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Industry Circles => GR Research => Topic started by: Andre2 on 6 Dec 2011, 03:52 am
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My extra tall N3 arrived today, completing my system!
:D Well, they look fantastic and sound really great. :thumb:
Unpacking with my friend
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=54624)
Right speaker: chair required extra tall N3 so lower woofer edge
would be a bit above it, this was kindly done by Ruben.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=54625)
Left speaker detail - awesome finish! :D
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=54627)
Speakers view from the listening chair
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=54631)
Listening chair in my decor conscious office :lol:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=54628)
My $5K system: Eastern Electric M88 Integrated & Minimax DAC plus,
Pioneer CDP, Pure i-20 dock, Solid Steel Rack (... actually $6K, 20% over
my initial budget is not that bad 8) :lol:)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=54629)
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Man those look Great and it looks like Christmas is getting Merry a little early :green: R.K.
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What I'd do for an office system like that! Looks great and I'll bet it sounds great too. Congrats.
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Thanks. I called my home office system, which is really my only hi-fi system.
I was thinking that I am actually not done yet with this system as my speaker wires are old 16 gauge that I had bought from tweeter in 2003. Can anybody please (Danny?) answer if other wire$ can make a difference (for better, of course) in the sound quality?
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Wiring choices can make a pretty substantial difference for sure. It depends on how long the runs are, on the quality of the upstream components, and your budget as to what I'd recommend.
I really like the Electra Cable speaker wires as a personally favorite but that might not be best for your application.
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Thanks for your reply Danny. I will trust your expert advise, and will try to have a budget for this next year.
For those interested, here is a video of my homeoffice system captured using an iPhone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=Bf7Lhttl4yk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=Bf7Lhttl4yk)
Playing music from In the Court of the Crimson King
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Hearing differences in cables is what got me into this hobby around 15 years ago. My favorite is Kimber Kable 4TC as well as the less expensive 4VS. Both easily sound better than your typical parallel zip cord types. Or to put it more accurately do less damage to the signal than the common stuff. I'm sure there's other good ones out there but the Kimbers have worked for me in numerous systems, with tube and solid state amps, and with a wide variety of speakers.
If I can give any advice it's to listen for yourself and be wary of the great debate. Many of the better cable makers provide a money back guarantee. Check you local dealers to see if they can loan you a pair to try. And keep an open mind. :thumb:
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After a couple of days listening to the music I like on this system, I am so happy with the sound I got. I can hear details that I could never make up before with my cheap $220 a pair old Boston acoustic speakers that I had. Boy, it took me a long time to be able to afford all this, but I am really glad I set up a budget and saved the money.
Now I think that the audiophile bug really bit me, cuz I keep thinking what i need to do to further improve the sound... such as
- good quality speaker cables: yes for sure :D
- wall treatment: na, will ruin my decor :nono:
- Bryston digital player: more $$$ out of my bank account :scratch:
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Many fashionable ways to treat a room...do that first.
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I too recommend a little room treatment. ATS Acoustics makes some really nice and inexpensive panels that work very well.
At the very least, treating the first reflection points will help open up the soundstage and improve overall resolution. Vocals will be clearer and easier to understand.
...it never ends. :wink:
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Check out the GIK ArtPanel™ from GIK Acoustics.
http://www.gikacoustics.com/gik_artpanel.html
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Hey Andre,
Just found these closeups of your speakers on my camera. Forgot I even took them! :scratch: They aren't the best shots, but they show your finish a little better than the phone shots. :D
Best,
Ruben
(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z387/Outofthewoods/AndresFinishClose-up1.jpg)
(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z387/Outofthewoods/Andresfinishclose-up2.jpg)
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The finish is truly awesome, Ruben! :thumb:
Everybody that comes by my office/music room is really impressed. :thumb:
I need to do some acoustic treatment now, cuz the room is kind of small at 13ft by 9ft 6in and is wood veneer all around and it is kind of taking away from the good drivers that I know I have. But, need to save the money first...
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Finally I added some acoustic treatment in my home-office/listening -room.
DIY 2ft by 4ft panels - 3.5 inch Roxul safe & Sound, 1/2 inch plywood on the back, with Hobby Lobby fabric staple on the back. A total of 8 panels in the listening room, as follows:
Behind each speaker 2 ft by 4 ft panels:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=64134)
Opposite to speakers: two panels behind listening chair, two panels at each corner, and one panel at first reflection point to the right of the listening chair:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=64135)
One more panel above bookcase on first reflection point (kind of high, i know) to the left of the the listening chair:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=64136)
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With these panels, I can clearly note more separation of the instruments, better overall sound clarity and definition. Much more enjoyable listening experience.
Thanks for the advice given to me by those fellows above in this thread.
Cheers. :D
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Congrats on making a good thing even better! I'd try to find a way to work the panels into the decor a little better, personally...
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Ruben,
I didn't know you offered a mirror finish :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hey Andre,
Just found these closeups of your speakers on my camera. Forgot I even took them! :scratch: They aren't the best shots, but they show your finish a little better than the phone shots. :D
Best,
Ruben
(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z387/Outofthewoods/AndresFinishClose-up1.jpg)
(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z387/Outofthewoods/Andresfinishclose-up2.jpg)
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I moved my system to the living room for the first time, because I wanted to see if I could hear any sound improvement on a bigger room which is 22-ft long, 15-ft wide.
Yes, it does sound better than in my small office. I believe that i got most improvement in the lower frequencies; the bass, somehow, appears much 'stronger' and better 'defined'; but overall sound is better... I am listening to the Legacy Music Sampler Vol 1m "Stop Running Round' the music sounds really better and the speakers are really more impressive here.
system view from listening chair - mac streaming iTunes/audirvana, eastern electric dac plus, ee m88 integrated tube amplifier
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70009)
room view from behind speaker
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70010)
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well, I recorded with an iPhone5 and posted on youtube a one-minute video with the music noted above, for whatever it is worth, here is the link:
Stop Running Round music sampler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6aN74-EJhc&feature=g-upl)
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Andre2, are your N3s built as TLs with the port in the back? I was interested if the acoustic treatment behind your speaker made a difference in your office . I understand that these speakers need to be 3 Ft away from the wall for best bass results. Thanks, Paul
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Andre2, are your N3s built as TLs with the port in the back? I was interested if the acoustic treatment behind your speaker made a difference in your office . I understand that these speakers need to be 3 Ft away from the wall for best bass results. Thanks, Paul
You can put the port in the front of the speaker so they can be placed close to the wall. There's a link to a build in your other post.
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The port is on the back. The acoustic panels that I have done improved slightly the overall sound in the office. The greatest improvement was bringing the system to the living room.
But, I really enjoy the system in the 12-ft by 10ft wood veneered office at low levels.
I am really happy with what I have relative to the value I spent.
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Those look great!!
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Hi Ruben and Danny and all Audio Circle members! :D
okay, if I can just add something to this thread describing my system.
Well, it is my own thread, so I guess I can.
I am really a newbie at hifi systems in general.
So, I bought the tube integrated EE M88 in August 2011, and I had been listening to it since then, first using some old Boston acoustic speakers. The improvement was fantastic when retired a solid state Yamaha amplifier with the EE M88. I took delivery of the extra tall N3s December 2011. And the improvement was great, but not as dramatic as from the Yamaha to the M88. But, as I listened in my office 12ft by 10ft wood venner all around, I never was able to crank the volume past half on the M88.
As I moved the system to the living room, I realized that I was listening to distorted sound right after the half way volume level. So I checked the bias, and I had one bad tube, the dial was not even moving. Since then, I bought a new Gold Lion KT88 quad. I have been cranking this for one week.
And, let me tell you, I really don't know since when that tube went bad on me (I had never checked the bias since I had bought the M88 :green:), but right now I realize how good these speakers are, and I am much happier with its quality, both in the low level details that I can now hear, as well as how loud my system can go without distortion with my new cryo Gold Lion tubes. :D Oh, yeah, I also bought new speaker cables, Blue Jeans, I tried A/B earlier tonight with my zipper monster cables, and if there are any differences they are very very subtle.
PS.: We love you Guy 13... :thumb: