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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Single Driver, Wide-Bandwidth Speakers => Topic started by: plakey on 4 Jan 2018, 11:07 pm
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I'd like to start a thread here on the Zu Omen mk2 (Dirty Weekend + Clarity Cap upgrade). I bought these wonderful speakers and I'm curious about amplifier matching. (I'm less interested in opinions on the speakers themselves... if you own them and love them, I'm curious what you run them with... if you don't like Zu speakers, this isn't the thread for you!)
I am encouraged to start this after reading the review of them by John Richardson... they started some back-and-forth on amp matching in the comments here but then it died off.
https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2017/07/29/mini-review-zu-audio-dirty-weekend-omen-version-ii/
In particular he runs them with Decware SE84UFO2 fronted by a LTA microZOTL2 preamp, or direct from a DAC.
I am currently running them with a vintage Luxman integrated that I've had refurbished and recapped, the L-450. I've also run them with a Line Magnetic 518ia. I prefer the Luxman in fact, but I'm still seeking to maximize the resolution on the speakers, retaining the "alive" sound while also coaxing soundstage holography and midrange magic.
Some amp thoughts I've curious about with the Zu: Eastern Electric minimax or M520; a First watt; someone here told me a Naim integrated sounded amazing; a chip amp (47 labs or Clones); Decware SE84UFO2 with and without a preamp; a solid state class A integrated
Any takers?
Cheers.
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I used to run my omen mk1 with PX24 monoblocks or 300B but I now use a Sony receiver STR6055 and the bass is better controlled. Valves are fine but bass control needs better damping you don't get with low output valves. I've always been a valve man and dismissed solid state until I tried the Sony. The phono stage is damn good too.
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I have no experience with Zu but have been using the Digital Amplifier Company Stereo Maraschino with my Charney Audio Maestro. Detail in spades, great tonal balance, imaging, sound stage, deep controlled bass, and exceptional mid-range. Well worth the try with a high eff speaker.
http://www.cherryamp.com/stereo-maraschino-stm
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?board=174
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I've got Zu Dirty Weekend's and a Line Magnetic 218ia. Superb dynamics, powerful controlled bass with good synergy on all fronts.
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I have Zu Omen original version, with upgraded caps and resistors.
I used it with Dared 2a3, then with Larry Moore 300b. As somebody mentioned before tubes have gorgeous midrange but have difficulty producing controlled bass.
At the moment I am running Zu with my custom Abacus TPA3116 - midrange comparable to that of 2a3 with much better bass.
Building TPA3250 and 3255 amps to see if improvements is SQ could be made.
I used tube amps for years, but went class D as the future lies there, in my opinion. Besides, here in the South the tube amplifier is inconvenient in the summer ;)
I use my own John Broskie's Aikido preamp as well as Aikido Phono preamp.
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I have no experience with Zu but have been using the Digital Amplifier Company Stereo Maraschino with my Charney Audio Maestro. Detail in spades, great tonal balance, imaging, sound stage, deep controlled bass, and exceptional mid-range. Well worth the try with a high eff speaker.
http://www.cherryamp.com/stereo-maraschino-stm
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?board=174
There are lots of Zu owners with Maraschino amplifiers! Thanks for your post.
-Tommy O
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Thanks guys for your input. I love hearing success stories. I think these speakers are pretty amazing, especially for the price. I'm enjoying them. I have never heard Class D or Chip Amps, I'm curious to give them a try!
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I have had a few different class D amps and the DAC (Digital Audio Company) amps have the most “real” sound of them all. Other amps had a slight grain to the high end and sounded thin. The DAC amps are very clean and clear up top with a very natural sounding (more meat on the bones) presentation. I was expecting to not like the DAC amp but now I’m a believer!
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?board=174
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A few things that I'm musing about trying out...
JOB 225 amp or JOB INT
Schiit Veda / Freya combo
Audio GD Precision3 amp
http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/amp/Precision3/Precision3EN.htm
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A few things that I'm musing about trying out...
JOB 225 amp or JOB INT
Schiit Veda / Freya combo
Audio GD Precision3 amp
http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/amp/Precision3/Precision3EN.htm
Have you heard of the MEGAschino? It's very new. Just released last week....
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=149935.0
-Tommy O
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Tommy, what do folks use as a preamp for your amps?
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Tommy, what do folks use as a preamp for your amps?
Check out these links....
Topic: Passive preamps
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=142870.0
Topic: Balanced output tube preamps
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=78819.0
Topic: P R E A M P S for DAC4800A and Cherry
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=79614.0
Topic: Preamps ---- Calling all DAC4800A and Cherry Amp owners !
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=103123.0
Thanks for your question.
-Tommy O
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Check out these links....
Topic: Passive preamps
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=142870.0
Topic: Balanced output tube preamps
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=78819.0
Topic: P R E A M P S for DAC4800A and Cherry
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=79614.0
Topic: Preamps ---- Calling all DAC4800A and Cherry Amp owners !
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=103123.0
Thanks for your question.
-Tommy O
A few more....
Topic: What pre amp do you use on the Cherry, Maraschino or Ultra power amps??
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=103123.0
Topic: dac cherry amp with musica bella lusso preamp
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=150695.0
Topic: Balanced Versus not Balanced
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=90960.0
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I have the Omen Mark II bookshelves.
I would second your interest in the Eastern Electric tube Integrated.
Also the small Cherry Amps sound like a good mating.
The guy running the Dirty Weekends with the MicrZotl and the Decware seems like overkill for a pair of $1000 speakers, but to each their own.
I run 40w push-pull DIY tubed monos with my Omens, sound great, even with an old Luxman SS receiver from the early 90s.
In my Ref system, I replaced my Dynaudio floor standing speakers with the Omen Bookshelves. With Bel Canto 3.7 DAC AND BEL CANTO Ref500s Class D amp, 400w into 4 ohms, 800w into 8 ohm. Of course my Omens are 12 or 16 ohm.
Results? Sounded good, but too much emphasis in the midrange. But my Ref DAC, amp above are not geared toward 12/16 ohm speakers.
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I have Zu Omen original version, with upgraded caps and resistors.
I used it with Dared 2a3, then with Larry Moore 300b. As somebody mentioned before tubes have gorgeous midrange but have difficulty producing controlled bass.
At the moment I am running Zu with my custom Abacus TPA3116 - midrange comparable to that of 2a3 with much better bass.
Building TPA3250 and 3255 amps to see if improvements is SQ could be made.
I used tube amps for years, but went class D as the future lies there, in my opinion. Besides, here in the South the tube amplifier is inconvenient in the summer ;)
I couldn't agree with you more. I own the DW's and am powering them with this $69 class D TPA3118
https://www.allo.com/sparky/volt-plus-stepped-attenuator.html
DO NOT discredit this amp because of it's $69 price tag. You will be blown away by it's performance.
I have owned everything from $1000 2channel integrated amps to the Decware SE84UFO. And the sound this little Class D amp makes is seriously impressive, I will put it up against a lot of other amps costing much, much more anytime.
I use my own John Broskie's Aikido preamp as well as Aikido Phono preamp.
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But my vote is for Class D. Try it out. I mean it's $69 to see what you think.
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Those chip amps are very excellent, I have owned several over the last 5-6 years. I could easily live with one if I had no other choice.. The DAC amps sounds like their bigger brother, more weigh, better clarity, more detail, and a bigger soundstage.
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A few things that I'm musing about trying out...
JOB 225 amp or JOB INT
Schiit Veda / Freya combo
Audio GD Precision3 amp
http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/amp/Precision3/Precision3EN.htm
The Audio-GD amp is very interesting, it caught me eye. It's certainly priced well for what the architecture is. Kingwa is known for his quality products. There is plenty of power to drive the DW's.
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Thanks for reviving the thread! I have been using my Omen Mk 2 with a Luxman vintage SS amp from the early 80s. It sounds AWESOME. I really am very happy with the combo. These are great speakers.
I have the Omen Mark II bookshelves.
I would second your interest in the Eastern Electric tube Integrated.
Also the small Cherry Amps sound like a good mating.
The guy running the Dirty Weekends with the MicrZotl and the Decware seems like overkill for a pair of $1000 speakers, but to each their own.
I run 40w push-pull DIY tubed monos with my Omens, sound great, even with an old Luxman SS receiver from the early 90s.
In my Ref system, I replaced my Dynaudio floor standing speakers with the Omen Bookshelves. With Bel Canto 3.7 DAC AND BEL CANTO Ref500s Class D amp, 400w into 4 ohms, 800w into 8 ohm. Of course my Omens are 12 or 16 ohm.
Results? Sounded good, but too much emphasis in the midrange. But my Ref DAC, amp above are not geared toward 12/16 ohm speakers.
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Thanks for reviving the thread! I have been using my Omen Mk 2 with a Luxman vintage SS amp from the early 80s. It sounds AWESOME. I really am very happy with the combo. These are great speakers.
Cool, I remember your posts from 6 months ago.
Glad you found something that works! Which Luxman model?
Now you just gotta get some tubes in there somewhere 💡 ....
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Luxman LX-450.. Had it recapped.
I’m thinking about a tube dac in the mix next. :D :D :)
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I no longer have my Omens but my Volt+D ( TPA3118 ) which sounds excellent with FRSD would be a good match.
Hope to have the Volt 3255 when it's released.
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I have them and run them with a PeachTree Audio integrated amp/DAC and they sound amazing! With the Clarity cap upgrade they are basically the much more expensive Omen MKII's at 2,300.00 . The only difference in the two is the Zu-B3 input, an engraved nameplate, some metal bracing ,and the internal wiring (which the Omen MKII uses their Mission MKII wiring). I don't need the Zu-B3 input, my standard nameplate is just fine,I haven't heard a squeak or rattle from the cabinets, and the internal wiring that is used seems just fine. I dont think these things justify the additional 1,200.00. I could not be happier with the DW's performance especially at the price I purchased them for and I have owned some pricey speakers in the past.
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FWIW, I've found the resistor mod Zu offers significantly bumps up system performance. (at least for me) The mod lowers the DW's nominal 12 ohm impedance, but more importantly, smooths the impedance curve giving your amp a friendlier look. Best $40 I've spent in recent memory. I use 2-25ohm resistors per side. Wonderful results with both my Latino ST70 and LM 218ia.
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That's good to hear Mick. I have those snubbers (25ohm and 10ohm) I believe sitting in the office. I'll give them a go hopefully soon.
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A few changes/upgrades as of late:
Plinius 8200 with Galbo Designs "Ultimate Mod" (currently serving as preamp), James Burgess custom monoblocks running in triode (2x6550, 1x12SN7, 1x5751), PeachTree Audio 65SE (serving as DAC), Modified AT1240 TT with AT33EV cartridge Cardas wiring straight to the Plinius phono stage, Otari MTR10-2 Reel to Reel, a PC music server running Fubar 2000 with over 10 terabytes of Hi-Rez files (DSD, DXD, Flac, and WAV), and a pair of Zu Audio Omen MKII loudspeakers. Room is 24x20x8
(https://previews.dropbox.com/p/thumb/AAbB7K51fy4Js_E-z6qgw8hTyNsTcWiFe3malaeKV9GROHDozNXYfc_XgYN_sc-jAhPFX6MMYQx0OUMbNnn8fLfWgv5DtF-__rVk3I8urV2qOXD6yifP9R6p2eNuTVMAMDPPovdXk0xsC5QtIkTwBgBm497tatBsPQ0YMLor-R2r3AVZJthy9WN1jM8e1UpDSudrpxiCqdaxwscHWG5fHqwmNKiZWD62gEhF341RHZhxZovc8p77Nyb9NsyE88z-TlX4NVrVd_GFvFIPurWMbiCzMT81bxf6WaMowBfjb1-dW55XFHEdGCBeM3bFx7gDzYH_qgqZU_-nf4LppPs5mnmT_OmslwCf0WTVAD5LAvAswQ/p.jpeg?size_mode=5)
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Pass XA25 or a First Watt J2 for lesser budget.
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Someone on the VPI owners forum referred me to this old thread when I mentioned I just received my new Zu Omen II DW speakers—and was playing them for a few hours with the hard plastic covers sealing the 10” drivers! I thought the muffled sound was just the speakers breaking in. I am using a new-to-me Line Magnetic 519IA 845-based integrated with the Zu’s and the sound is amazing! I previously had ProAc D15 with PrimaLuna Dialogue One integrated in this system. Too early for me to pick a favorite, esp because the new flavor is always the best, but for the price these Zu’s and the used Line Magnetic are definitely a cheap and cheerful system for me! I got my Zu’s in electric blue and my Line Magnetic is orange so I am enjoying the new colors in my living room as well as the new sound!
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I have no experience with Zu but have been using the Digital Amplifier Company Stereo Maraschino with my Charney Audio Maestro. Detail in spades, great tonal balance, imaging, sound stage, deep controlled bass, and exceptional mid-range. Well worth the try with a high eff speaker.
http://www.cherryamp.com/stereo-maraschino-stm
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?board=174
Well.... after reading through this thread again, I didn't even realize that I commented on it in Aug, 2018. :D
And after almost a year since my last post and another set of Dirty Weekends, this time with the clarity cap upgrade and 6-7 amps later. Just yesterday did I come to realize the full potential of these ZU DW's!
Digital Amplifier Company Stereo Maraschino. It's REAL! And the synergy with the Dirty Weekends is SPECTACULAR. Like I have said, I have gone through many amps over the past almost two years, since owning the Dirty Weekends and the STM is a game ending amp for my two channel system. The ZU's will sound good with any amp. That's the benefit of owning these speakers. Low power to high power. And everything in between. And believe me, I have powered them with all. But I remember Sean telling me a long time ago, even though 2 watts from a SET amp will sound sublime through the ZU's, if you really want to hear their true potential, feed them quality and clean good power! And that couldn't be more true. With this STM, my ZU's jumped to life! Like they were supercharged or on steroids. And it's just not dynamics an sheer impact. The minute details and resolution I am getting with this amp is stunning me. I was listening yesterday to songs I thought I knew well, and was like what was that? Remix? New instrument in the song I have never heard before? There were some passages in music that actually startled me. The micro dynamics and resolution is VERY impressive. IMO, there is a synergy with the STM and ZU's that is amazing. Oh, and the bass control and punch is........, WOW! I always thought the DW's had good bass, this takes it up to a completely different level. Just to let you know, I am using his DAC DAC HS1 as well, so I am sure that is contributing to a lot of what I am hearing. too. But this STM i sspecial, not another Class D chip board put in a nice looking display case. The only thing I am talking to Tommy about right now is bumping it up to the King 60v version, I am using the 48v version right now, which seems to be plenty but hey, even more power and headroom is welcome. :D
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Thanks for the update! Interesting. Have you installed any of the resistor add-ons that Zu offers? I have found a pretty big difference with tube amp synergy with two of the 25ohm resistors on each speaker. I have a feeling SS amps do a lot better with the impedance swings of the speaker than tube amps when those resistors are not in place to smooth the impedance curve.
If you’ve found this great synergy even after having tried the resistors, then that’s even more interesting to me!
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Congratulations on your new amp AvsFan. That little wonder will also light up your LRS like a match made in heaven! :thumb:
I’ve had my Maraschinos for two years now and there simply isn’t another amp/amps at any price, tube or SS that interests me. :D :D
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Well.... after reading through this thread again, I didn't even realize that I commented on it in Aug, 2018. :D
And after almost a year since my last post and another set of Dirty Weekends, this time with the clarity cap upgrade and 6-7 amps later. Just yesterday did I come to realize the full potential of these ZU DW's!
Digital Amplifier Company Stereo Maraschino. It's REAL! And the synergy with the Dirty Weekends is SPECTACULAR. Like I have said, I have gone through many amps over the past almost two years, since owning the Dirty Weekends and the STM is a game ending amp for my two channel system. The ZU's will sound good with any amp. That's the benefit of owning these speakers. Low power to high power. And everything in between. And believe me, I have powered them with all. But I remember Sean telling me a long time ago, even though 2 watts from a SET amp will sound sublime through the ZU's, if you really want to hear their true potential, feed them quality and clean good power! And that couldn't be more true. With this STM, my ZU's jumped to life! Like they were supercharged or on steroids. And it's just not dynamics an sheer impact. The minute details and resolution I am getting with this amp is stunning me. I was listening yesterday to songs I thought I knew well, and was like what was that? Remix? New instrument in the song I have never heard before? There were some passages in music that actually startled me. The micro dynamics and resolution is VERY impressive. IMO, there is a synergy with the STM and ZU's that is amazing. Oh, and the bass control and punch is........, WOW! I always thought the DW's had good bass, this takes it up to a completely different level. Just to let you know, I am using his DAC DAC HS1 as well, so I am sure that is contributing to a lot of what I am hearing. too. But this STM i sspecial, not another Class D chip board put in a nice looking display case. The only thing I am talking to Tommy about right now is bumping it up to the King 60v version, I am using the 48v version right now, which seems to be plenty but hey, even more power and headroom is welcome. :D
Thanks for the compliments! We added a link to your post on our main review thread:
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=127654.0
-Tommy O
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Thanks for the update! Interesting. Have you installed any of the resistor add-ons that Zu offers? I have found a pretty big difference with tube amp synergy with two of the 25ohm resistors on each speaker. I have a feeling SS amps do a lot better with the impedance swings of the speaker than tube amps when those resistors are not in place to smooth the impedance curve.
If you’ve found this great synergy even after having tried the resistors, then that’s even more interesting to me!
Are they placed in parallel with the speakers?
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Bumping an old thread because I’m new here. Anyone have recommendations for amplification to pair with the DW in the $1-1.5k range? I’m looking to upgrade from a 90’s Rotel receiver that I don’t have any particular issue with, I just know there has to be better out there. I’d like to be able to connect a sub as well. Thanks!
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Bumping an old thread because I’m new here. Anyone have recommendations for amplification to pair with the DW in the $1-1.5k range? I’m looking to upgrade from a 90’s Rotel receiver that I don’t have any particular issue with, I just know there has to be better out there. I’d like to be able to connect a sub as well. Thanks!
I've owned DW's going on three years now, they are a mainstay in my home and never going anywhere, I LOVE my DW's! They have been hooked up to MANY different amps and the higher quality and more power I feed them, the better they sound. Don't let anyone tell you that powering them with low wattage flea amps is the way to go, because it's not. Sean over at ZU, even suggests putting real power to them. So if anyone wants to argue about it, call up the owner of ZU and argue with him. :D
I am actually bringing them back into my two channel office system this weekend to do some comparisons. I have Digital Amplifier Companies monoblock Golden Cherries in here and have not tried them out with the Dirty Weekends yet. The DW's sounded spectacular with the DAC STM I had them paired with, the Golden Cherries are in a completely different league than the STM. But for $1000-$1500, that STM will light up your DW's!
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Thanks for uploading the photos. Nice looking setup!
To save space, most Cherry KING Desktop Maraschino owners place the amps on top of the power supplies, but they look cool next to the amps.
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I've owned DW's going on three years now, they are a mainstay in my home and never going anywhere, I LOVE my DW's! They have been hooked up to MANY different amps and the higher quality and more power I feed them, the better they sound. Don't let anyone tell you that powering them with low wattage flea amps is the way to go, because it's not. Sean over at ZU, even suggests putting real power to them. So if anyone wants to argue about it, call up the owner of ZU and argue with him. :D
I am actually bringing them back into my two channel office system this weekend to do some comparisons. I have Digital Amplifier Companies monoblock Golden Cherries in here and have not tried them out with the Dirty Weekends yet. The DW's sounded spectacular with the DAC STM I had them paired with, the Golden Cherries are in a completely different league than the STM. But for $1000-$1500, that STM will light up your DW's!
I purchased the Omen DWs and nearly returned them when I paired them with a 300 watt per channel amp. They sounded thin and without the body I expected. Then I purchased a Burson Audio Bang V6 Classic amp and at only 29 watts per channel into 8 ohms the Omens sound fantastic. They just need the right synergy I suppose.
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In regard to the Omen DW's.... don't overlook the snubbing resistors as a very inexpensive "tuning" option. In my case, I find them essential.
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I might also add that the Clarity cap upgrade takes the DW to another level as well. Another "add-on" I consider a must if you want to hear the true potential of the DW.....at least in my experience.
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Just to put my "2 cents" in, the Dirty Weekends and the Omen Mk II are two different, though similar looking, speakers. Even with the addition of the clarity caps in the DWs, they are not the same. I owned a pair of DWs w/ clarity caps for almost a year, then I upgraded to the new Omen MK IIs (with the new drivers) and the difference is immediately noticeable. That being said, so is the price, so there's that to consider. The DWs with all available upgrades are fantastic speakers for slightly over $1K, so I am not denigrating it at all. I loved mine.
To "meander" back to the actual topic of this thread, I had a Rotel RA-1570 that I ran through both the DWs and the Omens, but just couldn't find any love for that pairing. A Zu speaker owner suggested the Peachtree integrated amps and spoke very highly of that pairing. I picked up an old Peachtree Nova hybrid IA and it really was night and day. I've heard very good things about Rotel, but this pairing was just flat and lifeless.
When I get my "big boy pants" I'm either going with one of those Primaluna EVO IAs or a Schiit Freya+ with some sort of equivalent power amp. I've heard a number of good things about the Freya+. Cheers!
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Just to put my "2 cents" in, the Dirty Weekends and the Omen Mk II are two different, though similar looking, speakers. Even with the addition of the clarity caps in the DWs, they are not the same. I owned a pair of DWs w/ clarity caps for almost a year, then I upgraded to the new Omen MK IIs (with the new drivers) and the difference is immediately noticeable. That being said, so is the price, so there's that to consider. The DWs with all available upgrades are fantastic speakers for slightly over $1K, so I am not denigrating it at all. I loved mine.
To "meander" back to the actual topic of this thread, I had a Rotel RA-1570 that I ran through both the DWs and the Omens, but just couldn't find any love for that pairing. A Zu speaker owner suggested the Peachtree integrated amps and spoke very highly of that pairing. I picked up an old Peachtree Nova hybrid IA and it really was night and day. I've heard very good things about Rotel, but this pairing was just flat and lifeless.
When I get my "big boy pants" I'm either going with one of those Primaluna EVO IAs or a Schiit Freya+ with some sort of equivalent power amp. I've heard a number of good things about the Freya+. Cheers!
How ironic that I see the ZU Dirty Weekend thread after I post the thread on the Soul Supreme.
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My order for a pair of Dirty Weekends with Jupiter Cap upgrade should be here sometime in November.
Ferrari Red mirrored high gloss finish too! Am super excited!
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So I don't know whether to talk about it on this thread or start a new thread about it. But plain and simple. What amps have you ran with your Dirty Weekends, and what amps are you using at the present time and are you completely happy with them or are you wanting a little more?
1.Started with just a plain old Pioneer Elite AVR. Sounded good.
2. Moved on to a little TPA Chip amp, the Allo Volt +, that's where things got real. Even though it's as budget as it gets, high on quality! I still have that amp today.
3. Wanted more power, so got a NuForce STA-200. Got real again. Quality was there but man the jump up in power, the ZU's really responded. The Aloo Volt + actually had more intimacy and better tone but the STA-200 had power and handled bass better.
4. Cherry Amps STM. Now we're talking! The STM catapulted the Dirty Weekends performance and really showed me what they were capable of.
5. Why not, went to Cherries top of the line Golden Cherry monoblocks. End game! Period. Best amps I have ever owned by far! These things are both powerful and graceful. They sound just as good at low volumes as they do at high volumes. Very Non Class D sounding. Very analog and smooth. But man do they control the 10" driver on the ZU's and the ZU's crave that. These amps pound out deep, clean, accurate, articulate hard hitting, visceral bass. Mark my words, I know I go through gear like girlfriends, but these amps and Dirty Weekends are keepers. Get back to me one year from today and see if I still own both.
I am still very curious about the AVA SET 400 amp. Not to replace the Cherries, but to add to another system. If I do end up with the SET 400, you better believe I will give it a go with the Dirty Weekends.
Also, I have used some very high quality, low powered SET amps with my ZU's. And at moderate volumes with most music, they were magical but for sure bass was a lot looser and bloated. Although really great amps, not my choice for the ZU's. Seriously, feed them good clean, quality high power, and you will experience what the Dirty Weekends are all about.
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I’ve paired my Omen DW’s with a Benchmark AHB2 and a pair of Odyssey Stratos monoblocks (not at the same time!).
I’m probably spoiled, but I’m underwhelmed. Still looking for that magic combination. I’ve heard the Zu’s like tubes, so I may try that. I know that they can sound good, because I’ve heard it. I just haven’t made it happen in my own home.
They are pretty, though (electric blue)!!
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I’ve paired my Omen DW’s with a Benchmark AHB2 and a pair of Odyssey Stratos monoblocks (not at the same time!).
I’m probably spoiled, but I’m underwhelmed. Still looking for that magic combination. I’ve heard the Zu’s like tubes, so I may try that. I know that they can sound good, because I’ve heard it. I just haven’t made it happen in my own home.
They are pretty, though (electric blue)!!
Yeah, it's all about synergy, I kept trying until I got what I was looking for.
You have electric blue as well? That's a great finish!
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:thumb: Stunning. Absolutely gorgeous! I actually bought them because they matched the room they are in!
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:thumb: Stunning. Absolutely gorgeous! I actually bought them because they matched the room they are in!
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Very nice! I actually matched the room to the speakers. They are usually in my home theater room. But are in my two channel room for now until I get my new DW's.
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Gene, I’d strongly recommend some toe-in. Looks like you’re firing them straight forward. I have found with this style of speaker (10” eminence handling midrange - both Zu and Tekton Lore) that having them fire just a bit behind the listener’s head is best. So that you can see the inside side baffle of the cabinet just slightly from the seating position.
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Gene, I’d strongly recommend some toe-in. Looks like you’re firing them straight forward. I have found with this style of speaker (10” eminence handling midrange - both Zu and Tekton Lore) that having them fire just a bit behind the listener’s head is best. So that you can see the inside side baffle of the cabinet just slightly from the seating position.
I have mine toed in for sure.
And when you say "Behind the listeners head" what do you mean by that?
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I mean so that the point at which the direct paths of sound from each speaker converge (the point of the triangle between each speaker and listening position) is actually behind the listener’s head. In other words, the speakers are not pointing directly at the listener.
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I mean so that the point at which the direct paths of sound from each speaker converge (the point of the triangle between each speaker and listening position) is actually behind the listener’s head. In other words, the speakers are not pointing directly at the listener.
Gotcha. That makes sense and that's pretty much how mine are set up.
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Just to put my "2 cents" in, the Dirty Weekends and the Omen Mk II are two different, though similar looking, speakers. Even with the addition of the clarity caps in the DWs, they are not the same. I owned a pair of DWs w/ clarity caps for almost a year, then I upgraded to the new Omen MK IIs (with the new drivers) and the difference is immediately noticeable. That being said, so is the price, so there's that to consider. The DWs with all available upgrades are fantastic speakers for slightly over $1K, so I am not denigrating it at all. I loved mine.
To "meander" back to the actual topic of this thread, I had a Rotel RA-1570 that I ran through both the DWs and the Omens, but just couldn't find any love for that pairing. A Zu speaker owner suggested the Peachtree integrated amps and spoke very highly of that pairing. I picked up an old Peachtree Nova hybrid IA and it really was night and day. I've heard very good things about Rotel, but this pairing was just flat and lifeless.
When I get my "big boy pants" I'm either going with one of those Primaluna EVO IAs or a Schiit Freya+ with some sort of equivalent power amp. I've heard a number of good things about the Freya+. Cheers!
The current edition Dirty Weekends use the exact same drivers that are in the Omen MKII.
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New ZU's set to ship today!
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I found this set up offered improved bass. The longer feet ( carriage bolts ) in front with shorter feet in back also gave a tilt to the enclosure. With that back tilt the tweeters are aimed at one's ears.
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I found this set up offered improved bass. The longer feet ( carriage bolts ) in front with shorter feet in back also gave a tilt to the enclosure. With that back tilt the tweeters are aimed at one's ears.
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Thanks. Is that your current set up or an old one? I thought you're all about OB. :D
Where can those bolts be found?
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I'm all about audio.
Take your factory spikes with you so you can get the correct thread pattern at Home Depot.
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I'm all about audio.
Take your factory spikes with you so you can get the correct thread pattern at Home Depot.
And I can appreciate that. :D
Thanks.
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I'm all about audio.
Take your factory spikes with you so you can get the correct thread pattern at Home Depot.
Not to derail the ZU thread but in my 12x10 room. If I were able to get the front baffle of the speakers 30" off the back wall and 8" off the side walls, do you think an OB speaker would work well in my room?
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It will "work", but never be optimum in that small room. When you get an open baffle design (or Magnepan for that matter) in a room where you truly have some room to work with, you'll finally hear why many are smitten by these designs. I've run this experiment in house myself and can honestly say "been there, done that".
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It will "work", but never be optimum in that small room. When you get an open baffle design (or Magnepan for that matter) in a room where you truly have some room to work with, you'll finally hear why many are smitten by these designs. I've run this experiment in house myself and can honestly say "been there, done that".
Can you be more specific? Size and dimensions of your room, what OB speakers were used?
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It will "work", but never be optimum in that small room. When you get an open baffle design (or Magnepan for that matter) in a room where you truly have some room to work with, you'll finally hear why many are smitten by these designs. I've run this experiment in house myself and can honestly say "been there, done that".
And if you can save me the time, money and headaches of not going down that path, I mean I already tried it with the Maggie’s and they had to be way out into the room. I keep having people tell me it will be fine and so on but really question that.
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Mick has two systems - the "big rig" in a small bedroom, roughly the same size as your 10 x 12 room. And a secondary system in his larger living room. He has Spatial M4's and Zu DW's, which alternate in the larger room. And uses Ohm 1000's in the small room. The Spatials provide a very immediate and direct sound in the small room, but not the expansive soundstage of the larger room. Keep in mind that the M4's are not truly fullrange OB designs, but need subwoofers to go full range. Therefore, his M4 experience won't tell you much about bass loading of M3 Sapphires in such a small space.
(The above is a summary of his recent posts on your other threads, as well as posts he has made in the past, as well as confirmed by me - since Mick is local and we know each other well, and I have heard these systems on a number of occasions with the different speakers in question.)
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The room is slightly smaller than yours. ( 10x11) I've "crammed" many a speaker into that little room including the early Spatial M2 Turbo's. The list also includes Salk SongTowers, Zu Omen DW's and Klipsch Heresy 3's. These 4 are classic examples of speakers that eventually screamed "please get me into a bigger space". Now as I've said, I'm fortunate enough to have that bigger space (4x the room volume as the above mentioned room) as I have 2 system set-ups. Every one of the above mentioned speakers become a different animal when given room to breath. Night and day difference in fact.
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Mick has two systems - the "big rig" in a small bedroom, roughly the same size as your 10 x 12 room. And a secondary system in his larger living room. He has Spatial M4's and Zu DW's, which alternate in the larger room. And uses Ohm 1000's in the small room. The Spatials provide a very immediate and direct sound in the small room, but not the expansive soundstage of the larger room. Keep in mind that the M4's are not truly fullrange OB designs, but need subwoofers to go full range. Therefore, his M4 experience won't tell you much about bass loading of M3 Sapphires in such a small space.
(The above is a summary of his recent posts on your other threads, as well as posts he has made in the past, as well as confirmed by me - since Mick is local and we know each other well, and I have heard these systems on a number of occasions with the different speakers in question.)
I know the ZU's work in this small room so will stick with this original plan. And be in search for that perfect bookshelf speaker to compliment the ZU's and this small two channel room.
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The room is slightly smaller than yours. ( 10x11) I've "crammed" many a speaker into that little room including the early Spatial M2 Turbo's. The list also includes Salk SongTowers, Zu Omen DW's and Klipsch Heresy 3's. These 4 are classic examples of speakers that eventually screamed "please get me into a bigger space". Now as I've said, I'm fortunate enough to have that bigger space (4x the room volume as the above mentioned room) as I have 2 system set-ups. Every one of the above mentioned speakers become a different animal when given room to breath. Night and day difference in fact.
Of course. In a perfect world, we'd all have 25x25 rooms with plenty of space to work with and so on. But that's not the situation or the real world for a lot of people. But I have experienced the exact same thing as you, in my open floor plan downstairs in my living room, both the ZU's and Maggie's really sang and opened up. Which I am putting my current blue ZU's back down there. But my main two channel room is still this little 12x10 office and it's my get away. Where I can close the door and be left alone. So trying to make the most out of this space.
I actually really enjoy the DW's in this small room. It works out for me. But of course, give most speakers room to breathe and they will perform well. I should start a thread about speakers that excel in small listening rooms. That's the key. One speaker I know does, is the OHM, but......... the Q&C over there is severely lacking from what I have read lately and there is some real shoddy work going on there. So that's out of the equation.
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I used my DW's for a couple months in an 11 x 12 bedroom/office system and really liked it there as well. Soundstage depth wasn't there, but it was a highly engaging direct sound. Really fun, maybe more fun than my larger "big rig" room where they are now.
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I used my DW's for a couple months in an 11 x 12 bedroom/office system and really liked it there as well. Soundstage depth wasn't there, but it was a highly engaging direct sound. Really fun, maybe more fun than my larger "big rig" room where they are now.
You nailed it! Soundstage and depth are not where I want it to be with my ZUs either, at least not in this room. They aren't bad in that department but I have has some bookshelves that have done better, but man...... are they ever so much fun to listen to and just get down with the music to. Like you said, very engaging and fun. Throw on some Primus and just enjoy!
No other speaker has brought me that kind of musical enjoyment on that level.
Now I am in search of that "perfect audiophile" 3d holographic imaging and floating soundstage that will compliment the ZU's.
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So sad you can't try the small Ohms. That's exactly what they do.
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Of course. In a perfect world, we'd all have 25x25 rooms with plenty of space to work with and so on. But that's not the situation or the real world for a lot of people. But I have experienced the exact same thing as you, in my open floor plan downstairs in my living room, both the ZU's and Maggie's really sang and opened up. Which I am putting my current blue ZU's back down there. But my main two channel room is still this little 12x10 office and it's my get away. Where I can close the door and be left alone. So trying to make the most out of this space.
I actually really enjoy the DW's in this small room. It works out for me. But of course, give most speakers room to breathe and they will perform well. I should start a thread about speakers that excel in small listening rooms. That's the key. One speaker I know does, is the OHM, but......... the Q&C over there is severely lacking from what I have read lately and there is some real shoddy work going on there. So that's out of the equation.
I have no idea where you found the OHM QC issue, but I couldn't find a single complaint in a quick search. Check out the positive review on the PS Audio site for example. FWIW, I've had nothing but an excellent experience with their products and support. No, they don't have the fit and finish of a Harbeth, but it's more than adequate. It's their excellent voicing and presentation that will win many over anyway.
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I have no idea where you found the OHM QC issue, but I couldn't find a single complaint in a quick search. Check out the positive review on the PS Audio site for example. FWIW, I've had nothing but an excellent experience with their products and support. No, they don't have the fit and finish of a Harbeth, but it's more than adequate. It's their excellent voicing and presentation that will win many over anyway.
Ironic that you mention Harbeth, because that is the speaker I am looking into right now.
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I agree that you never read reviews of Ohm speakers complaining about their components or their sound...but you may from time to time see a comment that their cabinetry not being at the same level as Salk (for example).
There is a long thread over at Audiogon with 14,928,996 views...and lots of very positive things said about the sound.
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/ohm-walsh-micro-talls-who-s-actually-heard-em
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Funny Reading these threads. There clearly are flavors we all dig.
I have been jonesing to live with Omega, Spatial, Klipsch (The Big Ones), Harbeth & Ohm speakers. All of which seem to keep popping up in these threads.
I just want a big expansive open sound. It seems like massive horns (not little horns), open baffle & omni directional are the options. In a smaller room I would probably be pushed to try the Ohms because they can be pushed up against the wall. The aren't great fit for me at the moment because as I understand (from the Guttenberg review) they need some juice to open up. But one day as the kids get older I am definitely going to try them.
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An expansive and open soundstage is much easier to achieve in a big room with wide dispersion speakers. I very much attribute it to the RAAL tweeters in my Salks...but the right electronics are also very, very important. With the Ohms needing some power to get them to sing, I would definitely put one of the Cherry amps at the top of the list to pair with the Ohms.