times the past two weeks.

I ordered a pair as well.....

It looks like we are both going to be anxiously waiting?  :)  Thank you for your words of support.  I'm so fired up!!!

These are very good. Dig deep and the midrange plays way better than its size suggests.

Big Red!!  Did you hear the Song 3 Encore at AXPONA today??????
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: bahorn1 on 21 Apr 2017, 08:55 pm
I think the S3E sound fantastic!  The only reason I went to Axpona was to hear the S3-A and the S3E.

I currently have Songtowers and HT3s.  I need to downsize and will need a narrow set of speakers.  I may stick with the Songtowers.  But I'm tempted to get the S3 or S3-A.  Listening to the S3E certainly has me thinking about them though.

BRM, sorry I didn't get to meet you.  After you and your wife walked out of the State room this morning, I asked Mary if that was you since you are a big guy.  And Mary confirmed.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: johzel on 21 Apr 2017, 09:55 pm
Hey johzel, thank you for you words of encouragement.  I "lurked" for a while on these boards before choosing to pull the trigger.  In my browsing, I noticed that you had purchased Song 3s (with the AT mid if I'm not mistaken?).  How long have you had them now?  I haven't seen any pictures of your speakers.

Hi.  I've had my "version" of the Song3's since about Xmas.  They do use the AT mids and the beryllium tweeters.  Here's a picture:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160212)
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 21 Apr 2017, 10:13 pm
I think the S3E sound fantastic!  The only reason I went to Axpona was to hear the S3-A and the S3E.

I currently have Songtowers and HT3s.  I need to downsize and will need a narrow set of speakers.  I may stick with the Songtowers.  But I'm tempted to get the S3 or S3-A.  Listening to the S3E certainly has me thinking about them though.

BRM, sorry I didn't get to meet you.  After you and your wife walked out of the State room this morning, I asked Mary if that was you since you are a big guy.  And Mary confirmed.

Thanks so much for the feedback!!  I'm smiling over here  :D
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 21 Apr 2017, 10:16 pm
Hi.  I've had my "version" of the Song3's since about Xmas.  They do use the AT mids and the beryllium tweeters.  Here a picture:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160212)

Oh my!!!  Those are gorgeous!!  I forgot that you got the beryllium tweeters.  I'm curious, what steered you towards the AT mid?  Is it warmer, more revealing,...?
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: johzel on 21 Apr 2017, 10:38 pm
Oh my!!!  Those are gorgeous!!  I forgot that you got the beryllium tweeters.  I'm curious, what steered you towards the AT mid?  Is it warmer, more revealing,...?

Correct. I was looking for speakers that would feature a warm detailed midrange.  I ran across this description from Jim referring to these AT drivers: 
"These Audio Technology drivers are among the nicest sounding mid-woofers being made today.  They are warm and engaging and the resulting sound is excellent."
I originally used them in a pair of Silks and liked them so much I asked to use them in the Song3's - and Jim made it happen.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 21 Apr 2017, 11:42 pm
Very nice!!  I'm looking forward to hearing how these Eton mids sound!!
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Big Red Machine on 22 Apr 2017, 12:16 am
Yes. Heard them. Very good.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: jackmonster on 22 Apr 2017, 01:43 am
Just heard these at Axpona today with the Eton midrange driver.  Oh My!  Jim hit it out of the park again
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Big Red Machine on 22 Apr 2017, 01:02 pm
I think the S3E sound fantastic!  The only reason I went to Axpona was to hear the S3-A and the S3E.

BRM, sorry I didn't get to meet you.  After you and your wife walked out of the State room this morning, I asked Mary if that was you since you are a big guy.  And Mary confirmed.

You should have chased me down!

And now you can confirm my rugged handsomeness!!
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 23 Apr 2017, 05:39 pm
I'm curious, for those of you that heard them at the show, how is the mid of the Song3 Accuton vs the mid of the Song3 Encore?
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: csmgolf on 24 Apr 2017, 04:02 pm
It is very difficult to compare the two. Completely different rooms with different electronics. Both performed well, but my preference based on inexact comparison would be the encores. They were outstanding, very open with great detail, but also excellent tone and imaging. I did not get to hear them compared to the Exoticas, which would have been an interesting comparison. I have heard many Salk speakers at multiple shows. Of all that I have heard, within my price range, the Encore would be at the top of the list.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Big Red Machine on 24 Apr 2017, 04:58 pm
I have the opposite opinion. Just my opinion. I much preferred the Accuton midrange over the Eton midrange. I would take the 3A any day over the Encore. The larger room may have given the impression of a wider more open soundstage. For me, having spent considerable time in both, I suggested a few things to Jim about the Eton midrange that he is going to look at crossover-wise.

Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: bahorn1 on 24 Apr 2017, 08:03 pm
I have the opposite opinion. Just my opinion. I much preferred the Accuton midrange over the Eton midrange. I would take the 3A any day over the Encore. The larger room may have given the impression of a wider more open soundstage. For me, having spent considerable time in both, I suggested a few things to Jim about the Eton midrange that he is going to look at crossover-wise.

Hmmm.  I much preferred the sound in the Encores room than the S3-A room.  However, the Encores were in a much larger room and had better components.  So it was harder for me to assess the Eton midrange vs. the Accuton midrange.  One thing I did note was that voices were more veiled in the S3-A room than the Encores room.

I'm tempted to get a version of the Song 3 but not sure which one.  The Encores are a little big for where I'd be putting them.  I'm already thinking I need to sell my HT3s due to an upcoming move and the HT3s are too big.  The size of the S3/S3-A works better.  I was thinking of asking Jim if he could do a version of the Encores with the 7.5 inch Satori woofer.  Based on your opinion, which I respect since you have much more experience listening across the Salk line, I'd probably be happy with the S3-A or S3 BEATS.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: johzel on 24 Apr 2017, 08:07 pm
I have the opposite opinion. Just my opinion. I much preferred the Accuton midrange over the Eton midrange. I would take the 3A any day over the Encore. The larger room may have given the impression of a wider more open soundstage. For me, having spent considerable time in both, I suggested a few things to Jim about the Eton midrange that he is going to look at crossover-wise.

Would love to compare both with the version of the Song3's I own (BEATs) that used the Audio Technology midrange.  We may have to have a Song3 shootout!!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Big Red Machine on 24 Apr 2017, 08:14 pm
Limiting factor was the dac imo. It was not allowing the speakers to do their best.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 25 Apr 2017, 12:11 am
Limiting factor was the dac imo. It was not allowing the speakers to do their best.

What dac was that?
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: jackmonster on 25 Apr 2017, 12:43 am
I heard both rooms at Axpona.  You really can't compare the two.  The Encores had much better electronics.  $15,000 Wells integrated amp and Exogal Dac and power supply.  The Song 3 Sa's had very inexpensive Schitt products to power them.  No comparison at all. The Encores were simply outstanding.  I much as I like the Exotica 3's, I think I got more emotionally attached to the Encores.  I'm seriously thinking of buying them.  I heard the Song 3's(regular ones) last year at Axpona with a less expensive Wells integrated.  Really, really good.  I knew Jim would sell a bunch of them ; especially at that prize.  I'm not here to bash anyone, but the Schitt products were not really good with the Song 3 -SA's.  A gentleman next to me commented that they sounded "thin".  I agree.  Again; it was Friday and maybe equipment was not broken in.
I know the Song 3- Sa's are good- they just didn't put their best foot forward when I was listening.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Big Red Machine on 25 Apr 2017, 12:45 am
Bifrost in room 408. The Exogal dac in the lower level was very good. But they were two different price point rooms on purpose.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: DMurphy on 25 Apr 2017, 02:33 am
I have the opposite opinion. Just my opinion. I much preferred the Accuton midrange over the Eton midrange. I would take the 3A any day over the Encore. The larger room may have given the impression of a wider more open soundstage. For me, having spent considerable time in both, I suggested a few things to Jim about the Eton midrange that he is going to look at crossover-wise.

I'll jump in here since I did the crossover for both and could listen to them in the same room with the same electronics and program material.  Under those circumstances, they sounded very similar. I may have had a small preference for the Eton, but they're both superb midranges.   The main difference was in bass extension.  At the show, I much preferred the Encores.  I don't usually think electronics make much difference, but I think they did in this case.  "Thin" was also the adjective that came to my mind when I listened in room 408.  I think you're in in the minority on this one BRM.  And Jim--don't you dare change the crossover.   I'll run off with Mary if you do. 
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Bubba12 on 25 Apr 2017, 02:42 am
I went to Axpona and rest assured the Encore was soooooo good. I own the Song3 which are awesome in my smallish room. The Encore is fantastic though and you will be happy as Hell.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: LesterSleepsIn on 26 Apr 2017, 12:47 am
I went to Axpona and rest assured the Encore was soooooo good. I own the Song3 which are awesome in my smallish room. The Encore is fantastic though and you will be happy as Hell.

Nice photo of the Encores here:
http://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/axpona-2017-salk-signature-sound-wells-audio-exogal-gingko-audio-danacable.1496/
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mresseguie on 26 Apr 2017, 12:58 am
It appears there was a typo on pricing for the Encores. In the link above, the Encore is listed as $3895.

I'll take two pairs at that price - one for Taiwan and one for domestic consumption.  8)
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Big Red Machine on 26 Apr 2017, 11:04 am
What dac was that?
Bifrost
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: dB Cooper on 26 Apr 2017, 01:16 pm
If the wait does kill you, would you consider leaving the speakers to me in your will?
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: LesterSleepsIn on 26 Apr 2017, 03:58 pm
If the wait does kill you, would you consider leaving the speakers to me in your will?

Back off Cooper! I'm his adopted son, aren't I, Daddy.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: jsalk on 26 Apr 2017, 06:41 pm
You really can't compare the two.  The Encores had much better electronics.  $15,000 Wells integrated amp and Exogal Dac and power supply.

Actually, the Encores were being driven by the $3500 Wells Majestic integrated.  The Exotica 3's were driven by the larger Wells amp.

- Jim
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: DMurphy on 27 Apr 2017, 01:04 am
Jim--what's the power rating for the Wells integrated?
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 27 Apr 2017, 06:42 am
If the wait does kill you, would you consider leaving the speakers to me in your will?

Back off Cooper! I'm his adopted son, aren't I, Daddy.

LOL!!  I hope my wife lets me keep them.  I told her they were bookshelf speakers  :)
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mresseguie on 27 Apr 2017, 07:05 am
Jim--what's the power rating for the Wells integrated?

Ask and ye shall receive....

TECHNICAL SPECS                                                         

150 wpc at 8 ohms                                                                                 
Signal-to-Noise Ratio: -103 db, reference level full power output
Total Harmonic Distortion (THD): <0.02% at 1kHz, at100 W, 8 Ohms               
<0.05% at 20kHz, at 100W, 8 Ohms
Gain 30 db
Input Impedance: 50k Ohms
Damping factor: 200, reference 8 Ohms nominal
Power Consumption: 120 Watts idle, 350 Watts maximum
Inputs: 4 pair RCA unbalanced 1 pair XLRs unbalanced
Outputs: 1 pair 5-way binding posts per channel
Operating Voltage: 120V,  230V,  at 50 or 60 Hz
Dimensions: 17 in. W X 5 in. H X 16.5 in. D
Shipping weight 35 pounds
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: TWINSKI66 on 22 May 2017, 10:50 pm
I have some production on my S3E order (23%).  The cabinets are glued up.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 23 May 2017, 05:16 am
I have some production on my S3E order (23%).  The cabinets are glued up.


Sounds like ours are being built side by side.  Mine are at the same step in production.  What veneer did you choose?
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: TWINSKI66 on 23 May 2017, 06:25 pm
I chose curly walnut veneer with dark walnut dye & satin finish (retro look)
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 23 May 2017, 10:18 pm
I chose curly walnut veneer with dark walnut dye & satin finish (retro look)

That will look beautiful!!
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: TWINSKI66 on 23 May 2017, 11:06 pm
Did you settle on a finish?
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 31 May 2017, 05:00 am
Did you settle on a finish?

I'm sorry for the delay, I didn't realize you had asked that question.  Yes, I decided to go with the Pau Ferro Rosewood.  I really agonized over the decision but I kept coming back to the rosewood.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: abd1 on 31 May 2017, 03:10 pm
that's probably my favorite veneer as well. Can't wait to see  how they turn out. I'm hoping to be able to purchase a pair in the same veneer next year.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 31 May 2017, 03:43 pm
There are so many beautiful veneers!!  Now I gotta get busy building my media cabinet.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: TWINSKI66 on 31 May 2017, 04:45 pm
Gorgeous veneer pick!  Good luck on the media cabinet.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: abd1 on 31 May 2017, 04:46 pm
I wonder if Jim could build the speaker so they could have 2 grill options. One as a full length grill that's already included and then another that only covers the bass driver. That way you can see the RAAL, midrange and wonderful veneer more but protect and cover the lower bass driver. Could both be done on the same speaker? Something like a round cover similar to what's on the SS8's on their sides.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: hearditontheX on 31 May 2017, 05:14 pm
I wonder if Jim could build the speaker so they could have 2 grill options. One as a full length grill that's already included and then another that only covers the bass driver. That way you can see the RAAL, midrange and wonderful veneer more but protect and cover the lower bass driver. Could both be done on the same speaker? Something like a round cover similar to what's on the SS8's on their sides.
I suspect all you need to do is ask Jim!
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: jsalk on 31 May 2017, 05:23 pm
I wonder if Jim could build the speaker so they could have 2 grill options. One as a full length grill that's already included and then another that only covers the bass driver. That way you can see the RAAL, midrange and wonderful veneer more but protect and cover the lower bass driver. Could both be done on the same speaker? Something like a round cover similar to what's on the SS8's on their sides.

It certainly could.  However, it would be a "custom" project as we would have to design the second grill and install magnets for them (there are only two magnets under the woofer, so more magnets would be required).  With the extra magnets, grills and engineering, it would be about $120.

- Jim
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: abd1 on 1 Jun 2017, 02:36 am
Thanks! That's good to know and well worth $120 in my opinion so one could see more of the beautiful cabinet work and finish.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Grbluen on 10 Jun 2017, 08:05 pm
@TWINSKI66
No updates?
Curious minds want to know. I think I'm more impatient than you are!
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 10 Jun 2017, 11:48 pm
@TWINSKI66
No updates?
Curious minds want to know. I think I'm more impatient than you are!

No update on my end.  My project is still at 23% (cabinets glued up).  Maybe TWINSKI66's speakers have had some action.  I think he was in the queue before me.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Paret on 11 Jun 2017, 03:27 am
Patience young padawan.

 :duh:
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 11 Jun 2017, 03:10 pm
Patience young padawan.

 :duh:

lol....I'm checking just about every day, but I'm being patient.  Jim said that he might still tweak the Encore a bit to get it to where he wanted it.  I told him to take his time and not worry about me.  :)
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: TWINSKI66 on 12 Jun 2017, 06:08 pm
There has been no posted production beyond the cabinets being glued up.  I'm ok with production delays if it means getting things right the first time.  I'm not overly anxious...since making the decision to purchase....currently using what I have at home (headsets & portable desk top speakers).
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Audiophiletogo on 2 Aug 2017, 08:48 pm
Have you received your Salk Encore Speakers?
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 4 Aug 2017, 05:20 am
Have you received your Salk Encore Speakers?

I have not received them yet.  My Encores are at 58% (3rd Sealer Coat has been applied).  I imagine it's not going to be long now  :)
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: TWINSKI66 on 8 Aug 2017, 12:10 pm
My order's at 46%...onward! :D
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: goskers on 8 Aug 2017, 01:49 pm
With the quoted percentage complete numbers being thrown around I am assuming that there is either a website or automated email update tied into the production reporting at Salk.  If this is correct in some way then I commend Jim for implementing this.  It shows a level of professionalism I have not seen in the lower volume world of hi-fi.  The immediate update and gratification provided to the customer should not be understated.  The amount of hands on time necessary to provide customers with feedback is also greatly reduced.  If I am reading into this incorrectly then I apologize.  If I am correct then I say bravo.  Others should take notice and follow suit.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: srb on 8 Aug 2017, 02:15 pm
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166589)

http://www.salksound.com/tracking.php
 
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 11 Aug 2017, 10:06 pm
69%!!!!   Almost there!!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166765)
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: TWINSKI66 on 16 Aug 2017, 02:55 am
Awesome.  I'm not too far behind you @ 52% (2nd sealer coat applied).
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Gopher on 16 Aug 2017, 02:35 pm
69%!!!!   Almost there!!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166765)

This is an incredible system, Jim.  I absolutely love the progress tracking idea!
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: jsalk on 22 Aug 2017, 07:31 pm
These don't happen to be what you're waiting for, are they?

(http://salksound.com/gallery/Song3 Encore/s3e-rosewood.jpg)

- Jim
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Paret on 22 Aug 2017, 08:36 pm
These don't happen to be what you're waiting for, are they?

(http://salksound.com/gallery/Song3 Encore/s3e-rosewood.jpg)

- Jim

Gorgeous.

What is that finish?

 :thumb:

Luis D. Paret
Keller, TX
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: jsalk on 22 Aug 2017, 08:55 pm
Gorgeous.

What is that finish?

 :thumb:

That is Pau Ferro rosewood.

- Jim

Luis D. Paret
Keller, TX
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 23 Aug 2017, 01:34 am
Oh man, those are GORGEOUS!!!!  I'm thrilled!!!

Jim, it's funny, I just sent you an email letting you know that I paid the final invoice and asking if you happened to take any pictures before packing them  :)
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mresseguie on 23 Aug 2017, 03:31 am
Dude,

Unless someone else in your community has a pair of Jim's speakers, you've got the bragging rights nailed!!

Oh, and they might sound nice, too.

Congrats!
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 23 Aug 2017, 04:06 am
Dude,

Unless someone else in your community has a pair of Jim's speakers, you've got the bragging rights nailed!!

Oh, and they might sound nice, too.

Congrats!

LOL!!  No doubt.  I'm sure there are people in the Phoenix area that have Salks but I haven't met any yet.  I can't wait to hear them!!  I have a few days to pick out that first song/album  :)
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: TWINSKI66 on 23 Aug 2017, 12:52 pm
That finish...one word...wow!  Jim & his team not only make awesome sounding speakers...as a side bonus you get to truly own a great piece of 'fun'iture art.  I'm at 58% on the S3Es in the standard curly walnut/dark walnut finish.  But this post isn't about me...thanks for sharing your 'the wait might kill me' journey...enjoy listening to the music man!
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 23 Aug 2017, 02:54 pm
That finish...one word...wow!  Jim & his team not only make awesome sounding speakers...as a side bonus you get to truly own a great piece of funiture art.  I'm at 58% on the S3Es in the standard curly walnut/dark walnut finish.  But this post isn't about me...thanks for sharing your 'the wait might kill me' journey...enjoy listening to the music man!

Thanks buddy!!  I might have to fake a groin pull and take the day off when they are scheduled to arrive.  I work from home so the delivery part's not a problem.  There should be a FMLA clause for this like paternal leave  :)

Don't worry, I'm not a "thread dictator".  I've enjoyed hearing about your project progress as well.  I'm looking forward to seeing your walnut beauties.  I'm building a stereo cabinet out of walnut.  The wood is gorgeous but my building skills leave some to be desired.  At 58%, your wait will be rewarded soon.

Mickey
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: TWINSKI66 on 28 Aug 2017, 06:30 pm
I told my boss don't look for me on delivery day.  He's an audio guy too so...he understands.  I may take a week of vacation after delivery.  I mean...how productive can a guy be at work with a brand new pair of Salk speakers sitting idle at home?
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 29 Aug 2017, 01:21 am
I told I told my boss don't look for me on delivery day.  He's an audio guy too so...he understands.  I may take a week of vacation after delivery.  I mean...how productive can a guy be at work with a brand new pair of Salk speakers sitting idle at home?

LOL!!  Delivery is scheduled for Wednesday!!  I work from home, so I anticipate sneaking in the living room for a listen from time to time.  We'll call it a smoke break  :)
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Grbluen on 29 Aug 2017, 04:54 pm
LOL! Yeah I'm guessing you'll be taking breaks from listening to work!
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: sabciu on 30 Aug 2017, 09:13 pm
This is an incredible system, Jim.  I absolutely love the progress tracking idea!

Ahh Yes!! I remember this waiting game with mine (below)! The good news is you're likely to be Blown Away by not just the Finish Quality, but the performance as well!! :thumb:

Get Ready to spend some late nights with Sonic Nirvana!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=167774)



Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 31 Aug 2017, 05:25 am
Ahh Yes!! I remember this waiting game with mine (below)! The good news is you're likely to be Blown Away by not just the Finish Quality, but the performance as well!! :thumb:

Get Ready to spend some late nights with Sonic Nirvana!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=167774)

Wow, wow!!!  I love that pepperwood burl!!

The freight company called me this morning to let me know that the truck hadn't arrived yet and they would have to push the delivery back another day.  I'm looking forward to tomorrow to hear this Sonic Nirvana first hand (or ear)   :)
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: sabciu on 31 Aug 2017, 02:39 pm
Wow, wow!!!  I love that pepperwood burl!!

The freight company called me this morning to let me know that the truck hadn't arrived yet and they would have to push the delivery back another day.  I'm looking forward to tomorrow to hear this Sonic Nirvana first hand (or ear)   :)

BUMMER!! Well now's the time to get ALL your errands finished ahead of time, including your honey-Do List if you have one! That way you'll reduce the chance of any interruption when you do get them! :thumb:
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: NavyDoc on 31 Aug 2017, 03:28 pm
Ahh Yes!! I remember this waiting game with mine (below)! The good news is you're likely to be Blown Away by not just the Finish Quality, but the performance as well!! :thumb:

Get Ready to spend some late nights with Sonic Nirvana!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=167774)

 :thumb: Stunning, absolutely stunning!
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: sabciu on 31 Aug 2017, 07:00 pm
:thumb: Stunning, absolutely stunning!

Thanks NavyDoc! I've had them for a while now and still adore them every day that I see and hear them! I am actually having Jim build me up a pair of cabinets for a set of Full Range drivers that I will be putting into another room. His work is absolutely impeccable, so it was an easy decision!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 2 Sep 2017, 06:31 pm
Well, I just wanted to report back after spending a little time with these new Encores.  I'm not an audiophile writer so I'll keep it in simple layman's terms.  These speakers sound better than they look and the looks raise the bar high.  The highs are crisp but not fatiguing.  The lows are nice and tight when they should be.  I was a bit surprised how low they get.  Looking at the midrange drivers, they are so compact that I'd think that they gave me two tweeters but the midrange and midbass is outstanding.  Overall, the music feels so present.....especially sounds like the kick drum where you hear the pad actually strike the drum before the remainder of sound reaches you (if that makes any sense).  The detail in these are unlike any speakers that I've owned....or even auditioned.  I can't remember the song, but the percussionist was striking a wooden block and I heard the same type of detail as I did with the kick.  The detail was so amazing that I could almost tell what species of wood was used in the block.....and the stick!!

Jim and his crew are top notch.  The shipping company "dented" one of the boxes near the top....near the Be tweeter!!!  However, Salk does such a great job in making sure these boxes have plenty of cushion around the speakers that the shippers would have to try to damage them on purpose. 

I'm thrilled and it was totally worth the wait!!!  I think I waited about 4 months when all was said and done.  However, when I ordered these, he had not even completed and tested his first pair that he took to Chicago.  So, my wait was probably a little longer than most.....plus it took me at least 2 weeks to figure out what finish I wanted.  Regardless, the wait was worth it!!!!!

Jim and team, thank you so much for an outstanding loudspeaker.  I couldn't be happier!!

Mickey
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Paret on 2 Sep 2017, 07:21 pm
Awesome review Mickey. Jedi Master reviewer. Patience paid off.  :thumb:

Enjoy them.

 :beer:

Luis D. Paret
Keller, TX
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: sabciu on 2 Sep 2017, 07:24 pm
Well, I just wanted to report back after spending a little time with these new Encores.  I'm not an audiophile writer so I'll keep it in simple layman's terms.  These speakers sound better than they look and the looks raise the bar high.  The highs are crisp but not fatiguing.  The lows are nice and tight when they should be.  I was a bit surprised how low they get.  Looking at the midrange drivers, they are so compact that I'd think that they gave me two tweeters but the midrange and midbass is outstanding.  Overall, the music feels so present.....especially sounds like the kick drum where you hear the pad actually strike the drum before the remainder of sound reaches you (if that makes any sense).  The detail in these are unlike any speakers that I've owned....or even auditioned.  I can't remember the song, but the percussionist was striking a wooden block and I heard the same type of detail as I did with the kick.  The detail was so amazing that I could almost tell what species of wood was used in the block.....and the stick!!

Jim and his crew are top notch.  The shipping company "dented" one of the boxes near the top....near the Be tweeter!!!  However, Salk does such a great job in making sure these boxes have plenty of cushion around the speakers that the shippers would have to try to damage them on purpose. 

I'm thrilled and it was totally worth the wait!!!  I think I waited about 4 months when all was said and done.  However, when I ordered these, he had not even completed and tested his first pair that he took to Chicago.  So, my wait was probably a little longer than most.....plus it took me at least 2 weeks to figure out what finish I wanted.  Regardless, the wait was worth it!!!!!

Jim and team, thank you so much for an outstanding loudspeaker.  I couldn't be happier!!

Mickey

WELCOME TO THE SALK FAMILY!!!  :D what are you powering these with I wonder??
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 4 Sep 2017, 06:29 am
Awesome review Mickey. Jedi Master reviewer. Patience paid off.  :thumb:

Enjoy them.

 :beer:

Luis D. Paret
Keller, TX

Thank you Luis!!  I appreciate your comments.  Now it's time to start your thread and tell us about your journey, brother.  It looks like you have some speakers in the queue, correct? :)
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 4 Sep 2017, 06:33 am
WELCOME TO THE SALK FAMILY!!!  :D what are you powering these with I wonder??

Thank you!!  It's great to be part of the crew :). I'm using a Peachtree Nova 150.  It's a great little amp/dac combo.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: TWINSKI66 on 28 Sep 2017, 07:59 pm
Quick update...looks like my S3E order may ship tomorrow.  Jim took pics.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=169133)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=169134)


Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: abd1 on 28 Sep 2017, 10:06 pm
Gorgeous! What's the finish?
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: JDoyle on 29 Sep 2017, 12:20 am
Curly Walnut? Any dye added? Details please, they look fantastic!

JD
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Paret on 29 Sep 2017, 03:08 am
Thank you Luis!!  I appreciate your comments.  Now it's time to start your thread and tell us about your journey, brother.  It looks like you have some speakers in the queue, correct? :)

Getting there. 58%

 :thumb:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=169141)
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: TWINSKI66 on 29 Sep 2017, 04:05 am
Some members asked about the finish.  It's standard curly walnut with dark walnut dye in a satin finish.  I love the retro look.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=169143)
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Grbluen on 29 Sep 2017, 09:53 am
Classy!
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Nick77 on 29 Sep 2017, 11:55 am
Stunning!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: TWINSKI66 on 4 Oct 2017, 01:23 am
Day one listening:  I set my S3Es up around noon today and haven't stopped listening (it’s now 8pm).  Man...what a treat.  I don’t know that I can accurately describe the sound signature of these.  But ‘hear’ goes.  To my ears they don’t have one...& that’s a VERY good thing...neutral (flat response) seems to be Salks magic show.  You simply hear all of the music (timbre) in a recording being casted into a space in an unbelievable way.

For those seeking a 3 way tower I would strongly recommend these for 3 reasons:   

1) Efficiency.  They’ll do the whole low-volume & full soundstage thing, for late night listening, with ease.  You don’t have to crank them to hear the music.  I’m running Krell’s Digital Vanguard integrated amp.  I suspect any moderate amp will do.  And yes...they sound awesome being driven up in volume too!  Just simply not required.

2) Imaging.  These are not fussy about room placement.  They push the music into the room in a way that marvels the listener.  They put you centerstage from various seating positions.   

3) Overall design & beauty.  You’re rewarded with true craftsmanship...tweeter & 4” mid combo were well thought out along with the bass driver accompaniment down low.  The impeccable wood finish ties everything together making this one very solid speaker system.


Thanks to Jim & staff I can worry less about equipment & get back to listening to music.

Note:  The majority....if not all of my initial music selections were Tom Petty (& the Heartbreakers).  Not only to honor his legacy...but simply because of his great artistry.  Man...despite the state of the world...music gives me life & hope.

Happy listening to all.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Grbluen on 4 Oct 2017, 05:09 pm
@Twinski66,
I dont think there was any doubt that you'd love them!  I have the early Song 3s, and I  most love that I never get the urge to turn them off! Bedtime is a sad time!
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: JDoyle on 4 Oct 2017, 08:28 pm

1) Efficiency. ....You don’t have to crank them to hear the music.  I’m running Krell’s Digital Vanguard integrated amp.  I suspect any moderate amp will do.  And yes...they sound awesome being driven up in volume too!  Just simply not required.


This portion of your nicely written review has me really excited! I'm at the stage where I' don't always "crank it up" and probably 75- 80% of my listening is at moderate levels.

I have a few more months to wait fo my S3E's though...    :(

JD
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: birbygdad on 4 Oct 2017, 09:04 pm
Hey folks. I have a pair of Song3 on order. We are looking at before Thanksgiving. According to all I read here and elsewhere it's gonna be fun!
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Grbluen on 4 Oct 2017, 11:33 pm
@birbygdad,
What options, if any,  did you go with?
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: birbygdad on 5 Oct 2017, 03:58 am
I asked for the standard curly walnut with dark stain. Sort of like it you got super lucky with AR3as back in the day. Of course I fully expect the sound to be different and much better. It's been a fine experience with Salk. Takes time to get them but I have convinced myself that the combo of sound and craftsmanship and value makes the wait worthwhile. I didn't opt for any upgrades.in the beginning of this process i had tried to buy Dennis Murphy's Slim Towers. He sent me to Mr. Salk. Do any of you know the relationship those two have in terms of design and building?
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Jeff in the D on 5 Oct 2017, 12:27 pm
Not that you need it but I second your selection of the curly walnut with a dark stain.
That's the same combination as I selected for my SS8's, curly walnut with a dark walnut finish.
They look wonderful, elegant, yours will too.
Jeff
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: Paul K. on 5 Oct 2017, 02:12 pm
Dennis has designed the bulk of the crossovers in Salk Speakers, and Jim also manufactures some of the complete speaker designs that Dennis created for his Philharmonic Audio brand.  Other people, like Jeff Bagby, have done complete designs for Jim, and I did a number of TL cabinet designs, but not crossovers, for Jim's brand.
Paul

I didn't opt for any upgrades.in the beginning of this process i had tried to buy Dennis Murphy's Slim Towers. He sent me to Mr. Salk. Do any of you know the relationship those two have in terms of design and building?
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: DMurphy on 6 Oct 2017, 12:52 am
Just so there aren't any misunderstandings, I don't profit from any referrals I give for Salk speakers.  I just know the most about those speakers, since I have designed most of the crossovers.  I don't receive any royalties for the designs. 
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: birbygdad on 6 Oct 2017, 02:12 am
I certainly appreciate the heads up Mr. Murphy gave me about the Salk3. I'll show up here again when mine arrive with a report.
Title: Re: Song 3 Encore - the wait might kill me.
Post by: mixsterdude on 8 Oct 2017, 01:52 am
Day one listening:  I set my S3Es up around noon today and haven't stopped listening (it’s now 8pm).  Man...what a treat.  I don’t know that I can accurately describe the sound signature of these.  But ‘hear’ goes.  To my ears they don’t have one...& that’s a VERY good thing...neutral (flat response) seems to be Salks magic show.  You simply hear all of the music (timbre) in a recording being casted into a space in an unbelievable way.

For those seeking a 3 way tower I would strongly recommend these for 3 reasons:   

1) Efficiency.  They’ll do the whole low-volume & full soundstage thing, for late night listening, with ease.  You don’t have to crank them to hear the music.  I’m running Krell’s Digital Vanguard integrated amp.  I suspect any moderate amp will do.  And yes...they sound awesome being driven up in volume too!  Just simply not required.

2) Imaging.  These are not fussy about room placement.  They push the music into the room in a way that marvels the listener.  They put you centerstage from various seating positions.   

3) Overall design & beauty.  You’re rewarded with true craftsmanship...tweeter & 4” mid combo were well thought out along with the bass driver accompaniment down low.  The impeccable wood finish ties everything together making this one very solid speaker system.


Thanks to Jim & staff I can worry less about equipment & get back to listening to music.

Note:  The majority....if not all of my initial music selections were Tom Petty (& the Heartbreakers).  Not only to honor his legacy...but simply because of his great artistry.  Man...despite the state of the world...music gives me life & hope.

Happy listening to all.

Great review, Twinski and I agree with everything you said.  Your Song3E's are beautiful!!  I love walnut.  I really had a hard time deciding between walnut and the PF rosewood.  I ended up making my new media cabinet with walnut.  :D